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Jan. 23, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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NHS Doctor Banned for Terror Views 00:14:40
Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored, the NHS suspends a GP who was moonlighting as the leader of a terrorist movement that's now banned in Britain.
Should he keep his job?
We'll debate that.
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Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Good evening, Roland.
Welcome to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Dr. Abdul Wahid is the public face and British leader of a controversial Islamist movement which glorified the Hamas attacks and chanted the jihad on the streets of London.
He's also a longtime NHS GP doctor, at least for now.
Today the NHS in London confirmed it suspended Dr. Waheed after his controversial appearance on this show and the newspaper reports about him.
Referring to the doctor by his legal name, a spokesman told us this morning, we take any issues relating to professional conduct seriously and have procedures in place to make sure that individuals are fit to work in the NHS.
We can confirm that Dr. Waheed Shaida, the Shader, has been suspended from the NHS primary care performance list.
Well, last month, Dr. Waheed, under his other name, was brave enough to appear on Uncensored.
Brave?
Hmm.
You can judge for yourself how it went.
1,200 people were massacred.
I think 1,200 people were killed.
Were they massacred?
Yeah, they were killed.
Right, by terrorists.
They were killed by people who were resisting an occupation.
And they're terrorists.
Yeah, well, that's your view.
It is my view.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Have you never heard that?
Well, many people who saw that interview were shot as someone who cast doubt on whether the October 7th attacks had even taken place, let alone not considering Hamas to be terrorists after it, and dismissing any civilian deaths as collateral, an act of resistance, could remain working in the National Health Service with a salary paid by the British taxpayer.
But at the same time, it was reasonable to debate whether radical opinions have any real bearing on someone's ability to practice medicine.
After all, people have opinion, have every right to opinions that others find offensive.
That is why he was invited to the show in the first place.
But Dr. Waheed is now effectively the head of a prescribed terror group and is prescribed as a terror group not just here in the UK now, but in numerous other countries too.
And there is no defense for that.
Hisbut Tahrir is a global Islamist movement which advocates for an Islamic caliphate under Sharia law.
In this country, they made headlines for denouncing LGBT filth, as they put it, and calling for an end to the Western world order.
It's outlawed in plenty of other countries, like Germany, Egypt, several Arab states.
Last week, the British Parliament officially designated it as a terrorist organisation.
That means membership or support for Hizbut Tahrir is now illegal, carrying a prison sentence of up to 14 years.
Now, to be clear, I've not called for Dr. Wahid to be suspended, fired, or cancelled.
But I did question whether his views made him fit to serve patients, many of whom, by his own admission, don't even know about his double life because he uses two separate names.
Now, he is the head of an officially prescribed terrorist organisation, and the whole argument becomes a lot simpler.
It is frankly untenable for him to be working in the NHS.
And if he wants any hope of continuing those duties, he needs to start doing something he repeatedly failed to do on this show last time, distance himself publicly from terrorists and terrorism.
Well, joining me now is the author, podcast, host, and comedian, Konstantin.
Jesse, Konstantin, great to see you.
What do you make of this story?
Extraordinary that for decades this guy had been operating in North London as a GP, and yet in his other vocation, he was leading the UK arm of a group that was already considered a terror group by many other countries and is now also considered that way in this country.
Right, and you should put some we should put some meat on the bones of that because you mentioned the group is banned in Egypt, Germany, and a few other countries.
Actually, Piers, as you probably know, the group is banned in almost every Muslim country in the world.
Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country in the world, has banned his Buttaria.
Pakistan, Bangladesh, almost every Arab country in the Middle East has banned his Buttaria.
So the question I think we really ought to be asking is: why did the British government allow these Islamists to operate in Britain for as long as they did?
Now, coming to your point about whether he should be suspended from the NHS, as you know, I think both you and I are very wary of people being banned or censored in some way for the opinions that they express.
But I think most British people would draw the line of being a member or indeed the head of a now proscribed terrorist organization.
And of course, we also got to remember there is a difference between a guy stacking shelves in the supermarket and someone who is a GP who would be seeing patients, know intimate details about them, know their ethnicity, religion, and have the power of, in some situations, life and death over people.
So I think it's a very different case.
And I've got absolutely no problem with terrorist sympathizers being prevented from working in the National Health Service.
Right.
And to be, you know, to be clear about what his views were post-October the 7th, he gave a talk on YouTube and he said this.
Hideen, they gave the enemy a punch on the nose.
All right.
And it's a very welcome punch on the nose.
Welcome punch on the nose, which is 1,200 people, including at least 800 innocent civilians, including many children, women, being brutally murdered, raped, in some cases beheaded.
That was apparently a very welcome punch on the nose, says an NHS doctor whose salary is paid by the British taxpayer.
I mean, I think for that alone, unless he renounces what he said there very clearly and firmly, there could be no way back for him.
Well, quite.
And I think, you know, if he were to renounce it, I think we'd all question how legitimate and how sincere that renunciation would be, given his body of work, let's say, on this issue.
I think there are some people who've been tolerated for far too long in our country.
