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Oct. 15, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Misogyny and the Popular Vote 00:10:32
There are a lot of men who will not vote for a woman no matter what.
We do have a misogyny problem and a racism problem in America.
I've not said anything disrespectful to either of you guys.
Hammond, but you keep throwing fake things at me.
I know this works for you to talk over women because you're used to an audience of 90% males, but everyone is.
I knew we were going to go there.
I love women.
I don't know why this lady keeps saying my name.
My name is Namiki Khan's.
I'm well known.
I'm on the internet.
That's not a policy.
Yes, it is.
There you go, genius.
People are tired of this BS.
They view Trump as an outsider.
He's a bad boy, and you're bad for supporting us.
I don't think going too hysterical about Trump is a way to beat him.
But don't just scream.
It's like everyone goes, They say you should never change your winning strategy.
And on that basis, it looks a lot like Team Harris is not winning.
Search the most recent analysis for the Harris campaign, and you'll see words like disaster, panic, and implosion.
A billion dollars has poured into her race in just a couple of months, more than President Biden raised for his entire 2020 run.
But even left-leaning pollsters say this race is a dead heat.
And now, after dodging media and clinging to the auto-cube for months, Carmela Harris is suddenly everywhere.
She's even agreed to face Brett Baer on Fox News tomorrow night.
She's also apparently in talks to appear on Joe Rogan.
The podcasting godfather, studiously avoided endorsing either candidate so far, but he's previously entertained some forthright views about the current VP.
If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or ableist.
Right.
So they will use the retard.
Jesus.
She's literally retarded.
I mean...
Ukraine is a country in Europe and Russia is another country and a powerful country and Russia invaded Ukraine and that's wrong.
What's really important is what can be unburdened by what has been.
I think of her as America's wine mom because bitch seems like she's three deep by noon.
Well clearly Carmela Harris is now taking risks and you can't knock her for that but she wouldn't be taking these risks if she didn't have the evidence that she needs to.
Young men are decisively breaking for Donald Trump and that's why Harris needs Rogan a lot more than he may need her.
That's also why Tim Waltz is busy pretending to fix car engines and hunt pheasants and that's why we've ill-advised campaign support ads like this.
Bears, that's what beer hugs are before.
I'll tell you another thing I sure as shit I'm not afraid of.
Women.
I'm not afraid of women.
I'm not afraid of women.
They want to control their bodies.
I say go for it.
They want to use IVF to start a family?
I'm not afraid of families.
They want to be childless cat ladies.
Have all the chance you want.
Woman wants to be president?
Well, I hope she has the guts to look me right in the eye and accept my full-throated endorsement.
I love women.
I love women who support their families.
Women who decide not to have families.
Women who take charge.
And I'm man enough to help them win.
You might think that only a white dude for Harris could script an advert specifically for men that actually appeals exclusively to Dylan Mulvaney.
But just to be clear, Trump has problems of his own woman problems.
And that's why he's now taking part in an all-female town hall to address that imbalance.
Whether it's Latinos and crypto bros for Trump or students and cat ladies for Harris, the fact remains with an election misclose, the margins will matter.
Both candidates know it.
The only safe bet about the next 20 days is it's not going to be boring.
Well joining me now to discuss all this is our panel, PBD's podcast Angry Patriot, Benny O'Shana, Vajahat Ali, the host of Democracy-ish, CEO and star of Timcast Tim Poole, and the progressive broadcaster Namiki Konce.
Welcome to all of you.
Tim Poole, welcome to Uncensored.
Finally get you on.
Been wanting to have you on for a long time.
You're doing great guns yourself.
Just your overview is where we are with 20 days to go here, because it looks like this is an absolute knife edge race.
I would say that it seems Trump's winning the argument.
I know there's a big divide between men and women.
And it's funny because we've seen this bubbling up over the past several years with many culture war issues.
If you look at the aggregate polling right now, particularly in battleground states, at this time in 2020, Joe Biden was up nine points.
So we are seeing that Kamala is ahead nationally in aggregate.
Trump seems to have an edge, whether he wins the popular vote, I don't know.
But I think when it comes to the issue of men and women that you were just bringing up, women may hold their nose and vote for Donald Trump.
And I think this is actually more of a left-leaning opinion, which for some reason I got a lot of flack for, but I think there are a lot of men who will not vote for a woman no matter what.
And I think Kamala does have, you know, there's obvious issues of professionalism, but I do think sexism will play a role in her not being able to win over men in this election.
Yeah.
I mean, my thing about Kamala Harris is that when I watch her, and I know your views on Trump, and I don't disagree with some of them, and we all know our views of Trump, frankly.
He is what he is.
Kamala Harris, obviously, is a bit more of a new proposition.
Because when you're VP, you're kind of hiding behind the president.
And we've only really seen the full Kamala, I would say, in the last two months.
And the more we see of her, with the exception of a very competent debate performance, the more I see in interviews, the more unsubstantial she seems.
And I think that is her problem, is that people think she talks in a kind of word salad-y way, and that Trump, for all his, you know, nonsense sometimes, at least has a quite clear messaging marketing process, which he just rams home the same things again and again and again.
And they do resonate with people.
How concerned are you that with just three weeks to go that Kamala has that issue of she was probably a pretty left-wing progressive.
She's barreled her way back to the center as fast as she can, but people aren't really buying it.
I don't think she's...
Sorry, Tim, I was for Wajah.
Sorry.
Sorry, go ahead.
I think that's part of the misogyny that Tim was talking about, that when you look at a career professional like Kamala Harris, who was a district attorney, who was an attorney general, who was a senator, who was a vice president, and who's now running for president, who has come out with record rallies, a record amount of enthusiasm, and who right now is leading in the polls, you compare her to Donald Trump, who just yesterday literally, and I'm using the word literally as it's meant to be used, at his rally, instead of answering questions for 39 minutes, I've never seen this before in my life.
