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July 22, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Biden's Vulnerabilities and Donor Decline 00:14:30
Whatever marijuana you're smoking, I want you to share with the rest of us because you are out of your mind.
Are you guys being real?
I mean, this whole idea of, oh, Donald Trump can't be beat, he climbed like nine points after the assassination attempt and barely got to 40.
He's one of the most unpopular politicians of all time.
It'll be Michelle Obama.
Kamala has no chance.
Her pass is going to come out.
She has no credibility.
All she does is laugh and cackle.
She's the border czar.
She's never been to the border.
It's a shit show.
And I think Kamala has a lot of vulnerabilities.
Kamala was kind of the concealer in chief, and she was the one who was coming out onto the podium and saying there was nothing wrong.
If it does end up being Kamala Harris v. Donald Trump, come November, who wins?
President Biden is out, and the most unpredictable presidential race in history has taken yet another sensational turn.
For weeks, it felt like only Biden himself still believed he could beat Donald Trump in November.
Now the pressure valve has finally burst.
By choosing to remain as president, Biden has denied Kamala Harris the opportunity to campaign with the legitimacy of the overall office behind her.
He's also left many Americans asking, if Biden's unfit to run for office, well, how on earth is he fit to hold that office for a single day longer?
A reminder that just a couple of weeks ago, he said this.
Guess what?
They're trying to push me out on the race.
Well, let me say it as clearly as I can.
I'm staying in the race.
I'll beat Donald Trump.
I will beat him again in 2020.
Well, there's no doubt that he wanted to stay in the race, but in the weeks since his debate debacle, his allies, donors, and separately backers have turned against him in droves.
The mounting evidence of synonymous has become subject to daily media attention, including from many of the people who spent years denying it was real.
In short, they flipped and now they've turned the knife.
And to be perfectly clear, they did this because Joe Biden was losing.
Americans have been subjected to several years of an industrial gaslighting complex on the president's fitness for office.
And the intention was to keep it fully operational.
President Biden is absolutely fit.
We see Joe Biden up close.
We know how attuned he is to the issues, how informed he is.
And I debate with him about legislation and not debate, but discuss it with him.
He's right there.
I have spoken with the president.
He is fully coherent.
He is on top of detail.
He's sharp.
He's fit.
He's always answering questions.
I think that Joe Biden's mental acuity is very, very on.
He's one of the smartest, sharpest people I've met in D.C. There's no doubt in my mind that the president is mentally fit for office.
Joe Biden rightly says that he has grown very wise in his many decades in public office.
As it stands today, you believe that President Biden is clear, candid, and convincing.
100%.
Well, let's be clear.
These same people would still be spewing the same bullshit if there was any chance of a Biden victory.
The president didn't because the president didn't become old on the day of the CNN debate.
That's just the moment his infirmity became impossible to deny.
There was nowhere to hide in a live 90-minute broadcast, and many millions of people got to see for themselves that the cheap fakes and disinformation about his health were in fact legitimate observations all along.
Now the party campaigning on a threat to democracy has forced out a candidate who won almost 90% of the votes in his primaries.
Trump's campaigns immediately calling out Vice President Harris as complicit in a cover-up.
Kamala was in on it.
She covered up Joe's obvious mental decline.
Our president is in good shape, in good health, tireless, vibrant, and I have no doubt about the strength of the work that we have done.
But Kamala knew Joe couldn't do the job, so she did it.
Look what she got done.
A border invasion, runaway inflation, the American dream dead.
They created this mess.
They know Kamala owns this failed record.
It's an effective message, and I suspect many people will agree with it.
Nancy Pelosi, whose treachery played a key part in Biden's dauvole, rushed out a statement praising Biden as a patriotic American who's always put our country first.
Many others who've hammered nails into his political coffin have done the same.
Their cynicism is, of course, staggering, and yet it might just work.
Certainly this will blow the race wide open again.
Kamala Harris has yet to prove she can be unburdened by the has-been.
But whether it's her or somebody else, Trump will now have to focus again on his runaway campaign against an opponent many years younger than he is.
A fresh candidate may drive up turnout among Democrats.
Swing voters who saw the sheer absurdity of Biden's campaign may well be back in play.
But I think many Americans will have a hard time forgiving the party that told us the grown-ups are in charge as they, like their president, slepwalked into this historic disaster.
Well, later on the program, I'll talk to RFK Jr. on the first of this special series of interviews and debates in New York City this week.
But first, let's meet the panel.
Joining me now, the journalist and commentator Emily Austin, Vincent Ashar from the Patrick Bett David podcast, host and counter-founder of The Young Turks, Cheng Yuga, and the host of the Progressive podcast, Ring of Fire, Farron Cousins.
So welcome to all of you.
Emily Austin, let me just get your reaction.
Because I've been running columns for the New York Post for the last 18 months to two years, basically saying that Joe Biden is not fit for office.
There were so many signs, whether he was face planting on stage, whether he was falling off his bike, tumbling down the steps of Air Force One, talking complete gibberish in press conferences, you know, basically trying to speak America into war and then having the White House rein it back in 10 seconds to say, that's not what he meant to say.
It was so obvious.
And yet we were all lied to from the White House press podium, from the president himself, from his allies, his friends, all the people we just heard talking.
What do you make of the sequence of events leading now to the admission to the world he wasn't fit for office?
You know, I understand that there's this loyalty to your party that you want to maintain and you don't want to give up on your candidate.
But the American people have been seeing for the longest time, let's forget the policies for a moment, but his cognitive decline.
Now, if you take a look back at the 2020 debate and now you see what Biden's become, you can already notice the decline begin then.
But the media, the politicians, they chose to gaslight the voters, the donors, and all of the American people lying as you just saw.
No, Biden is as sharp as attack.
He's not ill.
He's mentally fit.
And now he himself is acknowledging that he can't.
And I also want to point out that this is a very rare election, at least in my lifetime.
This is the first time you have a Trump presidency to compare to a Biden presidency.
You have four and four years to look and compare and contrast, and it's a no-brainer.
Yet they chose to gaslight us over and over again.
And now we have a bigger issue that we cannot trust the Democratic Party.
We cannot trust the media because they lied to us to our face unapologetically and continue to do so.
Check Uger, you know, I know that you've not wanted Biden to continue, so I presume that you're happy he's out of the race.
But how happy are you that we now seem to be moving very quickly to a coronation of Queen Kamala, who has not had a single vote from any voters?
Yeah, I'm not happy about it at all.
So, first of all, I will give credit to Joe Biden on this.
He did let go of power.
Yes, it took a long time.
Yes, we pushed him out, and you know, I was one of the people pushing him out.
But at the end, he did the right thing, which Donald Trump would never, ever do, and we saw that he didn't do in 2020.
Now, on to Kamala Harris.
I think MSNBC has trained Democratic voters and politicians to be minions, and they're desperate for a leader.
Hold on.
Let's vet her.
There's a reason why Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Akeem Jeffries have not endorsed her.
That's actually amazing that they haven't endorsed her.
So let's actually figure out if she's the right candidate or not.
Why do we have to panic?
Democrats are always panicking.
Let's figure out who the best candidate is.
Just take a minute to do that.
And who do you think of all the names that have been mentioned, all the governors and other candidates who potentially may be involved, which now can't include people like Gavin Newsom, he's ruled himself out, and some of the other favorites.
Of the names who haven't yet committed to Kamala Harris, who's there that you think could potentially be a better option?
Look, I've always thought that you could put together an amazing team from the Democratic governors that already exist.
Of the names that haven't endorsed her yet, still Andy Bashir and Wesmore are on the table.
