Uncensored - Piers Morgan - 20240301_is-mary-poppins-racist-and-piers-meets-libs-of-tik
Aired: 2024-03-01
Duration: 32:40


=== Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy (07:59) ===

[00:00:01]  Libs of TikTok, short for liberals, is one of the most popular and controversial accounts on social media.
[00:00:08]  It highlights examples of LGBT excess posted publicly by Well Libs, such as this recent post of a man in a dog's mask with the comment, there's a serious mental health crisis in this country.
[00:00:19]  Well, Haya Raychick is the creator of Libs of TikTok.
[00:00:23]  This weekend, she sparred with Washington Post reporter Taylor Lorenz, who was mystifyingly wearing a mask outside.
[00:00:30]  The encounter went viral and was variously described as unhinged, cringeworthy, and agonizing, with both parties being on the receiving end of all of those criticisms.
[00:00:40]  Here's a taster of what she said.
[00:00:43]  I'm asking you, why is it that people have to live under your sort of view of gender?
[00:00:49]  It's not my view, it's science.
[00:00:51]  It's facts, it's biology.
[00:00:53]  There's nothing logical about topping off kids' body parts.
[00:00:56]  There's nothing logical about giving kids porn in school.
[00:00:59]  The whole trend is it's based on a lie.
[00:01:02]  You can't change your gender.
[00:01:03]  Personally, my feeling is that I believe in personal liberty.
[00:01:06]  I grew up in a town where a lot of people for their middle school graduation women got nose jobs.
[00:01:13]  I was just wondering, out of all the books that you've sort of tried to get removed, how many have you read?
[00:01:17]  I've read a couple of them.
[00:01:19]  Uh-huh.
[00:01:19]  Which ones?
[00:01:21]  Gender Queer.
[00:01:22]  Uh-huh.
[00:01:23]  I've read this book is gay.
[00:01:24]  Uh-huh.
[00:01:25]  My shadow is pink.
[00:01:28]  And what do you consider gay porn in these books?
[00:01:30]  This is a blowdell.
[00:01:34]  In the conservative movement, there's this ideology around sort of white nationalism, which is obviously kind of a hardline ideology.
[00:01:42]  How do you feel about sort of aligning yourself with those people and account?
[00:01:48]  Not all cultures are equal.
[00:01:50]  But let's just get back to the great replacement stuff, because I'm curious, what are your thoughts on that whole ideology?
[00:01:55]  There were some minds over the past three years that there were more illegals coming into our border than children being born.
[00:02:02]  They're importing people who want to destroy America.
[00:02:05]  So is Libs of TikTok really hateful or just shining a legitimate light on woke insanity?
[00:02:11]  In a moment, we'll discuss that and more with tonight's pack.
[00:02:13]  Here in the studio, I'm sensing contributors Esther Kraker and Ava Santina and a New York Fox Nation host and author of Nuff Said, my friend Tyrus.
[00:02:21]  But first I'm joined by the Libs of TikTok creator, Haya Rachik.
[00:02:25]  Well, Haya, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored.
[00:02:28]  I've got to say, I read a lot of your tweets and the ones that I absolutely love are where you expose rank hypocrisy, where you simply show people a statement by a liberal, normally about something to do with the right wing or conservative arm, and then you have a response which just highlights the hypocrisy.
[00:02:58]  Garrett, thanks so much for having me on.
[00:02:59]  It's great to be here.
[00:03:01]  Yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy to expose and it's part of the reason why they hate me so much because I'm just sharing themselves in their own words and pointing out their hypocrisy and they just can't handle seeing that.
[00:03:17]  Yeah, I mean, you've become a hate figure and a figure that's very popular as well.
[00:03:22]  How do you deal with the reaction?
[00:03:24]  You've got an aggressive interview there with the Washington Post journalist.
[00:03:28]  Do you care?
[00:03:29]  Does it deter you?
[00:03:32]  No, not at all.
[00:03:34]  The hate actually keeps me going because the people that hate me are the most vile people on earth.
[00:03:41]  And the fact that they hate me tells me that I'm doing something right.
[00:03:45]  I would actually be upset if the people who are pro-genital mutilation and pro-giving kids porn in school and pro-sexualizing kids, I would be kind of concerned if they liked me.
[00:03:55]  Right.
[00:03:56]  I mean, many people will watch this and they'll agree with you.
[00:03:59]  Do you think some of the ways you express yourself have crossed the line?
[00:04:03]  Are there any of the tweets you've done where with hindsight you would have phrased things a little differently?
[00:04:11]  No, I stand by every single one of my tweets.
[00:04:13]  I'm very proud of the work that I have done to expose the sexualization and grooming of children and to expose the hypocrisy of the left.
[00:04:22]  Okay, well, let's bring in the panel here to discuss this.
[00:04:26]  Ava, I mean, it's a hugely popular account, this, various accounts, but it's hugely popular.
[00:04:32]  What do you think of it?
[00:04:34]  I find it quite hateful, but I think that's the intent, right?
[00:04:36]  Because people are addicted to receiving click gratification and they like to be retweeted and they like to be liked online.
[00:04:44]  And a really good way to go about that is to stoke fear and to stoke loathing.
[00:04:48]  You know, that one video you just showed us, Sarah, of that person in a mask, and he's, you know, they are like pouring over a couple of slices of bread.