I'm 43 years old, just sat there swaying and dancing, right?
He literally canceled a CANBC interview just today, about an hour ago.
He refuses to release his medical record.
He canceled the 60 Minutes interview.
He refuses to do another debate.
Meanwhile, Kamala Harris says, okay, I'm going to go to Call Her Daddy.
I'm going to go to New Media.
I'm going to go do 60 Minutes.
I'm going to do Howard Stern.
I'm going to go to Stephen Colbert.
I'll do another debate.
He doesn't want to do a debate.
I'll do a town hall.
I'll even go to Joe Rogan.
This is called a campaign that is run by professionals.
This is a professional politician, a professional public servant who actually knows what she's doing.
Now, the razor's edge, like we all discussed, is because it is going to be a close race thanks to the electoral college, the battleground states.
She is going to win the popular vote.
I believe she will win the presidency.
This reminds me more of 2012, where the polls are very similar.
A lot of people thought, oh, Obama's not going to pull through.
I think she will.
I think she's doing a really smart thing right now by going on Rogan, all these other outlets trying to win over the argument.
And I agree with Tim.
I never thought I would say this.
I agree with Tim that we do have a misogyny problem and a racism problem in America, which is why some people, some young men who realize Donald Trump has only a concept of a plan and no plan might not vote for Kamala Harris.
But I do believe she has the enthusiasm and she will get it done.
All right, Vinny, a response to that.
I mean, first and foremost, anything that's negative about Trump, I always refer back, Piers, as you know.
We've already had the four years of Donald Trump.
I don't know what this guy's talking about.
It sounds like you're getting paid by the Democratic Party.
We've already had four years of Trump and we were winning, okay?
Look at this past four years.
Please tell me, you talked about her career in San Francisco and everything.
What did she accomplish when she was there?
146 laws that she tried to get behind.
None of them were passed.
She has an abysmal record.
If anything that we've seen in this past four years, you think that what's Kamala going to do different?
I'm just curious.
What do you think Kamala's going to do?
I don't care about the enthusiasm.
I don't care about the men for Kamala.
Please tell me what her, name one policy, name one policy that she's going to do that's going to save America from this past four years that she's been involved in.
I'm very curious.
Very curious.
We don't have anything.
There's nothing.
Wait, ready for this?
But before you go, is it the border?
Hang on.
You ask the question.
Yeah, I'm very curious.
All right, here we go.
Unlike Donald Trump, she's not going to unleash the military on U.S. citizens.
He promised to do that on the weekend.
Unlike Donald Trump, she's actually supported a bomber care and strengthen it, not destroy it.
Unlike the police.
That's not a policy.
Yes, it is.
She's going to fund Social Security.
That's not a policy.
She's going to fund Medicare.
Donald Trump and Republicans said they want to destroy it.
She's going to reinstate Roe v. Wade.
She's going to try to actually make that into law, unlike Donald Trump and Republicans who overturned it, and which is why they're going to lose the election.
Because they attacked women, women's rights.
They're going to go after contraceptive and IVF.
There you go, genius.
Vinny.
You're a genius, Vinny, apparently.
So that, yeah, thank you.
I'm a genius.
But Piers, let's just face the facts, okay?
All the fear, all the mongering, all the everything.
I've already lived through four years of Trump, okay?
And Kamala Harris, say what you want.
She wasn't the president.
She was with Biden the entire time.
And he's been throwing her ass under the bus lately.
He's saying every decision I made, she was right there with me.
So for all the real Americans that are sitting out there listening, everything, all the problems that you have at home, the inflation, the border, the Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment complexes, are you ready for this?
A tornado, hurricanes destroying Florida.
And our government, FEMA, Alejaya Maorkis, and Kamala, give them 700.
Excuse me, let me finish.
I live in Florida.
It's been $70.
$750.
Meanwhile, this, excuse me.
Meanwhile, this year, we've given $100 billion to freaking Ukraine, to Israel, and everybody.
Not one American should ever suffer or be asking for money ever.
We're America first.
Trump's America first.
Biden and Kamala are America last.
And the numbers show it.
Don't act like I'm sitting here like some right-wing maniac.
Okay?
Look at the stats.
Rising Support Among Black Men 00:15:50
You're showing you're a right-wing maniac.
You sound like the right-wing media.
You don't need to be aware of that.
Demika, you've been calling it.
I think you were calling Vinny God throughout that response.
So what are you doing?
Explain yourself.
Why you think he's so godlike?
Who is this calling Vinny God?
I wasn't calling him God.
Well, you were saying God repeatedly.
I wasn't sure if you meant he was a God or not.
Oh, my God, is what I was saying.
Oh my God.
I was yanking you.
I'm just sick of the QAnon talking points.
Listen, I mean, there's so much.
There we go.
There we go.
The name Penny.
Vinny, you had your moment, okay?
Please, I've been very quiet here listening to you guys as the woman as you explain misogyny to everyone.
I knew we were going to go there.
I love women.
You know, because I, because I'm a woman, oh, you love women.
I'm sure they love you too.
Listen, this is going to be determined by women.
This election is going to be determined by women.
And women are not only, we saw it in 2022, this country has turned out in response to Roe v. Wade, not just because it's an attack against abortion rights and abortion access and the right to choose, but also it shows that the Republican Party and Donald Trump have had an agenda, not only through cutting off clinics, funding to clinics across the country, feminist attacks on IVF,
not only with their online agenda, like Tim Poole here, who was funded by the Russians, let's not forget, that they had an agenda to sway young male voters into being radicalized through disinformation campaigns.
This is all out there at this point.
Part of the gender divide here right now, part of the gender divide here right now, is because folks like Tim Poole and others, who once said they were Bernie Sanders supporters, who I worked for, were suddenly pulling people away and pulling young men away and radicalizing them.
So I think we have a problem with young men right now and that they don't respect women, as you're seeing with Vinny.
