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Trump Turns White House Into Car Lot
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| I'm going to buy because it's a great product, as good as it gets. | |
| The president went out on the south wall of the White House and turned the White House into a car dealership so he could help his top donor sell cars. | |
| This is Trump derangement syndrome all over again. | |
| Ceasefire, Ukraine. | |
| Hopefully, we'll be able to wipe out a deal. | |
| If we can't, we just keep going on and people are going to get killed. | |
| This is not the time to be litigating past histories about Putin, whether you're right or not. | |
| It was a joke. | |
| You know it was a joke. | |
| The entire world watched that in shock. | |
| My all-time favorite member of Congress, Dan Crenshaw, always thought he was a freak and a warmonger. | |
| Really? | |
| Weirdo, yeah. | |
| You know, Tucker's a silver spoon-fed, trust-fund baby. | |
| Well, I like Tucker. | |
| I'm still like a baby trans. | |
| You know, I've only three years in. | |
| Once you've gone in on crazy, you might as well go all the way. | |
| Well, like it or not, this is President Trump's world and we're all just living in it. | |
| In the past 24 hours alone, Trump's boomerang tariff threats have rattle markets and spark fresh warnings about a trade war and even a recession. | |
| His threats to annex America's northern neighbor have rattled Canadians. | |
| His maverick stance on Ukraine's war has prompted President Zelensky to agree to an immediate 30-day ceasefire, putting them all firmly back into Putin's court. | |
| The president even found time to turn the White House lawn into a car lot for Elon Musk Tesla, whose business has taken a pounding over his cost-cutting mission for the federal government. | |
| Anti-Musk protesters have been vandalizing Teslas and leading calls for a boycott. | |
| Trump says he's not buying it. | |
| Quite the opposite, in fact. | |
| We're going to buy or lease today. | |
| Well, I'm going to buy. | |
| And I'm going to buy because, number one, it's a great product, as good as it gets. | |
| And number two, because this man has devoted his energy and his life to doing this. | |
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Accusing Trump Of Corruption Without Proof
00:07:03
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| I think he's been treated very unfairly by a very small group of people. | |
| And I just want people to know that you can't be penalized for being a patriot. | |
| Well, many people are upset about this, of course. | |
| Cable news is repeatedly showing an apparent gotcha photo of the president's script revealing a Tesla price list and finance deals to buy one for $299 a month. | |
| It's worth pointing out that millions of people now know you can buy a Tesla for $299 a month, which might have been, of course, the whole point. | |
| Well, critics say the Trump wrecking ball is sowing chaos and hardship. | |
| Supporters say he's striking deals, selling wheels, and most importantly of all, delivering on his promises for peace. | |
| What joined me to debate? | |
| Well, those are two men with very different opinions on the president's way of doing business. | |
| The CEO of Zatayo, Mehdi Hassan, and Republican congressman for Texas, Dan Crenshaw. | |
| Well, welcome to both of you. | |
| I've been looking forward to you two locking horns in a Piers Morgan uncensored debate. | |
| So thank you for both agreeing to this. | |
| Middy, I mean, you've had 50 days of Donald Trump's presidency. | |
| How are you coping? | |
| How's your spleen? | |
| I don't know. | |
| I haven't checked my spleen. | |
| It's not great. | |
| I think those of us who warned that Trump would be chaotic, Trump would be corrupt, Trump would be autocratic. | |
| I think even those of us who warned that for much of last year have been surprised by just how corrupt, chaotic, and autocratic he's been. | |
| I don't know if we're going to talk about what happened in New York on Sunday. | |
| That was pretty shocking with the detention and disappearance of a lawful permanent resident. | |
| And we will look at the attacks on the press that you and I have discussed. | |
| You and I have discussed before, the attacks on the press. | |
| This show is called Peers Uncensored. | |
| He's launched an open war on the media on free speech. | |
| And of course, the economy now. | |
| Again, I didn't predict that two months in, Trump himself would be refusing to rule out a recession. | |
| I knew he would harm the economy. | |
| But even Trump himself can't rule out a recession. | |
| So on multiple fronts, the economy, democracy, free press, it's pretty bad. | |
| Dan, your response to that? | |
| Well, if you're going to accuse somebody of corruption, you might want to give a little bit more detail. | |
| Or a war on free speech. | |
| I mean, what does that mean? | |
| You know, these are just these are just words that actually do have legal meaning, but you don't have any legal arguments. | |
| So I don't know what you mean by corruption. | |
| There's really no evidence of that. | |
| Warrant free speech, there's just no evidence of that. | |
| There was evidence of it from the last administration, that's for sure. | |
| So look, this is Trump derangement syndrome all over again. | |
| Now, if we didn't have four years to look at, where the Trump economy actually did quite well, Trump tax cuts proved to be a boom to the economy. | |
| And even after a pandemic, Trump's policies were getting the economy right back on track so that when Biden took over, he was enjoying GDP growth as opposed to decline, despite Democrats all over the country trying to shut down the economy and leftists all over the world trying to shut down the economies. | |
| So it's definitely overstated the extent of these catastrophes by far. | |
| If you can say one thing about Donald Trump, he's going to make good on his campaign promises. | |
| So there should be no surprises here about how he thinks some trade practices are unfair. | |
| He uses tariffs as a negotiation tool to get better deals for the United States, whether that's trade deals or whether that's things he wants other countries to do, like Mexico, for instance, getting the border and going after cartels, which they are doing. | |
| These things are working. | |
| So I think a lot of the sky's falling rhetoric is pretty unnecessary. | |
| Yeah, I mean, many, I'm surprised at your surprise that Donald Trump is being Donald Trump, or that, as Dan just said, he's largely delivering on exactly what he told the American people he wanted to do. | |
| And he won the election very convincingly. | |
| So when you say he's being corrupt, what is the actual evidence of corruption? | |
| So let me deal with a few things there because Dan brought up a few things. | |
| And it's funny that Dan's saying words like corrupt have legal meaning. | |
| Of course, they also have a meaning that everyone understands. | |
| And he knows this because he and his party accused Joe Biden of corruption for years. | |
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | |
| You had a long answer. | |
| No, I do mean corrupt. | |
| No, you don't. | |
| No, you don't. | |
| Because you and your party, you and your party, you and your party accused Joe Biden of many crimes, which you couldn't find any evidence of. | |
| You accuse all sorts of, you accused all sorts of things about Hunter Biden and corruption, which pale into insignificance with what the Trump family has been doing on the DOJ. | |
| Piers just showed you, Piers just showed an intro. | |
| I can give you a convicted criminal saying in the president if you're going to start suddenly. | |
| It's easy to do. | |
| Oh, now we like the DOJ. | |
| Well, no, it's surely the point. | |
| Hang on. | |
| If I can just say, hold on. | |
| If I can just say, hang on, hang on one second. | |
| The DOJ also brought the DOJ to Trump. | |
| I would ask you to do that. | |
| DOJ also multiple times. | |
| Can I just ask, if you talk over each other, nobody can hear what either of you says, just to replace it. | |
| Well, I didn't interrupt Dan. | |
| No, I didn't want to say this. | |
| He interrupted me three times in my first sentence. | |
| Okay, look, just allow each other to respond to me. | |
| Because you acknowledge, because you pointed at me. | |
| All you asked were a quite, you were asked a simple question. | |
| What are the legal charges of corruption against Donald Trump? | |
| Go. | |
| I didn't say anything about legal charges. | |
| The person who has legal charges. | |
| Well, there are many legal charges against Donald Trump. | |
| He's using the DOJ to make them go away, as you know, in a corrupt fashion. | |
| Piers showed us a clip at the top of the show. | |
| I don't think an American president has ever done what Donald Trump did yesterday. | |
| His top donor gave him hundreds of millions of dollars during the election. | |
| The New York Times is reporting that he just gave another $100 million to Trump political operations. | |
| And the president went out on the south lawn of the White House and turned the White House into a car dealership so he could help his top donor sell cars. | |
| I mean, that is astonishing on multiple levels. | |
| I've criticized Republican presidents in the past. | |
| I can't think of a single Republican president who's done something that so corrupt and pathetic on Musk's behalf, by the way, but corrupt on Trump's behalf to do that for a donor, to sell cars on the White House lawn, to put out tweets saying, I'm buying a Tesla. | |
| Yeah, for your top donor, if Joe Biden had done it, you would be screaming from the rooftops, as with your party. | |
| You'd be filing articles of impeachment. | |
| So give us a rest on the kind of patronizing stuff about exact language. | |
| Corruption is the core of this Trump White House. | |
| Look at the crypto money. | |
| The guy is running people who are just pardoned. | |
| The guy just pardoned a crypto guy who the DOJ was investigating who's put money into the Trump family crypto scheme. | |
| We could go down the list of all the various corrupt things he's done. | |
| On free speech, by the way, he's called for multiple journalists to be fired. | |
| Presidents shouldn't be calling for columnists. | |
| Do you support him calling for Eugene Robinson to be fired? | |
| Do you support him calling for MSNBC to lose its licenses because he doesn't like it? | |
| I mean, this is absurd. | |
| No president has gone around and attacked journalists in the way that Donald Trump and Elon Musk have attacked journalists. | |
| Well, actually, actually, the biggest guy in your life. | |
| Well, actually, before I go to Dan, before I go to Dan, hang on, Meddy, don't just keep talking. | |
| Before I go to Dan, actually, the president. | |
| I'm going to finish my point. | |
| Elon Musk called, Elon Musk called for CBS journalists to be locked up in prison. | |
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Locking Journalists And Free Speech Rights
00:02:26
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| Does Dan Crenshall support the locking up of my fellow journalists? | |
| All right, I'm going to come to Dan. | |
| I'll come to Dan now. | |
| I don't even remember that, but political red. | |
| First of all, he did say it. | |
| Whether you remember or not is irrelevant. | |
| He said it, Dan. | |
| Oh, I don't remember it. | |
| That's going to be your defense. | |
| He said it. | |
| Well, he's the head of your government. | |
| He's the top guy. | |
| He's a person who has the same rights to free speech as you do. | |
| Okay. | |
| Do you support him calling for the locking up of journalists? | |
| I said there's a war on free speech. | |
| You said there wasn't. | |