And members of his Buttaria, which is now thankfully prescribed, if they're not citizens of this country, I think the British people will be asking, why are they still here?
Yeah, because we had in October the same Waheed addressing a rally outside the Egyptian and Turkish embassies in London during which she told the crowd victory is coming.
Everyone has to choose a side.
Another senior member, Mazir Khan, of the same now terror group, said, What is the solution to liberate people in a concentration camp called Palestine?
And they chanted back jihad jihad jihad.
We've got a clip of this.
I mean, you know, there's been lots of debate about the pro-Palestinian marches.
I'm going to come to some fascinating footage that you've done for a film about those.
And, you know, many people are there legitimately marching for peace.
I completely get that.
But when you have people on the streets of London chanting jihad, jihad, jihad, that is unacceptable.
And you will remember, Piers, that the Met police shamefully, instead of dealing with those people under the law of this country, instead, what they did is they said, well, jihad has many meanings, and essentially pretended not to understand what those people were calling for.
But as you say, people have a right to protest.
People should speak freely and express themselves.
And by the way, I think actually, you know, you and I both take a lot of plaque for so-called platforming people with the wrong opinions.
I actually think this is a very good example of a situation in which allowing people to speak freely and express their horrific opinions in public is a thing, a method that allows them to express those opinions and then for the public, frankly, to take a position on whether those people should be serving them in the public health service, should be in our country if they're not citizens of this country.
And I actually think you've done a very good job, Piers, of bringing these people into the light and letting them hang themselves with their own rope.
Yeah, I mean, people said you exposed him and you've got him suspended.
No, he exposed himself by expressing very firmly his own views, which were supportive of Hamas, which is a prescribed terror group in this country.
So that was in itself illegal, actually what he was doing.
And now he is the head of an organization that's just been designated as a terror group, and that is also illegal.
So there's a lot of crime being committed here by this NHS doctor.
Never mind anything else.
I didn't expose that.
He was doing it himself.
I want to bring in now the economist and come and say to Dajah Ali.
Dajjah, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
What do you make of this story?
This guy is an NHS doctor for many decades.
I'm sure there'll be plenty of his patients.
He'd say he's a perfectly good doctor.
What's it got to do with that, that he has these views?
But now the UK government has prescribed the organization that he runs in the UK as a terrorist organization.
Is his position as a doctor here untenable?
Well, listen, this show is called Uncensored, and I think all of us agree that in a free society, we should have something what we have in America, the First Amendment.
Freedom of worship, free speech, freedom of assembly.
And unfortunately, there are elements, extremist elements within our society that we tolerate.
That doesn't mean that we agree with them.
That doesn't mean that we support them.
That doesn't mean we endorse them.
Like, I'll give you an example.
Hizbateria has been an annoyance, an annoyance in my life.
They're here in America.
They're all around.
They have these aspirational dreams of a caliphate that will never happen.
And some of them have very hateful views, right?
They do not like me at all.
In this particular situation, though, you have to realize that several British governments have tried to commit hizbotharia as a terror organization.
This is not the first, right?
But they haven't found any actionable threats.
In this particular climate, in the past three months, as you know, you had your former Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, not really a fan of, I would say, Muslim or Muslim immigrants, who during these protests were a bunch of these nuts, sparsely populated protests, yelled the word jihad and apparently praised Hamas.
She wanted to expose them, right?
She said, look into it.
And then now in the past two weeks, you finally have exposed them as a terror group, quote-unquote, terror group, but there are zero actionable terror threats.
So what happens in this situation?
It reminds me, Piers, as an American, of a post-9-11 climate where he had 19 foreign Muslim hijackers who brought down the two towers and the country lost its mind and used that as a giant net to go after a bunch of Muslims.
We did a registry program.
We deported 13,000 immigrants.
We literally had the NYPD, Piers, in this country surveil Muslim mosques, Muslim students, Muslim grocery stores, right?
Anyone who said the wrong word, people were kicked off of planes for saying Arabic words.
So I'm sitting here and I'm listening to your conversation and I think you did the right thing.
These nuts who exist, right?
You expose them, you marginalize them, you bring them on, and then they go into the fringes of society.
In America, we have the KKK.
In America, if you look at this, there's a capital right behind me.
There are people who did a violent insurrection against the United States in that capital.
We have elected officials in America who call those people political prisoners and martyrs.
They're elected.
People who incited violence against our law enforcement.
So I think what I hope you're not doing, and I feel like you're doing, is this giant net, this giant hammer to crush them.
I think it will not make things better in Great Britain and in Europe.
And I think it will give fuel and fodder to extremists on both sides.
The right-wing militant nationalists, the white nationalists who attacked the police after Home Secretary Braverman's article, you remember that?
And also these fringe elements, I think it will further radicalize them.
I don't think this is what you do in a free society, but that's just me speaking on your show called Uncle.
Well, you know what?
It's a nonsensical show, and you raised some very interesting and valid points.
Constance, what's your reaction to what Bajah had said there?
Well, my reaction is I encourage all our viewers to go and watch an interview with the UAE foreign minister given in 2017 in which he warned Western governments that their obsession with political correctness, his words, not mine, and being unwilling to deal with Islamic extremism in the way that it should be dealt with, will lead to more terrorism and more violent crime in their countries.