They don't respect facts.
They don't read newspapers.
They don't understand polls.
They don't understand misogyny.
They don't understand people of color.
And they don't understand that that immigration bill was blocked.
And you know what, Namiki?
Donald Trump and his Republicans.
Namiki, what you're going to come to Tim for a response.
But Namiki, what you may not understand is it's precisely that attitude towards younger men that is driving them to Donald Trump.
And I think the election in the end will not be one with women.
It will be one with men.
And interestingly, increasing numbers of black American men and Latino American men.
So Tim.
Can I just challenge that for a second?
You can challenge it.
Men don't turn out at the same rates as women.
It's really important.
Women have a higher rate of turnout.
They're more reliable voters.
And young women are more left than they've ever been because of a lot of the online hate that they're seeing.
So while Tim Poole may not like this, the majority of men actually do respect women and do like to talk to them.
And I think, you know, is there misogyny?
Sure.
Why would Tim Poole not like people to respect women?
What's he said that makes you think that?
What did I say to this?
I watched his commentary in response to the Kamala.
This lady, I have a name, Tim.
I've called you your name.
You can call me my name.
My name is Namiki Const.
I'm well known.
I'm on the internet.
You've commented about me before as this lady.
So, Tim, you know, I saw your commentary about the manliness ad, and you said that that wasn't manly.
I don't think that men should be looking to other men to see what's manly.
I mean, most heterosexual men want to persuade women because it's part of their, you know, it's how they live, right?
Tim Poole, I'm just questioning why you're defining masculinity.
Let Tim Poole get because we're the ones.
Oh, well, it's interesting that you think you should be able to define masculinity, but he can't.
Tim Poole, your response.
I don't know why this lady keeps saying my name.
I didn't say anything to her.
I think I started this off by saying I agree with the left position that there is an inherent sexism problem in this country.
That actually, I'm hearing this from some of the reporters that we have on the street, that there are young men when asked why they wouldn't support Kamala Harris.
They give no reason other than she's just a woman.
So I certainly understand why the Harris campaign, Tim Waltz and Harris, and their supporters are making videos trying to tell men, you know, here's how you can be masculine.
So in particular, there's a couple ads.
There's the white dude for Harris ad, and then there was another one that was put out, I believe it was by supporters, not the campaign officially, and a Tim Waltz ad that were similar.
And they're doing these things where they say, like, you know, I can fix a carburetor and I'm not scared of women.
These things don't say anything to men.
Now, we believe, I should say the commentary we had on this is that there were female-coded advertisements likely written by women for men.
I think if you look at the trends that guys follow in terms of media, they're looking at action movies.
It's rather stereotypical, but there is a lowest common denominator here.
So I don't think you are convincing men to vote for women by making commercials where you say, here's how men should act.
I don't think you need those arguments for men.
I think if there's a struggle with men, I wonder if the issue is not that it's a point of convincing these men, but that you actually just have guys who are sexist.
And how you overcome that's a challenge, I don't quite know.
But I think when we criticize and mock, say, a cringe commercial, it's because this is certainly not the way to do it.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Vajah.
It depends on who you're trying to target.
I mean, if you're trying to target Tim Pool viewers, yeah, probably not.
I mean, the far right, I don't think Kamala Harris or any Democrat was ever going to win over.
But there are plenty of men who may need permission.
What do you mean a Tim Pool viewer?
Well, I mean, you have an audience.
Someone who's far right and over 90% sexual.
So you're saying that you think my audience that agrees with me that there's inherent sexism in this country and racism and that that creates a barrier for Kamala Harris.
Those are the viewers you're talking about?
No, I'm saying that the folks who listen to your show are not the target audience of these ads.
There are plenty of men out there who may not have really understood when they kept asking things like, where is Kamala Harris's plan?
Even though she has said it over and over and over again on the campaign trail.
They're using excuses.
But you're making it.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Lemiki.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Kamala Harris with the best woman in the world.
She doesn't have a big plan for what she's going to do.
She never thought she'd have to have one.
She gets parachuted in this weird coronation, a completely undemocratic process, by the way, which I don't think served her or the Democrats very well.
And I suspect we'll come back and haunt them at the election.
But the truth is that Kamala Harris doesn't seem to have a proper plan.
Her plan is to hammer Trump, and that's fine.
But I don't think that unlike in 2020, when Biden hid in the basement and did that quite successfully, I don't think just being anti-Trump is enough.
Americans are looking for a much bigger picture.
I want to bring in Vajahay.
Hang on, hang on.
I'll come back to you.
I want to bring in Vajah about this extraordinary Obama intervention.
And I'll play the clip where he was talking directly to black men in America.
And you're coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses.
I've got a problem with that.
Because part of it makes me think, I'm speaking to men directly.
Part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president.
And you're coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for that.
That seemed quite patronizing to me, Vajah.
But I'll play another clip, which is a response from Lord Jamar, the rapper and record producer, to what he heard from Obama there.
Well, I feel that she's so bad that guess what?
I might just go around and vote for Trump.
And this is my first time saying this out loud.
But y'all think you're going to shame somebody or bully into voting for this?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
And now I'm going to be, now you're going to make me be Mr. Anti.
You keep coming at me with this bullshit.
You keep coming at me talking about.
Oh, it's a shame that you're not supporting a black woman.
She's not black.
Vajah.
Wow.
I watched that and I was interested because I think if I was a black American and I'm neither, but if I was, I would have thought that Obama intervention was quite patronizing.
Yeah, so you're not a black man and you're going to be probably, if you were a black man, you might be one of the 12% that vote Republican.
Historically, 88% vote Democrat.
And it seems like this time around, 88% are going to vote Democrat.
The same thing happened in 2012.
There was a discussion within Black America that some people said, hey, Obama, don't talk down to black men like this because black men will actually support Kamala and don't be swayed by the 12% or the 15% or Lord Jamal, who, by the way, has never voted before.
