Piers Morgan and Glenn Beck debate the post-election landscape, clashing over whether Nancy Mace's restroom ban or Trump's rhetoric defines fascism. While Morgan accuses the "woke brigade" of cancel culture tyranny, Luke Harding argues true fascism involves militarism and state consolidation, warning against GOP plans to gut Social Security and the Department of Education. The conversation also addresses Matt Gaetz's potential Attorney General role, media hypocrisy regarding Trump's past labels, and a chilling encounter where investigators threatened Amala Pande over her reporting on Sean "Diddy" Combs, highlighting deep societal fractures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Breakdown in Common Sense00:08:19
I never ever thought I would say anything like this.
He could be so transformative that he could be a Lincoln, a transformational president.
I still believe he's a threat to our democracy.
Any man can put on a skirt, say, I'm a woman, and go into the bathroom.
I've gone to the bathroom next to a man.
Oh my goodness, Mike.
It was so fearful.
If I found you lurking next to me in a men's restroom, I'd feel fearful.
I like Mika and Joe.
But they did all call him Hitler.
Why would you do that?
How else do you speak truth to power if you won't go and sit at the table across from it?
So you know who the actual purist personification of a modern-day fascist is?
A member of the woke brigade.
No, I'm saying that's not the same.
I'll do my easy, Emma.
Several years ago, it would have been a cancellable offense to refer to a trans woman as a man.
Now the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, third in line for the presidency, is saying this.
Let me be unequivocally clear.
A man is a man and a woman is a woman.
And a man cannot become a woman.
This is a seismic shift in our recent culture, whether you agree with Mike Johnson or not.
And actually, I do.
Trump's Republicans feel they have a mandate to not only ignore but completely reverse what they see as a lurch to liberal extremes.
And liberals are now extremely angry about it, as they are about most things.
At the heart of the Ledis Row is a bill introduced by Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
It would ban transgender women from using female bathrooms in the U.S. Capitol.
Not by coincidence, it comes just weeks after the first ever trans lawmaker, Sarah McBride, was elected to the House.
Representative Mace explained her position like this.
I'm not going to allow biological men into women's private spaces.
I will stand in the brink and stand in the way of anyone on the radical left who thinks that it's okay for a penis to be in a women's locker room or a bathroom or a changing room.
Hell no.
I'm not going to stand for it.
And the speaker said it would be in the House rules package.
If it's not, I'll be ready with a motion, a privileged motion, to force a vote on this.
This is not okay.
I'm a survivor of rape.
I'm a survivor of sexual abuse.
Well, that last point's an eye-opener.
You might not like Nancy Mace or trust her motives or even agree with her, but she's fighting the exact same ideology that gave us safe spaces.
Now liberals are fighting to deny her right as a sexual abuse victim to feel safe in women's spaces.
That doesn't add up.
Well, Brian Tyler Cohen, an intelligent liberal and regular contributor to Uncensor, wrote on X, I truly wouldn't care if a man dressed like the King of England was in the original next to me.
I get that for extremely online right-wingers.
A trip to a public bathroom might be the most memorable moment of the day, but the rest of us truly do not give a shit who is peeing nearby.
Well, first, what's wrong with the King of England?
He's a fine, magnificent man.
Secondly, and most importantly, you're missing the point, aren't you, Brian?
This is about making women the priority.
I don't really care what you think about this.
Not so very long ago, that was actually your fight too, Brian.
Remember all that talk of protecting women's rights?
Should one solitary trans lawmaker's bathroom access be a red-hot issue in the first days of a new government?
Well, probably not, but it's symbolic.
It's just like trying to force everyone to state their pronouns or refer to women as menstruating persons.
What seems like a small polite gesture is an insidious way of making everybody comply with an ideology they may wish to regret.
Democratic Congressman Seth Moulton has been savaged by his own party for saying he doesn't want his daughters to get run over by a formerly male athlete.
I was just speaking authentically as a dad about one of many issues where I think we're just out of touch with the majority of voters.
Well, he's right.
The vast majority of voters completely agree with him.
It's not even close.
Moulton's campaign manager resigned in protest over those comments.
Think about that for a moment.
Really?
The Democrats should be very glad to see that person go.
They should rebuild the liberal movement around people like Moulton because he gets it.
There's been a complete breakdown in common sense from the left.
And if they don't get it back, they're going to be out of office a long time.
In a few moments, I'll be joined by tonight's stellar panel.
But first, the author, disruptor, Legend, co-founder of Blaze Media.
I could go on, but I won't.
It'd only embarrass him.
Glenn Beck, welcome back to Oncensis.
Thank you.
I can't believe, Piers, that so much has changed in the world that you and I, I view you as an ally in truth.
And it is, this world is made for strange bedfellows.
And what is happening in America, I think America is once again going to, thank God, take the lead on squashing some of these things.
And I think a lot of Europeans are right where MAGA, if you will, is.
MAGA is completely misunderstood.
And it's a different movement than it even was two years ago because now you really have strange bedfellows.
You have RFK.
Yeah.
You have Tulsi Gabbard.
All of these people, Elon Musk, we don't agree on everything.
But we found our unum again.
You know, America was founded with E pluribus Unum from Mini One.
Our one was the Bill of Rights and common sense and reason.
That's the thing.
The left has lost it.
When Trump made his victory speech, he talked about a core of common sense being underpinning everything that he was about now.
It's that, you know, when I've been on, say, Bill Maher's show, you know, Bill Maher, famous liberal, lives in Hollywood, blah, blah, blah.
Actually, on most things, I agree with Bill Maher.
And so do a lot of Republicans now, because like me, he's looked at the way the woke left have developed and realized they're so insane and so lacking in common sense that they have nothing in common with someone like him or someone like me.
So naturally, we gravitate more to the middle.
And actually, there's a lot of people there, right?
Sitting there thinking, I don't want to be extreme about anything.
But see, here's what the left left behind.
They used to be liberal, meaning the classic sense of liberal.
