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April 24, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Why You Hurt Others 00:08:39
Well the war in Gaza has incensed communities across the world.
Many Jewish people say they don't feel safe on the streets of Western cities.
Many Muslims feel the horror facing innocent Palestinians is treated only as a second-class concern.
And that's with any emotive cause.
A lot of people with no dog in the fight have molded this crisis into a familiar battle of good versus evil, oppressors versus oppressed.
Hysterical scenes at some of America's top universities this week have generated more coverage and commentary than the war itself in the last two weeks.
Columbia says that all in-person classes are now cancelled until the end of the semester.
Arrests have been made at encampments outside NYU and Yale.
Well, one notable Jewish professor at Columbia shared a video of Muslims praying as if it was a shocking assault on US values.
Many badly informed pro-Palestine demonstrators, meanwhile, have called for an intifada and chanted, We Love Hamas.
Others believe a synchronized dancing is a long-lost secret to peace in the Middle East.
Well, these people are all spending $80,000 a year on tuition, but clearly many of them haven't found Wikipedia.
And this virtue signaling fever is now emboldening a growing number of people to confront public figures.
There's simply no connection to the war.
This is New York Mayor Eric Adams paraded for supporting genocide because he took his seat on a flight.
Yeah, f you.
You support the gas in Palestine.
There are homeless people all over New York.
You're always praying.
You don't actually care about the citizens of New York.
People cannot afford food if you keep cutting the education budget so that you can fund the police.
And this so-called performance artist has dominated timelines for days after achieving what previously seemed impossible and outpouring public sympathy for Alec Baldwin by doing this.
Putting innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin.
I'm so sorry.
Free Palestine, Alec, just one time.
And I'll leave you alone.
I'll leave you alone.
I swear.
Just say free Palestine one time.
One time.
One time.
One time, Alec.
You know he's a criminal.
You know he's a criminal.
Come on, Alec.
Just say free Palestine one time.
Israel.
Zionism.
Please say it.
One time.
Can you do me one quick favor?
So does any of this make a difference?
Are these demonstrators forcing the rich and powerful to confront and condemn the horrors of war?
Or is it a wave of self-indulgent protest just distracting us from the deadly serious realities of a grim ongoing war?
In a moment, I'll debate all that with Hassan Pika, Emily Austin, Esther Kraku, and James Barr.
But first, I'm joined by Alec Baldwin's antagonist there, who calls herself Crackhead Barney.
Well, welcome to Uncensored.
Hey, hey, Pierce!
I've been waiting for you, Pierce fucking Morgan!
I want my diaper today for you, Pierce.
Do you like it?
Not particularly, no.
Do you want to sit down?
And Pierce, can you bring me to Buckingham Palace?
I would like to meet the Queen.
What, anyway?
I'd really like to meet the Queen.
I don't think the...
Well, the Queen, if you mean Queen Camilla, she is probably tied up with royal engagements at the moment.
If you meant the Queen who died...
Get me in, Pierce!
Get me fucking in, Pierce!
I want it!
Okay, can I take you back, if I may, to what you did to Alec Baldwin?
Can you explain why you did it?
What did I do to Alec Baldwin?
Pierce, do you see the damage that Alec did to me?
Do you see the damage?
Look at my arms!
Look at my arms, Pierce!
Look at my neck!
I was maimed by a white man on Monday!
You're telling me what I did!
No, you weren't maimed by Alec Baldwin on Monday, were you?
I was maimed!
My hand is broken!
My neck is broken!
No, it's not.
Look at my legs!
My legs don't work!
Look at this!
Pierce!
Pierce, are you another white devil?
Pierce, Morgan!
Don't do this to me, Pierce!
It's too early in the morning, Pierce.
Pierce, it's too hot!
Not the wig.
Your wig's come off.
It's not a wig, Pierce.
It's my hair.
I'm a white woman.
I identify as a white woman.
Let me ask you seriously, if I may, for a moment, because you're trying to make a serious point, I presume, with Alec Baldwin.
He was getting a coffee.
You run in, you call him a killer.
I was getting a coffee, too.
Okay, but you decided to get a coffee.
I was getting a coffee.
Okay, you don't have to shout at me as well.
We can have a civilized conversation.
I want to know, seriously.
I'm very civil.
I wanted to know seriously why you did what you did and what you hope to gain by it.
Pierce.