It seems like this is a manufactured controversy, but guess what?
I'm glad the one thing we all agree on in this panel, I'm really being sincere about here, is we all agree that misogyny and racism exist in America.
And we all agree that it plays a part.
And we agree, and we should agree that there's a double standard that Kamala Harris, as the first black Indian woman, has to basically overcome.
She has to pole vault over this.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump has no plans.
He's selling black people's shoes.
Yesterday, Kamala Harris said, here's my plan for black men.
He actually comes up with a comprehensive plan that will actually help young black men.
And by the way, that is going to resonate.
What does Donald Trump do?
Sways to music for 39 minutes, talks about Hannibal Elector, talks about black jobs, says Kamala Harris has turned black, talks about black criminality in the urban warfare of Detroit, mocks Detroit, a place where he's speaking, a major city in a swing to say he needs to win.
This is what he does for black people.
He's racist.
He hangs out with racists.
He supports Nazi talking points, literally talking about poisoning the blood with Nick Swentz.
Just to jump in, Vajray, Vajrayana.
Meanwhile, Kamala Harris actually comes up with a plan, and you say she has no plan.
But just see, what's interesting to me, Vaja, is despite everything you've just said, Trump's support amongst black Americans, particularly black male Americans, has been rising steadily now for the last two years, which would be apparently inexplicable given what you've just said.
They don't perceive him that way.
And it looks like from the polling that what they really believe is that Trump will get stuff like the economy done better than Kamala has proven to have done in the last nearly four years as part of the Biden administration.
So you can say as much as you like that he's a disgusting racist Nazi, blah, blah, blah.
But you can't explain to me unless you've got a good reason why so many more black men in particular in America are gravitating away from a black candidate to Trump.
Piers, there's also so much disinformation thanks specifically to right-wing media and also in part due to Russian influence media that a majority of Republicans believe Trump more than their own pastors.
They're not just Russia, their families and right-wing media people.
And also they believe, wait, wait, they believe that Donald Trump won the 2020 election that he lost.
This is what we're dealing with, which is why I know that.
You have no idea why those people.
What do you mean?
You don't know that all the black American men really gravitated to Trump all believe he had that election.
I'm not talking about black American men.
Well, I am.
That was my question.
I'm talking about disinformation.
My specific question is.
If he's so racist, why are so many more, excuse me, I've had man flu.
I'm sure you all feel desperately sorry for me.
But you don't explain to me, and you haven't done yet, why is it that his support amongst the black vote in America has been rising pretty consistently now for the last year and a half, two years?
Why?
Sure.
I will say two things.
Number one, wait till the election results.
I will not be surprised if it comes back to 88, 12, 85, 15, Kamala Trump.
Number two, there is misogyny, and there is a misogyny that exists within black communities as well, which is why Obama and others, and some black men, didn't like the way he said it, but they're saying, hey, listen, support this candidate.
She is the right candidate.
She has the experience.
She has the capacity.
She will do it right.
Misogyny is not just limited to white men or black men or brown men or South Asian men.
Unfortunately, it is a global problem, and we're seeing it persist and come out, unfortunately, in this election because we have a qualified candidate, Kamala Harris, who happens to be a black Indian woman.
So they're making the pitch to men.
Hey, get over your misogyny and choose the right candidate who actually has a plan that will uplift all of the people.
Okay, I'm going to come to Vinnie.
Hopefully, this year's with enough.
I'm going to come to Vinny, but what I would say to that is, is that, again, is extremely patronizing to black Americans who may gravitate to Trump.
You are assuming they're all just ill-informed misogynists.
And that is very patronizing.
Let me come to you.
I want to keep saying that.
I'll come to Vinny first, and I'll come to you, Tim.
Vinny, Vinny, your response.
One sentence.
Okay, hang on.
Okay, Vinny, Vinny, wait one sec.
Tim, you respond.
Yeah, go ahead.
Reporters we've had on the street, when they talk to young black men, they all say they're going to vote for Donald Trump.
But then when it comes to, are you actually going to show up?
We're not seeing that in the same amount.
So it may be talk.
I actually agree that the numbers may actually fall in historical lines and we're not going to see this big boost.
We always hear it.
We never see it.
But in relation to why they're gravitating to Trump or saying they are, what are you hearing on that?
Well, it seems like Trump is the bad.
Vinny, I'll come to you one second.
I was just going to go off with what Tim said.
Yeah, Vinny, I will come to you one second.
I just want Tim to respond on that one point because you talked about talking to these very people.
What was the reason that they were giving predominantly for moving to Trump?
I don't think that we're not really hearing good reasons, to be completely honest.
The average person isn't hyper-tuned into all the politics, but it seems like, at least from what I've heard, they view Trump as an outsider, as a bandit, as a John Dillinger, right?
He's outside the machine.
He's fighting it.
He's a bad boy, and you're bad for supporting him.
So if you're a young man and you walk up to your group of dudes and you say, I'm voting for Kamala Harris, they're going to laugh at you because she does not come off like a bad guy who's aggressive and a bully or anything like that.
Will this actually translate into people showing up at the polls?
I'm not convinced it will.
Okay, Vinny, you're waiting patiently.
What do you think of this?
Okay, so when you said, Piers, when you said like, why, why the African-American population is starting to lean towards Trump?
The numbers are off, by the way, because we just did it today in the PBD podcast.
It was 81% for Obama.
It dropped to 70 when it was Hillary.
Then it kept decreasing.
Kamala is the lowest out of all of them and it keeps decreasing.
And the Obama rhetoric of, you know, mean, you're black.
If you're not, you have to do this.
You have to do this.
It's patronizing.
And let's not forget a lot of African-American friends that I have, Piers, like, you know what?
Trump is going through what the government is doing with him, with the law fair and the media, making him look bad.
They're attracted to that because they know that that's what they've been going through forever.
And all this BS rhetoric of Trump is racist.
