Piers Morgan Uncensored hosts a heated debate where Lindy Lee justifies her political conversion from Democrat to conservative, citing identity politics and fundraising treatment as catalysts despite voting for Bob Casey. Eric Bolling defends his "conservative Democrat" label and support for Kamala Harris's economic stability while advocating for European responsibility in Ukraine, drawing parallels to 1938 appeasement. The panel scrutinizes Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency, contrasting Bolling's waste-cutting enthusiasm with Dean Obeidallah's concerns over mass layoffs, ultimately questioning the ethics of unelected officials accessing private tax data and debating Trump's foreign policy legacy regarding Afghanistan and territorial expansion. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump Means Business00:03:13
Well, I'm looking at this panel, Pierce, and it's, you know, it leans left, let's call it that way.
And I'm, listen, I'm up for the fight.
As someone who I think speaks for a lot of NAGA folks, I recommend we just be very wary of the folks that are late to the game.
I know that I have a lot to prove, but give me a chance to prove that.
Don't shut the door.
Don't trust the tech process.
Elon Musk is an Obama supporter.
Comes around to Trump and now all of a sudden he's your buddy.
I would Google Rescue.
Sweetheart, I have a house in Pennsylvania.
I actually campaigned.
If you're going to talk like that to me, please not a funny part.
MAGA rejects her.
Sorry, Lindy.
MAGA rejects you.
Take it from me that Vladimir Putin is not going to stop.
Donald Trump promised to end this war if you were elected.
He's doing everything he promised.
This is a fantastic opportunity.
Rubio's becoming a great statesman and a great diplomat in a very short period of time.
Donald Trump saying he's for peace is laughable at this point.
I don't know what Donald Trump was in the past.
It's the same Donald Trump, Piers.
Now, last month said he wants a Canada, Greenland, Panama, Customer.
That's not war.
Were they going to hand him to us?
President Trump's cyclon has sent ripples across the Atlantic and begun a massive reshaping of America's relationship with the rest of the world.
As we speak, European leaders are holding emergency talks in Paris.
Russian officials are meeting Marco Rubio in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, for war talks that so far do not include Ukraine.
Zelensky says he knew nothing about the meeting and is awkwardly heading out to Riyadh on completely separate business.
President Trump spoke to Putin last week and insists that the Russian dictator is ready to end the war.
Do you think he wants the whole of Ukraine or just like what do you think he wants?
No, I think he wants to stop.
That was my question to him.
Because if he's going to go on, that would have been a big problem for us.
And that would have caused me a big problem because you just can't let that happen.
I think he wants to end it.
And they want to end it fast.
Both of them.
And Zelensky wants to end it too.
Well, the US has been criticized for selling out Ukraine by dealing directly with Russia, by ruling out a full return to Ukraine's 2014 borders, and by saying that post-war peacekeeping forces must be provided by Europe and Europe alone.
But here's the reality.
There is no peace without Putin's say so.
Trump vowed to end this war and he'll need both Ukraine and Russia to do it.
This is what it takes to bring Putin to the table.
This is unfortunately where the process must begin.
At the heart of Trump's foreign policy posturing is a clear demand for Europe to take responsibility for Europe.
Vice President Vance launched a stunning broadside against the EU in a big speech last week.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth read the Riot Act at NATO.
The US alone currently pays for 16% of NATO's budget and 25 of its members spend less than 2.5% of their GDP on defense.
That cannot continue.
And frankly, why should it continue?
British Prime Minister Sakir Starmer has already now pledged UK troops to a future peacekeeping mission in Ukraine and others will surely have to follow.
Back in DC, Trump is preparing to fight a slew of legal challenges over Elon Musk's cost-cutting doge.
And they're not backing down there either.
They will fail.
It's the president's right to control the budget.
Trust The Tech Process00:06:17
And these are our tax dollars that have been squandered away, Martha.
Look what happened at USAID.
It's really remarkable that every American isn't outraged by what's happened at USAID.
When we work our entire lives to pay taxes, and then you find out that $2 million is going to Guatemala for sex changes, that's not going to happen.
Well, like it or not, President Trump means business, and so far, it seems to be working.
To debate all this, I'm joined by the host of the Dean Obedala show on SiriusXM, Dean Obedala, Julie Roginsky, the commentator and founder of Salty Politics, host of Bolling on YouTube and podcast platforms, Eric Bolling, and former Democratic National Committee fundraiser, Lindy Lee.
Well, welcome, a stellar panel.
I'm sure we'll all be extremely calm and civil to each other, won't we?
Won't we, Eric?
Well, I'm looking at this panel, Pierce, and it's, you know, it leans left, let's call it that way.
And I'm, I'm, listen, I'm up for the fight.
Let's do it.
Let's bring it on.
I'm here.
I'm used to panels like this.
Julie, we got to.
Well, I think you'll find that Lindy has dropped the conservative Kool-Aid since you last saw her.
Eric, I'm not sure if you remember, but just a few weeks ago, you retweeted an attack on me.
Oh, I like this star.
Come on.
What was that about?
Yeah, you did.
I'll tell you exactly what it was.
Be very, very careful.
Yes, of course I do.
I remember I said that I believe you could be a Trojan horse.
I believe that someone who spent the better part of the last election supporting Biden and Kamala Harris all of a sudden sees the light after Donald Trump wins an election.
I mean, you're not that much different from Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos and the rest of them, but I think we should all be.
I'm a healthy guy, Eric.
So I don't blame you for not paying attention to my media appearances, but I've been criticizing Biden well before Election Day.
I raised concerns, and that's why I'm going to blow that from the Democratic Party.
I've been pretty much MAGA since the day, day one.
And as someone who I think speaks for a lot of MAGA folks, I recommend we just be very wary of the folks that are late to the game.
They're not welcome.
I know that I have a lot to prove, but give me a chance to prove that.
Don't shut the door.
I have a lot to offer.
And I am, you're not going to find a harder worker.
I'm already working hard to make sure that we nail the midterms because this is absolutely pivotal.
We can't go back to spoken the trans insanity.
I am done with that.
It's an interesting thing, Eric, isn't it?
Because, I mean, if I were you, I would feel equally, not smug is not the right word, but equally like, hang on.
I was there from the start supporting Trump and the MAGA movement.
Now you've got all these people trotting down to Mur-a-Lago or making these huge conversions on the political Damascene conversion road.
And, you know, I think you're right to probably be a little bit skeptical.
Not of Lindy.
I've on a few times.
I'm not saying for a moment, Lindy, you're not.
I'm a nice one, Eric.
And I don't want anything out of this.
Okay, so allow me, Lindy.
Allow me.
Allow me.
Let me ask you.
So there are all these tech bros, as I mentioned, Jeff Bezos.
Even Elon Musk came over.
Mark Zuckerberg and the others that came.
And then this HB1 visa issue came up.
And all of a sudden, the tech bros departed from their support of conservative, supportive Magans, certainly supportive Trump's original sneak out on it.
And so my point is, well, be careful because they're saying they're spending a lot of money at Trump's inauguration.
The Milani's got a $40 million epic deal with Amazon.