One won twice in Kentucky as a Democratic governor, which is amazing.
Wesmore is a dynamic governor of Maryland.
But the bottom line is, I don't have a strong opinion on who it should be other than to say, for God's sake, do an open convention and let's test them.
And whoever's the best, whoever's the strongest, will win.
That's so obvious and so logical.
We don't need to panic.
There's a lot of great options.
And you know what's going to happen if they panic right now?
They're going to pick Kamala.
Oh, my God, we have to have a leader.
They pick Kamala.
And then we see a couple of problems with Kamala.
Like, oh, nobody could have seen that coming.
Yeah, that's why you should vet them.
The number one problem we had with Biden is that we didn't test him.
Let's not make that same mistake again.
Okay, Vinny Hashanah, Donald Trump rang me on Saturday night.
I just got to New York.
I did a hit on Fox News.
He was watching it.
And I was talking about the extraordinary personal courage I felt he showed when he was shot.
I mean, to be shot as someone who was president, maybe president again, at a rally, and then to get back up when you've been taken down by your Secret Service agent and do what he did, punch the air, chart fight, fight, fight, even with blood spurting all over his face.
And so then, frankly, a week later on Saturday night, to go back on a stage, back at another rally with tens of thousands of people, most of whom you will have never met before, have no idea who they are, that shows a lot of personal courage, whatever you think of Trump.
But when I spoke to him, he was, I got to say, isolate confident.
He was chilled.
He was relaxed about it all.
He was enjoying the mayhem around the Democrats.
But he has his eye on the prize.
And I think he believes fundamentally, it doesn't matter who the Democrats put in charge, he's going to win.
Piers, I don't know.
I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
I, like Democrats like Joy Reid, believe that that was all set up.
Donald Trump set all that up.
That was fake.
Fake blood.
Fake, you know, the two gentlemen, the gentleman that died, the fireman, that's all fake.
None of it's real.
I think it's all BS.
I think it was all fake.
I'm actually being extremely facetious.
You know what it is?
I'm actually glad you started.
Let's think about this.
Listen, I'm glad you started with a joke.
I want to make the point, though, that even though I know you're joking, the reality is that they have been behaving, people like Joy Reid and others, exactly how they've accused Trump of behaving for years.
Exactly the same way.
They've told deliberate lies.
They've said black is white.
They've said the sky is blue when it's green and so on.
They've literally been lying and deliberately lying.
None of them believe it was staged, but they are happy to fuel a conspiracy theory, even if it makes them look like two-faced Hypocrites.
Piers, not surprised when it comes to the Democrats.
And let's be honest, Piers, at least we're not living in a boring time.
In the past two weeks, we've lived through an attempted coup by the killing of Donald Trump.
They tried.
And now an actual coup of Joe Biden.
Let's not get it twisted, Piers.
The night of the debate, the last presidential debate, when they saw the world saw Joe Biden for what he really was, a plan was put in motion, and that plan was get rid of Donald Trump.
We have to kill him.
Plain and simple.
This isn't a conspiracy.
Okay, Kim Cheadle just came out in front of Congress, Piers, before I got in here, and she said in front of Congress, and I quote, the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump on July 13 is the most significant operational failure of the Secret Service in decades.
She's claiming incompetence.
Piers, I'm leaning towards orchestrated negligence, okay?
Do you want us to believe that some 20-year-old kid, no social media presence, no camouflage, climbed on a roof with cameras everywhere, laid there and got shots off on the president?
Give me a break.
They know, Piers, they've been trying to destroy this guy from the beginning.
The last attempt was murder him.
That didn't work.
And now guess what they said?
Now, since Joe Biden, because if you think about it, Piers, if Trump, God forbid, is dead, they don't move on from Joe Biden.
Joe Biden, they just do what they did for COVID.
Keep him in the basement, show him five, six seconds here and there, and that's it.
Their plan failed.
Now they got to move on.
And I'm telling you, Piers, ready for this?
Come August, if Kamala's polls are trash at the DNC convention, which is in Chicago, Michelle Obama, I know Chenk was talking about popular and who's going to lift weight.
It'll be Michelle Obama.
Kamala has no chance.
Her pass is going to come out.
At 29 years old, she was having an affair with Willie Brown, who was 60 years old.
She slept away to the top.
She has no credibility.
All she does is laugh and cackle.
She's the border czar.
She's never been to the border.
It's a shit show.
And Donald Trump, God is watching Donald Trump's back.
Piers, I don't care what anybody says.
That's divine intervention.
God grabbed his head and said, nope, not today.
That's it.
Well, I got to.
Listen, the part of that I agree with wholeheartedly is something happened to save Donald Trump, which was truly miraculous, because a quarter of an inch to the other side, and that bullet goes straight through his head and kills him.
So it was an astonishing escape.
In relation to your...
Let's be friendly.
Let's call them theories.
I would say this.
I don't think it was an inside job, as some conspiracy theorists think, but I do think it was extremely odd.
And I want to bring in Farron Cousins here now.
I mean, this idea that a 20-year-old kid gets an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and just calmly strolls onto the top of a rooftop, literally 150 yards from President Trump, is so outlandish.
Secret Service Failures in Michigan 00:15:49
And when you hear the director of the Secret Service today, you know, I've got the clip.
Let me play the clip so we can hear exactly what she admits.
The assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump on July 13th is the most significant operational failure of the Secret Service in decades.
And I am keeping him and his family in my thoughts.
What I can say is that the individual was identified as suspicious.
If the detail had been past information that there was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former president out onto stage.
So you distinguish between someone who is suspicious and someone who's threatening?
Is that right?
Come on.
I mean, it just seems incredible to me, Farron, that there's the director of the Secret Service admitting they knew this person was there and might constitute some kind of threat, but they still didn't do anything.
And they allowed the president to walk out.
I spoke to Trump on Saturday, and he said the thing that bemuses him most is that quite often at public events, his detail will hold him back for 10, 15 minutes while they're just checking something out that looks a bit suspicious.
And he said, invariably, it's fine.
And then he goes back on 10, 15 minutes later than he planned to.
How can it be that you have members of the public shouting up at this guy's on the roof with a gun?
And they still allow Trump out there to get shot at.
You know, I mean, there's no doubt that there are failures all around here from the Secret Service to the local police officers that were also aware that this individual was there and did nothing about it.
But I am going to point out real quick just how Vinny there starts off mocking conspiracy theories, then immediately goes into his own conspiracy theories.
So let's not let that go overlooked.
I was being facetious.
It was a joke.
It was a joke.
As for the Secret Service, okay, as for the Secret Service, we have a Secret Service that for many years now has been dangerously understaffed.
There are about 350 agents short staffed, in spite of the fact that their budget has increased by about $1.2 billion, I think, over the last 12, 14 years.
So this agency has serious problems that do need to be addressed.
And we can even go back and look at some of the failures that they had during the Obama administration when somebody on the street was able to fire seven shots off into the White House residence.
Somebody jumped the White House fence with a knife and made it into the White House during the Obama years before the Secret Service stopped them.
So these failures are not just something that popped up within the last week.
This is something that absolutely has been going on for a long time and has not been addressed by anyone, really.
And now it's all come to a head.
And hopefully they can get things figured out, find out what the problems are with this agency.
It certainly isn't a lack of money.
It just, I don't know what they can do, but they definitely need to get on it.
And it doesn't seem like they're there yet.
Well, it seems an abject failure in just basic common sense.
I mean, you know, the first place, if I was trying to protect someone who'd been a president of the United States, the first thing I'd look at is any rooftop near the stage.
