Uncensored - Piers Morgan - 20241011_tupacs-brother-mopreme-shakur-on-diddy-the-murder-
Aired: 2024-10-11
Duration: 39:18


=== King of Rap and Jealousy (14:27) ===

[00:00:01]  Tupac, my brother was king of the hill, top dog, king of rap.
[00:00:06]  And with it comes a lot of jealousy.
[00:00:09]  Oh wait, maybe I said this with him because he got Tupac here.
[00:00:15]  That's pretty direct there from 50 Cent.
[00:00:17]  Yes, it was.
[00:00:19]  You know, and I know that everyone believes that Diddy was involved in both these shootings.
[00:00:24]  That is what the streets have said for 27 years.
[00:00:28]  We all were familiar with all the rumors and stuff.
[00:00:30]  I said, yeah, let me talk to him.
[00:00:32]  What did he say that day when he called you?
[00:00:33]  You know, I had my guys with me, thug life guys, and we heard what he had to say.
[00:00:38]  He basically said he ain't had nothing to do with my brother's murder.
[00:00:41]  We don't talk about things that are nonsense.
[00:00:44]  You think he was lying?
[00:00:45]  Quite possibly, and it's kind of looking that way.
[00:00:48]  Here we are 27, 28 years later.
[00:00:51]  The theory involving him is quite high on the list.
[00:00:54]  Our family, you know, we still suffer.
[00:00:56]  He was all wrapped up, but he was still shaking the bed.
[00:00:59]  He really wanted to tell me something.
[00:01:00]  I'm assuming it was something that had to do with the hit.
[00:01:03]  I get the feeling quite strongly that you don't believe Diddy.
[00:01:07]  I don't think you believe a word of him.
[00:01:09]  Seems like he got a whole bunch of power.
[00:01:12]  Like absolute power.
[00:01:14]  Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
[00:01:16]  Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
[00:01:18]  What's your message to Sean Combs?
[00:01:24]  Tupac Shakur was American hip-hop's brightest light until he was shot four times in a drive-by attack in 1996.
[00:01:31]  His death shocked the world, and Tupac's legend has only grown since his murder, along with a fever speculation about who planned it, who ordered it, and who did it.
[00:01:40]  For 27 years, it was one of America's highest profile unsolved crimes until finally a year ago, Dwayne Keefey D. Davis was charged.
[00:01:50]  He bragged about being inside the Cadillac from which the fatal shots were fired, albeit not by him, and awaits trial as the last surviving suspect.
[00:01:58]  But there are many unanswered questions and a tangled web of claims embroidering notorious figures and an infamous East Coast-West Coast gang rivalry.
[00:02:06]  Many people speculate that this web entangles P. Diddy.
[00:02:11]  Sean Combs is, of course, facing trial on a battery of charges, including sex trafficking and racketeering.
[00:02:17]  With his alleged crimes under the spotlight, members of Tupac's family have this week hired an investigator to examine the links between Diddy and the murder.
[00:02:26]  And joining me now is Tupac Shakur's brother, Mopriam.
[00:02:29]  Well, Mopriam, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
[00:02:33]  Good afternoon, good morning, good evening.
[00:02:36]  I don't know what time it is there.
[00:02:38]  It's like early evening in the UK.
[00:02:41]  Are you in LA?
[00:02:44]  Currently, currently.
[00:02:46]  Shout out to all of my people across the pond.
[00:02:50]  Well, it's great to have you here on Uncensored.
[00:02:54]  I'd be very keen to talk to you because obviously a lot has happened to P. Diddy in recent weeks.
[00:03:00]  He's now languishing in prison.
[00:03:02]  Let me start first of all, your reaction to what's happened to him.
[00:03:11]  My reaction is that it's a mess.
[00:03:16]  You know, and which, you know, I have nothing to do with.
[00:03:25]  But I wanted to make it clear that the family is pursuing an investigation into my brother's death.
