Uncensored - Piers Morgan - 20241204_does-hunter-bidens-pardon-prove-donald-trump-right
Aired: 2024-12-04
Duration: 01:08:31


=== Biden Lied Repeatedly (05:56) ===

[00:00:01]  If he would have said, I love my son, it's my only surviving child from my first marriage, I honestly don't know many Americans who would disagree with him.
[00:00:07]  But that's not what he said.
[00:00:09]  Hunter's laptop tells you the story.
[00:00:10]  You don't have to be a journalist.
[00:00:12]  Do you actually support what Biden has done?
[00:00:15]  Absolutely, 100%.
[00:00:16]  Wow.
[00:00:17]  Guys, oh, my beeper is going off.
[00:00:20]  Jourduski's a bitch.
[00:00:22]  Oh.
[00:00:23]  This isn't going to be a very bad reputation of female comics.
[00:00:26]  People already don't think are funny.
[00:00:29]  I raised millions of dollars for that campaign.
[00:00:32]  I did not find out until after she lost.
[00:00:34]  2.5 million was spent on Oath Rock.
[00:00:37]  Opportunistic grifters like Lindy Lee, who has posited herself as someone who actually cares about American democracy.
[00:00:43]  No one has to pay you.
[00:00:44]  It's all about influencer domain, right?
[00:00:46]  Now you're changing your story.
[00:00:47]  Don't you destroy it?
[00:00:48]  That was fun.
[00:00:49]  Is it like that every night here?
[00:00:50]  It can be.
[00:00:50]  It can be.
[00:00:54]  With a single flick of his presidential wand, Joe Biden protected Hunter, his son, from ever facing federal charges for any crimes he committed or even may have committed over more than a decade.
[00:01:05]  The sweeping and extraordinary breadth of this magic trick has staggered supporters and opponents alike, even casting a spell of silence over the most notable defenders of the indefensible.
[00:01:17]  I got nothing for you on that.
[00:01:19]  Would I pull up on that?
[00:01:20]  Are you concerned with the lack of transparency, lack of honesty around Biden's decision department?
[00:01:25]  As I said, I got nothing for you on that.
[00:01:34]  Thank you.
[00:01:34]  I've got nothing for you on that.
[00:01:38]  But the question is, we've talked about January 6th pardons.
[00:01:42]  This is a playbook for incoming President Trump.
[00:01:45]  Isn't this a problem?
[00:01:46]  Did he not establish a bad precedent for pardons?
[00:01:50]  I got nothing for you on that.
[00:01:52]  Any other subjects?
[00:01:53]  Never thought the day would come when Chuck Schumer had nothing for us.
[00:01:57]  Nothing.
[00:01:58]  But what could he say?
[00:01:59]  This is the problem for the Democrats.
[00:02:01]  There are no other subjects right now that anyone wants to talk about.
[00:02:05]  And there will be no other subject when the outrage machine sputters into life to ransack President Trump's waiver pardons in the new year, which is inevitable.
[00:02:13]  Even Gavin Newsom has broken ranks, telling Billico that he took Joe Biden at his word and cannot support the decision.
[00:02:19]  In other words, he trusts him, trusted him, got lied to, and feels betrayed.
[00:02:23]  It's a total subjugation of the Democratic moral high ground.
[00:02:27]  A rout.
[00:02:28]  Just a few wearied soldiers remain wandering listlessly across a deserted battlefield.
[00:02:36]  But I wonder to understand why lie about it for so long.
[00:02:42]  I'd stop calling it a lie.
[00:02:44]  No, Whoopi, it is a lie.
[00:02:46]  And Biden lied and lied and lied himself.
[00:02:50]  And he told his press secretary, Corine Jean-Pierre, to go to the White House press room and lie to the world's media again and again and again.
[00:03:00]  This wasn't an accident.
[00:03:01]  It wasn't something he suddenly thought of.
[00:03:03]  He'd obviously always planned to do this.
[00:03:06]  But Biden repeatedly and emphatically said to the world on camera, he would not pardon Hunter, his son.
[00:03:14]  He was the adult in the room, the last bastion of democracy and constitutional norms, the staunchest defender of a justice system that treated everybody, as he said, as equals under the law and that nobody would be above the law, except, as it turned out, his own son.
[00:03:33]  Biden lied because it's an election year and the hypocrisy is inexcusable.
[00:03:38]  Yes, of course, you are the poor aforementioned Corrine Jean-Pierre.
[00:03:42]  You have said repeatedly yourself since the election, the president has said for months, no pardon was coming.
[00:03:48]  I just, I wanted to ask you, could those statements now be seen as lies from the American people?
[00:03:54]  Is there really a credibility issue here given now this announcement?
[00:03:57]  First of all, one of the things that the president always believes is to be truthful to the American people.
[00:04:03]  That is something that he always truly believes.
[00:04:06]  And if you see the end of his, I assume that you've read his statement and you look at the end of that statement and he actually says that in the first line and the last paragraph.
[00:04:19]  Unbelievable.
[00:04:20]  Here is that last paragraph.
[00:04:22]  Biden said for my entire career, I've followed a simple principle, just tell the American people the truth.
[00:04:27]  Here's the truth.
[00:04:28]  I believe in the justice system.
[00:04:30]  But as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and led to a miscarriage of justice.
[00:04:38]  There's an old shortcut in journalism.
[00:04:39]  If you want to cut to the actual truth, don't believe anything before the but.
[00:04:45]  You can't simultaneously have faith in the justice system and believe that everyone is beholden to the law, but also believe it's corrupted and beholden to politics.
[00:04:54]  Joe Biden flew 7,000 miles away from this crisis of his own making to give a speech in Angola.
[00:04:59]  Luckily, it won't take him long to get home.
[00:05:03]  I'm probably the most pro-rail guy in America.
[00:05:08]  I've ridden over a million, 300,000 miles on a daily basis to my work, 210, 20 miles a day for the last 50 years.
[00:05:16]  Well, I didn't do it as president.
[00:05:18]  I stayed in the White House a lot.
[00:05:23]  You didn't travel 1.3 million miles a day, did you, Joe Biden?
[00:05:30]  It's embarrassing.
[00:05:31]  This is the leader of the free world still.
[00:05:33]  This is the president of the United States.
[00:05:35]  As I speak, there's breaking news.
[00:05:37]  Apparently he's fallen asleep during a meeting with African leaders in Angola, the Telegraph and Forbes, both reporting he was visibly dozing.
[00:05:47]  It's a farce.
[00:05:49]  But it's worse than that, because Joe Biden presented himself as the opposite of Donald Trump, who he called a liar, a hypocrite, a shameful opportunist.