| I cited a guy in your government who's called for the locking up of journalists. | |
| You wanted to receive. | |
| I asked you for what you mean by corruption. | |
| You gave no legal arguments. | |
| So for you, corruption just means exactly what every president does, right? | |
| Which is supporting theirs. | |
| I'll give you an argument right now. | |
| I think, yes, I would like a Department of Justice that stopped pardoning people who have given money to Donald Trump and his family. | |
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Musk's Doge Cuts Government Waste Fast
00:11:54
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| I think that's corrupt. | |
| Would you like to stop Joe Biden also preemptively pardoning so many people doing half his own family? | |
| I'm not sure if I can inquire. | |
| This idea it's only Trump that would do that. | |
| Dan Crenshaw's Dan Crenshaw's here to defend Donald Trump. | |
| You know, Piers, that I have many criticisms of Joe Biden, and one of them is, yes, his family and Hunter Biden. | |
| But what Joe Biden did pales into insignificance with what Trump has done in two months. | |
| I mean, let me ask Dan. | |
| Let me ask Dan, Dan, on the week roll. | |
| Elon Musk is an unvetted head of a government department. | |
| Okay, let me ask Dan. | |
| Dan, when you saw the scenes on the White House lawn there, did you feel entirely comfortable for the reasons that Mehdi said that you've got someone who donated hundreds of billions of dollars, obviously, to Trump? | |
| He pretty much helped get him elected. | |
| He's now in there as an unelected guy with enormous power, it seems, over this Doge thing that he's doing, popular with some, unpopular with others. | |
| But turning it in, as he said, to a Tesla sale room, did you feel comfortable that the White House is being used like that? | |
| I don't feel comfortable with it. | |
| I don't feel uncomfortable with it. | |
| Look, first of all, let's say something. | |
| Every single person in the administration is unelected, and they have a great deal of power. | |
| The only person who's elected is President Trump. | |
| So everyone works for President Trump. | |
| I think there's a really strange sort of villainization of Elon Musk. | |
| Oh, he has too much power. | |
| He has whatever power the president decides to give him. | |
| First of all, let's say that. | |
| Also, there's a long history and precedent for presidents bringing in their supporters to the White House. | |
| Joe Biden gives out medals of freedom or whatever those things are called to various celebrities who have helped him, to various big donors like the Soros family who have helped him. | |
| How is this, is this any different? | |
| Now, you could argue you don't like it or do like it, but there's a ton of precedent for it. | |
| Every ambassador to say, let's talk about the ambassador in the United Kingdom. | |
| It is every single time. | |
| It is not somebody who's been at the State Department for a long time. | |
| It is always somebody of the president's choosing. | |
| That's who it is. | |
| It is usually someone who is friendly with the president. | |
| Does that make it corrupt? | |
| I don't know. | |
| It's not legally corrupt, but that is what happens. | |
| It's normal for every president. | |
| And you're just making it. | |
| You, for some reason, see it through a different lens when Trump does the exact same things that Biden would do. | |
| Mehdi, let me ask you, Elon Musk. | |
| I'm listening about Biden having people at the White House. | |
| Hold up, can I respond? | |
| Yeah, but Medi, I'm going to ask you to respond. | |
| But Medi, intrinsically, Medi, do you have a problem with Elon Musk and the Doge campaign to eradicate federal government waste, superfluous spending? | |
| Do you have a problem intrinsically with the concept of what they're doing? | |
| So this keeps happening now. | |
| Dan says something and then you add something, so I can't deal with multiple things. | |
| I'm going to deal with Dan first. | |
| Dan says that this is all normal and we have precedent for it. | |
| Dan's being disingenuous. | |
| Elon Musk is running a government department. | |
| He is not vetted. | |
| He has not gone through Senate confirmation hearings like cabinet officials and ambassadors. | |
| George Soros has never led any kind of government department. | |
| If he did, Republican heads would explode. | |
| He's never run anything in government, nor is Alexander Soros. | |
| Musk is literally standing next to the president. | |
| He is telling cabinet secretaries what to do. | |
| He's attending cabinet meetings. | |
| They're going to court. | |
| Dan's not telling you this, but there's literal court cases going on right now to determine the status of Elon Musk and Doge. | |
| And by the way, government lawyers are telling the judges he's not the head of Doge. | |
| Donald Trump stood in front of Congress and said he is the head of Doge. | |
| Maybe Dan can tell us today if Elon Musk, who hasn't been vetted by Congress, is the head of Doge. | |
| What's so sad to see is members of Congress like Dan just completely abdicating their responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government and deferring to both Donald Trump and Elon Musk. | |
| That's kind of embarrassing to see. | |
| And I haven't finished my point. | |
| I didn't interrupt you. | |
| So when I finish, you can come back in. | |
| I know it's two against one, so let me deal with Piers now. | |
| It's the Doge itself. | |
| Yes, I have a problem. | |
| Well, we are both throwing stuff at me at the same time. | |
| So let me deal with them. | |
| Yeah, pull me. | |
| It's fine. | |
| I'm used to it. | |
| Piers is asking me about Doge. | |
| Let me deal with Doge. | |
| Doge is a joke of an outfit, right? | |
| Do we all want to scare rid of waste in government? | |
| Of course I do. | |
| I did a long monologue on my show about why we should deal with the Pentagon, which fails an audit every year and wastes billions and trillions of dollars, right? | |
| I want to deal with corporate welfare. | |
| I want to deal with people who have conned the government. | |
| Of course we do. | |
| But that is not what Doge is doing, right? | |
| Doge is a joke, chaotic outfit. | |
| It claims to have found fraud, Piers, not just waste, fraud. | |
| And yet, Dan gave me a lecture on precise terms. | |
| Fraud? | |
| Has anyone been charged with fraud? | |
| That's a crime. | |
| Elon Musk has found no fraud. | |
| Because if he had found fraud, people would be arrested or charged by the DOJ right now. | |
| We've seen no evidence of fraud. | |
| So that's been a lie from Musk. | |
| As for waste, you know this, Piers. | |
| You've talked about it on the show. | |
| $8 billion they claim to have found. | |
| It was $8 million. | |
| They said they found a quarter of a billion dollars of waste at the Social Security Administration. | |
| It was half a million dollars. | |
| They triple counted a $665 million contract. | |
| The Wall Street Journal, that lefty bastion, has found so many mistakes and exaggerations in what they found. | |
| They've been absolutely harming the U.S. government. | |
| They got rid of people who were looking after nuclear weapons and then tried to hire them back. | |
| They got rid of people who are trying to fight Ebola and then tried to hire them back. | |
| They got rid of people who are trying to fight bird flu and then tried to hire them back. | |
| They fired veterans at the Departments of Veterans Affairs who were manning the crisis line for veterans. | |
| Dan is a veteran, served the country, should be outraged. | |
| And then they tried to hire them back too. | |
| The whole thing is a disaster and a joke. | |
| Okay, Dan. | |
| I want to say one thing about having automakers at the White House. | |
| You know, in August of 2021, Joe Biden had a bunch of automakers celebrating electric vehicles at the White House. | |
| He left out one in particular because he's not a political ally. | |
| He left out Tesla, one of the biggest makers of EVs. | |
| So again, this stuff happens. | |
| As far as what Doge's role is, and then I want to get into what Congress's role is here. | |
| So the president has been very clear. | |
| Cabinet secretaries are the ones who actually fire. | |
| Doge makes recommendations. | |
| That's how they have it set up. | |
| I realize that all of this is new, but it was what he ran on. | |
| It was what the American people wanted. | |
| We are asking questions too, right? | |
| We also want to figure it out. | |
| The courts are another co-equal branch of government that will have their complaints about it. | |
| Let's let this process play out and let us all agree on the fact that there is a huge amount of waste and bloat in a lot of our bureaucracies. | |
| We talk about firing a couple thousand VA employees. | |
| To put that in the context, there's about 480,000 VA employees. | |
| 400,000, like there's a lot. | |
| Okay, so we're talking about the- They're about to fire another 80,000. | |
| They're about to fire another 80,000 employees. | |
| We'll see. | |
| And we'll see. | |
| Look, I've used the VA in multiple cities. | |
| There is a lot of bloat. | |
| There's a lot of people who would probably, there's a lot of people who work at the VA who would be happy to see half their co-workers fired because they know they don't do anything. | |
| I've heard that from VA employees. | |
| This isn't that crazy of an idea. | |
| The sky is not falling. | |
| And then again, the secretaries still have the power. | |
| President Trump made that very clear just last week. | |
| So we can all take a step back, realize that this is what he ran on. | |
| This is what the American people wanted. | |
| This notion of Doge and government efficiency is indeed still popular with the American people. | |
| There are going to be problems associated with going this fast. | |
| And you're going to have to fix those problems. | |
| That's okay. | |
| Can I respond? | |
| Well, quickly, because I return to other subjects. | |
| But quickly, yeah. | |
| Just okay. | |
| Okay, so on Doge, very quickly then, on the Doge issues. | |
| I've heard Dan say this before that Elon Musk is not firing people. | |
| Cabinet secretaries are. | |
| Well, that's news to cabinet secretaries because Sean Duffy at a recent cabinet blow-up called out Musk for trying to get rid of his air traffic controllers and they had a row about it. | |
| So the transport secretary thinks Elon Musk is coming after his vital staff. | |
| Well, they're the ones who are feeling pressure from Musk. | |
| Everyone's having to bow the knee to Musk. | |
| It's funny, I wrote down this headline from CNN from last week. | |
| Republicans push Musk to let Congress vote on Doge cuts. | |
| It's embarrassing to see Dan's party having to go cap in hand. | |
| Please, Mr. Billionaire, who's not elected to anything, please let us vote on your agenda. | |
| And as for the Doge, the poll out today, as for the poll, hold on, you had your piece. | |
| Let me on, since Piers is rushing me on. | |
| The poll out today from CNN shows that Doge Musk is super unpopular. | |
| He's more unpopular than Trump. | |
| He's more unpopular than Vance. | |
| This is not a popular agenda. | |
| And this is not what people voted for. | |
| People did not vote for the annexation of Canada. | |
| He didn't mention Canada on the election campaign trail. | |
| And they did not vote for cuts to Social Security and Medicare, which Musk on Fox Business said this week. | |
| That's the next big thing to eliminate. | |
| We're going to cut 600, 700 billion from Medicare and Social Security. | |
| No one voted for that. | |
| It'll be a disaster for the Republicans if they let Musk do that. | |