[00:03:36]  Wherever the investigation leads, that's where it leads.
[00:03:40]  It is not about that guy specifically.
[00:03:44]  It's about justice for my brother.
[00:03:50]  You were Tupac's older stepbrother.
[00:03:56]  I want to, just for the benefit of viewers who may not be familiar with your brother, with what happened, with the rivalry, and obviously his subsequent murder.
[00:04:08]  Just very quickly paint me a picture of how all this happened.
[00:04:19]  Well, for many years, you know, as far as the hip-hop rap world goes, you know, Tupac, my brother was king of the hill, top dog, king of rap.
[00:04:40]  And with it comes a lot of envy, jealousy, and, you know, all types of things.
[00:04:48]  And all I can make of it is there were groups of people who were jealous and envious and full of hate.
[00:05:01]  There were two shootings involving a brother.
[00:05:04]  One, he survived, one he sadly did not survive.
[00:05:08]  There was this whole East Coast-West Coast war.
[00:05:11]  There have been books about this, documentary films about this, dramatized movies about this.
[00:05:18]  Do you think we know the truth?
[00:05:21]  You said your family's launched an investigation into what happened to your brother.
[00:05:24]  Do you think there are still a lot of unanswered questions?
[00:05:28]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:05:30]  Absolutely.
[00:05:31]  It's been an ongoing mystery for 27 years.
[00:05:40]  You know, with the arrest in Vegas, there was a break.
[00:05:43]  There's an opportunity to get to closer to the truth.
[00:05:48]  This is, you know, this is ongoing business for us.
[00:05:52]  My, you know, my mama Faney pursued an investigation early on, soon after his murder, at which nothing came of it.
[00:06:14]  So we were left with no answers.
[00:06:16]  No answers for 27 years.
[00:06:18]  Now we might have an opportunity to get some answers.
[00:06:22]  The first time that Tupac was shot, where were you and how did you hear about that?
[00:06:28]  And what was your feeling instinctively about who may have been behind it?
[00:06:38]  When Pac got shot the first time, I was in Atlanta.
[00:06:45]  I was worried about him because he did, you know, he rocked a lot of jewelry.
[00:06:52]  We like jewelry, rocked a lot of jewelry, but New York is notoriously known for being a home with a stick-up kid.
[00:06:59]  And I advised him not to, you know, be out there like that.
[00:07:05]  And so I thought that it might just have been a robbery for his possessions.
[00:07:16]  And it seems like there was more to it.
[00:07:21]  We felt that, but we also felt that Pac was safe in New York because we are from New York and we gotta had a lot of friends and allies there at the time that we felt would look out for Pac.
[00:07:34]  So, you know, we were quite confused.
[00:07:39]  We've got a clip of Tupac talking about the potential involvement of Diddy, or Puff Daddy, as he was at the time, in that shooting, that first shooting.
[00:07:48]  Let's take a look.
[00:07:50]  Think Puffy was a market issue?
[00:07:52]  Only they could answer that question.
[00:07:54]  I have my own opinion, but I wouldn't slander their name like they did, Mars.
[00:07:58]  I wouldn't say things that I knew, you know what I mean?
[00:08:01]  I believe, sir.
[00:08:02]  I do believe, sir.
[00:08:03]  I have proof things that I could say that would back up my claim, but this is not for the world to know about.
[00:08:08]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:09]  It's between me and him, and only he knows.
[00:08:13]  When you watch that, do you think he was basically saying he did think that Diddy was involved, but didn't want to say so publicly?
[00:08:27]  Park had suspicions of what had happened.
[00:08:32]  But you know, the saying, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
[00:08:36]  And we've been, you know, stuck in that position for quite some time, trying to get to a place where we can prove what actually happened.
[00:08:49]  But is your belief now that Diddy may have been involved in that first shooting?
[00:08:55]  I don't know, Pierce.
[00:08:56]  I don't know.
[00:08:57]  That's the investigation.
[00:08:58]  None of us know.