The classical liberal was somebody who believed in individual rights and common sense.
They just left that behind and changed the word progressive to liberal.
And then they lost all of that.
And so much has changed on the right now in America to where, like, for instance, I was for the Gulf, the Gulf, not the Gulf War, but the Iraqi war.
When it came out, I really thought that that was the right thing to do.
That was the worst thing to do.
We have changed where the conservatives were the ones who said, well, we got to be the police.
And we never liked it, but we felt we had to do the right thing, blah, blah, blah.
We are now the ones saying, no, let's get out of everybody's business.
Every time we do that, we piss the world off.
And it never works out well for anybody.
It's so interesting you say that because it reminded me of a column I did where I talked about a really interesting thing about music.
So back in the 60s, the Rolling Stones had a big hit with let's spend the night together.
And the Christian conservative right rose up in fury at the lyrics.
And when Jagger appeared, I think on the Ed Sullivan show, they said, you got to change it.
And he did because he's a pragmatic guy, Jagger.
So he changed the lyrics.
I can't remember what two, but it wasn't let's spend the night together.
And it was the conservative right that drove it.
And it was the liberal left who were enraged by the censorship.
Cut forward 50 years and you had the Firo over Baby It's Cold Outside, one of the most harmless songs ever written, with one of the most harmless videos ever written.
This time, it was John Legend, leader of the woke celebrity left, who rewrote the lyrics because it was so offensive to him.
So you've seen a complete reversal in positions on music.
And you've seen it also, as you say, in war.
Isn't that fascinating?
It is so bizarre because I find myself all the time saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
The Trump Dance and Pharma00:04:49
I've woken up to many of the things like big pharmaceuticals.
I've never been against big pharmaceuticals until we hit COVID.
And then I realized, holy cow, look at this.
And I keep saying to, you know, the Democrats who used to be against all of these things, we get it.
You were right.
Why have you abandoned that?
We're now with you if you were still standing in that position.
But somehow or another, they made the point.
It was very clear.
And they've abandoned that.
And now they're for all these things that they used to be against.
It's so bizarre.
I do find...
Yeah, I find the issue of the transgender sport issue is the one for me.
When I read the New York Times report that said that the Trump ad, which covered this, only 30 seconds, but it had Carmel is for they, them, Trump's for you, that that had potentially moved the needle by just under three points, right?
And was one of the most effective political ads in modern history.
And it completely demolished the lie from the left that nobody cares about this issue.
Everyone I've spoken to about that issue cares.
And I've been on this thing for four years now, where I've said, if you genuinely think it's fair and equal, as you legitimately try and get equal fairness and equality for trans people, if you think that the right way to do that is to erode women's rights to fairness and equality, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
And actually, it's become one of the great dividing points where if anyone on the Democrat left now still thinks it's fine for biological men to basically wreck women's sport and endanger women, then they are now the outliers.
No longer are we afraid now to say this.
Now, as we're seeing, everyone's going, actually, you know what?
We're done with that.
We're done with it because it lacks basic common sense.
Here in America, what was so bizarre this weekend was we had two UFC fights, one in Madison Square Garden, one in Dallas Cowboys Stadium.
And both of them ended with kind of a Trump dance and they were very, very, you know, very, very, Trump was very popular.
And then with every football score, somebody did, whoever made the touchdown, did the Trump dance.
And I realized, oh my gosh, all of a sudden, Trump and the MAGA movement is the cool one.
Yes, the left has completely lost cool, which is bizarre.
I knew, I knew how different things were.
I went to the Madison Square Garden rally, the infamous one.
And the Nazi one.
The Nazi one, yeah, with literally half the audience were Jewish.
And I was like, whatever.
But I went there and it was really interesting experience.
I've never been to a rally before.
And it's a very interesting experience.
It was an entertaining six hours.
But I spoke to a secret service agent.
I said, out of interest, how many protesters turned up?
They were expecting thousands.
You know, Trump, Trump rally in the heart of Manhattan at the Madison Square Garden, the iconic garden.
And 150 people turned up to protest.
Now, cut back to 2016.
That would have been 150,000.
And we've seen no protest marches since Trump won.
And in fact, as you rightly say, we've seen the opposite.
We've seen actually Trump becoming the big unifier.
And what did he do?
The great bigot chose the gay anthem of YMCA by village people, one of the great gay musical anthems in the world.
He chose that to dance to.
Not a coincidence.
I mean, a work of genius, but also because I know Trump, he's not homophobic.
He's not a bigot like that.
He's not.
He's not.
And, you know, I think he's finally now that, you know, people like RFK and Tulsi and Elon are also on his side, he's going to go back to the guy he's always been.
I think he was just hit in the face with a frying pan the first four years.
A, I don't know if he was ready for it.
I don't know if he took it seriously at the beginning.
He didn't know, and he's told me this.
I didn't know what, I didn't know who to trust.
I didn't know where the landmines were.
I didn't know.
This time he's prepared to be president of the United States.
But he also now can, he doesn't have to be on defense all the time because he's in the zeitgeist.
He's the leader of the positive.
But you know what, Glenn?
I think that's key because in his book, The Art of the Deal, he talks about if you get punched in the face, metaphorically, he means, punch the other guy back 10 times, right?
He's a natural pugilist.
He's got that New York pugilist streak.
Scale of Ambition Off the Charts00:02:57
And for the first two, three years of his tenure as president, all he got was being punched in the face.
And he reacted the only way he knows or knew, which was to punch back 10 times.
And so it was a constant war of attrition.
This time, because there isn't that scale of fury, there isn't that kind of behavior.
And even the media are going through, you know, the very liberal Donald Demeter going through a period of self-reflection about everything.
Trump doesn't need to be the pugilist now.
He can be actually a guy.
He could be a transformative president.
Yeah, and he's going to be.
I never, ever thought I would say anything like this.
He is going to be either, I mean, if he gets this stuff done, he will be remembered at least as the FDR figure reversing everything that FDR did.