And that interview has gone super viral on the internet precisely because of how prophetic it was.
If, as I said earlier, almost every Muslim country in the world considers these people to be Islamic extremists who are to be banned, I think we should be learning from them on how to deal with these people instead of thinking that we in our liberal society are able to integrate all these people.
These people do not belong in this country and their views do not belong in this country.
And as I say, if they're not citizens of this country, they should not be here.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
When I walk around now, because there's been loads of memes about me because of all the big interviews we've done, and it always has me dressed up as some reporter saying, do you condemn Hamas to inappropriate people all the time?
And I get asked in Master Nader, do you condemn Hamas?
Like it's a joke.
And I said, you know, I always reply to people, you know, you have to start with that question.
Do you condemn what Hamas did on October the 7th?
And do you accept it's a terrorist attack?
Because if you can't accept that, Bajahat, to me, if you can't accept that basic fact, which we saw not because people invented those monstrosities they committed, but because they openly, brazenly broadcast them to the world through their own technology because they were proud of what they were committing.
I don't think if you don't start from a position that you condemn what Hamas did, I don't really have much time for you.
Then why are you in a democracy?
Why do you claim to be an enlightened government?
Why are you any different from authoritarian Muslim countries that crack down on any group they don't like?
There's a reason why we have the First Amendment.
There's a reason why you have a freedom of assembly, of association, of free speech, because like Voltaire said, I don't agree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Free Speech vs Terrorist Membership Laws 00:07:33
That doesn't mean you like them.
I'll give you an example.
United States.
We have the KKK, an actual terrorist group that committed terrorism against black and white Americans.
They still exist.
They have the right to assembly.
They do their stupid marches like cowards.
They put on their masks.
I don't know if you saw that viral video.
It went viral that a bunch of them wearing white masks in New York got stuck at a turnstile because they didn't know how to use the New York subway station.
Just exquisite.
It was like a Melbrook scene.
But they exist.
We had literally people saying the Jews will not replace us.
And Donald Trump said they're very fine people.
We literally have people, like I said, going against this capital right here, committing a violent insurrection.
But for some strange reason, when the number one domestic terror threat in America and also increasingly in Europe and the UK is white terrorists, white nationalist terrorists, white extremists, I never hear anyone say, you know what?
We should ban them.
We should deport them.
Oh, what instead hear is they have economic anxiety.
The double standard here at play has to be exposed, right?
And I want people to really think about what they're really advocating.
If someone doesn't like your speech, you know what?
You're not just going to be not tolerated, you're going to be deported, especially if you're a person of color.
How does that make a multiracial society that is both the UK and America safer and better, especially, and I'm speaking now as an American, and you know in the UK, the rising domestic terror threat is not Islamic extremism, which by the way exists.
It is white nationalist extremism.
Not a single word about that, but I hear all these free speech advocates, all these people who are all about Western civilization, all of a sudden turn to censorship and all of a sudden become authoritarian when it comes to Muslims and people of you.
Why is that?
Hang on.
Piers, let me educate your guest a little bit about his own country.
Oh, please educate me.
Nobody's tortured.
I'm about to.
Be quiet and I will.
Now, first of all, nobody's calling for people to be deported because of their views.
We have laws in this country against organizations that are prescribed as terrorists.
And I have no problem with terrorists being removed from this country under the laws of this country.
Secondly, Donald Trump never said that the people calling for the eradication of Jews will fine people.
If you go and look at his quotes, he actually condemned them and said they should be condemned absolutely.
But the people who were there protesting about the statues, they were the ones that were fine people.
Now, you should educate yourself about those things.
And thirdly, you should educate about the fact that, regrettably, I would quite like to have a First Amendment here in the UK.
We do not have a First Amendment.
And I would have a lot more sympathy with your argument if we hadn't spent the last 10 years watching people be sacked from their jobs for saying women are women and men are men.
Yeah, and I would also add that when you say that I'm not respecting free speech, Vajah, when I say I don't respect people who won't condemn Hamas, they're in...
I didn't say you.
No, no, but they can say it.
They can say it.
I just don't have to respect it.
It's a bit like when I block people on Twitter.
You don't have to respect it.
But when I block people on X, for example, or formerly Twitter, and people say, well, you're suppressing their free speech.
No, I'm not.
They can still tweet what the hell they like.
I just don't have to read it.
I don't have to hear it.
You know, that actually is what free speech is.
And the First Amendment, which is one of the most powerful protectors of free speech in the world, it doesn't cover many things from child pornography to defamation to all sorts of stuff is not protected by the First Amendment.
And nobody, I don't think, who looks at this sensibly would say that a terror group that espouses not just hatred, but violent hatred and the mass killing of people, that is never protected by free speech, is it?
And should it be?
It shouldn't be.
But listen, this is interesting.
Speaking about education, allow me to retort and educate.
And I'll give you an example about the double standards.
And I want you guys to really respond to this.