[00:09:00]  This is the best way for us to get some answers, to have an actual investigation into his murder, regardless of who was responsible or the who's that were responsible.
[00:09:13]  And each incident involved multiple people planning coordination.
[00:09:19]  And, you know, we've just been trying to get to the bottom of it for a long time.
[00:09:26]  But the reason there's so much speculation raging even today is that they were big rivals and there was a genuine, very bad feud, right?
[00:09:42]  It didn't start out that way.
[00:09:44]  It didn't start out as rivals.
[00:09:46]  That's why it's confusing.
[00:09:51]  Park was the big dog.
[00:09:53]  At one time, you know, we had plans to work with Big.
[00:10:00]  You know, Big was on one of the first outlaw records running from the police.
[00:10:07]  You know, it didn't start out that way.
[00:10:09]  That's why we were all confused when Pac got touched in New York.
[00:10:18]  You must have talked to your brother about that.
[00:10:21]  Did he confide in you?
[00:10:24]  Any more thoughts about it?
[00:10:29]  He did.
[00:10:31]  But you know how this game goes.
[00:10:34]  Until you could actually prove it, you can't hop out there and say it.
[00:10:39]  So, you know, Pac made it very clear of his suspicions, his instincts.
[00:10:48]  And we're trying to find which direction was the right direction to go in for this investigation.
[00:11:02]  Do you believe, my previous, that the two shootings were absolutely linked, that the same people were behind both?
[00:11:13]  I can't say.
[00:11:15]  I can't speak of any absolutes, Pierce.
[00:11:18]  No, is that your gut feeling?
[00:11:26]  I'm not sure.
[00:11:31]  Really?
[00:11:37]  I said, I'm not sure.
[00:11:38]  No, no, I heard you.
[00:11:39]  I just wondered whether that is really the case, or you're just reticent to say so.
[00:11:48]  I wasn't there at either incident.
[00:11:52]  So that makes it very difficult for me to be sure about anything.
[00:12:01]  Did you?
[00:12:01]  It's been 27 years, all kinds of suspicions, all kinds of, you know, but until we could actually prove something, you know, and it's hard.
[00:12:08]  I'm not a cop.
[00:12:09]  I'm not an investigative.
[00:12:11]  So we are going to the people who know how to get these answers.
[00:12:15]  50 Cent went on stage last year and said this.
[00:12:19]  Let's take a look.
[00:12:22]  I didn't want to leave you at the top because I always said one thing.
[00:12:25]  I was like, that's not the member to say something about Cuffy.
[00:12:28]  So that's what I think.
[00:12:30]  Yeah.
[00:12:31]  I'm going to start going that kind of shit.
[00:12:35]  I've been talking to the therapist to try and help me with the s I'm saying.
[00:12:39]  I said, crazy.
[00:12:45]  Oh, wait, maybe I said this because he got two part here.
[00:12:53]  I mean, that was pretty direct there from 50 Cent.
[00:12:59]  Yes, it was.
[00:13:00]  You know, yes, it was.
[00:13:02]  Fifth is from, you know, me and him actually from the same neighborhood, Southside Jamaica.
[00:13:07]  He a Queens do we from Queens and, you know, he's from New York.
[00:13:12]  So certain people are privy to information.
[00:13:16]  And we're just trying to get some confirmation on these suspicions.
[00:13:28]  You know, everybody's got a theory, you know, and we're wading through the theories.
[00:13:36]  Let me ask you a different way.
[00:13:37]  Let me ask you a different way, my friend.
[00:13:39]  Because I think I understand why you're being cautious.
[00:13:42]  I understand why you're hiding.
[00:13:44]  Not hiding, but you're using the investigation as a reason.
[00:13:47]  I'm right here.
[00:13:48]  No, no, I don't mean hiding.
[00:13:50]  I'll take back the word hiding, but why you're reticent again about potentially saying what is really on your mind.