Pierce fucking Morgan.
You're asking to be awful.
Just for the record, my name is actually just Piers Morgan.
Pierce, can you say Free Palestine for me?
Pierce, can you say Free Palestine for me?
If you stop shouting, yeah.
I want you to say it.
Yes, I'm happy to say.
Okay, I'm not going to shout.
Mr. Piers Morgan.
If you just keep quiet, I can answer your question.
Yes, I'm very happy to say.
I'm never quiet, Pierce.
Sorry, you're still talking.
I'm never quiet.
Okay, but try.
Otherwise, I can't.
You ask me to do something.
If you don't shut up, I can't give you the answer.
Oh, my God.
Okay, yeah.
Okay, I'll shut up for you.
I absolutely believe that Palestine should be free.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
And how are we going to do that, Pierce?
Give us the answers, Piers Morgan.
Give us the fucking answers.
How are we going to make Palestine free?
Yeah, if it was as simple.
How are we going to do it?
If it was as simple as me just giving a simple answer now, it would have been done by now.
It's a very complicated issue.
But let me ask you again: let me ask you again, seriously, why did you do what you did to Alec Baldwin and what did you hope to achieve?
Alec Baldwin threw.
Look at me.
Pierce, honestly.
Pierce, look at my body.
Look at this.
Look at me.
Pierce, I was maimed by a white man.
Listen, I understand you're a performative artist.
I understand you're trying to make everybody laugh.
You've made your joke about your terrible mate.
You're lashing me.
Right, okay, I'm not lashing you.
This is the third.
You're the third white man to beat me this week.
Right.
Third white man.
Yesterday, my white boyfriend beat the shit out of me.
This is the third white man.
Monday was Alec.
The second day it was another white man.
Third day, Piers Morgan is beating me up on international t-man.
Oh my God.
Pierce, you're hurting me.
Pierce, you're really hurting me right now.
You see, here's my problem.
Here's my problem with your performative art, crackhead.
I don't see what good you're doing the cause of Palestine.
All you're doing is turning the whole war into a joke.
You're really hurting me.
This war is not a joke.
Well, why are you making it such a mockery?
Explain to me.
How am I making a mockery?
How?
Because you're making it all about you.
You're making it all about you and your silly pranks, and you're trying to have fun.
And actually, behind all this is a very serious war going on.
I'm always furious.
I've always furious.
You're hurting me right now, Pierce.
Right.
Like, you're hurting Pop and you can.
Are you going to explain?
Are you going to explain why you did what you did to Alec Baldwin or not?
I got hurt.
I'm a victim.
I'm a victim, Pierce.
Like a fucking Zionist, I'm a victim.
All of you.
You're hurting me.
Another white man.
Okay, you know, you see, the trouble with this, the trouble with this performative art is it's not funny.
You've got one gag that you've been maimed by Baldwin, which you haven't.
What you haven't explained to the audience, and I've given you the chance repeatedly, is why you did what you did and why you think what you're doing now does anything but make a mockery of all these people dying in Gaza.
Because that's what you're doing.
That's that.
Look, Pierce, you're trying to spin this into some bullshit.
I know exactly what you're doing, Pierce.
No, no, no.
You are.
You're.
You're fucking annoying.
You eat tea and crumpets.
You have your pinky in the fucking air.
You salute the queen.
Fuck the crown.
Fuck Bucky Eye Powell.
Now I'm getting angry.
Because Pierce doesn't watch.
Oh, now you're getting angry.
You set people up for shit.
Now you're getting angry.
Yeah, you set people up for shit.
I know exactly what you do, Pierce.
I know exactly because I do it too, Pierce.
And I have a fucking audience, Pierce.
You think you could set me up, Pierce?
Jabe, listen, Pierce.
The Apartheid Argument 00:15:42
I think, you know what I think?
I think you're...
I think you're frankly...
I think, honestly, Crackhead, you are honestly pathetic.
This is one of the most pathetic things I've ever had to endure.
You're calling me a crackhead.
Long, illustrious history of uncensored.
Black woman a crackhead.
That's your name.
That's your name on your Twitter feed.
You call yourself yourself, Crackhead.
Pierce, am I a bigger bitch than Megan Markle?
I'm going to give you a final chance.
Are you going to actually answer the question of why you did what you did to other people?
No, Pierce, Pierce, I have a question.
Am I a bigger bitch than Megan Markle?