=== The Heart Sinks Prediction (12:45) ===

[00:05:57]  We all remember what he called Trump.
[00:06:00]  And then, by pardoning his son and making him above the law and making him unaccountable to the law, Biden proved himself to be a liar, a hypocrite, and a shameless opportunist.
[00:06:13]  I think I speak for both Democrats and Republicans when I say that January the 20th can't come soon enough.
[00:06:19]  What do you mean I'll discuss all this?
[00:06:20]  It's the founder of the 1776 Project PAC, Ryan Gurduski, the streamer Destiny, the co-host of Verdict with Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson, and host of the obituation podcast, Francesca Fiorentini.
[00:06:32]  Well, welcome to all of you.
[00:06:33]  Destiny, let me start with you.
[00:06:37]  You got anything, or are you taking a Chuck Schumer defense?
[00:06:41]  No, I think if a pardon is going to exist as a presidential power, I think this is the perfect time to use it.
[00:06:46]  Really?
[00:06:47]  Even when you've told the world repeatedly, I'm not going to do that, and that everyone should be able to do it.
[00:06:52]  I think if Biden made a mistake, I think the mistake, if Biden made a mistake, it was to say that he wasn't going to do it, especially after seeing the nomination of people like Kash Patel.
[00:07:00]  I think it is absolutely in good prudence to use it here rather than allow Hunter Biden to be the subject of infinite investigations for the next four years of Trump's presidency.
[00:07:11]  You mean how the liberals put Trump through all the criminal investigations?
[00:07:16]  Well, no, because Trump has criminal immunity from the Supreme Court and all of his federal court cases are now dismissed and the case in New York never had a sentencing and probably won't get one.
[00:07:24]  So no, that wouldn't be the same thing.
[00:07:26]  You seem very phlegmatic about all this, Destiny, when inside you must be hurting.
[00:07:32]  Because what Joe Biden has done with one flick of his pen is he has taken away all the high moral ground that the Democrats could have had against Trump for the next four years.
[00:07:44]  Because Trump can now pardon who the hell he likes.
[00:07:47]  He can pardon every January the 6th protester.
[00:07:50]  And he can do it in the sure knowledge that the moment people like you go, this is an outrage, how can you do this?
[00:07:55]  He goes, you know what?
[00:07:57]  At least they went to prison.
[00:07:59]  Hunter Biden didn't do it.
[00:08:03]  Two of the easiest questions in the world.
[00:08:04]  Kieris, one, if he doesn't hunter, if he doesn't pardon Hunter, do you think that influences Trump's decisions at all and who he pardons next?
[00:08:11]  That wasn't what I said.
[00:08:12]  I said it removes, it removes your ability to absolutely answer number one first.
[00:08:20]  Come to number two.
[00:08:22]  Let me answer number one first.
[00:08:23]  In answer to number one, in answer to number one, my point to you was: if he does, and I'm sure he will, you on the left have absolutely no way to now play the high moral ground because your guy, the president, did it even worse.
[00:08:42]  What is that?
[00:08:43]  What is the high moral ground?
[00:08:44]  We're down a Supreme Court pick.
[00:08:46]  We lost the 2000 presidency to another Supreme Court.
[00:08:49]  The president now has infinite criminal immunity.
[00:08:52]  What is the moral high ground gotten the Democrats up to this point?
[00:08:54]  There's no point in engaging in norms when only one side upholds the norms.
[00:08:58]  And to say, you want to talk about a farce, to pretend that Donald Trump's future pardon decisions are going to be based on who Biden decides to pardon is hilariously stupid.
[00:09:06]  And if you want to talk about pardons, something that you never will hear, why not talk about some of Trump's pardons?
[00:09:10]  How much time do we give to the pardon of Bannon or Stone, who was pardoned for crimes that were literally covering up other crimes from Donald Trump?
[00:09:17]  How many people care about that?
[00:09:18]  Nobody.
[00:09:19]  Where's the accountability for that?
[00:09:20]  Nowhere.
[00:09:20]  You know what's the result of those investigations?
[00:09:22]  They're all canceled.
[00:09:23]  So I don't want to hear anything about Hunter Biden's pardon.
[00:09:25]  It's a joke.
[00:09:26]  How many days in prison did Stone and Bannon and those guys do?
[00:09:31]  I'm pretty sure, didn't Stone get clemency before he ever stepped foot in prison?
[00:09:34]  Yeah.
[00:09:35]  He was sentenced to 40 months in prison and then the day before he got clemency.
[00:09:41]  Also, forget Stone, man.
[00:09:42]  Forget Stone.
[00:09:42]  It's not about how much time did Stone spend in prison.
[00:09:44]  It's about Donald Trump evading responsibility and culpability because Stone didn't have to testify about him.
[00:09:49]  He said it publicly.
[00:09:50]  He said, oh, Donald Trump, why would I squeal on the president?
[00:09:53]  And then he didn't say anything to Congress.
[00:09:54]  He told another witness not to.
[00:09:55]  And then when he got convicted of all those crimes, Trump said, oh, I'll pardon him.
[00:09:58]  So I don't want to talk about Hunter Biden's part.
[00:10:00]  It's an absolute joke.
[00:10:01]  But of course, the reason that Joe Biden, let me bring in Ben Ferguson here.
[00:10:06]  The reason that Joe Biden seems to have started this wide-ranging, all-encompassing free pass for Hunter from the year that he began a barisma, where he had no experience to be earning a million dollars a year on the board of an energy company in Ukraine when Joe Biden was the vice president,
[00:10:22]  literally put in charge of American-Ukraine relationships, is that it may well cover other crimes that may have been committed in relation to that, which might have led to the big guy, as people have reported, who might end up being Joe Biden.
[00:10:36]  So in a way, you know, he's providing a blanket immunity, which I know Destiny's very upset about immunity, to the Biden family here.
[00:10:45]  Yeah, look, I think Hunter Biden's pardon was much more than just Hunter Biden.
[00:10:51]  Forget the corruption of Hunter Biden for a second.
[00:10:53]  I think this is the pretext, and I'm going to make a prediction here, to a mass amount of pardons that are about to be coming down from this White House in the closing days of this administration because they put together a list of people they believe have probably broken laws.
[00:11:07]  They put it out there in the media over the last 24 hours, and they're justifying his brother and anybody that took money with the Biden last name, anybody that was corrupt at the FBI, anybody that was going after Donald Trump, the list, and they're trying to say that it's somehow Donald Trump's enemies list, so therefore we are justified in handing out pardons to everyone that was involved in the Biden crime family or abusing their power to go after Donald Trump.
[00:11:34]  And so I don't really care that much about Hunter Biden's pardon.
[00:11:37]  Of course, this was always going to happen.
[00:11:39]  This is a man that abused his and exploited his own son's addiction to make the Biden family more money.
[00:11:45]  They didn't give a crap about Hunter Biden.
[00:11:47]  They knew they were funneling money to a drug addict and they knew that could cost him his life.
[00:11:52]  didn't care because they wanted the money to keep coming into the Biden crime family.
[00:11:56]  I actually feel sorry for Hunter Biden.
[00:11:58]  I feel sorry for a guy that has a father and family members that say, we've got an alibi.
[00:12:04]  He's a drug addict.
[00:12:05]  We'll say that's the excuse for the crimes that we're committing and the money laundering that we're doing and all the bank accounts and all the money coming in from Romania and Ukraine and coming in from China and from Russian oligarchs.
[00:12:18]  And they said, this is how we get away with it.
[00:12:21]  We'll sell out America, the highest bidder, to the most corrupt people in the world, and we'll get away with it by saying, oh, he was a drug addict.
[00:12:28]  He didn't know what he was doing.
[00:12:29]  That is abuse of a child.
[00:12:31]  It's really sad.
[00:12:32]  Okay, Francesca, you've been grimacing there, but are you grimacing because in your heart, you know that Joe Biden has done a massive disservice to everybody on the left here with an act of utter selfishness?
[00:12:46]  Oh, I'm grimacing just because I was imagining Ben Ferguson and Ted Cruz putting out a joint holiday card, and I was wondering if they wear matching pajamas when they do that.
[00:12:56]  Do you guys do that, Ben?
[00:12:58]  I don't understand exactly what it is.
[00:13:00]  Is it how it is the idea that you have a president that abused his power and exploit his son's drug addiction, put his life to make money?
[00:13:10]  I read the Chinese Christmas card.
[00:13:12]  Oh, I heard the charge.
[00:13:13]  That's why I was smiling.
[00:13:14]  I mean, Piers was asking me why I was smiling, but in my heart of hearts, Piers, oh man, I wish I could give you just the tiniest little violin so you could strum it there in your studio talking about the death of democracy.
[00:13:26]  You know why Biden pardoned his son?
[00:13:29]  It was to troll you.
[00:13:30]  It was to troll everybody.
[00:13:32]  And you know why he didn't?
[00:13:34]  He said he wasn't going to and then he did.
[00:13:36]  Because he doesn't.
[00:13:36]  He didn't control me either.
[00:13:37]  He sold out America.
[00:13:38]  He didn't control me.
[00:13:40]  What he did was he trolled, he trolled his own side because you all queued up to defend him.
[00:13:45]  He's not going to be president.
[00:13:46]  He was the good.
[00:13:48]  In all the debates we've had this year, he was the good guy.
[00:13:52]  Trump was the liar.
[00:13:53]  Trump was the hypocrite.
[00:13:55]  Trump was the shameless guy.
[00:13:56]  Trump was the nepotism guy.
[00:13:58]  And then in one moment, Biden proved actually he's just as bad.
[00:14:03]  He's exactly the same.
[00:14:06]  And he will weaponize.
[00:14:07]  How is that comparable?
[00:14:08]  How is it comparable to Bannon or Stone?
[00:14:10]  Sorry.
[00:14:10]  And the idea that he is using the idea of the justice system being weaponized against his family is laughable given that Biden has helped direct the weaponization of the justice system against Trump for all of us.
[00:14:24]  There's no proof of that.
[00:14:25]  Do we just lie here?
[00:14:26]  Is this just a show where we just tell lies?
[00:14:28]  Why is the lie word?
[00:14:30]  Where is the meeting where Joe Biden directed the DOJ to do anything?
[00:14:33]  Where is that?
[00:14:34]  Well, you think the entire weaponization of the American justice system against Trump in the last year, Biden had no involvement whatsoever.
[00:14:43]  Do you have proof of that?
[00:14:45]  I don't need proof of it.
[00:14:46]  It's obvious.
[00:14:47]  I do.
[00:14:48]  Okay, so hold on.
[00:14:48]  So it's so obvious.
[00:14:49]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:14:50]  So to be clear, it's so obvious that this DOJ is being politicized and used by Joe Biden, the same DOJ that went after his son?
[00:14:59]  The same DOJ that appointed a special prosecutor when Biden had classified documents?
[00:15:03]  What are we even talking?
[00:15:04]  Do we even know how the government works in this country?
[00:15:06]  What are we talking about right now?
[00:15:07]  All right, let me bring it up.
[00:15:08]  So they gave him a sweetheart.
[00:15:10]  Wait, Piers, we got to go back to the fact that the only reason why he was actually prosecuted was because he was given such a ridiculous sweetheart deal that a judge actually stood up and said, this is abuse of power.
[00:15:23]  I'm not going to accept it from Biden's Department of Justice, saying, this is something I've never seen before.
[00:15:30]  It is unprecedented.
[00:15:31]  No, I'm not going to allow a deal for Hunter Biden that is this sweet.
[00:15:36]  No, I'm stopping it.
[00:15:38]  And he stood up to the Department of Justice under Joe Biden, who basically said, we can do whatever the hell we want.
[00:15:44]  We can sell out as much as we want to to the worst actors in the world, including Russian oligarchs who are best friends with Vladimir Putin that gave millions of dollars to Biden crime family and then funneled it through shell companies with 150-plus suspicious activity reports that were reported from American banks.
[00:16:02]  Convicted of?
[00:16:02]  Ben, Ben.
[00:16:03]  I'm not talking about Roger Stone.
[00:16:05]  I'm talking about the British talks of America weaponizing the DOJ.
[00:16:10]  Okay, let's not all talk over each other.
[00:16:13]  Don't talk over each other.
[00:16:14]  Let me ask Francesca.
[00:16:15]  Francesca, be honest with yourself, though.
[00:16:17]  When you heard that Biden had done this, didn't your heart sink?
[00:16:21]  Why do you keep talking about my heart?
[00:16:23]  I don't.
[00:16:24]  I don't care about your heart.
[00:16:26]  I'm all hard.
[00:16:26]  Again, again, I'm thinking about Christmas cards here.
[00:16:29]  No, but Ben keeps talking about Russian oligarchs.
[00:16:31]  Do we know why Roger Stone and Paul Manafort?
[00:16:33]  Hang on, can you answer my question?
[00:16:36]  Sorry, look.
[00:16:36]  I want to take this back the old-fashioned way.
[00:16:38]  We have a panel.
[00:16:40]  I'm the moderator.
[00:16:40]  I asked the question.
[00:16:42]  Hang on.
[00:16:43]  Francesca, why are you ducking my question?
[00:16:45]  Just be honest.
[00:16:46]  Sorry.
[00:16:47]  I'm sorry.
[00:16:47]  What are you saying?
[00:16:48]  What's in my heart?
[00:16:48]  My heart is he did it to me.
[00:16:50]  I said, did your heart sink when you heard he'd done it?
[00:16:53]  Because you knew in that moment, all the high moral ground the left have had all year with Trump, it disappears.
[00:16:59]  Absolutely not.
[00:17:00]  Right.
[00:17:01]  And if you agree.
[00:17:02]  No.
[00:17:02]  No, that's my answer, Pierce.
[00:17:04]  Even when he lied repeatedly that he wouldn't do it.
[00:17:06]  Even when Garine Jean-Pierre repeatedly lied that he wouldn't do it?
[00:17:10]  No.
[00:17:11]  No.
[00:17:11]  Even when she dismissively, arrogantly put back the Fox News guys and Pete Disney.
[00:17:19]  How dare you keep asking to go?
[00:17:22]  No, you see, but here's my problem, Francesca.
[00:17:24]  Here's my problem.
[00:17:25]  Why are you interrupting me, Piers?
[00:17:26]  You're just, you ask me a question.
[00:17:28]  I say no.
[00:17:29]  Then you have a problem with my answer.
[00:17:31]  Let me explain why no instead of keep interrupting you.
[00:17:34]  Okay.
[00:17:35]  Okay.
[00:17:36]  The reason is, is that Hunter Biden has never done anything to me, right?
[00:17:40]  Meanwhile, Steve Bannon defrauded the American people with a fundraiser.
[00:17:45]  Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, is it PJs or is it holiday sweaters?
[00:17:50]  You tell me.
[00:17:53]  Paul Manafort lied.
[00:17:55]  Paul Manafort lied to the FBI.
[00:17:59]  Paul Manafort lied to the FBI.
[00:18:01]  Roger Stone also lied to the FBI about being a background.
[00:18:05]  Talking about Joe Biden.
[00:18:07]  Piers Morgan.
[00:18:08]  Let me finish.
[00:18:08]  Answer my question or I'll note that.
[00:18:11]  She won't answer the question, Pierce.
[00:18:13]  She doesn't know how to answer.
[00:18:14]  Can both of you have to do that?
[00:18:15]  All you can do is talk about Roger Stone and I swear to God.
[00:18:20]  I swear to God, dude.
[00:18:21]  Like being on this program with Best Boy and with Dingleberry over here on the Trump administration, that's you, Piers.
[00:18:28]  You've reached your final four.
[00:18:29]  Dingleberry.
[00:18:29]  That's just one of the little dingleberries in Trump's diaper.
[00:18:33]  You're right there.
[00:18:34]  And it's so sad for you, Piers, because now that Trump won re-election, he's definitely never going to do your program.
[00:18:41]  And that sucks so hard.

