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March 6, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Denied Entry to Britain 00:01:28
Well Jar Ruul is hip-hop royalty with four Grammys, more than 30 million records sold, and collaborations with everyone from Ashanti and J-Lo to Mary J. Blythe.
This week he was due to launch a big UK tour, but Britain's Home Office denied him entry over previous criminal convictions.
Why someone like Mike Tyson was given special dispensation, but you haven't been.
What's your message to the British Home Office if they're watching this?
Let me in.
The least surprising reaction came from your old rival 50 Cent.
But you've actually had a physical fight with him, have you?
Who won?
I did.
Pierce, come on.
Really?
You did call him a pussy last week and told him to shut up.
And that's facts.
P. Diddy, Sean Diddy Coombs.
So now a moment of reckoning for people in the rap industry.
Do you agree with Jay-Z that it's outrageous his wife Beyonce has never got album of the year at the Grammys?
She has the most Grammys.
She does.
She does.
But never won album of the year?
You play golf, Pierce, man.
I do play golf.
I will absolutely demolish it.
That's a challenge.
I love it.
You must have a little bit of it, okay?
Absolutely.
Okay, let's have 50 Cent on it.
Absolutely.
No, we're going to bet a little more than that.
I don't do nothing for that cheat.
Now, in the Stuzzan interview, Jar Ruul joins me uncensored.
Well, Jar Rule, great to talk to you.
Public Record Convictions 00:09:36
Very disappointing for all your fans that you've not been allowed into Britain.
How do you feel about it?
Man, I'm devastated.
You know, as you guys say over there, I'm gutted, you know, by this whole situation.
You know, I put a lot into this tour.
You know, it's my 25-year anniversary of my first album, Vinnie Vedo Vici.
And so, you know, I wanted to give my fans something special, you know, a really nice thank you for the 25 years of them being with me, you know, throughout my career just to support.
And, you know, I thought it was a goal, Pierce.
I thought everything was fine.
Thought the visa was being cleared.
And then at the last minute, I find out that it's not.
And, you know, it really sucks because the people who get hurt the most are the fans.
You know, they bought tickets.
These venues were sold, you know, 85, 90% sold out.
You know, and that to me, Piers, that hurts the most.
And I really, really was putting on for the people.
I built an amazing stage for them, amazing set.
So I'm hurt by this.
Now, the reason that you were refused entry, this involves a previous conviction for which you served two years in prison on gun and tax evasion charges.
Now, that's a matter of public record.
Everybody knows about that.
You've written about it in a book.
You've talked about it many times.
There's nothing secret about this.
Why is it only right at the last stage?
Let me just put a correction in there, Pierce.
It was failure to file taxes.
It's a little bit different from evasion, but go ahead.
No, no, it's important to get it right.
So look, for those who don't know your story, just explain quickly what it was that got you that criminal conviction and the prison sentence.
I mean, you know, it was a really silly conviction if you ask me.
You know, guns are legal all over the country.
You know, people can get them now with minimal to no background checks, you know, in certain cities and states out here in America.
So it was a really silly conviction.
You know, I was pulled over in my car.
I had my driver.
I was in the back of my vehicle.
You know, usually if it's a regular stop, they talk to the driver, get his license and registration of the car.
If anything is wrong with that, then they go further.
But this just felt a little different.
There was three cop cars all around my car, and they searched my car and they found a weapon in my car.
But it was a weapon that I had, obviously, for my protection.
I didn't brandish it.
I didn't do anything with the weapon violently.
And so I served two years in prison for that.
And because New York gun laws are very, very strict.
And that too needs to be talked about on a different level.
How we can maybe reconstruct some of these laws, even out in London.
Maybe there's something we can do to talk about how artists can be led into the country, should be let into the country, especially after they haven't committed a crime in over 10 years or they haven't been in prison in over 10 years.
And so I'm just thinking that this needs to take, you know, it needs to be taken a step further.