[00:04:55]  Yeah, that's totally nuts.
[00:04:57]  But does that person deserve to go viral and have their life destroyed?
[00:05:01]  Probably not.
[00:05:01]  It's very weird behavior, but it's almost like capital punishment.
[00:05:04]  But there's other people on the woke side who are also extremely hateful.
[00:05:09]  And, you know, pricking their balloon actually could be a valuable public service.
[00:05:13]  Exposing the rank hypocrisy of much of the woke insanity in terms of the way they express themselves, I think is important.
[00:05:22]  What have we actually exposed here?
[00:05:23]  Have we not just exposed some people are quite strange?
[00:05:26]  I don't, I mean, is there any actual humanitarian good from posting these people online?
[00:05:31]  Well, I think what happens is when you tend to be on a corner of social media, you're almost, you don't even want to be there, but you're in an echo chamber.
[00:05:36]  So actually, the algorithm doesn't allow you to see these things.
[00:05:39]  The fact that this website or the libs of TikTok just reposts things that are already posted by libs, I think is quite telling.
[00:05:45]  It's not fabricating things that don't exist.
[00:05:47]  I do appreciate it may not be helpful to say something that someone who's clearly mentally unwell is mentally unwell for it to go viral and for them to be trolled on the internet.
[00:05:54]  But I think the fundamental premise is it's not making stuff up.
[00:05:57]  These are things that exist.
[00:05:58]  This person arguably put it on social media.
[00:06:00]  If he goes viral because another account retweets it, what's the point?
[00:06:04]  I kind of agree.
[00:06:04]  I mean, it's bringing Taurus.
[00:06:05]  I mean, Taurus, there is a lot of hypocrisy on all sides on social media.
[00:06:10]  We know that.
[00:06:10]  Yeah.
[00:06:11]  But what do you make about the fur?
[00:06:12]  I'm actually...
[00:06:13]  Sorry, go on.
[00:06:14]  I'm actually upset.
[00:06:16]  One of my, I want to be made fun of by Libs of TikTok.
[00:06:18]  I love you guys.
[00:06:21]  I think you need to open up.
[00:06:22]  I think to open up Libs.
[00:06:23]  You need to come after conservatives also.
[00:06:26]  There's a lot of dumb shit being coming out of people's mouths.
[00:06:30]  And I think the biggest thing is just hearing that argument.
[00:06:36]  I watched that interview.
[00:06:37]  And here's the thing.
[00:06:38]  It's freedom of speech.
[00:06:39]  Whether you like it or not in America, you're not going to like everything.
[00:06:43]  People go after you.
[00:06:44]  I think what Libs is doing is they're just putting a mirror on you.
[00:06:47]  Now, if she was just writing the stuff and just doing what everyone else is doing, basically the parrot procedure, the woman that she's arguing with, was basically saying, have you read any books?
[00:06:56]  I'm willing to bet the woman that said that to her didn't because she didn't give her any names.
[00:07:00]  So I think what would have been, what has to happen is if you're in situations like that, I don't think any book should be burned.
[00:07:07]  I do think though there should be, just like anything else, a pack of cigarettes.
[00:07:10]  In America, you got to be 18.
[00:07:12]  If there's a book that has high sexual content or instructions or a biography, it needs to be labeled and such.
[00:07:20]  And if a child is curious or has those questions, that's a book that needs to be checked out with their family.
[00:07:26]  So there needs to be access to those things.
[00:07:28]  But we need to remember to be adults in the room.
[00:07:31]  Anytime, like I said, if you would have said, if they would have said, hey, let's sit down and read this book together and actually figure out what's wrong.
[00:07:38]  And that's boring and it's a long thing because in America especially, we're all parrots.
[00:07:43]  We only want to read about eight lines, if that, and then we take that and go argue with it.
[00:07:47]  And we're seeing that on TV.
[00:07:49]  We see everyone, like people like us, we come on, we read the headline, read a little paragraph.
[00:07:53]  No one's actually, so you got to do the work.
[00:07:56]  You got to go find the books and then you can have a real conversation.
[00:07:58]  We don't have real conversations anymore.

=== Context Matters in Debate (08:33) ===

[00:08:00]  We're parrots, we repeat stuff, and whoever barks the loudest gets the most likes and tweets.
[00:08:04]  So Libs is not doing anything that CNN doesn't do, every news media doesn't do.
[00:08:09]  Look for a gouch a moment.
[00:08:10]  Someone said something, they take it out of context and place it.
[00:08:13]  Here's the thing: the libs aren't even doing that.
[00:08:15]  They're just putting it.
[00:08:15]  So keep doing what you do.
[00:08:17]  But I'm sure if you watch me, you can make fun of me on something.
[00:08:19]  Like my arms are crossed on TV, something.
[00:08:24]  Some of the tweets have had repercussions.
[00:08:27]  You know, they've led to people being harassed.
[00:08:28]  They've led to threats and so on.
[00:08:30]  Do you have regret about some of the consequences, albeit they may not have been your intention?
[00:08:38]  Well, I don't think it's fair to say that my tweets led to harassment.
[00:08:42]  You know, the media, they like to accuse me of violence and bomb threats and stuff.
[00:08:48]  And there's no evidence that it's my followers doing that.