[00:13:58]  Because you know, and I know that everyone believes that Diddy was involved in both these shootings and had a direct involvement in your brother's death.
[00:14:09]  That is what the streets have said for 27 years.
[00:14:12]  That's why 50 Cent said it.
[00:14:14]  That's why Eminem has said similar stuff.
[00:14:17]  What's interesting to me about your involvement in this is that Diddy actually called you after an LA Times article in 2008 alleging he'd been involved in your brother's death.

=== Comfortable Theories on Hiding (04:25) ===

[00:14:29]  What did he say that day when he called you?
[00:14:38]  He was in town.
[00:14:39]  He was in LA at the time.
[00:14:41]  He was on the radio.
[00:14:45]  He asked a local DJ that we all know, big boy, to reach out to me because he wanted to speak to me about something.
[00:14:59]  This is a few years after Pac's murder.
[00:15:03]  And, you know, we all were familiar with all the rumors and stuff.
[00:15:08]  I said, yeah, let me talk to him.
[00:15:10]  So he called me.
[00:15:14]  And, you know, I have my guys with me, thug life guys.
[00:15:19]  And we heard what he had to say.
[00:15:21]  He basically said he ain't have nothing to do with my brother's murder.
[00:15:25]  And I told him the truth is still yet to come out.
[00:15:29]  So we're going to see.
[00:15:31]  Here we are, 27, 28 years later.
[00:15:37]  There looks like there's some doubt in that statement.
[00:15:40]  So thus, you know, along with all the other Suspicions that people have.
[00:15:49]  You know, it was time for it to be investigated.
[00:15:52]  In a statement at the time, Diddy declared this story is a lie, the LA Times story.
[00:15:58]  Neither I nor the late notorious had any knowledge of any attack on Tupac before, during, or after it happened.
[00:16:05]  Do you think that was an honest statement?
[00:16:08]  My opinion is that I don't believe it was a hundred percent honest statement.
[00:16:19]  So, again, got to find out what's true and what's false, what's real and what's fake.
[00:16:25]  Do you think he'd be lying?
[00:16:29]  Quite possibly, and it's kind of looking that way, in my opinion.
[00:16:34]  It seems to me your opinion is that Diddy absolutely has something to do with your brother's death.
[00:16:41]  I never said that.
[00:16:44]  I never said that.
[00:16:46]  And this is why it needs to be looked into.
[00:16:51]  A lot of people have suspicions about multiple people.
[00:16:55]  Again, in both attacks involve multiple people.
[00:17:02]  Both attacks involve multiple people.
[00:17:07]  And it's about figuring out who's who.
[00:17:10]  Would you be comfortable saying that you believe Diddy had nothing to do with it?
[00:17:19]  No, I wouldn't be comfortable saying that because I don't know.
[00:17:24]  If you look at all the theories, the theory involving him is quite high on the list.
[00:17:34]  Yeah.
[00:17:34]  So, so, you know, we're going to see.
[00:17:38]  Like I told him, we're going to see.
[00:17:45]  Why do you think there is so much suspicion around Diddy's involvement in Tupac's killing?
[00:17:57]  Because of the relationship, our relationship in the early days, how the relationship soured, the climate of the hip-hop world at the time, the so-called East Coast, West Coast beef.
[00:18:18]  There's a whole lot of reasons.
[00:18:20]  And, you know, us, my brother and I, our movement, we were at the top of the game, and they were right behind us.
[00:18:33]  So, you know, heavy is the head that wears the crown.
[00:18:39]  People always want to are after the person that's on top.
[00:18:43]  So there's a lot of reasons to have these theories and suspicions, and they just need to be vetted and fully vetted and figure out what's what.

=== Heavy Crown and Assassination Fallout (03:38) ===

[00:18:54]  My family is still suffering fallout from the assassination of my brother's murder.
[00:19:01]  You know, which nobody, you know, nobody really cares about us, me, my sister, you know, my brothers, and, you know, our family, you know, we still suffer.