And somebody needs to fall on the sword for this, for all artists to be able to do that.
I mean, what I'm curious about to the country.
What I'm curious about is why it was so late in the day that you suddenly get rejected.
I mean, like I say, this is, if you just check your Wikipedia, up it comes.
This is not a secret.
Why do you think it's been left so late?
I don't know.
That was the really weird part to me, you know, why they would allow us to start selling tickets and everything like that.
And then for it to be rejected, it just didn't make any sense.
And the company that I did the tour with is a very reputable company out there.
And so I don't know where the mistake came in, who to point the finger at.
I don't like to do that, Pierce.
I like to take accountability, but it's just a sad situation.
But I'm working to figure out how I can get into the country, how we can get, you know, the interesting thing I thought, John Roll, was this.
Into the country.
I remember Mike Tyson, who's a friend of mine, known him a long time, interviewed him many, many times.
He was allowed to enter the UK despite serving a three-year sentence for rape.
The Home Office gave him a special dispensation, exceptional circumstances, they called it, involving the fact that there were such huge amounts of money at stake when he fought Julius Francis in Manchester.
And it struck me there's not a lot of difference between the huge amount of money at stake in that fight and the huge amount of money at stake with you with this huge tour, you know, Cardiff, London, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Liverpool, 85% of the tickets are sold out.
That seems a pretty large amount of money to me.
I'm just curious whether you understand why someone like Mike Tyson was given special dispensation, but you haven't been.
I mean, you know, I don't know.
Maybe they might got some pull that I don't have in the higher rankings out there in London.
I don't know.
But, you know, this is something that needs to be addressed, needs to be looked at.
You know, there was a lot of money, like you said, left on the table, you know, and having to be refunded.
So, you know, everybody's hurt by this, not just me and all the other artists that were on the bill.
How much will this cost you, personally?
Maya and Kerry Hilson, but it's cost me close to a half a million dollars just in production.
So I'm out some money, but that's not the big picture.
The big picture is how do we solve this?
What is the solution to so this doesn't happen to the next artist that tries to come in?
The immigration, the UK immigration rules apparently state you'll be denied entry if you've been convicted of a criminal offense for which you've got a jail term of a year or more.
That apparently is the criteria.
Yeah.
Yes.
I guess I fit the criteria.
Yeah, I mean, when were you last in the UK?
Have you been here before?
I haven't been in the UK.
It's been maybe like 15 years, I think, something like that.
So it's been a really long time.
But you haven't tried to come in since your conviction?
No, you know, I don't want to do anything illegal, Pierce.
And if I'm not allowed in, then I'll just stay where I'm at.
It's fine.
I mean, just assume for a moment I'm the Home Office Secretary.
I mean, if I said to you, are you a reformed character, Jarul?
What would you say?
I mean, just look at my track record of, you know, what I've been doing over the last 10 years, 15 years since I've been convicted of these crimes.
All the work that I've done in my communities and through other communities.
I'm building a school in Ghana this coming year.
So I've done a lot of philanthropy work, but that's neither here nor there.
I think the bigger picture is to look at a man's character.
Look at how I carry myself.
I've been married 23 years, have three kids with the same woman.
That's difficult in hip-hop for a lot of guys.
Impossible.
But in any genre, music or entertainment industry is hard.
Just in life itself.
So I think some of those things can be looked at as well, not just the fact that I haven't been in trouble in 10, 15 years.
What's your message to the British Home Office if they're watching this?
Let me in.
I would really ask the question, what can we do to change the law?
Because the law is the law.
And I would want to work with whoever in government to see how maybe there can be some exceptions, some clemency to artists that are coming over to entertain and create jobs for people in the UK as well.
I used a lot of vendors that were over in the UK for my staging, for my lighting and these things.
So those type of things I think are important as well.
Do you think if Mike Tyson was let in for exceptional circumstances based on the amount of money at stake, that by that criteria, you should be given the same consideration?
You know, I think so, because there's a lot of money at stake here, obviously.