But he could be so transformative that he could actually, and no offense to, I mean, I know what this means in a completely different way.
He could be a Lincoln, a transformational president as much as a Lincoln restoring the republic and writing.
People in America are excited for the first time.
I've been saying for a long time, where's the moonshot?
Where's the president who will point up to the sky and say, we're going there and we're going to do it and it's going to be hard, but it's going to be worth it.
That's what he's captivated right now in America.
And Americans are starting to believe again there is a really golden era ahead of us.
And I think Europe's going to be swept up in it.
I mean, if he can get these things done, you're going to have an end to, in a good way, to the tractors in London.
You're going to get some of these oppressive globalist kind of restrictions out of people's faces.
They don't know it yet, I don't think, but they should.
Well, where was he yesterday?
He was with Elon Musk at the star, the link of the new rocket, the SpaceX rocket.
And he literally, Musk wants to shoot to Mars.
Never mind the moon, right?
The scale of ambition is off the chunks.
He's got a guy with him who just ambition knows no bounds with Musk.
So I think that is invigorating too.
Yeah.
In a way, ambition.
I mean, I don't fully trust, you know, he is very, very ambitious.
And I don't know if his goals are my goals per se or humanity's goals.
However, he is the, for lack of a better term, the Thomas Edison or probably the Nikolai Tesla of our day.
He is the biggest entrepreneur, dreamer, scientist out there.
And that's exciting.
Dancing, Separating, and Responding00:15:58
The world used to embrace those kinds of people.
And for some reason, and we know the reasons, but he's been rejected by so much.
Those days are behind us.
People want a positive future.
And you never know what the future holds, but I am hoping that Donald Trump is going to do exactly what he said and none of the negative that the left says he will do.
You know, I don't see anything like that.
I never thought we would do like a 15-minute interview where basically we completely agree with each other.
And before I ruin it by bringing up anything which could ruin the mood music, I'm going to leave it there and thank you.
And how extraordinary that we basically found ourselves in a position where we feel exactly the same thing.
It's amazing.
Same way about it.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you, Piers.
Great.
Good job.
Thank you very much.
All the way.
Bye-bye.
Well, joining me now is the host of the Amala Ekbunobi Show, Amala Ekbunobi, the host of the Luke Beasley Show, Luke Beasley, the co-host of the Majority Report, Emma Vigeland, and the conservative commentator, Deborah Lee.
Welcome to all of you.
It's a fascinating time, isn't it, to be alive?
Because so many people like me, I never thought Glenn Beck and I would have a 15-minute chat where basically I nod my way through it and so does he.
Amala, it feels to me, I mean, just this dancing alone that is going on all over America and the lack of mass protests feels very, very different to when Trump won last time.
Are you sensing that?
Yes, 100%.
And I think a lot of it has to do with the rhetoric that's been surrounding Trump.
And I think this collective realization that we don't, we no longer have to be fearful of supporting this man and we can actually be excited about his second term.
You know, prior to this 2024 election, he's been called a fascist, a dictator on day one, an authoritarian.
He's been likened to Hitler.
And I think that created an environment where a lot of people felt like they had to sort of speak in hushed tones about their support of Donald Trump.
Some of the exit polling on election day found that young men in particular were more likely than any other demographic to sort of hide or lie about who they were supporting for president.
And now that we've gone through this election cycle, the veil is lifted a little bit.
People are coming out and they're dancing.
They're talking about what this future could look like over the next four years.
And I don't think they feel as afraid to speak up about these things.
Even the media is going and speaking to Donald Trump.
And these are publications that would have recently referred to him as Hitler or a fascist.
So I think the tables are turning a little bit.
Well, they're even heading down there to kiss the ring, which I never thought I'd see from some of the MSNBC anchors.
Luke Beasley, are you joining in the dancing?
Are you secretly bopping away there to young man by village people?
Absolutely not.
I think.
You've got to laugh at that.
I mean, before I let you go, before you start.
No, no.
You have to laugh at the irony that the guy that everyone on the left calls the biggest bigot in America chose the number one gay anthem as the one he was dancing on stage.
I mean, come on.
It's funny.
Heartwarming.
So here's what I wish some of you would engage with, which I haven't heard.
After Biden won, the MAGA side at large, Trump himself, didn't accept it.
I haven't heard you, Pierce, say, wow, it's so impressive that whenever our side loses, even though a lot of MAGA folks are saying, if the left loses, they're never going to accept it.
They're going to riot this time.
I have to be crazy.
We actually accept it.
It wasn't.
Not only have I said that, hang on, Luke.
Hang on.
Not only have I said that.
I also said two seconds.
You've challenged me.
I'm going to respond to that one point, which is actually, I said to Trump's face, I thought it was disgraceful he didn't accept the election result.
And I did say the Democrats deserve credit for the peaceful transfer.
So you're completely wrong about that.
No, during Better Pierce times, you did do that.
But I'm talking about just a general understanding.
I mean, when you agree with me.
I wish.
The Magasai would do introspection and go, wow, it's not that the left is going, oh, we just love Trump now.
It's that we're demonstrating to you what acting like an adult looks like and not lying about the election, not crying for years and years about it.
And instead going, even though we still believe Trump has these fascistic tendencies, I still believe he's a threat to our democracy.
I'm going to show you what caring about democracy looks like.
That's what Biden has done.
Let me respond.
Kamala Harris has done.
Let me respond.
When you say you're not crying about it, you might not be.
But all I've seen in the last two weeks are people, women in particular, all over TikTok, screaming, cutting their hair off, saying they're never going to have sex with a Trump voter again.
And now there's a mass exodus from X because Elon Musk owns it and he's next to Trump, from people like Bette Midler, Barbara Streisand, Don Lemon, you name it, off-gover lefties.
So I'm afraid there is a massive amount of toys out of the stroller going on.
So, you know, you can say all you like.
Say all right, what great losers you are.