[00:19:11]  So, you know, the struggle continues on finding out the truth.
[00:19:16]  Where were you when you heard that your brother had been killed?
[00:19:20]  And how did you find out?
[00:19:28]  I had found out he got shot.
[00:19:32]  I was at my house in California in Palmdale.
[00:19:38]  I got a call from my homie, Big Psych, and He told me what had happened, and then I drove out to Vegas very next within hours to be with him.
[00:19:56]  Did you manage to see him before he actually died?
[00:20:02]  Yes, I got to see him before he actually passed at the hospital in Vegas.
[00:20:09]  You know, a lot of family, a lot of loved ones was there.
[00:20:14]  We proceeded to set up some security around the hospital.
[00:20:24]  And I left.
[00:20:27]  I left the, I left like, I had my newborn daughter with me, so I had to go back home and take care of her.
[00:20:40]  And by the time I got back to LA, they said that he had passed away.
[00:20:44]  So I thought he was going to make it.
[00:20:48]  He was a strong dude, but he did not.
[00:20:51]  You've suggested before that he, or you felt he was trying to say something to you before he died.
[00:21:01]  Yeah.
[00:21:02]  Yeah.
[00:21:03]  He had been in the business together since day one.
[00:21:15]  I could tell when he was really trying to express something and tell me something.
[00:21:19]  His eyes were big as saucers.
[00:21:21]  He had tubes in his mouth.
[00:21:25]  He was all wrapped up, but he was still shaking the bed.
[00:21:28]  He really wanted to tell me something, but he couldn't speak.
[00:21:34]  And yes, I often wonder what he was trying to tell me, but I don't know.
[00:21:39]  I'm assuming it was something that had to do with the hit.
[00:21:44]  But it's another one of them unanswered questions.
[00:21:48]  Have people told you directly who you think may know who they think did this?
[00:21:58]  People often want to share their suspicions and thoughts with me about it.
[00:22:07]  It's a lot to think about.
[00:22:09]  My brother was loved and admired and adored by many people, you know, because really the fans have been begging and asking for the truth.
[00:22:23]  The fans want these answers as well.
[00:22:29]  And my brother was quite prolific.

=== Twenty Years of Suspicion (15:14) ===

[00:22:33]  He dealt with a lot of different people.
[00:22:35]  He talked to people across all across all lanes of all occupations, different kinds of artists.
[00:22:50]  He touched a lot of people.
[00:22:52]  He knew a lot of people.
[00:22:53]  So a lot of people had a lot of theories.
[00:22:56]  He also pissed a lot of people off.
[00:22:58]  I'm not denying that, but, you know.
[00:23:02]  How did you feel about the arrest of Dwayne Davis last year?
[00:23:07]  I felt I was shocked that there was arrest after 27 years.
[00:23:21]  I was real curious why now, why only him?
[00:23:33]  You know, there's a lot of questions I had.
[00:23:37]  You know, Which, you know, a lot of it didn't make a lot of sense to me, being that it had been so long and these individuals had been known about for quite some time.
[00:23:54]  So, you know, I was quite confused.
[00:23:57]  This is out of Las Vegas, Las Vegas, PD.
[00:24:02]  You know, I hadn't heard from them.
[00:24:07]  I don't think anybody from the family really heard from them and had heard from them in years.
[00:24:12]  So, you know, there's some factors moving things that we didn't know about.
[00:24:19]  So it's a lot of curiosity.
[00:24:23]  Keefy D has alleged that Diddy orchestrated and paid a million dollars for the assassination of your brother.
[00:24:29]  He's made that allegation in a book, in social media interviews, in a secret police interview with the LAPD.
[00:24:37]  What do you make of that?
[00:24:40]  I've heard all these things too.
[00:24:43]  I've heard all these things too.
[00:24:46]  And now it has to be determined what's true, what's not, what's exaggeration, what's hyperbole, what's, you know, what's what?