=== Why Pardons Are Coming (15:35) ===

[00:18:43]  Like, doesn't that make you so sad?
[00:18:45]  Yeah, we're going to be able to do that.
[00:18:46]  You're not going to get an appointment.
[00:18:47]  I'm not going to be like you, Francesca.
[00:18:49]  You're not even going to get invited to Mar-a-Lago.
[00:18:51]  Francesca, actually, I was yesterday.
[00:18:53]  It doesn't matter.
[00:18:54]  And I will get an interview with Trump, probably at the White House.
[00:18:57]  And when I do, I'll invite you.
[00:18:58]  You can come and meet him.
[00:19:00]  No, thanks, my guy.
[00:19:01]  No, you want to do that?
[00:19:02]  Let me bring in Ryan here.
[00:19:05]  Look.
[00:19:06]  Ryan.
[00:19:06]  Yeah.
[00:19:07]  It seems to me that the Democrats, liberals generally, have gone into a weird kind of collective anaphylactic shock, which has now been massively exacerbated by what Biden's done.
[00:19:19]  Because the truth is, the truth is they cannot handle the fact that this guy they spent all year calling a fascist, a Nazi, the new Hitler, the biggest bigot in the world, blah, blah, blah, has won literally across the board everything.
[00:19:34]  It's set them all slightly nuts.
[00:19:36]  And people like me who basically are in the middle of the world.
[00:19:39]  I'm a kind of centrist, slightly liberal guy, right?
[00:19:42]  I'm not a Trump dingleberry.
[00:19:44]  I've just warned the liberals for years this was going to happen.
[00:19:48]  And now it's happened.
[00:19:49]  They want to blame me.
[00:19:50]  And I'm like, I did try and tell you.
[00:19:55]  Right.
[00:19:55]  I mean, if you look at the Trump victory overall, there's a wide range of why he lost from woe culture to racism, misogyny.
[00:20:03]  I mean, it runs the gamut.
[00:20:04]  But what's really interesting about this pardon is what Biden is saying in the pardon versus what Democrats who are supporting Biden and protecting Biden or making excuses for him are two entirely different things.
[00:20:17]  Biden is saying that what Trump has said for years is true, that there is politicization inside the Justice Department.
[00:20:25]  And that is a damning account because politicization of the Justice Department was completely a partisan issue.
[00:20:31]  Democrats for four years said it wasn't happening.
[00:20:33]  Republicans said it was happening.
[00:20:35]  And here's the Democratic president saying, no, it happened, but it happened against my son.
[00:20:39]  I think that the scope, I don't, I don't, listen, if he would have said, I love my son, it's my only surviving child for my first marriage.
[00:20:45]  I honestly don't know many Americans who would disagree with him.
[00:20:48]  I would feel sympathy for it, but that's not what he said.
[00:20:51]  And the scope and the length into which he has given this pardon 11 years for almost actually for everything.
[00:20:58]  It is a full pardon for anything.
[00:21:00]  It draws the question, what else was he doing?
[00:21:03]  There was $24 million from foreign countries, including adversaries, through 20 shell companies.
[00:21:09]  There's probably more.
[00:21:10]  There was the issues of Hunter receiving millions of dollars in free legal services, in representation.
[00:21:18]  There were probably appointments.
[00:21:19]  And where does it end?
[00:21:21]  Okay, Destiny, here's the problem.
[00:21:23]  I'm just curious.
[00:21:24]  Because I don't know all the time.
[00:21:25]  Do the people who cover politics, are these like actual news people?
[00:21:28]  Like, what is the background here on this?
[00:21:30]  What's your point?
[00:21:31]  When you have people talking about the story, we have a laptop.
[00:21:34]  The Democrats have a laptop.
[00:21:35]  Just go look at his laptop.
[00:21:36]  He gave you all the info.
[00:21:38]  Hunter's laptop tells you the story.
[00:21:39]  You don't have to be a journalist to tell me.
[00:21:41]  Where are the story?
[00:21:41]  Where are the charges?
[00:21:42]  Hey, where are the charges?
[00:21:43]  Ben, I mean, where are the charges?
[00:21:45]  They've been investigating Hunter Biden for four years.
[00:21:47]  Where are the charges?
[00:21:47]  I thought we were going to get impeachment charges from Jim Jordan.
[00:21:50]  Where are the charges for Hunter Biden?
[00:21:51]  That's a great question.
[00:21:52]  I can answer that because that's what they're saying.
[00:21:55]  The DOJ made sure that the statue of limitations on the worst crimes that dealt with the tax issues were outside the statute of limitations.
[00:22:05]  So if you go talk to a lawyer, they'll explain what that means to you.
[00:22:08]  But the DOJ is a lot of people.
[00:22:09]  I don't need to slow the lawyer.
[00:22:10]  I'm not investigating.
[00:22:13]  You ask the question.
[00:22:14]  You ask the question.
[00:22:15]  You said, where are the journalists?
[00:22:16]  You just made it.
[00:22:17]  I'm answering the question.
[00:22:19]  You're telling me the FARA violations?
[00:22:21]  He's illegally expecting foreigners.
[00:22:25]  He never registered the private sector.
[00:22:27]  Don't take over each other, please.
[00:22:28]  I'm going to finish it again.
[00:22:29]  He never registered as a foreign agent and the statute of limitations that ran out on that for what was going on.
[00:22:35]  He never dealt with the tax issues and didn't have to because we know deliberately that they purposely slow played to make sure the worst crimes were going.
[00:22:44]  And the DOJ did this.
[00:22:45]  The timeline is clear.
[00:22:47]  They would expire so they couldn't charge him with those crimes.
[00:22:50]  The reality is the reason why the Biden administration is now having to go back and say who else needs a damn pardon is because there was people abusing their power to make sure that the only two crimes that they charged Hunter Biden with could not be connected to the big guy.
[00:23:07]  The gun charge didn't connect the big guy to any actual crime.
[00:23:10]  And that's a fact.
[00:23:11]  And the tax charges where they did charge him dealt outside of any of the money coming in from the money laundering.
[00:23:17]  So the Department of Justice ran interference and said, we'll make sure we investigate this.
[00:23:23]  Oh, crap.
[00:23:24]  The statute of limitations ran out.
[00:23:26]  Even if we wanted to charge him, we couldn't charge him with the crimes.
[00:23:29]  And that's why the White House is saying, holy crap, who the hell needs another pardon here?
[00:23:34]  It's that last charge.
[00:23:36]  Easy question for you then.
[00:23:37]  Easy question for you then, right?
[00:23:38]  So the reason why Mueller was appointed was because an actual obstruction of justice was Donald Trump firing Comey to try to stop the investigation into his illegal.
[00:23:46]  They have the right to say that.
[00:23:47]  It's on Twitter.
[00:23:48]  Can you tell me one?
[00:23:50]  What was the equivalent action on the White House and their influence on the DOJ?
[00:23:54]  Give me the equivalent action.
[00:23:55]  Where is the intrusion of Biden into the DOJ?
[00:23:59]  All right, I'll answer the question simply.
[00:24:01]  If you understand presidential powers, you would understand that you serve at the pleasure of the president and the president had the right to fire James Comey whenever he wanted to and he should have done it day one, but he went against his advisors when he did that.
[00:24:11]  James Comey, by the way, laughed on TV about sending in FBI agents because the Trump administration was too trusting, too new, and too green to Washington to go after General Flynn to try to get dirt on Donald Trump.
[00:24:26]  You have nothing on stage.
[00:24:28]  You have nothing.
[00:24:28]  Flynn lied to the FBI.
[00:24:31]  That's no idea that you want to defend Donald Trump or you can't be meddling in the DOJ.
[00:24:35]  There is no equivalent to that on the Biden White House, which is why what you just said was a bunch of nonsense.
[00:24:39]  Then why are they talking about getting pardoned so many people?
[00:24:44]  Answer me this question.
[00:24:45]  Hang on.
[00:24:47]  Hang on.
[00:24:47]  Answer this question then.
[00:24:48]  Hang on.
[00:24:50]  Destiny.
[00:24:51]  You say that the Biden administration has done nothing to meddle with the DOJ.
[00:24:56]  He has literally pardoned his son, who's been convicted of criminal offenses.
[00:25:02]  That's his.
[00:25:03]  Why did you just say big go?
[00:25:04]  What do you think a pardon is?
[00:25:05]  How is a pardon meddling in the DOJ?
[00:25:07]  You don't think he's meddling with justice?
[00:25:09]  Because the DOJ and the judge even said yesterday that this was the most despicable abuse of power.
[00:25:14]  Go listen to what the judge said.
[00:25:16]  He was not a conservative judge who wrote a scathing rebuke of the Biden administration's abuse of power after there had been a conviction for his son.
[00:25:24]  Go read what the judge wrote and you might have to do it.
[00:25:26]  I'm sorry.
[00:25:28]  When does a pardon happen, if not after a conviction?
[00:25:30]  What do you think a pardon is for?
[00:25:32]  Is every single pardon?
[00:25:34]  My point, my point, please, please, let me say this.
[00:25:38]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:39]  Listen to what you're saying.
[00:25:41]  Listen to what you're saying.
[00:25:42]  You just said that you only give a pardon when someone's been convicted.
[00:25:46]  If that was true, they wouldn't have just given a 10-year absolute pardon to Hunter Biden for a bunch of crimes he committed in case he is actually investigated for the damn crime.
[00:25:58]  The whole point of issuing that pardon is to make it so that you guys can't spend the next four years playing Hillary's emails with Hunter Biden.
[00:26:06]  That's the whole point.
[00:26:07]  You shouldn't have to worry about it.
[00:26:09]  Like you tried with Hillary, like you tried with Ben Ghazi and failed over and over and over again with all these bullshit investigations.
[00:26:15]  Like you've done now with Hunter Biden.
[00:26:16]  Destiny.
[00:26:16]  Like you did with Penn Star and Bill Crayon.
[00:26:18]  Destiny Biden is Hunter Biden.
[00:26:20]  I mean now what do you think about it?
[00:26:21]  Hang on.
[00:26:22]  Hang on.
[00:26:22]  Destiny.
[00:26:23]  Destiny.
[00:26:23]  To be clear.
[00:26:24]  Destiny.
[00:26:25]  Just going to bring charges to Joe Biden and ask nothing.
[00:26:28]  But here you are.
[00:26:30]  Same lies about the Biden crime family.
[00:26:32]  Destiny.
[00:26:33]  Hang on, please.
[00:26:34]  Can I get involved here?
[00:26:36]  Destiny, a question for you, which is Gavin Newsom, who was one of the most vocal supporters of Biden, even when everyone else was chucking him under a bus.
[00:26:45]  Even he has come out and said he cannot support this decision.
[00:26:48]  Do you actually support what Biden has done?
[00:26:51]  Do you support Jonathan?
[00:26:52]  Absolutely.
[00:26:53]  100%.
[00:26:54]  Wow.
[00:26:54]  So actually, in the end, you do support lying, screwing up democracy and shamelessness and obstructing justice.
[00:27:01]  You support all those things.
[00:27:03]  No.
[00:27:04]  Pardon Hunter Biden of what Donald Trump.
[00:27:08]  It's not even close.
[00:27:09]  And if Trump had done this to the same thing, Trump had done this to Donald Trump Jr.
[00:27:13]  You just said the complete opposite.
[00:27:15]  Anyway, look, let me segue this.
[00:27:16]  In Donald Trump's administration, after they tried, after the traitors, okay, over here that support Donald Trump tried to overthrow the government in 2020, after they tried to overthrow the government and failed, people like Eastman and Giuliani were asking to be put on the pardon list.
[00:27:29]  All right, okay.
[00:27:31]  Okay.
[00:27:31]  They were involved in the J-6 attack.
[00:27:33]  And guess what?
[00:27:34]  When he does, Piers, you're going to have a 20-minute segment on it, and you're going to move on to see if you can dig up something else about Biden's peers or Conre Harrison.
[00:27:42]  I'm just saying it's sad because you guys are all just jealous that Trump massively endowed and jealous of the power.
[00:27:46]  Sorry, hang on.
[00:27:47]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:27:49]  Francesca, sorry, what was that?
[00:27:52]  I was just saying, I mean, you know, the only crime, I guess, in Ben's eyes that Hunter Biden really committed was showing just how well endowed the Biden family is.
[00:28:00]  And I can see from Ben's perspective how that, you know, might feel like, you know, a crime.
[00:28:09]  As a woman, you shouldn't understand that they were women.
[00:28:13]  I don't think so.
[00:28:14]  I was like, were they selling teenagers and trafficking now?
[00:28:19]  We are trafficking women and getting them addicted to drugs.
[00:28:21]  Yeah, that's a mistake.
[00:28:23]  If you want to say that that's good, that's on you.
[00:28:27]  Look, here's the difference between the pardons between Trump and Joe Biden, right?
[00:28:32]  Number one, Joe does this to troll y'all, and so you have something to talk about.
[00:28:35]  But number two, the people that Donald Trump pardoned not only included everyone who allowed and helped him to back channel with the Russian government in the 2016 campaign, like Paul Manafort, like Roger Stone.
[00:28:49]  We're back to Russia collusion.
[00:28:51]  They didn't even get in trouble.
[00:28:52]  Are we really back to Russia collusion?
[00:28:54]  One of the great lies.
[00:28:56]  We're back to Russia collusion, which was one of the great laws.
[00:28:59]  Jared Kushner's father, Charles Kushner.
[00:29:02]  Charles Kushner is now going to be the ambassador to France.
[00:29:05]  He also pardoned theory now.
[00:29:07]  He also pardoned the Blackwater employees who murdered 14 unarmed Iraqi civilians that we know about thanks to Chelsea Manning whistleblowing, right?
[00:29:18]  And to WikiLeaks.
[00:29:20]  He pardoned those monsters.
[00:29:22]  He's pardoned a lot of people.
[00:29:24]  And so those people arguably have had more impact on my life than Hunter Biden and his laptop and $1.4 million in tax evasion peers.
[00:29:33]  You know, you do that like on a Tuesday.
[00:29:35]  Come on.
[00:29:36]  Wait, hang on.
[00:29:37]  Guys, oh, my beeper's going off.
[00:29:41]  Jorduski's a bitch.
[00:29:43]  Oh.
[00:29:44]  Jorduski, I think this is for you.
[00:29:47]  This is maybe a very bad reputation of female comics who people already don't think are funny.
[00:29:52]  I don't know.
[00:29:53]  I think the problem right now is that.
[00:29:54]  Except I just owned your ass.
[00:29:57]  But you look really cute and you're sitting there.
[00:29:58]  You didn't.
[00:29:59]  You made a very lame joke that was like three weeks old.
[00:30:02]  Congratulations.
[00:30:03]  You're very funny.
[00:30:05]  Oh, I thought you were making it now with the Biden.
[00:30:09]  Sorry, Destiny?
[00:30:10]  Okay.
[00:30:12]  Will the two mega people here?
[00:30:13]  Will you guys defend when Donald Trump pardons the January 6th rioters or anybody that was convicted in connection to the January 6th stuff?
[00:30:20]  If he goes for the seditious conspiracy people, will you defend that pardon?
[00:30:22]  Ryan?
[00:30:24]  I've said this before.
[00:30:26]  Let me bring it in.
[00:30:26]  Let me bring Ryan in.
[00:30:27]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:30:28]  Let me bring Ryan in on that one.
[00:30:31]  I think with the January 6th, you're talking about several hundred, if not several thousand people.
[00:30:36]  And I think the question is, I don't think that he should pardon anyone who did something violent.
[00:30:40]  I don't think that attack, but I do think that when you look at the sentencing and how some January 6th people have been treated is remarkable considering some people have solitary confinement for months on end, people are treated much worse during a January 6th of DNA than a murderer.
[00:30:55]  So I do think that depending on what they are accused of and what they have been tried on, I think a pardon could be warranted.
[00:31:02]  I don't think that anyone who violently attacks somebody should be pardoned, though.
[00:31:07]  So if they go to pardon the people convicted of seditious conspiracy that weren't involved in direct violent activity, you would support those pardons.
[00:31:15]  I'd have to see the individual case.
[00:31:16]  I don't really know.
[00:31:17]  Particularly, it's not my beat.
[00:31:19]  You don't know about the seditious conspiracy charges.
[00:31:21]  Some of the first in decades.
[00:31:23]  It's unbelievable.
[00:31:26]  I just said I'd have to look.
[00:31:28]  I just said I'd have to look at them and want the Hunter Biden pardon.
[00:31:32]  What an incredible reading about the individual cases before you decide.
[00:31:37]  I'll tell you what, let Ben answer Destiny's question.
[00:31:41]  Yeah, I'll go back to this.
[00:31:42]  If you look at each and every case and you look at how they were throwing the book at everybody, there are different people that did different things.
[00:31:49]  If you attacked a police officer, you deserve to be in jail for that.
[00:31:52]  If you're an 87-year-old grandmother that was walking around outside the Capitol and they hunted them down and put him in jail and they didn't do anything violent, you do not deserve to be in jail for that, even if you're charged with the word seditious in any of the complaints.
[00:32:05]  There are different cases and different people.
[00:32:08]  And there was clear abuse of power where they walk in, they said, anyone that we got that day or anyone we have on video, even if they were non-violent, even if they weren't doing anything, even if police officers let them into the Capitol on video, they overcharged them.
[00:32:21]  And there are many people that deserve to be pardoned.
[00:32:23]  If you attacked a police officer, if you broke through a door, if you were doing things like that, you absolutely deserve to be in jail for that.
[00:32:31]  And it goes back to an idea.
[00:32:33]  You look at each case individually and you decide based on each case individually before you do a pardon.
[00:32:39]  That's what I'm in favor of.
[00:32:41]  It's not insane to say I would want to look at each case to see what they actually did compared to what the government lied and said they did.
[00:32:49]  There's a big difference.
[00:32:50]  Okay.
[00:32:51]  Okay.
[00:32:51]  Hang on.
[00:32:52]  Hang on, please.
[00:32:53]  I'm going to bring in Lindy Lee.
[00:32:55]  Is it on your beeper?
[00:32:56]  Hang on.
[00:32:56]  Is it on your beeper?
[00:32:57]  You're going to say?
[00:32:57]  Hang on.
[00:32:58]  Hang on.
[00:32:58]  Read your beeper again.
[00:32:59]  Hang on.
[00:33:00]  I'm going to bring in Lindy Lee.
[00:33:01]  I'm bringing in Lindy Lee, a member of the DNC Finance Committee who's been highly critical of the Harris campaign.
[00:33:06]  Lindy, good to see you again.
[00:33:09]  Thank you so much.
[00:33:10]  Yeah, where are the Democrats, Lindy?
[00:33:12]  I mean, after the Joe Biden pardon, this is probably the last thing Democrats would have wanted on God's earth.
[00:33:20]  I'm going to have to agree with you.
[00:33:22]  This is 11 years.
[00:33:23]  The pardon covered 11 years.
[00:33:26]  It was sprawling.
[00:33:27]  And I think, you know, the next one we should watch for is possibly him pardoning James Biden because 11 years not only covered, you know, his presidency, but also his VP time and also Hunter's time during burisma.
[00:33:41]  And it's just so incredibly ironic.
[00:33:42]  And I'm just speaking as a Democrat that even Democrats and members of the intelligence community said that laptop was just a made-up story.
[00:33:51]  Now, with in one fell swoop, Biden basically proved his haters right that there was something in that laptop.
[00:33:57]  And I hate to say it, but it's just true.
[00:33:59]  This is just a black eye to.
[00:34:02]  And by the way, by the way, on the laptop, let's not forget the New York Post had the laptop scoop, and liberal control big tech at the time, including Twitter, Facebook, and others, they suppressed that story from being published.