| I mean, the thing I would say, Dan, that would be slightly concerning me if I'm Donald Trump, is that the poll approval numbers for what's going on with Doge are falling quite quickly and significantly. | |
| And, you know, Trump, he loves his polls. | |
| His own approval is taking a hit as well. | |
| At some stage, if those numbers continue to be unpopular president for 17 years. | |
| Well, if those numbers continue to fall, then Trump at some stage is going to stop it, isn't he? | |
| Yeah, he very well might. | |
| And this is the only point I wanted to jump in and make about Congress's role in this as you as you berate me as if I'm the Doge spokesperson or Trump spokesperson. | |
| I don't have all the details. | |
| I'm a member of Congress. | |
| Quick civics lesson. | |
| Co-equal branch of government. | |
| We make laws. | |
| We write laws. | |
| We send them to the president's desk for him to sign and then implement those laws. | |
| There is only one person who is in charge of the executive branch, and that is the president. | |
| You know what Doge doesn't do? | |
| You know what they can't do? | |
| They can't look at my employees. | |
| They can't look at anybody in the legislative branch's employees, and they're not, because they can't. | |
| They can look at government departments that Congress created. | |
| Are you okay with that? | |
| Are you okay with that, Congressman? | |
| They want to shut, for example, Trump doesn't want to shut down the Department of Education. | |
| That's Congress. | |
| Well, they want to shut down the Department of Education. | |
| They're winding it down. | |
| Right. | |
| Well, they can change a lot within the Department of Education. | |
| You know, legally, can they shut it down? | |
| That's been tried before. | |
| It doesn't work. | |
| Everybody can calm down. | |
| And if we want to talk about the Department of Education, like, what is the Department of Education? | |
| It has about 6,000 or 4,000 employees. | |
| It's really just a pass-through for grants and student loans. | |
| You know, one of the reasons conservatives talk about the Department of Education and wanting to shut it down over time is because it really has nothing to do with education. | |
| It's just a pass-through for grants and loans. | |
| But the point it was created by the Congress. | |
| As was USAID. | |
| Well, Musk proudly said that he was going to be able to shut down Chipper. | |
| That was a congressional. | |
| That's inaccurate. | |
| Oh, come on. | |
| Musk himself said I fed it into a widget. | |
| Let me, I will have to do it. | |
| They canceled aid overnight. | |
| By the way, when you say the sky is, when you say the sky is not happening, children are dying now from polio and malnutrition and malaria because USAID cut off aid overnight. | |
| No one voted for that. | |
| And when you tell me the sky's not falling in, that is actually not true. | |
| Kids are living from the suffering as we speak in Uganda and Ukraine and Sudan. | |
| Let me explain. | |
| I don't know what you're talking about when you say the sky's not falling in. | |
| It's the height of cruelty what your administration and your party has done to children in war zones and conflict zones across the world. | |
| What was done to USIAD was disgusting. | |
| Okay. | |
| So first of all, when Congress authorizes USAID and appropriates for it, there is a top line appropriation. | |
| It is always up to the administration to designate programs within that. | |
| We do not write in the whatever program for whatever X country. | |
| We do not write that into the legislation or appropriation. | |
| And when you go through some of these programs that the Biden administration had, you know, $70,000 for some transgender opera in Colombia, there is room for some skepticism about what USAID is doing. | |
| Like it's a silly example. | |
| How about the government? | |
| It's an example. | |
| Trump and Musk lied about it. | |
| It's apologized for that lie. | |
| How about the Gaza Conduct? | |
| Some of these lied about Gaza Condom. | |
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Putin Invaded Ukraine Twice Under Both
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| Trump has not apologized. | |
| How many civics lessons do you need? | |
| He's your president. | |
| I'm not part of the administration. | |
| Let's try, Dan. | |
| You're part of the Republican. | |
| I want to change the administration. | |
| Let me change through line by line. | |
| Don't talk over each other. | |
| They haven't gotten anything. | |
| Let me change topic. | |
| Let me change topic. | |
| You're not. | |
| I want to change topic for a Republican Congressman. | |
| I want to change topic to Ukraine. | |
| Let's just play a clip here and then discuss this afterwards about Ukraine. | |
| Ceasefire. | |
| Ukraine. | |
| Ceasefire. | |
| Just agreed to a little while ago. | |
| Now we have to go to Russia and hopefully President Putin will agree to that also, and we can get this show on the road. | |
| I think it's a big difference between the last visit you saw at the Oval Office and the SOAP. | |
| That's a total ceasefire. | |
| Ukraine has agreed to it, and hopefully Russia will agree to it. | |
| We're going to meet with them later on today and tomorrow, and hopefully we'll be able to wipe out a deal. | |
| If we can't, we just keep going on and people are going to get killed. | |
| So many, here's another example I would say of where the Trump hysteria doesn't really help anything. | |
| Because after the Oval Office bust-up, which for about 45 minutes was perfectly reasonable discussion in front of the media, then it all kicked off, and that was unfortunate. | |
| It should have happened behind the scenes. | |
| But in the general scheme of trying to bring a war to an end, I didn't get as upset about it as everybody seemed to. | |
| And I said and predicted then, I think you'll find that Zelensky's back of the White House pretty quickly, and that this is all part of Trump's plan to try and force a peace deal, which it clearly seems to be. | |
| The onus is now on Russia. | |
| But do you accept that what we saw in the Oval Office and all the reaction that came out of it, you know, this is terrible, it's this, this, this, and this, then actually in the cold light of what we've now seen unfurl since then was premature. | |
| No, I don't agree. | |
| And it's interesting to use the word unfortunate, Piers. | |
| I've told you this before in the past when you say you're not a conservative, you're not in the right. | |
| You use language that always minimizes what the right does. | |
| If Joe Biden had done it, if Kamala Harris had done it, you'd have been up in arms. | |
| It was a joke. | |
| You know it was a joke. | |
| The entire world watched that in shock. | |
| No president has ever behaved towards the Allied leader in public like that, maybe in private. | |
| We know what our European allies thought of it. | |
| They thought it was a disaster. | |
| They didn't think it was just unfortunate. | |
| And look, if your argument is bring him to the table, there are other ways to bring him to the table. | |
| I'm someone who supported a ceasefire in Ukraine for a while. | |
| In fact, a year ago, two years ago, if we had this conversation, I would have probably been the most dovish anti-war voice out of the three of us. | |
| Both of you would have been much more pro-Ukraine and hawkish against Russia than me. | |
| My problem is while I want a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement, and I've said that since the beginning, even when I was doing my MSNBC show, I wanted it done by neutral mediators who have the best interests in peace. | |
| Donald Trump doesn't care about peace. | |
| He cares about, he wants to win a Nobel Peace Prize. | |
| It bothers him that Barack Obama got one. | |
| He loved the fake ceasefire in Israel. | |
| He doesn't mind if he gets a fake ceasefire in Ukraine. | |
| My problem is the negotiator shouldn't be an American president who is so blatantly and viciously in the Russian camp. | |
| Piers, you cannot deny that he is not a neutral mediator. | |
| He only berates one side, not the other. | |
| He pushes Russian lies, right? | |
| If I had said the stuff he said a year ago, you and Dan Crenshaw would be attacking me as a Putin stooge. | |
| He said Zelensky's a dictator, lied about that. | |
| Then he lied and said he didn't say Zelensky was a dictator. | |
| He said Zelensky had a 4% approval rating. | |
| That was another lie. | |
| He lied and said Ukraine started the war, an outrageous lie. | |
| Russia started the war with an illegal invasion. | |
| He lied about how much money America has given Ukraine compared to Europe. | |
| He's lied and lied and lied. | |
| And that is my problem. | |
| And my biggest problem, and Piers, surely you agree with me, is can Russia be trusted to maintain the ceasefire? | |
| I'm glad the ball's in Russia's court. | |
| But don't forget what caused that blow-up in the White House. | |
| Zelensky, not rudely, but firmly, asked JD Vance, how do you know Russia's going to keep the ceasefire? | |
| 25 times Russia has violated previous ceasefires. | |
| Vance couldn't answer the question, so instead he personally berated and insulted and verbally abused the president of Ukraine. | |
| That's what it comes down to now. | |
| Can Russia be guaranteed to hold a ceasefire? | |
| And can Trump ever hold Russia accountable, the one leader in the world he'll never, ever criticize? | |
| All right, Dan, a lot to unpack there, but I think what I felt about this is that Trump's minerals plan seemed to be quite a smart part of this equation to peace, because it would calm down all those on the MAGA side who are outraged about the spending that's been going on in supporting Ukraine, who do not see the point of America doing this, who want America first and leave these foreign wars alone and so on. | |
| If you can have a deal based around accessing minerals that America can then use and you can make it look like a transactional business relationship that costs Americans nothing, that's a better sell for Trump just politically with his base. | |
| I got it. | |
| I also think that Trump had a point. | |
| I'm interested in what you think as a military man, though, that whilst I accept what Medi says, that it is all about security guarantees and that Zelensky's biggest fear might be actually what happens when Trump's no longer in office, that Putin might not try anything on his watch, but he might wait and bide his time and do it, then, which he did, of course, with Biden when he invaded Ukraine. | |
| I'm just curious what you think about the idea that Trump had, which is if you've got American contractors all over Ukraine digging up minerals and they're there in big numbers and there's a business relationship there, is that enough of a deterrence to Putin to then attack more of Ukraine because he would effectively be attacking areas that have a lot of American people on the ground? | |
| Yeah, I mean, look, the minerals deal in particular is a good idea for two reasons. | |
| One, it's a political backstop for President Trump, as you mentioned. | |
| Second, there's now an economic entanglement between the U.S. and Ukraine, which is an implicit security guarantee. | |
| The Ukrainians agreed with this, by the way. | |
| It was frustrating. | |
| And you look at what Rubio really put it well when he explained on maybe CBS or whatever interview it was, why the frustration with Zelensky. | |
| He had agreed. | |
| We were in Munich. | |
| We were in Munich at this Munich security conference. | |
| I met with Zelensky at that time. | |
| He seemed to have no problems with the mineral agreement, seemed to think it was a good idea. | |
| Rubio had convinced him earlier, maybe that day or the day before. | |
| And then he would go out talking about how he's not agreeing with it. | |