That's great, but just be careful because you flip this way.
I could see you flipping back the other way.
Can I just say I agree with Eric?
You're stuck with me.
I'm a conservative now.
I've passed on my River Rubber McCoy.
I'm going to tell you, trust them.
Eric's right.
Don't trust them, Eric.
Eric is absolutely right.
I don't know Eric McCoy's.
Don't trust the tech bros.
Elon Musk was an Obama supporter, comes around to Trump, and now all of a sudden he's your buddy.
I would Google Rescue.
I think that's how it ends up for Elon Musk because the noblemen around the king, Donald Trump, for decades, don't like this guy showing up by nowhere.
So I think Eric's right to be a little questioning of them.
That's all I'm going to say about nothing about Lindy.
She's very nice.
I'm just saying, question some of the other ones.
They have the agenda, which is about tax cuts for the wealthy.
That's what they're about.
Dean, I want to just express my love for you.
I've always had a soft spot for you.
And I know we may not be politically aligned.
I've always, I've read your stuff.
You are very sassy.
And your attacks on Fetterman, I mean, I may not agree with it, but I respect it.
You are fearless in that regard.
Piers, this is a big day for me.
I've never been called sassy in my life.
So this is very big.
I'm going to say that.
That's what you are.
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Silver For Your Purchase00:07:26
Well, can I just say this is one of the more random starts to a debate I think I've ever had.
You've all gone off on your own little tangents.
There's some love in the room.
There's some flip-flopping in the room.
The only one who's remained resolutely silent is Julie.
So why don't I start the actual debate with you, Julie?
Good to see you again.
It's been like 10 years.
Julie, unless you want to settle any scores while you're there or bestow undying love to somebody, then we can move on.
I'm happy to bestow undying gratitude to Eric Bowling, who I used to sit next to on the Five and other shows of Fox for a long time.
And I can tell you he was MAGA from the very beginning.
He stuck by it through thick and thin when he, you know, when Trump was in, when Trump was out, Eric, you were always MAGA.
And I would say I would be a little suspicious of people who would have been with Kamala Harris had she won the election, but suddenly, as soon as somebody else comes into power, they suddenly flip and decide they're going to support Donald Trump.
So I do agree, Eric.
You know, say what you will about you.
You and I don't agree on anything, but you were misguided about MAGA from the very beginning and you stuck by it.
And I do, I'm very suspicious.
I am very suspicious of people who suddenly flip to power like moths to a flame because I'm positive, Lindy, that if Kamala Harris had won, you would be here defending her to the hilt.
Julie, there are some things that I did not know before election day.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
For example, we had no idea that they lied to us about the three to four battleground states that we were supposed to win.
That's what they told us to get us to go out there and ask friends.
Don't be skeptical.
That's what they told us.
That's what Jean-Stari.
But Lindy, that's an indie.
Lindy, hang on, that's an interesting question, though, isn't it?
If Kamala Harris had won and everyone thought, according to the polls, it was all going to be so close.
I didn't.
I went on Fox 10 days before and said Trump's going to win big.
So I'm taking the Eric Bowling victory lap on that.
However, if Kamala Harris had won big, be honest, would you now be out here as a big convert to all things Trump?
Or do you think you may have gone for the ride with Kamala?
Because that's really what Eric is getting at, which is how strong is your actual conviction?
Pierce, remember last time, the first time I was here, I've been on here three times.
The first time I was here, I was a solid Democrat.
I was trying to reform things from within, right?
By that time, I was still very much within the family.
In December, remember that interview, our segment went viral.
Why?
Because I laid out what happened to me.
I've been called a cunt and a whore.
I'm just going to say it right now.
Cunt whore bitch, whatever, Chinese spy for asking questions about what happened to the money that I raised, for asking why we double down on the women's.
Just to be clear, I'm not questioning anything that you said or that that wasn't repellent the way you were treated or any of those things, but that was all post the results.
What I mean is I tried to stay until I couldn't.
No, I get it, I get it, but that was more to do with you saying you wasted all this money and them abusing you and so on.
That's a kind of different issue.
The question, which is quite a valid one, and it kind of, you know, Eric started this and Julie's kind of cemented the questioning, if you like, which is, and that's two people from opposing sides, both equally skeptical.
If you're honest, if Carmela Harris had won, would you now be on a show like this as a die-hard pro-Trumper?
Or is it more likely, is it more likely if the Democrats had won, you'd have tried to help reform them and move forward from within, but from a winning position?
Well, what I mean is, Pierce, I tried to reform them.
I've been here for, right, in December, I was still a Democrat.
I was explaining why I couldn't be a Democrat anymore.
The egregious treatment.
I get that, but you're slightly avoiding the question, which I do think is about...
I'm trying to answer it.
Sorry.
Well, you've been accused of being a Trojan horse by Eric, but Julie has rightly pointed out from the other side.
Well, hang on.
If our side had won, right, where would you be now?
Because ideologically, it's a massive, massive move to go from somebody who supports Joe Biden and Carmela Harris to somebody who supports Donald Trump.
I've always been on the conservative wing of the party and there's a paper trail.
Five years ago, I went to war with the Bernie Bros.
That's how I emerged on the public scene.
That's how everyone, that's how I got my start.
I, as a conservative, refused to vote for Bernie Sanders because he went against everything I believed in.
I think the question, but Linda, I'm going to get asked one more time.
The question really is, would you have been identifying as a conservative if Kamala Harris ago, I was already identifying as a conservative and attacking Bernie Sanders.
No, but that's not my question.
My question was, if Karmala had won, would you now be appearing on this panel as a conservative or as a Democrat?
I would be appearing, if not as a conservative Republican, I would be appearing as a conservative Democrat, as I've always been.
I have tons of Fox News articles over the years identifying myself as a conservative Democrat.
I'm a Christian.
Come on.
I've had this around my neck for 15 years, okay?
Faith is a very, I mean, call me old-fashioned, but what is a conservative Democrat?
And aren't you either one or the other?
I'm sorry.
Well, aren't you either a conservative or a Democrat?
When I first started.
I wasn't aware of this weird hybrid where you could be both.
Well, I'm from suburban Pennsylvania.
When I first became a Democrat, it was actually pre-Obama.
We believed in middle-class values, fiscal responsibility, like moderation.
We didn't think that biological men should be in women's sports.
That's a fairly recent development, I think, like in the past five years.
I'm not in favor of that.
I think that's absolutely just lunacy.
These are recent developments.
The woke and the trans insanity, the DEI stuff.
I didn't sign up for that.
I just didn't.
And I was terrified of vocalizing my opposition.
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So out of interest, who did you vote for in the election?
In 2024?
Yeah.
I voted for one person.
I actually ignored everybody else on the ballot.
Well, who did you vote for?
Because I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Democrats.
I was so, so disgusted.
So you voted Trump?
Can I plead the fifth?
No.
I will just say that.
Let me just say one thing.
I'm so excited to visit with the Democrat.
What did you say?
Who did you vote for?
I will say that I voted for one person on the ballot.
Yeah, who?
Because I'm so disgusted with the Democrats, I couldn't vote for the vote.