=== The Laptop Election Impact (02:01) ===

[00:34:18]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:34:20]  In fact, the New York Post, because I write columns to the New York Post, for two weeks before that election, their whole Twitter account was suspended because they refused to take down a legitimate true story, as it turned out.
[00:34:34]  That is an appalling attack on free speech, an abuse of the First Amendment.
[00:34:39]  And actually, it could have swung the election.
[00:34:41]  Who knows?
[00:34:42]  If that laptop story had come out and been properly forensically examined by the media, it could have tipped the election in Trump's way.
[00:34:47]  40,000 votes.
[00:34:49]  40,000 votes in the end decided that later.
[00:34:51]  So hang on.
[00:34:52]  I'm still with Lindy.
[00:34:54]  I'm still with Lindy, Francesca.
[00:34:55]  Wait one moment, please.
[00:34:57]  Just play with your buzzer for a moment.
[00:34:58]  Thank you.
[00:34:59]  Lindy, here's my point: it's not just about Hunter Biden being dragged into something.
[00:35:05]  The laptop contained evidence of crimes and it was suppressed from the media in that two-week period before that election.
[00:35:14]  And that is a much bigger picture than whether Hunter Biden got pulled into politics.
[00:35:19]  Right.
[00:35:20]  And I think this is not just an act of love.
[00:35:23]  It wasn't just a father's compassion.
[00:35:24]  It was almost perhaps even an act of self-preservation because we don't know what happened in those 11 years.
[00:35:30]  has covered everything from 2014 to December 1st, 2024.
[00:35:36]  So this whole thing is gigantic.
[00:35:38]  And I think in the next couple of weeks, we're going to see more pardons coming out.
[00:35:42]  I think this is really just the tip of the iceberg.
[00:35:44]  My guess would be that he might even pardon people who were involved in Hunter's business.
[00:35:49]  Who knows?
[00:35:50]  I'm guessing they might have a hundred percent happened.
[00:35:53]  All right, let's bring in Francesca.
[00:35:54]  If she's put her puzzle down, there are none.
[00:36:03]  They started the decision eight years ago when they had the laptop.
[00:36:06]  What do you mean, statute of limitations?
[00:36:08]  You go back to when the fact that Hunter Biden got on a call and he said, I'm here with my father.
[00:36:15]  You know, we expect you to follow through.
[00:36:17]  He basically shook down a Chinese business.