Because, you know, Bucky Eye Bowser's complaining about the black girl, and I want to be that black girl.
Okay.
I want to be that black girl.
You know what, Crackhead?
I'll try to give you a hearing.
You're not going to take it seriously.
No, I actually think you're doing.
I'm going to try anything.
You may want to shout.
Yeah, you may want to shout and scream at Ali Baldwin.
All right.
I think we've heard enough of Crackhead, to be honest with you.
All right, let's bring in my panel.
Streamer Hassan Piker, journalist Emily Austin, uncensored contributor, Esther Kraku, and podcaster James Paul.
Well, Emily, I mean, on one level, I guess it was quite funny, but on another level, I didn't like what she did to Ali Balbin.
I've got no truck for Alec Baldwin whatsoever.
And I think with this case that he's got hanging over him, I hope that justice is served because ultimately he did fire the gun that killed that poor woman and has been on some kind of weird PR tour ever since.
But I don't like to see any public figure, whether it's Eric Adams, the mayor, on a plane, or Alec Baldwin getting a coffee, harangued and harassed in that manner.
Now, I tried to conduct a serious interview.
She obviously wasn't interested in doing that, wanted to turn the whole thing into a foul-mouth rant and joke and performative thing.
Fine.
That's entirely her right to do it.
But what did you think of these harassings, not just by her, but by other people, of public figures?
You tried to conduct a serious interview with Crackhead Barbie?
Well, no, I was asking her about a viral video of her harassing Alec Baldwin, which I do actually think is a serious thing.
I do actually think public figures should not be harassed in that manner.
I've had a bit of it myself, and I think it crosses a line, right?
And Ali Baldwin, as far as I'm aware, has not said anything particularly sensational about the war at all.
So why she is harassing him in the street in the way that she did, I think is worthy of examination.
Now, as it turned out, she had no interest in having a serious conversation.
Okay, so we've cut it off.
But I don't think I should be blamed for getting on someone who is literally at the center of a quite big news story in America for harassing a famous star.
You, Hassan?
It was for clout.
She was doing it for clout.
That's why she went on the show also for clout.
Which you were correct on pointing out that using the ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza and what's happening to the Palestinian people as a vehicle to create more social clout for yourself, social capital for yourself, is pretty disingenuous.
I have to jump in though, though, because this is not what everybody's doing.
Isn't that what the show is also doing?
Because you're talking about create political clouts and create ways to get clicks, to make money.
Listen, let's not all be disingenuous.
The whole organization and actually, Krakhead Bonnie isn't that different to you.
And Krakhead Bonnie said it herself.
She said, We're no different.
And I kind of agree with Krakhead Bonnie.
I didn't think I'd say that.
Do you think there's any correlation between what she just did?
Someone screaming over someone and not letting them speak.
There's definitely a correlation.
Well, you think that I've treated you like she treated her?
No, I'm just saying that I think that actually you aren't that different.
You're trying to do this.
I'm sort of coming back.
You're just doing it in a different way.
No, it's a preposterous suggestion.
I do not do what she does, right?
But Hassan, here's the point I would make to you.
A lot of people think a lot of these protesters at universities in America are performative.
The ones who are chanting their support for Hamas, the ones who are chanting about Intifada and pretending it's not about a violent uprising.
I mean, do you accept a lot of that is not only performative, but public demonstration of support for terrorism?
Absolutely not.
I don't think that, I mean, all protests are technically performative, obviously, but there's a very clear-cut goal for the group of students at Columbia and many other universities.
I was in Melbourne not that long ago, and I attended a Palestinian protest there, a Palestinian rally there, and the students there were also demanding the exact same thing: that they divest, their colleges divest from a lot of the companies that are aligned with the state of Israel, a lot of the companies that are directly involved in operations in the West Bank,
a lot of the companies that are playing a role in the regular maintenance of the apartheid regime of Israel and helping Israel conduct an ethnic cleansing campaign.
That is the ultimate goal.
That is why they're trying to very clearly cause a little bit of a disruption and engage in the second thing you can do.
Are you comfortable with the ones who are seen chanting support for Hamas or chanting about Intifada?
I am perfectly comfortable with people chanting about the Intifada.
As far as Hamas thing goes, any kind of protest is always going to have a litany of random people, but ultimately it doesn't really matter.
You have to look at the actual tangible goals that the protest movement is stating they are interested in.