| So there was a frustration within the administration. | |
| The White House blowup, I mean, I watched it myself as well. | |
| And my take from it was, this is not the time to be litigating past histories about Putin, whether you're right or not. | |
| This isn't the moment for it. | |
| It's time to have lunch, sign a deal, and get on our way to a peace deal. | |
| And so Mehdi's complaints seem to be purely stylistic. | |
| Okay, so you don't like Trump's style and how he got people to the table, but how else would you do it? | |
| I mean, do you agree with the premise of a ceasefire? | |
| Like you do have to engage in uncomfortable flattery with the Russians. | |
| That is something Trump knows. | |
| It is how you wrangle them. | |
| And look, Zelensky has been pandered to by Europeans, by us for a while. | |
| Now, look, I think everything happened as it should happen along the timelines. | |
| I think we needed to probably do a lot more than Biden did, quicker and faster aid to defend Ukraine in the beginning. | |
| Three years later, Trump is right. | |
| It is time to actually start talking. | |
| And regardless of whether those talks have worked in the past, again, that was JD Vance's point in the White House. | |
| Why are we litigating that? | |
| Let's talk about present and future. | |
| And that's a very American way of thinking, but it works. | |
| And it's not a very Eastern European way of thinking, right? | |
| They think in terms of the thousand years of history preceding them. | |
| This is the problem of the Middle East as well. | |
| Like, this is just, there's a different, there's a cultural mismatch there. | |
| And I think that's what you actually saw unfold in the way on your point, though. | |
| What we have is, but we seem to agree on the outcome here. | |
| We seem to all like the outcome. | |
| Yeah, I agree. | |
| And the other thing I would say on your point about how to deal with Putin... | |
| Well, Mehdi, we don't know what the hell is it? | |
| Hold on, we don't know what the outcome is. | |
| Hang on. | |
| We don't know what the outcome is. | |
| No, okay, but we all agree. | |
| As of today, we seem to like it, right? | |
| I mean, we like the idea that Ukraine has signed up to a ceasefire, which is way further forward than they were in the Oval Office when they didn't want to even sign up. | |
| Hold on, the block. | |
| Hold on. | |
| Come on, guys. | |
| This is crazy that I'm having to be there kind of pro-Ukraine against the seemingly pro-Russian voice. | |
| The block on a ceasefire, are you saying that was Ukraine for the last three years that's been the only block on a ceasefire? | |
| Come on, I said Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire. | |
| Why are you twisting your terms? | |
| The idea that... | |
| No, no, nobody's saying. | |
| Because you're saying that we're in a ceasefire position. | |
| Can I finish a sentence? | |
| You're saying that Zelensky went to the table because Trump bullied him in public. | |
| And by the way, I'm loving this from you two, that this language we're using today to coddle Trump, he's not even here and you're both so worried about his feelings. | |
| Trump, Piers talking about unfortunate. | |
| Dan said stylistic. | |
| Come on. | |
| I have a memory of longer than a goldfish. | |
| Barack Obama talked about a reset with Russia. | |
| Your party, Dan, went nuts. | |
| Can I just call him a stooge of Russia? | |
| Many, if I may. | |
| Hold on. | |
| No, I just finished my sentence. | |
| I need to be able to actually put a question. | |
| I want to call it two against one. | |
| I haven't spoken about Russia for the last five minutes. | |
| You both have been speaking. | |
| Can I finish one point? | |
| Let me just make one point. | |
| It's not stylistic. | |
| It is Trump being objectively pro-Russia, pushing Russian talking points. | |
| And if a Democrat did it, Dan Crenshaw and you, Piers Morgan, would be all over them and they're not. | |
| The Democrats literally did it because Bill Clinton, I put a clip out that went viral last week of me interviewing Bill Clinton in 2012. | |
| And it went viral for a reason because he was talking about how he dealt with Vladimir Putin when they were both world leaders. | |
| And he said, what do you have to do with Putin? | |
| You don't criticize him in public. | |
| He said, but behind the scenes, you have very tough conversations. | |
| And interestingly, he said, let me finish. | |
| Why did Obama? | |
| Stop interrupting Meddy. | |
| You said you hate interruptions. | |
| You're about to interrupt it. | |
| Stop interrupting. | |
| You interrupted what you preach. | |
| You interrupted me earlier. | |
| Practice what you preach. | |
| Well, it's two against one. | |
| Can I finish, please, Meddy? | |
| I'll wait. | |
| Thank you. | |
| And he simply said, and he simply said that behind the scenes, they have very tough conversations. | |
| And I said to him, could you trust Putin if he gave you his word on something? | |
| He went, absolutely. | |
| He never went back on his word, which I thought was interesting. | |
| And I've heard that from other leaders. | |
| So what Putin says in public and what happens in public is one thing. | |
| What happens behind the scenes with him is another. | |
| We don't know what conversations Trump has had with Putin behind the scenes, but we do know he's following the same playbook in public. | |
| Public because he tore them up. | |
| He's following the same playbook in public. | |
| If you may not interrupt me, please. | |
| We do know he's following the same playbook as Bill Clinton advocated in that clip. | |
| And he was a Democrat president last time I checked. | |
| So there is a strategy they have for dealing with Putin, which may be more effective than simply doing what you'd like everyone to do, which is call Putin a monster. | |
| I'm happy to. | |
| I think he is a despicable tyrant. | |
| He's a dictator. | |
| I'm pretty sure you've called him a monster more than I hang on. | |
| Stop interrupting, please. | |
| I think he's an awful dictator. | |
| Well, you're giving a speech now, Piers. | |
| You should know all about that, Meddy. | |
| Let me finish, and I'll come to you. | |
| He's a ruthless dictator, to be clear, who illegally invaded a sovereign democratic country. | |
| But do I think that Donald Trump has more chance of forging peace here when that war is clearly at a point where it's just going to kill more and more people for very little territorial change? | |
| Yes, I do. | |
| Far more than Joe Biden ever even looked like doing. | |
| Over to you, Meddy. | |
| I don't have much to add other than to repeat my point, which is I'm not for war. | |
| I'm the most dovish person on the three of us on this panel. | |
| My point is a very simple political point, which maybe neither of you want to hear, which is that when Democrats are in office, if they ever try and make peace or do deals with dictators, they get attacked by Dan's party and Fox for being soft on device. | |
| We all know this. | |
| This is undeniable. | |
| In Washington, D.C., they're called soft. | |
| They're called sellouts. | |
| Obama was demonized for many reasons, including his Russia reset comments. | |
| All I'm saying is the Republicans come into office with Trump, not with any other one, not with Romney, but with Trump. | |
| And when Trump does it, they all flip and say, let's have peace with North Korea. | |
| Are you kidding me? | |
| If Joe Biden had said, if Joe Biden had said, if Joe Biden had said, I'm exchanging love letters with Kim Jong-un, the Republicans would have crucified him. | |
| Everyone here knows that. | |
| All right. | |
| Let me explain to you the difference between rhetoric and actions. | |
| So under Obama in 2014, what did Russia do? | |
| It's very patronizing. | |
| Refresh my memory since you have the memory longer than a goldfish. | |
| Oh, yeah, they invaded Ukraine. | |
| And did Putin or did Obama? | |
| Did Obama give Obama give any weapons to Ukraine for self-defense? | |
| No. | |
| No. | |
| Trump did. | |
| Javelinski. | |
| And did your party attack him for that? | |
| But didn't your party attack him for that? | |
| Don't you literally for me, Dan. | |
| Thanks. | |
| Thanks, Dan. | |
| Thanks, Dan. | |
| You just made my point. | |
| Let Dan speak, please. | |
| But he's stopping. | |
| Yeah, Republicans attacked Obama. | |
| My wait, are you saying my party attacked Trump for giving Republicans attacked Obama? | |
| No. | |
| No, I said Obama for not arming. | |
| Yes. | |
| You're making my point for me. | |
| So they attacked him for being soft on Russia. | |
| That's my point. | |
| So when Obama's soft on Russia, it's bad. | |
| When Trump is soft on Russia, it's good. | |
| Do you see the hypocrisy here? | |
| No, there's no hypocrisy because we've attacked you multiple times. | |
| Trump actually has taken actions against Russia to include arming the Ukrainians. | |
| And if he hadn't done that, by the way, Ukraine would be Russia right now. | |
| He just cut off the streets. | |
| He just cut off aid for three days. | |
| Come on, make gas studies. | |
| He literally back on. | |
| And people died. | |
| And how many children died? | |
| And how many people died? | |
| How many people died in those three days? | |
| Do you want to tell the viewers? | |
| You want to tell the viewers how many people died? | |
| When they're not rocking it. | |
| On the ground in Ukraine. | |
| It had zero effect. | |
| Four days of supposedly cutting off aid had zero effect. | |
| I don't need to know about warfare to know that. | |
| I'm not done with my list of actions. | |
| He literally cut off arms and influence. | |
| And he cut off arms and intake. | |
| So Putin invaded Ukraine twice, both under Obama and Biden. | |
| Under Trump, Ukraine was given defense weapons that actually saved Ukraine from being totally taken over because it was those weapons that were used to destroy Russian tanks just outside Kiev. | |
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| I saw them with my own eyes. | |
| It's true there. | |
| What are you saying? | |
| Did you know about the actual on-the-ground truth in Ukraine? | |
| Oh, how many hundreds of Russian soldiers did Trump vaporize in Syria? | |
| To say that Trump is some Putin puppet and soft on Putin is absolutely ridiculous. | |
| He knows how to negotiate. | |
| He ran on getting a deal. | |
| He was very clear about winning a deal, which you seem to agree with. | |
| I don't understand how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth. | |
| This is what I mean by your complaints about it seem to be completely stylistic. | |
| Like, how are you going to get Putin to the table by beating your chest? | |
| I mean, that is Trump's argument, and it's a sensible one. | |
| And he also has to get his allies in order. | |
| So we've got the French, we've got the English who are willing to put peacekeeping troops on the ground. | |
| We are going in the right direction here. | |
| The Europeans are understanding the French are great ones. | |
| We're literally losing allies in the rest, but okay. | |
| You are losing allies. | |
| America's not losing any allies. | |
| We're not losing any allies. | |
| We're in denial stronger. | |
| You're in denial. | |
| The British Prime Minister is being warrior in the last name of Egypt. | |
| You've never used relationships. | |
| I've never met with senior advisors. | |
| And by the way, all that's happening is that Europeans come to you just shout out to me. | |
| It was my show. | |
| European. | |
| I think every of you can see the two of you. | |
| Mehdi, sometimes you can give you my show when you do. | |
| If I'm on yours, you can dictate it. | |
| I love it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Well, when you're all the same peers, I don't do two. | |