Enough of that.
And this guy even talked about Russia again with Russia, Russia.
It's like, guys, get over it.
This identity politics, it ain't working, okay?
Because the people are waking up.
This Hitler, whatever, Nazi rhetoric, which I don't think you've learned, people are actually trying to go after Trump and murder him because of people like you saying some dumb shit like he's Hitler.
Like, you know how disrespectful that is to Jewish people that I know?
I have Jewish friends that are enraged because you're saying somebody's Hitler, like he killed millions of Jews.
I think it's stupid, it's disrespectful.
Letting Women Speak Freely 00:04:09
But Piers, what else do you expect from the Democratic Party?
Okay, it's all about identity.
It's all about sexism.
It's women.
It's this is that.
Trump wasn't racist till he said he was running for the presidency.
Okay.
And you know what this?
People are tired.
Guys, do you feel it, Piers?
All the way in England?
People are tired of this BS Trump is this, Trump is that.
I've already gotten four years of him, and we were kicking ass until China unleashed COVID.
You know what?
If you guys, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
And I'm almost done, Piers.
And you know what's funny about the left?
If they didn't do all this Hunter Biden suppressing laptop BS and COVID and all that, he'd be leaving in three weeks.
You'd be done with Trump.
All you TDS people out there like our guests, you guys would have been, your hands would have been done.
Trump would have been gone.
But they had to do all that.
The FBI had to go to Twitter to suppress stories.
COVID, everybody had to vote from home.
All that BS had to happen.
You guys would have been done with him by now.
But now, you guys want it?
You're going to get another four years.
I don't care about this polling.
The same polling, Piers, had Hillary winning by 90%.
You guys, it's going to be a shocker for you guys if you have another four more years of TDS.
All right.
Namiki.
TDS.
What do you mean the polling for Hillary will be?
Hang on, hang on.
Jovini, let me go to Namiki.
Here's what I would say.
I do think the Trump derangement syndrome is a very real and utterly self-harming thing.
The more you scream hysterically about Trump, the more you exaggerate him as the new Hitler and so on, the more it just plays into his hands.
Because A, it's not true.
And B, he uses it to master himself even more as the great underdog railing against this system, which insists on calling him the new Hitler, which I've always thought is a completely ridiculous thing to do.
Before you say it, I know that Vance called him that before, and he was wrong too, right?
So just using labels like that is completely pointless.
I don't think going too hysterical about Trump is the way to beat him.
If I was a Democrat, pick him off.
Pick him off in a smart, intelligent way.
But don't just scream.
It's like everyone goes, all the time you mentioned his name.
It doesn't work.
That's why he's now neck and neck with your candidate.
There's a broad coalition of folks who are supporting Kamala Harris, as there's a broad coalition of folks who are supporting Donald Trump.
Not all of them are loyal MAGA people who would storm the Capitol like Vinny here or paid by Russia like Tim Poole here.
But with that being said, Donald Trump yesterday said that he would use Donald Trump yesterday.
Can I talk, please?
I'll let you respond to Tim.
Let him finish, Tim.
I'm sorry.
This is like, you want to know what misogyny is?
You want to know misogyny?
You let my colleague here on the left talk without being interrupted.
I am not allowed to speak.
Tim?
Tim, sitting and listening to Tim.
Are you on the clock right now for Russia?
I know you get $100,000 a week from Russia and the FBI intervened.
So listen.
Because you guys, what you do is you make stuff up and you say my name 50 times because you want the clicks on YouTube.
Instead of having a real conversation about the BISC, I don't have a YouTube show, Tim.
So that you can do whatever you got to do.
So you get attention and you get your viral clips.
I get it.
But it's not constructive.
It's not solving our problems.
I haven't met Tim outside of YouTube.
I'm like Him.
So don't talk over each other because we can't actually hear Tim when you're talking about it.
Can I finish?
I'm sorry.
This is ridiculous, Piers.
You see what the problem is.
Here's an example of that.
Okay, wait, wait, one second.
No one can hear.
Tim Pool, you're in the middle of the morning.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on, Namiki.
Nobody can hear either of you because every time you talk, Tim's mic comes out.
And he's trying to speak too.
Let me just get Tim to respond to you first, then I'll come back to you.
I never got to say that.
Hang on, Namiki.
Hang on, Namiki.
Let him come back to you on what you were saying, and then you can respond.
Tim.
But I never got to say what I was saying.
You actually answered.
What did he say yesterday?
You can answer the question and we can have a substantive conversation on the issues, or you can keep saying my name.
Pick one.
Namiki, what do you want?
Guess what?
You're not the host.
Okay.
Donald Trump.
Let me come on the show.
I know this works for you to talk over women because you're used to an audience of 90% males, but let me speak.
Let me speak.
If we're talking about misogyny, then maybe you can talk about misogyny and have a woman talk about misogyny.
Military Threats to Political Enemies 00:04:29
Donald Trump yesterday said that he was going to use the military against political enemies.
Donald Trump said that he was going to challenge the election after he already challenged the election.
These are things authoritarians do.
I'm not using the H-word.
I'm using authoritarian and what's at risk.
We have Dick Cheney, who I have nothing in common with, you know, siding with Bernie Sanders in this election because they fear that our democratic world is at stake, that the world order as it is, as imperfect and flawed as it is, is at stake because there is foreign interference.
Yeah, I do think that's worth mentioning because Trump goes against everything that's pro-America.
He didn't even, you know, he didn't want to support the immigration bill and he blocked it.
You know, inflation began to increase under him.
We can't forget that.
Manufacturing did not succeed as he promised in 2016 when he ran on that.
And no, actually, the economy wasn't better under him.
Go look at 2020 economic numbers and they were horrible.
And we have inflation going down.
Wall Street is doing better than it's ever been.
Wages are up at record rates now.
Finally, I mean, unemployment is at a record low.
This is real.