[00:08:53]  It's just, I mean, if I'm responsible for any of that, then the media is responsible for the death threats that I get after they report on me in a malicious way.
[00:09:03]  So I just, I don't think that that is accurate to say that.
[00:09:07]  And when you say, for example, that not all cultures are equal, what does she mean by that?
[00:09:13]  I mean, if you look at what's going on in the West, they're importing the third world.
[00:09:18]  And there's constantly videos all over.
[00:09:20]  It's very easy to find.
[00:09:22]  And I think if you import the third world, you're going to become the third world.
[00:09:25]  And it's scary.
[00:09:26]  And I explained it.
[00:09:28]  You played the clip, Piers.
[00:09:29]  You know, we're bringing in people who don't want to, you know, Taylor used the term melting pot, but they don't want to join the melting pot.
[00:09:36]  They don't like America.
[00:09:38]  They don't like what we stand for.
[00:09:40]  Okay.
[00:09:40]  Ava, you were saying that was disgraceful.
[00:09:41]  Why?
[00:09:42]  Well, I'm just sort of confused because I'm not really too sure what you're adding to America or what you're actually contributing in comparison to this, you know, this quote-unquote importing third world.
[00:09:51]  What are you talking about?
[00:09:52]  People who migrate to America or people who migrate to the UK and then, I don't know, work in your health service and, you know, work for you.
[00:09:59]  What are you actually contributing?
[00:10:00]  Just because the color of your skin is white doesn't mean that you are somehow more valuable than someone else.
[00:10:07]  That's not what she's saying.
[00:10:08]  I mean, it is what she's saying.
[00:10:10]  Because this is the, it's not.
[00:10:11]  I never mentioned skin color.
[00:10:13]  But you did.
[00:10:13]  You said importing the third world.
[00:10:15]  We know what those connotations mean.
[00:10:17]  Let's not play stupid here.
[00:10:18]  We know exactly what you mean.
[00:10:19]  No, no, no.
[00:10:20]  You are adding.
[00:10:21]  I didn't get that.
[00:10:21]  You denied those videos that are constantly all over social media.
[00:10:25]  What videos?
[00:10:28]  The videos of the third world in the West, totally destroying the cities.
[00:10:34]  Look at videos from England.
[00:10:35]  Let me bring Taris.
[00:10:36]  Taris.
[00:10:38]  Like, listen.
[00:10:39]  Don't talk over each other.
[00:10:40]  Taurus, have your say.
[00:10:42]  Yeah, Tara, here's the thing.
[00:10:44]  This is what happens.
[00:10:45]  So she got asked like 700 major questions, and she tried to answer each one.
[00:10:51]  And they're all gotcha questions.
[00:10:53]  She said some cultures, and listen, America, when the melting pot, you come to assimilate.
[00:10:58]  This is where, if I could give you any advice, do not do these interviews because they're only designed to get you to ask you as many questions.
[00:11:06]  It's like a rapid fire.
[00:11:07]  Boom, boom, boom.
[00:11:08]  And you're answering them as fastly as you can.
[00:11:10]  And that's the problem.
[00:11:11]  Each one of those conversations you had was at least a 40-minute conversation on like my show outkick.
[00:11:16]  Like each one were long and diverse, and there's no quick answer to them.
[00:11:20]  You got to stop doing the quick answers when you're interviewed because now they're going to say you're racist because you're just being on the grouping.
[00:11:27]  When you group, and that's what she was doing back to you.
[00:11:30]  She was trying to group you in by the color of your skin, because you're racist, because you're putting out stuff and you're asking a question.
[00:11:38]  If people are coming to this country not to assimilate, to do whatever they want.
[00:11:42]  And what we're seeing on our streets and what we're seeing in the streets of London, not a lot of assimilation.
[00:11:51]  There are good immigrants that come here, but you can't just say, oh, well, sometimes when you group it, you like to ease it, but you don't want to group her.
[00:11:58]  You want to make her into this racist person.
[00:12:01]  A lot of the violence that you see in America is different than you, any news group.
[00:12:06]  You're taking what she's saying, you're turning it around to fit your narrative, and then you're throwing it back at her.
[00:12:11]  Like, do some actual research on her.
[00:12:12]  The woman's not racist at all.
[00:12:14]  I'd be the first person to do that.
[00:12:16]  A lot of the crime that you're talking about is perpetrated by American citizens.
[00:12:19]  You're better than that.
[00:12:20]  You're better than that.
[00:12:21]  Get on her.
[00:12:22]  Get her on context.
[00:12:23]  Well, she did accuse me at the beginning of this interview.
[00:12:25]  But don't attack her skin.
[00:12:26]  You're better than that.
[00:12:28]  I didn't attack her skin.
[00:12:29]  She shut her mind for me.
[00:12:31]  I hate account.
[00:12:32]  So.
[00:12:33]  I mean, it is.
[00:12:33]  It is.
[00:12:34]  It's to capitalize on hate, fear, and loathing.
[00:12:36]  That is it.
[00:12:37]  And it's okay.
[00:12:37]  You should.
[00:12:38]  Okay, the Avarsky.
[00:12:40]  You can't ask me what's my intent of this account.
[00:12:42]  My intent is not to steal Kate.
[00:12:44]  Okay, but what?