And I think that those goals, and I think you will agree with me on this, Beers, I think those goals are pretty valid overall.
I think that they want to, one, recenter the attention to the genocide that is ongoing in Gaza, and two, demand that their tuition dollars do not go to operations in Israel.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a campus.
There is going to be a sister campus that is being built in Tel Aviv right now for Columbia University.
This means that Columbia University, which once housed the likes of the late, great Edward Saeed and many others, and that currently has many Palestinian students who pay tuition for projects such as this one, will not be able to go to that sister campus.
I find that abhorrent, but it's everyday existence in Israel.
Let me bring in Emily.
You've been listening to all this.
Your response.
With all due respect, Hassan, why do you feel that Columbia or any college for that matter owes you to divest from Israel?
Why do you think your opinion is correct?
Because so far, I heard the classic buzzwords: apartheid, discriminatory, ethnic cleansing, and genocide, which is funny because it's all the exact opposite.
So, if I may ask you, what about Israel is apartheid?
You also just said the students in Israel, the campus in Israel, will not allow Palestinians to join.
Are you confused, or do you know nothing about the country of Israel?
Because let me remind you: Jews are not allowed in the West Bank and Gaza.
However, Arabs have full Israeli citizenship, have the rights, are members of the Knesset, which is the equivalent of, you can think of Congress, and even prosecuted a former prime minister, Ahud Omer, an Arab judge.
So what apartheid exactly are you speaking about?
What genocide?
What ethnic cleansing?
And secondly, how dare you.
How dare you say it's okay to talk about an intifada?
Let me remind you, the intifada last time it happened in Israel consisted of thousands of people dying in bus bombings.
So are you saying that you support terrorism and killing innocent people?
Well, intifada simply just means revolution.
And I'm an American.
And in 1776, violence did one of those.
And it was pretty fucking good.
Yeah.
What do you think?
The American people.
We also bombed Hiroshima.
Don't.
Yeah, I know.
And that was also unjust and unimaginably cruel.
But of course, the Israel defender is also defending civilians and killing them by the hundreds of thousands.
Now let's say it's your narrative it's justified.
But when it goes against the refocus the conversation to the points that you made.
Let's refocus the conversation.
Just to remind everybody, I'm actually moderating this, but that's an interesting point that Emily just raised, Hassan.
It does seem that you're very selective about the violence that you support.
That when you support it, it's justified.
When other people use things in a violent way that you don't support, it's unjustified.
Seems like it's all skewed to what Hassan Paiki thinks.
Well, not necessarily just what I think.
I think that there are obvious markers, obvious boundaries.
I don't think violence against civilians is justified.
I have talked about October 7 on this very same show saying that it was a tragedy.
It was atrocities that occurred on October 7, specifically.
When you target civilians in any capacity, I think that that is unacceptable.
However, this does not mean that violence will not occur in many circumstances.
Violence has occurred in every single revolutionary action, many good revolutionary actions.
Obviously, America bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki with an atom bomb.
That was not a very good moment.
Was what Hamas did on October the 7th was not a very good moment for human civilization at all.
Was what Hamas did on October the 7th?
Was what Hamas did on October the 7th an example of what you would call a justified revolution?
I don't look at every single act of violence.
I look at the systems of oppression.
Why are you avoiding October the 7th?
You do it too.
No, I don't.
I'm not avoiding it.
I've talked about it a million times already.
Let me ask you one more time.
It's not where we're at.
Let me just ask you directly one more time.
Let me ask you one more time.
Do you believe what happened on October the 7th was a justified act of revolution?
Yes or no?
I do not.
And I do think that...
Oh, wait, hold on.
Let me clarify.
Let me clarify something very important here.
Events that unfolded on October 7th were atrocities.
That much is clear.
Those atrocities could have been avoided if Israel was not an apartheid regime.
Israel has been an apartheid regime.
Can you answer how Israel is an apartheid regime?
I'll keep repeating that.
No, you can't just chime in.
You can't just chime in.
You ask me a question.
You want it to ask me a question.
I'm going to give you an answer.
Because you're repeating.
Israel has been an apartheid regime since its inception.
Until 1967, Israel was an apartheid regime for the Palestinian citizens of Israel, the Arabs, as you called them.
There was a two-tier criminal justice system.
They were subjected to the military court processes and not the civil court processes until 1967.