All I've seen is a lot of squealing and resigning from platforms because they lost.
Yeah, you're doing a huge disservice to your audience, putting on the same discussion, trying to overthrow an election, putting together fake electors to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, trying to get local officials to find fraudulent votes that don't exist.
You're putting that on the same, in the same category as people just being upset, like has happened every time people lose always in a way that's completely peaceful.
And I've gone through this before on this show specifically, which is you have to look at people in positions of power to really get a sense of the significant responses we're seeing to certain things.
So when you look at powerful Democrats, I told you before, Vice President Harris, Biden, with character and integrity, respected these results.
Whereas Trump, him being the person in a position of power, not some random person on TikTok, didn't do that.
I agree.
You know what, Luke?
I agree with you.
I totally agree with you on that.
So, you know, just for what it's worth, I agree with you.
Let me bring in Emma because I want to play a clip.
This is of this big Nancy Mace row.
She's obviously introduced to Bill DeBar, transgender women from facilities on Capitol Hill.
This is a week after the Republican-elect Sarah McBride made history by becoming the first openly transgender person elected to Congress.
Let's take a look at the Nancy Mace explanation as to why she's doing this.
This effort in response to Congresswoman McBride's coming to Congress.
Yes, and absolutely, and then some.
I'm not going to stand for a man.
You know, if someone with a penis is in the women's locker room, that's not okay.
And I'm a victim of abuse myself.
I'm a rape survivor.
I have PTSD from the abuse I've suffered at the hands of a man.
And I know how vulnerable women and girls are in private spaces.
So I'm absolutely 100% going to stand in the way of any man who wants to be in a women's restroom, in our locker rooms, in our changing rooms.
I will be there fighting you every step of the way.
Now, Emma, Sarah McBride replied by saying this is a blatant attempt from far-right-wing extremists to distract from the fact they have no real solutions to what Americans are facing.
To which I say, well, I'm not even vaguely right.
And I think it's wrong that biological men who've become trans women should be in women's spaces.
You're not vaguely right, Piers.
No, I'm actually listening to a situation.
I would say I'm in the center.
I'm not afraid with Glenn Beck.
No, I would say that comments in the country repeatedly something's happening.
Hang on, hang on, you saw on TikTok.
Haven't finished.
Let me ask a question.
Yeah, go ahead.
I do not identify, and I know you believe a lot in self-identity.
I do not identify as conservative.
I actually, I'm like Bill Maher.
I'm just completely bemused by the woke left and how nuts you've all got, right?
And I think this election is...
Here's an old ring of libertarian history.
I haven't asked you a question, yes.
Let me ask a question.
Sure.
Right?
Here's my question.
If I, as a man who identifies as a liberal, if I can see why it's so wrong for biological men who have now become trans women to be in women's spaces, to be in women's sport, to be everywhere in women's lives where they historically were not biological men supposed to be, why are you not as exercised by this as a woman?
I don't get it.
Why?
You're all about women's lawyers.
First of all, absolutely.
I host a sports podcast.
I care deeply about sports, and I believe that anybody that identifies as a woman should be able to participate in the sport as long as it abides by the particular bylines or guidelines.
You know it's wrong.
You know it's unfair.
Said sports league.
But actually, we're talking here about Nancy Mace, who loves a camera in her face and loves attention wherever she can get it.
You know, I find it pretty disgusting that she is basically implying that this trans lawmaker, just by being in her presence in the bathroom, may rape her.
I do choose to speak up for women's rights.
I believe that I do so on my program, The Majority Report, regularly.
And I'm disgusted that Nancy Mace has decided essentially to support Donald Trump wholeheartedly, who has been found liable of sexual abuse in court.
And multiple of his cabinet appointments, picks, including Pete Hegseth and Matt Gates, have been credibly accused of sexual assault themselves.
So apparently it's triggering for her because you're not going to be able to be slightly different.
Or install Nancy.
When you say credibly accused, Trump has been found liable.
Time out.
Piers, has Trump been found liable of sexual assault in court with young people?
Trump was found guilty in a civil action.
He denied it, as you know.
And in the case of Mike.
Exactly.
And the case of Gates and Pete Hesky.
So the preponderance of evidence went in her direction.
He's talking.
And he's and she's been and he has been accused of women.
Are you finished?
I'm done.
Okay.
I'm done.
When we have a debate, the customer for the host leads it, and you respond to questions, okay?
If I may be so bold.
The point is that Heskith and Gates have categorically denied any wrongdoing, and none has been proven against them.
In Trump's case, it was a civil action, as you know, not a criminal action.
The criminal case against him was shuffling paperwork over an alleged one-night stand with a porn star.
So it's not quite how you categorized it.
Deborah Lee, let me bring you in.
Has this trans lawmaker been accused of rape?
Has this trans lawmaker?
No, but actually, if you are a congresswoman, if you're a congresswoman who survives sexual assault, you should be entitled to feel safe in the restroom.
The presence of a trans woman in the bathroom.
Oh, gosh.
Gosh, you know, here in New York, there are a lot of multi-gender bathrooms, and I've gone to the bathroom next to a man.
Oh, my goodness, it was so fearful.
What was that?
I would actually be quite fearful of you.
If I found you lurking next to me in a men's restroom, I'd feel fearful.
Deborah Lee, let me bring you in here.
That is a ridiculous accusation, Pierce.
I didn't make an accusation.
It was a statement of fact.
I would feel fearful.
You would feel uncomfortable.
Why would you feel further?
If you were lurking around me in a men's urinal, damn right, I'd feel like going to.
Lurking?
Who's lurking?
Well, what else would you be doing?
Is this lawmaker lurking?
What else would you be doing there?
Going to the restroom.
I don't want you going to my restroom.
Stick in your own restroom.
For my safety, never mind yours.
But would a man be lurking?
Would a man, a biological man?
Is he working that?
That's the whole point.
Why is there something inherently perverted about going to the bathroom?
You right-wingers, and yes, I'm including you in this with this classical liberal BS, are so bad faith.