[00:12:45]  You accused me of that at the beginning of this interview.
[00:12:47]  What is the, I mean, I suppose that you're going to say that the intent of your account is to shine light on things that actually just don't need to be shone light on at all.
[00:12:53]  And as we saw from that interview where you were exposed, you're not really, you know, that you're not actually exposing anything.
[00:13:00]  You're not actually presenting any new danger to anyone.
[00:13:02]  You're just shouting sound bites and hoping that somehow they land and they go.
[00:13:06]  You're kindergarten teachers teaching four-year-olds that they can be transgender.
[00:13:11]  I shouldn't expose that.
[00:13:12]  Right.
[00:13:12]  Is it really any of your business, though?
[00:13:14]  Is it really actually halting you or halting any American people?
[00:13:18]  I'm sorry, I think this is quite unfair.
[00:13:20]  At the end of the day, I do think that a lot of the things that have been exposed by libs of TikTok are actually very valid, like the kind of content children are consuming in schools, the kind of things they're exposed to, you know, questioning the justification of taking off people's limbs and different body parts when you wouldn't do that for someone who's of rational mind.
[00:13:38]  I think the problem that we tend to find is when you're fighting on a side, you tend to effectively choose the path of least resistance and just say things that will connect, but you don't particularly articulate it.
[00:13:47]  So I'm assuming when you say things like we're importing the third world, and I'm assuming this is what you're saying, you're talking about values.
[00:13:52]  What kind of values are these people bringing into your country?
[00:13:54]  Are they assimilating with the dominant culture?
[00:13:57]  And I think these are valid points to make because over the last few years, we've seen millions of people cross the southern border.
[00:14:02]  They haven't been audited.
[00:14:04]  We don't know what values these people are bringing into the country.
[00:14:06]  We don't even know who they are.
[00:14:07]  These are valid points to make.
[00:14:08]  And unfortunately, you don't get that opportunity to effectively articulate that properly when you're doing short-form interviews like this.
[00:14:14]  So I think that's a perfectly valid point.
[00:14:16]  But to say that she's not exposing anything that's important, these are the kinds of things that will actually sway the next election.
[00:14:21]  So people are concerned about it and you should be concerned about it.
[00:14:23]  I do.
[00:14:24]  I mean, I know that they are important.
[00:14:26]  I know that people are talking about them, but it's because we ramp it up all the time.
[00:14:28]  Look, I think that your comment about the third world.
[00:14:30]  It's not just because we ramp it up, it's because it matters.
[00:14:32]  These are the people when you're talking about...
[00:14:33]  Oh, let Avorrespond.
[00:14:34]  I think that we all know that that comment about the third world is so unnuanced, it doesn't have any meaning to it.
[00:14:38]  And you know that it's just baiting, it's race baiting, and it's stoking fear.
[00:14:42]  And I mean, you're welcome to tell me.
[00:14:44]  Tell me what the other intended purpose of that, if it's not to do those things.
[00:14:49]  Do you want to tell me?
[00:14:51]  I think it's very important that we understand what could happen.
[00:14:56]  What could happen?
[00:14:57]  What could happen?
[00:14:57]  Okay, what do you mean by the third world?
[00:15:00]  What exactly is that?
[00:15:00]  Why don't you ask, you know, why don't you ask Lake and Riley's parents?
[00:15:04]  Why don't you speak to how these people are?
[00:15:07]  Okay, what do you mean when you say that?
[00:15:11]  But what do you mean by third world?
[00:15:12]  What does third world mean to you?
[00:15:15]  What do you mean by I shouldn't be exposing the sexualization of kids?
[00:15:19]  Why are you answering our question with a question?
[00:15:22]  Can you not?
[00:15:22]  I mean, why don't you give us a post?
[00:15:25]  Hey, Pierce, I got a golf date with a panda on the moon.
[00:15:29]  This is the problem.
[00:15:31]  They're arguing talking points.
[00:15:32]  There's no conversation here.
[00:15:34]  She's not a racist.
[00:15:35]  She made a valid point.
[00:15:37]  America, we're having a lot of problems in the streets.
[00:15:39]  And if you're being honest and stuff, the people that are coming into the country in America, we're seeing a different trend.
[00:15:45]  It's a lot of young men, military age, in shape, not a lot of families, and young children.
[00:15:51]  And we have a lot of problems with young men make bad decisions in this country.
[00:15:55]  Men, let's just be, men are dangerous.
[00:15:57]  It doesn't matter what color they are.
[00:15:59]  Men without jobs, frustrated in the inner cities, bad things happen.
[00:16:04]  And you can say that.
[00:16:06]  It doesn't matter whether they're white, brown, black, there's problems.
[00:16:09]  And when you, and to go at her back and forth, the original question, this is a joke.
[00:16:14]  If you want to have an actual question, don't yell at her.
[00:16:17]  If you want to meet her, then sit down and have a conversation.
[00:16:19]  Libs of Tipcock is basically, she took the simplest thing in the world.
[00:16:23]  What is she guilty of?
[00:16:24]  Retweeting somebody else's narrative.
[00:16:27]  And when you take it out of the water and you put it up on the board and we all look at it, we giggle and go, wow, that was really dumb.

=== Gender Ideology and Crime (09:18) ===

[00:16:34]  And then research it.