I mean, it's just like route one, isn't it?
And there was this kid lying there with his rifle and nobody checked.
Nobody was guarding it.
It's just, to me, it's completely baffling.
So I do understand why so many conspiracy theories are raging around about this, because actually it's inexplicable.
And I just, I think, I hope we get some answers.
From what I've been seeing so far of Kim Cheetle, the directors of the Secret Service, she's not already answering any questions today other than to say it's the biggest operational failure for decades.
On the bigger story now, incredibly, I mean, a week ago, you thought this story would run and run the assassination attempt.
We're now moving to Biden quitting an historic moment in American political history.
On that, Farron, what is your view about this kind of move very quickly by the hierarchy of the Democrats to anoint Kamala Harris as the nominee?
Do you think that is a healthy thing?
Or do you think, like Chenk, it's better that this runs to even a broken convention?
We have anyone who wants to put their hat in the ring does so, and then they have to earn the right to be nominee.
I agree 100% with Jenki here.
I mean, there is no reason why we need to be, you know, jumping at this and immediately, you know, within hours after Biden makes his announcement, Harris has already been anointed as the heir apparent to the Democratic Party.
What we need is, like Jenks says, more people.
We need individuals to actually do the job and get out there and start campaigning.
They don't have a ton of time, but they've got a little bit of time to do this.
And we need to get to know people.
We haven't had the convention yet.
So there is plenty of time to do it.
But to me, the bigger issue is we wouldn't even be in this situation right now if we had a real Democratic convention, which we didn't have.
We didn't have debates.
We didn't have Biden up on stage having to actually deal with any of these other Democrats that were running at the time.
If we'd had a real primary, we wouldn't be in this situation today.
Okay.
Emily, look, we are where we are with this.
I mean, how we got here has been totally chaotic.
I mean, the irony is when this began, people were bemoaning the fact this is the most boring campaign ever between two old guys duking it out for the second time.
Nobody is saying that now.
We're now into completely unprecedented times where, yes, since World War II, there have been two other presidents who've stood down, but actually never at this late stage of a race.
And the question, I guess, for the Democrats is, if you do go to a broker convention in a month, you're leaving it so tight.
You know, never mind the else, the vetting process for people who actually want to be president is a gigantic process and fraught with danger if you only have a few weeks to get that resolved.
The advantage of Kamala Harris is that she's been in situ as vice president for nearly four years.
She's been vetted properly, warts and all, good, bad, and ugly, and there's plenty of that in her back catalogue, all of those things.
She seems to me to be the obvious safe move for the party because anybody else is going to have to go through a forensic dissemination, not just by the vets, but then by the media, who have got their blood up like a bunch of sharks in the ocean.
Quite frankly, I don't think it matters who or how they replace Joe Biden because whoever it is, Trump is still going to dominate this election.
Like I said earlier, his policies work.
He's not liked personally, but America is in such a bad place that I do think American people are willing to now look at the actions that Trump is going to take as president.
Every single thing that I've personally seen that they've been using to slander Trump has either been fact checked and confirmed as false or just merely straight up a lie.
So at this point, the only person I think who stands a chance, and when I say chance, I still think they're going to lose, but they'll put up a fight, is Hillary Clinton because she's already been down this road with Donald Trump.
She knows how to campaign.
It's going to be a good show for the Democrats.
She's still going to lose, so it really doesn't matter.
You are a great wind-up, Miss Austin, because I can see both Chenk and Farron there recoiling in utter horror.
I mean, Chenk, I mean, Hillary, I'm sure, would absolutely love to do it, but she has now, along with her husband Bill, publicly endorsed Kamala Harris.
I mean, do you not think there's a merit to my argument that actually she's, I mean, she's by far the easiest choice, given she's been properly examined by the vets, by the media for a number of years now.
And also, I would put this into play.
She gets all the money, if it's her, from that's been given to Biden.
But she also has quite an interesting perspective, if you like, against Trump.
She's the former prosecutor.
He's the convicted felon.
You could see that she could turn that into quite an aggressive attack plan.
I mean, does none of that rock your boat?
Yeah.
No, look, Kamala Harris, if she wins the open convention, I'm perfectly happy to have her as the candidate.
But she hasn't won that yet.
And honestly, I got more votes than she did running for president.
So I don't know how she's been vetted.
She really hasn't.
What does she do as vice president?
I'm not talking her down.
I'm just saying we don't know nearly enough.
And I don't want to fall into the trap that you guys are obviously setting.
You guys are all Trump fans.
So you're like, yeah, pick Kamala or maybe Hillary Clinton.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
No, let's pick the strongest candidate.
I'm not a Trump fan.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Hang on, check, check.
I'm not a Trump fan.
People say to me, you want Trump to be more Trump?
No, my government.
I have known Trump.
Listen, let me set my stool.
I've known Trump nearly 20 years.
I get on very well with him personally, albeit we have a few rocky patches.
But the bottom line is, I don't have a vote in this race.
I'm a British citizen, not an American citizen.
I've never told anyone to vote for Trump.
And I'm as critical of him as anyone.
I've been incredibly critical of Trump, as well as not being afraid to praise him when I think he's right.
And for example, if you can't look at the way he responded to being shot and praise him, there's something wrong with it.
Yeah, and I praise him for that, of course, because I have eyes and ears.
And you know, I'm reasonable and I'm honest about all these things.
Wait, are you guys being real?
I mean, this whole idea of, oh, Donald Trump can't be beat, he climbed like nine points after the assassination attempt and barely got to 40.
He's one of the most unpopular politicians of all time.
This eluded to conspiracy theory that the Democrats would want him assassinated.
Are you crazy?
We want him as our opponent.
He's like the weakest candidate.
Well, it's no coincidence.
Check, Cheng, check.
Chang, it is no coincidence.
Check, come on.
On the day that Biden finally threw his white flag up was the day that there was a poll saying that Trump was now seven points ahead in Michigan.
That's a depth changer.
No, Piers, you know, wait a minute, wait a minute.
No, Piers, you know that I've been saying for a year, and I've been saying it on this program, that Joe Biden was definitely going to lose.
He had a zero chance because he was so deeply unpopular and his favorabilities were so low.
And I was trying to snap the Democratic voters and politicians out of it.
And you're welcome.
I did.
Having said that, that's not because Donald Trump was so popular.
I'm saying almost anybody could beat Donald Trump.
He's one of the three most unpopular people who have ever run for president.
The problem is that there's other two against him, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
Right, but you're missing my points.
And we'll win easily.
Well, hang on, hang on.
Hang on.
People know each other.
Vinny, the point I would make, just before I let you respond to that, is that it's all very well, but we all know the election comes down to a few swing states.
And Michigan is absolutely key.
The Democrats have to win in Michigan, really, to have any chance.
And to have a seven-point gap announced on Sunday morning, that is why I think Biden was basically told by the grandees of the party, you've got to stand aside.
That, I mean, he was going to get a midline.
But Piers, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
First of all, whatever.
Hey, Chank, whatever, because Chank, I believe you're in California.
Whatever marijuana you're smoking, I want you to share with the rest of us because you are out of your mind.
Donald Trump is an unpopular president.
Are you freaking bananas?
Have you seen the rallies?
You literally.
You're delusional.
And Tramp, Chank, you're going to go down in history when people see you, bro.
And I actually like you, Chank.
Chank, I actually like you a lot, and I'm being genuine.
I wish you would have, if you were, you're better than Kamala, you're better than Joe.
I'm being honest with you.
But Chank, you're going to go down as that guy when people see you.
That's the guy that just hates Trump.
What kind of existence is that?
