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Oct. 30, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Garbage Labeling Supporters 00:14:22
If this is your closing argument, the only garbage I see floating out there is your supporters.
We truly hate half of this country.
This could literally cost them not just the presidential.
I think this could cost them the Senate.
You know Biden's senile.
You guys said he was senile and should get out of the race.
Now you're like, oh, no, no, he means it.
He's perfectly cogent.
He represents all Democrats.
Ben, I'm about to kick your ass.
Calm down.
I'm here for the maggoteers.
They're sugar from my tracks.
So talk about selective outrage.
You cry over misgendering someone.
When a dude looks like a dude and identifies as a woman and is called she, you start crying.
He's called them radical left lunatics, Marxist, communist, fascist.
He said that we should use the military to attack the enemy from within.
And then you're pretending that all of a sudden you caught feelings.
The Harris campaign began with joy and closed with fear.
Hope became Hitler.
Vibes became tribes.
And the Brat Summer, well, it became a flat fall.
The vice president made her final argument last night.
She chose the ellipse in Washington, D.C.
And again, the argument was more about how awful Donald Trump is than about how good she is.
In fact, she mentioned Trump 24 times.
We know who Donald Trump is.
He is the person who stood at this very spot nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to the United States Capitol to overturn the will of the people in a free and fair election.
An election that he knew he lost.
Well, the polls have told us for weeks that voters feel Harris has not yet defined who she is and what she really wants to do.
Last night she tried and she really did try.
There's a lot more autobiography.
It was a self-effacing plea to be given a chance.
Above all, she tried to cast herself as a unifying force in a country knotted by division.
But the crucial final days of her campaign have been squandered on a dark fantasy of fascists, gulangs, and Nazis.
You can't unite and divide at the same time.
You can't be for joy and nihilistic narcissism at the same time.
And even as she spoke, looming behind her in the White House, the ghost of elections past appeared to give her one last splitting headache.
And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a floating isle of garbage.
Well, let me tell you something.
I don't know the Puerto Rican that I know or Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware.
They're good, decent, honorable people.
The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.
Well, that was a staggeringly stupid outburst, which belongs in Hillary Clinton's infamous basket of deplorable slur against effectively half of America.
I didn't like Tony Hinchcliffe's jokes at the Trump rally.
I just didn't think they were very funny.
But we've had two days of uproar about an Acerbic comedian known for his roasts because he joked that Puerto Rico is an island of garbage.
But now the president of the United States has declared that half the population of his own country is human trash.
It's hard to imagine a better way of turning out the Republican vote.
Meanwhile, the Democrats' strategy for turning out their own vote appears to be full-blown shrieking hysteria.
The stakes literally are life and death for every woman in America.
I mean, you're a journalist.
You and I might be sharing a cell in, you know, six months from now.
Internment camps?
Yes, he has talked to internment camps.
Taking from a Brit, this is starting to feel like the Brexit debate back in England.
I voted and argued against that decision to leave the European Union.
I still do.
But the Brexit campaigners ran a smart campaign which branded their opponents as Project Fear, while the Remain campaign ran around saying everyone on the other side was a terrible racist.
If you browbeat people who are not happy with the state of their lives by telling them that everything will get even worse if they dare to defy you, well, don't be surprised if they decide to roll the dice.
To debate, I'm joined by Cheng Uger, who's the host and founder of The Young Turks, by Wajah Ali, the co-host of the Democracy podcast, Ben Ferguson, co-host of Verdict with Ted Cruz and broadcaster and influencer Emily Austin.
Well, four absolute powerhouses to debate all this.
And we're going to debate, well, we're going to debate garbage, Hitler, and war.
What could bring the four of us all together, or five of us all together, better than that?
Let me start with you, Ben Ferguson.
It's been a tough couple of days for Donald Trump ever since the rally, which I was at at Madison Square Garden, where they're on the back foot trying to defend what this comedian, Tony Hinchcliffe, has said about Puerto Rico being an island of garbage.
And it must have felt like literal manna from heaven last night when Joe Biden suddenly appeared out of nowhere in his bunker on a Skype call of all things, right as Carmela Harris was presenting her final plea to the nation.
And he calls basically every Trump voter in America, so 80 million plus people, garbage.
You're fair.
Look, in politics, the last week of a campaign, your surrogate's job is to do no harm.
And Joe Biden went out there and said something that was just unconscionable.
And if you're going to say you're outraged by a comedian, and I was, I didn't like what he said either.
I think most people were pretty, you know, bang on with what you and I saw.
Like, come on, like, don't say that.
I disagree with it.
And it was a bad moment for the campaign because now you're not talking about the issues in that moment.
But when he walks out there and he says that Americans are, as he describes it, you know, floating garbage, that's the gift that just keeps on giving.
But when you connect the dots, like as much as people say that he's senile and obviously had to drop out of this race, look at what the Democratic Party has said.
That, you know, we cling, conservatives cling to God and they mock God and guns.
You have, you know, Kamala the other day saying you're at the wrong rally when someone says something about believing in Jesus Christ.
And then you've got the basket of deplorables and, oh, yeah, by the way, Donald Trump's Hitler in the last week and that he's a fascist and that Kamala Harris believes a fascist.
If this is your closing argument to the American people that we truly hate half of this country and we think that you are deplorables, that you are garbage, that you are fascists, that you are Nazis, that you are Hitler.
I don't think that's the closing argument that the Democratic Party or any strategist would say, yes, this is what you should be saying in the last days.
And I think this could literally cost them not just the presidential.
I think this could cost them the Senate and I think it could cost them some House seats as well because it is the worst things you could say about half the country going into the final days.
You're supposed to have some hope.
I mean, Barack Obama, remember, why did he win?
He won because he ran off of hope and change.
There was some unity in his message.
It was hard to land punches against him when he was running against McCain.
And people felt like he was going to bring the country together.
Kama Harris is doing the complete opposite of that.
I don't understand.
It's inexplicable to me that this is their campaign strategy.
All right, Chank, you've been smirking there, but I've got to say, you tweeted several days ago, you thought Trump might be heading for victory.
When I heard this garbage line last night from Biden, and whatever the White House tries to do by putting an apostrophe at the end, trying to pretend he was talking about Hinchcliffe, it's very clear he said supporters.
If you label Trump's supporters as garbage, you are falling into exactly the same trap as Ben Ferguson just said that Hillary Clinton did of wiping out an entire section of the American society as deplorable, garbage, whatever.
And coming off the back of the absurd Nazi Hitler nonsense, what happened?
My question for you is, what happened to the joy?