[00:16:35]  She's not doing anything that any one of us is not already doing.
[00:16:38]  The difference is, for whatever reason, when I retweet something like that is said that I think is silly or dumb, it did not blow up the way it is.
[00:16:46]  What she's doing, it's her formula.
[00:16:48]  If you don't like her, if you don't like what she stands for, that's fine.
[00:16:51]  But have a conversation with her.
[00:16:52]  If you want to call her a racist, I'm not going to talk to a racist.
[00:16:55]  So why are we even talking?
[00:16:56]  There's no point to this.
[00:16:57]  Piers, I love you.
[00:16:59]  If we want to move on to the next topic, to listen to people argue and have her called names, a waste of my time and everybody here.
[00:17:05]  Okay, we're going to move on.
[00:17:06]  I want to give the last word on this, though, to Haya before we let you go.
[00:17:10]  You've listened to a range of views here.
[00:17:12]  What's your final thought about all this?
[00:17:17]  I think that the left just can't handle seeing what they themselves are saying.
[00:17:22]  Their views do not hold up to scrutiny, and that's why they hate me so much.
[00:17:26]  I'm very proud of the work I've done.
[00:17:28]  I'm going to continue doing it.
[00:17:30]  And, you know, people ask me, what's your end goal?
[00:17:32]  And I'll tell you right now, my goal is to become irrelevant.
[00:17:35]  My goal is to shut down because that will mean that gender ideology has been eradicated from this country, the extremely harmful and dangerous gender ideology, which leads kids to be mutilated and castrated.
[00:17:46]  And the sexualization of kids is over.
[00:17:48]  That's when I will know that my mission's complete and I will shut down and move on.
[00:17:52]  Hi, Rachel.
[00:17:53]  Thank you very much indeed for joining me.
[00:17:55]  I appreciate it.
[00:17:57]  Thank you.
[00:17:58]  Well, let's move on to another topic, as Taris suggested.
[00:18:02]  Another pretty incendiary one, actually.
[00:18:05]  This is about a transgender murderer called Scarlett Blake, who dissected a cat, placed his body in a blender just months before she then stalked a male victim and killed him in cold blood.
[00:18:18]  Now, it was reported by many media sites, this was a woman murderer.
[00:18:24]  And that prompted J.K. Rowling, who's been very vocal about this whole transgender activism issue, to tweet, I'm so sick of this bleep.
[00:18:34]  She said to her 14 million followers on X, this is not a woman.
[00:18:38]  These are hashtag not our crimes.
[00:18:41]  And as always, she got a barrel load of abuse back from the trans community.
[00:18:47]  So let me start with you, Ava, on this.
[00:18:50]  As a woman, do you not have a real problem with statistics now being artificially, and I would argue, as J.K. Rowling has, completely, disingenuously affected against women?
[00:19:04]  So the murder rate will look like more women are committing horrific murder crimes than historically they've been doing because transgender killers now get categorized as women.
[00:19:16]  I find the argument confusing because I don't care if that murderer identified as a woman or is a woman.
[00:19:24]  I care that she was a murderer.
[00:19:26]  I mean, I don't, Rose West was a biologically born woman.
[00:19:30]  I don't identify with her.
[00:19:31]  But do you think Scarlet Blake is a woman who committed that murder?
[00:19:35]  Well, she said that she is a woman.
[00:19:36]  I don't really think that.
[00:19:37]  And that's enough for you?
[00:19:38]  But it doesn't do anything for me.
[00:19:39]  I don't really care.
[00:19:40]  Literally will change the statistics.
[00:19:43]  I think it doesn't matter.
[00:19:43]  As a murderer.
[00:19:45]  I think it does matter because it matters in how we view public policy and the way we craft public policy.
[00:19:51]  We know that 70% of transgender women in prison are in there for sexual offenses, right, against biological women.
[00:19:59]  And that matters.
[00:20:00]  You're saying this person is just a statistic, but actually they paint a broader picture.
[00:20:04]  This person is clearly a biological man who has committed a heinous crime and in the name of women.
[00:20:10]  That should offend you because it's fundamentally a false.
[00:20:12]  That's what gets me is that Ava, you're all for women's rights, right to the point that something like this happens and you don't seem to care.
[00:20:19]  But it's nothing to do with that.
[00:20:20]  You don't care about trans women dominating females.
[00:20:23]  You can do women's rights.
[00:20:24]  You don't care about any of these issues.
[00:20:25]  Because the point is, is that this woman has said that she is a woman and that doesn't have any bearing on the crime that she committed.
[00:20:32]  Okay, it's sort of...
[00:20:32]  It has a bearing on the society.
[00:20:34]  It's sort of like, okay, so Shimima Begma, for example, okay, when she went off and she committed acts of terror, we decided that she wasn't going to be British anymore.
[00:20:41]  And a lot of people were very upset about that because she said you can't change someone's citizenship.
[00:20:45]  You can't change someone's nationality.
[00:20:46]  That's something that is.
[00:20:48]  And this is how I would say this is the same situation.
[00:20:51]  Just because this person has done a heinous crime doesn't mean they're no longer in the world.
[00:20:54]  All right, let me mean.
[00:20:55]  Okay, okay.
[00:20:56]  Hang on.
[00:20:56]  Let me bring in Tyrus.
[00:20:57]  He's been sitting patiently on this.