| I do on my own. | |
| No, you do. | |
| All that's happened in the last week or so is that Europe has finally stepped up and accepted more responsibility for defending itself properly and less reliance on America to constantly bail us out. | |
| As a European, I am completely in favor of that. | |
| And that's almost entirely down to Donald Trump, who was right onto the NATO scam in his first term, where European countries were not paying even their basic dues into NATO. | |
| Why should America step up as everyone's policeman, backing them with money, with military and everything else, if the Europeans won't even pay their basic membership fees? | |
| He was right then, and he's right now about Europe stepping up. | |
| Mehdi. | |
| Am I allowed to speak yet? | |
| You may speak. | |
| Can I respond? | |
| Thank you very much. | |
| Which is funny because I said to a producer before I appears to be neutral. | |
| He said, yes, very neutral. | |
| I am neutral. | |
| There's two people shouting at me every time I speak. | |
| I am neutral. | |
| Yeah, okay, if you say so. | |
| I think the viewers can see that two people are shouting at me every time I speak. | |
| So, yeah, I think it's clear that two people are shouting at me. | |
| You made a big statement about interrupting. | |
| So we're just calling you. | |
| Can you interrupt me? | |
| Can you interrupt everybody? | |
| Betty. | |
| Let me know when I'm trying to speak, please. | |
| I'll try. | |
| Let's see. | |
| You're being a baby. | |
| You're being a bit of a baby. | |
| On the front. | |
| There you go. | |
| There you go. | |
| There's another interruption. | |
| Another interruption from Dan. | |
| Hey, Dan, I'm not a baby. | |
| I'm happy to be here on my own. | |
| You need to be a handheld by peers. | |
| That's fine. | |
| Look, my point is... | |
| I'm an interesting whole Dan Crenshaw. | |
| My point about Russia is a bad... | |
| You're aware of his military career. | |
| So far, three interruptions. | |
| Three interruptions. | |
| Let's keep going. | |
| Let's see. | |
| Everyone's watching. | |
| Everyone is watching to see that I cannot make one point about Russia. | |
| Why don't you just speak? | |
| Let me start a fourth time. | |
| Let me start a fourth time and see if you both could actually let me speak. | |
| You haven't started anything. | |
| If you both shut up, maybe. | |
| All you do is insult us. | |
| Say something. | |
| Anything. | |
| Hey, I love the Morgan Crenshaw dream team. | |
| No, it's not two against one at all. | |
| All right, so let me start for a fourth time. | |
| Very silly. | |
| Russia thinks Trump is... | |
| Oh, wow. | |
| Okay, fifth time. | |
| Russia has openly said that Trump is aligned with our vision, right? | |
| Russians are the ones saying they love Trump. | |
| The Russian media loves Trump. | |
| The Mueller report made it very clear that Putin always wanted Trump to win in both elections. | |
| So let's not get lost in Trump. | |
| Trump called Putin a genius for invading Ukraine in 2022. | |
| And yes, the invasion happened on Biden's watch. | |
| But Zelensky himself will tell you, you've both met Zelensky. | |
| I haven't. | |
| He'll tell you that thanks to Joe Biden, Russia wasn't able to completely destroy and wipe out Ukraine in a matter of months or weeks, as some people thought he would, including American generals wrongly. | |
| So it's absurd to say Joe Biden didn't support Ukraine for the last few years. | |
| Of course he did. | |
| And yes, we all want peace, but I don't trust Trump. | |
| If I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, I'll come back on this show and I'll say to you all, you guys were right. | |
| Trump got peace in Russia and Ukraine and it sustained and it was a durable real peace. | |
| And I will say back in a year or two years. | |
| And I will say now Trump will deliver peace in Ukraine. | |
| So we'll see. | |
| We'll have the same three. | |
| Okay, good. | |
| Okay, and let me finish the point that I've been waiting. | |
| Can I just finish the one point I waited five minutes for? | |
| Yes, why don't you make it? | |
| Well, I do have a disagreement because actually I do think Western allies are reassessing their view of the US. | |
| And I think it's absurd to say Europe did. | |
| I'm so fed up with this propaganda, Piers, that you as a European are pushing about. | |
| Europeans spent, if you include support for refugees, Europeans spent $300 billion on Ukraine. | |
| Even if you just do military and humanitarian aid, as Dan himself has accepted, it's equal, right? | |
| If you throw in refugees, they spent billions. | |
| This is absurd. | |
| And what's the territorial size of Europe against America? | |
| The biggest population. | |
| Sorry, sorry. | |
| What's the population of Europe compared to America? | |
| I don't know off the top of my head. | |
| You don't know? | |
| Why don't you go away and work? | |
| But Europe is many, many times the size of the United States, both geographically and in parallel. | |
| So then you think they should be parity. | |
| So what are you saying then? | |
| Tear up the translation. | |
| They should be parity, should they? | |
| No, but hold on. | |
| Hold on. | |
| Hold on. | |
| The U.S. wanted to bleed Russia in this war. | |
| This is what people on the left have been saying for a while. | |
| The U.S. had national security interests, they claimed Republican and Democrats told us, including Dan Crenshaw, in fighting Russia. | |
| So don't act like this is some humanitarian gesture or charitable act by the US to Ukraine. | |
| Come on, grow up. | |
| That's not what happened in Ukraine. | |
| I'll try and grow up for that. | |
| Let's move on to the final. | |
| I'm going to try and grow up. | |
| Let's move on to the final topic, which is Mahmoud Halil, who's this prominent figure in Columbia University's pro-Palestinian student protest movement, been arrested and detained on Saturday after an executive order by President Trump ordered that terrorist sympathizers should be deported. | |
| Now, Halil is married to an American, but is in the US on a green card, and there is actual legal activity still ongoing. | |
| So we'll have to see how that all plays out. | |
| Trump wrote on Truth Social, we know there are more students at Columbia and other universities across the country who've engaged in pro-terrorist, anti-Semitic, anti-American activity, and the Trump administration will not tolerate it. | |
| Meddy, your response. | |
| Yeah, so to go back to the start of the show, and Dan talked about Trump derangement syndrome. | |
| Many people have accused me of Trump derangement syndrome because I've been warning about, as you know, on this show with you, Piers, you and I have argued about Trump fascism, Trump autocracy, authoritarianism, racism. | |
| I've been super worried about what Donald Trump might be. | |
| But even I was shocked by this. | |
| I thought they would go after student visas, students, you know, the low-hanging fruit. | |
| I would have objected to that, but there would have been at least some argument there to go after a lawful permanent resident in this way. | |
| No accusation of a crime, no charge of a crime. | |
| The way they did it was horrific. | |
| Then Trump comes out weaponizing Judaism in a Hebrew with shalom Mahmoud. | |
| Again, accusing him of no crime, saying he's anti-Semitic and anti-American. | |
| Very McCarthyite phrase. | |
| What does anti-American mean? | |
| Donald Trump, many would argue, is very anti-American. | |
| So it's a very, very scary moment wherein those of us who believe in the rule of law, who support immigrant rights, there are more green card holders in the U.S. than undocumented immigrants, 14 million who are now, I know many of them who are living in fear now about what they, you know, what's going to happen to them. | |
| Did they say something or do something that Trump doesn't like? | |
| I do find it ironic that the Republican Party, which obsessed for years over threats to free speech, over social media censorship, over COVID lockdowns, over the government coming for your guns, black helicopters in the skies, | |
| now seem to be totally fine with armed federal agents from the United States government turning up unannounced at the home of a U.S. citizen who is eight months pregnant to detain without charge her lawful permanent resident husband and then disappear him simply because the president of the United States doesn't agree with his political views or the content of his speech. | |
| If that is not fascism, I don't know what is. | |
| Okay, Dan, your response. | |
| I'll help you out. | |
| I'll help you out. | |
| So let's read what Khalil's statements actually were. | |
| Quote, we are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization. | |
| Our intifada is an internationalist one. | |
| We are fighting for nothing less than the liberation of all people. | |
| So this is an incitement to violence. | |
| Very clearly so. | |
| If you're looking... | |
| That's a statement from a group he was part of. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| So, okay, so here's, and here's the, and here's the law. | |
| You're right. | |
| Sorry. | |
| That is correct. | |
| Now, here's the law that we're referencing. | |
| You said he broke no laws, but it's section 8, U.S. Code 1227. | |
| Being a representative of a political or social group that endorses our spouse's terrorist activity is against the law and a violation of the social contract of having that visa. | |
| That's the argument. | |
| This isn't some cardiacism. | |
| This is some vague issue. | |
| How is it false? | |
| I just read to you the actual U.S. code like this. | |
| I'll tell you. | |
| No, I can't tell you who. | |
| I can tell you who it's false because according to the White House, Dan, according to the White House, the White House went to the free press yesterday. | |
| You should check your facts before you come on and defend the White House. | |
| The White House went to the free press and said, we're not accusing him of breaking any laws. | |
| So Congressman Dan Crenchwell is coming on TV making wild accusations of law breaking based on a quote that's not from Mehmoud Khalil. | |
| It's just referencing the law. | |
| They are. | |
| Well, hold on. | |
| Hold on, you're wrong, Dan. | |
| First, accept that you're wrong. | |
| The White House said to the free press, Barry Weiss's right-wing free press, this week, we are not accusing him of breaking any laws. | |
| In fact, if you want to understand the laws, you need to look at the Immigration National Act of 1952. | |
| They're actually taking him into deportation proceedings under Section 237A4CI, which allows Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, to personally deport a migrant because he believes that migrant's presence has serious potential adverse consequences for U.S. foreign policy. | |
| That is the obscure act, which, by the way, was designed for Eastern European Jews to get rid of them because they were deemed to be communists in the 1950s. | |
| That is what Rubio is using to get rid of a lawful permanent resident. | |
| Now, whether that's legal or not, Trump's late sister, Judge Marion Trump Barry, said it was a violation of the First Amendment. | |
| We'll see if the Supreme Court gets involved. | |
| But the idea that we should live in a country where Marco Rubio or Anthony Blinken can remove a green card holder because he doesn't like his views and they're against U.S. foreign policy, some nebulous aim, that's outrageous. | |
| And there was a time when the Republican Party would have been against the case. | |
| You've added to my argument. | |
| I appreciate that. | |
| So perhaps you should be defending the Trump administration. | |
| No, I'm pointing out to you the animal laws. | |