These are real issues.
And Kamala is presenting issues to invest in small businesses, to expand Obamacare, which is hurting so many small businesses.
I mean, she actually does have an economic plan, and Donald Trump is just talking about military against political economy.
Okay, but the interesting thing is that despite that big speech you just made, it is completely neck and neck.
Trump's the head in five of the seven key swing states because people simply don't believe that Kamala Harris has done a great job with the economy.
And when it comes to the southern border, she was the border czar.
And everyone on the left was quite happy to call her that, right to the point it became a millstone when she got coronated.
And they realized it was embarrassing to be having responsibility for such a complete fiasco, whichever side of the divide you're on.
Tim, your response now to Namiki.
Well, I mean, if we've got issues to discuss in terms of how we can help this country move forward, what we think the issues in the election are, how they're going to affect who votes for Kamala or Trump, I think that's what we should be talking about.
The only reason I began to counter what she was saying was because she keeps bringing me up for some reason, and I'm not a politician.
I'm some dude who complains on the internet for a living.
Right.
Yeah, I think that's perfectly fair response.
It was paid by the Russians, though.
That's important.
It's just made up.
You know, Wajahat makes an interesting point about disinformation.
Go on, well, no, I think it's fascinating that instead of just saying, is Tim right or wrong, I think actually my opening assessment on this was an inherent misogyny in this country, which is a negative impact on Kamala Harris.
For some reason, she just turns it into an attack on me and then says it's Russian disinformation.
Okay, I don't know what is it.
Is there racism and Texas?
That's that where this misogyny comes from.
And there's a lot of disinformation funded by Russia.
And I think that's important to mention.
And you have a pretty early man logic.
You know, Piers, can I say something?
Yeah, it's bringing in Vajah.
Yeah.
Sure.
It's not TDS when General Milley, the former top general who's retired, openly said that Donald Trump is a, quote, total fascist.
It's not TDS when Donald Trump literally over the weekend said he will unleash the military against U.S. citizens.
It's not TDS when Donald Trump last week in Aurora openly said that he will invoke the Alien Sedition Act that interned Japanese Americans during World War II.
This is not TDS when he to this day refuses, refuses.
He's been asked multiple times, will you accept the 2024 results?
He's not said yes each and every single time.
He still does not accept the 2020 results.
And he said his words that he will be a dictator for a day and he will terminate the Constitution.
It is the failure of corporate media and also social media and also several influential people on YouTube for the past four years have not raised the threat and have done a both sides analysis where we've given Donald Trump a pass and promoted hateful talking points and conspiracy theories.
And yes, some individuals and outlets have been paid by Russia.
It has been confirmed.
They have been unwitting agents of Russia, whether they realize it or not.
Tim Poole and a lot of his friends, unfortunately, this is true.
Now, I don't know if Tim knew it.
He says he did it, but this is the disinformation that has come out in the past four years, which is why.
Which is why, in part, Pierce, there is such lack of information and knowledge about the fact that you know what I think that Donald Trump won the 2020.
Reading the Russia Indictment 00:06:48
Listen, listen.
Okay, hang on, hang on, Tim.
Just to be clear, Vajer, it's a two-way street, this rhetoric line that you peddle about this stuff, because when you persistently call, as the left have for eight years now, Trump the new Hitler, I'm afraid that is the kind of thing.
I didn't say they were.
Well, I'm not saying you did.
I'm just saying a lot on the left have.
JD Vance did.
And I've already said what I think of that, right?
What I'm saying is when they say that about him, unfortunately, that is about as extreme as you could possibly be in terms of rhetoric.
You're likening him to someone who killed 12 million people, including perpetrating a holocaust on Jewish people that killed 6 million of them.
And that does lead to deranged minds trying to kill him, as we've seen repeatedly in the last three months.
So this idea that somehow the Democrats the Democrats rise above this hyperbolic rhetoric.
Anyway, you made an allegation against Tim there, which is that he was being used by Russia to promote disinformation.
Tim, your response.
So this is the struggle, right?
We are beset on all sides with disinformation, and it comes from everybody, either on purpose or on accident.
Someone might see a story, they assume it's true.
If someone's only watching MSNBC, they're going to live in a particular world.
If someone's only watching Fox News, it's quite the same.
The one thing I can say is that I never received a penny from Russia, that what you're referring to, and I hope you guys read the indictment, there's limited things that I can say in this as the victim in what's going on.
And so what we're dealing with is three layers of investment through shell companies.
A company that I produce a show for received money from another American-based company that at some point, according to an allegate indictment, allegedly received money from Hungarian shell companies, which came, they allege from Russia.
None of this is confirmed.
These are all allegations.
And my company has never done business with Russia nor received money from Russia.
This is just not the case.
In fact, there's not much I can say as the victim, and we are cooperating with the DOJ.
There's not much more to be said.
But if you're going to come on a show like this and then you're going to just repeat these false talking points while accusing others of disinformation without having done the legwork, I've not said anything disrespectful to either of you guys on the panel, but you keep throwing fake things at me.
And I don't know why.
I don't know why.
In fact, I think I agree with both of you on a lot of what you did say.
I'm sitting here.
And Roger, this is not directed at you because I actually agree with you quite a bit on what you said.
But I don't know why I'm the subject of this and why you keep bringing this up while claiming disinformation is a problem and then not doing research to figure out what is true or what isn't.
Yeah, I think that's a perfectly reasonable response.
I received funding from tenant media.
Okay, so yes, the money did flow through several entities.
That's called money funneling.
And because you can't just take money directly from Russia.
I read the indictment.
Namiki, do you have any questions?
Namiki, hang on, hang on.
Namiki, do you have any evidence that when you say that Tim Poole took money from Russia to spread disinformation, do you have any actual evidence for that?
Yes, in the indictment from the DOJ, which anybody can read, it's a fun read, actually, really fascinating stuff.