[00:20:59]  I mean, Taurus, this plays into this whole issue of transgender people.
[00:21:05]  It's the grouping.
[00:21:07]  It's transgender, black, alien from Mars.
[00:21:11]  Doesn't matter.
[00:21:12]  Murderer.
[00:21:14]  Serial murderer.
[00:21:16]  Whatever accoutrement or whatever nickname or pronoun this individual had is out the window once he took the life of the victim.
[00:21:27]  The victim's nicknames, the victim's name, the victim's culture should all be talking about.
[00:21:33]  Instead, because whether they're transgendered or not, and like I said, it's that grouping.
[00:21:38]  It's so bad here in America because with grouping, you can get away with all kinds of stuff and blanket stuff and then take away from the actual issue is this individual does not represent trans people.
[00:21:50]  He does not represent himself.
[00:21:55]  He chose whatever he wanted.
[00:21:57]  I listened to you talk for seven, what felt like a year.
[00:22:00]  Give me my 30 seconds and you guys can have the segment.
[00:22:03]  This individual is the only thing we should be focused on.
[00:22:07]  You should know his name.
[00:22:08]  We shouldn't know what he looks like.
[00:22:09]  He should get no press.
[00:22:11]  He can't be made into a martyr.
[00:22:12]  And two, he shouldn't be bringing down the group that he claimed because he doesn't represent the trans community.
[00:22:18]  No one in the trans community wants to walk around killing people.
[00:22:21]  But I've noticed, Tyrus, in my community, if I decide to kill Pierce for bringing me into this fight today, I'm not representing black community.
[00:22:30]  I'm representing Pierce.
[00:22:33]  But he's happy black.
[00:22:34]  But I love you.
[00:22:35]  Thank you.
[00:22:36]  Don't kill me.
[00:22:37]  You actually could kill me with your bare hands.
[00:22:38]  I've actually been close enough.
[00:22:40]  But I'm just saying.
[00:22:41]  No, I get it.
[00:22:42]  If I right now lost my mind and did something, I'm not doing it on behalf of black Americans.
[00:22:47]  No, I understand that.
[00:22:48]  But you would go down.
[00:22:49]  No, but Tyrus did it.
[00:22:51]  Let me respond though.
[00:22:52]  That's the petition.
[00:22:53]  Leave the other stuff out and let's have a real conversation about the individual.
[00:22:56]  No, I get that, but he doesn't represent anybody.
[00:22:58]  Let me respond to that.
[00:22:59]  So here's where I think there's a slight flaw in that argument, which is you say, okay, if you commit a murder, it's not about your skin color, whatever.
[00:23:06]  But it would go down in statistics that a black man had committed a murder, right?
[00:23:11]  So say, for example.
[00:23:12]  It should be the statistics.
[00:23:14]  Statistics are not open to feelings.
[00:23:17]  Feelings are pretty lies.
[00:23:18]  We tell them that.
[00:23:21]  But Torres.
[00:23:21]  The facts of the statistics is a man killed.
[00:23:24]  The women wouldn't be.
[00:23:26]  I agree with you.
[00:23:27]  I'm with you.
[00:23:29]  Yeah, but see, Joe.
[00:23:30]  I'm with you.
[00:23:30]  He should be.
[00:23:31]  You've called this person repeatedly.
[00:23:33]  He's sitting down and he still has a penis, Morgan.
[00:23:36]  He needs to go down as a man.
[00:23:38]  He's a biological man.
[00:23:40]  In the stats, it's off biology.
[00:23:43]  That is J.K. Rowling's.
[00:23:44]  That's J.K. Rowling's argument.
[00:23:47]  No, she doesn't have an argument.
[00:23:48]  She's making a factual statement and she's getting yelled at for it.
[00:23:52]  It's not an argument.
[00:23:53]  She's not breaking the mold here.
[00:23:54]  She didn't drop something.
[00:23:55]  This isn't Harry Potter, some new magic spell she dropped on us.
[00:23:59]  It's been, we all know this.
[00:24:01]  We're all adults in the room.
[00:24:02]  We know what a man is and knows what it looks like.
[00:24:04]  We know what a woman is and looks like.
[00:24:05]  It's just these stupid narratives and trying to fall into whatever side you want to fall.
[00:24:09]  But should it go down, Taris?
[00:24:10]  Taris, the key point, though, is: should it go down as a crime statistic that a woman committed this heinous crime or a man?
[00:24:19]  The statistics should say his height, weight, gender, and the time of murder.
[00:24:23]  That's it.
[00:24:24]  Who cares about who he was as a person?
[00:24:26]  He's lost that right once he took someone else's life.
[00:24:29]  All we care about is making sure that justice is served and he gets put away for whatever they do, whatever you guys do over there.
[00:24:34]  I don't think you guys do the death sentence anymore.
[00:24:35]  So whatever's over there.
[00:24:37]  But when the stats, no name, just the facts, Jack.
[00:24:41]  And he was born.
[00:24:42]  They checked M for male on his birth certificate.
[00:24:45]  That's what you are.
[00:24:46]  His feelings is irrelevant.
[00:24:49]  Okay.
[00:24:50]  In my opinion.
[00:24:51]  All right.
[00:24:52]  It's an interesting debate.
[00:24:53]  And I actually agree with that.