=== Lost Credibility Moments (05:36) ===

[00:36:20]  I'm trying to hold myself.
[00:36:25]  I'm here to veteran the general media institution like CBS said that 10% to the big guy, big guy, can't be anybody but Joe Biden.
[00:36:35]  And I hate saying this.
[00:36:37]  Oh, I didn't know CBS was part of the business.
[00:36:39]  No, Joe, is CBS going to bring charges?
[00:36:42]  We lose all credibility if we do not acknowledge Very.
[00:36:45]  Oh my God.
[00:36:47]  Let me just say, you lost all credibility.
[00:36:49]  What happened to you, dude?
[00:36:51]  Who are you?
[00:36:51]  I don't even know.
[00:36:52]  Lindy Lee's out here.
[00:36:53]  She's been like the face of the resistance for so long.
[00:36:56]  And now she's coming on these programs, making this rightward turn.
[00:37:00]  It's pretty disgusting.
[00:37:01]  You got millions of followers.
[00:37:03]  She's absolutely doing that.
[00:37:05]  I don't even know that.
[00:37:06]  Hang on, Donald Sharp, please.
[00:37:07]  Don't all shout.
[00:37:09]  Francesca, Francesca, have your say.
[00:37:11]  You don't even believe what you're saying.
[00:37:13]  Hang on, really, really.
[00:37:14]  Don't all talk about it.
[00:37:15]  It's all super sick.
[00:37:16]  Time out.
[00:37:17]  No one can hear you when you all shout over each other.
[00:37:20]  No one can hear you.
[00:37:21]  I don't even care.
[00:37:21]  I don't even know what to do.
[00:37:22]  No one can hear you.
[00:37:23]  You are so embarrassed.
[00:37:24]  I can hear you.
[00:37:25]  It's the first time I've ever talked about it.
[00:37:28]  I know because I'm not going to be able to do that.
[00:37:29]  I'm taking care of myself.
[00:37:31]  Francesca.
[00:37:31]  Democratic shit.
[00:37:32]  Francesca.
[00:37:33]  And now you're still turning because your side is not going to be a little bit more than that.
[00:37:36]  Francesca.
[00:37:37]  Stop talking.
[00:37:38]  No, for God's sake.
[00:37:40]  Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.
[00:37:42]  That's exactly what you're doing.
[00:37:44]  But that doesn't mean that I'm just going to go on national TV and lying.
[00:37:47]  I've been trying to you.
[00:37:49]  Oh, nobody's asking.
[00:37:50]  Oh, is that what you've been doing?
[00:37:52]  Is lying for Biden?
[00:37:53]  Is that what you're saying?
[00:37:53]  Well, I just said that I'm not.
[00:37:55]  I refuse to do that.
[00:37:57]  I'm here.
[00:37:57]  Piers Morgan invited me.
[00:37:59]  I'm here to tell him the truth.
[00:38:00]  I own that.
[00:38:01]  I owe that to him, to his viewers.
[00:38:03]  I'm not going to gap for anybody here.
[00:38:04]  You're so embarrassed.
[00:38:06]  It's a bad idea.
[00:38:07]  This is why Democrats can't be democratic.
[00:38:09]  When you all talk over each other, nobody can hear.
[00:38:13]  I'm talking.
[00:38:13]  Sorry.
[00:38:14]  Can I just please have a moment?
[00:38:15]  I'm not a name grifter influencer like Lindy Lee here.
[00:38:19]  Panel, just to be clear.
[00:38:20]  I haven't made a difference.
[00:38:21]  Sorry, Lindy, please.
[00:38:23]  Please be quiet, all of you.
[00:38:24]  When you all talk, nobody at home watching can hear a damn word any of you are saying.
[00:38:30]  So you can keep doing this and I'll just end the whole thing because it's pointless.
[00:38:34]  Now, Francesca, if you've got allegations to make about Lindy, make them now.
[00:38:38]  And then, Lindy, you respond.
[00:38:40]  Let's do it the old-fashioned way where people can actually hear a damn thing you're saying.
[00:38:44]  Francesca.
[00:38:45]  Okay, quickly, and I mean no disrespect.
[00:38:48]  I just feel that it is so funny that the Democratic Party has also surrounded itself, like the Republican Party, with honestly opportunistic grifters like Lindy Lee, who has posited herself as someone who actually cares about American democracy, you know, spotlighting the threats that Trump has posed and will continue to pose to the American people.
[00:39:09]  And now that the Harris campaign lost, which I think was definitely their election to lose, given just how much Trump was like not even trying, and he didn't win by the popular vote, he won by less than 50%.
[00:39:24]  Harris dropped the ball.
[00:39:26]  Lindy Lee was all in on the campaign.
[00:39:28]  And now she's pivoting because she's like, you know what?
[00:39:30]  I want to go to the winning side.
[00:39:31]  And now the Hunter Biden laptop story is a thing.
[00:39:35]  That's just so craven and so pathetic.
[00:39:38]  And I'm someone who has not received a single dollar from the Democratic Party or any, anyway to talk about my views.
[00:39:46]  Neither have I. Have you made any money off the street?
[00:39:49]  Now I will let Lindy.
[00:39:51]  Now I will let Lindy respond.
[00:39:53]  Hang on, Lindy.
[00:39:54]  Tell me one person.
[00:39:55]  Hang on, Lindy.
[00:39:56]  I will now let you respond.
[00:39:59]  Tell me one person who's paid me.
[00:40:03]  I don't know, girl.
[00:40:04]  Who's paid me?
[00:40:04]  Tell me.
[00:40:05]  You're just making up.
[00:40:06]  You're just making up.
[00:40:07]  Are we allowed to curse on here?
[00:40:08]  Yeah.
[00:40:09]  I am.
[00:40:10]  I don't need anybody's money.
[00:40:12]  No one has paid me.
[00:40:13]  You're just making, like, just, this is like libelous.
[00:40:15]  It's defamation.
[00:40:16]  No one has to do it.
[00:40:16]  Obviously, you go.
[00:40:18]  No one has to pay you.
[00:40:19]  It's all about influencerdom, right?
[00:40:20]  Now you're changing your story.
[00:40:22]  Don't kick your story.
[00:40:23]  A minute ago.
[00:40:26]  I never said muted.
[00:40:27]  So many dollars.
[00:40:28]  But we're making it up.
[00:40:29]  I don't know who you are, respectfully.
[00:40:31]  Why are you doing that?
[00:40:32]  So, Gavin, you're saying that you're not going to be able to get the pardon.
[00:40:35]  It's me a grifter, too.
[00:40:37]  Is Governor Jared Polis also a grifter for saying that the pardon was a bad idea?
[00:40:42]  Because Joe Biden repeatedly lied.
[00:40:45]  If you're going to pardon your son, fine, fine.
[00:40:48]  There are arguments in favor of that.
[00:40:49]  But why did you have to lie repeatedly and say that you weren't?
[00:40:53]  He lied after that.
[00:40:54]  Lying is bad.
[00:40:55]  And in terms of the Harrison.
[00:40:58]  I did not find out.
[00:41:01]  I insist on talking over people again and again.
[00:41:05]  In terms of the Harris campaign, I raised millions, tens.
[00:41:08]  I raised millions of dollars for that campaign.
[00:41:11]  I donated buildings in a church to the campaign.
[00:41:13]  I did not find out until after she lost that millions were spent on, for example, 2.5 million was spent on Oprah.
[00:41:21]  Half a billion dollars went to just four well-connected Democratic firms, including Bully.
[00:41:27]  I mean, welcome to the political revolution, girl.
[00:41:29]  The Democratic people.
[00:41:31]  I don't know what's going on with you, but can you please let somebody finish?
[00:41:34]  Thank you so much.
[00:41:39]  And millions of dollars to celebrities.
[00:41:42]  It's in millions of dollars to private planes and also five-star hotels for campaign staffers.
[00:41:47]  I have donors who donated anywhere from $10 to $25 of their hard-earned money to a million dollars.
[00:41:55]  They are fuming.