| He hasn't committed any criminal violence. | |
| He hasn't broken any laws. | |
| No, he hasn't broken any laws. | |
| That lawyer is not. | |
| No, Dan. | |
| Let me explain it to you again. | |
| That law gives Rubio the power to do it. | |
| That doesn't mean Mehmoud Khalil has broken it anymore. | |
| And I gave you another lawyer. | |
| And I referenced another law. | |
| And you're wrong. | |
| And you're wrong. | |
| The White House disowned you now. | |
| And the White House disowned you. | |
| The White House said we're not accusing the lawyer. | |
| Your White House, Dan. | |
| It's embarrassing to you because the White House disowned you. | |
| You don't know that. | |
| You just quoted Rubio referencing a law, did you not? | |
| No, because you don't understand what the law gives Rubio. | |
| Let me say it slowly then. | |
| Rubio has the power to remove someone he believes is against U.S. foreign policy. | |
| That is not someone who's broken the law. | |
| That just gives him immigration power. | |
| Nobody is suggesting Mehmoud Khalil has broken the law. | |
| He hasn't been charged with breaking any law. | |
| He was disappeared to Louisiana. | |
| You say, you say he broke the law. | |
| The White House says that you can check with the White House on talking points before you come on TV. | |
| I can have my own opinion on the legal justification of removing this person. | |
| Rubio has legal justification. | |
| Unless the Supreme Court shoots him down. | |
| I'm saying it's unconstitutional. | |
| I'm saying that's unconstitutional. | |
| Okay. | |
| Despite the fact that there's no laws that just made that up. | |
| You just made that up. | |
| I'm the only person who said Rubio. | |
| I didn't say that he hasn't broken. | |
| I said that Rubio has a legal power to remove him. | |
| You said he's broken laws, and I'm saying he's not being a lawyer. | |
| I referenced a different one. | |
| I'm giving charging, Dan. | |
| Who charged him with content? | |
| No, no, no. | |
| He's already been afraid. | |
| The tenant administration charged him. | |
| No, that's not context. | |
| I'm saying, why these things are allowed to happen? | |
| It hasn't happened. | |
| And that's outrageous. | |
| Wow. | |
| So you're okay with disappearing lawful permanent residents. | |
| Yes. | |
| Is it really a problem? | |
| To disappear a legal permanent resident. | |
| Because Marco Rubio don't like his views. | |
| Okay, many. | |
| Affiliations. | |
| Hang on. | |
| Let's get the menu. | |
| Let me ask Meddy a question. | |
| Should people who are in the United States? | |
| Oh, yeah, let's poll the American people. | |
| Okay. | |
| That's how we make. | |
| That's how we protect civil liberties, do we, Dan? | |
| Medi, poll the American people. | |
| Medi, let me ask you a question. | |
| Should somebody who's in America on a green card be allowed to support a terror organization? | |
| Because according to all the paperwork you fill in, when you apply for a green card, if you do support one, you would not be given a green card. | |
| Hamas are a prescribed terror group, Piers in the United States. | |
| He has supported Hamas. | |
| Therefore, if the United States government, if they wanted to revoke his green card, they are perfectly within their rights to do so, as Dan has articulated. | |
| Not true. | |
| Piers, you don't. | |
| No, no, Dan has not articulated that at all. | |
| No law has been cited that says you can revoke his green card because of his speech. | |
| Piers, you don't know what you're supporting because you don't think someone's terror group. | |
| If you support a terrorist card, where's your evidence? | |
| You would not get it. | |
| It's U.S. Where's your evidence for that? | |
| Is this really going to be two against one? | |
| You're literally both talking at me at the same time. | |
| I'm not sure if you speak at one time. | |
| I can't respond to two of you. | |
| So Piers asked me a question. | |
| No, Piers asked me a question, Dan. | |
| No, Dan. | |
| Piers asked me a question. | |
| I'm responding to Piers. | |
| So if you can hold your point, Piers asked me about withdrawing a green card. | |
| I'm telling you, Piers, there is no evidence he supports Hamas. | |
| If there was, they would have arrested him for it. | |
| They didn't charge him with supporting Hamas. | |
| The organization that he fronts actually described as heavily charged him. | |
| They described October the 7th as a victory. | |
| Piers, and that's free speech in this country. | |
| Maybe you live in the United States. | |
| It's offensive. | |
| Is it supporting Hamas? | |
| If you say October the 7th is a victory, I have not seen a quote from this. | |
| It's been four days. | |
| It's been four days. | |
| And it's not from him. | |
| Nice try, Dan, but the quote wasn't from him. | |
| It's four days. | |
| The U.S. government and Fox News have had four days, have had four days to produce all sorts of stuff, video evidence, photographic evidence. | |
| They've got nothing, which is why they're not charging him with a crime. | |
| And they're saying he's aligned with Hamas. | |
| They're saying he's aligned with Hamas. | |
| You can't just say people are... | |
| You don't do that. | |
| Should I say Piers? | |
| Piers, you're aligned with Hamas. | |
| Should we just throw around accusations? | |
| I don't front an organization that made us. | |
| This is the last time I checked what America said. | |
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Demanding Condemnation From The Opposition
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| No, just to be clear, I don't front an organization. | |
| Unfortunately, Piers, there's free speech. | |
| Sorry, just to finish my point. | |
| You asked me a question. | |
| I thought the show was called uncensored. | |
| It is. | |
| You have to let me respond to your questions. | |
| If you ask me a question or Dan, let us respond. | |
| Don't just then talk over us. | |
| It's quite straightforward. | |
| And I would say that I do not front an organization which has put out statements describing October the 7th as a victory. | |
| If you do, you are a supporter of Hamas. | |
| Which organization? | |
| If you support Hamas, you are supporting the statement. | |
| Which organization put that out of it? | |
| A terrorist organization, and as such, you would be in breach. | |
| Which organization put that statement out, Piers? | |
| The student group that he claimed. | |
| Which organization? | |
| The student group that he fronts, whatever they call the student group. | |
| Whatever the CUAD. | |
| It's a wild accusation without evidence. | |
| It's not. | |
| The CUAD did not call October 7th a victory. | |
| It's in their statement. | |
| The CUAD has not called... | |
| The CUAD has not called October the 7th a victory. | |
| Yes, they have. | |
| It's called University of Orified Diet. | |
| No, I think they have. | |
| That's what it's called. | |
| They have, and I will show you. | |
| That's what they campaign for. | |
| And they have their quote quote from that. | |
| I actually know more about this group than you do because they have Jewish members who have written for Zatayo and they do support divestment. | |
| They want to divest from the genocide that you support and you fund. | |
| You fund the genocide in Gaza. | |
| They want to divest from it. | |
| You want to demonize and criminalize it. | |
| So Piers brought up that they were 7th. | |
| I would actually be quiet. | |
| You can celebrate October 7th. | |
| I'm not a green card holder, Dan. | |
| You can't disappear me as well. | |
| Will you be quiet? | |
| So I would agree with that. | |
| You can celebrate October 7th. | |
| I think you're discussing for it, but no, you can't be arrested. | |
| Do you want everyone to be quiet? | |
| You can't say something like, we are Westerners fighting for the eradication of Western civilization. | |
| You are crossing the line. | |
| That is not a crime. | |
| That's free speech. | |
| No, Dan. | |
| You are confused about the law. | |
| Are you kidding me? | |
| You've lost your mind if you've got a destruction of our civilization. | |
| You're saying is a violent call. | |
| Is it a crime? | |
| Yes. | |
| No, it's not. | |
| Yes, cultural. | |
| Violence is indeed a crime. | |
| I don't agree with it, but yes, it is. | |
| Free speech in this country is a very broad definition. | |
| You cannot arrest people for speech crimes. | |
| And by the way, there's no incitement of coming from the Republican Party, which is a very important thing. | |
| Calling for the destruction of the civilization. | |
| And all those people were pardoned. | |
| Dan, what does destruction mean? | |
| Spare me your own morality. | |
| Your party pardoned 1,500 domestic terrorists. | |
| My party condemned anything. | |
| I haven't heard you condemn Donald Trump. | |
| My party didn't party. | |
| Yes, they did. | |
| They supported Donald Trump. | |
| What do you mean? | |
| Okay, will you condemn it now? | |
| Will you condemn Donald Trump? | |
| Yes. | |
| Will you condemn? | |
| Will you condemn Donald Trump pardoning Donald War? | |
| Why didn't we move? | |
| Why don't we run out of time? | |
| We've run out of time. | |
| We've run out of time. | |
| Why don't we try to find the problems? | |
| Why don't we try to end on a point of agreement? | |
| Will you condemn terrorists? | |
| Why don't we try and end the general? | |
| Why don't we try and end where you both agree about something, right? | |
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Tucker Carlson Disagrees On Twitter Wars
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| Which is Bringing it to an end, but I want to try and end on a point you may both agree about, which is Dan's ongoing spat with Tucker Carlson. | |
| Now, this began when there was, you were caught off, you thought you were off camera, still on mic, saying he was the worst person. | |
| We've talked a lot on Twitter. | |
| If I ever meet him, I'm going to effing kill him. | |
| You then said, I think anyone seriously watching and being honest with themselves knows that was hyperbole. | |
| You said in private, I know Tucker has nothing to worry about. | |
| I've absolutely no desire to harm him. | |
| And then Tucker went on a podcast with commentator Chris Joseph on his podcast, and he said this about you, Dan. | |
| Tell us about my all-time favorite member of Congress, Dan Crenshaw. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So he's a tough one. | |
| He's a hothead on Twitter now. | |
| He's out of control. | |
| Yeah, he's, I don't understand why he's taking this stance a little bit. | |
| Because his personal life is out of control. | |
| Yeah, because he used to be like a right-wing darling. | |
| Like he was, you know, with the Navy SEALs, I think, early early on. | |
| Not with me. | |
| I always thought he was a freak and a warmonger. | |
| Really? | |
| Yeah. | |
| Weirdo. | |
| Yeah. | |
| He's a freak and a warmonger weirdo. | |
| But yeah. | |
| He's showing it now. | |
| Dan, your response to being a freak, a warmonger, and a weirdo. | |
| Yeah, well, this is this is typical for Tucker. | |
| Tucker has no actual substance, right? | |
| He's been attacking me since 2022 when he became obsessed with me. | |
| I live rent-free in that little mongrel's head. | |
| And yeah, you know, people ask me all the time, like, why does he hate you? | |
| And I'm like, you know, the fact that you can't answer that question is indicative of the fact that he has no actual substance. | |
| See, I can tell you why Meddy disagrees with me. | |
| I can tell you why Meddy doesn't like me. | |
| At least he has, you know, I disagree with them all, but at least he has things that he disagrees with me on. | |
| Tucker never actually says anything. | |
| It's just, it's just insults. | |