A lot of unhappy ticket holders.
So yeah, I think there should be some type of criteria when there's a certain amount of money at stake.
What's your message for your fans?
Let's start, Pierce.
That's a good start.
I think, listen, if I'm not your advisor.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not your advisors.
If I'm following your legal team, I'd certainly be looking at what happened with Mike because I remember all that happening.
In fact, it was, I mean, this is...
Rival 50 Cent Roasts 00:14:42
That's a case study.
That's a great case study.
It's a very good case study.
It's a great question to that, you know, after this interview.
Yeah.
But to your previous question, my message to my fans, you know, my fans know I love them.
I go the extra mile for all my fans.
You know, I'm one of those artists that rarely turns away, you know, pictures and autographs and stuff like that.
If I'm eating, though, if I'm eating, please let me eat.
After I finish, I will oblige.
But, you know, I love my fans to death.
And, you know, we'll figure this out.
Even if I can't get into the country, me and my team are looking to do something very, very special, maybe just for the UK fans, like maybe like a free live stream type of performance situation with all of my production that I was planning to put on.
We'll figure it out.
I'm trying to figure it out.
So that's not Etching Stone.
So don't take me to town on that.
But I'm trying to work something out right now.
Well, the least surprising reaction to your issue came from your old rival 50 Cent, who replied to your post on X by saying, ha I did not have nothing to do with this bleep not getting in lol.
He added LMAO, laughing my ass off.
I got juice all over the place, sucker.
So he was obviously thrilled that you weren't allowed into this country.
What's your response to 50 Cent?
Yeah.
I think I responded.
I'm cool.
You know, I don't get into the back and forth.
I think, well, you did, you did a lot of back and forth on the internet.
Well, you, you called him.
You called him.
So I'm cool.
You called him N-word, you pussy, shut up.
Yeah, yeah.
It was quick and to the point.
Yeah.
I mean, you two have been going at it 25 years now.
You know, not me, actually.
You know, I'm cool, Pierce.
I don't, like I said, I don't get into it.
I really don't do social media like that at all.
You know, I post them, you know, of course, to promote some of my things and, you know, that sort of thing.
But I'm really not the social media guy like that.
And so, you know, I'm not, I don't really get into the back and forth with him like that.
I mean, you told Vlad TV, I hate the fact that every time I do an interview, he has to get brought up in my interview.
I hate we're connected in that way.
We really have nothing in common other than we're from the same neighborhood, which is obviously Queens in New York.
I'm a stand-up N-word.
You can say it, I can't.
He's not.
What do you mean by that?
I mean, you are both, you're obviously similar backgrounds.
You come from the same part of New York.
You've both been huge hip-hop stars.
Why are you stand-up and he's not?
I mean, you've got to kind of be from where we're from to understand the terminologies of that.
But, you know, it's some of the things that I spoke about earlier.
You know, those are real man things.
You know, taking care of your family, taking care of your kids, you know, putting your kids through college, you know, being a real father to your family and your children.
But, you know, those are stand-up things.
You know, so in that aspect, you know, I'm very, very stand-up.
And why is he not stand-up by comparison?
I mean, Piers, you're a pretty smart man, I'm assuming.
You probably know the answer to that question.
Well, I listen, I've known 50 Cent a long time.
I personally interviewed him several times, always got on fine with him.
But you guys have had this thing going for a quarter of a century.
And it's interesting to me that you...
Well, next time you interview him, Pierce, ask him these questions about me.
Well, I will.
But just when I do interview him, I want to better say to him, Jar Rule says you're not a stand-up guy because.
Fill that sentence for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, he knows.
You know, he knows.
Yeah, but I don't.
He knows.
But that's okay.
You're not supposed to, Pierce.
Give me some meat on the bone.
Give me some bit of the beef bone.
Listen, Pierce.
Listen, I'm not here to talk about this.