Where's the joy gone here?
You see, I've still got the joy because I'm about to tell you how ridiculous you guys are.
But first, let me acknowledge things that are true.
So, number one, Biden shouldn't have said it.
Look, my co-host, Holly Young Turks Anna Kasparian has been trying to get everybody to stop attacking the voters themselves.
I think she's absolutely right about that.
I've been guilty of that in the past, and we're trying to get past this.
So, Biden shouldn't have said that.
On the other hand, you know, Biden's senile.
I mean, look at that clip that you played, stuttering up Puerto Rico, Delaware.
And we're still, you guys said he was senile and should get out of the race.
Now you're like, oh, no, no, he means it.
He's perfectly cogent.
He represents all Democrats.
Well, hang on.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Henile.
Hang on.
Okay, here we go.
Of course.
Just to be clear.
Of course.
Just to be clear.
Ben speaks for two minutes, and I always get a lot of people.
No, no, no.
You'll have plenty of time.
But just to be clear, he remains the president of the United States.
Joe Biden hasn't quit.
He remains in the Oval Office running your country.
So I'm sorry to jump in.
Piers, we may think he's senile, which I do, but he's still running your country.
Okay, Piers, you know my position on Biden.
I ran against him because I thought he was senile and I thought it was ridiculous.
But now all of a sudden you're pretending he's not senile.
He is senile.
It's like getting mad at somebody with Alzheimer's.
What are you getting mad at him for?
What is ridiculous?
But that's not the point, guys.
Look, I'm granting you that he definitely shouldn't have said that.
And Debbie Dingle definitely shouldn't have said internment camps because Trump never said that.
Now, having said that, guys, are you really pretending to be offended after you've supported Donald Trump, who has said everything in the world about left-wing voters, radical left lunatics?
Here we go again.
No, no interruptions.
He's called them radical left lunatics, Marxist, communist, fascist.
He said that we should use the military to attack the enemy from within.
And then you're pretending that all of a sudden you caught feelings.
MAGA, do better than that.
You're being ridiculous and you know it.
Now you're snowflakes.
Now you're snowflakes.
After all, that's snowflakes.
Hang on.
Don't all shout.
Let me bring in Emily.
Let me bring in Emily.
Emily, apparently we're snowflakes if we're offended by Joe Biden calling 80 million Americans garbage.
I don't think that's snowflaker.
I mean, I do remember for the last three days, all I've heard is Democrats screaming.
We're all ignoring all the things Trump has said.
You've had your say.
You've had your say.
That's the most vicious of our lifetime.
The way Democrats are pursuing driven slowfalls.
Hang on.
The way Democrats have pivoted in the last three days from garbage is the worst slur imaginable to just because Joe Biden calls 80 million Americans garbage, suddenly, why are you getting so offended is laughable.
Emily, to you.
Okay, let me make something clear.
The Republicans are not snowflakes.
And since Biden called the Americans who support Trump garbage, all I've seen on X are memes of people going to vote now in garbage bags, memes of people putting trash cans on the street and saying it's a family portrait.
Republicans are not snowflakes.
And truth be told, I don't think anyone's offended because yes, our sitting president who has nuclear codes is a senile old man.
That let me remind everyone, Kamala, literally two and a half months ago, was endorsing him and reminding everyone that he is sharp as attack.
But here's the issue.
It doesn't speak to the Republicans.
It's showing the American people, despite Harris Walls claiming they're the party of unity and they're for everyone.
And yes, Harris is a continuation of Biden, who's failed as a president.
They claim to try to unite everyone.
But then the sitting president goes out and says, oh, you all are garbage.
We don't care what he says.
He's delusional.
But it speaks to their character.
It speaks to their party and it speaks to their values.
And that is a problem that they're showing the American people their true colors.
Republicans don't care.
Call us garbage.
Call us horribles.
We just want our president in office.
Okay, Vajah.
I mean, look at that.
How about you?
Hang on, come attack us a thousand times that you totally.
Totally Hitler.
We don't call you Hitler.
You don't say she can't get a chance.
Hang on, hang on.
He's called us Marxists.
We're coming to Hitler.
We're coming to Hitler, which is now only the second most offensive thing of the week.
Vajahat, from a political point of view, the stupidity of what Biden did can't be overstated, really, because Kamala Harris, I watched it last night.
Look, I think she talks a lot of word-salad nonsense.
Honestly, I do.
She wouldn't inspire me to open a crissback, let alone vote for her.
However, she's the Democrat nominee.
The polls are absolutely neck and neck, particularly in the swing states.
The very last thing she would have wanted when she's presented her final argument to the nation is for Joe Biden, the guy she's replaced, who's still her president, to pop up on a Skype call of all things and say this kind of thing, which, whether it's been misinterpreted or not, and I don't think it has been, gee, it's just such a gift to Republicans, isn't it?
This is me playing the world's smallest violin for all the fake outrage of MAGA and Trump supporters, who I believe are the most fickle, brittle, weak people on earth, who can dispense cruelty and demand civility, who hate safe spaces for everyone, want safe spaces for themselves, and who, by the way, with this hypocritical fake outrage, the reason why I don't think most people will care is because people know what Trump is for the past nine years.
And just yesterday, Donald Trump, who is running for president, Joe Biden is not, and Joe Biden, he's 81 years old, he has a stutter.
And by the way, I appreciate the context that he gave.
I don't think he needed to do, but he did.
Donald Trump yesterday, final pitch of the country.
You know what he called America?
A garbage can.
Donald Trump said all of us, 340 million Americans, live in a garbage can.
Yes, he did.
Yesterday in his speech, he said America is a garbage can.
Yesterday, Donald Trump said Democrats were the majority are sick and evil people.
Yesterday, folks, Donald Trump, when he confronted context.
If you talk about context, let me finish.
Ben, don't gish gallop.
Ben, I'm about to kick your ass.
Don't gish gallop.
Just listen to me.
I listen to you.
You're like a baby 2015.
Okay.
Just let me listen.
I'm going to do it with a smile on my face.
Hang on.
Calm down.
Don't talk over each other because people can't hear.
But I do really.
Trumps America Is Trash Claim 00:03:15
I'm not going to get beat up here.
Hang on.
I do want to see Vajahat try and kick Ben Ferguson's ass.
So off you go, Ben.
That's not going to happen.
I'm going to do it with a smile on my face.
I'm going to do it relax.
Yesterday, when Donald Trump was confronted with, I'm glad you and Ben and Pierce agree that it was horrific, disgusting comments against Puerto Rico, black people, against Jews, against Palestinians, against women, which, by the way, have rallied Puerto Ricans all across America.