[00:24:54]  I agree with J.K. Rowling.
[00:24:56]  If I was a woman, I'm not, obviously.
[00:24:57]  I'm not declaring myself as a woman today.
[00:24:59]  Maybe tomorrow I will feel like one.
[00:25:01]  Like Conway Vernino, I can just feel like one and be one.
[00:25:04]  I think that is what you said, actually.
[00:25:06]  That's why I said.
[00:25:07]  It's that this person decides they're a woman.
[00:25:09]  That's it.
[00:25:09]  I just think it's correct to say that once you have taken someone else's life, you lose all right to your personhood.
[00:25:16]  And you shouldn't be made a martyr.
[00:25:18]  And I think by having this conversation, having this debate, and J.K. Rowling blowing it up the way that she did, I think that we've actually been focusing on it and hemmed in on it.
[00:25:25]  And you have made a martyr out of this person now.
[00:25:28]  Not at all.
[00:25:28]  No, the martyrdom was done when they said that.
[00:25:30]  No, because imagine if you're the sort of person that loves, you know, loves the limelight, loves being in the spotlight, this is exactly what you wanted.
[00:25:36]  They're probably in prison over time.
[00:25:37]  I think most people are taking more time.
[00:25:38]  Well, they're actually taking an issue with this.
[00:25:39]  This person is in a male prison, actually, as it turned out.
[00:25:42]  I just said it in prison.
[00:25:43]  So it goes down as a woman murderer who's now languishing in a male prison.
[00:25:48]  Okay.
[00:25:48]  Which to me exposes the absurdity of the whole thing.
[00:25:50]  Anyway, let's move on.
[00:25:51]  We'll play a clip.

=== The Mary Poppins Argument (06:48) ===

[00:25:52]  This is about Mary Poppins, of course, has now been deemed racist.
[00:25:56]  Let's take a look.
[00:26:06]  So, this is about the word hot and tots, which in South Africa has been deemed a prescribed word, which can no longer be used.
[00:26:15]  Colonizers of South Africa used the term to refer to the indigenous Koki people, and it's now considered derogatory.
[00:26:23]  And in their ruling, the people who reclassified it as a PG movie rather than a you.
[00:26:28]  So you've got to have parental guidance about whether kids can watch it.
[00:26:32]  So we understand from our racism and discrimination research and recent classification guidelines that a key concern for people, parents in particular, is the potential to expose children to discriminatory language or behavior which they may find distressing or repeat without realizing the potential offense.
[00:26:47]  So let's bring in Torres on this.
[00:26:50]  There are lots of these movies going back, you know, the last 80 years, which will contain words which by today's definition would be deemed offensive.
[00:27:02]  Should we be recategorizing everything over a movie like Mary Poppins?
[00:27:08]  No, I think we're just brittle.
[00:27:12]  I think we're softer than a hard-boiled egg.
[00:27:15]  Yeah, of course, Mary Poppins is racist.
[00:27:18]  I remember watching it as a child and going, my gosh, spoonful of sugars for breakfast.
[00:27:24]  Listen, this is as stupid as it gets.
[00:27:30]  The movie was made in a time period, and I guess nobody has parents anymore, or an uncle, or a grand.
[00:27:36]  And if they were singing it and they said it, like, hey, what's that word?
[00:27:39]  Because guess what?
[00:27:41]  Americans movies got some bad words in it.
[00:27:43]  And sometimes, as best as a parent can do, they're going to say something, they're going to ask you a question.
[00:27:49]  And this is the part as an adult, you say, oh, that was a bad word that was used, and we don't use that word anymore.
[00:27:54]  So we don't say that.
[00:27:55]  So if you hear someone saying that, let daddy know right away and we'll deal with it.
[00:27:58]  That's how we used to deal with things.
[00:28:00]  Now we got to label Mary Poppins as a racist.
[00:28:03]  Did she also have a swastika?
[00:28:05]  Is that why the umbrella flew?
[00:28:07]  I mean, it's stupid.
[00:28:08]  Like this is, we are so safe, apparently, that we have time to go back and pick on Mary Poppins.
[00:28:14]  You want to pick on Mary Poppins?
[00:28:16]  Pick on the sequel.
[00:28:17]  How dare they?
[00:28:18]  Even though Angela Lansberry was in there at the end, the real star was not there.
[00:28:22]  And so therefore, boo.
[00:28:24]  Let's talk about that.
[00:28:25]  Because we have so much time in our hands and we're so safe.
[00:28:28]  The song N-Words in Philadelphia.
[00:28:29]  Mary Poppins.
[00:28:30]  Down with Poppins.
[00:28:31]  The song N-Words in Paris by Jay-Z and Kanye West went platinum.
[00:28:36]  It was one of the most successful songs that year.
[00:28:39]  And for some reason, it doesn't have trigger warnings.
[00:28:41]  You can sing the N-word with impunity.
[00:28:43]  There is no American rapper today that doesn't use the N-word.
[00:28:46]  And I don't see people clutching their pearls.
[00:28:48]  I don't see.
[00:28:49]  Exactly.
[00:28:49]  I don't accept it.
[00:28:50]  But I don't see trigger warnings on all these rappers that use clearly racially derogatory language.
[00:28:55]  But for some reason, they can go back and comb through the archives of history and find the racist things in Mary Poppins, which was appropriate for its time.