I'm here to talk about my tour, my UK fans that I love, and how we're going to spin this situation into a great one for them and bring them this tour.
So that's the gist of what I'm trying to do and what I'm doing.
I don't worry about what he's talking about.
If he's watching this interview, what's your message for him?
I don't have one.
Good luck to him and everything he's doing.
He's another black man.
I wish all of us luck.
I'm looking for everybody to win.
I don't have competition, Pierce.
I compete with me.
That's it.
So, you know, those things, like I said, there's no message to be sent.
Out of interest, who would win if you had a fight?
That's happened already, too, Pierce.
Really?
You got to do your research, man.
I did a bit of research.
I knew that various members of your gangs had traded, but you've actually had a physical fight with him, have you?
Yeah, absolutely.
Who won?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I did, Pierce.
Come on.
Really?
I'm done, Pierce.
Are you asking all these crazy questions, man?
You want the fluff and flatter.
I don't know.
You know what, Gerald?
I've always wanted to interview you.
Laid back individuals through the name.
You're in the internet.
I'm just letting you know.
Look, you're in the news here for the reasons we've discussed.
I think I've given you a very fair chance there and some probably quite good advice.
I'm just curious.
I want to just touch on a few other things.
And that rivalry, obviously, him tweeting what he did is just another example of this rivalry that never goes away.
And I'm just, it's just, I'm curious.
Knowing him.
It's a thing.
It's a one-sided thing, Pierce.
Yeah.
It's a one-sided thing, Pierce.
You never see me say anything about him.
I just mind my business, do my business, and you know that because you see me at my place of business.
You did call him a pussy last week and told him to shut up.
And that's facts.
And so I don't need to speak about facts.
What's understood don't need to be explained, Pierce.
You say you never respond, did you?
That's just reality.
You say you never respond.
You do occasionally.
I'm just saying, I'm just letting you know, Pierce.
I don't do the back and forth foolery.
Understood.
Let me just ask you about a couple of other things that have been in the news.
One is that the big controversy about, I think a guy is a friend of yours, which is P. Diddy, Sean Diddy Coombs.
What's your take on what's happening with him?
Again, man, you know, it's another black man in this industry going through some unfortunate circumstances.
And so, you know, I wish him luck as well with everything he's going through.
And, you know, and if there's victims in this, you know, I can't speak on things that I don't know about Pierce.
And so I try not to.
I try to leave those things to those who do that.
That's why people have podcasts and stuff like that.
They talk about these things back and forth.
I don't really get involved with that.
But yeah, I wish everybody love.
I mean, some people thought it was pretty...
Right.
Some people thought it was pretty amazing that the rap industry did not get the treatment from the Me Too campaign that other parts of the entertainment business got.
Do you think that that's now happening?
Is there now a moment of reckoning for people in the rap industry?
I couldn't tell you.
I couldn't tell you.
You know, it's a very unfortunate thing for the victims of these situations and for the people who are also being accused of these situations.
I believe in justice and I believe in The crime fitting the, you know, the punishment fitting the crime.
I believe in that as well.
And if people get convicted of the things that these people are saying, then they should be put in jail.
But I also believe, on the flip side, if people are lying about these things, they should also be taken to court, tried, and be put in prison as well.
So, you know, I think it's a two-way street when it comes to these things, you know?
What do you feel, Jarrell, about the ongoing debate about lyrics by rap stars over the years, particularly misogynist lyrics and so on?
Do you feel what do you feel about that generally?
You've made a point in this interview of talking about the fact you've been married a long time, the same woman, you've had three kids with this woman and so on.
And that is, you know, let's be straight, that is not the norm with rap stars, many of whom pride themselves on being very misogynist and having a lot of women and so on and so on.
What do you feel about that?
I mean, at some point, you got to look at it as what it is, Pierce, it's entertainment.
You know, you can't look at everything in entertainment and look at it as for fact or true or lead your life in that same way.
It's just entertainment.
Same thing with films and things of that nature.
What's up, Fausto?