After 1967, they got citizenship.
There are obviously still many different social issues that pertain to the Palestinian citizens of Israel, the Arabs that are living in Israel, those who are not Jewish, of course.
However, Israel currently is occupying the West Bank.
There are more than 2 million Palestinians that live in the West Bank.
Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank.
There are checkpoints.
There are license plates that restrict Palestinian travel.
The Israeli operations in the West Bank have destroyed Palestinian statehood.
Now, of course, all of this is readily available for those who want to learn about it, yourself included.
I hope you look it up.
But Selim is an Israeli human rights organization which declared Israel to be an apartheid regime in 2021 in the April of 2021.
Amnesty International declared Israel to be an apartheid regime.
Let me move on to the next one.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on, hang on.
I just want to bring in our two British panelists here.
But just finally, just to clarify, Hassan, I can't quite work out whether you said you do think October the 7th was an unjustified act of revolution or whether you changed your mind.
So can you clarify?
I think that violent means of maintaining an apartheid is inevitably going to yield violent retaliation.
Was it justified?
Was it justified?
Civilian deaths are never justified.
You know what, Hassan?
Hang on, Emily.
Hang on, Emily.
You look her scolder, Poland's mother in the eyes.
No, you look this person's mother in the eyes and you tell him that this was justified.
You tell him his arm being blown off and being held in captivity for 200 years.
I do love that Israel defending has no capacity.
If you're not going to respect me and listen to what I have to say, which, by the way, of course you don't have to.
Well, if you talk over each other, nobody can hear you.
I just want to say that.
I mean, I think it's not going to give Hassan.
I don't think it's the entire world.
No, it is you.
How many worlds are you doing?
Emily, please.
Let me handle this, Emily.
Hassan, just before I come to the two people who are with me here, I just need some clarity here because it seems like you're dancing around whether you think October the 7th was justified.
Why are you doing this?
Why are we doing this back and forth masturbation?
I've already given you my fucking point.
I'm sick and tired of repeating it over and over again.
Emily sit next to me.
Emily, an IDF dog tag.
Please stop talking.
You're not going to be afraid of demon next to me, wearing an IDF dog tag, if she actually thinks Israel's actions are justified.
Bring that home.
Do you see that?
To bring the hostages home.
The hostages do not.
It doesn't matter if you know.
Someone from Gaza.
I'm going to give you two.
I'm going to let you two calm down.
We cannot hear you when you talk over each other.
Every time recently, I have someone from both sides on, it goes like this.
I'm wearing this rusty necklace.
Please, can you listen to me, Emily?
Can you stop doing this to each other, please?
Nobody can understand a word either of you saying.
And let me come to Esther and James here.
This is one of my problems.
No, I want to hear if Emily condemns you.
No, no, no.
Hassan, you will please let me moderate the debate.
I don't condemn the IDF.
I've got two panelists here who have not had a word.
Because you're a fucking terrorist.
Please stop talking.
And I think you're a terrorist.
And I think you're a terrorist.
Okay, well, I'm not the one wearing.
Because until the hostages are holding, don't expect the war to be over.
Bring them over the hostages.
I love how you're condemning New York.
You're screaming at Benjamin Nenyal.
Benjamin Nenyalt is the hostage of the people.
You are exposing.
You know, Benjamin Nenyalu killed more hostages than what you're talking about.
And not only oppressing the Palestinian people, but for spreading terrorism.
I don't see your outrage at Hamas.
Israel gave Gaza.
I would like to, please.
And if Hamas has turned into the city, Emily and Hassan, Hamas to the other planet.
Can you please stop talking, both of you, and let the other two panelists have a sign.
Give them some courtesy.
Please, some courtesy for your co-panelists here.
Now, Esther, this is one of the problems I have with this whole debate, is that increasingly, it just descends into a screaming match between pro-Palestinians and pro-Israelis.
And the biggest losers are the biggest victims of this war.
33,000 dead Palestinians, over 1,500 dead Israelis.
These are the biggest victims of this because you're shouting at each other and nothing is getting...
You're completely...
Forget having no courtesy for us.
You're completely disrespecting actual victims of this conflict, which, by the way, didn't happen in a vacuum.
Disrespecting Actual Victims 00:14:26
And I think that's the most important thing to say about this.
None of this happened in a vacuum.
Of course, October the 7th was an atrocity and it was completely unjustified.