You know what Donald Trump said?
No big deal.
Yesterday, this past week, JD Vance said, get over it.
JD Vance, his vice president, is the one who called them Hitler.
By the way, guess who said that Donald Trump praises Hitler?
Four-star General John Kelly.
Just the past two weeks.
In the final two weeks of his campaign to unify America, you know what Donald Trump said?
That the people who are against him are enemy of the people, another Hitler line.
And he said he would unleash the military and the National Guard against U.S. citizens against immigrants and migrants.
He said he will invoke the Alien Sedition Act that interned Japanese Americans.
This is the same man who ran against the same man who promoted a neo-Nazi conspiracy about Haitian immigrants eating pets even after he was told it was a lie.
The Wall Street Journal, funded by Murdoch, not a left-wing rag, a right-wing outlet, reported that him and Vance were told it was a lie.
He still said it, which has caused stochastic terrorism in Springfield, Ohio.
So this is Donald Trump.
The majority of people don't care.
The majority people know Biden apologized.
He stuttered.
The majority of people saw Kamala Harris at the ellipse.
75,000 people.
75,000 people came out.
Last point.
Last point I'll make.
75,000 people came out to see Kamala Harris at the ellipse.
I'm so glad she was at the ellipse because you know why?
It's a contrast.
Kamala Harris was there for the Constitution, for the United States of America, for the rule of law.
Donald Trump incited a violent insurrection.
And just two weeks ago at Univision, when the 56-year-old Latino construction worker asked him to apologize for it, he didn't.
And you saw that view of those Latino women.
He is going to lose.
I'm here for the magateers.
They're sugar from my chai.
Okay.
He's here for the magateers, Ben.
Are you prepared to start?
I'll go back to, and this is why I feel like it's going to be a very strong election night.
There's nothing that was just talked about that matters to the people that are hurting and suffering in this country right now.
Nothing that was just said there was universal.
Nothing that was just said there was about the concerns of people that are struggling in this country with inflation, with illegal immigration, with convicted terrorists coming across the border, with those that are convicted of murder and rape that are coming across the border.
There is zero concern for the American people in your closing argument.
And this is the reason why Donald Trump will win on election night.
Do you agree with me?
The only thing you can do and come out and say is, if I disagree with you, I'm going to kick your ass, which, by the way, goes back to what you guys do.
We don't like you.
We lock you up.
We imprison you.
We put you in prison.
Do you agree?
Do you agree with Donald Trump?
And then you're like, I don't like it.
I'm going to kick your ass.
Like, this is your closing argument.
You guys need to get out of junior.
I didn't participate in a violent insurrection, Ben.
I didn't die.
I denounced it when it happened to people.
So guess what?
We're not all.
See, this is the difference.
Jon Stewart Roast Context 00:02:40
You guys hate half of America and you don't understand that your hatred isn't saying everyone is bad when one person is.
I love America.
Gentlemen, let's let the lady speak.
Emily?
Please, please.
The problem is that I think the Democratic Party, they're way too emotional about this election.
And it's funny that Wajao's calling the MAGA people the sensitive ones.
When you cry over misgendering someone, when a dude looks like a dude and identifies as a woman and is called she, you start crying.
So don't talk to me about oversensitivity.
That's a definition of the Democratic Party.
Yes, homophobia and tricky.
Yes, go after the transgender.
You guys have TDS syndrome.
You don't understand that this is not about emotions.
Ben just said it perfectly.
Every single argument that the left uses against the right are not real factors that impact the American people.
They're not factors that keep America safe.
It's nothing that helps the economy.
You focus solely on how does Trump make me feel when I go to sleep at night?
He doesn't like women.
He made a joke about a black person and a Jew and a Muslim and a Christian.
Listen to me, that comedian, you guys are pretending suddenly everyone cares about Puerto Rico, but when they were after Hurricane, no one gave a damn about them.
But let's just forget that for a moment.
This comedian makes fun of everyone.
So talk about selective outrage.
That joke caused selective outrage because he literally rips every demographic of people.
And let me tell you the difference.
This comedian is not our sitting president.
When the sitting president calls half of America garbage, that's a bigger problem than a comedian who rips every group of people speaking at a rally.
Do me a favor, selective outrage.
You guys can't stop crying nonstop about your TDS.
Yeah, I mean, I do think the point about Tony Hinchcliffe is, hang on, hang on.
The point about Tony Hinchcliffe, if you watch the Netflix Tom Brady roast special, he is the star of that roast.
He says stuff that makes what he said at the Madison Square Garden seem like a tea party.
I mean, he is an offensive roaster of absolutely everyone and everything.
And nobody seemed to mind when he was doing it in a Netflix special, which is still available.
Tom Brady's roasting.
Everyone found him hilarious.
And my point is you check it out.
Jon Stewart, of all people, came forward and said, I'm sorry, I find this guy funny.
And I wonder how many of the people screaming about Tony Hinchcliffe's jokes quietly found him quite funny.
I didn't particularly, but a lot of people would have found his humor funny if they know he's a roaster.
But I'm feigning outrage.
And then the moment Biden, who is the president of the United States, uses exactly the same word to slur 80 million Americans, suddenly we should all stop being offended.
Unique Danger To Democracy 00:02:05
We kind of be both ways.
Yeah, so first of all, I respect Jon Stewart.
So when he said he likes him as a comic, fine.
But you're wrong about one thing.
He slurred all of those minorities.
You're right.
But there is one group he didn't touch at all.
White people and men and MAGA.
Huh, what a funny coincidence from a brave roaster.
So you're in front of MAGA, you don't roast them at all.
All you do is roast people you don't like.
Interesting.
Okay, so now, but guys, this whole getting offended shtick that both sides are doing is maddening.
There's a slight agreement there with Ben that I have on that.
So after Trump does every insult in the world, you guys now are pretending that, oh my God, I caught the vapors.
He called us garbage.
After Trump, you loved when Trump said all these terrible things.
So look at what actually is going on.
Why is Kamala Harris pointing out at the end that Donald Trump is a unique danger?
Because if you're being honest, he is a unique danger.
You don't have to go to internment camps.
You don't have to go to Hitler analogies, et cetera.
But when the guy says that the left is the enemy from within and he might use the military on them, and there are his own advisors who said, yes, we had conversations in the White House where Trump asked us if we could use the military to shoot protesters in the leg, which, by the way, shooting protesters, it doesn't get any more canceled culture than that.
And he said after he lost that we should terminate the Constitution.