[00:24:56]  And who all was involved, because he's the only one sitting in jail right now.
[00:25:01]  You know, by all accounts, New York and Las Vegas, groups of people were involved.
[00:25:08]  You know, three or more in each case.
[00:25:12]  So, you know, what about everybody else?
[00:25:16]  Diddy's longtime West Coast sparring partner, Suj Knight, tweeted from jail, justice for Tupac is coming.
[00:25:24]  Keefe D and now Diddy.
[00:25:27]  That was pretty unambiguous.
[00:25:33]  Yeah, like I said, Pierce, you know, it's not what you know, it's what you could prove.
[00:25:39]  So that's the point where we're at right now.
[00:25:42]  A lot of people think it's him.
[00:25:47]  A lot of people have other theories, and it all has to be vetted.
[00:25:53]  This is 27, 28 years of rumors as well.
[00:26:00]  You know what I mean?
[00:26:01]  So hopefully we'll get some justice.
[00:26:09]  It's believed that your family believe that Keefe D's nephew, Orlando Anderson, who's now dead, actually pulled the trigger to kill Diddy, that Keefe D acquired the gun, Orlando shot it, and that Diddy ordered the hit.
[00:26:28]  That is the, I believe, the belief from your family.
[00:26:32]  Is that an accurate assessment of where you all think the main suspicion should lie?
[00:26:47]  That's the theory.
[00:26:49]  That's the theory.
[00:26:51]  And if that's the theory, other moves should have been made legally before by law enforcement, which were not.
[00:27:00]  This is, if Keith was in the car, why wasn't he arrested then?
[00:27:06]  So I'm not a cop.
[00:27:08]  I'm not a detective, investigator.
[00:27:12]  You know, we just, you know, unless I see it with my own eyes, it's hard to say.
[00:27:18]  So that was a theory, and it was pursued legally.
[00:27:23]  And I think Mama Faney lost in court.
[00:27:28]  So what's that telling us?
[00:27:30]  That she's wrong.
[00:27:32]  And if she's wrong, we're left with no answers until 27 years later.
[00:27:38]  Here's another opportunity to possibly get some answers.
[00:27:42]  Diddy himself appeared on the Breakfast Club Power in April 2016 with Charlemagne the God, who asked him about a documentary that alleged he was involved in Tupac's murder.
[00:27:53]  I think we got a clip of this.
[00:27:56]  Now, it was this documentary that claimed, which we know wasn't true.
[00:27:59]  Yeah, yeah, Chad.
[00:28:00]  We don't talk about things that are nonsense.
[00:28:03]  We don't even entertain nonsense, my brother.
[00:28:05]  So we're not even going to even go there with all due respect.
[00:28:08]  But I appreciate you as a journalist asking me.
[00:28:11]  Thank you.
[00:28:11]  Because listen, seven years ago, I'd have been like, yo, did you hire somebody to kill Pac?
[00:28:14]  But no, you do it like a journalist.
[00:28:16]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:17]  No, I mean, we wouldn't even get into nonsense like that.
[00:28:19]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:28:20]  It's nonsense.
[00:28:21]  Which you never believed, by the way.
[00:28:22]  Yeah, thank you.
[00:28:24]  Do you think it's nonsense?
[00:28:30]  Yo, I we gonna see.
[00:28:37]  Just like I told him, we gonna see.
[00:28:40]  People say a lot of things that are often not true or often the deception or often desired to throw people off the trail.
[00:28:52]  So we're gonna see.
[00:28:54]  I'm not saying nothing until this investigation is over and then we'll see what it is.
[00:29:00]  But everybody knows the suspicions.
[00:29:02]  Everybody knows the theories.
[00:29:03]  He could say that all he wants to, but people, especially now, are thinking that it might be possible.
[00:29:14]  We're going to see.
[00:29:16]  I get the feeling quite strongly that you don't believe Diddy when he's denied any involvement to you.