It said that the money, allegedly the money, had been moved through this investigation through multiple entities because you can't, as an American citizen, just get money from Russia, like openly.
You can't do that.
So RT funneled money into different entities to tenant media, and they were in direct communication.
Tenant Media, who was paying Tim Poole's company.
But that isn't my question.
That's not my question.
My question was, do you have any evidence that Tim Poole took money from Russia to spread disinformation?
Yes or no?
And the answer is you don't.
I've read that indictment.
There is no evidence.
There is no evidence.
There is no evidence that he spread disinformation because the Russians were paying him.
You know that.
I know that.
And when you're going to make a big platform on a show like this by saying Tim Paul took money from Russia to spread information, there is no evidence.
And separate, not to spread disinformation because he spreads disinformation.
So that's a very important point.
He was a useful idiot in this term useful idiot.
I'm not calling you an idiot, just to be clear.
You mean because he disagrees with you about something?
Which disinformation?
No, it's not because he disagrees, but because Namiki, your COVID disinformation.
Hang on, hang on.
Namiki, Tim just asks a very good question.
What specific disinformation has he spread?
Well, he was a COVID denier, got COVID, on his show, denied COVID regularly, and then took ivermectin, which we all know is not something that's okay.
All right, you say that.
Tim Poole, your response to that.
That's one thing.
Hang on.
Tim Tim Poole.
Never denied COVID, repeatedly rejected ivermectin, rejected hydroxychloroquine, urged everybody to go to their doctors, refused ivermectin when it was prescribed to me.
So I don't know what you're talking about.
You're making things up.
So that seems to me, Namiki, a pretty clear denunciation of what you just said is utter disinformation.
Never said Donald Trump won the 2020 election either.
I said he lost the day it was announced he lost.
And the Culture War show to which you're referring, which a production company had a contract with Tenet Media.
Which episode are you referring to?
The one where we had a talk on the future of video games, the future of Neuralink, space travel, the production.
The Culture War show is not an overt political show.
The Culture War show, for instance, yesterday, or I should say last week or the week before, we had a mob boss talking on what it was like to be in the mafia running casinos.
I don't know how a show where we interview various guests on certain ideas like religion has anything to do with the political landscape.
But perhaps if you actually read this, you'd also know that the deal was a non-exclusive reproduction license, meaning my production company posted a show everywhere on the internet and Tenet purchased the license for rebroadcast.
The show was controlled by a production company and they had no say in it whatsoever.
So if you're saying that a cultural show that interviews priests and scientists is disinformation, you've clearly not read any of this and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah, I think I'm afraid we're going to be able to do it.
It would seem to me, Nami, we know it's a problem.
It would seem to me, Namiki, with great respect, you've brought a pea shooter to a gunfight on this one and you should have been better prepared.
Can we all agree on something?
Because Tim's answers are pretty unequivocal.
You really should read the indictment because Namiki, you said plenty of things and they've all been replied to.
Vaja, you want to say something?
I think we can all agree, and I hope we all agree, that a hostile foreign nation should not be funneling money and or trying to funnel money to any U.S. media company to promote its talking points.
I think we should all agree on that.
Do we all agree on that?
I agree on that.
Tim?
Yes.
Absolutely.
And so the show Friday was a scientist refuting claims of man-made geoengineering and hurricanes.
I don't know how a show like that is some way political or talking.
All right.
Now, you know what?
We've covered this.
Let's move on.
We're running out of time.
Music, Gyrating, and Hostile Nations 00:06:57
I want to play a clip to you, Vinny, of Donald Trump dancing for half an hour in Pennsylvania last night.
Now, what was interesting is Vajra had earlier said, you know, he lost his mind and blah, blah, blah.
In fact, what happened there, because I checked facts, which I know is a sort of quaint thing to do these days, is that two members of the audience, one after the other, were taken quite badly ill.
And as a result, Trump stopped the Q ⁇ A and said, no more questions, but let's play some music.
He had a plan to play some music anyway, and he played the music.
And I was struck by the Sinead O'Connor part of that because when I spoke to Trump on the phone about a week ago, he was on his plane and in the background was Sinead O'Connor singing, nothing compares to you.
Now I know why he was playing in the background on his plane.
So that answered that question.
But here's the thing, Vinny.
I just think Trump is, whether you love him or hate him, I've always said this.
He's a kind of unique character in the political world.
And last night was classic Trump.
It was completely surprising.
It came out of nowhere.
It was prompted by two people being sick.
But in the end, people scream at him if he does his normal rally stuff.
And they scream at him when he plays some lovely music and just sits there dancing without saying anything.
This comes back to my thing and your thing about TDS is that if you scream at Trump for standing there just doing a bit of gyrating to some of the greatest songs ever made in the history of music, there's something wrong with you, isn't it?
39 minutes.
I mean, Piers, absolutely not.
Listen to me.
Donald Trump, love him or hate him, is a freaking rock star.
Either you're blind or you just are in complete denial.
His rallies are absolutely insane.
And I love that you said that, Piers, the left and all these people talking about, oh, he just stood there like a crazy person.
People were having freaking heart attacks in the audience.
So he, out of the kindness of his heart, was just hanging out and playing freaking music.
And you know what?
He should be happy.
Somebody shot him in the freaking head and he survived.
Another psycho was trying to kill him at freaking Mar-a-Lago.
And this other guy, I don't know about the third assassination attempt, but they are all trying to kill him.
And no matter what he does, Piers, he could have been holding a baby.
They would have been complaining and crying about him.
And I don't care how much these guests say that they don't have TDS.
You think about Donald Trump every single day.
People like me don't think about Barack.
I don't think about Kamala.
I mean, it's freaking election season, so we have to.
But other than that, get on with it, bro.
Nobody wants to hear it.
It's all the same talking points.
It's all the same BS rhetoric.
The guy's dancing to music, and they can't stand that.
Like, what else do you want him to do?