It's incredible.
You are linking sexual abuse and sexual assault to trans people inherently.
And that is a bigot issue.
No, I want trans people to have, I want them to have fairness and equality like the rest of us, just not where it erodes women's rights.
But Deborah Lee, you've been listening to this patient.
But separate, separate by separate by eating.
There are four people on the panel.
I'm going to respond to that.
Deborah, your response.
Hey!
As somebody who grew up as an athlete, I would have been terrified if there was a man in my sports, in my leagues, playing against me.
My own brother, who's two years older than me, anytime we would play basketball against each other, you would knock me down.
And you say that you speak up for women's rights, but have you heard about the case in Virginia where a man put on a skirt, even though he went with male pronouns and went into the bathroom and sexually assaulted a 15-year-old girl?
And now the parents are suing the school because they tried covering it up.
You want to protect women?
We're not saying that every single trans person has violent tendencies, but it's opening this up that any single person, if there's no checks on this, any man can put on a skirt, say, I'm a woman, and go into the bathroom.
And it's paving the way to make it easier for predators to attack women.
And I don't know why you're so offended that women want to be able to use the bathroom without men in the bathroom.
That is something that is totally normal and fair to ask.
I just find it amazing.
Honestly, I find it amazing that on the left, if we talk about abortion, all hell breaks loose.
Women should be protected.
Women must feel safe.
Women must have rights.
Women should have autonomy over their bodies.
And yet, when it comes to sport, you're quite happy for biological males.
Let's put it this way.
You know what?
Hang on.
You've got to let me finish your question.
I think it's a little different.
You've got to let me finish a question.
Sorry, Emma.
You really are not familiar with how these things are.
No, no, no.
You have to let me ask you.
Should Yang Ming have been banned from the NBA because he's too tall?
I mean, we've got to make it be fair in competition.
I'll tell you what's not fair.
When you have a boxer in the Women's Olympics boxing winning a gold medal who has male chromosomes, you beat up one of his opponents.
Based on a Russian credited.
Please stop talking when I'm talking.
It's so boring for everyone watching.
They can't hear us if you do that, right?
I mean, this is your whole thing.
I mean, you're doing debates about the genocide and God.
Am I going to have to mute you?
Because honestly, everyone is sick of this now.
Just please conduct yourself properly in the debate.
Otherwise, we get nowhere, right?
Let me bring in Amala.
You've been waiting patiently.
What do you think of this?
Yeah, I mean, I just have a question.
How many more anecdotes do you need of women and young girls being assaulted due to these laws and regulations for you to actually care about it?
I've heard many stories.
I'm in Los Angeles.
I'll tell you what.
We saw in Los Angeles.
We had a grown man here in Wespa in Los Angeles.
We had a grown man actually go into the women's locker room at a spa, expose themselves to all the women there, all of the young girls there.
In Loudoun County, Virginia, you had a young girl who was raped in her school bathroom, a place where she is meant to feel safe by a trans-identifying student in the state of New Jersey.
In their prison system, they allowed trans-identifying women to go ahead and move over to the women's facility.
That ended up with two pregnant inmates, be it consensual or non-consensual, it does not matter.
These situations are 100% avoidable.
And we are in no way characterizing all trans women as being predatory in nature by any means.
It is to say that you are opening a door that needs to remain closed.
And our comfort does matter.
Our safety does matter.
And by the way, by the way, Amala, by the way.
Hang on, Emma, I'll come back to you.
Emma, I'll come back to you.
But also, fairness matters too.
So the United Nations two weeks ago had a report that said just under 900 medals have been won by trans athletes in women's sport, thus depriving biological actual women from winning medals because they are literally not as strong, not as powerful, do not have the endurance of the trans women athletes because they have male physiology.
How can that be right?
900 medals.
Assaults on Women's Spaces00:03:58
Piers, Piers.
Yes.
Explain to me.
Why don't you care?
First of all, so why don't I care about that?
One is the fact that this should be determined by those specific bodies.
It's not at the top of my priority list.
Some are male.
Some are female.
That's why we separate that women are bleeding out in parking lots.
That trans youth are committing suicide at extremely high rates because of this exact kind of rhetoric where you otherwise identity of their choice.
Well, you mean standing up for women's rights available to all of these kids?
If trans care was available to these kids, they would develop in the exact same way where none of this would even matter.
And so back to what was being said before about these assaults on other people.
Back to what was being said before about assaults on these people.
I think they should be prosecuted.
And definitely, I'm completely against the idea that we should let someone slide just based on their identity if they assault somebody, which is why I'm sure everybody on this panel that is obsessed with this issue has been talking repeatedly, over and over again about the rape in male prisons by male prisoners repeatedly against their same violence and transgender.
Is that what happens?
So how many people are younger?
You never hear.
Not about that transition.
You never hear about a trans man having an unfair advantage in male sport.
Why is that?
How come we never hear about that?
There are trans man because we amplify moral panic.
Because they have inferior physiology.
Just like it was about how seductive is that.
You don't hear about it because it's not an issue.
Because they can't win.
Let me bring in.
All right.
Let me bring it out.
These are issues that are titillating to white liberals and titillating.
How weird you would say titillating.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, what's ridiculous is that you're not.
For you, it clearly is.
You're not focusing on any of the more systemic rape issue in our prisons and in our facilities.
Haven't asked me about that.
But I just did.
Why haven't you been talking about male rape and male way more likely to occur than it's been?
Yeah, Luke, jump in.
Then dedicate more segments to it then.
Dedicate more segments to it.
I'll take your advice on what segments we should be doing.
We are the fastest growing YouTube channel in the world.
So we're probably getting it about right.
Luke.
Okay, yeah.
So I do think we, with all these things, even the Lake and Riley case as an example, we always want to be super understand the gravity and the pain of the individual stories that we're talking about that connect to larger issues, but then also include the broader context, which is that with this bathroom issue, you don't see in the data increase in assaults with trans people in the bathroom they identify with,
but you do see when they're forced to go into the bathroom they don't identify with or that's aligned with the biological sex they were born as, an increase in assaults on the trans person.