I can read that.
But let's be honest.
The Democratic Party.
Hold on, Chank.
The Democratic Party.
Let's be honest.
What are you guys doing?
Look at your top picks.
Kamala Harris, Gavin the Snake Newsome, Hillary Clinton, Pete Budajudge, Gretchen Whitmer.
What do you guys have?
At least the other side, mind you, I'm not a Republican, but I am voting for Donald Trump.
Yes, at least Vivekwamaswami.
They have people that are energetic, that love this country.
The other side is ridiculous, man.
Like, what are we talking about?
Like, it's unbelievable.
By the way, I was in New York, Piers.
I was in New York with Patrick McDavid.
We were there on a little vacation.
And you think New York, you know, a lot of Democrats, you should see the amount of Donald Trump hats that I saw.
And even after the assassination attempt, after the freaking four attacks, I'm actually.
Vinny, I'm in New York and I've seen it.
And not only seen it, I've been amazed anecdotally how many people are telling me they're going to vote Trump.
Way more than I can ever remember in New York.
So, Jenk, I'm not sure you're right about this.
I think I felt in 2016 that many people were missing the Trump train.
I'd been down in middle America and I could feel it roaring away and I could feel intense dislike for Hillary Clinton.
And I got to say, I'm feeling it exactly the same again now.
And it's been, I think, a result of several things.
The debate debacle, where Trump managed to conduct himself by Trump standards in a very smart way.
He was pretty measured most of the time.
He allowed Biden to effectively hang himself on live TV.
Then the response to the assassination.
And now I think he's coming out with all guns blazing.
Pardon the analogy, given what happened to him, but literally using what happened to him to fuel the sense that he's the strong guy in the room.
That the Democrats have never looked weaker.
They've now had their leader had to stand down.
And they've got a completely, well, in Carmen Harris, if it is her, someone who, if they're just going to be a light-for-like comparison, many Americans will go, you know what?
Trump seems a stronger bet here.
And that's the problem for the Democrats.
How do you get away from the fact that when he was shot, Trump did this in an act of defiance?
And a lot of Americans went, wow, that was bullsy.
Even Mark Zuckerberg called it badass.
Yeah, Piers, I called it badass.
And in 2016, right around this time, I said Trump would win.
So what I have is apparently an ability to read numbers that is just missing in Washington, D.C.
So Joe Biden's numbers were pathetically low.
They were in the 30s.
He barely even got into the low 40s ever.
But Donald Trump's numbers are terrible as well.
They're usually hovering around the high 30s, low 40s.
These are terrible numbers.
You guys can use all the anecdotes you like.
And Vinny, brother, I got respect for you too, even though you say crazy conspiracy theories.
I get it.
We're both populists.
We want the right thing for the American people.
But you're in a bubble, brother.
Just because you love Trump and everyone you know loves Trump doesn't mean that the country does.
55% of the country hates Trump.
We just have to put a non-establishment candidate up and we'd win easily.
But of course, again, Democrats panic and go, whoever's the leader, I'm going to support.
Okay, just hold on.
If we picked someone who won in Kentucky, for example, we'd win in a crushing landslide.
The country doesn't want to vote for Trump.
It's in the numbers.
Get out of your bubble.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Benny, I'll come to you.
I want to play a clip before I come back to you.
This is a clip where Trump was at his rally in Michigan on Saturday.
Accountability for Coordinated Negligence 00:17:39
And he came up with this phrase about people attacking for wanting to attack democracy and that he himself has now taken a bullet for democracy.
Because I thought that was a really powerful moment for Trump in this whole race.
Let's take a look.
They keep saying he's a threat to democracy.
I'm saying, what the hell did I do for democracy?
Last week, I took a bullet for democracy.
What did I do against democracy?
I mean, Vinny, there are a few more powerful things for a presidential candidate to say than I took a bullet for democracy.
But he did.
I mean, I mean, Chank, let's, and Chank, with all due respect, I mean, all this in love with Trump.
It's beyond Trump, brother.
It's what his message is.
It's what he stands for, Chank, since the 90s, brother, late 80s.
He loves America.
He puts America first.
This guy, people like you that hate Trump, you never hated Trump.
You were taught, you were brainwashed to hate Donald Trump.
That Trump derangement system is real.
All this, we're in love with Trump.
I'm the same as Pierce.
I never liked Trump.
When he was on The Apprentice, Your Fighter Fire, it was annoying.
But the message and seeing what they've been trying to do to him and what they're actively trying to do is ridiculous.
And just from Piers, from everything that they've done, destroying his name, the court, the money, the fake impeachments, everything, to trying to kill him, what else is left?
And he's still up there.
He's campaigning.
He's making jokes.
And by the way, and I love this word, this democracy.
I'm sick and tired of this democracy, okay?
When you're in school, Piers, in the United States, you pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
We're a republic.
We're not a democracy.
And every time the Democrats try to put somebody up, Bernie Sanders, RFK, you guys eat your own.
So it's you guys.
You guys are ruining everything.
And Cheng, I'm going to say it again.
You should have been running.
I wish you were more popular in that sense because to hell with Kamala, to hell with all them, we need somebody that loves his country.
Piers, that's what he is.
He's a patriot.
He loves his country.
And I'm wearing this shirt, Piers, vtmerch.com.
I'm an angry patriot because we are sick and tired, Piers.
I love this country.
I fought for, listen, I served for this country, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let them take it away from us, Piers.
Damned.
Okay.
Okay.
Listen, I just hold fire for the panel for just a few minutes.
I'm going to talk now to Eric Prince.
He's a former U.S. Navy SEAL and the founder of Blackwater USA, a private military company that provided security services during the Iraq war.
Welcome to you, Eric Prince.
First of all, as we're talking, the director of the Secret Service, Kim Cheetle, is testifying, obviously, up in Congress today.
But she's apparently refusing to really answer most of the questions.
She's admitted it was the worst failing operationally by the Secret Service in many decades.
Are you surprised she's not resigned?
It's in keeping with the Biden administration that they don't expect accountability from any leader that fails doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Look, she's hiding behind the FBI investigation.
That's an easy way for her to duck and cover.
This is the Ropa Dope approach in Washington where you show interest, then stall.
She promises to get back to them with certain answers, and it's all just, it's a charade.
If there is any honor to it, she would resign.
If Congress had any power, they should at least defund her office so that she is not getting paid anymore because clearly she has failed under her leadership.
It is shown to be complete incompetence.
From a security perspective, a security professional's perspective, there are so many horrific failings that nearly led to the assassination of Donald Trump.
There were people that died because of that incompetence.
When you look at the failure of Advance to allow somebody to get set up 140 yards away from your protectee down to even once the shots started, how long it took them to get Trump off the X.
It is failure upon failure upon failure.
And like I said in a Twitter post a week ago, it's either massive incompetence or malice.
I'm still tilting towards massive incompetence.
But again, this administration doesn't fire people for completely screwing up.
It's in keeping with it.
And as your panel was talking, there is clearly differences in electoral styles.
There's one count or one party kind of promotes accountability.
One clearly for the last three and a half years does not.
I mean, you've mentioned a series of terrible errors that were made here.
Some of it is just incomprehensible, Eric.
I mean, the idea, like you said, that the nearest rooftop is just unmanned, unguarded.
They didn't even put a drone over it.
And yet you have this kid apparently used his own drones before this attack.
Then just calmly gets on the roof, has his rifle, fires off shots, even though he appears to be in the sights of the snipers who are looking at him.
He appears to definitely be in the sights of members of the public who could see him and so on and so on.