If that's not a unique danger to the Constitution and democracy, what is?
And if you say we shouldn't point that out, we shouldn't point out that a guy wanted to terminate the Constitution and shoot the protesters with the U.S. military.
And you don't get where that sounds like and fill in the blank.
Fascist dictators want to be whatever word you want, but that sounds super dangerous.
This is the problem.
This was not corroborated by people in a large group.
The majority of people around Trump said that what you just described, including the comments from last week, never, ever happened.
Abandoning Hope For Bashing 00:02:49
And the people that say it are people that hate Donald Trump.
So that's number one.
Number two, I look at what he did in the United States.
There is no status.
He didn't start wars.
He didn't start wars.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
He didn't start wars.
He ended wars.
He had the lowest unemployment for Hispanic Americans and African Americans in history.
He had interest rates down in 2 plus percent on a 30-year mortgage.
He had inflation down.
People could afford to live.
And I go back to the closing argument theme here.
Piers, if this is what Democrats want to talk about till Election Day, five days, six days from now, then knock yourself out because you're going to lose.
Because none of this is about the suffering of Americans in this country right now.
None of it's about safety.
None of it's about ending wars.
None of it is about the people that are hurting living paycheck to paycheck right now.
And that is what Donald Trump is talking about here.
And the Democrats are saying we hate half of America.
You're garbage.
The president of the United States of America is saying it.
The vice president is saying he's a fascist and Hitler.
If that is your closing argument, you are going to lose.
Now I go back to Barack Obama.
Barack Obama understood retail politics.
You have to give something that makes people think about a future that's better than it is right now.
When he went on hope and change, yes, it was rhetoric, but it worked because it gave people hope for the future.
And this party right now is filled with hate.
The Democratic Party is filled with hate.
Harris and her team are filled with hate for Capitol America.
That's how you don't win an election.
Okay, let me laugh.
Let me ask Vote.
Okay, hang on.
Let me ask Vajah this.
Vajah, hang on, curious if I do things.
No, hang on.
I'm going to go to Vajra.
Let me just put this to you.
Carmela Harris had a pretty good start when she replaced Joe Biden.
The polls were good for her.
She had a good convention.
The coronation, you can criticize it for being undemocratic, but it was a very good period for her.
But she did it with a very positive mantra.
It was going to be joy and hope and the promised land and all the rest of it.
Exactly what Ben Ferguson just said.
What I can't understand is why she's abandoned that from a political perspective to go full-on Trump bashing.
Given that for Hillary Clinton in 2016, when she did that, and you could even extend it to having all the pop stars like Beyonce and so on getting on stage with her stuff, it's exactly the same playbook of Hillary Clinton.
We know that didn't work for Hillary.
Surrounding herself with elite pop stars and hammering Trump 24-7 failed spectacularly.
The most qualified person in presidential history lost to the least qualified person.
So why would she abandon?
I'm just genuinely curious, having watched this from afar, why has she abandoned what looked like a good strategy of hope and positivity to go full-on Trump bashing?
Because the thing Trump relies on more than anything is being the center of attention.
And right now, all anyone is talking about is Donald Trump.
Failed Pop Star Strategy 00:03:20
Yesterday, if you saw her speech, her closing argument at the ellipse in Washington, D.C., which was attended by 75,000 people, she just did that.
She landed the plane.
It was about forward-looking optimism.
It was about restoring rights.
And she put it in the context of history, of struggle.
She talked about Seneca Falls.
She talked about Stonewall.
And she also made a compare and contrast.
I'm so glad she did it at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C., because there are stakes here.
There's not just two sides.
This isn't Mitt Romney.
This isn't John McCain.
This isn't George W. Bush.
This is her versus the man who refuses to admit that he lost the 2020 election, who incited a violent insurrection, whose MAGA supporters took a shit in the U.S. Capitol, who to this day, when asked, did he lose the election?
He says no.
To this day, he promotes a lie where a majority of Republican voters believe Donald Trump's lie that he won the election, that he lost.
He is priming the pump for this type of hate.
He has promoted neo-Nazi conspiracies against Haitians.
He said he will unleash the military, the military against the United States citizens in the final two weeks of the election.
This is a man who quotes Hitler, saying that immigrants poison the blood.
So what Kamala Harris is saying is, look, I'm going to take us forward.
I'm going to restore Roe v. Wade.
Who brags about overturning Roe v. Wade?
Donald Trump.
Wait, wait, who brought who has died as a result of Donald Trump and Supreme Court justice overturning Roe v. Wade?
Women in Georgia.
They did not have access to health care.
Who said the most beautiful word in the American language, English language, is tariffs?
Donald Trump said that Joe Rogan.
He said whale psychologist, Hannibal Lecter.
Let's do economy real quick.
When economic experts have compared both plans of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, overwhelmingly, who says the plan of Kamala Harris works better for the American people?
Every single person.
That is Goldman Sachs came out and said Donald Trump.
Donald Goldman Shaw.
Ben, just hold on.
Take it down.
I don't care about your other lies.
I don't care about the American people.
There's no other lies, Ben.
Just relax.
Again, again, I know you're going to kick my ass.
Yada yada yada.
People can laugh.
No, go back to the police.
It's already done.
It's already done.
Let me just finish.
Let me just finish.
They said that that was not what their report said.
And when you insult the American people and you tell them that the economy is great right now and bionomics is working when it's not working and they're suffering and hurting people.
Let me just finish.
You say that they say your campaign plan is going to work better.
Goldman Sachs said you're full of shit to quote you from earlier.
Okay, let me just finish real quick.
So go back, look at the facts, look at the normal.
I'm going to finish.
That's not yet.
Nobel laureates say her plan is better.
Wait, wait, just let me finish.
Let me say that.
Y'all brought it up.
Give me 15 seconds.
They brought it up.
Give me 15 seconds.
Donald Trump wants to have trade wars, tariffs, to increase costs for the United States.
He wants to give tax cuts to the rich.
He has no plan for health care, but he wants to destroy Obamacare.
According to Project 2025, no real plan for Social Security and Medicare.
Roe v. Wade, he takes.
Listen, he praises overturning Roe v. Wade.
So yes, everyone's paying attention, Piers.
This is why she's leading in the polls, the A-plus polls.
This is why I believe she will win.
This is why she had 75,000 people at the ellipse and Donald Trump had 20,000 people in Madison Square Garden.
And people are paying attention to Donald Trump, who yesterday said we live in a garbage can.
Get angry when he said that.
There we go.
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Now you're talking about the game.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Can I answer that?