So that's important to remember.
And I don't think we need to merge every single issue because I think as Emma referenced, but as a lot of people acknowledge, while we don't understand what the fixation is necessarily or why this is used to distract from all these other more consequential issues, I don't think most people have an issue with leagues, especially professional leagues, implementing restrictions to make sure things are fair.
Sometimes that's, have you transitioned enough where you don't have the edge or whatever it might be?
It's fine for those leagues to make sure that it's fair.
And I don't think that debate is actually going on like this program might make it out to the other side.
We're going to move on to another.
We're going to move on to something else.
I mean, look, I just don't think there is any debate to be had about the sport issue.
I totally agree with you.
Hang on.
I totally agree with Trump about the sport thing.
Trans women athletes should not be allowed to compete against women.
They should have their own category, or they should compete against the category most of them used to compete in, which is the men's category.
But the reason they don't is they're making far more money and they're far more successful competing against women because they have an unfair advantage.
And that's what's wrong with you.
Defining Fascism Without Hitler00:14:47
Anyway, I want to move on to Jon Stewart talking about Mika and Joe from obviously MSNBC, who went down to kiss the Trump ring after calling him Hitler for a few years.
Let's take a look.
Joe and Mika Brzezinski Scarborough, who famously warned of the growing threat of Trump's fascism, also had an interesting announcement to make.
Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the president-elect himself.
On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that.
Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago to meet personally with president-elect Trump.
And for those asking why we would go speak to the president-elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back: why wouldn't we?
Because you said he was Hitler.
I mean, Deborah Lee, Jon Stewart has a point.
You know, I like Mika and Joe.
And actually, I think there's nothing wrong with them trying to build bridges with Trump, but they did all call him Hitler and a fascist.
No, they didn't.
And an existential threat to democracy.
And if you really believe that, it's a bit like Biden inviting Trump for a little, you know, cheerful, chappy photo shoot at the White House.
If you really think he's going to finish democracy in America, if you really think he's a fascist, if you really think he's a neo-Nazi, why would you do that?
It's so disingenuous.
And that was a lot of Republicans.
Deborah, I'll come to you, especially if you agree with me.
You have your task.
Don't worry.
But, Deborah, you go first.
Joe Biden put on the Donald Trump hat.
And as somebody who is a very proud Jew, I'm sick.
And we're all sick of the left, even the right, using Jewish atrocities to try and garner the vote for their horrific policies that don't help Jews.
They don't help Americans.
They don't help anybody.
They just destroy America.
And so I think it's disgusting that people have been calling Trump Hitler, but it also aligns.
They want us to believe that they're saying Trump is Hitler, but then also we have such safe and secure elections in the past and they would never do anything in this country to ever stop Trump from winning the election.
If you thought Donald Trump was truly modern-day Hitler and would be a horrific leader to this country, would you not genuinely do everything in your power to stop him from getting into office?
Because if I truly believe that Joe Biden was Hitler, I would do everything, legal or not, to try and stop him from getting into office because Hitler is the worst person in probably all of history, but definitely modern Spanish.
You know what?
I went to the horrific exterminator.
I went to the Madison Square Garden rally.
Do you know how many protesters turned up when Hitler came to the middle of Manhattan, the great liberal democracy, in their iconic venue?
150 bothered to get off their lazy backsides from screaming Hitler and fascism for years to go and protest.
They couldn't be bothered because you know what?
It's almost like they didn't believe what they were doing at a Trump rally.
It's like they didn't believe what they were saying, right?
Emma, you wanted to agree with me, so I'll come to you.
So there you go.
I do agree with you that it's, I think it's pretty disingenuous and crazy that Nika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough went down there and kissed the ring, or as my producer on our show referred to it in Atlantic, kissed the onion ring, which was pretty funny given Trump's proclivity for fast food.
And it speaks to, yes, the hollowness of our corporate media in terms of what they actually say and believe.
The person who actually first really said the Hitler thing was Trump's former chief of staff who worked closely with him.
Also, Trump's ex-wife, Ivana, in their divorce proceedings, said that Trump had a book of Hitler's speeches on his bedside table.
And other people have accused him of being authoritarian in the past.
The problem is that, yes, our corporate media and even frankly, many in the Democratic Party did not treat the threat that Trump poses with the respective urgency that it requires.
And so it rang hollow to voters.
This is a problem with the messaging of the Democratic Party, but it says it does nothing to undercut the very real threat that Trump poses.
He was twice impeached in this country, and the second time was for trying to overturn the Democratic results of an election that resulted in a violent coup that killed multiple people.
So when we talk about Donald Trump as a threat to this country, there doesn't need to be any theoretical conversation.
We have very real evidence for it.
And now he's learned all the wrong lessons, fast-tracking basically cronies into the administration.
And yes, the media rolling over on its belly and accepting his extremist rhetoric is a big part of the problem.
And yeah, and in the middle of the morning, corporations capitulating to fascists.
All right.
You have me for that.
You have me for some of that.
But once you start talking about his extremist language and stuff, you're missing the point.
The reason he won so big is that most Americans don't think he does have extremist views.
They think a lot of it is just common sense.
Tell them about it, Piers.
Luke?
That is a failure of the messaging of the Democratic Party.
Unfortunately, Donald Trump did, has said he wants to mass deport millions of people.
You know the biggest mass deporter of modern times in American history?
Barack?
He should mass deporter.
Barack Obama.
Barack Obama deporting 3 million people.
Barack Obama.
Yeah.
He's the big deporter.
He's one of the people who are not.
I'm not a Democratic hack, Piers.
Piers.
I'm not a Democratic hack.
I will clearly.
That's what I'm saying.
Let me bring Luke.
Let me bring Luke.
I call things like they are.