I'm doing an interview, baby.
I'm live on TV.
I'll check LA.
I'll come golf hotel later.
Yeah.
Who's that, Diddy?
But who?
Was that Diddy or Fiddy?
Who?
Fausto.
That's my guy, Fausto.
You got jokes, Pierce.
I see you got jokes.
See, I've never done an interview with you, Pierce, and I don't really watch too many of your interviews, so I don't know your humor right now, but I'm getting it.
I'm getting it.
It's very British.
Yeah.
But just on that point, do they call that dry humor?
We're very dry, yeah.
The Brits are very dry humor, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You shouldn't take everything we say too literally.
No, no, no.
I'm cool.
But on that point, that question I asked, so you wouldn't think, though, that misogyny is entertainment, right?
I mean, people do think a lot of rap lyrics are misogynist.
A, do you agree with that?
And B, do you think you can be?
I mean, there's rock lyrics that are misogynists.
Right.
RB lyrics that are very misogynist.
It's country lyrics, very misogynist.
Right.
So don't just pin it on rap.
Music is very misogynistic.
Is that?
And sometimes it's like that.
Is that right, Joerl?
Should it be?
I don't think it's right or wrong.
I think it's their craft.
I think it's their art.
And I think people should be able to create whatever they want.
It's misogynistic.
Joel, misogyny is not an art, is it?
Well, if it's in a music, if it's in music, Pierce?
So you're calling all of these artists that I just named, all of these genres of music, that have misogynist lyrics, so they're not artists, what they do is not art?
I don't think, I don't, honestly, I do not think, whatever the genre of the music, I don't think misogyny could ever be categorized as art, no.
And nor should it.
When it's just, when it's just, well, all right, well, what about when somebody does a film and they put these types of things in films, a rape scene in a film, a shooting scene in a film, somebody gets, that's not art?
Well, that's an interesting question.
I mean, it depends how it is.
We're artists.
We just tell, people are artists, they're just telling stories, too.
They're just telling stories.
These stories don't have to really exist.
These things don't have to exist.
Now, can we say that it's not your cup of tea?
It's not the kind of art you like?
Sure.
But it is their form of art.
Yes.
And freedom of speech and these things are very, you know, things that we have to try to uphold when it comes to art.
When it comes to comedy, when it comes to film, when it comes to music, we have to uphold these things for artists to be artists.
Or art dies.
That's how I feel.
It's just my opinion.
So let me know how I feel.
So listen, it's a very interesting, honest answer.
Let me ask him, are you friends with Ye, Kenye?
I don't know Ye well, but we've met, but I don't know Ye well.
I mean, I interviewed him.
You've seen what's happened to him.
There's been a big attempt to cancel him.
He seems to be making a bit of a comeback.
But did what he said, for example, which was categorized by many people as being anti-Semitic, was that something that crossed the line for you?
I mean, again, you know, Ye is, yay, he's on his own planet, man.
He says and does all these things, and they're not right.
Some of these things, they're not necessarily right, what he says.
And like, like, you know, I was listening to the conversation you was having with the gentleman just before.
And people can say whatever they want, Pierce, but there's consequences to what you say.
Right.
And so I think Kanye is understanding that and he's feeling that.
And that's what anybody.
You know, I don't think it's right, you know, to down any race or down any body at all.
I think people should be able to be who they want to be and live their life and people should mind their business about it.
That's how I live and that's how I sleep well at night.
I mind my business.
If you see, I made a tweet recently and I said in my tweet, I said, let's make, in 2024, let's make minding our business a thing.
Because people are too caught up in everybody else's business.
Mind Your Business 00:03:38
These four last questions you asked me, I don't even care, Pierce, to be honest, it's not my business.
But I'll answer it for you.
But my answer to that.
No, no, I get it.
I get it.
But my interviews.
Mind you, also entertainment.
You know, but of course.
And you're being very, by the way, you're being very entertaining.