There was no justification for butchering people in the way that they did.
But it didn't happen in a vacuum.
A lot of the people that live in Gaza weren't even born at the time that Hamas came over, came in power.
So I really just, I despise this, you're a terrorist sympathizer, you're a genocide supporter, all of this, when really the people that we should be talking about deserve better.
Okay, James, on the wider point of these protests.
I couldn't get to that part because I wanted to describe what the apartheid is and Emily cut in immediately to chirp about some random shit.
Okay, you were both abusing each other.
It was very ununderstood.
Let me ask James.
James, on the protests.
On the protests, I believe in the right to protest.
That's an absolute bedrock of any democracy.
But I don't believe in the right to support terror groups publicly or to chant about support for Hamas or to chant about Intifada, which is a violent uprising.
Where's the line for you with these?
I agree.
I think we have to condemn what Hamas did.
And I don't think the words that have been used so far have been strong enough.
I mean, it was the worst thing we've seen in a very long time.
It was disgusting, appalling, awful for everyone involved.
I also have a lot of sympathy, if not, I can't think of a bigger word, for the people of Gaza.
It's awful.
And I will agree with you.
I do want a free Palestine.
And I also want a free and successful Israel, but I don't want innocent people murdered.
So yeah, you can't go to a protest and start shouting about support for Hamas.
That's insane.
Isn't it ironic that something like this has become a haven for like the mentally unwell?
You're talking about something as serious as a conflict in Israel and Gaza.
And for some reason, you have really uneducated people that are clearly, 20 years ago would have been in an asylum supporting this openly, not even knowing the conflict, not even knowing the context of what they're supporting.
And for some reason, we even give it airtime.
That's what upsets me.
These people don't deserve airtime.
Everyone is so triggered on both sides, on all sides, and rightly so, because a lot of terrible stuff has happened.
So that's where the emotion is coming from.
But really, I think we all want the same thing, and that is for innocent people to not be murdered or slain in the streets.
Right.
I mean, look, Hassan.
Hang on, Emily, please.
I'll come to you.
Let me just ask Hassan.
When you and Emily go at each other like you just did, nobody wins.
I mean, no one can really understand a word you're saying because you're shouting over each other.
You end up just calling each other terrorists.
There's no sensible dialogue here.
There's no constructive conversation.
It's just two.
But that could be opposed sides abusing each other.
Do you understand that?
Yeah, listen, peers, okay?
This is going to always be a very heated discussion.
Okay.
Having a conversation about how heated this discussion is is utterly unproductive.
Every single moment that we use on air, not talking about every single, every single university building being desecrated, destroyed.
The fact that we're having this conversation in the eve of hundreds of mass graves being unearthed right now in many different parts of Gaza around hospitals that Israel had laid siege to is disgusting.
I agree.
I came on here, as I have done last time as well, and as I will probably do in the future as well, with one simple goal in mind, which is to address all of the misinformation that surrounds stuff like this.
As far as the crackhead Barbie thing goes, yeah, she's a random TikTok influencer who gives a shit about what she has to say.
She's obviously doing it for clout.
But the students over at Columbia, okay, the students that I have talked to at the Columbia University Apartheid Divest group, the students that I've talked to from Jewish Voice for Peace.
All right, Emily, let me just ask you the same thing I asked Hassan.
When you guys scream at each other and call each other terrorists, it doesn't obviously achieve anything other than it becomes unintelligible to the audience.
You know, is there not a better way we can have this conversation?
Funnily enough.
Correct.
And funnily enough, I have the same exact answer as Hassan.
My job here is to make sure that I'm debunking false narratives, that Hassan is clearly spewing.
My job here is to call out hypocrisy.
And I just saw another one where he's saying that crackhead Barney, whoever the hell that girl was, is a lunatic, but Aaron Bushnell, who lights himself on fire, is a hero.
You can't pick and choose whatever fits your narrative.
And I keep on repeating that over and over again because the Palestinian movement will literally just take what they can get, spew all of the truth into their false narrative, spread misinformation, and then you say that we're the liars.
You tell me I'm wearing an IDF dog tag.
I'm wearing a bring them home for the hostages that you...
No, it says bring them home.
You're using the hostages as a simple political tool to make propaganda in the West is quite disgusting.
Those protests that are happening in Israel right now.
And those protests, you are using humans in captivity as a political.
It's so obvious.