So I just hear that a lot comes out of your mouth, I've noticed, repeatedly, and without breaking for breath.
So have a breath.
Let me bring Luke in.
I feel like I've told you this, Piers.
Deborah and I just recently had a conversation on my show.
I definitely clarified this for her.
No one, again, relevant, prominent Democrats in positions of power are saying Trump is Hitler.
Stop with that.
It's the whiniest thing.
No one says that.
If you think we should...
The Madison Square Garden thing was literally described as a neo-Nazi rally.
A neo-Nazi rally.
When Trump said, it was full of Jewish people.
He was a Holocaust survivor of the history.
I haven't called it that.
I haven't called it that.
Can I please finish the dang point?
The point that I'm, I don't really care about the Mika Joe thing is just, yeah, sort of cringe, but much more important is that we keep going around this merry-go-round.
Oh, they called him Hitler, now this, now that.
I'm sure some random people on the internet say that.
But again, that's not the line from Biden and Harris.
That's not the line from the administration.
So can you please fight?
So you think he is a fascist?
That's a horrible line to live by.
That's ridiculous.
Right, Luke, but Luke, let's be clear, Luke, you think he is a fascist of your behavior on this.
Is he a fascist?
Luke, is he a fascist?
Of course, he absolutely exhibits fascistic tendencies.
So why did Joe Biden invite a fascist to the White House?
Is he a fascist sympathizer?
Because, oh, yeah, I wanted to mention that from Deborah's point.
If you respect democracy first and foremost, the fascists in the room.
The democratic will of the people is more important than what you feel about the ideology.
And it's important to point out we have to learn from history, not to equate things, but to say, okay, what signs can we get from the power of the people?
So a peaceful transfer of power to a man you believe is a fascist.
I'm curious what you would describe, you, Piers, what you would describe trying to illegally stay in power despite losing an election.
What do you call that?
I thought it was completely outrageous when he was talking about it.
But I'll tell you, I tell you what.
But Luke, explain that to you, Deborah.
You know why.
Outrageous.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Because you wake up and think about it all day, every day.
You guys are so abused.
Luke, ask me a question.
Let me answer.
Let me answer.
Here's what I think a fascist is.
A fascist is somebody who wants everybody else to conform to their narrow worldview.
They want to dictate how you lead your life, what books you write.
Hang on, hang on.
Don't all jump in.
What books you read?
What movies you read?
Incorrect and fascist and incorrect.
Try hard, Emma.
Just take a little vow of silence for a few seconds, right?
What heroes you're allowed to admire, what statues you can respect, what clothes you can wear, what songs you can listen to, blah, So you know who the actual purest personification of a modern-day fascist is?
A member of the woke brigade.
Because that's exactly what the woke people do.
They behave like fascists.
And you may not want to hear it, but trust me, you do.
No, based on your false definition of fascism, you can scroll down.
Someone told a bad joke.
Cancel him.
Destroy him.
Fire him.
It's fascism.
Yes, yes.
Fascism is apparently liberal college students being a little bit too sensitive with their pronouns.
It's not a highly militaristic person.
We should get rid of all pronouns.
We shouldn't have to political ideology.
You know why?
Because the most fucking hits.
I hope Democrats go on with that.
You're going to get down fascism.
Why are you watering down fascism when it's ultimately the same?
I'm calling you the fascist of 6 million people.
You're watering down fascism by saying Donald Trump is a clever LGBTQI.
You've done that yourself.
You never set up.
Everybody is.
I said he ran a fascism campaign.
And also go over each other.
You guys are the ones that are watering down.
Piers, you set up this false premise, Piers.
You set up a false definition.
What's the false premise?
What's the false definition that meets no academic standards of what fascism is?
I just laid it out for you.
Fascism is a highly militarized, nationalistic political ideology that often involves corporate power consolidating with the state.
See, Elon and Trump going together that talks about a mythologized past that we need to return to by demonizing either political or specific migrant groups.
Exactly.
But the specific in the world.
It's so weird you would describe that as fascism.
You could describe it as ethnicity.
Let me bring it in.
Hang on.
Let me bring it in Amala.
So no, no, no.
I'm using an automatic definition of fascism came out of the middle of the day.
Do my ears in, Emma.
Amala.
Amala, is making America great again a form of fascism?
Because it goes back in America's history.
Not in my opinion.
No, I think people have really run with this whole, I don't know, shall we call it, slogan and made it into something that it is very much not.
America has virtually always been great, in my opinion, especially with its ideals and its values.
And when we talk about these two journalists who chose to go to Mar-a-Lago and sit across from Donald Trump, I think we saw Sonny Hostin of The View say, you know, how can you really speak truth to power if this is how you're going to treat Donald Trump?
How else do you speak truth to power if you won't go and sit at the table across from it?
When we talk about Mika and Joe, the real problem is that they've likened him to Hitler.
They've called him a fascist.
They called him a threat to democracy.
It's not a problem that they're going to Mar-a-Lago as journalists should speak to one of the most powerful people in the world.
If they maintain their journalistic integrity, that's more than okay.
Yeah, totally agree with you.
I want to switch gears slightly.
Hang on, Luke.
I want to change gears.
Just we've got a few minutes left.
I want to talk about the nominee picks, which I'm sure have sent you into some form of metaphorical anaphylactic shock.
But let's go through them.
I mean, here's what I look at in totality.
A, I'm going to wait for them to see who gets confirmed.
B, I want to wait and see them what they do.
Then I will pass judgment.
But actually, if you look at a lot of them, like Lyndon McMahon, unbelievably successful entrepreneur in America, building one of the great businesses in modern America, billions and billions of dollars pouring in, very strong educational bent.
Why wouldn't you want someone like that running a big department in an American presidency, administration?
So just quickly closing thought on the last thing.
It's crazy that we do this.
Like I said, Mary Go Round, we go back and forth on the fashion stuff.
We're just saying, I don't like the Trump post on True Social, a massive fraudulent type married termination of all rules, regulation articles, even those found in the Constitution saying that the Constitution should be termed.