What he actually said, he actually didn't say that we're all living in a garbage can.
He said that the situation on the border has turned America into a garbage can for the rest of the world.
Very different context.
He called America into a garbage can.
Is this what he said to the one who said that?
Let me bring in.
I want to bring in Emily.
I want to just shift gears a bit to Israel.
A lot of talk in the last 48 hours about whether there may be a deal between Israel and ending this war with Hamas.
Obviously, we've had the ongoing situation in Lebanon and so on.
Whoever wins this election, it's going to be very transformative in many ways and very significant, but not least, I would imagine, in how we get things sorted in the Middle East if we can.
What do you think about what is happening right now?
Do you think a deal is a genuine prospect?
And how significant will it be depending on whether Trump or Harris wins?
At this point in the war, a Trump or Harris administration, at this point, I don't think will make a big difference.
I think maybe six months ago it would have been the world's difference in terms of a ceasefire deal, bringing the hostages home.
But at the point that it's at now, Hamas is not even hanging on by a thread.
They killed the head of the cancer.
They killed Sinwar.
Now they're starting with Iran.
That's another story.
But they really have nothing left to hold on to.
All Hamas is doing is demonizing and harassing Israel.
And Israel's losing its soldiers every day.
And they're hurting the Palestinian people who didn't sign up for this war that Hamas started on their behalf.
So this war is dragging and dragging and dragging.
When will they surrender?
So now hopefully Sinwar, the head of the snake, at least in Gaza, you know, without his leadership, hopefully they'll feel like it's reaching its dead end.
But you know what the problem is?
I don't know if they care about the innocent deaths lost.
Sinwar himself said all the civilian casualties is just a necessary process and it's part of war.
So given that Hamas doesn't value life, I don't know if it will end.
They don't care about the hostages.
They don't care about the Palestinians.
They don't give a damn about Kamala Harris.
Let me tell you that.
So at this point, it's just when will they give it up?
When will they realize they're losing?
And they've already lost this war.
All right, Cheng, your response to that.
Yeah, first, you didn't let me correct Ben, so let me just correct him real quick.
Trump said terminate the Constitution himself.
It's on True Social.
You could look it up.
And he said we should attack the enemy from within in the military.
It's on tape.
So in terms of Israel, look, I was heartened that the strikes that Israel did on Iran were not devastating, meaning that it is a lower chance of war.
So it's a rare, slight act of restraint.
I'll take it.
If there's really any chance for a ceasefire in the next couple of days, that would be amazing.
I don't care who's responsible for it.
She's now saying like it's not a big deal who brought it to you because it looks like maybe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to bring it to you.
But I don't care.
Anybody can take credit for it as long as it gets done.
The idea that the Palestinians made the Israelis slaughter 42,000 of them at a bare minimum is absurd.
No, Israel did that once.
According to Hamas.
So I think that the reason, objective reality, every news organization, every human rights organization, Israel has killed more journalists, more human rights workers, slaughtered over 15,000 children.
They're continuing to be able to do that.
That's amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And to Russia, Moscow, brought to you by CISP.
Like you do.
You interrupt.
Propaganda, total, utter terrorist propaganda is what you guys are doing.
It is.
You're not sending a terrorist.
It's only ours.
You guys are doing terrorist propaganda on behalf of the IDF.
You guys have killed four IDFs.
We can't hate them.
You're supporting a terrorist.
Hang on, hang on.
So they always finish his point, and I won't come to the point.
Chang?
Look, whenever you criticize Israel, everybody goes, no, Interrupt, interrupt.
Don't let him make points against our beloved, beloved Israel.
Israel is not part of America.
We have to stop sending them money to go slaughter all those innocent people in southern Lebanon and northern Gaza.
But guys, all I want is a two-state solution.
So if they get to a ceasefire and we get on the road to peace, I would be ecstatic.
And I want a safe haven for Jews in Israel.
I want Palestine to be a country and to have sovereignty that Israel has denied them for six brutal decades and their colonization and their oppression of those poor people.
Stop defending the slaughter, the genocide, the ethnic cleansing, and the occupation of innocent human beings.
All right, but here's the problem.
Two things here.
Number one, for you to get a two-state solution, then you'd have to actually say that the terrorists need to die, number one.
And number two, the terrorists would have to actually stop shooting.
Let me finish from the river to the sea.
The idea that you have a same group of people sitting down with the Jews who they killed.
Literally nerd says that.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
I understand you support the terrorists.
I'm okay with that.
I understand your point.
No, you support the terrorists.
I understand this lovely supporter of this.
This is the difference in this election.
I understand your point, but this is the difference in this election.
I stand with the people that were attacked in Israel by terrorists who butchered and beheaded and took hostages.
You stand with the terrorists that killed innocent babies and stabbed them in their cribs.
We are not the same here.
We are different here.
My side is a liar.
Death to America.
Your side is a family.
I don't stand with Hamas.
Israel did it when Hamas killed those people.
There's a difference here.
But you don't mind at all.
You don't mind at all.
40 times.
You don't have to do it.
40 times the number of babies.
All these dead Palestinian babies, and you love it because you support the river.
To attack.
Because that's what happened.
To attack.
There was a two-state solution.
There was peace.
Nothing but excuses.
There was never a sovereign.
That's the problem.
Hang on.
Let me just bring in Vajah.
I wanted to say something.
Vajah.
Yeah, I stand for peace and justice for all people that are Palestinians, Israelis, Muslims, Christians, Jews.
I'm against genocide.
I'm against terrorism.
You know, Pierce, you've invited me on your show for the past year to discuss this topic.
I think we agree a lot more than we disagree.
We've seen the horrors, right?
You and I, you've asked me multiple times, even proactively, I said I've condemned Hamas' terrorist attacks.
It's inexcusable.
1,200 Jews that were killed.
And you and I have seen with the horror of the past year where Benjamin Yen Yahoo, who was deeply unpopular in Israel, his war machine has killed over 42,000 people.
The war has now expanded to the West Bank.
Just wait, West Bank has expanded to Lebanon, expanded to Syria, right?
The hostages have not been returned.
Hamas has been weakened, but not destroyed.
And you've been covering this for a long time.
I've been covering this for a long time.
Military solutions haven't worked, Pierce, right?
It's just devastation and chaos.
What needs to happen, you know this, I know this, is Israel has to end the occupation of the Palestinian people and the settlements.
And I don't, I agree with Chenk, whether it's Republicans who get it done or Democrats who get it done, it needs to get done for the region, for regional security.
This is madness.
Israel said recently they're going to pursue a strategy of de-escalation through escalation.