Hey, who?
Who did you vote for?
Do I have to answer?
Yes.
It's uncensored.
Come on.
Spit it out.
See, I can't win with this because I raised it.
To be honest, I mean, if you're honest, you win, right?
I mean, that's.
Well, no, well, people, well, my donors and all the Democrats who accuse me of sabotage if I come on, Lindy, who did you vote for?
I voted for Bob Casey.
I didn't vote for president.
I just couldn't because I'm just so disloyal.
Well, let's get around to the camera.
Here's the thing.
I'm not speaking by the Democratic Party that I couldn't.
You voted.
You voted for.
Just stop speaking for a second.
You voted for Bob Casey, who is a member of the Democratic Party, which is the party that's one of the most conservative members of the world.
He's pro-life, famously pro-life.
I know exactly.
Sweetheart, I live, I have a house in Pennsylvania.
I actually campaigned for this.
If you're going to talk like that to me, please not a funny party.
Thank you very much.
So I'm not, I'm not.
Listen to me because you have to stop speaking for a second.
Let me be very clear with you.
You were out there until the very last second, positioning yourself as a surrogate for Kamala Harris, despite the woke stuff that you now disdain, despite the part where you, despite the fact that you think that Democrats stand for only trans issues and nothing else that apparently you campaigned on all these years for Democrats, first for Biden, then for Harris.
So the bottom line is, everything that you now disavow, you tried your very best and tried very, very hard to get in front of every TV camera that would take you to campaign for Kamala Harris, who you now claim supported trans and DI issues that you think are completely misguided.
So the bottom line is everything that you're saying now about how you're going to help MAGA means that you threw out every value that you stood for.
Because it's, you can't be aware of that.
We don't, agree.
Let me finish speaking.
I was very sad.
I was very quiet when you spoke.
Let me finish speaking.
Eric and I did not agree on it.
Okay, Eric and I don't agree on much.
We have completely diametrically opposed views.
So if I suddenly said to Eric today, Eric, I am going to campaign for MAGA and everything that you've been saying for the last 15, 20 years that I've known you, Eric Bowling.
You have been right on everything.
Eric would rightly say, Julie, you sat next to me on TV show after TV show and we argued.
I know where your heart has been.
What has changed?
And if I said to Eric, Eric, you know what?
People went on social media and called me the C word and called me the B word.
You know what Eric would do?
Eric, I don't want to speak for you.
I think you'd laugh at me because you'd say, are you really throwing away every single thing that you stood for because some Randos were mean to you on Twitter?
And that's exactly what you're saying you did, Lindy.
Absolutely not.
Hold on.
You don't know what I mean that people have.
I haven't spoken in 10 years.
So you don't even know the values that I hold.
I still very much believe that.
Oh, I've been following you.
Very hard.
Can I finish?
You asked me to finish, right?
So I'm going to finish now.
There are issues that I still, that are very, I hold dear to my heart.
And the environment is the top one.
I also believe that gun mines is a serious issue in our country.
Those things will never change.
And I hold these issues.
Just because I'm now supporting the Republicans doesn't mean that I somehow relinquish these values.
But I have been slowly shifting to the right.
Personally, there are things that have happened in my life.
There are people that I've met.
I don't want to talk about it.
But I've been shifting rightwardly.
And frankly, it's not every business.
I don't owe you an accounting of why I do the right work.
Lindy, your shift happened every day.
You've been shifting recently, but you weren't shifting when you were a surrogate for both the Democrat Party and then Kamala Harris.
Where were you?
I believe in the right to, the right to life.
Where was that four weeks ago?
Wait, I haven't said anything about the right to life.
I haven't said anything.
Wait, hold on.
I believe you just said pro-life.
Did you just say you're pro-life?
I pretty much.
What about the environment?
What about the environment?
No, I didn't say it was pro-life.
I said Bob Casey is pro-life.
I didn't say anything about abortion today.
Lindy.
Lindy, are you pushing the GOP?
Lindy, he'll baby drill.
Let me ask, Dane.
I wasn't expecting this.
This is actually a very interesting debate because this is going on a lot.
There are lots of people who are migrating, you know, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or people like that or Lindy or whatever.
It's a very interesting debate about the validity of their conversion.
So, Dean, what do you make of this from everything you've heard so far?
Look, Lindy's made her choice.
And if she's going to be consistent with her values in the GOP and try to change the GOP and be consistent with her views on saving lives from gun violence, on addressing climate change, well, that would be a good move within the GOP.
The GOP needs that.
I'm not here to attack Lindy.
That's her choice.
Mark Zuckerberg, you know, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos are billionaires with power.
They did this for a business decision.
They didn't make donations.
They made investments in Donald Trump's campaign and they expect to be rewarded.
Elon Musk with more contracts, with tax cuts to the wealthy, the billionaires class, and less regulations and allowing more mergers so they can make even more money because you're upset with Biden because FTC and DOJ slow down mergers of big corporations.
They're anti-consumer.
Probably Monk.
So Pierce, I have a different view.
Lindy's one person.
She made her choice.
She's going to have to answer for herself.
If she's truthful, MAGA will embrace her.
If not, don't reject it.
They're not dummies.
I don't believe what some people say on the left about MAGA.
They're not dumb.
They're smart.
They're dangerous, but they're smart.
To me, my pick is Terry DeLeus.
Yes.
MAGA rejects her.
Sorry, Lindy.
MAGA rejects you.
And frankly, MAGA rejects Mark Zuckerberg.
Bezos and the rest of you are going to be a good person.
Sorry, but there's a lot of more fruitful path towards Mar-Lago and the White House now than it was for.
You are not the gatekeeper of MAGA.
No one appointed you like St. Peter by the Hurley Gates.
That's not up to you.
You know who it's up to?
It's up to you.
And I have gotten thousands of letters, thousands of messages on a daily basis.
And I read as much as I can.
I have never seen so much kindness, barring these like far-right lunatics.
Eric, you're not one of them.
I actually happen to like you outside of this.
The amount of love and welcome that I've gotten from conservative Republicans is so incredible.
So incredible.
I would have so much more respect for you if you would just say, look, I've been a lifelong Democrat.
I've supported the Democrat, the Democrats.
I've worked with the Democrats.
I've raised money for Democrats, including Kamala Harris.
And you know what?
I'm not all of a sudden changed and see the light that Donald Trump is.
But I'm not so dramatically.
Give it a breath.
Give it a breath.
You're out.
I'm trying to get all hold.
Julie's right.
Everywhere that we'll host you, we'll go on CNA.
And the same you see Fox, you're all over Fox saying what a great, you know, pro-Trump MAGA personality you are right now because you're getting booked all over the place.
Give it a minute.
I've never wanted to be honest.
I've never even used that word.
So I don't know why.
Well, Trump is MAGA.
Let's be honest.
Trump is MAGA, period.
Full stop.
Most of my hits have been my criticisms of Democrats, to be honest.
I don't think I've ever been on one surface.
You're going to be booked because you're the Democrat who's criticizing other Democrats.
It's very bookable, very clickable, in fact.