Can we move on to the other thing?
It's getting a bit squeezed.
Last thing, I don't like that he said the government should come down hard on MSNBC, stuff like that.
I go, that looks kind of fascist.
And the fact that we point that out is not as calling Hitler.
But yes, I don't think on some of them they will be less controversial.
And then, yeah, I'm really concerned that, for example, Matt Gates could be our next Attorney General.
That gives me a major ick.
Deborah?
I'm excited.
A lot of this is.
I thought you said this.
So far, his appointments have been the most pro-Israel members and the most pro-America members.
I think Marco Rubio, Elise Stefanik, these are all incredible people, people that I have looked up to for a long time, good, true leadership.
And I'm so excited.
I think that this is the dream team and we are going to make America.
I agree with Amla, of course.
America has always been fabulous, but we can always improve and get back to the great values like freedom of speech, like protecting women, protecting children, having fair, free economy, and supporting small businesses and everything that truly makes America the most fabulous, amazing country in the history of the world.
So I'm excited.
I think this is going to be even better than the last administration.
And we have a lot of work to do.
And having the House and the Senate, hopefully that means that we can really just knock out legislation and take back this country to what we know it can be, which is a great free light that the rest of the world looks at and wishes they could be us, which they still do.
All right, but Deborah, Matt Gates, Attorney General, really?
So on that one, there was an article put out by Fox where they actually granted anonymity to a lot of GOP House members and Senate members where they were saying that they don't believe that he's going to get confirmed, that they're not going to be a firm.
So like you, Piers, I'm also waiting now.
I don't, I'm not so sure that they will confirm him, but at the end of the day, I could see it happening.
Do I think I should confirm him?
Personally, I do not.
I think that it's important for me to have strong leadership and people who can be examples.
And while I do believe, I don't just think that we should believe all women who make accusations.
I think it's important to elect people who young men and women can look up to and really feel confident in.
So I would prefer somebody who was maybe a little bit more experienced, maybe somebody a little bit less controversial.
But I do like the things that he says.
I think he's funny.
And I think he would do a good job as press secretary, too, because he just, he doesn't care.
He knows exactly what to say.
And she's 100% Matt Gates, which I respect.
Okay, Emma, I assume you hate all of them.
So let's just choose the three you hate most.
Oh, gosh.
I mean, I'll just essentially say that I think the Linda McMahon point is really unfortunate.
I don't really care if somebody can make a lot of money, specifically the McMahons did on union busting their workforce.
I care more about if they care deeply about education policy and making sure that we don't gut the Department of Education, which has been a stated goal of the Trump team.
Diddy Scandal and Education Policy00:03:48
I'm deeply concerned.
On that, on that plan to be able to do that.
Let me come back to your statement.
Let me come back to your education.
I mean, given how far behind America is in the global league tables on so many education metrics, why are you comfortable about the way the Department of Education has run things for the last few decades?
I am absolutely not comfortable with that.
University of China and countries like that.
Well, in part due to Republican policies, including Betsy DeVos and other Republican states furthering voucher programs that someone else is.
About when you got in charge.
I'm going to turn them into private institutions.
So, about the eight years of Bill Clinton, the eight years ago.
I did not agree.
Don't just blame Republicans.
I mean, yes, unfortunately, voter voucher programs were a little bit more bipartisan back during the Obama days, but we just saw it got rejected in the Red State.
That isn't why you're not going to be able to do it.
You're not letting me finish my sentence.
I mean, for all your accusations with me, you're cutting me off in the middle of what I'm saying.
Please.
I'm saying what I'm concerned about for the Trump administration.
So, I'm concerned that they are, as they have stated, going to gut the administrative state, which includes our education, our Department of Education, the Department of Transportation, all of these things that make the government function.
His essentially stated goal has been to do away with them.
The Republican Party also has long, since basic for the past hundred years been trying to gut Social Security.
I believe that they also want to cut into Medicare and Medicaid when they talk about raising the retirement age.
That's essentially a cut.
These are programs that Social Security keeps nearly two-thirds of our seniors out of poverty.
I am terrified about that prospect, and that is what the Republicans.
And so, I don't think it's liberal hysteria because I'm concerned about people going into poverty.
And if you want to make it about blue-haired weirdos on TikTok, sure, but these have material consequences for the majority of our population.
Okay, Amala, before we finish, I want to talk to you just completely separately about P. Diddy, because you've had a very interesting experience with Diddy.
Tell me about that.
Yeah, so just yesterday, we had two private investigators, sorry, the day before yesterday, go ahead and visit an old resident of mine.
They showed up at the door.
Now, a friend of mine remains at that residence.
She answered the door.
These two men were claiming to be there to talk to me about my YouTube channel, whether or not I received funding for any of the stories or topics that I cover on my show.
She ended up giving me a call.
I was able to speak to these two men as they were at her door.
And through lots of probing and asking them several questions about who they work for and why they were at my door, they end up admitting that they are private investigators who are working on behalf of a client that they would not disclose, traveling around to the houses of influencers, knocking their doors and trying to figure out whether or not they've been paid by a certain institution, company, entity to discuss P. Diddy's lawsuits and his connection to other celebrities.
Now, upon finding out that I was not paid, they also let me know that had they found out I was paid by a certain company entity client, they would offer to pay me to disclose exactly who that was.
And they'd like to know the business deal that I made with them in order to pay me more to promote the opposite narrative.
So obviously I was taken aback by this visit.
Very, very strange.
Very strange.
And there's a lot of stuff swirling around about this case.
I suspect we've only heard the half of it so far, but thank you for sharing that.
And yeah, very, very concerning, actually, the way that went down with you.
Thank you to my panel.
Emma, lovely to have you on Uncensored.
Let's end on a happy note, shall we?
Hi, nice to meet you, Piers.
Luke, good to see you again.
Deborah, good to see you again.
And Amala, thank you very much again for coming back on.