Speaking about terrorism and violence, on the platform you mentioned, X, also known as Twitter, one of the wealthiest men, Elon Musk, has repeatedly promoted the replacement theory, anti-anti-Semitic conspiracy that blames Jews for trying to weaken and replace Western civilization with Muslims and immigrants and LGBTQ communities, right?
That conspiracy theory has radicalized individuals to commit violence against Jews, against Muslims, against black people, against Latinos.
That conspiracy has been retweeted and platformed and mainstreamed by the Republican Party, people like Elise Stefanik and Donald Trump, who, by the way, dined with Nick Fuentes, the leading white nationalist leader in America.
You guys are fine with that.
When it comes to any other...
Wait a minute.
I wrote a whole column.
I wrote a whole column condemning it.
What are you talking about?
Good.
But you're not going to deport them, right?
Are you going to deport them?
Are you going to call them out for literally being conspiracy?
People who are citizens, who are not citizens of the country, should be deported if they're members of a terrorist group.
Why don't you understand the distinction between a member of a terrorist and saying something like that?
Should US and UK government and national security go after these groups and these elected officials and these organizations that have literally repeated and mainstreamed a conspiracy that has motivated terrorists to commit terrorism?
Anyone who's a member of a terrorist group should be prosecuted under the law of the country in which they are a terrorist group.
That's not what I asked.
That's not what I asked.
Well, but that's what I said.
So you were challenging me about something.
And I'm very curious.
People are very curious why you are not concerned about this.
But in this instance, I didn't say I wasn't concerned about it.
I said you can't deport citizens of the country in which they live, A.
And B, I keep pointing out to you that the person we're talking about in this case, this NHS GP, he is a member of a terrorist group.
We're not talking about him having the wrong opinions.
People are allowed to have the wrong opinions, both in this country and in your country.
It's something that we all celebrate as part of the heritage of Western civilization.
And we would all, I hope, defend.
The issue here is we have laws in this country about being a member of a terrorist group.
And people who are members of a terrorist group, I hope you would agree with me, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
And if they are prosecuted to the extent of law and they are foreign citizens, should be deported.
Will we agree on that?
Will you agree on that?
And I'll also say this, for those who are watching, especially the youth, there's a great meme, a family guy meme, where there's a chart of who gets to be labeled a terrorist and who doesn't.
The front part of the chart is when you have light skin, you're not a terrorist.
When it gets to the bottom of the race, people like you always bring race into it.
It's got nothing to do with race and everything to do with people who kill people.
Yes, people like you race-based.
I've not heard you.
Yes.
And I have not heard you really express this much outrage against the number one domestic terror threat against all our communities in America and the UK, which is rising white nationalism.
I am a dark skinned first-generation immigrant to the UK.
I don't play your racial games.
Stop using your skin color as a way to shut other people up and let's talk about the issue.
The issue here is should we tolerate foreign terrorists?
Let's deport people and should we remove them?
And my opinion is we should remove people who are not conducive to this country.
And if someone like me, first generation immigrant, comes here and wants to be a terrorist, it is first-generation immigrants like me that are at the front of the queue to get them out.
Deporting Those Who Threaten Society 00:06:19
Okay.
It's been a fascinating debate.
Remove people.
It's been a fascinating debate.
People are terrorists, yes.
I actually think, Vajan, to be fair to you, I do think that the white nationalism-related terrorist acts that we see increasingly is never played up as much, actually, as Islamist terror was, particularly in the heyday of al-Qaeda and ISIS.
I think it's a perfectly valid point to make, for what it's worth.
I think I've made that point actually before.
Before I let you go, Constantine, you've done a lot of filming With the pro-Palestinian marches in London, what did you find?
Well, I actually went over the last few months, Piers.
We went to the protest against anti-Semitism.
We went to two pro-Palestine protests.
We went to an extinction rebellion protest, which was very, very funny.
I encourage people to go and watch that.
But the latest pro-Palestine protest in particular, there were some fascinating scenes.
And, you know, we really tried to talk to people with an open mind.
I don't have actually, contrary to the discussion we've just had, a particularly strong position on it.
I'm interested really in getting people's views.
And one of the things that came through very strongly is young people in particular, of whom there are many, the way I would kind of describe the demographic side, it's a mixture of sort of beards and headscarves on the one hand and septum piercings and coloured hair on the other.
The young people who are there in particular, when you ask some very, very basic questions, you know, from which river to which.
Well, let's take a look at a clip actually.
We've got a clip with some of this.
Let's watch it here.
So I just noticed the signs that you've got from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
What does that mean?
Well, it's quite self-expansion.
How would that come about?
What would happen to the Israelis, etc.
I don't know.
I'm trying to think of how to word it.
Isn't it just a self-expansion as the area of land?
It's Palestine's land.
What's a socialist intifada?
If I'm being honest with you, I just got this at the stand over there.
I don't actually know the definition of the word intifada.
I mean, it's kind of laughable.
I don't think for a moment that a lot of people on that march are that ignorant about it.
A lot of them clearly are well informed and are absolutely marching because they want peace and they want to cease fire in Gaza.
I completely understand that.