But as someone on the inside of the Connecticut, I happen to have a lot to say.
I have donors who are terrified of speaking out.
I have a duty of care to say what the heck went wrong with the campaign because it was a fucking disaster.
It was a disaster.
That's different.
Now that was commendable.
Now there's a Democrat saying, we screwed up.
We need to find out what we did wrong.
Come back stronger.
Pretty much the only one saying it.
That would be admirable.
I think Lindy, Lindy, Lindy, Lindy.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Lindy, I think the point Eric is making, which is a strong one and a valid one, I think, which is you could have done all this criticism of the Democrats whilst remaining a Democrat.
Somebody who voted.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Somebody who voted for a Democrat literally just a few months ago, right?
But instead, what you want people like Eric to believe is that somehow you've been really going more and more right-wing for years.
And actually, now you're a full-on Trumper.
And he's saying, well, hang on a second.
Why did you vote the way you did only in November?
I think I'm a full-on conservative.
I'm finally free to be who I am, that I don't have to be ashamed of it because I live in Philadelphia.
It's like, it's a stigma to be a Republican here.
Yeah, but none of the panelists.
But yeah, but Lindy, when you have both Julie and you have Eric both just not buying this at all, you've got a bit of a PR problem, haven't you?
I don't need, I don't need these two lovely individuals to buy anything.
I'm comfortable with myself.
I know who I am.
I know that I'm a conservative and I've been a conservative and I've been ashamed of being conservative.
There are things like, you could go look at my old tweets.
I've never, there have been issues that I've seen.
But I'm really sorry.
Look, I'm really struggling.
If you've always been a conservative, why did you keep voting Democrat?
I don't get it.
Let's think about it.
I'm just not, I'm not just a Democrat.
I'm somebody who ran for Congress as a 24-year-old as a Democrat.
And it gave me twice.
So my question is, why did you keep running, campaigning?
But why did you keep running, campaigning?
Because I want to.
With all respect, why did you keep running, campaigning, and voting as a Democrat if you've always in the city of Philadelphia?
It's a one to eight registration breakdown.
For every one Republican, there are eight Democrats.
That is how much of a landslide it is here.
And I grew up in the age of Obama.
Like the year that I went to college was 2008.
The first year that Obama was elected.
I was 17 years old and so captivated by this man promising hope and change.
I bought into it, despite the fact that my family had reservations because my parents were very...
You understand that concern?
Like if I began all of a sudden to start Muslims for MAGA, I'm Muslim.
Dino Midal begins, Muslim for MAGA.
Love me, MAGA.
I'm now your friend.
They'd be like, you're the jackass that used to trash us on social media on MSNBC.
And I'd be like, yeah, I am, but I'm not Muslims for MAGA.
Why?
I got a book deal.
I got a TV deal.
I'm not saying that's what you're getting, but that's what we see, right?
I don't attack you.
Like, you make your choice.
You have to live with yourself at the end of the day.
It's between you and yourself.
For me, it's the big billionaires who are going to get more money at our expense that really upset me.
But you can see the hesitation.
And you saw it online, Lindy.
There are people, Democrats who are not crap posters, like you call them, but really like stunned by what you've done.
And this transition from a big cheerleader on our side to now attacking us and once up on the other side.
Again, you have to live with that.
But I think Piers has done a good job.
You probably should have brought legal counsel here, Lindy, for this who could object to the call.
I'm a lawyer.
I could object if you want.
Wink at me and I'll say objection.
But I think it's a problem for either side to believe you right now.
That's the reality.
That's the truth.
I'm not being miserable.
Thank you for being a single, by the way.
Thank you for not being acerbic.
Can I please finish Julie Ryzinski?
Is it Ryzinski?
I don't know.
But I go ahead, Lindy, Lee.
In terms of Republicans, if you're going to pile on anyone who's willing to help you win the midterms, willing to do what they can, willing to hear you out and learn more about where you're coming from, no one's going to come over.
But why should Lindy?
Lindy, again, with the optics of this, why should the Democrats listen to someone who says, I've been a secret conservative the whole time?
I mean, I'm done with them.
They don't need to listen to me.
I don't need them.
No, but why should they take any advice from you anyway, since you've now admitted you've always been a secret Republican?
You just happen to.
I spent how many months trying to give them advice.
November, December, they didn't hear a thing.
The DNC chair, two months, responded to my criticisms, in response to my criticisms, attacked me saying that.
When did you attack Carmela Harris before the election?
I raised concerns about her internally.
No, but publicly.
Publicly, when did you attack Biden or Carmela before the election?
On July 21st on Fox News Sunday was just a matter of time.
No, no, not after Biden had gone, but while he was still before he was gone.
While he was still the leader of the party.
While he was still the nominee, did you attack Biden while he was still nominee?
Yes.
When?
And consistently throughout the month of July, at the 20th century.
And when he was nominee, not after he stood down.
Yes, exactly.
I urged him to step aside.
Yeah, but that was after the debate and everything blew up.
I'm talking about before that, when everybody knew that this was a massive lie being perpetrated on the American people.
That Joe Biden, I wrote columns for two years for the New York Post saying this guy is not fit to be president.
He's not mentally or physically fit for the job.
And then I kept hearing the Democrats collectively telling me, no, he's never been sharper, throwing huge fundraisers.
This guy's on top of his game.
He's great.
He's killing it.
And then we saw the debate that the whole thing had been a total lie and he had to go.
And then Carmela Harris is coronated for some bizarre reason.
And that turns out to be an even bigger desire.
Well, hang on, hang on.
My point is that in your conversion, you're now saying that even though you voted Democrat in the election, the entire time, you've been a closet conservative.
And I think that both Eric and Julie are right to raise a very skeptical eyebrow about it.
I'm not, with all due respect, I'm not beholden to these wonderful people.
I'm comfortable with myself.
This is just who I am.
What are you, Lyndy?
Lindy, what are you really?
I mean, be honest.
I'm a conservative.
I'm not really.
But since when you voted Democrat on November the 5th.
For an extremely conservative Democrat, Bob Casey, do you know him?
He's one of the most conservative.
Oh, he was.
He's a Democrat.
Bob Casey was known as a moderate center-right candidate.
He and his family have been there for decades.
Go ahead.
You had a more conservative option, though, Lindy.
You had a more conservative option, though, Lindy, and you chose not to exercise it, right?
You could have voted for the Republican.
But to get back to what you said.
Who made a fortune working with China?
I don't think so.
Working, I don't think so.
And I know Bob Casey.
So to get back to what you were.
Okay, so to get back to what you were saying, you were not the only Democrat who was criticizing the party.
I criticized the party in a clip that actually went spiral.
Part of the fact that America has known me a long time.
I've never, I've never been shy.
I'm sorry.
You're the only person from the campaign who, after the campaign, criticized the campaign.
Is that what you're saying?
Because I could probably provide about 20 memes as soon as we get off the air.
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The second thing I would say.
The second thing that I, the second, yes, half the people that worked in the campaign.
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The second thing that I would say is that you have to, you, you, you, you, but Lindy, here's the problem.
Here's, here's, let's, here, here's, you are not at the top level.