I just, I'm really struggling and have been since I heard about this, struggling to hear any account of what happened that just doesn't sound ridiculous.
Why wouldn't the first place you would try and protect be a rooftop vantage point, which is the easiest place for someone to kill him?
If any professional that went to the site doing the advance, because most executive protection is done well in the advance work before the protectee arrives.
And you make the plan and you figure out where is the likely spots the threat is going to come from.
And so anybody that stood in that podium and looked around and said, aha, that's called the sniper hotel, the obvious place someone's going to set up and take a shot.
140 yards is so close that a first-time 12 or 14-year-old deer hunter could make that shot.
This is not a long distance.
The fact that the Secret Service were looking at the guy, the Secret Service has between a 14 up to a 25 power scope on his rifle.
So he's going to be able to see whether that shooter not only has a weapon, they can tell whether he had a shave that day or not.
That's the level of detail they can see.
So for a Secret Service agent, sniper, to look through and see that, ah, he's there laying in a prone position.
He has a rifle.
Oh, and it's pointed at the presidential contender, Trump, is shocking.
I think they probably didn't fire because they weren't sure whether it was a local cop that was there in a position.
I think they had horrific command and control.
They had horrific planning, supposedly law enforcement, a SWAT team in the basement or in the ground floor of that building that the snipers took a shot from.
It is so many grievous errors.
It's a comedy of errors, except people died.
And I think people do not really appreciate how bad it would have been the day after if Donald Trump was assassinated.
World War I started because of bad diplomatic security.
The heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire assassinated and it clacked off World War I, which killed millions of people and rewrote the borders of Europe.
Imagine America if the federal government, who's supposed to be protecting Donald J. Trump, so clearly and horrifically fails and Donald Trump gets killed.
I cannot imagine the second and third order effects of how bad it would be.
I totally agree.
Yeah, and I totally agree with you.
I think we should not underestimate what could have been the repercussions from his assassination.
The other thing that really struck me as operationally so inexplicable was I remember, I think I was about 16 when Reagan got shot outside the hotel in Washington, where I know you are.
And the first thing they did, the agents around him, was they dragged him straight into the car and got him out of there, which I would assume is, again, route one protection of any president or ex-president.
But in this case, they took him down, but then they allowed him to get back up and they put one of the female agents in front of him, who was so short by comparison, it exposed his whole head and his upper body.
Now, they didn't know there weren't more shooters in the crowd.
It could have been a coordinated attack.
Surely the Secret Service's job in that scenario is to keep him away from any line of fire, not allow him to get back up where he can be shot again.
The first rule in executive protection, if something happens, is to get the protectee off the X.
The X is where the attacker has decided to get after you.
And the fact that you can even hear it in the radio chatter, where are we going?
What are we doing?
What's the plan?
It's horrific.
That should have been drilled into them so that it is autonomic.
Literally, look, the Secret Service agents, some of them were highly qualified.
Some of them clearly were not.
And, you know, when something like that happens, you get a massive dump of adrenaline into your body, which is why you train it so that it is autonomic.
If A, then B, and if B, then C.
And clearly, that had not been drilled into them.
And I don't care how undermanned they are or under-resourced or whatever the excuse is.
It doesn't take any more money to get up an hour earlier and run that drill and run it again and run it again.
That's what professionals would have demanded.
That's what accountability would have demanded.
Trust me, in my old business, if we had a team screw up that badly, they would have been all out of work.
And as a company, we would have expected to be fired.
But that's clearly not the case in the federal government, which is probably making the case for looking at this from a different perspective of why people choose the private sector versus government anytime they can.
Right.
And just finally, Eric, I mean, I don't want to make a big thing as some people are trying to do of female agents shouldn't be on the detail of the president or ex-presidents.
I think that is a sexist overview.
However, it was notable to me that there were a number of female agents who were clearly on visible view in the aftermath who didn't seem to be knowing what they were doing.
And when Trump next appeared in public, it was an all-male detail that was around him, much larger in size.
What did you read into that?
Is it unfair to target just the female agents in that position?
What's the way that they were behaving?
One in particular who was struggling to even put a gun into a holster and out of a holster, I found, you know, she's been getting particular attention on social media.
It might be completely unfair.
I don't know.
But I have to say, from my perspective watching it, it was a pretty concerning thing to watch to see supposedly the most elite trained defensive agents in the country looking so clueless.
It was embarrassing for America.
It nearly had catastrophic effects.
Again, I don't care what bathroom people use or who they sleep with.
It doesn't matter.
Can they do the job to the set standard?
As long as you focus solely on merit and mission, we have a deal.
But clearly, there was deviations.
I feel bad for those agents that were out there that were unprepared for literally the worst career moment of their life.
And now it's on full display for the world to see that they were not prepared for that mission.
That's bad on them.
That's bad on their immediate leaders.
And that's bad on the head of the Secret Service and the people that put him in that decision.
Accountability needs to be done.
It needs to be swift and severe so that these kind of mistakes are not made in the future because it is in keeping with the debacle in Afghanistan, a debacle in Yemen, having shut off the waterways, a pier in Gaza that costs $320 million that can't stay together for more than a day or two.
It's a record of failure of people that don't get fired when they screw up that badly.
I feel bad for those agents.
There's some great ones that have built a reputation of excellence in the Secret Service to be ruined.
I feel bad for them that their professional reputation of their organization has been so badly damaged in their one moment of truth.
I pray God that it is handled differently.
The reason you saw a different crew around Trump at the convention is because there's a different level of protection that happens once he is the nominee.
The Secret Service leadership before was absolutely slow rolling, minimizing, and pulling resources away, including to service Jill Biden in Pittsburgh on the exact same day.
This is the same Jill Biden who made the Marine band, who normally plays Hail to the Chief when the president walks in, produce for the first time in almost 250 years a separate bit of music to play when she entered the room.
That's the level of will to power this woman had.
I'm glad they're not running for re-election because that is a bad pair.
Eric Prince, fascinating to talk to you, especially with your perspective as an ex-Navy SEAL and the founder of Blackwater.
Thank you very much, indeed, for joining me.
Emily Austin, as we've been talking there, we've got footage of Kamala Harris arriving at the White House, basically calling Joe Biden the greatest president that's ever lived, etc.
Let's take a look.
Our president, Joe Biden, wanted to be here today.
He's feeling much better and recovering fast, and he looks forward to getting back on the road.
And I want to just say a few words about our president.
Joe Biden's legacy of accomplishment over the past three years is unmatched in modern history.
In one term, he has already, yes, you may clap.
In one term, he has already surpassed the legacy of most presidents who have served two terms in office.
Our president, Joe Biden, wanted to be.
Well, I mean, as I think was said by Her Majesty the Queen after Meghan Markle Sprague on the royal family on Oprah Winfrey, recollections may vary about the record.
Let me just go quickly to you, Farron Cousins.
I mean, Carmela Harris there at the White House, effectively now looking like the de facto leader of the Democrats, therefore, you know, sort of, I guess, the president, but not the president.
Would it not be easier and better and probably a more aggressive and successful strategy if Joe Biden just stood aside now from being the current serving president and allowed Carmela to step into that role?
Would it not give her more balance running into a battle with Trump to be the actual president?
I definitely think it would, to be perfectly honest with you.
I think if Biden were to come out and say, listen, okay, I'm actually done with everything.
You know, I'm out of here.
And she becomes president, yeah, then she's going to get a couple months on the job training under her belt, which is definitely going to help.
But at the same time, I think Joe Biden would obviously never do that.
It took so much pushing just to get him out of the race at all.