But Vajah, when you hear that, there are a lot of young people joining up in these marches who are completely clueless.
And I actually blame TikTok more than anything, which is the number one news source now for kids under 25 and spews just relentless nonsense into their heads.
And that's where they get their news.
This is where I'm going to stand up for the youth.
If you look at the youth, it's been a stunning change where most youth people, youth here and abroad, are actually, if you will, pro-Palestinian and want the occupation to end.
And the flip side to that, Piers, I would say, is the following.
For those who are watching, we're the same when it comes to Facebook.
We're the same when it comes to X, and we're the same when it comes to mainstream media.
You are a breath of fresh air because you allow multiple opinions to come on, you know, talk about Palestinian side and Israeli side.
In America, you know that this wasn't the case.
And so for those people who are terrified by the TikTok, just think about what limited viewpoints that you got for 30, 40 years.
And now, for better and for worse, this young generation is exposed to multiple narratives and they see for themselves what's happening, which is why you see the shift in which a lot of people, especially in Israel and here, are horrified by the Nenyahu government, want an end to the occupation, want to ceasefire, hate Hamas, hate extremists in the Nenyahu government, and believe that Palestinians have a right to freedom.
Yeah, well, they certainly do, in my estimation.
But there is one clip, Constantine, which really got to me.
It was about me.
Let's take a look.
So I see you've got a sign that there's journalism that gets paid for selling lies.
And I'm guessing that's Piers Morgan, right?
Why do you say that this is journalism that's selling lies?
It's very obvious what is going on.
All the lies about what happened on October 7th, the justification for the genocide.
They're all based on lies.
When you say lies about October 7th, what do you mean?
All those allegations that we never saw any footages of, of decapitated children that Piers Morgan always asked about, and all those women that got gang raped.
I mean, it was quite extraordinary, Constantine, because one of the problems with platforming everybody, actually, for the last three months is you end up with the extremes on both sides hating you with equal vengeance and often being completely ill-informed, actually, about what I've actually said.
But it was enlightening to see that because I see that all day long on social media, that kind of view, which is really based on a lack of reality.
Well, there was a lot of that going on in the protest.
And interestingly, I mean, you say most people there are well-informed.
We released in that half an hour documentary that people can go to Trigonometry, our YouTube channel and watch, we released every single interview that we did.
So we haven't cherry-picked these moments to make people look bad or anything like that.
It contains, they're shortened down, but they are basically the content of what people said to us.
And I have to say, most of the people we spoke to, A, didn't really seem that actually that well-informed, most of them.
And secondly, I would say there was an awful lot of the sort of thing you just heard where people have some kind of way of pretending October 7th didn't happen.
In fact, the first person you see in the video talks about how it's a false flag operation.
There seems to be a lot of that going on too, where people are sort of, they sort of wish away the terrorist attack on October 7th.
And it makes sense because if you're calling for a ceasefire and you're calling on Israel to unilaterally essentially engage in the ceasefire, you have to pretend October 7th didn't happen because otherwise you'd be calling on Hamas to hand over the hostages and the terrorists who took them because that's how you get a ceasefire.
Yeah, I mean, one of the biggest blow-ups I had, Vajah, was after that interview with that doctor, actually, in which I'd already read out some quotes from another member of his group talking about LGBT filth, feminist filth, really horrible, homophobic, misogynist stuff, which this guy had been caught saying.
Learning From America's War Mistakes 00:02:48
And the doctor is the leader of the UK arms, as one of his people.
And then he talks about people who want now to, women in particular, who want now to become Muslim.
I said, what, to live under oppression?
And what I meant was the oppression that had been spouted by this guy.
You know, I'm not remotely anti-Muslim.
I'm not remotely anti-Islam.
I led the media campaign in this country against the Iraq war, for example.
I led the defense of Qatar for its right to have the World Cup and expose a lot of Western hypocrisy about the Christians and so on.
So I really am not remotely anti-Muslim.
I was talking about the kind of interpretation of Islam and Muslim world that members of that group espouse, which is vile against women.
So if you want them to come into that world, it is oppressive.
But it was interesting to me to watch the ferocious explosion on social media, which bore no relation to the context of why I said what I said.
If I may, I've been in this for a long time.
I was 21 years old when 9-11 happened.
I was a Muslim-American college student.
And let me just, if I may, explain to your viewers the double standard that the rest of us feel.
Just very quickly.
Muslims are asked for the past 20 years to condemn violent acts done by violent people we've never met.
When I came on your show last time, you remember that.
It was a nutty guest who accused me of being Hamas simply because I'm Muslim.
And I had to condemn every single violent extremist organization.
That's a double standard that never happens to any other group.
And I hope it doesn't happen to any other group.
The second thing is the most extreme violent members of our quote-unquote community are used to define us.
The most extreme violent reprehensible people are used to define the religion of 1.8 billion people.
That does not happen to other groups, right?
Imagine if I said, all white people are defined by the KKK or Donald Trump.
And each and every single time you're on TV, I'm asking you, what do you say about these white nationalist groups?
What do you say about Donald Trump?
Aren't you ashamed?