I'm sorry to say you were a donor.
The National Finance Committee.
You're not sitting in the room making.
You are on the congratulations.
You're on the National Finance Committee because you raised different bucks.
We honestly refuse to take any accountability for what went wrong.
To this day, we have not received a careful accounting of how they set $2.5 billion on fire.
Don't even get.
I mean, come on.
And let me tell you something.
And let me tell.
Lindy, you gave money.
Lindy, you gave money.
You weren't happy about how it was spent.
I gave money.
I wasn't happy about how it was spent.
Nevertheless, here's the difference between you and me.
You said you pointed out two issues that you said that you care about.
Gun safety is one and climate is the other.
If those are the two issues and the hill that you're choosing to die on, how in the world are you supporting somebody who talks about drill baby drill all day long and talks about the fact that they want unfettered gun access for anybody who wants it, right?
Now you're saying you're going to elect MAGA candidates to further the MAGA agenda.
That MAGA agenda is completely contrary to the two issues that you said today that you still care about.
So forgive Eric Bowling for being a little skeptical.
I didn't mean for being a little skeptical about it.
I didn't care about from the conservative side that far outweigh the two that I mentioned.
I agree with conservatives on everything else.
I think what happened on the borders is an absolute sin.
I think Biden's betrayal on the border.
So why did you campaign for Kalma Harris unforgivable as a naturalized citizen myself?
So why did you campaign for Kyle Harris?
And I've been fuming about this for years and I've been, I vocalize this.
We should not have just elected when my family, like people like naturalized immigrants like myself, we follow the rules.
We didn't, you know, jump the line.
We created hundreds of American jobs over the years.
This is how immigration should be done.
We shouldn't just offer asylum to any foreigner that wants it.
I feel very, very strongly about this.
So why were you, why were you, why were you, why were you in the campaign for Kalmo Harris?
Why did you, I mean, everything you're saying now was apparent to people who on the other side who agree with you back before the election.
So why in the world you just proudly touted yourself as somebody in the NCAA?
Explanation is why would you get on the internet?
I was beginning to, but you interrupted me earlier.
But I, yes, you did.
And you keep doing it.
Tell us.
All right.
May I speak?
May I speak?
All right.
When I first became a Democrat, it was in the age of Obama.
Okay, so there you go again.
I was two seconds in and you're interrupting me already.
May I finish?
All right, let's start again.
So when I first became a Democrat, it was in the age of Obama.
I was captivated by him, captivated by him, absolutely obsessed.
And that was during my most formative age.
Okay.
And then I ran shortly thereafter.
I was, I mean, I was running for Congress.
I was 24 years old.
I didn't know a different world.
It wasn't conceivable for me to be a Republican.
Princeton was extremely liberal.
I mean, everyone knows that Philadelphia is extremely liberal.
Being our own personality.
But what's that got to do with what happened in the last year when you're much older?
I don't get it.
What is your obsession with Barack Obama?
You know, all that time ago.
It was 2008 when Barack Obama ran.
But I'm explaining why.
Well, the question is why I was a Democrat in the first place, right?
It doesn't make it.
Look, none of it really makes sense, I don't think, to the left or the right.
You're now strongly conservative.
But anyway, look, Eric, final word on this to you before we change the fact of the actual device.
Yes, okay, that wasn't the question when you became a Democrat.
You're allowed to change your mind.
My concern, my suspicion is that you found it a much more lucrative path to become a MAGA Republican after Donald Trump.
But not a single word about DEI, about wokeism, cancel culture.
None of the things that pissed off every single MAGA person for the past four years did you open your mouth about until after the election.
No, no, no, Google me.
I am begging you to read my Wikipedia page.
I am all about cancel culture and just the perils of it.
That was actually one of my things.
Eric.
And so you were okay with Kamala Harris's position on cancel culture, woke, DEI, pro-DEI.
Absolutely not okay with this.
I felt like we had no choice but to support her because in this party, in the party of woke, you can't skip a black woman.
You know, they, it just, that's the truth.
We had a lot of people.
So you were, so you were so, hang on, just to be clear, you were so against wokeism and DEI and everything else that you felt compelled to vote for a woman who happened to be a woman.
I didn't vote for her.
I just told you I didn't.
Well, you voted for a Democrat.
You felt compelled to raise money for her.
Why would you raise money for her?
Nobody for nobody put a gun to your head, Lindy, and told you that you had to be in the inside of the campaign that you now tout being on the inside of.
Nobody told you to be a fundraiser in the National Finance Court.
You could have not done any of it.
This is my world.
You have to understand it's this is my life.
All my friends are Democrats.
I just left all my friends behind.
This is not easy.
I just left this church.
Lindy, let me ask you, are you making a ton of money out of this?
Absolutely not.
I haven't made a single dime.
I'm a donor.
I haven't made a single dime.
So when you appear on TV, you don't get a fee or anything?
What'd you say?
When you appear on television, you don't get a fee or anything.
Do you want to pay me today, though?
No, absolutely not.
But have you got a book deal?
Have you got a book deal about why, about your position?
No, I just want to be me.
I'm financially independent.
I'm good.
I just want to be me for the.
Do you know what me is, though, Lindy?
That's the big question.
You really know what me is.
I absolutely do.
I'm conservative.
I'm a conservative.
Me went to vote for a Democrat on November the 5th, and me is now saying I've been conservative all day long.
Honestly, my vote for Bob Casey was out of friendship.
I've known this guy for a long, long time.
So he's a fundamental decent guy.
So you were introduced by Barack Obama.
You're obsessed with him.
That's why you became a Democrat.
And then you voted for Bob Casey because he's a mate.
There's not much political conviction here, is there?
It's basically whether you're...
No, I actually think my decision not to vote was a huge act of conviction.
It was rebellion.
It was my, because Pennsylvania is extremely crucial.
I, my decision not to vote was significant in itself.
That's certainly not pro-Trump MAGA.
That's certainly not pro-Trump MAGA.
And I to this day, I am not MAGA.
I'm just conservative.
There you go.
So.
Wait, Lindy, Lindy, Lindy.
Why in the world?
She's not Democrat.
Did your friends very fluttered?
No, nobody's obsessed with you, but you raised this issue.
Why in the world?
21 minutes.
Did just friends tell you?
I don't know what to tell you.
Did your friends put a gun to your head and tell you to raise money for the Democratic Party all these years?
Did your friends say we're not going to be friends with you anymore?
This is just my world.
What's your world?
It's the world that you raise.
It's a world that you raise.
They did beg me to raise money.
They came over.
They wanted to.
You could say no.
They pressured me.
I'm telling you.
I'm sorry.
I actually, frankly, enjoyed it.
What are you trying to get in bed with you?
I'm good at it.
I raise a lot of money.
I have a lot of wealthy friends.
You raise a lot of money, Lindsay, for a party you say that you don't agree with.
You're a conservative and always happy.
Here's the question.
Why would you aggressively raise money for a very left came on the show?
Democratic Party.
Here's the first time I came on your show.
I was still a Democrat, determined to reform the party.
I soon realized that they're not open to reform.
They don't want to change.