| He'll use my war wound to insult me. | |
| He's a weird, bad guy. | |
| I mean, people should not be tricked by his supposed stance against the DC insider elites, right? | |
| Because he literally is that. | |
| I mean, you know what's on the people should know what's on the Hunter Biden laptops. | |
| You know what's funny? | |
| Emails from Tucker Carlson to Hunter Biden asking Hunter Biden for help to get Tucker's son into Georgetown. | |
| You know, Tucker's a silver spoon-fed, trust fund baby, went to a boarding school guy. | |
| Just the epitome of the DC elites who pretends to fight against it in order to corner a market in the media. | |
| He's begged us to go on his show since that time. | |
| We said, look, why don't you do it? | |
| How about a moderated debate? | |
| And he said, oh, no, I'm not going to do that. | |
| So, you know, he's not, I don't think he's a very serious person. | |
| I think he used to be. | |
| I don't see that anymore, right? | |
| It's like, I'm out of control on Twitter because every once in a while I respond harshly to lies told about me. | |
| Yeah, I just don't take it lying down. | |
| Yeah, that's me. | |
| I apologize to no one for it. | |
| Well, the incredible thing about what you've just been saying is I saw Meddy repeatedly nodding in agreement. | |
| So we seem to have reached a point of agreement, Meddy. | |
| I mean, I'll say two things very quickly. | |
| One is we heard Dan read out a quote from the CUAD, which I don't think is in site with the violence. | |
| And then I heard Piers read out a quote from Dan that sounded pretty violent, even though he says he was joking. | |
| But on Tucker Carlson, I can't disagree with Dan's assessment. | |
| One of the things that really drives me up the wall is this. | |
| And I know you had a very chummy sit-down with him in Saudi Arabia, but he is the fake anti-establishment persona really does great with me. | |
| Well, I like Tucker, and I enjoyed my ding-dong with him over in Saudi. | |
| It wasn't by any means a chummy sit-down. | |
| If you've watched particularly one that he aired on his channel, he came after me very strongly about Ukraine and I gave it back with bells on, which is the part of debate. | |
| But we're all entitled to our views both of Tucker and of Ukraine and of Donald Trump and of everything else. | |
| One of the reasons I like you guys coming on uncensored is because you give me your uncensored views and I appreciate it. | |
| So thank you for agreeing to the debate. | |
| I enjoyed it very much. | |
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Weight Divisions And Fairness In Sports
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| Four months on from their crushing defeat in the U.S. election, Democrats remain deeply divided on what went wrong and how they can effectively oppose President Trump. | |
| Former Obama advisor Van Jones has a blunt diagnosis. | |
| Offending most people in the country calling everybody sexist and racist and transphobic and every other name and then say, please follow us. | |
| That's not a good strategy, folks. | |
| Well, part of the problem is that a majority of voters rejected the whole ideology that goes with statements like this. | |
| And it's the same problem that women face is if you don't know anything about our bodies, you don't know how it works. | |
| So when you come in and you say, oh, you know, these men, these are men, you know, competing, competing against women, you're assuming that the women are weak and just can't do anything except here. | |
| Have you seen female athletes? | |
| They know what they're doing. | |
| Oh, whoopee. | |
| That's Whoopi Goldberg explaining that it's feminist to allow men to compete against women because men just don't understand women's bodies. | |
| While interviewing Dylan Mulvaney, who was a man until several years ago, on International Women's Day, sometimes I think we're living literally in a parody life. | |
| It's going to be a long road back to the White House if the Democrats continue down these pathways. | |
| We're joining me now to discuss Democrat disarray and much more. | |
| Professor Nina Turner, former Democrat State Senator for Ohio, wearing spectacular shades, I might add. | |
| And the host of Tommy Larin is fearless on Outkick Tommy Lehron. | |
| Well, welcome to both of you. | |
| Tommy, let me start with you. | |
| There's the whole idea of Dylan Mulvaney sitting there on the view with Whoopi Goldberg informing the nation that actually the whole problem with this biological men competing against women in sport is that people don't understand how strong women are, which is presumably why we separate sexes in the Olympics, for example. | |
| And maybe we should just let them all have a free-for-all. | |
| Sometimes I just, I can't get my head around how grown adults could be this stupid. | |
| Yeah, and again, I think they're playing to a narrative and they have to stick to it because once you've gone in on crazy, you might as well go all the way. | |
| Like there is no reverse on that wagon over there on The View. | |
| But I think the point that they were trying to make by having Dylan Mulvaney on, of course, during Women's History Month and International Women's Day is that the best women are men. | |
| And I think that's the message from the feminist view. | |
| And I think that's what the table is trying to tell us that, again, women are great. | |
| Women are powerful. | |
| We celebrate Women's History Month, but we think men are better at being women than women are. | |
| And we also want them to be defeated in sports. | |
| We want them to have to look at ding-a-lings in the locker room in the restroom because the LGBTQ rainbow mafia perspective is more important and trumps everything else. | |
| So everyone else's feelings be damned. | |
| That's the message that I was getting from Whoopee and the ladies of the view. | |
| Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the feminist movement has been overtaken by the Republican conservative movement. | |
| It's not a fight that we wanted, but I guess it's a fight we'll take on. | |
| Nina, when even Gavin Newsom, who's probably the wokest governor in the history of the United States, when even he concedes it is unfair to have people who are born biologically male and then identify as women competing in women's sports, do you now accept it's unfair? | |
| You said in 2022, trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. | |
| Fine, their words. | |
| But when it comes to reality, actually, trans women are not women in sport. | |
| They're biological men with all the advantages physically that that gives them. | |
| That is the unfairness Gavin Newsom was talking about. | |
| So do you agree with Newsome or are you with Whoopi on this? | |
| Well, Pierce, I don't look to Newsome or Whoopee for my political advice. | |
| I'm apologizing. | |
| Very wise. | |
| So I lean to my own understanding. | |
| You know, as a humanitarian, we should just let people live. | |
| Now, when it comes to sports, and what I mean by that, the more we paint other people as the other and as the enemy, it's a slippery slope. | |
| Now, when it comes to sports, let's let the NCAA or local sports agencies make the decision. | |
| What I can't understand with so much at stake here in the United States of America, why we would focus on something like this on the federal government level, let the local people decide. | |
| Now, if I want to use boxing as by way of example to lean into something that you were bringing up, we have weight classes in boxing. | |
| There's a reason why heavyweights don't fight lightweights or feminists. | |
| And what do you think would happen? | |
| Okay, but Nina, Nina, I'm glad you raised that. | |
| Because a heavyweight. | |
| I'm glad you raised that. | |
| So would you be happy if, say, Floyd Mayweather decided to fight a female boxer who weighed exactly? | |
| Not at all. | |
| No. | |
| But hang on, hang on, hang on. | |
| You just cited the weight divisions that they have. | |
| Fine. | |
| But that's not what the debate is about. | |
| It's not about a heavyweight woman fighting a lightweight woman. | |
| It's about whether a heavyweight man should get in the ring now identifying as a woman and fight a heavyweight woman who's actually... | |
| As we saw, by the way, in the Paris Olympics, where the winner of a gold medal in the women's boxing was actually somebody who was banned from the world championships for testing positive reportedly. | |
| There's been no admission on the part of the athlete for X chromosomes, male chromosomes. | |
| And one of the competitors in an earlier round against this fighter quit after 40 seconds saying she'd never been hit that hard by a woman in her life. | |
| So there are real life and death scenarios unfurling here. | |
| And you say live it to authorities. | |
| The authorities are failing. | |
| So my question for you is simply, do you agree it's intrinsically unfair? | |
| There are apparently 120,000 trans athletes now at high school level in America competing. | |
| Are you comfortable? | |
| Are you comfortable with them competing against women? | |
| Yes or no? | |
| Pierce, now, are you bringing me in to just listen to you or are you going to listen to what I'm saying? | |
| What I am saying, that we need to have a level of fairness. | |
| And I'm using boxing as the example on the way to try to get that fairness. | |
| Absolutely not. | |
| A heavyweight man or woman should not be fighting a lightweight man or not. | |
| We should not disadvantage. | |
| Okay, so Floyd Mayweather. | |
| Let me ask you again. | |
| I don't think you understood my question. | |
| Hang on. | |
| If Floyd Mayweather says Floyd Mayweather says I'm now identifying as a woman, are you comfortable? | |
| Absolutely not. | |
| Hang on, hang on. | |
| Are you comfortable for him to get in a ring against a woman of the same weight? | |
| Yes or no? | |
| No. | |
| I said no. | |
| So your weight argument is complete bullshit. | |
| No, it's not. | |
| It's not. | |
| You're missing. | |
| Accepting biological men have an unfair advantage. | |
| You just answered my question. | |
| Yes, but you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. | |
| What I am saying is that I am not here to dehumanize anybody. | |
| Nor am I. | |
| So to the extent, to the extent that we are spending so much time on this, when 68,000 Americans die every year from not having health care, when there are other more profound things we should deal with. | |
| It has nothing to do with trans athletes and women's sports. | |
| I get that people are concerned about this. | |
| And I recognize the fact that people are concerned about this. | |
| But can we deal with this in a way that does not dehumanize anybody? | |
| I do not want to see biological women disadvantaged in sports, which is why you would ban trans women from competing against competition. | |
| Which is why I gave the weight class example in boxing. | |
| But again, we're spending so much time on this and not dealing with other issues because I don't quite understand. | |
| Do you agree that the NCAA or sports agencies can deal with this? | |
| Do you believe that? | |
| No, I don't. | |
| No, I agree with Donald Trump, who's banning the federal government. | |
| No, I agree with the federal government. | |
| No, no, I think it's a federal. | |
| It's a federal government issue that affects the entire country. | |
| Donald Trump is disagree with. | |
| And Donald Trump is absolutely right. | |
| And you keep talking about the weight cutting. | |
| Let me go to Tommy because I don't think I'm understanding this. | |
| I don't understand what Nina's saying. | |
| On the one hand, she's citing the weight differential in boxing as an example of fairness. | |