[00:29:23]  I don't think you believe him when he says it's nonsense on the Breakfast Club interview or when he issued that statement about the LA Times cycle.
[00:29:31]  I don't think you believe a word of it.
[00:29:33]  And I think that part of you, and correct me if I'm wrong, now that Diddy is in a prison cell and is facing the full arm of the law on very serious charges, that that may be the catalyst for why you as a family have decided to really up the legal ante now.
[00:29:53]  Would that be an accurate assessment of where we are?
[00:29:57]  No, that, no.
[00:30:01]  We have nothing to do with his current situation with the sex trafficking.
[00:30:07]  I have nothing to do with none of that.
[00:30:09]  None of that.
[00:30:12]  Our issues were prior to that.
[00:30:18]  The fact is Keefy D dude got arrested.
[00:30:23]  He's a known associate of Combs.
[00:30:26]  That's just the fact.
[00:30:27]  So, you know, Stevie Wonder could see that.
[00:30:32]  Right.
[00:30:33]  Well, exactly.
[00:30:34]  That's really the point, isn't it?
[00:30:38]  It ain't our fault.
[00:30:39]  If a known associate of Sean Combs has been arrested and is facing charges of first-degree murder, that would suggest that Diddy was involved, wouldn't it?
[00:30:51]  That would suggest that it should be investigated.
[00:30:54]  Yeah.
[00:30:55]  You know what I mean?
[00:30:58]  That suggests that it should be looked into, along with all the other theories.
[00:31:06]  You know.
[00:31:08]  Would you say it's the most likely theory, Mopri?
[00:31:13]  Of all the theories you've heard?
[00:31:19]  Most likely.
[00:31:26]  Between a few theories, it's high on the list.
[00:31:34]  How do you think you're going to get to the truth?
[00:31:37]  I know you've hired a lawyer, Alex Spiro, very well-known aggressive lawyer.
[00:31:44]  Is this part of a concerted effort now to actually get to the truth?
[00:31:48]  And how do you think that will emerge?
[00:31:53]  Yes, this is a concerted effort to get to the truth of my brother's murder, wherever it may lead, wherever it may lead, you know, what they say, innocent until proven guilty.
[00:32:09]  Okay.
[00:32:10]  So we're at that point trying to prove things, trying to prove our theories, either prove them or disprove them and stop them from cluttering the information pool.
[00:32:26]  But why make the move this week?
[00:32:31]  That's what's so interesting.
[00:32:33]  We announced, Quinn Emmanuel announced a few months ago.
[00:32:41]  That's why it's interesting that it's resurfacing.
[00:32:43]  I guess it's because of Combs' current situation, but that relationship has been there for 20 years with Keith.
[00:32:53]  So, you know, it ain't, it's not new.
[00:32:59]  Since the arrest, you know, like I said, since the arrest, it's given us the opportunity to pursue the truth and answers.
[00:33:13]  What's your view of P. Diddy, of Sean Combs?
[00:33:15]  What do you think of him personally?
[00:33:20]  I don't.
[00:33:21]  I don't.
[00:33:23]  Until recently, it's just a shame.
[00:33:30]  It's just a shame.
[00:33:36]  The brother obviously has some skills and some talent, but when my brother passed away, it seems like he got a whole bunch of power, like absolute power, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
[00:33:54]  So we're going to see.
[00:34:00]  We're going to see.
[00:34:01]  Do you think he either is or became a bad person?
[00:34:12]  See, I don't have too much personal experience with him.
[00:34:17]  It's around people that I know.
[00:34:19]  I knew Biggie personally, you know what I mean?
[00:34:22]  And his interactions with them and other people is the only way I can really judge him by our conversation.
[00:34:33]  And, you know, I don't think the best of the dude, but I don't have no proof.
[00:34:40]  So we're going to see.
[00:34:42]  If he happens to watch this interview, what's your message to Sean Combs?
[00:34:46]  To you, Diddy?
[00:34:51]  Same thing it was, what, 20 years ago.