But my response to that would be, all the people I've talked about, they have made this kind of thing their business.
I mean, when Ye gives these, I mean, he gave an interview to me that was pretty outrageous.
And when you do that, you're putting it out there.
You're making it everyone's business, aren't you?
I mean, when you do interviews, people are going to look at an interview and judge what you say or whatever, but it's still not none of their business.
You know what minding your business means to me, Pierce?
The business that pays you.
You ever heard that statement, mind the business that pays you?
That's what I'm talking about.
If you ain't making money from it, why does it concern you?
Especially if it's not a moral issue or anything like that or a political issue or anything that you can go and actually have a participation in, a vote on or something in this nature.
What do you care?
Who are you going to vote for in the American election?
I like how you just pivoted.
I like how you just pivoted.
You know, I'm not a Trump fan.
And so I'm not going to vote for him.
So I don't know.
I haven't made my decision yet.
I don't know who's going to end up winning the primaries, but we'll see.
I mean, could you honestly vote for Biden given the state he's in?
Pierce, it's like, I mean, the last election was the same thing.
It was like the lesser two evils.
What are we to do?
Can we get a fresh batch of people to get in here that want the job?
Nobody wants the job.
You know, it's weird.
It's supposed to be the most coveted job in the world, you know, to be the leader of the free world, but nobody wants the job.
And so it doesn't seem like it's such a great job.
I went on Charlemagne the Gods podcast recently, and he has turned on Biden, and he says that Biden hasn't done nearly enough for America's black community.
Would you agree with that?
I agree.
I've seen Charlemagne's.
You know, Charlemagne, he really feels burned because he really, really, you know, he went hard for that campaign.
You know, he was not so much on the Biden ride, but he was very much with Camilla Harris.
And that was, you know, he feels like he was duped.
He feels like he was promised things, you know, that they were going to do for the black community.
And he feels like those things weren't done, you know, weren't even brought up.
So, you know, I think he feels burned by that a little bit, but that's politics.
That's politics.
And that's anybody that's ever dealt with a politician, I feel like they've gone through that in some way, shape, or form with trying to get things done in their community, you know?
So it's not an easy job for anybody, any of these guys.
Joe Rules, quick question.
How rich are you?
Harvard Course During COVID 00:04:08
I'm good.
I do well.
How good?
Good enough.
You know, I'm happy.
That's the problem.
So let me give you parameters.
All right, let me give you $20 million, $50 million, $100 million, or more than $100 million.
Which section are you in?
I'm in the section.
That's what I'll just say.
I'm in the section, man.
I'm sitting in the seats.
That's all.
I mean, you sold 30 million records.
I'm guessing you're probably in the, I would say you're in the 50 to 100.
Am I right?
I've been getting money a long time, Pierce.
That's what I will say.
I've been getting money a long time.
But that's not that, you know, I'm weird like that, Pierce.
If you look at my Instagram and stuff like that, I'm not one of those artists that show off my stuff and show off my cars and things like that.
Because that to me is not what my community needs to see.
I feel like my community needs to be inspired by other things, investments, stocks, philanthropy.
Those things I think, education, I think those things are more important to try to show off.
So when I got my, you know how you take those Harvard online courses?
So during COVID, I took the entrepreneurial course or, you know, online course at Harvard.
And I passed the course.
I was so happy and proud to post that, but it didn't get no traction.
Nobody cared.
If I had to post my chain, it would have got more traction.
But that is what's important to me.
That is what I feel like.
That's the message that I need to push.
And listen, I'm not sitting here trying to sound like no saint, Pierce.
Trust me, I'm not.
But I'm 48.
Birthday just passed the other day.
I feel like I'm an artist that's been through a lot.
I'm getting into what they call the unk stages, where they call you unk.
And the unc's supposed to pass on the knowledge.
You know, we're not supposed to be doing the same thing.
Let me ask you, what was this?
When you were in prison, what was the because clearly your life changed for the better when you came out, I would say.