Why, Hassan, why are you dehumanizing the hostages?
Because I have no problem admitting the Palestinians deserve better.
I feel terrible.
You're using them as a political political.
I can't say that.
If you cared about the hostages, you would be in the market.
Let me bring in James.
Let me bring in James, please.
Please, let me bring in James.
I agree with both of you.
Sorry, can you please, when I say stop talking, please stop talking?
We've got four people here.
If anyone is using hostages, surely it's Hamas, Hassan.
How can you say that?
How can you use that argument?
That's a crazy thing to say.
It's Hamas.
You've taken these people from their homes.
Tens of thousands of millions of people.
There are currently tens of thousands of Israeli citizens right now in the streets of Israel, in the streets of Tel Aviv, outside of Benjamin Netyahu's house, protesting every single day.
What are they protesting?
They're protesting for Benjamin Netanyahu to facilitate a ceasefire with Hamas so that they can actually bring the hostages home.
That is precisely the Nahoe.
Oh, yeah, if it's using family members of the hostages, who is using this?
If anyone on this panel was being even a little bit honest, they would recognize the reality of that.
But listen, just listen.
You didn't listen to my question.
Listen to what I'm saying, and you will understand perhaps what I'm trying to imply.
Utilizing the hostages.
Yeah, I am being patronizing.
I don't know who the fuck you are, and you're over here chirping all the way from fucking London about Palestine and doing a both sides are fucking fine type bullshit.
You're talking about how you want to fucking free Palestine, but also simultaneously, you know, both sides got a lot going on.
Shut the fuck up.
You don't know anything, okay?
I don't give a shit about what your perception is.
Yeah, Hassan doesn't like what you have to say, so you're wrong.
It's not, it's Hassan's way or the highway.
I mean, you are.
You are, you are.
There is no both sides on a genocide.
Is there a both sides on a genocide?
There is no both sides.
The thing is, it's interesting you should mention the hostages.
They want a Jewish genocide, but that's okay.
But the Jewish genocide is awesome.
Talking about the well-being of the hostages of if you're talking about the well-being of the hostages, what sense did it make for the IDF to flatten about 70% of Gaza?
Because I completely agree, bring the hostages home.
If you look at Gaza, the topography of Gaza right now, it looks like a pancake.
So I'm sorry, this whole argument of Hamas using them as human tools, fine, but the ITF has also been using it to continue that campaign.
If you were told that if, God forbid, if your relative was one of the hostages and you saw what's happening right now, and I met someone whose mother is a hostage, and he said he didn't want his mother and her being taken to be used in the name of violence, right now he's sitting at home wondering, okay, what is the logic of trying to bring my mother home when you flattened Gaza?
Please explain that to us.
So, can I please?
Because you might very well pull those hostages from the state.
Let Emily respond to that.
Everyone wants to criticize the IDF's response, but nobody wants to tell me what should Israel be doing to retaliate October 7th, eradicate Hamas from preventing another October 7th, and bring the hostages to the city.
I have an idea.
Do not flatten Gaza and potentially pull your own hostages up from under the rubble like have been done with thousands of Palestinians.
That's a good idea.
Have you found any of them?
You don't have an answer.
That is the answer.
Don't kill your own hostages.
But you're quick to condemn the IDF.
How about an answer?
How about not killing the hostages?
Very interesting.
I have an answer.
Thank you for proving my point.
It's called the dissolution of the apartheid regime.
That's what it's called.
Dissolve the apartheid regime.
So what would you like to see happen, Hassan?
Breathing room.
Do you not understand the English language?
Dissolve the apartheid regime.
You need a Xanax, first of all.
You need a Xanax.
Okay, so should Israel do to arrest the people?
What Palestinians have been ruthlessly slaughtered by the Israeli people?
Should Israel give land so that it can be seen when someone is defending Gaza?
Is that what you'd like to see?
Another terrorist haven launching rockets all day instead of turning it to Singapore?
Because that's what they did in 2005.
Holy shit.
What is Singapore?
Millions of dollars in aid is the one that's building tunnels.
Is that what you like to lose?
I don't know how to do it.
Sorry, Emily.
Is the West Bank supposed to be Singapore?
What are you talking about?
Is the West Bank supposed to be a portion of the portal?
The West Bank has a port.
They can import and export.
Israel gave them a great piece of land.