=== Barr And Ethics Complaints (08:48) ===

[00:41:56]  And we had no idea this was going on.
[00:41:58]  The campaign during the campaign said that we were going to win three to four battleground states.
[00:42:04]  That was what we were expecting.
[00:42:05]  General Mally Dylan went around the world telling people that we were definitely going to win the campaign.
[00:42:11]  But they knew all along, now we know, they knew all along that Kamala Harris was losing.
[00:42:17]  She was behind Trump the entire time.
[00:42:20]  But when she was with us donors, when they were whining and dying us, they told us a completely different.
[00:42:25]  They were clearly lying.
[00:42:26]  Let me bring in Destiny about something else.
[00:42:28]  Let's talk about Trump's cabinet pics and two of the most contentious.
[00:42:31]  Pete Hayseth in defense, obviously, and Kash Patel to the FBI.
[00:42:37]  Do you believe that those nominations should be approved?
[00:42:43]  I know more about Patel.
[00:42:45]  The other Fox News blunky is a loser as well.
[00:42:47]  I mean, he served his country with great valor.
[00:42:50]  He's not a loser, is he?
[00:42:53]  That's great.
[00:42:53]  I can think of a lot of losers that have served their country with great valor.
[00:42:56]  Trump has a lot of them losers.
[00:42:57]  So I don't even know why you would think just because somebody's a veteran doesn't mean that they're not a horrible fit for a particular job.
[00:43:02]  I don't know.
[00:43:02]  I don't know that's what we were doing here.
[00:43:04]  The Patel guy is insane.
[00:43:07]  He wrote a storybook for children about how Donald Trump was the king and evil people were coming towards him with like false claims of corruption.
[00:43:14]  It's just the most insane stuff I've ever seen in my entire life.
[00:43:18]  But I mean, it's on par for Donald Trump.
[00:43:19]  So I mean, if it wasn't these guys, it would be somebody else insane or crazy.
[00:43:22]  It'd be another person under, I guess, an ethics complaint for, I guess, you know, going after minors like Gates, or it would be some other insane person.
[00:43:32]  So, I mean, what are you supposed to say?
[00:43:34]  Yeah.
[00:43:34]  The Republicans have no standards.
[00:43:36]  They are amoral.
[00:43:37]  They have no care for how any of these departments are ran.
[00:43:40]  They have no understanding of that.
[00:43:42]  Wow.
[00:43:44]  Let me bring in Ben Ferguson to respond.
[00:43:46]  Yeah, I love how they're like upset over a guy that actually served his country.
[00:43:51]  who has stood up for veterans and made sure that veterans dealing with PTSD get what they need and have a government that actually listens to them and doesn't treat them like an old car they throw out back.
[00:44:04]  But 30 seconds ago, after you mock him, you're acting like Hunter Biden's a great guy.
[00:44:09]  Like it's pretty darn rich.
[00:44:10]  Here's what I'll say about these two individuals.
[00:44:13]  Kash Patel is a guy that was being investigated by the federal government when they were going after him, trying to connect him to a fake Russia gate issue.
[00:44:21]  And the only reason why I knew that there was abuse of power happening at the DOJ and the FBI is because he was told by Google five years later, no one else told him that, hey, by the way, they were trying to get dirt on you and they looked at everything you'd ever done online.
[00:44:35]  That is an abuse of power.
[00:44:37]  I love the guy going in there to stop that type of abuse of power.
[00:44:40]  I think he's going to be confirmed based on the senators I've talked to.
[00:44:43]  They look at what his life work is.
[00:44:45]  They like him.
[00:44:46]  As for Pete, I think Pete's a guy that understands that it's not a good idea just to go to war and not realize what happens to the people you send afterwards.
[00:44:54]  He's been an incredible advocate for mental health issues with men and women in the military.
[00:44:59]  And he's made it clear after going to Iraq and Afghanistan and to Gitmo, serving his country and getting significant awards for battle that, hey, you come back a different person and we need to take care of our men and women in the military.
[00:45:11]  But most importantly, we don't need to send them into endless wars and or wars that don't make any sense that have nothing actually to do with America.
[00:45:18]  I thought Democrats would be in favor of that mindset.
[00:45:22]  I'm in favor of that mindset.
[00:45:23]  And if that makes him a bad guy, I'm totally fine with saying, I'll have a guy like that running the DOJ, DOD.
[00:45:30]  That's perfect for me.
[00:45:32]  Okay.
[00:45:34]  Ben, is there a single criticism you have for Donald Trump on the way that he's engaged with, say, the Department of Justice?
[00:45:41]  With the people he's picking now?
[00:45:44]  No.
[00:45:45]  Don't like Matt Gates.
[00:45:46]  I didn't defend Matt Gates, if that's what you're asking.
[00:45:48]  I thought Matt Gates was a bad pick.
[00:45:51]  I know.
[00:45:52]  Department of Justice in the past when he was president.
[00:45:54]  Do you have a single criticism for how he did anything?
[00:45:56]  I do.
[00:45:57]  I think he should have.
[00:45:58]  I think he should have fired James Comey day one.
[00:46:00]  And I think he should have fired the bad actors in the deep state that were working against him from 16 through 20, trying to go after people like General Flynn and bait them at the White House, thinking they're serving their country, having a conversation with the FBI.
[00:46:13]  And he goes on stage and laughs about it, basically saying, I'm trying to set someone up so I can use them against the sitting president of the United States of America that you're supposed to actually be serving because you don't like him politically.
[00:46:23]  Yes, I will criticize Donald Trump for not firing him day one.
[00:46:26]  Okay.
[00:46:27]  Was Bill Barr, was he part of the, was Bill Barr part of the deep state?
[00:46:30]  I'm not a Bill Barr fan.
[00:46:32]  Like, I haven't been for a long time.
[00:46:34]  I think Bill Barr, I think Bill Barr is an aesthetic.
[00:46:37]  Let me answer the question.
[00:46:38]  You're going to ask the question.
[00:46:38]  I think Bill Barr did not serve the president well.
[00:46:42]  And I think Bill Barr cared more about what people are.
[00:46:44]  Let me finish.
[00:46:45]  You asked a question.
[00:46:46]  I'm answering it.
[00:46:46]  I think Bill Barringt Washington well.
[00:46:49]  I am answering it.
[00:46:50]  You just said, do I think Bill Barr, you asked me a question?
[00:46:53]  I'm answering it.
[00:46:53]  You don't like my answer.
[00:46:54]  That's okay.
[00:46:55]  But let me finish it.
[00:46:55]  No, no, I asked you.
[00:46:56]  Bill Bard had a major problem.
[00:46:59]  When Bill Barr was there, he cared more about serving the people inside of Washington than the American people or the president of the United States of America.
[00:47:08]  It's that simple.
[00:47:09]  Your job is to serve the president.
[00:47:13]  I'm talking to you.
[00:47:14]  I'm sorry that you're not.
[00:47:14]  I can't figure that out.
[00:47:16]  Hold on.
[00:47:16]  I don't know if you're maybe your earpiece networking.
[00:47:18]  Was Bill.
[00:47:18]  You're a major.
[00:47:19]  Maybe you guys have wrong.
[00:47:21]  Of the United States of America, of the Department of Justice.
[00:47:23]  Was Bill Barr part of the deep state?
[00:47:27]  I just said it as second.
[00:47:29]  I think it's such a loser.
[00:47:32]  Okay, Name College is like third grade, and I understand that's what you're doing.
[00:47:36]  I'm answering the question.
[00:47:38]  I'm sorry, it's about your intellect.
[00:47:40]  Piers, let me answer your question more.
[00:47:42]  Let me answer the question here.
[00:47:44]  Piers, Piers, is the deep state of Washington, D.C. Is the deep state Washington, D.C.
[00:47:50]  Yes.
[00:47:50]  And I just said, and I'm sorry that your intellectual ability doesn't get you to this level, but I said Bill Barr cared more about what people in Washington, D.C., which is the deep state, thought of him in the American people serving the president.
[00:48:02]  I just said it again.
[00:48:03]  I even translate it for you.
[00:48:05]  I'm sorry you can't play it.
[00:48:07]  It's not my fault.
[00:48:09]  Clearly, you did.
[00:48:10]  You clearly needed a translation.
[00:48:12]  Can I just agree with Ben?
[00:48:14]  Can I just say that I do think that Pete Hegzit actually is a good choice to oversee the U.S. military?
[00:48:19]  I think they have a lot in common.
[00:48:20]  Like, just like the U.S. military, Pete Hegseth doesn't practice consent, you know, when raping and pillaging other people.
[00:48:26]  And I think the U.S. military does the same thing.
[00:48:28]  They rape and pillage people.
[00:48:29]  Well, you just made it to the amplitude of the money.
[00:48:32]  I just made an outrageously defamated comment about Pete Hegset.
[00:48:36]  I hope he sued you all at operating budgets.
[00:48:40]  He was able to tank.
[00:48:42]  You deserve to be sued U.S. veterans organizations.
[00:48:45]  And I hope they can't.
[00:48:46]  And as someone who doesn't want to see more wars abroad, if he can take the pension budget, you are a disgusting person to say that about someone when you're in the business.
[00:48:52]  You know what's disgusting about it?
[00:48:53]  Disgusting is drugging.
[00:48:56]  And you have no accountability television.
[00:48:59]  Her husband and her person.
[00:49:01]  And her child.
[00:49:03]  In the same hotel room, she wakes up and she's a little bit more.
[00:49:04]  She has no memory of what happened.
[00:49:06]  I hope they see her.
[00:49:06]  And Pete Heggs paid her an NDA.
[00:49:09]  You want to play her an NDA to get ready to get sued.
[00:49:12]  Ben, how many people?
[00:49:13]  Number one, Ben, can you shut up?
[00:49:16]  Ben, welcome to the big leagues.
[00:49:18]  Reading.
[00:49:19]  The big leagues is when you actually talk facts and you don't see it or read them on TV, for goodness sakes.
[00:49:24]  God, you're a terrible person.
[00:49:26]  Ben, I know you feel.
[00:49:27]  Look, look, look, best boy.
[00:49:29]  You just accused somebody of rape.
[00:49:31]  I know that he bought you of rape.
[00:49:33]  You're a disgusting human being.
[00:49:34]  When you go back and forth for one second, accused of rape is more disgusting than raping.
[00:49:41]  Obviously, seriously defame Pete Heggs.
[00:49:43]  It'll be up to Pete Heggs if he wants to take any action over it.
[00:49:45]  There's obviously no.
[00:49:46]  Ben, do you think rape is more is worse than that?
[00:49:49]  He's not been convicted of raping anybody.
[00:49:51]  He's never been accused of rape.
[00:49:53]  When you call him a rapist, you are defaming him.
[00:49:55]  Because when you pay people rapidly, I hope you get sued.
[00:49:58]  Please, every time I'm innocent, I always pay people.
[00:50:01]  I want to be there to tell you what.
[00:50:02]  Every time I'm innocent, I always have them sign an NDA.
[00:50:05]  Right.
[00:50:05]  So you think everyone who signs an NDA is guilty then?
[00:50:09]  Everyone who signs an NDA is guilty of the crime, are they?
[00:50:13]  Not the person who signs it, but making someone sign an NDA, it's kind of a giveaway.
[00:50:17]  Actually, no, it's not.
[00:50:18]  That's simply not true in law.
[00:50:19]  You don't understand law.
[00:50:20]  So if you did, you'd understand that's not a problem.
[00:50:22]  She doesn't understand a lot of people.
[00:50:23]  Anyway, there are NDAs signed every day, every hour of every day, all over America, with no admission of any guilt whatsoever.
[00:50:31]  I will say that.
[00:50:32]  I think it's a really good choice because honestly, it's not actually rape or war if you were drunk the whole time.
[00:50:37]  So when we invade Iran, I hope you keep it in your hole.
[00:50:41]  This is going to be a burst.
[00:50:42]  It's a massive Grand Canyon-sized hole, and you may live to regret it.