Their words, not mine.
Has it worked, Pierce?
It has not worked.
We have seen children die, women die.
We've seen more kids die in the past year.
Israel has killed more kids in the past year than in any other region.
More journalists have been killed by Israel.
More UN workers.
Hospitals bombed.
Refugee camps bombed.
Let me put this to you.
Pierce, you and I just talked about it.
Okay, let me put this to you.
Let me put this to you, which is, notwithstanding all of what you've just said, the one part of that I would question is from a pure military point of view.
Well, I would question two things you said.
One is that Netanyahu's popularity has never been higher in the last year than it is today.
And that is because of what he's done to decapitate the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas.
Yes, it is.
His ratings.
His party says that the state of the world is a lot of people.
Let me talk.
Let me talk.
Ben, let me talk.
I've got this.
Netanyahu was very unpopular.
Before, Israelis universally were supportive of the mission to get rid of Hamas, but they didn't support Netanyahu.
That situation has changed in the polls now.
Netanyahu, because of the decapitation of leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas, has never been more popular now in his own country, which has been an interesting turnaround in his own personal poll ratings.
So, on that, that's wrong.
Secondly, from a military perspective, whatever you think of the, as they would put it, collateral damage, as I and you would put it, this appalling loss of civilian life has been going on.
There's no doubt that Israel, from a pure military perspective, has made serious inroads against who they perceive to be their terrorist enemy of Hezbollah and Hamas.
You can't question the military success they've had.
You can question the proportionality of what they've done and the civilian deaths.
But I don't think you can argue right now that Israel has not been incredibly successful in taking out the heads of Hamas and Hezbollah because they have.
The reason why I respond to you this way is this is not a new story.
This is what I've called, and I will say again, is a Pyrrhic victory.
In 82, when they invaded Lebanon, killed 20,000 people, right?
Tried to weaken the PLO, they occupied Lebanon until 2000.
Guess what happened?
Civilian damage.
They had their victory.
They weakened PLO.
What rose?
Hezbollah.
Before Nasrullah, they killed the first leader of Hezbollah.
Nasrullah came, right?
As long as the occupation persists, the problems will persist.
The occupation has to end.
And now Israel, if you look at the worldwide polls, you know this, Pierce, it is a pariah.
The United States and those who support Israel and Netanyahu are seen as pariahs.
They're global outliers.
Benjamin Netyahu and Hamas leaders are accused of war crimes.
We've seen the spike in Islamophobia, the spike of anti-Semitism.
Has it made Israel safer?
It has not.
And the last thing I'll say is the family members of the hostages have been protesting Netanyahu.
And the family members of the hostages have said that he does not care about the hostages.
He only cares about staying in power because, much like Trump, we know that this man is also what?
Has allegedly committed crimes.
And if he actually steps down, what will happen?
He'll most likely go to jail.
So he needs the word.
He needs the word.
Let me bring in Emily first to respond to that.
Okay.
The only correct part about everything that he said was that yes, the hostage families are heavily, heavily protesting Detanyahu because they feel that their children should come home at any cost.
And putting myself in their shoes, you have to understand where they're coming from.
No judgment there.
So I want to execute the situation of a two-state solution.
Let's just talk about that for a minute.
Unoccupy, remove the occupations, get rid of the settlements.
Okay, let's go back to 2005.
Let's say we give more land like we gave Gaza in 2005, and the Palestinians now have full sovereignty, and then boom, you have a terrorist group like Hamas that hijacks the country, turns it into a military zone, builds tunnels instead of hospitals, puts rocket launchers in nurseries, makes hospitals, Hamas's HQ.
What two-state solution can be done under a group of terrorists?
It's like, what would Al-Qaeda do if they were given land?
What would Hezbollah do if they completely hijacked Lebanon?
It's like you're oversimplifying the idea of a two-state solution.
I want a two-state solution, but it has to be governed by a non-terrorist group.
Why is that so much to ask for?
Hamas ruined Gaza.
Yeah, like let's say the West Bank, what the PLO is going to take over?
Boom, rockets every single day into Israel, just like Gaza, just like Lebanon.
There is no peace with terrorists.
And you guys are really making it seem like, oh, if they just unoccupied the occupational lands in the West Bank, then there's peace.
And everybody's going to be able to do that.
They stop launching rockets.
Before I go to Cheng, hang on, hang on.
Hang on, Cheng.
Before I go to you, Cheng, for response, what I would say, Emily, the one thing which I think I find incomprehensible and completely indefensible is the aggressive expansion in a violent manner of the settlements on the West Bank.
I think that has been an indisputable form of terrorism that's been going on there, and it should not have been happening.
Can we at least agree on that?
Yes.
Good.
See, I think this is where it gets constructed because there are parts of this which are indefensible.
I can see both Cheng and Wajat surprised by that response, but I thought Emily might say that because it's indefensible.
And there are parts of this on both sides which are utterly indefensible where you can't even argue about it.
And that is one of them.
Cheng, let me try and take things forward.
How do we get to peace here, do you think, genuinely?
I mean, how can we see a way out of this, the other end?
Yeah, so listen, first of all, we all agree on this panel that Hamas killing those 1,200 people in Israel was terrible, right?
And we should never kill civilians, and that's terrorism.
But when we turn around and say, hey, Israel killed 40 times the number of civilians, they say, no, all of a sudden, that's not terrorism.
All of a sudden, you know why?
Because they think Palestinian lives don't really count.
So now when you turn to them and say, hey, let's do two states, Israel should be safe.
And you guys, the minute we mentioned the Palestinian lives that were lost, and the fact that they've killed a stadium full of women and children, you go, no big deal, they're all terrorists, okay?
It's disgusting the way you guys talk about Palestinians.
So now, when you get to the point of the past, this is very obvious answer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a very obvious.
Hey, let me finish.
There's a very obvious answer here, which is peace.
Now, it's not idealistic.
It's not kumbaya.
We've already done it.
And we haven't just done it generally.
We did it here.
They did a peace deal with Egypt.
Israel did.
We got them to do that peace deal.
And it has worked fantastically.
All of the people, just like Ben and the others here, said at the time, oh, the Egyptians are terrorists.
The Egyptians will never listen to it.
The Egyptians will keep bombing us because the Egyptians are anti-Semitic and everybody's anti-Semitic and they're never going to listen to it.
They're going to keep their because they want to destroy us.
Everyone at the time said that about Egypt because they didn't want a peace deal with Egypt.
They wanted to take more land.
Well, guess what happened?