They received billions of dollars in aid, not only from the U.S. Are you mad?
They had a chance to rebuild, but they spent the last 15 plus years crying that they don't have enough land because there is never enough land for them instead of rebuilding.
But that's okay.
Build terrorist tunnels.
Don't build hotels and don't rebuild civilization.
Just build on terrorist tunnels.
Palestinians.
To have a nation-state that they deserve by international law since the inception of the Israeli nation-state.
What you are saying is insane to me.
The fact that you brought up the last 15 years as Palestinians crying is disgusting.
Oh, I have one more question.
A disgusting little monster.
One more question.
Who thinks?
One more question.
Not offering contiguity to the Palestinians in the form of a state which is under international law is just simply Palestinian solution.
I have one more question.
This West Bank doesn't want a two-state solution.
They want a one-state solution that eradicates the Israelis, which is not an option.
Fine.
This West Bank, Singapore, what place does the settlements play in that?
Please paint a picture of how the West Bank of Singapore or whatever, Singapore of the West Bank.
How does this illegal settlement fit to the Safaz?
I think you're completely missing.
You're missing the picture.
Just explain to me how the settlements fit into that.
I'm explaining it.
Okay, I'm going to say it.
The picture is they got a great piece of land to turn into society.
Instead of ruling them civilized society, Hamas Israel gave the land to Gaza.
They went to the middle of the morning.
They removed Israel to the land.
It's not Israel's land to give.
It is not Israel's land to give.
There are no Jews or Israelis.
There are no settlements in the world.
The West Palestinian.
I'm speaking about Gaza.
No, I'm talking about West Bank because I was interested in the state of the world.
I'm showing you.
I'm telling you that if Israel pulls out completely from the West Bank, if I'm speaking, if Israel pulls out from the West Bank, you can bet your ass it turns into the next Gaza.
The world does not need two Gazas because one Gaza has already caused enough damage.
If, however, Gaza decides to demand some hypothetical Israel has to do a genocide because if Israel doesn't do a genocide, then the Gaza is not a problem.
It's not a genocide.
The only genocide is the Hamas Charter that is not actually defensive genocide.
You know, it's interesting the word genocide is not a problem.
Hang on.
It's interesting the word has to be.
Hang on.
I would love to get a word in, please.
Interesting the word genocide, because I've listened to all this fractures debate, everyone talking over each other.
The truth is that actually only one side has publicly said that they wish to pursue a genocide, and that is Hamas.
Hamas, after October the 7th, through their official spokesman on camera, said they wanted to do it again and again and again.
That is the purest articulation of a genocide imaginable.
And the one thing I never hear from the pro-Palestinian side is what Israel is.
No, don't interrupt me.
I'm not asking you a question yet.
One Hamas guy.
Sorry, I need to ask you being a ridiculous person.
You're being a ridiculous person.
I'm just saying, nobody ever tells you.
So how many Israeli officials, even on your show, have said we should keep doing what we have been doing to Gaza over and over again?
How does that not register in the same genocidal intent?
If you think what that dude was saying, which was, by the way, ridiculous, what he was saying, the Hamas official was saying, is that we're going to do October 7th over and over again.
But we are justified in doing it over and over again.
I don't, yes, I find that to be abhorrent.
However, what you fail to recognize is that's the genocidal intent, but not Amalek.
That's the genocidal intent, but not saying we are fighting human animals, and that's why we have to cut off their food, their water, and their electricity.
That was Defense Minister Yoev Galat.
There we go with the lies again.
You're saying Israel cuts off their electricity.
They don't even provide their electricity.
You're saying they cut off their water.
Israeli politicians lies on national television.
I'm talking about the people who are not.
Hang on.
Some of the comments.
There's no doubt, Emily.
Some of the comments.
Some of the Israel is information.
Karen is pointless.
I swear to God.
This is pointless.
We're getting nowhere.
Thank you.
Did Yoev Galat not say that?
Israel's cutting off electricity, water, and aid.
Did Defense Minister Yoev Galat say we are fighting human animals or not?
Answer that question.
Did Defense Minister Yoev Galat say we are fighting human animals and we have to cut off their electricity, cut off their food, cut off their water?
Okay.
You know what?
I'm going to cut off natural.
I'm going to cut off this debate.
I'm going to cut off the debate because we're getting absolutely nowhere.
But I appreciate everybody joining me.
Thank you very much indeed.
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