[00:34:54]  You know, we're going to see.
[00:34:57]  We're going to see.
[00:34:59]  Because he reached out to me personally to, you know, give his denial or his position.
[00:35:09]  And, you know, things look different at this point.
[00:35:12]  So we're going to see.
[00:35:15]  You don't believe those denials, do you, Mepriem?
[00:35:22]  I have my doubts.
[00:35:26]  I have my doubts.
[00:35:29]  If he did order this hit on your brother and he's now sitting in that prison cell, would you urge him to come clean?
[00:35:46]  I don't think that he will.
[00:35:49]  I wouldn't urge him to come clean because I don't think that he will.
[00:35:53]  But if the proof is there, that'll satisfy me.
[00:36:00]  If we find the truth, the proof, that satisfy me, because I don't expect he will, quote unquote, come clean.
[00:36:11]  But if he did feel that way, incline, would you like him, to be honest?
[00:36:19]  That would be great.
[00:36:20]  That would be great.
[00:36:21]  That would be great to put a lot of things to rest, explain the reasoning.
[00:36:29]  Was it fear?
[00:36:31]  Was it money?
[00:36:32]  Was it business?
[00:36:34]  It could be all types of reasons, but it would be good.
[00:36:37]  It would be good to know.
[00:36:42]  My preem, it's been a fascinating interview.
[00:36:44]  I completely understand why you are careful in the way you answer these questions.
[00:36:49]  But I also think any viewer that's watched us for the last 30-odd minutes will draw the same conclusion that I do, which is that you absolutely believe Diddy has something to do with your brother's murder, and you want the truth to prevail.
[00:37:06]  You said it, not me, Piers.
[00:37:08]  That's your opinion.
[00:37:09]  And I must be very careful.
[00:37:14]  You know, this is a sensitive topic, sensitive subjects.
[00:37:19]  And I wanted your audience and my fans across the pond to have some quality information.
[00:37:27]  A lot of people love, respect, and care for my brother and for us as Shakurs.
[00:37:34]  We are international family.
[00:37:37]  We've influenced people around the world.
[00:37:41]  And Pac wasn't a throwaway.
[00:37:45]  Pac wasn't expendable.

=== Pursuing Truth for Tupac (01:30) ===

[00:37:47]  He was important.
[00:37:47]  He was special.
[00:37:49]  He's the greatest of all time.
[00:37:53]  Even if you had issues or problems with him, he didn't deserve that.
[00:37:57]  So we will stay in pursuit of the truth.
[00:38:03]  Do you fear Diddy and what he is capable of, even if he's in a prison cell?
[00:38:11]  Me?
[00:38:12]  Yeah.
[00:38:14]  No.
[00:38:16]  I mean, I ain't Superman and shit.
[00:38:19]  Excuse my French, but this is I'm thug life outlaw immortal.
[00:38:24]  I'm from Southside, Jamaica, Queens.
[00:38:26]  I got a lot.
[00:38:27]  You know, I don't, I try to stay in my lane.
[00:38:31]  I try to stay respectful, try to stay humble.
[00:38:34]  But, you know, people, they know me.
[00:38:37]  People know me.
[00:38:37]  They know what it is.
[00:38:41]  My preem, fascinating to talk to you.
[00:38:43]  Thank you very much indeed for your time.
[00:38:47]  You as well, Mr. Morgan.
[00:38:49]  Much love to the people over there in England, London.
[00:38:54]  Well, very good accent.
[00:38:55]  And I hope we get to the truth about what happened to your brother because he is an absolute icon in music history.
[00:39:02]  And what happened to him matters.
[00:39:04]  It's a piece of history.
[00:39:05]  So I hope that you, as a family, get the answers to the questions that you have been raising.
[00:39:13]  Thank you.
[00:39:13]  You and I as well.
[00:39:15]  You and I as well.
[00:39:16]  Appreciate it.
[00:39:17]  Thank you very much.