They want to double down on identity politics.
We had Jamie Harrison going out there two weeks after the election saying, we got to double down on that.
The one thing that distresses me the most about this is that you misled donors to support Vice President Harris, saying you were supporting her, and then you didn't vote for her.
And to me, that's the most troubling thing in this entire conversation.
Oh, no, wait, your donors don't.
Your donors don't vote for it.
You're on the fundraising committee.
Wait, you're raising money.
You're going to people, give money to Vice President Harris.
She's the best candidate and come to election day.
You don't have to vote for her.
You should apologize to the people who donated on behalf.
Listen to your play and gain money.
I'm serious.
That's the only thing it's not personal.
That's the only part of the story.
They're my personal friends.
They're very, they're proud of me for what I did.
We're standing up for them, asking out of interest, out of interest.
None of them want to get anymore.
How did you persuade your donors to give the money if you didn't tell them positive things about Kamala Harris?
I'm really curious.
Yeah.
How did you do that?
I earnestly believed during the campaign that the Democratic Party would provide the most stable and stable and most numerous opportunities for the American economy because that's actually where the focus of my donors are.
They work on Wall Street.
They're business people.
They work in finance, Silicon Valley.
They just want a stable and prosperous economy.
That's her number one priority.
And I, given the facts at that time, I thought that's what Kamala Harris would offer.
Really?
Absolutely.
I mean, just given the facts.
What changed?
That she lost?
What changed?
After November 5th, what changed?
Just that she lost?
As a campaign progression, you realized November 15th.
She didn't care.
She spent a month hiding from the press and wouldn't do any interviews at all.
She refused to distance herself from one of the most unpopular presidents in history.
She just wasn't able to make a say that publicly.
I'm sorry.
Did you publicly stand up and say to your donors?
Did you publicly stand up?
No, I would never mean that.
I never puzzled from trapping a campaign like that.
Absolutely not.
Why not?
Why not?
If you disagreed with her, if you think that she was wrong and the people who were in the middle of the time, why not do what you did?
It actually could matter.
And they just didn't listen.
All right, but did you tell the campaign that you were a secret conservative the whole time?
They know that I'm conservative.
Everyone knows I'm a conservative Democrat.
I went to the war.
I went to war with Bernie Bruce.
Who did you tell that?
Who did you tell me?
This phrase conservative Democrat.
I've never heard of it before.
What is a conservative who's also a Democrat?
Do you want to see a paper trail of me saying that i'm a conservative Democrat over the years?
Do you want to see?
I don't even know what the phrase means I mean.
Do you mean someone?
Do you mean a moderate Democrat?
Or, because a conservative is, is a Republican right can go.
She can go to whoever wins.
She can go to that side.
I'm a Democratic.
It's like a Clinton Democrat.
You know someone who's very conservative on social issues, but Clinton wasn't a conservative Democrat, he was a Democrat.
I think in today's, by today's standards, he's very much a conservative.
I just say, even Barack Obama remember Barack Obama?
He was against gay mirrors.
Conservative Clinton Democrat00:15:25
It sounds like which, given what you've been saying about this issue.
It sounds suspiciously like you want to be politically fluid, which is a very no, i'm a very wokey thing to be doing, isn't it?
Eric Bowling?
Are you're?
You're stuck with me now i'm gonna be like one of those.
I don't think I wouldn't put money on that.
I've got a bit anyway.
Look, we have spent 45 minutes discussing.
Uh, we've got 15 minutes left.
Why don't we just try and talk about what you were all booked?
I'm gonna say it's been.
It's been a fascinating examination of somebody's.
Can you trade this?
Someone to the left?
Can we get someone from your side?
Can we pick someone like a draft choice for later?
Could we?
We've traded around there's a meme someone like, we trade a Lindy Lee for Laura Loomer.
You guys can have Laura Loomer, we don't want Laura Loomer.
No wait wait wait, talking about that, and Eric doesn't seem to want you.
Right was my my, my cohort on the right side for me they're calling, is not a gatekeeper.
All right, let me, let me.
All right, let me wrestle back the original purpose of booking you all, which is because it has been fascinating.
I've got to say, from the moment you went with the trojan horse off the top there Eric, we were off and running and actually it's a very interesting debate because a lot of people Lindy, as you know, have been debating your credentials and your credibility and stuff.
I think we've we've got to the heart of a lot of this.
You've now said how you voted.
I think that in itself is very interesting, so people can make their own minds up.
Um, let's just turn uh Eric, to the big story right now, which is Ukraine, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump uh, Jd Vance Europe.
Um, there's a big meeting going on in Saudi Arabia between Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and the secretary of state, Marker Rubio uh, but no official Ukraine presence there.
Um, what's your overview about this?
Because what i've been really struck?
You talk about people flip-flopping.
It's not a flip-flop allegation i'm going to make, but i've been really struck and surprised by how many in the MAGA movement seem quite relaxed about the idea of letting a Russian dictator invade a sovereign, democratic European country and just walk away with what he took.
And I i'm i've been following the whole debate now for two and a half years with great interest, thinking it's so.
It's so unusual to hear people on the right who appear that relaxed about what's happened here.
So the over overview of the, the overview picture of it is, Donald Trump promised to end this war if he were elected, and he's doing everything he promised to the best of his ability.
I think this is a fantastic opportunity.
Rubio's becoming a great statesman, a great diplomat in a very short period of time.
Steve Witkoff is a known awesome negotiator.
You negotiated part of the ceasefire.
What about my question?
I think this is a great, I don't think there's any inconsistency whatsoever in what's going on with Trump reaching out to Putin first, making sure the one that really is holding the cards in all this.
And then, you know, this is a precursor for a Trump-Putin meeting, this meeting and so on.
But out of interest, do you think it's right that Putin should be able to take what he's taken?
Should he keep the land he's taken?
I think the Ukrainian people should be allowed to vote on that.
I think the Crimean people would, and basically did, would.
And I think some, you know, if the Crimean people were allowed to vote after they got invaded.
Yeah, but I think it's a bit like the voter.
It's a bit like how Putin manages to win thumping wins in his own elections.
It ain't necessarily a free, fair election, Eric.
Right, right.
And by the way, Pierce, you know, you're very astute.
You're handsome.
You're smart.
You're successful.
You're wrong on this one.
It's not America's job.
But why am I wrong?
Why am I wrong?
Because it's not our job to make sure that Ukraine stays independent from Russia.
I'm a believer of let Europe do it.
It's Europe's responsibility, more so than our responsibility.
And, you know, I find it very interesting that the Jewish prime minister.
Okay, but let me ask you a question I asked Tucker Carlson that he struggled with.
Is it therefore by the same ideology, the same thinking, is it America's job to help Israel take on Hamas, which is what they're doing to the tune of billions of dollars worth of support?
A different situation because the Middle East is a likelihood of another world war would more likely happen emanating from the Middle East than from Russia, Ukraine.
So of course we want a strong Israel.
They're the eyes and ears amongst some very, very rabid Arab people, people who hate the West.
They hate Israel.
They hate the West.
I think it's very, very smart to make sure that Israel is your friend and strong.