=== Reframing The Legacy (06:39) ===

[00:50:45]  Anyway, I'm going to leave it there.
[00:50:47]  Thank you all very much to my panel.
[00:50:48]  It was incredibly enjoyable, he says, lying.
[00:50:52]  Let me bring in the former Chief of Staff of President Donald Trump McMulvaney, who's in London.
[00:50:56]  Welcome.
[00:50:57]  That was fun.
[00:50:57]  Is it like that every night here?
[00:50:59]  It can be.
[00:50:59]  It can be when you get the more suvian-like members.
[00:51:03]  I'm going to take that clip.
[00:51:04]  And when people ask me why Washington is broken, I have an answer for that, which is Washington isn't broken.
[00:51:09]  It just reflects the country.
[00:51:10]  And I'll play the last 20 minutes and say, these are not elected officials.
[00:51:14]  These are just ordinary citizens.
[00:51:16]  That is the country I live in right now.
[00:51:18]  There's a lot of screaming.
[00:51:19]  A lot of people implacably opposed to the other side, not prepared to give an inch.
[00:51:24]  Facts don't really matter all the time.
[00:51:26]  And a lot of heat.
[00:51:27]  What's the answer to that?
[00:51:30]  Doing better.
[00:51:31]  I do worry about the next generation.
[00:51:33]  I teach a lot of students.
[00:51:34]  I deal with young people.
[00:51:36]  And I am very, very disturbed by their inability to change their mind if they get new information.
[00:51:43]  And that, I think, is a very dangerous place to be.
[00:51:46]  How are those, and I don't know any of those folks, by the way, that you just had on there, but how are they going to be, well, they're the leaders of the country 10 and 15 and 20 years now.
[00:51:53]  How are they going to solve Social Security in my country?
[00:51:56]  How are they going to deal with the debt?
[00:51:57]  How are they going to deal with Russia and China and Taiwan if they can't even have a conversation?
[00:52:02]  You work obviously very closely with Trump.
[00:52:04]  You were a chief of staff.
[00:52:05]  I wrote a column for the New York Post after talking to him last week.
[00:52:08]  He ran me for a chat.
[00:52:09]  I've known him a long time.
[00:52:11]  And I said, I really do feel he's a slightly changed man.
[00:52:15]  I don't think he's lost the pugilistic streak.
[00:52:17]  I don't think he's lost the trash talking or any of the things which make him a unique and divisive character.
[00:52:23]  I just felt that two things have changed him.
[00:52:26]  One was surviving being shot.
[00:52:29]  And I spoke to him the week after and a few times since.
[00:52:32]  I really felt that had a profound effect on him.
[00:52:34]  And secondly, winning such a big mandate, I think in his eyes, proving his point about the 2020 election, which he says he has always said he won.
[00:52:44]  He believes he's now been proven.
[00:52:46]  You see, I told you, I don't agree with him, but he does.
[00:52:49]  But secondly, he's got such a mandate now.
[00:52:51]  He's got everything that he could have possibly wanted.
[00:52:54]  And the people that voted for him came from the white community, the black community, the Latino community, right across the board.
[00:52:59]  And in a way, the opposition to Trump is so different to what it was in 2016, when hundreds of thousands were marching and it was really febrile, the atmosphere.
[00:53:09]  There's an acceptance from the left now.
[00:53:11]  Well, what can we say?
[00:53:12]  And then when you have Biden pardoning Hunter, all the high moral ground you were probably looking forward to having against Trump in the next few years about lying or hypocrisy or shamelessness or nepotism going out the window.
[00:53:24]  Not even that, just the politicization of the Department of Justice.
[00:53:27]  Keep in mind, if Biden didn't come out and said, look, my son was an addict.
[00:53:30]  He did it.
[00:53:31]  He's guilty.
[00:53:32]  I can't stand to see my son go to prison.
[00:53:34]  I think every parent can understand I have the ability to pardon him.
[00:53:37]  I'm going to do it.
[00:53:38]  I've changed my mind.
[00:53:40]  I don't think anybody would be able to criticize him for that.
[00:53:42]  But what he said was, I'm doing this because he was targeted by a politicized Department of Justice.
[00:53:48]  And that plays right into Donald Trump's hands with Donald Trump.
[00:53:51]  I'd love that message.
[00:53:52]  And if that was his argument, then why has he repeatedly said this year and ordered his press secretary to say that he would absolutely not pardon him because nobody's above the law, knowing what he clearly believes about what he thinks is the politicalization of the justice.
[00:54:05]  Right.
[00:54:06]  What has changed between today?
[00:54:08]  Nothing's changed exactly except that he.
[00:54:09]  Has he torched his legacy, Biden, with this?
[00:54:12]  You know, Biden, if you go back 50 years, because he's been in Washington for 50 years, he never really had that much of a reputation for telling the truth in the first place.
[00:54:20]  If anybody remembers him in my country from the 80s, it would be for plagiarizing speeches and so forth.
[00:54:25]  And he's a failed presidential candidate several times over.
[00:54:27]  So I'm not sure how much legacy he had in the first place.
[00:54:30]  I think he will go down in history as a Democrat hero for one reason and one reason only, and that is he beat Donald Trump in 2020.
[00:54:36]  And that was enough for them.
[00:54:38]  You didn't think Trump would win again this year?
[00:54:43]  You said to NBC News in July, I think he's the Republican most likely to lose in the general election of all I did in Canada.
[00:54:50]  If I go back to 2022, I didn't think he had a cat in hell's chance.
[00:54:53]  It's an astounding comeback.
[00:54:55]  It really is.
[00:54:56]  Listen, I was against him running in the primary because I thought he would lose.
[00:55:00]  Keep in mind, when he announced his primary in November, I think, of 2022, our Fox News broke away from the speech at Mar-a-Lago because it was so flat.
[00:55:09]  There were, what, eight or 10 Republicans who thought they could beat him.
[00:55:13]  And I thought he was uniquely positioned to be the weakest candidate that we have.
[00:55:17]  He then got a gift, Piers.
[00:55:19]  And when the history books are written, I'll look back at whether or not Alvin Bragg is identified as the person most singly responsible for Donald Trump's re-election because the charges against him, the criminal charges, were so weak.
[00:55:31]  It not only made people sympathetic to him, it took the argument.
[00:55:35]  Nikki Haley had to come to his defense.
[00:55:37]  Ron DeSantis had to come to his defense.
[00:55:39]  And his message was very powerful.
[00:55:40]  This is the message.
[00:55:41]  And you and I both know enough about the business to know you have to be able to do it in short order.
[00:55:45]  And this is his message.
[00:55:46]  Look at what they're doing to me.
[00:55:47]  I'm rich.
[00:55:48]  I'm famous.
[00:55:48]  I'm white.
[00:55:49]  If they can do it to me, imagine what they can do to you.
[00:55:51]  Vote for me and I'll make sure that doesn't happen.
[00:55:53]  And he turned that into a juggernaut.
[00:55:55]  I did think he would win after the two after the two after the two, excuse me, lose my train of thought, the two conventions back when it was him and Biden.
[00:56:05]  I thought he'd crush Biden.
[00:56:06]  And the debate, obviously, where he destroyed it.
[00:56:08]  It was not even close.
[00:56:10]  Do you think he's changed?
[00:56:11]  You know him well.
[00:56:12]  When you watch him, do you think you see a slightly changed guy?
[00:56:15]  A little bit.
[00:56:16]  I thought I saw a lot of it at the convention.
[00:56:18]  The speech he gave at the convention, which is right after the shooting, if you remember.
[00:56:21]  I haven't talked to him.
[00:56:22]  I've talked to members of the family.
[00:56:23]  I've talked to folks in the inner circle, and they all told me he is a changed man.
[00:56:26]  And I believed it as of the convention.
[00:56:29]  I think as the campaign went on, he fell back into a lot of his old sort of his default settings, which is the rally Trump.
[00:56:36]  By the way, he's a true extrovert.
[00:56:38]  He loves doing this.
[00:56:39]  He's a good performer.
[00:56:40]  He's a great performer.
[00:56:41]  He's a great showman.
[00:56:41]  And he draws energy from it.
[00:56:43]  So it doesn't surprise me he sort of fell back into some of the greatest hits, as we say.
[00:56:48]  Will he now use, I mean, I think he probably will, because why wouldn't he?
[00:56:51]  But will he now use what Biden's done in pardoning Hunter to go and pardon a lot of the January 6th?
[00:56:57]  Probably.
[00:56:58]  I think he was probably going to do that anyway, but I think he's got Biden has...
[00:57:01]  Look, I'm not.
[00:57:01]  Biden's giving him the excuse he needs, right?
[00:57:03]  That's exactly right.
[00:57:03]  People are saying, oh, Trump is criticizing him.
[00:57:05]  I'm like, maybe the Trump team is criticizing Biden for doing this and being a hypocrite, and I get that.
[00:57:09]  But deep down, I think they know, I would know if I'm sitting down there at guys, they just gave us a huge win on this because they've acknowledged that the justice system is politicized, and that plays right into our hands.
[00:57:20]  What advice would you give Trump now?
[00:57:21]  Obviously, inauguration coming up January the 20th.

=== Fixing Washington Together (04:40) ===

[00:57:25]  You know him well.
[00:57:25]  What advice would you give him?
[00:57:26]  Blunt advice about, because I detected when I spoke to him that he feels the hand of legacy now.
[00:57:32]  He hasn't got to run again.
[00:57:33]  He hasn't got a campaign again.
[00:57:35]  What he's got is four years, which he probably couldn't have been certain he would have got again.
[00:57:40]  I mean, most people didn't give him a chance.
[00:57:41]  He's got an unexpected second chance to reframe his legacy.
[00:57:45]  Yeah, I really think this, I think you mentioned earlier the fact he's got this mandate.
[00:57:49]  He's feeling pretty good.
[00:57:50]  And that's right, and he should.
[00:57:52]  He did something, Piers, and this is going to be a longer answer, and I apologize.
[00:57:55]  He did something that I didn't think anybody thought a Republican could do.
[00:57:58]  He made huge inroads in the African-American community, huge inroads in the Hispanic community.
[00:58:02]  I mean, just numbers Republicans haven't seen since the 1960s.
[00:58:06]  And I think he needs to recognize, if I'm giving you advice, Mr. President, recognize that.
[00:58:09]  There was a bunch of people here who have never voted Republican before.
[00:58:11]  They voted for you.
[00:58:12]  Why?
[00:58:13]  They like you, but they also believe that you are going to fix Washington.
[00:58:16]  So yes, taxes are important.
[00:58:18]  Yes, immigration is important.
[00:58:19]  All those things are important.
[00:58:20]  But really, the most important thing you can do in your legacy is fix Washington.
[00:58:24]  These people think government doesn't work for them, and it doesn't.
[00:58:28]  What I think Elon Musk and Vivek Ramoswamy are going to do might be the most important part of the people.
[00:58:32]  I agree.
[00:58:33]  I'm excited about what they're going to do.
[00:58:34]  I am too.
[00:58:35]  I don't think they can do much on their own.
[00:58:36]  They don't have a lot of statutory authority.
[00:58:37]  I was the last person, by the way, who was in charge of government restructuring, and I failed miserably because everybody was against me.
[00:58:43]  The House, the Senate, even most of the agencies.
[00:58:46]  I remember the Secretary of Defense was against the things the president wanted me to do.
[00:58:49]  So how do they get around that?
[00:58:51]  First of all, Elon Musk is a lot smarter than I am.
[00:58:54]  Number two, they're much more.
[00:58:55]  Very awesome.
[00:58:56]  They're much awesome.
[00:58:57]  He's a lot smarter than most of us.
[00:58:58]  And he's got a bigger footprint, and now it's a movement, right?
[00:59:01]  When I was doing it, I was doing it because I was looking at a government that had been created in the 1920s that said we have to fix it.
[00:59:06]  It's not very sexy, Piers.
[00:59:08]  Vivek and I think Elon Musk have the ability to sort of make this a cause celeb to the point where ordinary people are going to care what's happening when they fix the government.
[00:59:17]  I thought he's going to do what he did at his other companies and just call everybody in and say, what did you do last week?
[00:59:22]  Yeah, but he can't.
[00:59:23]  And that's the difficulty.
[00:59:24]  Why?
[00:59:24]  I ran a federal agency.
[00:59:26]  I ran the CFPB, which was one of the places they want to shut down.
[00:59:29]  I wanted to shut it down.
[00:59:30]  And I found out after I got there, of the 1,700 people who worked there, I only had the right to fire seven.
[00:59:36]  Really?
[00:59:36]  By law.
[00:59:38]  Does the president have the right?
[00:59:39]  So the president might have the right to close the building.
[00:59:42]  He doesn't have the right to fire the president.
[00:59:44]  Who does?
[00:59:45]  Nobody.
[00:59:46]  Are you serious?
[00:59:46]  Congress.
[00:59:46]  Congress have to change the law.
[00:59:48]  Wow.
[00:59:48]  Yes.
[00:59:49]  And that's why I think what Vivek and Elon are doing are it's a giant, massive PR campaign, but it's an absolutely critical PR campaign.
[00:59:56]  They have to make it so that Congress doesn't have any choice but to change the rules.
[01:00:01]  Because public opinion will be so heavily on their side.
[01:00:03]  Here's a great example.
[01:00:04]  I can't remember which agency it was, but it's one of the big-named agencies.
[01:00:08]  Just yesterday, the outgoing administration signed a new labor agreement saying the people don't have to come to work after Donald Trump takes over.
[01:00:15]  And that's now in their union agreement.
[01:00:17]  Incredible.
[01:00:18]  Please allow that to sink in.
[01:00:19]  If you're a federal worker, you have federal protections against getting fired.
[01:00:22]  And on top of that, you have union agreements that make it even more difficult.
[01:00:26]  Ridiculous.
[01:00:26]  That's what Elon and Vivek are up against.
[01:00:28]  In terms of his cabinet piece, obviously, I mean, in many ways, it's the most diverse cabinet we've ever seen.
[01:00:34]  But it's also by far the most kind of disruptive collection of people.
[01:00:38]  These are not establishment people.
[01:00:40]  They are the complete antithesis of that.
[01:00:42]  And I'm actually quite excited to see what non-establishment people do.
[01:00:46]  I've never been that impressed by establishment people.
[01:00:48]  But what do you think?
[01:00:50]  Is it unrealistic what he's trying to achieve here with these people?
[01:00:55]  I think there's a bunch of different things going on.
[01:00:56]  Yes, it's not unrealistic.
[01:00:58]  And I think he does have some sort of anti-establishment people who are going to go in and start from a clean slate, a blank piece of paper.
[01:01:04]  And that's absolutely critical.
[01:01:05]  But I also think what you're seeing, for Sean Duffy, he's a friend of mine.
[01:01:08]  We're in Congress together.
[01:01:09]  And I'm going to head up the Department of Transportation.
[01:01:11]  And folks like, well, Sean's a TV guy.
[01:01:13]  That's what he does, right?
[01:01:14]  And it is.
[01:01:15]  What you're seeing is Trump in the first term, Piers, was upset that nobody was out there selling besides him, that nobody was doing as good a job selling.
[01:01:23]  So he looked his hand over and said, you know what?
[01:01:25]  We're going to run policy from the White House, from inside the building, but we're going to put people out in these agencies who can come on and do this and talk on television.
[01:01:33]  He loves people who are good on TV.
[01:01:35]  And I think they're all good on TV.
[01:01:38]  That's a record to be there.
[01:01:39]  Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Hesketh, they're all just, they're telegenic.
[01:01:44]  Christine Noam from South Africa, she's fabulous.
[01:01:46]  And you're going to see a lot more government officials on television saying, here's what we're doing and here's why.
[01:01:52]  And by the way, I think that plays right into that conversation we had a few minutes ago about the people wanting to fix Washington.
[01:01:58]  They're going to see heads of agencies on TV every night saying, this is what we did to do today to help fix the government.
[01:02:04]  So now it can help you.