They did the peace deal and Egypt never bombed Israel after that.
The peace deal worked.
There is a solution to get Israel safety.
But unfortunately, the people in charge of Israel right now don't care that they butchered 40 times the number of people that the Hamas terrorists did.
And they don't care about Palestinians at all or peace.
What they care about is Gaza.
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Let me finish.
They want to occupy more of the West Bank, and they're making plans to occupy northern Gaza now.
Why do you think Netanyahu is supporting Trump?
Because he knows the minute that Trump gets in, if he moves settlers into northern Gaza after his ethnic cleansing, Trump's going to say, Yeah, go ahead and do it.
Finish him.
Who cares?
Trump is saying more war, more bombings, more jettings.
That's why Netanyahu wants Trump.
Okay, let me get Ben Ferguson's responsibility.
What about the leadership in Gaza?
There's no lie in that statement.
Hamas is a good government.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Before I go to Ben, just on that one point, Emily, hang on, Chen, because all they ever say is they think every Palestinian is a terrorist.
No, nobody else said that.
So whatever you're going to say, we can't get anything.
No one else is saying that.
Hang on.
Hang on.
The only panel member to say that is you, Chenk.
You're the only one that's used that phrase.
Thank you.
Let me explain.
Let me explain.
No.
My question is.
Let's make a peace deal.
Every time we say let's make a peace deal.
Let's all go for each other because everyone goes to the terrorist.
Before I go to the state of the world.
So who do you want Israel to make a peace deal with?
Name one Palestinian you find acceptable.
Name one Palestinian you find acceptable to make a peace deal with.
You won't because you don't want peace.
All you want to do is slaughter more Palestinians.
Okay, I would like to have peace and not slaughter more Palestinians.
Please calm down.
Let me just ask you, Chenk, the question Emily raised before I go to Ben, which was this.
Can Hamas have any part in the government of Gaza after this?
Yes or no?
So the African National Congress also attacks civilians.
So the apartheid.
I'm answering your question.
I'm answering about South Africa.
Okay.
It's not a true question.
Will you let me answer the goddamn question?
Why do you have me on if you won't let me answer it?
So listen.
He said that the National Congress and Mandela are terrorists, so we won't deal with them.
This is the excuse every apartheid state uses.
So if you say you do a deal with Fatah, and then you could push out Hamas, and I've said that on your show for a year straight, Piers.
There's a way to get rid of Hamas, especially they have no leaders now at this point anyway.
So it's a perfect time to do a peace deal with Fatah for Palestinian sovereignty.
But every time we go to make that deal, they do the same trick as the South Africa apartheid government.
We can't.
The African National Congress is terrorist.
Mandela is a terrorist.
Everyone we talk to on their side is a terrorist.
That's why we have to keep oppressing them, enslaving them, imprisoning them.
Oh, they made us do it.
They made us do it because they dare to fight the occupation.
So anyone who fights the occupation by definition is a terrorist.
So we will only get someone who doesn't fight the occupation.
But Chenk.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
But Chenka, just to go back to my initial question, which is to go back to my initial question, which could have been answered with yesterday.
I said, push Hamas out.
So they can't have a rolling jump government.
Instead, make a deal with Abbas.
I said make a deal with Abbas and push Hamas.
You guys have trouble with that.
Your answer is no.
Yeah, just ask Hamas to leave.
Just ask him to leave, right?
No, no, no.
Piers, no, no, no.
What they're saying is don't make a peace deal with anyone because all the Palestinian representatives are terrorists by this time.
I simply leave you.
Name one Palestinian.
Name one Palestinian that would be acceptable to do a peace deal with.
And guess what?
That's a good question, but Ben's value.
Go ahead.
Hang on.
All right, Cheng.
Let me ask Ben.
Ben, name one Palestinian who you would be acceptable for a government in Palestine going forward.
Any one of them that promises to not work with Hamas or Hezbollah is someone that you can do a deal with.
The problem is you don't have one that you brought to the forefront.
You don't have one.
And I go back to what you keep saying, and I understand you hate the Jews.
I killed everybody in Gaza.
Again, let me finish.
Okay, let me finish.
I understand that you're anti-Semitic.
I got that.
I think everybody watching understands that.
What I will say is right now.
You are racist against Muslims.
And you don't mind if you're not.
If you are blood on the hands, Pierce.
Racist.
You go back to what he said earlier.
Everything is somehow always the fault of Israel with him.
That's what anti-Semitism is.
If you want to end this war, you release the hostages.
If the terrorist groups want to stop what you describe as a slaughter, you release the hostages.
But at the end of the day, if the only people that come to the table that are in charge of the Palestinian people are those that have direct ties to terrorism, you cannot do a deal with terrorists because the terrorists will never stop being terrorists.
So I would ask you this question.
Name one Palestinian leader you can bring to the table that has no ties to Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran, that is willing to kick them out and kill them on their own.
And then you will get a deal done that will also release the hostages.
And the problem is you can't name one because it doesn't exist.
Mahmoud Abbas.
I just named it.
Mahmoud Abbas, I just named it.
But you won't do a deal with me.
So you think he will have nothing to do with any of the terrorists?
You believe that truthfully.
You honestly believe that he will say that.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Let me bring in Vajahat.
I want to bring race before we go back to the election.
I want to bring in Vajah.
I understand you're an anti-Semite.
We've all gotten that point.
Yeah.
Okay, Vajah.
So listen, two things.
No, I have Jewish family.
You're a liar.
Let Vajah speak, please.
Okay.
All right.
Two things.
I hope we're all against anti-Semitism.
And if we are against anti-Semitism, I want to remind everyone that Donald Trump said he will blame Jews if he loses the 2024 election.
Said it publicly.
He's also promoted anti-Semitic conspiracies of dual loyalty.
He also has dined with one of the leading anti-Semit white nationalists, Nick Fuentes, right?
And by the way, no one cares.
No one condemns him.
Ben doesn't condemn him.
Number two, right now, the government of Israel has been aware of it.
Over him for years.
By the way, I condemn guys like Alex.
When there's crazies in my country, you're currently supporting a guy who calls himself a black Nazi.
Can I just say something?
Hold on, let me say this real quick.
Let me say this.
I want to talk about Alex real quick.
Do you remember when he came on your stage in 16 at the Republican convention?
And do you remember when he got in my face when I was defending you saying, let him do his show, let him talk, freedom of speech.
He is a guest here.
Treat him with respect.
And then he wanted to, quote, kick my ass.
I want to be clear.
When my party is out of line and there's crazies in my party, I say get rid of them.
Juentez is a great example.