So you support America.
So just to be clear, you support America backing Israel in that war.
You do not support America supporting Ukraine anymore.
Out of interest, did you support, for example, General Norman Schwarzkopf and the Allied forces kicking Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait?
No.
I'm generally against foreign wars that don't directly affect us.
And why I say directly, I would say Israel being eliminated from the Middle East would directly affect us.
If Russia takes Ukraine back, I don't see how it drastically affects.
And what if Putin?
What if Putin then goes and attacks Poland or a NATO country?
Right.
And it gets into the NATO discussion.
And I agree with Trump on NATO.
NATO should be strong.
We'll support NATO, but we shouldn't be the, you know, your setup piece or I believe said we're supporting NATO to the tune of almost 20%.
Well, that's a different issue.
Let me bring in the others here.
I mean, Julie, my position about NATO, Trump's been bang on about NATO from the start.
It is ridiculous that America basically has over two-thirds of the cost of NATO and that most of the other countries have not paid even their basic 2.5% of GDP due.
That is completely outrageous.
And Trump has been right.
And as a result of what he's been saying for eight years, they're now paying a lot more money and they should be paying a lot more.
I don't see why America should always have to be the cop that comes along helping everyone in Europe if they're not going to pay enough for their own defenses.
So that to me is a different issue.
But I just think, Julio, I don't know what you think, but it seems to me there is an inconsistency here between not wanting to let Israel fall, but happy to let Ukraine, which has been independent since the mid-90s, is a sovereign democratic European country, quite happy to let that go, or at least large chunks of it, to a marauding Russian dictator.
I can tell you, 25 years ago, that would not have been the position of the right in America at all.
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Well, I actually agree with you for once, Pierce, on everything.
I think that the Europeans should contribute more to NATO.
I think actually Trump was right about that.
But I also think that what's happening right now is very akin to what happened in 1938 when we had a Munich peace agreement called Peace in Our Time, when your former prime minister came and declared that he was going to have peace in our time.
The Czechs had nothing to do with it.
Dayton land was given to the Nazis.
And effectively, what ended up happening?
It never stopped there.
Then they got together, the Russian, the Soviets, and the Germans, and invaded Poland.
And that's how World War II began.
And that is what's going to happen now.
And take it from me, who was born in the former Soviet Union, who is a Russia expert, take it from me that Vladimir Putin is not going to stop.
If you think, Eric, that he's stopping at Ukraine, he's not.
He's going to keep going to the Baltics because he believes that the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
He's going to first want all the other 13 republics back.
In addition to Ukraine.
And then he's going to want to go.
And then he's going to want to, and they're in the...
He can't even get Ukraine without a negotiated deal with Trump.
Because we've been giving them weapons, Eric.
If we stop.
Because, Eric, Eric, we've been giving them arms.
The minute we stop, he's going to continue and he's going to take the Baltics.
And those are NATO countries.
And then we're really screwed.
So I'm telling you right now, the way we should have stopped Hitler in 1938 is the way that we should do it.
Ukraine's NATO country.
Of course it is.
We don't have a treaty to protect Ukraine.
What's the old line about he's going to keep going?
There's that Churchill line about appeasement, isn't it?
People who feed the crocodile because they hope the crocodile will eat them last.
Let me bring in Dean here.
I mean, you know, it seems to me that very sadly, I've been to Ukraine, interviewed President Zelensky there.
I've four months after the war started, I saw the resolve and heroism of the people as they incredibly, heroically stood up to the much bigger and more powerful American force, which everyone thought would roll them over in a few days.
And here they are two and a half, nearly three years later, and they haven't done that.
But they are going to have to give up, almost certainly, a large amount, maybe 20, 25% of their land.
And it's not a question, as Eric said, of giving, you know, of Russia taking back what was theirs.
The Soviet Union was broken up and it became an independent, democratic country with an election that supported this overwhelmingly.
So this idea that somehow Russia's entitled to it, I think is for the birds.
But we are where we are.
And actually, Trump, one of the best things about Donald Trump is he is a man of peace.
He's not a warmonger at all.
In fact, quite the opposite.
So when the left attack him, I'm like, well, hang on.
This is a guy who's who literally is wedded to peace.
Now, the question is, how does he forge that peace?
And how does he avoid letting Vladimir Putin declare it as a huge victory and feel emboldened, like Julie said, to, in my view, inevitably go and try and take something else?
Donald Trump saying he's for peace is laughable at this point.
I don't know what Donald Trump was in the past.
It's the same Donald Trump, Piers.
Now, last month said he wants to say Canada, Greenland, Panama, Canada.
That's not war.
What are they going to hand him to us?
He's going to do a deal.
He's an imperialistic president.
He can make a deal with Putin selling out Ukraine to semi-Neval Chamberlain sold out China.
But how would you settle it, Dean?
Out of interest.
You don't have to.
Out of interest.
You bring Ukraine.
You bring Ukraine in.
He's already said he's going to.
Trump said liberalized.
Yeah, they're negotiating.
Look, Pierce, we have a more recent example than Julie Parker of Great 1938.
This is a more recent one.
In 2020, Donald Trump negotiated with the Taliban.
He cut the Afghanistan government out.
He made the deal that led to the Taliban ultimately taking control.
He said, no, the pull-out was during Biden.
Well, hang on.
Sorry, Dean, and Kier Sturmer today.
You're fine.
Dean, last time I checked.
Dean, hang on.
Last time I checked.
That's the reality.
Hang on, hang on.
Last time I checked, Donald Trump had been out of office for seven and a half months when that catastrophic withdrawal in Afghanistan happened, right?
It was on Joe Biden's.
Hang on, hang on.
Dean, let me finish my point.
Let me finish my point.
Hang on.
Then there was a catastrophically badly handled withdrawal.
And that, I'm afraid, is on the president at the time, which was Joe Biden.
So trying to pass all that buck to Trump is ridiculous.
I would say, how many wars did Donald Trump start in those four years as president?
Answer, big fat zero.
Very unusual for an American president in the last 60 years, by the way.
Right?
So give him some credit.
Give him some credit where it's true.
He's very imperialistic.
I've never seen the American president talk about other lands taking them.
Really?
I've never heard an American president talk about wanting to...
Greenland, Panama, cannot be.
What if Denmark in the end?
Okay, well, hang on, hang on.
What if Denmark in the end says, you know what?
If the deal's right, you can have Greenland.
That's different.
That's sick, but he won't even rule out military.
He didn't rule out anything.
He never does.
This is dangerous.
I know, but that's not what you do.
You're a president of the United States of America.
You're supposed to be in the world stage.
He is not an isolationist.
He is realigning with the autocrats.
We should all see this.
He's realigning with the political political.
Actually, I don't think he is doing that.
But let me bring in.
All right.
Let me bring in Lindy.
Lindy, I mean, rather like your own politics, rather like the political arena with all the left coming to the right, the right moving around and so on.
People's views of this is not as clear-cut as it used to be.
Used to be, if you're on the right, Russian dictator bad.
Everyone has to be protected from Russian dictator.
Those days are gone.