Have you condemned them?
You're like, why are you asking me?
And most of my friends aren't like that.
And then finally, the warning I want to give, the warning I want to give here is you and I, Pierce, had the foresight to see the devastation of the war and terror.
You and I were the ones 20 years ago who were against it.
For those who are watching, especially in the UK, learn from the America's mistakes.
When you use fear and anger and rage to create domestic foreign policies, it leads to extremism, it leads to divisions.
We had a war against Iraq and Afghanistan.
We had a quagmire.
We had people being deported.
We had a chilling effect.
We had a trust deficit between law enforcement and American Muslim communities.
We had to rise in hate crimes.
Learn from our mistakes and don't let the worst of you and your worst fears contaminate what you have in the UK, which is a multiracial society.
Houthis Act Responsibly in Red Sea 00:06:12
You still have hope.
Dajak, thank you very much indeed for joining me, especially at late notice, as it was today.
We appreciate it.
Konstantin, always great to have you on.
I commend that film you've made.
It's very enlightening.
People can go see it on the trigonometry website, which is well worth half an hour of your time.
Thank you both very much.
Well, on sense, the next, the US and UK launched fresh strikes on Houthis in Yemen.
They say it's to de-escalate tensions and restore stability in the Red Sea.
But are they doing the exact opposite?
Should the West butt out of the Middle East, debating that next?
Welcome back to Oncensa.
The US and UK have unleashed a series of joint fresh airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen.
The strikes targeted an underground storage site, missiles and other military capabilities.
In a joint statement, they said their aim remains to de-escalate tensions and restore stability in the Red Sea.
Rishi Sunak went one step further, calling it self-defense.
We urge the Houthis and those who enable them to stop these illegal and unacceptable attacks.
But if necessary, the United Kingdom will not hesitate to respond again in self-defense.
So is it self-defense?
And are the strikes doing anything but de-escalating the situation in the Middle East or escalating them?
Joining me now to discuss this is the son of the IDF general, Matti Pelled, who is now a Palestinian activist, Miko Pelled, and Yemeni journalist Luay Ahmed.
Well, welcome to both of you.
Let me start with you, Viko.
To me, it seems pretty straightforward.
You've got a bunch of Houthis who are firing rockets to try and stop, I think it's nearly 15% of the world's trade, maybe more, coming through the Red Sea.
And they have to be stopped, don't they?
Well, thanks for having me on the show, Piers.
I would frame it slightly differently.
I think what we're seeing is Yemeni forces acting responsibly in response to a genocide taking place in Palestine.
And we've seen over the last month or so, excuse me, three months or so, we've seen a heightening of the genocide with the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians being massacred.
What does that have to do with the Houthis in Yemen, with all respect?
Well, the international community has to act.
If the international community does not act to stop Israel, nothing will.
And countries around the world need to act.
And I think what the Yemeni forces are doing are one of the only responsible actions that we've seen.
The other one, of course, has been the South Africans with a petition to the ICJ.
The international community cannot continue to ignore what is happening in Palestine, a 75-year-old genocide and an apartheid regime.
And when one country decides to step up and do the responsible thing and respond, they're being bombed by the Americans.
What is responsible?
What is responsible for firing rockets at cargo ships coming through the Red Sea?
What is responsible?
What about that?
Well, what is responsible is, first of all, The blockade of the Babil Mandab is an act of resistance.
It's an act in response to the lack of action, the severe criminal lack of action by the rest of the world.
I think that's what Iran.
I think that's listening.
I would say, I want to come to my other guest.
Is the issue?
All right, let me come to Luai Ahmed.
You can't take it out of context here.
Well, actually, you shouldn't bring it.
I think it's being deliberately conflated.
It's being deliberately conveyed into context because Iran wants people to think that way.
Let me bring in Luay Ahmed.
Let me bring in Luay Ahmed, please.
The other guest.
Lua, your view of what you just heard.
Yeah, I think it's actually quite insulting to say that what the Houthis are doing are acting responsibly.
The Houthis took over Yemen, northern Yemen by force.
They slaughtered people, they killed people.
It is a terrorist group that acts with violence and does not care about the Yemenis.
Ever since the Houthis took over northern Yemen, more than 21 million Yemenis are in need of humanitarian aid.
More than 10 million Yemeni children are starving.
So if the Houthis were to act responsibly, they would take care of their own people.
They would take care of their own starving population.
Yemen is the biggest humanitarian crisis in the Middle East, and it's been perpetrated also by a war with Saudi Arabia that happened because they took over the northern part of Yemen.
So the Houthis should mind their own business and care about their own people who live in famine.
The Yemenis do not need another war.
And one of the reasons that many people in the West are supporting Houthis and supporting their actions is because they're just looking for any hero to bomb Israel.
I mean, even if Hitler was alive today and he started bombing Israel, they would all call him a hero because they blindly hate Israel and they cannot see the nuances.
And most of them don't even know the slightest bit of the Houthis because the Houthis are not a country like he says.
They're a militia.
They're a sect that took over the northern part of Yemen.
They're not the legitimate power in Yemen, but they took over the country by force.