And of course, if he were to resign, the optics of that for the Democratic Party, that is basically Joe Biden admitting, I can't do this.
I got to get out of here.
And that is definitely something that they do not want to happen.
To be honest, that's exactly what he's done.
I mean, you know, everyone knew he was desperate to carry on, but he's now thrown the towel in.
And Emily Austin, I mean, the trouble is the Democrats are going to get absolutely pounded now until Election Day.
Every time Biden pops up and makes another mistake, another gaffe, another time he falls over, whatever it may be, it's all going to keep happening.
We know that.
He's not going to get any less senile just because he's decided to step down.
But every time he does, that will become a major story.
That the man who's unfit to defend his presidency for another term is still president for another few months.
I just don't think it's an act that can fly.
And I think it also makes Carmela Harris's position extremely awkward because there she is at the White House sort of acting presidential, but the real president hasn't been seen since he announced this bombshell yesterday.
Hasn't been seen or heard.
He didn't even say it in a national address.
He said it on X, which is great for Elon Musk in terms of showing how relevant and important X is as a platform.
But it's all very odd, isn't it?
It's bizarre and frightening, quite honestly, especially on a global stage, that we as a country have finally taken a step to acknowledge he's unfit to run for another election.
But if we can acknowledge that, then how can we look past the fact that he's still our president?
Five months is a very long time away.
Every 24 hours as an American feels like a year has passed given the climate right now.
How can we just pretend that this is all not the biggest issue?
You know, Chenk earlier was saying not to panic, but we should panic a little bit because we are in a bad place right now, not just domestically, but internationally, and something has to be done.
And I just want to give my final thoughts on two subjects I didn't get to interject on.
You know, I don't think it's crazy to, or I'm a conspiracy theorist, especially now just hearing Eric Prince speak, to think that this was a calculated assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
There was so much negligence that you cannot simply say this was a mistake.
The American people at that rally saw this shooter on the rooftop for a minute and 30 seconds and nobody else saw it from the Secret Service.
Come on, that's not negligence.
That is maybe coordinated negligence.
The Administrative State Runs Republicans 00:04:02
And then a second point that nobody seems to be bringing up is that I don't believe Donald Trump is as unpopular as people are making it seem.
Rather, the American people have been so afraid to be honest about how they felt about him because of the bullying and the repercussions that you face as being a Republican these days.
As a sports journalist, as a sports broadcaster, I've been told multiple times to keep my opinion to myself.
I've had colleagues whisper to me, you know, we love Trump, we're voting for him, but we can't say that.
I've had African-American NBA players tell me they love Trump.
I've had NFL players tell me they love Trump.
But God forbid they bring that to the public.
They get canceled.
So he's not as unpopular of a figure as people think.
But everyone's not aware of that.
I completely agree with that.
I just think a lot of people, I think people have found it easier since the assassination attempt to speak up in support of Trump.
And so they thought he was very bullsy because he was.
To hear Mark Zuckerberg be so praiseworthy about him was an extraordinary moment because he would rather, you know, ironically have shot himself and said anything positive about Trump before.
So I think that there's a real sea change in people's willingness to speak up.
But Cheng, there's no doubt that Trump is a very divisive and polarizing character.
He always has been.
But right now, I reckon he's licking his lips.
He's looking at the Democrats in complete disarray.
He's seeing a woman who's pretending to be president because the real ones disappeared having quit the race, but who's not the president?
And like I said, we're going to keep seeing Biden when or if he ever re-emerges, we're going to keep seeing him make mistakes and do embarrassing stuff because that's what's been happening on a weekly, almost daily basis this whole year.
And every time he does, it's going to be a massive headline.
How can the man who said he was unfit to continue in this race be fit to lead the country?
There's a real problem there, I think, in the optics.
Yeah, look, let's be honest.
The administrative state runs things.
So both for Republicans and Democrats.
I think it's unconscionable that Joe Biden didn't fire the head of the Secret Service within two days.
I mean, what are you waiting for?
She admitted it was the largest organizational failure in Secret Service history.
So if you don't get fired for that, what do you get fired for?
On the other hand, when you look at Trump's terms in office, he would say outlandish things to his staff like, let's increase the number of nuclear weapons we have tenfold, which would basically bankrupt the country.
So they would all look at each other and as soon as they left the room, they'd say, of course, we're not going to listen to what that idiot said.
And they'd ignore his orders.
That happened over and over again because he doesn't know what he's doing.
So the administrative state runs things for both Republicans and Democrats.
So that's the reality.
That's what's going to happen going forward with Biden.
And you guys are overstating Trump.
Like after the assassination attempt, there's this halo around him.
And it's understandable.
And I'm the first guy to say that Trump's actions that day was, quote, badass, right?
But having said that, guys, that doesn't affect his policies.
And Trump can't help himself.
Trump's always going to be Trump.
He's going to be back to saying crazy things.
In fact, he's already back to saying crazy things.
And he's going to say it over and over again.
And he's going to buy the whole country now.
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why he may win.
And I'm going to play a clip.
This is also from the rally on Saturday where he talked about his severe comover.
I have to just interject.
If you would turn off those cameras because I don't want this.
See the screen up there of me?
That's very severe, that comover.
That's a severe sucker.
What's with that one?
It looks okay from the other side.
But that is very severe.
I apologize.
Man.
I looked up there.
I said, whoa.
Look at that.
Wow.
That's like a work of art.
Now, here's the thing, Cheng.
Entertaining Comments vs. Coup Attempts 00:06:12
Whether you want to admit it or not, whether your little face is creaking into a little smile involuntarily, the truth about Trump, and I made this point in the column for the post, which he discussed with me on the phone, is he's kind of the mick jagger of politics.
And I'll tell you why.
It's not to do with them womanizing, although that would be a fair analogy.
It's actually to do with the fact here these guys are.
Jagger's 81, about to turn 82, I think.
Trump's about two years younger than him.
But what they really love doing more than anything else is going out in front of tens of thousands of people and putting on a show.
Trump does the show of being a politician in America better than anyone else I've ever seen.
He can hold a crowd for two hours and you may not like it and Barron may not like it and a lot of other people may not like it and you may want to all continue to abuse him and call him a new Hitler, all that kind of stuff.
But the reality is there are millions of Americans, 80 million as of the last time they got a chance to vote for him, who do like him and find him very entertaining and very funny and very authentic and very unlike any other politician out there.
And that is a problem for Democrats in how you try and take on a guy like that because they're kind of done with hearing he's the world's most awful human being.
Because they think, well, he's not, is he?
He's not as bad as Putin or President Xi or Kim Jong-un or any of these other real dictators.
He's not.
And to keep saying he is, I think is extremely self-harming for the Democrats.
All it does is make people who are not fanatically anti-Trump think, well, it's bullshit, isn't it?
He's not.
Yeah, so my smile wasn't.
Yeah, so my smile was not involuntary.
Anna and I on the Young Turks often say that Trump is one of the best insult comics in the business.
He's very entertaining and he's not honest, but he's authentic.
There's a difference.
So when he does that bit about the combo, it feels authentic and you relate to him and you empathize with him.
I think he's really good at attracting those crowds and entertaining those crowds.
And I don't think that that's a small talent when you're running for president and in politics overall.
And I think the Democrats are too shy about picking someone who's interesting, who wants to be in the press, who wants the spotlight.
So I get that Donald Trump, he's good at one thing, which is marketing.
So I understand all those things.
But nevertheless, the numbers do indicate that he's not popular.
And for good reason, guys, you might think, hey, he's entertaining or he's authentic.
But at the same time, he did try a coup attempt.