I mean, you can answer that, but what was, you know, when you were sitting there in that cell, what went through your mind and what did you determine to do with your life when you came out?
You know, I used that opportunity to better myself as a man.
You know, I read a lot of books, a lot of self-help books, you know, really pulled from great men that have been through these situations like Mandela and Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. You know, I know that these guys have spent time in horrendous prisons, you know, especially Mandela.
And if these men were able to come out on the other side better than they, you know, went in on the inside, you know, to me, that was everything that gave me the strength to do the things I did while I was in there.
You know, I didn't have my GED.
So, you know, I accomplished that while I was there.
I only had two years.
And usually, guys that have that little shorter time, they just do what they do and work out a little bit, whatever, and kill the time and go home.
But I preach education in my household to my kids.
And so I felt it was important that I not only preach it, but that I also live it.
And so when I got in prison, went and took the GED test, got my GED, and then went on to take the entrepreneurial course from Harvard when I came home during COVID.
So I don't want to just ever be one of those people that talk about it.
I like to be about it as well.
And I think that sends the right message.
Yeah, I like that.
I admire that.
So I'm going to end with two controversial questions about the same person.
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One is, do you agree with Jay-Z that it's outrageous his wife, Beyoncé, has never got album of the year at the Grammys?
I mean, you know, it's competition, Pierce.
It's competitive.
And just because Michael Jordan won six championships, you think he didn't won seven?
You know, I hear a lot of chatter.
I hear a lot of people saying, well, she has, you know, 30-something Grammys or 40.
I don't know how many she has, but she has a lot of Grammys.
She has the most.
She's one of the most Grammys.
Yes.
Yes.
I hear people saying that.
And, you know, as competitors, okay, yeah, I have those already.
Those are in the can because I earned those.
The one that I wanted and I feel I should have won is Album of the Year for some of my great work that I put through.
I understand that.
I understand that.
And I understand what Jay was saying.
If you write metrics, that doesn't work.
I'm getting to that.
If she won, she has the most Grammys ever.
She does.
She does.
For various songs on these albums, but never won album of the year.
Even by their metrics, that doesn't work.
I get what he was saying.
So I'm a competitor.
I'm never going to say, don't compete, don't want more.
I have enough.
Why?
For what?
Who competes like that?
Nobody.
And so, I get it, and I'm not mad at it at all.
What about her country music song?
Did you think that it was a brilliant, groundbreaking development in her career, or do you think, as some people do, that it sucked?
No, I actually like the song.
You know, I play cards, man.
I play Texas Hold them, so I thought it was clever.
But, you know, black people, you know, started country music.
So what's wrong with us diving back in the day?
Are you going to do a country song?
Probably not.
But I'm not mad at nobody that does it.
I love to see all the black artists that are doing country music right now.
I think it's really, really dope.
Well, Joe Rawl, look, we've run out of time.
I've loved talking to you.
We covered a lot of stuff.
And if you do get into the country, I hope you do.
Come and see me in the studio for round two.
I will, man.
I will.
I'll definitely come and hang out with you, man.
You play golf, Piers, man.
I do play golf.
I do play golf.
You want to run a golf?
What's your handicap, Piers?
16.
What's your handicap?
16.
You?
Oh, we could play then.
I'm like a 19.
We could play then.
Yeah, we can get it in.
I will absolutely demolish you.
That's a challenge.
I love it.
I love it, Piers.
Now I got to work on my game.
I'm going to get a lot of people.
And we're going to have a little by the time I get on the bottom.
We've got to have a little bet on it, though.
Joe Rawl.
We must have a little bet on it, okay?
Absolutely.
Okay, let's have 50 cent on that.
Absolutely.
No, no, we're going to bet a little more than that.
I don't do nothing for that cheat.
Joe Roll, great to talk to you.
I'll see you on the golf course.
For sure, Piers, much love to you, man.
London, I love y'all.
See y'all soon.
Hopefully.
Take care.
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