So they don't really have any legitimacy as an internationally recognized government.
And they're also backed by Iran, which is trying to impose its power on the rest of the Middle East.
And I mean, I need not tell you about what Iran has been doing in the Middle East for the past 20, 30 years.
They've also assassinated all of their secular leaders.
Next month, they're assassinating Fatim al-Awri, who is a human rights advocate who has been criticizing them.
So it's kind of insulting to say that they're acting responsibly just because they're attacking.
To be honest, I've heard both sides now.
I just think the idea it's responsible is for the birds.
It's utterly irresponsible.
It's warmongering.
It's deliberately inflammatory.
It's at Iran's behest.
And they're getting the bloody nose they deserve from the US and UK who are trying to preserve nearly 15% of the world's trade from going down in the Red Sea.
I can't think of anything more responsible than the response that's coming their way.
Hollywood Awards Ignore Patriarchy Issues 00:04:35
Anyway, thank you both very much indeed.
I appreciate it.
And so it's a next.
It's the movie about female empowerment and dismantling the patriarchy.
So why have the leading ladies of Babi missed out on the major Oscars nods?
And Ken has got one.
Is it a victory in the end for the patriarchy?
You're ready next.
Talk about Baby is the pop service Smash of the Year, grossing over a billion pounds worldwide.
It's a movie about female empowerment and dismantling the patriarchy.
You'd expect its star Margot Robbin director Greta Gerby to be recognized at the Oscars, but the leading ladies missed out on being recognized as best director or best actress in those categories.
He said Ken, played by Ryan Gosling, has got a nomination for Best Supporting Actor.
So the patriarchy wins, and Ken has the last laugh.
Joining me now to discuss this is our Keep host, Tommy Lehran, talk to your contributor, Paula Rone, Adrian, and podcaster and comedian James Barr.
Tommy, I've got to say, I did laugh out loud at seeing that Ken gets the last laugh.
The patriarchy wins.
Yeah, again, the people that are so fired up about this, I just find it so interesting.
You know, they want Hollywood to be all about DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.
Only certain people can be nominated.
Only certain people can win because otherwise you're going to upset the diversity quota and the quotient that they need to hit in order for everything to be acceptable.
Hollywood is eating its own tail here.
And then it's unfair because Margot and Greta were not nominated.
Marica Ferreira nominated.
Ken obviously nominated with Ryan Gosling.
But they're mad that these two ladies weren't nominated.
By the way, other female directors nominated.
So to me, it's much ado about nothing.
I liked the Barbie film.
I didn't think it was necessarily the most challenging role for Margot Robbie to play a doll.
I didn't think that that really took maybe a lot outside of her normal life to portray that character.
But Piers, if we want to talk about unfairness and the patriarchy, let's talk about biological men competing against women and sports.
I want to see Hollywood get fired up about that one and how unfair the patriarchy is there.
Exactly right, Tommy Larry.
That's right.
That's a ridiculous thing.
I can see you two agreeing.
What a ridiculous thing to just throw in at the end of a chat about Hollywood.
That's insane.
Also, it's not about what is acceptable.
It's about what is deserved, right?
And I'm sorry, but Greta Gerwig deserved to be nominated.
But I thought the movie was awful.
Greta.
I thought it played up to every stereotypical nonsense.
Barbie was brilliant.
All the other Barbies were brilliant.
Ken was a knuckle.
I'll tell you what's awful.
And by the way, the only thing that works is extermination of the patriarchy and let women rule the world.
Yes, and they based it all.
They based it all on this company who supposedly had all men in this boardroom.
Turns that around and see it's half men, half women.
The whole thing's based on a lie.
Honestly, the worst thing about this is that it's a huge snub for Greta.
And it's like the Oscars looked at Will Smith and went, who can we slap in the face this year?
Well, maybe it wasn't that good a movie.
I didn't think it was.
Well, the BAFTAs think that it is.
And frankly, lots of people who have seen it agree that it's a great movie.
I appreciate you've obviously watched it.
Because man mocking Tosh.
Well, and we can see why you didn't watch it.
And I think it's interesting.
And a man's had the last laugh.
And I think it's interesting that you're focusing on the patriarchy as if somehow you clearly missed the message that the movie was trying to.
I got the message.
All men are awful.
It's the same message we saw when Gillette suddenly decided that all men who use their products are awful and Harvey Weinstein look alikes unless they can prove otherwise.
Oh, you're still a victim, aren't you?
Yes, but we are a downtrodden oppressed.
Oh, God, that's good.
We know, don't we, that when we talk about patriarchy, the reality of patriarchy is about, for example, the fact that women are still not paid the same as men.
We're looking at still more than 100% of the world.
Do you know how much Margot Robbie has made from Barbie?
Hang on.
Do you know how much Margot Robbie is won from Barbie?
It's not awful.
Because she also produced it through a production company.
I last heard we're talking north of 100 mil.
You're doing okay in Hollywood.
I mean, we're doing all right.
We're not talking about the exception to the rule argument here, Piers, because we know that that never wins.
I'll tell you something.