He had a fake electoral scheme where he and we just interviewed Rudy Giuliani on the Young Turks.
And he said they didn't use the normal Trump electors because half of them said they wouldn't do it because it was obviously illegal and unconstitutional.
So, you know, he might make an entertaining comment about his combo, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he tried to coup against America.
Okay.
Vinny, your thoughts about Trump.
I mean, look, Trump, he shouldn't be here.
You know, he was shot in a way that had it been a quarter of an inch closer to his head, he'd be dead.
And we would be still talking about the assassination of Donald Trump, which would have been, as I think Eric Prince rightly said, a seismic and horrific moment for the country and the world.
And the repercussions, I dread to think what they would have been.
But he survived and he showed enormous personal strength in that moment, strength that he may not have even known he had in him.
You know, he was very candid about that when I spoke to him on the phone.
And he feels like God was on his side.
And for many millions of Americans, they will like that, that he believed that God was on his side in that moment.
When you're defending him, meaning against people that really hate him, what do you say about Trump that is the real kind of reason that he resonates to you, for example?
Well, besides Pierce, being a New Yorker and being, you know, just speaking it real, besides personality, it's just the love for the country, Pierce.
It wasn't until 2016 when he said he wanted to run that the whole machine, the establishment, everybody turned on him.
I've been around him.
I've been around Barron.
I've been around that culture.
It's freaking all amazing.
The happiest people, the most beautiful women.
Look at Emily.
I don't know what it is about conservative women.
Gorgeous.
Have you been to a Democratic gathering?
Everybody's bitter and angry and just upset.
Everybody's upset.
And Pierce.
You see, if you're not, I'm going to make one comment.
If that'd been a woke woman sitting there, she'd have already reported you to human resources.
Keep becoming many.
That's the difference.
That's the difference.
Pierce.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, Pierce.
I would have been thrown out of this van.
But Pierce, there was an interview that Trump did.
This encapsulates with everything that's happening.
The guy almost got assassinated, pumping his fist, fight, fight, fight.
And then there's an hour and a half speech at the RNC.
There was an interview where he was speaking with a journalist and journalist said, Mr. President, with everything that's happening, with all the people coming after you, the state, the swamp, everybody, the world wants to know, how do you weather the storm?
And Donald Trump looked at her and he said, I am the storm.
That's who Donald Trump is.
That's why he's popular.
I'm sorry, Cheng.
That's why I'm voting for him.
And that's the last, I'm telling you guys right now, the future of this country rests on this election, plain and simple.
Okay, I've got to leave my panel there.
You've been brilliant.
Emily, to Vinny, to Chenk, to Farron.
Great to have you, Farron, for the first time.
Thank you all very much indeed for coming on.
I appreciate it.
We're joined now by the independent presidential candidate who tried to challenge Joe Biden for the Democrat nomination, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Robert, great to have you back on Uncensored again.
It feels like every time I interview you, something quite extraordinary has just happened.
And we talk about the latest development in what was supposed to be a really dull race, but has turned into this electrifying kind of soap opera, albeit with very serious consequences.
Let me just first of all talk about Joe Biden's resignation with you.
Should he stand down as president?
Democratic Process and Kamala Harris 00:07:05
Is it not incongruous for him to say, I'm not fit to continue in the race, which ends in November, but I am fit to continue as president until January?
Yeah, I don't think those were the words that he used.
I think what he is saying is that he needs all of his energy to focus on governing the country.
And that's why he's withdrawing from the race.
So, you know, I'm not going to comment on it one way or the other, but I think the die is cast.
But would it not make it easier for Kamala Harris or whoever the nominee ends up being for the Democrats, would it not make their job easier if they were able, in her case, I mean, uniquely, because she didn't want to apply to, if she was able to become president, would that not strengthen her position and improve her chances of winning?
It will definitely strengthen her position within the party.
I'm not sure that that's the best thing for the Democratic Party.
I would think that the best thing for the party is to actually have a democratic process that, you know, where people are either using ranked choice voting, which actually is democratic, or using polls, national polls, where you say who's the most likely Democrat to beat Donald Trump and actually really opening up the convention to a vote.
I think what they're going to do is they're going to have kind of a Potemkin village of democracy.
They're going to have a kind of a faux democracy where they pretend it's a democratic process, but Camela is at the end of every, you know, at the end of every pathway.
So I think it's really going to be about picking her vice president that, you know, there's going to probably be a little bit of democracy there.
But as you know, Piers, you know, I'm a lifelong Democrat.
I had to get out of the party because they would not have a democratic process.
They used, you know, the DNC, which is the elite 400 elite members of the Democratic Party, decided who was going to be president, which is President Biden.
And they rigged the rules to make sure that there was no democracy.
And I grew up in a Democratic Party that was fighting to make sure every American got the right to vote for anybody that they wanted to vote for.
And today's Democratic Party is just the opposite.
It's fighting and spending hundreds of millions of dollars to make sure that to use the courts, to use the denial of secret service protection, to use all of these other mechanisms of power to make sure that President Biden doesn't have anybody to run against.
And now Vice President Kamala Harris won't have to really deal with an authentic democracy.
What do you think happens here?
We've got four months until the election.
Do you think it's almost certain that Kamala Harris will be the nominee?
Or could you see it genuinely ending up being an open broker convention where it could be one of any number of people?
Yeah, I think it's better for the party and the country if they actually have an open convention.
But having seen what I've seen from the Democratic Party, I don't think that that is a likely outcome.
But I think it would be better for our country.
So, you know, I don't know.
I think, you know, I saw what happened during the primaries where the people who were running, like Dean Phillips and myself and Mary Ann Williamson, were just shut out.
We were told those primaries are not being held anymore.
We were told, you know, they passed a law, they passed a rule within the Democratic Party that after they saw me campaigning very, very effectively in New Hampshire, they passed a rule that any candidate who steps foot into the state of New Hampshire, that all of their votes will go for President Biden.
So those were the, you know, the audacity of the kind of new rules they were adopting to make sure that democracy did not function.
And I suspect that's the same thing that's going to happen with Camela now.
I mean, what's interesting, and I think this is probably supportive of your view of what you just expressed, a lot of the frontrunners have already endorsed her publicly.
So even if it went to an open convention, it wouldn't include the likes of Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Wishmer, and others, because they've already said they're backing Kamala Harris.
So they kind of talked themselves out of the race.
Yeah, and I think Camela has a lot of vulnerabilities that we're going to hear more and more about over the next coming, over the next hundred and I think it's 104 days.
Kamala, for one thing, Piers, Kamala was kind of the concealer in chief.
She was talking every day, according to her own recounting, to President Biden, and she was the one who was coming out onto the podium and saying there was nothing wrong, that there was no problem.
And so clearly she was either she was blind to the kind of thing that we saw that we all saw during the debate or she was trying to protect her own career by putting the country's interests secondary.
And I think that that's something that the Trump campaign is having is going to have billions of dollars to put that story on TV.
Vice President Harris was also one of the public officials in California who created these policies that gave California, made California 49th in terms of education outcome.
Number one in terms of homelessness, California, 50% of the homeless people in our country live in California.
That's not a good record to run on.
And I think she has a lot of other vulnerabilities that we're going to hear more and more about and that essentially are going to make her unelectable.
Has anything that's happened in the last three weeks from the debate to the attempted assassination, and I'll come to that separately in a moment, to Biden quitting, has any of that changed how you view your role right now?
Well, I would say that the election now is very dynamic, which offers all kinds of opportunities for me.
BlackRock Orchestrates Middle Class Wealth Drain 00:02:38
But I really, you know, I try not to predict the future because I just try not to spin stuff.