=== Late Night Media Bias (06:26) ===

[01:02:05]  Will he get through people like Pete?
[01:02:07]  He's coming under enormous pressure.
[01:02:09]  There's word that at least six Republican senators may not support him.
[01:02:13]  It's always tough when stuff like this drips out and it makes you wonder who was doing the vetting because they really should have known about this beforehand or they might have and just said they were going to roll the dice with it anyway.
[01:02:21]  It's a rule of thumb in Washington that typically there's one person who always goes down.
[01:02:25]  We had one in the Trump administration.
[01:02:27]  Biden had one and everybody sort of knows that sacrificial lamb.
[01:02:30]  What I can't figure out yet, Pierce, is whether or not Gates was that person or not.
[01:02:34]  If he wasn't, then somebody else might go down.
[01:02:37]  I actually think Bobby Kennedy is going to have the biggest difficulty just because he's not as ingrained in Trump world as the rest of them are.
[01:02:43]  It was sort of a marriage of convenience.
[01:02:46]  Support me in the election and I'll put you in the cabinet.
[01:02:48]  But he doesn't have the long-standing relationships like he does with the other folks.
[01:02:51]  Where are the media now post-this election?
[01:02:54]  Because they're all in, all the late-night hosts, the view, all these kind of shows.
[01:02:58]  We've got a clip of Stephen Colbert, actually, attacking you on the late show.
[01:03:02]  Let's take a look.
[01:03:03]  CBS News has hired the ex-president's former chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to, quote, provide political analysis across the network's broadcasts and platforms.
[01:03:15]  For more, we go to the late show's own media analyst, Stephen Colbert.
[01:03:18]  Stephen, your thoughts?
[01:03:20]  What the back to you, Steve.
[01:03:40]  Thanks, Stephen.
[01:03:41]  I, for one, can't wait to hear Mulvaney's trenchant and objective political analysis, considering that back in 2020, he suggested that coronavirus was the media hoax of the day.
[01:03:52]  And after his boss extorted Zelensky for dirt on the Bidens, he said, get over it.
[01:03:57]  And just days after the election, he announced, if he loses, the former president will concede gracefully, adding, he'll fight hard to make sure the results are fair.
[01:04:06]  And in the end, he'll accept the result, whatever it is.
[01:04:10]  Is Mick Mulvaney psychic?
[01:04:12]  Get this man to Vegas.
[01:04:14]  He's Nostra Dumbass.
[01:04:18]  Nostra dumbass.
[01:04:20]  I like that one.
[01:04:20]  I remember that.
[01:04:21]  Oh, look, he's a comedian.
[01:04:23]  But my argument about them is that they don't give their side the same treatment.
[01:04:28]  And when I talked to Jay Leno at length, we were talking about Johnny Carson and how no one knew his politics.
[01:04:34]  He used to just rip into everybody.
[01:04:36]  So did Jay Leno.
[01:04:37]  So did Letterman to a large degree.
[01:04:39]  This new breed of late night hosts, they're so in the tank for the Democrats.
[01:04:43]  I can't watch it.
[01:04:44]  The view I can't watch because all six members of the panel voted for Carmela Harris.
[01:04:51]  What happens to them now?
[01:04:52]  What happened to the mainstream media, given that we've seen Trump in this election using YouTube and podcasters really to get the male vote in a much more effective way than Carmela managed to get the female vote?
[01:05:03]  Yeah, Trump figured out a way to go around that.
[01:05:05]  So where does it leave them all?
[01:05:06]  In 2016, it was in Twitter.
[01:05:08]  Now it's podcasts and so forth.
[01:05:09]  I'm more concerned about what happens to the country.
[01:05:11]  We need a media that does treat both sides like that.
[01:05:14]  It's part of the check and balance.
[01:05:15]  And we don't have it right now.
[01:05:17]  Obama did some things that Donald Trump is going to try and go around the Senate on a couple different of his appointments, maybe, okay?
[01:05:25]  And he's going to be pilloried for that in the press.
[01:05:27]  Obama did the exact same thing.
[01:05:29]  And the press simply rolled over and said, we love Obama.
[01:05:32]  What difference does it make?
[01:05:33]  And the country's health suffers because of that.
[01:05:36]  Now, that being said, no one watches late night television.
[01:05:38]  They're famous because they're famous.
[01:05:40]  But I think what they're learning.
[01:05:41]  Well, number one now is Greg Gutfeld who's on fault.
[01:05:44]  They don't move the needle.
[01:05:45]  I think the people who are watching them have already decided what they think and they just want to be reaffirmed in what they think.
[01:05:50]  And they're not changing anybody's minds.
[01:05:52]  Is there any way back for sort of, you know, like the CNNs, the MSNBCs and the others whose ratings have all crashed?
[01:05:57]  Or are we just seeing a real moment where legacy media is kind of shoved to one side?
[01:06:03]  So I read a column as well for the New York Post, as you do, and I do a little work for the Hill newspaper and so forth.
[01:06:07]  And there was a major left-leaning media outlet that said they were going to try and get more conservative voices.
[01:06:12]  And I reached out and said, look, here's some of the work I do for these agents.
[01:06:15]  And they wrote back and said, thanks very much.
[01:06:17]  We don't have any interest.
[01:06:17]  Really?
[01:06:18]  Oh, yeah, they're not.
[01:06:19]  It's all lip service.
[01:06:20]  It's all this faux introspection.
[01:06:23]  Oh, woe is us.
[01:06:24]  We got it wrong.
[01:06:24]  We'll do better next time.
[01:06:25]  They can't.
[01:06:26]  I was at CBS News.
[01:06:28]  First of all, if we had a longer conversation, I could prove to you the CBS News lies about Donald Trump because I sat in on one of the meetings.
[01:06:35]  But I was in the CBS News room just like this on the election midterms 2022.
[01:06:40]  And whenever a Democrat announced his winning, the whole group just went, they erupted it in a way.
[01:06:45]  Well, I'm worried to CNN for you, and I've got a lot of friends there.
[01:06:48]  I mean, you could shoot a harpoon around the CNN building and not hit a conservative.
[01:06:51]  That's exactly right.
[01:06:52]  I mean, Scott Jennings has had one of the all-time great presidential races because he's taken them all on almost single-handedly, night after night.
[01:07:00]  And he's acquitted himself extremely well.
[01:07:02]  But it was kind of sometimes painful to watch how biased CNN were.
[01:07:06]  They are not interested in an unbiased debate.
[01:07:09]  There's one, I'll plug in for News Nation that I'm doing some work for now that actually is trying to bring people from the right and the left to have the critical.
[01:07:15]  Well, we do that on this show.
[01:07:16]  Do you really?
[01:07:17]  I'm not familiar with it.
[01:07:18]  Don't follow this.
[01:07:19]  I bring in lots of people from both sides all the time, and we get big numbers, way bigger than.
[01:07:24]  I used to watch it on CNN.
[01:07:25]  That was the good stuff.
[01:07:26]  Well, in those days, I used to try and be impartial because in those days, CNN was told to be.
[01:07:32]  I get attacked from the right for criticizing Trump when I think he does something wrong.
[01:07:37]  And then I get attacked from the left when I applaud Trump when he does something right.
[01:07:40]  I'm like, isn't that what we're supposed to do?
[01:07:42]  I did 120 columns about Trump for the Daily Mail online when he was president in that four years.
[01:07:48]  And when I checked back, about 60, 60 positive and negative.
[01:07:52]  It was almost an exact split.
[01:07:54]  Isn't that what you want?
[01:07:55]  And I said, surely that is actually what every journalist has strive to be, right?
[01:07:59]  If your tally is 120-0 or zero, you know, in other words, either way, you're either all in against him or all in favor of him.
[01:08:08]  That's not journalism.
[01:08:09]  My guess is a panel discussion you had on.
[01:08:10]  I hate to beat on this.
[01:08:11]  Those folks do not watch any of the same programs, don't get their information from any of the same sources.
[01:08:17]  They live in their own bubbles.
[01:08:18]  They know what they believe.
[01:08:19]  They don't want to be told anything else.
[01:08:20]  And if they heard anything that might suggest they were wrong, they'd simply tune it out or, as they did tonight, talk over it.
[01:08:26]  Well, we didn't.
[01:08:27]  And thank God for that.
[01:08:28]  Pleasure to have a chance.
[01:08:29]  It's great to see you.
[01:08:30]  Thank you.
[01:08:30]  Thanks for coming in.
[01:08:31]  Appreciate it.