But interestingly enough, no matter how much she earns, she's still not good enough.
Look, I love it.
By the way, I love Margot Robbie.
I hated Barbie.
I think she will win an Oscar for something else and she'll deserve it.
Greta Gerwig, very talented, wrote a movie Bashing Men.
And a man, someone who gets nominated.
It's perfect.
It's an awful way to simply do it.
Prince Harry Named Living Legend 00:05:15
I know, but it's true.
It's also true.
I want to ask Tommy about another oppressed man, Prince Harry, who went to this extraordinary event in Hollywood where he was declared a living legend of aviation.
And no one's quite sure why.
What did you make of this?
Well, I'll tell you, as much as I hate to say this, Hollywood can have Harry and Meghan.
That's probably the only place they're useful at this point.
They're still living out their 15 minutes of fame.
I think it's going to dwindle.
But I would say, Pierce, we should just stop talking about them.
We should stop shining the light on them.
And then they will scurry.
They will go away.
We breathe life into them by giving them attention.
They really have no talent.
They really have not much to offer.
So we stop talking about them, and I think their light will dim even faster than it's already going to.
I like your thinking.
Tommy's such an expert on people that have no talent.
Wow.
And actually, I'm going to disagree with Tommy on this one.
I want to hear about Harry.
I want to hear about the good things.
Because he's a living legend.
I want to hear about the good things.
I want to hear about Meghan because it's important for us to remember that he won his case.
Yes.
It's important for us to continue to push that message that he and others, others who aren't as famous as Harry, were able to successfully shine a light on what was wrong with the British press way back when.
That's an important thing.
What's it got to do with the British boy?
Megan, isn't he?
That's not why he got the award.
I'm actually in my living legend.
He's got the award for his aviation skills.
And he deserves that aviation award because he caused you quite a lot of turbulence, Piers Morgan.
I don't mind what turbulence he causes me.
He's a sickening.
Oh, you do.
He's a sickening age.
He riles you.
He's a sickening storm, Piers.
He's a listening as always.
The biggest intruder into royal privacy of all time.
You cannot.
You know who it is?
Prince Harry.
Prince Harry.
It's the ultimate hypocrisy.
He wrote a book literally revealing conversations with his family at the gravesite of his grandson.
What this story shows that the British people are going to be able to do that.
I think you might be projecting.
I think you're projecting.
I can't let go of him.
Anyway, you think he's a living legend?
I think he's a living prince.
Congratulations, Harry.
We're going to have to leave it there.
Tommy, always a pleasure to get common sense from you across the pond.
If only it was shared by my two friends to my left.
You should move to America.
They love you there.
I love America.
I was just there for three and a half weeks, loved it because I understand common sense better than you do, clowns.
Anyway, thank you both very much indeed.
Coming next, we're going to talk to the fake prince who posed for a selfie with another fake prince.
Yeah, Prince Mario Max joins me live next about his encounter with a living legend.
I wonder if you felt the same way.
Welcome back to our sense.
I'm talking about Prince Mario Max, who was the guy we saw pictured with Prince Harry at the Living Legend Award.
Welcome to the show.
Do you perceive Prince Harry to be a living legend of aviation?
Piers, first of all, thank you for having me.
And I'm a real journalist since 30 years.
Guess what?
I make a living in working in the field in the same industry.
And secondly, I'm a real prince because my dad, Prince Valdemar, has a Danish royal mother and was actually knowing Queen Elizabeth.
And it was the first time for me to meet her grandson.
My dad loved Queen Elizabeth.
He took pictures of her.
Why are you called the fake legend?
Why are you called the fake prince then?
It's not.
One guy is saying that, which is a name-like German who elevates himself to say, I am the big Schamburg Lippe.
We are all the same in Germany.
Every Schamburg Lippe prince is just a regular guy.
I'm a working guy in America.
And this guy makes himself pushy in the press and hates and bullies us since decades.
My dad hated him.
And now he's jumping the Harry and Max picture to put himself in the press, co-piloting us.
We just had a nice talk.
I said, my dad loved your grandmother.
They took pictures together.
My dad was a court photographer in Denmark at his cousin, the Danish Queen.
I'm so happy to meet you.
I've never met you.
And that was all.
And he said, Glad.
And he spoke about his award.
And by the way, this award, it's so important.
I'm attending since years.
The Lips family that runs it are friends of mine.
We're taking vacations together.
So this Lips family has all these people in these Living Legend awards.
And the ones who decide who gets these awards are the Living Legends themselves.
And I called them yesterday and I said, Why Prince Harry?
And they said, Hey, Prince Mario Max, read on the program and it will tell you: air controller helicopter pilot.
That's how he was pitched by the fellow aviators.
Yeah, that's not, okay, let me jump in.
That's not why he won the award.
He won the award because they wanted to get a member of the British royal family to the event.
So they gave him an award.
There are tens of thousands of helicopter pilots.
People have done his job all over the world.
Anyway, he's a huge personality.
I've run out of time.
I'm going to have to leave him, Prince.
Great to talk to you.
That's it from me.
Whatever you're up to, keep it Uncensored.
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