| But when I said, would you put Floyd Mayweather in against a woman of the same weight, she was outraged and said, of course not. | |
| So the weight argument is not. | |
| I'm not outraged. | |
| You're mistaken superior, Tommy. | |
| I want to say superior, but different. | |
| Physically superior. | |
| Tommy. | |
| Different. | |
| Men are. | |
| Here's the problem. | |
| There are so many on the left of this issue that are thinking purely with emotions. | |
| You don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. | |
| You don't want to dehumanize anybody. | |
| Of course, those on the LGBTQ side, their feelings are always, and their humanity is always more important than women, of course, because they sit higher on the oppression totem pole that the left subscribes to. | |
| But I would say this: this is not an emotional issue. | |
| This is a scientific and a biological issue. | |
| Most people that think about this emotionally don't want to reckon with the fact that most men could kill most women with their bare hands. | |
| Unfortunately, that's the reality of our biology. | |
| So to say that somebody's feelings and they want to be in this locker room and they feel like they're a woman today and they want to compete and they should be able to compete is completely negating the fact that men are built different than women. | |
| They are biologically and physically superior to women. | |
| And a lot of other areas, they are not, but biologically and physically, they are. | |
| I would say most. | |
| You know, there are some Democrat men that probably could have the crap beat out of them by a conservative woman. | |
| That might happen on occasion. | |
| If you look at some of the Democrat men, but as a rule, men are just stronger. | |
| And I don't know why, again, to this point of this isn't the issue most people care about. | |
| Please spare me because for the last 10 years, the left has been telling us that the only thing we should care about is race and LGBTQ and sexuality and identity. | |
| They've been telling us those are the most important things. | |
| Oh, and climate change. | |
| But now all of a sudden, when they're on the wrong side of the issue and it's a 90-10 issue, all of a sudden, now egg prices are more important. | |
| I mean, please, let's just be consistent with our messaging. | |
| Nina, generally. | |
| Thank God I'm not, thank God I'm not on the left. | |
| I am a progressive. | |
| So the bottom line is this. | |
| People's feelings do matter. | |
| My point is I don't want to dehumanize anybody because there are real criminal threats where people attack, physically attack people in the transgender community, especially black women. | |
| That's all wrong. | |
| So that's wrong. | |
| Listen, I've always supported trans. | |
| I've always supported trans people's rights to fairness and equality. | |
| I abhor any violence against trans people. | |
| As a humanity, I respect their right to the same rights as the rest of us. | |
| That's the part I'm talking about. | |
| But what Tommy is talking about is totally to the extreme. | |
| The point is this. | |
| What's extreme about what she said? | |
| Recognize the differences. | |
| The reason why I'm not using the term superior, because women were created and men were created. | |
| I'm not going to say they're superior. | |
| Is there a strength difference? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| But I'm not using the word superior. | |
| So again, thank God that I am not on the left. | |
| The reason why I'm bringing humanity into this is because there are some people who are predisposed, as I think you would agree, Pierce, to attack people based on their identity. | |
| Yeah, you know who the most I don't like. | |
| There are. | |
| I also have to say, given you've identified as a progressive, that some of the most hateful attack merchants in the world in the last few years have been on the progressive left. | |
| Would you accept that? | |
| Well, it's called being a human being. | |
| Human beings, whether they're conservative, as a Republican people have a propensity to be. | |
| When I see people, when I see people's social media biographies and they have hashtag bekind and they identify as a progressive, I know they are vicious, horrible, hateful human beings who spend their entire life trying to cancel people and shame and humiliate people. | |
| I do not. | |
| Literally, I could honestly write a check each time that I'm right about that and I'd be very rich. | |
| Well, I mean, even the person that you have on opposite of me has been hateful towards me on social media. | |
| So it is not. | |
| Oh, absolutely. | |
| What does she say about you? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Please, you share an example. | |
| What does she say? | |
| Calling me that chick and just going in on me for no reason. | |
| I've never met her. | |
| Just because we disagree politically does not mean that you're not. | |
| You don't like being called a chick? | |
| Mad did I call you that chick? | |
| I'm very confused. | |
| I'd love if you're not. | |
| That doesn't mean that we oh. | |
| I don't know. | |
| You were. | |
| But Pierce, you know what? | |
| Listen, hate, anybody can be hateful is really my point here. | |
| No one group has a monopoly on being hateful. | |
| But the debate isn't about hate. | |
| It's about fairness and equality. | |
| I agree with you. | |
| Trans people. | |
| Listen, I agree with you. | |
| Trans people should not be subjected to any violence. | |
| I completely agree. | |
| Of course not. | |
| They should have the same rights. | |
| Nobody should. | |
| They should have the same rights to fairness and equality as everybody else, including all three of us here. | |
| I agree. | |
| But the reality is in issues like sport, they are themselves eroding women's rights to fairness, equality, and safety. | |
| And that's unfortunate. | |
| Well, let's have the conversation. | |
| I'm afraid. | |
| We've had the conversation and Donald Trump's decided to act on it. | |
| Let me quickly ask you about the Van Jones. | |
| I want to quickly ask you about Van Jones saying the Democrats are screwed. | |
| Tommy, it does seem to me they are literally floundering at the moment. | |
| The behavior during Donald Trump's speech the other night was so abhorrent. | |
| Let's take a clip of what Van Jones said. | |
| Look, man, we're screwed. | |
| I mean, we don't know. | |
| No, Democrats don't know what to do. | |
| This is a nightmare. | |
| You know, somebody like Donald Trump, we thought we'd at least have Hakeem Jeffries in the speaker's chair to hold him back if we didn't have Kamlin there to do the right thing. | |
| Listen, the Democratic Party is going through a massive set of internal crises. | |
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| You have a party that got trapped two ways. | |
| One, defending a broken status quo that nobody likes because they thought that Donald Trump was going to make it worse. | |
| But when you're defending a status quo, you're going to lose. | |
| And then offending most people in the country calling everybody sexist and racist and transphobic and every other name and then saying, please follow us. | |
| That's not a good strategy, folks. | |
| Defending a broken status quo and offending most of the country turns out is not as popular as my party thought it was going to be. | |
| Tommy, if only Van had listened to you or those niggas, could have saved themselves a lot of hardship. | |
| Yeah, Piers, the Democrat Party does not have a leader right now. | |
| I don't think you could identify one. | |
| Yes, it's Hakeem Jeffries. | |
| He could even get his own party in line to prevent them from acting like complete petulant children. | |
| Last week at the joint address, not standing for a kid with cancer or Lake and Riley's family or a returned prisoner of war. | |
| They couldn't stand for that. | |
| Hakeem couldn't get them to not act ridiculous. | |
| So he's not the leader of the party. | |
| Kamala Harris, she's not the leader of the party. | |
| Gavin Newsom desperately wants to be the leader of something, but even he is not. | |
| Pete Buttigiege, no one really takes him seriously. | |
| The Democrats do not have a leader. | |
| They do not have structure. | |
| And then because they lack anybody who's entertaining, they decide to put people like Jasmine Crockett on every cable news show because at least she's entertaining, but she's not going to win anybody over. | |
| And then their response to being more moderate is to have Alyssa Slotkin, who is as boring and as milquetoast as they come. | |
| So they really can't go any direction. | |
| If they go more moderate, it's boring. | |
| If they go to their natural sense of being woke and crazy, it's Jasmine Crockett and AOC. | |
| Nobody in the middle of the country wants that. | |
| So they're screwed. | |
| They have nothing right now. | |
| All they can do is root for the failure of America and the failure of Donald Trump in hopes that somehow that will bring their party back from the dead. | |
| But I got news for them. | |
| I don't think that's going to happen. | |
| Nina, the Democrats are screwed. | |
| Do you agree? | |
| Oh, absolutely. | |
| They are. | |
| I mean, the reason why we have President Donald Day Trump back in there again is because they missed the messaging. | |
| It should have been about the economy. | |
| It should have been about the hardships. | |
| The fact that 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. | |
| The fact that homelessness has risen over 18% from 2023 to 2024. | |
| You have to address people's pain and you have to have a vision that provides provision for the people. | |
| And so simply having the Democratic Party say that we are not Donald J. Trump, well, guess what? | |
| That did not work. | |
| So you know what? | |
| Democrats have to figure out they need to do a real autopsy. | |
| They need to look at the men and the women and the people in the mirror and accept the blame for what happened and figure out how to move forward. | |
| But just simply laying in wait, waiting on President Donald J. Trump to make a mistake, that is not going to endear them to the voters that rejected them in 2024. | |
| But counter to that, though, Pierce, also, what I don't want my Republican colleagues, family, and friends to make a mistake in assuming that just because the American people rejected the Democratic Party does not necessarily mean they are totally in love with what the Republican Party is doing. | |
| Now, President Donald J. Trump ran on the fact that he was going to make the economy different and stronger. | |
| The American people are still, you know, worried about inflation as they well should be. | |
| And they are also still worried about their bottom line. | |
| And so both parties can, if they are out there, not only just navigating how the American people are feeling, can make the change. | |
| But absolutely, if the Democratic Party wants to stay on the course and just lay in wait for failure by President Donald J. Trump, then that dog is not going to hunt. | |
| And they are in for a rude awakening. | |
| So I do not support it. | |
| And the bottom line is Donald J. Trump's real genius is his unique ability to wind up the progressive left and that all liberals and all Democrats into something. | |
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| Such a relentless lava of hysteria that they can't think straight. | |
| And until they can get past that and actually come up with their own policies and their own charismatic leader who actually has a vision for the country. | |
| Van Jones, my old colleague at CNN, is 100 right. | |
| They are completely screwed uh. | |
| Thank you both for a very entertaining debate. | |
| I appreciate it. | |
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