A lot of conservatives in America now are quite happy if the support for Ukraine stops immediately.
And if that means Putin takes a third of the land, well, so be it.
Where do you sit with this?
Are you with your new conservative friends or are you with your old leaders?
This is really, really tough for me because I hate spending billions of dollars on Ukraine, especially given the deep craft and corruption.
Did you see that Zelensky said a couple of days ago that he doesn't even know where the billions went?
But I asked him about that.
He didn't mean it the way it then got reported.
He clarified to me in a long interview exactly what he meant, which was that there had been supposed reports of him getting $170 odd million billion dollars.
And in fact, he'd only received $70 odd billion dollars.
Not that it had gone missing.
He just hadn't been given it by America in the way it had been reported.
Darling Pierce, are you really going to tell me that billions haven't been wasted over there?
If you're going to complain that Julie...
Hang on.
If you're going to complain, Julie calls you sweetheart, you can't call me darling.
Sorry.
I'm just saying.
Them's the rules, Lindy, that you say literally about an hour ago.
That this comedian can, you know, properly handle the billions that we poured over there.
On the other hand, if we do not protect Ukraine, what are we going to do when China feels embodied to go after Taiwan?
That is my concern.
I don't want to set a press.
Well, then it sounds like you're being a bit fluid about this too.
So what is your view?
It's just very complicated.
I'm just laying out the facts.
I haven't made a decision on where I'm just saying that on the one hand, I'm extremely skeptical and not very happy about how Zelensky handled this situation.
On the other hand, we need to show China that we're serious, that they cannot bully Taiwan, that we are going to stand up for Taiwanese independence.
And Xi Jinping is watching extremely carefully.
So just to be clear, then should Putin be allowed to keep the land or not?
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Yes or no?
The fact that Ukraine isn't even allowed at the table is a shame.
They're going to be at the table.
They're not categorizing what is happening in Saudi right now as the Ukraine-Russia war peace talk.
They're doing it about Russia-American relations and talking about that.
Trump was asked yesterday specifically when it comes to peace talks, will Ukraine be included?
And he said yes.
So again, with Trump, I always say, I've known him a long time, just try and actually listen to what he says and then what happens.
You know, often they're not the same thing.
But yesterday he made a commitment.
Ukraine will be at the table when they get round to the peace talks.
And I hope I didn't hear that.
And by the way, they should be.
They should be.
They should be there.
And Europe should be at those peace talks too.
There should be Europe, Russia, Ukraine, and everyone should be involved.
And of course, the United States.
Eric, I want to segue from this into, just quickly, into Doge.
I've got to say, I'm in London at the moment, coming to America soon.
I found it exhilarating to watch the federal government, a bloated, overspending, absolutely ludicrous mess, having a scalpel taken to it with a forensic brain like Elon Musk, who's done this to big companies, including his own social media platform where he fired half of them overnight.
And guess what?
It carried on seeming as a user myself without any apparent difference.
I would say it's slightly better now, X, than it was before, in terms of being fair to people.
But in Doge, are you worried at all that he's an unelected official?
He's behaving like an adjunct to the president himself and seems to be acting with complete impunity and doesn't really believe that any of this needs to be cleared in advance by Congress.
In fact, he thinks you can just do it.
And then if you face legal challenges, well, then you fight those.
Are you comfortable with that?
Would you be comfortable if the Democrats were doing this with, say, the old Zuckerberg who was left-wing doing what Elon's doing?
So I don't think you would be.
Yeah, no, I'm very comfortable with it.
Pierce, in the first three weeks, they've uncovered billions of dollars of waste with USAID.
We just found almost $2 billion of waste in HUD.
I can't wait to see what the Pentagon audit returns.
It could be hundreds of billions of dollars.
It's a long time coming.
No other politician has ever been able to do it.
You know, why?
Because no other politician, certainly in our lifetimes, has had the mandate and the political bank account.
Let's call it political currency that Donald Trump has.
And he's spending it by saying, look, I'm bringing on Elon Musk.
It's a little unorthodox, but he's finding a lot of savings.
And here's a theory.
I gave this to Trump on Friday.
Doge will find so much money.
It's the opposite of government spending.
Government spending causes inflation.
Doge will reduce inflation by reduced government spending and everyone will be better off.
I think this is phenomenal.
I don't think they're violating everything.
There are a lot of people who serve at the pleasure of the president.
I mean, Julie, Trump obviously has exacerbated the left's concerns by posting he who saves his country does not violate any law, a quote often attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte.
I mean, when he says that, you know, this makes people think he doesn't care about the legality of what's going on here.
But I don't think it is really what he's saying, because what he's saying is we can be challenged.
And if we're challenged successfully in the courts, I will abide by, again, you said this the other day, I will abide by what the judges say, which I thought was a significant clarification.
But what do you feel about this whole thing with Elon and the Doge and the Rampage?
Well, first I would say that Napoleon was also considered a savior of his country until he was actually a traitor, deemed by the same people that thought he was a savior and died and ended his days, you know, in penury and St. Helena.
And so I guess that's the fate that might eventually befall Trump if he keeps acting like a dictator, like Napoleon.
The bottom line is Congress has the power of the purse.
And Elon Musk, who is unelected, unvetted, has no business whatsoever looking at my tax information, which the Washington Post today just announced that he actually has.
He has all of our tax information.
He has absolutely no right to look through people's social security numbers and other proprietary information.
He is nobody in the government to be able to do that.
And Eric, I can only imagine if Joe Biden had done this with one of his biggest donors.
I think so.
Imagine if George Soros, imagine it.
Imagine if George Soros suddenly came in and said, Eric Bowling, I have access to your tax information.
Eric, I have access to social security and Medicare information.
You would go.
Eric would lose.
His brain would explode live on a nonsensive brain explode.
And then I would say, but Eric, George Soros has been so successful.
He's made so much money.
Therefore, he, of course, he knows money better than all the rest of us.
Of course he should be in charge of my life.
We've got to wrap it up very, very quickly.
Sadly, U.S. default taxpayers.
Sadly, we have to wrap things up.
I want to just go to Dean very, very quickly, Dean.
Are you as against this as Julie is or not?
Of course I am.
I believe in the constitution.
And the idea, he said Pierce is using a scalpel.
They're laying off 200,000 workers for just who've not been for one year or two years at their job.
Wait to people quote Social Security because they didn't get their check and there's no one there.
Or Medicare to get approval for Medicare coverage and there's no one there.
Or FEMA, they need disaster relief and no one picks up the phone.
USAID, people talk about the foreign aid part.
Wait till it affects people domestically and see the backlash you're going to see in America to that.
So I'm looking forward, unfortunately, to that.
And laying off 200,000 people, these are real people.
These people want to be career public servants and serve our nation to help us.
And now they were just cut because Elon Musk whimsically goes, you're gone like a king.
There's no compassion or concern for the people who will be affected with the loss of jobs or those the loss of services.
And those are the American people.
So it's going to be good along with that.
We've got to leave it there.
Thank you, panel.
It went in a very different direction to how I anticipated it, but I think we'll make a bit of news.
And it was great having you all.
Thank you very much.
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