Alex Jones is a great example.
Candace Owens.
Can I just say that?
Candace Owen, great example.
I've seen Ben do that.
My turn is a candidate for governor in North Carolina.
The guy who calls himself a black Nazi.
I was called him out of the country.
That's right.
But Trump is still endorsing.
Trump is still endorsing a guy named a black talk.
But Vajah, you may want to just apologize, Ben, for.
Well, up to you, but I think you should.
So, yeah.
So, Ben, I appreciate you said that.
I'm glad.
I wish more people did.
I have a question for you, and I just want to then wrap up with Bunen Yahoo.
Do you condemn Donald Trump dining with Nick Fuentes?
And after Donald Trump was told who Nick Fuentes is, for the past two years, Donald Trump has refused to condemn Nick Fuentes.
Do you condemn Donald Trump for that?
I said it when it happened.
He should never be dining with him.
I said that Candace Owens was an anti-Semite early on and took a ton of heat from.
I'm not afraid of that.
And I also said this.
So you said that.
I just want to say clearly.
What I will say is this.
Listen to what I'm saying.
You condemn him.
You ask a question.
Let him ask you.
He didn't have anything to do with him afterwards.
Which actions speak louder than words.
And he has disappeared from anything close to the Trump campaign.
That's what I care about is if you learn from your mistake.
Now, you want him to say something on peace not a condemnation.
I don't understand the obsession with that.
I can honestly for me here.
Okay.
Let me get that.
Let me take that.
Let's end that.
No, I'm not going to take a look at that.
I don't take that as a condemnation.
Well, I think we can all condemn Nick Fuentes.
He's a repulsive individual.
Let's move on to the next one.
Why can you not condemn?
Why can you all not condemn the fact that Nick Fuentes, the leading white nationalist?
I condemned when Donald Trump was.
Let me help you, Vajah.
Let me help you, Vajrayan.
Let me help you, Vajah.
Donald Trump should absolutely have condemned Nick Fuentes.
He should condemn him.
I'm glad you're not.
He is condemnable by everybody.
There you go.
Thank you.
Emily, let me just, I want to round off the last few minutes, talk about the election again.
Who do you think is going to win?
Who do you actually think is going to win this?
Seriously, I'm not even exaggerating.
If you asked me yesterday, I'd say it's 50-50.
I think Biden officially put the nail in the coffin.
And now I think Donald Trump has it, no doubt.
Okay, Chenk, is this, do you think that, I mean, you said at the weekend, I think, that Trump was heading for victory.
Do you still feel that?
Yeah, the polls are so mixed, it's impossible to predict this one.
And I love doing predictions, but it seems to be exactly tied.
Every poll contradicts the one before it.
Now, having said that, my intuition was that Trump was going to win because I'm an honest actor.
And so it doesn't matter what you want.
What matters is what is more likely.
But having said that, I said the one caveat is he loves to juggle hand grenades that he took the pin out of politically and rhetorically.
And one dropped in Madison Square Garden and others keep dropping.
And the more he does the wild, outrageous attacks and calling people enemy from within, the more he loses senior voters, which are critical.
And a lot of women are going to vote against him that are unlikely voters, which was Trump's advantage in previous elections.
It might be Kamala Harris's advantage now.
So at this point, I am at exactly even.
Okay, Ben, what do you think is going to happen?
I mean, I'll tell you my gut feeling.
I have a gut feeling, which might be completely wrong, but my gut feeling, especially having been in America for the last few days, I've got a feeling Trump could win big.
Now, I might be wrong, but I'm just getting that feeling like I had back in 2016 that actually we're all going to wake up and he will have won us a significant victory.
Yeah, you and I spent election night together in 16 at Times Square, and you and I both were saying the same thing in the days before.
There was a feel of a momentum that Hillary Clinton had hit the ceiling and there was some arrogance there and that she was owed it and it was just going to be a cakewalk and Donald Trump wasn't real.
I'm feeling that now.
And I think with calling half of the country garbage and that is the last thing that people are going to hear, if you were thinking about staying home and not going to vote for Donald Trump, that might put you in a swing state over the line to say, you know what, I'm going to get off the couch and I'm going to go vote for Donald Trump because you just said that a bunch of people are garbage.
I think that might be the most critical error we've seen in modern political history in a presidential campaign in the closing week.
If it would have been said three weeks ago or two weeks ago, I don't think it would have mattered.
But it's the last thing people are hearing.
And I understand some of you guys are laughing.
I'm glad because it means you're not taking it seriously and you're laughing at the American people who are offended by it.
But I think Donald Trump is now going to win this because of the arrogance and the laughing and the mocking of the American people by the left and the media mocking them and laughing at all he's ever done.
This guy sounds so okay.
Last word to Vajrahat.
Who's going to win?
Defending the most hateful idiots everyone checks.
As if he's a precious snowflake.
I don't want to continue who you think.
I'm Hitler.
We've moved on from Hitler.
We've moved on from Hitler, which, by the way, I recommend everybody bloody moves on from Hitler.
It is ridiculous we talk about Hitler in relation to Trump.
He hasn't murdered 12 million people.
He's not going to.
Anyway, Vajah, I don't want to ask you who you want to win.
I just want to ask you who do you think is going to win right now?
So let me give you the answer.
For the past nine years, I've heard that liberals have made MAGA angry and liberals have made MAGA upset and liberals have made MAGA vote for Trump.
And I've seen the movie Avengers.
You ever see the end of the movie Avengers where Captain America turns to Bruce Banner and says, get angry?
And he says, I'm always angry.
MAGA's always angry about MMs, pronouns, about transgender, about cartoons, about Kaepernick.
But you know who's really angry?
Women.
Women are angry that they lost their right.
They lost Roe v. Wade.
People are angry over a violent insurrection.
People are angry over Donald Trump's racism, misogyny, and homophobia.
So who's going to win?
I believe, as of right now, Cameron Hers will win.
She has the momentum.
She has the energy, and she will get a lot of women, young people, and people of color.
I think they'll put her over the top in the popular vote and the Electoral College.
She's going to win.
Okay.
Do you know what I think is funny about the women thing?
Just to make a final point.
I keep hearing that the Democrats in Carla, they're the people for women's rights.
And yet they are the people who think it's fine for biological males to beat up women in boxing rings in women's court.
And I find that a lot of double standard.
Anyway, we're not going to get into that.
What a great debate.
What a great panel.
Please all come back.
It's going to get ever more exciting.
We're only six days away now.
My gut is what it is, but six days is a long time in politics.
Thank you all very much.
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