So, you know, we're doing what we've been doing from the outset, which is to fight for the American middle class, fight to end the chronic disease epidemic, fight to end the war machine, fight to end this corrupt merger of state and corporate power, talking about, and fight to get the deficit under control.
All of these issues that none of the other candidates are talking about.
I would say that the Democratic Party no longer has any authentic relationship with the American middle class.
The Democratic Party, I knew as a boy, that represented cops and firefighters and working people is gone.
And then the Republican Party has all kinds of problems with their own President Trump, who got a huge boost from the assassination attempt.
And I commend him for his courage and his leadership during that very, very challenging time.
He announced yesterday, according to the New York Post, that he is choosing between Jamie Dimon, who's the head of Morgan, and Larry Fink, who's the head of BlackRock, as his Treasury Secretary.
And this is, you know, I think people cannot take seriously his promise that he's going to drain the swamp if he actually once again brings these swamp creatures in to run our government.
BlackRock is, you know, is American middle class is not fond of BlackRock.
And they see, you know, all of the imaginations, Its role in the war in Ukraine, where it's gotten not only the contracts because it owns all the military contractors to blow up Ukraine, all the bridges and ports and schools, hospitals, but it also has the contracts to rebuild Ukraine.
And, you know, it owns the credit card companies that are bankrupting Americans that are charging 32% in all of the economic problems that we have, which are the result of this systematic strip mining of wealth from the American middle class and sending it upward to this new oligarchy of billionaires.
It's all been orchestrated by BlackRock.
And to bring them in to run the Treasury is not, I think it sends a bad signal.
I think it's going to be a vulnerability for President Trump.
Weaponization of Federal Enforcement Agencies 00:04:18
Robert, the last time you were on uncensored, we had a pretty passionate conversation about the fact you were not getting Secret Service protection.
You finally were given that protection, but obviously only after Donald Trump had been shot at a rally.
First of all, your response to getting it, albeit belatedly.
I'm very grateful for having it.
The Secret Service detail I have is very professional.
I think they've made me and my family feel very, very safe.
And so I'm very, very grateful to the Secret Service for finally.
And I think I told you at one point, Pierce, we actually had repeated conversations with the Secret Service.
And from the beginning, the Secret Service wanted to give us protection.
And they were being denied that, and they expected us to, and they were being denied that by the White House.
They were very surprised at the White House or that our, you know, DHS, Secretary of Majorca, was not allowing.
They found that they did their own assessment of me that found that I was at, quote, elevated risk.
They wanted to give it to us from the beginning.
And the detail that we've got is really wonderful.
I think, you know, what's troubling to me, and I don't want to make this about me, but we've seen this weaponization of the federal agencies, of the enforcement agencies, including the CIA, the CIA, FBI, and even the NIH and the CDC in it being used, being weaponized for political purposes.
And, you know, I just won this lawsuit against the Biden administration, Kennedy versus Biden.
I just won an injunction against the Biden administration using the FBI and the CIA and NIH and CDC to censor me, to stop the censorship.
But we've seen it across the board against President Trump, against other rivals, the president, in a way that I think should be very, very disturbing to the American people.
You know, Pierce, when my father took over the Justice Department in 1961 for his brother, who was then president, he had a meeting the first week where he called all the branch chiefs and all the division chairs and he said to them, The one rule in this Justice Department is that no, we never politicize enforcement, that we never ask the question about a defendant, are they Democrat or Republican?
We have a responsibility for making sure that the American people believe that in our country, justice is blind, that the enforcement agencies of our country are neutral politically.
And that's the only way to maintain faith of the American public in these critical institutions of democracy.
So, and I think President Biden really dropped the ball on that.
I think President Trump did too when he was running.
He was talking about locking up Hillary Clinton and appointing a special prosecutor to do that.
And it's paradoxical that when he got that now that he's on the outside, he saw those federal agencies weaponized against him in ways that I think the entire country witnessed.
But it's not good for our country.
We look like a banana republic.
Yeah, completely.
And when you saw what happened to Donald Trump a week ago and how close he came to being assassinated and the full scale of how the Secret Service had dropped the ball in protecting him with this young kid with a rifle on a rooftop just 150 yards or so from where Trump was standing.
Do you think that the Director of the Secret Service, Kim Cheetle, is currently testifying on Congress, should she have already resigned?
You know, I have a lot of questions about the coverage.
And we're hearing now, we heard this actually from President Trump.
Questions About the Shooting Coverage 00:03:49
I spoke with President Trump soon after, you know, the evening of his shooting.
And we talked about the fact that the Secret Service, he was very complimentary of his Secret Service detail and their bravery in getting up onto the stand very, very quickly and moving him off and protecting him.
But even he had some questions.
People on his staff told us that they had asked for enhanced Secret Service protection and that the DHS had denied it to them.
And they were comparing their situation to my situation.
So I think those questions need to be answered by somebody.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the Secret Service until I know more.
But I think somebody bungled it.
Somebody, obviously, it's obvious from the outcome that there was something going on here that Americans really need to know more about.
I'll say this.
I think President Trump's first reaction to the shooting was his bravery on the podium.
And then after that, at least the noises he made about unifying the country.
I was very touched by that and very hopeful about that.
And I don't think it's necessarily turned out that way.
But I think at first, and the first 10 minutes of his convention speech were very conciliatory.
And I think that's what our country needs now.
It needs to be unified.
When my uncle was shot, Pierce, in 1963, when he landed in Dallas that day, there were posters all over the city that said, and in fact, advertisements in the leading newspapers in the city that had a picture of my uncle and a wanted poster, wanted dead or alive.
And that was an emblem of this polarization that had come out of the civil rights movement, particularly at that time, and the anger at my uncle and some of the southern states.
And his shooting in many ways was a product of that boiling anger.
But after he died, our country came together in an amazing way.
And he had been trying to get the Civil Rights Act passed, the Voting Rights Act.
And immediately after his death, as a gesture to his memorial, as a memorial gesture to him, Congress, both houses of Congress got together and passed the Voting Rights Act.
And, you know, I really would have liked to see that kind of unity.
And our country became a true constitutional democracy for the first time in its history as a result of his murder.
You know, our job on earth is to bring order out of chaos and bring, you know, turn bad things into good things.
And I was hoping that the same thing would happen for our country after President Trump's, after the attempted assassination.
And, you know, I think he gave us some reason for hope at the outset.
I'm not sure if it's holding.
And I mean, I spoke to him on Saturday night and he was remarkably sanguine about what had happened to him.
And I was congratulating him that he'd gone back out within a week and was back on another stage at another rally, showing no signs of being put off at all by what had happened to him, which was extraordinary.
But he also expressed a hope in that phone call that Joe Biden will stay in the race as long as possible.
If it does end up being Kamala Harris v. Donald Trump come November, who wins?
Predicting an Unpredictable Election Race 00:01:07
You know, I never make predictions.
I stopped making predictions in 2016 after I said that President Trump could never be elected president.
So I've tried to be disciplined about not making predictions.
And also, I really try not to spin stuff.
So I'm not going to make that prediction.
But I think that right now, it seems like it's President Trump's race to lose.
But he also is capable of doing that.
So I, you know, think 100 days is our light years from now.
And so many things could change between now.
And so I wouldn't make that prediction.
The one prediction I will make is that unpredictable things will happen because it's turned into the most unpredictable race in history.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., it's brilliant to have you back on.
Please come back again when inevitably something more outlandish occurs.
God knows what it will be, but I think we can pretty well be certain something will.
And I appreciate you, as always, you coming on.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Pierce.
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