Well, Vajaha, it's a good question.
Why are you so appalled by Donald Trump simply dancing to great music?
What's the matter with you?
He first and foremost mocked the man who passed out as he was being carried out on a stretcher, a Trump supporter.
He said, lose weight.
Here we go.
When he was answering questions, he did, check out the video.
Once he was answering questions during the part of the rally, he talked about Hannibal Lecter.
He was asked a simple question about the economy.
He talked about hydrogen cars exploding.
Then he seemed to just run out of stamina.
It's a weekend at Bernie's.
Emperor has no clothes.
No, that's not what happened.
That's not what happened.
For 39 minutes, listen, let's call it a message.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on, Benny.
I mean, you are the high priest of disinformation, Vajah, and you're literally spewing it.
Yes, yes.
You know, and I know, and everybody knows.
Everyone knows that Trump stopped the Q ⁇ A because two people were taken ill and he moved to doing some music.
You know that.
I know that.
No, wait, wait, wait.
No, no.
He stopped for 39 minutes.
Then he did not resume.
He left.
Then today, in the morning, he canceled his CNBC interview.
He has refused to do the 60-minutes interview, has refused to release his medical records, has refused to debate Kamala Harris on CNN.
Now she's doing a town hall.
The man is the oldest man to run for president.
He slurred his words yesterday, made some word Asian.
I don't even what he's talking about.
He talked about Hannibal Lecter.
The guy isn't there, folks.
He isn't there.
He only mentions.
He's not to help you.
But look, A, he mentions Hannibal Lecter in every single speech, and he does it purely to annoy people like you.
That's the only reason he does it.
No, I think he doesn't understand the word asylum.
I don't think he understands the word asylum.
And also, for him to say we can't Hannibal Lecter, because he doesn't understand the word asylum.
But listen, Piers, I respect you for doing your best to put lipstick on a pig.
I respect you for trying your best to make this king look like he's brilliant, to look like this weak old man to seem like he's a bull.
I didn't see that.
This was really pathetic last night.
All I said.
I know you're trying.
Oh, he wasn't dancing to American music.
Presidential candidate three weeks before the election.
Doing that is disastrous.
You know it.
I know it.
Republicans don't know.
I didn't see anything disastrous about it at all.
I'm just young people might just see it growing up.
Yeah, but hold on.
How can you, in your right mind, and I get, bro, and I get it.
I know what you're doing.
It's a leftist.
You're just, you're spewing the same rhetoric.
Weekend at Bernie's, what we saw for four years with Biden, you mean to tell me that were you complaining about Joe Biden and all?
I'm just genuinely curious.
Where was your shit talking for Joe Biden?
And now your party, your party of democracy, they throw that guy in the trash and then they get Kamala, which none of you voted for.
How do you feel as a Democrat all about democracy?
You didn't even pick this guy.
You didn't even pick this girl.
Did you pick her?
Did you vote for her?
Yeah, I knew I voted for her.
Because Don Biden.
All right.
Well, you voted for Biden for Biden.
On this point, on this point, Vinny, Vinny, last thing I'll say, last thing I'll say.
Vinny, right now, Donald Trump is the oldest person to ever run for office.
You all were after Biden for being the old guy.
It's your guy, Donald Trump.
And he doesn't have the stamina.
And you know what?
Are you comparing the conversation?
I'm going to say one.
I'm comparing them.
I'm not putting lipstick on a pig when I say this.
Have you ever seen a 78-year-old guy, apart from Mick Jagger, with more energy on a stage than Trump?
Seriously.
I haven't.
Oh, my gosh.
Yes, Bernie Sanders.
Have you seen Bernie Sanders?
I would include Bernie.
I would include Bernie.
Sanders.
Bernie, Mick, and Don.
Bernie.
I agree with you about Bernie Sanders.
He's older, and he's at least cognizant.
I mean, the problem with Donald Trump is that when you do watch these rallies and see how folks are leaving them now, I mean, it's amazing that he doesn't have the rallies of the same size, obsessed with the rallies.
I don't see any of that.
I don't see anything.
I don't see any of that.
All right, listen.
We've got to leave it here.
Economists Say Stop Ad Hominem 00:01:38
I want to leave you.
Final word to Tim, because it's your first time on Uncensored.
What do you think is going to happen in the next three weeks, Tim?
I honestly don't know.
I think right now with there's a perceived polling bias, according to most pollsters that favor Democrats.
Trump's up in all the battlegrounds except Wisconsin.
When I hear these conversations and y'all are talking about whether Trump is old or what Biden should or should have done if Democrats took him out, if Kamala's got word sale or whatever, the only thing I'm thinking of is I just heard that Walgreens is shutting down 1,200 locations, 7-Eleven's shutting down 400, Big Lots is in trouble, Hooters is preparing for bankruptcy.
And I'm just thinking that the average person watching this, I have to assume they just turn the volume down or turn it off because I want to know why it is that when I go to the grocery store, I go to Food Lion, my prices are up.
I want to know that when I'm buying snacks and food for my office, for my employees, prices are way up.
I want to know why everyone's having a hard time.
And I'm not hearing any of that here.
I'm just, I'm really tired of the Trump is racist or Kamala is inexperienced.
Like, I know I've got my opinions on her, but I'm trying really hard, at least for now in the next couple of weeks, to just say, can we talk about the issues at play that are proposed and stop going ad hominem?
Yeah, I completely and utterly agree with you.
Great to have you on Uncensored, Tim.
Thank you.
Majority of economists yesterday said Kamala Harris's plan is successful.
Majority of economists yesterday.
Tim, for your audience, majority of economists yesterday just said, compared to the both plans, Kamala Harris's plan will help America.
You know what?
I think we should end with what Tim said.
We should basically all agree with what he said at the end there.
That is a point with no, but none of us should disagree with the principle of what Tim said at the end.
So thank you all very much indeed for joining me.
Appreciate it.
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