[00:29:02]  This is what people do.
[00:29:03]  Well, it reminds me, Ava, it reminds me of when John Legend took it upon himself to rewrite the lyrics to Baby It's Cold Outside, because clearly it wasn't the innocent, flirtatious thing we thought it was, the video from the movie.
[00:29:15]  It was actually a clear sexual assault.
[00:29:18]  And so he rewrote all the lyrics.
[00:29:19]  He's never rewritten any lyrics for any of his rap friends who write about the most appalling misogyny.
[00:29:25]  Right?
[00:29:26]  So there's, again, a rank hypocrisy there.
[00:29:28]  But on Mary Poppins, does anyone even know what Hot and Tots is?
[00:29:33]  Does anybody ever ask?
[00:29:34]  I didn't even know.
[00:29:35]  I didn't know about this scandal until I read that they were having to reclassify.
[00:29:39]  I'm like, why?
[00:29:40]  I hadn't heard about it before either, but I would actually like to pick up on something.
[00:29:42]  I was afraid that the only job I could get was cleaning chimneys if I didn't get my grades up.
[00:29:46]  That's what I was afraid of.
[00:29:47]  I just, Tyrus, I'm a little bit confused because a couple of moments ago, we were talking about gender ideology and you were talking about the books that Livs of TikTok wanted to ban and wanted to have.
[00:29:58]  You said you don't want to ban them, but you'd like to see sort of warnings on them about explicit content.
[00:30:03]  I'm just wondering why would you want explicit content warnings on those sort of books?
[00:30:08]  But then when it comes to this, you're saying that everyone is too soft and it should be parents in the room who should just tell you not to feel the way that you do it.
[00:30:15]  There's explicit warnings on it.
[00:30:16]  Because if there's explicit warning on the books at the library, the children will need parent permission to check them out.
[00:30:22]  So instead of just, or a teacher, or guess what?
[00:30:26]  There's not always good people in the schools or an adult to be giving those types of books to children.
[00:30:31]  So if you're going to have a book in a child's presence where unsupervised children are in the library, it'd be nice to have one section in the library for adult content books or sexuality.
[00:30:42]  Now, is that not the argument that they're making about Mary Poppins?
[00:30:44]  They all have the same thing.
[00:30:46]  So Mary Poppins wasn't talking about getting it on with the old man in the bathtub with a sexy.
[00:30:51]  I don't think that there are any children's books that are specifically.
[00:30:55]  We would have changed the chimney thing would have been something different.
[00:30:58]  So this is what you do.
[00:31:01]  And like I said, I said earlier, I don't know you.
[00:31:03]  You know you better.
[00:31:04]  You're trying to bring, you can't make the argument.
[00:31:06]  So you try to bring in something else.
[00:31:07]  Like, gotcha.
[00:31:08]  Yeah, life is different.
[00:31:10]  I know.
[00:31:11]  It must be very frustrating to have your argument fall apart.
[00:31:14]  It was fun.
[00:31:15]  It was a musical movie.
[00:31:16]  It's different than somebody's life story.
[00:31:18]  But just to be just to be clear here, so you would like trigger warnings on gender ideology.
[00:31:23]  You don't want trigger warnings.
[00:31:26]  It wouldn't be an issue.
[00:31:27]  Right.
[00:31:27]  Parents aren't at school to see what books their children are getting.
[00:31:30]  I think your arguments fall in.
[00:31:32]  Or a letter sent home to parents saying, we're going to be having this book talking about this stuff.
[00:31:37]  Are you okay with that?
[00:31:38]  The movies you usually watch with your family.
[00:31:40]  So they're two different subjects, but I guess you're running out of time.
[00:31:44]  Okay.
[00:31:44]  Well, you know what?
[00:31:45]  I think we're going to be able to do this.
[00:31:46]  We're going to start bringing in something else.
[00:31:47]  Call me, maybe I can be a toxic, masculine, alpha male woman.
[00:31:51]  But I didn't say anything like that about you.
[00:31:53]  You ask for a real conversation, and then I offer you a real conversation, and you just talk over me.
[00:31:58]  I want books on World War II with death pictures in it.
[00:32:02]  I want boxing pictures with blood in it to let the parents know what their kids are reading.
[00:32:07]  God forbid.
[00:32:08]  This actually reminds me that we need to know what our kids are reading.
[00:32:11]  This debate reminds me of Julie Andrews and Dick Van Dyke bickering on Mary Poppins.
[00:32:17]  I actually really like this dynamic.
[00:32:19]  There's only one Mary Poppins, and it's Julie Andrews.
[00:32:22]  Just putting that out there.
[00:32:23]  This is a super califragilistic expialidocious debate.
[00:32:26]  And I'm loving the dynamic between you and Ava.
[00:32:29]  I think we have to repeat this.
[00:32:32]  Oh, anytime.
[00:32:33]  Thank you.
[00:32:34]  Listen, it's been great to have you, Torres, as always.
[00:32:35]  Thank you, Ava.
[00:32:36]  Thank you, Esther.
[00:32:37]  Interesting debates today.
[00:32:38]  Thank you, Frank.
[00:32:38]  Thanks for having me on.
[00:32:39]  I enjoyed it.
[00:32:40]  Thank you.