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Gender Fallacy in Schools 00:15:22
I'm Piers Morgan.
I'm sensitive tonight, the deadly race against time, a massive rescue mission underway in the North Atlantic after a son went missing on his voyage to the Titanic.
I'll talk to a friend of the missing British billionaire on board and get the very latest from a panel of experts.
Also tonight, British school children are identifying as cats, horses and dinosaurs, and in some cases demanding to communicate in animal noises.
Is this the logical conclusion of limitless self-identity?
And if it is, can I be a cat?
We'll debate.
Plus, does England lose a thrilling first test match for Australia in the Ashes will debate whether cricket is, as I believe, the greatest sport in the world with cricket legend David Lloyd and a US sports commentator who thinks we're all completely bonkers.
Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well good evening from London.
Welcome to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
It wasn't so long ago that when teachers asked children what they want to be, they meant what profession.
Now they're asking them which animal, object or beast they may identify as and tailoring their lessons accordingly.
This isn't satire, it's a genuine story.
It's true.
It's going on in schools up and down the country.
And for those of us who have warned for years about the inevitable consequence of limitless self-identity, it sadly won't come as a surprise.
But it is shocking.
This story begins with a video that circulated yesterday of a teacher in England scolding two pupils for refusing to accept that one of their classmates identified as a cat.
Yeah, they're going to be crazy.
You're questioning that they're identity.
I was just reading about the gender.
I didn't say anything about them.
But where did you get this idea from that?
There's only two genders.
Gender is not linked to do with the... not linked to the garment that you were born with.
Gender is about how you identify.
There is actually three large percentages.
She couldn't be born into sex.
She could be born with male and female body parts or hall motions.
In terms of gender, there are lots of genders.
If you have a child in your darling, you're very sad.
But you identify with the gender of the sexual organ that you're born with, or you're with.
That's basically what you're saying.
Yeah, which is really despicable.
Despicable.
So at the age of 13, there are students who were wise enough to express an honestly held opinion, which is one most people in the world would share.
Well, for that, their own teacher says they're despicable.
And if they hold that view, they should go to a different school.
That view being that girls have vaginas and boys have penises.
That's so despicable, they would have to leave the school.
I think what's despicable in that exchange is what that teacher said.
The Daily Telegraph today followed up were interviewing pupils of schools across the United Kingdom for a major investigation.
It read like a farce, like they made it up.
But it was actually true.
They came up with all sorts of examples from all over the country that looked like we were living on, frankly, a different planet to the one that most of us think we're living on.
Which makes sense because some of the kids they write about are identifying as alien life forms literally on a different planet.
They said that children in high schools have been allowed to self-identity as cats, horses, dinosaurs, even a moon.
Not the moon.
A moon.
And they're deadly serious about this.
Often this causes disruption in lessons, the Telegraph reported, because in some cases they'll only communicate in animal noises.
Pupils at schools where children identify as cats complain to the newspaper that classes are dominated by the children because they insist on meowing.
This is not a joke.
This is serious.
One pupil at a state secretary school in Wales said a fellow pupil feels very discriminated against if you do not refer to them as cat self.
Telegraph discovered that a pupil at one high school is insisting on being addressed as a dinosaur, another as a horse.
One wears a cape and wants to be acknowledged, like I said, as a moon.
The children are allowed to wear items like cat's ears, while other human-identifying children are rebuked for untucked shirts.
Well, enough is enough.
Put it this way: what would you feel if I said I'm a cat?
Seriously, I do actually feel quite feline.
I took in two kittens in January, my first pets I've had since I was a teenager, two little Burmese kittens called Dennis and Bobby for Arsenal fans, named after Burkamp and Pires.
And I frankly now feel like one of them.
I feel like I identify as a cat.
I snack a lot.
I enjoy regular naps.
I have higher than average intelligence.
I'm curious and inquisitive.
I have a natural-born predatory instinct when it comes to attacking rivals who attack me.
And everywhere I go, people want to stroke my chin and call me cute.
So yes, I'm a cat.
But there's one problem.
I'm a human, really.
I'm not actually a cat.
Scientifically and biologically, I'm a human being.
Incontrovertibly.
It's a fact.
Much as I'd like to enjoy the benefits of being a cat, 20 hours naps, no taxes, meals on demand when I cry, I can't because I'm not a cat.
Now, if all of this is shocking to you, it's probably because you haven't been paying attention.
Most of these teachers are probably trying to do the right thing, terrified of being reported for bigotry for failing to indulge the gender whims of children.
And the children themselves have grown up in a world where they're literally taught there are hundreds of genders and anybody can identify as anything they want.
But they can't.
And when something like this happens, society changes so radically and so fast and becomes so ridiculous that it causes complete chaos.
And we surely should be questioning this.
It cannot simply be the case that minority groups are right.
End of question.
And anyone who raises questions about it is automatically a bigot or a transphobe.
I'm not bigoted or transphobic, but I do think this is insanity.
And the next time a child identifies as a cat at school in this country, they should be told that as a mark of deep respect for their new identity, they will be taken out of the classroom, put in a cage with other actual cats who will scratch and bite them all day.
They'll be given water, whiskers, tuna chunks for lunch, taken for walks on leads at break time, and must use a litter tray for a toilet, one that won't be changed for several days.
Trust me, they'll soon be re-identifying as humans by tea time.
Well, joining me now is the veteran LGBT activist and human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, political journalist Ava Santina, and by the best-selling author and conservative commentator Douglas Murray.
Well Douglas, you're safely over there in the United States.
So let me start with you before the fun starts here.
This stuff reads like a joke, but it's really not funny when you get into the weeds of it.
This is limitless self-identity gone bonkers.
Yeah, it's the very stupid results of a very stupid ideology being rolled out by very stupid people.
Basically everything has come unstuck in recent years by the ever-expanding alphabet acronym people, where the fight for gay rights and minority sexual rights turned into this demand, this claim that there was no such thing as biological sex.
As Peter Tatchell and others well know, the argument for gay rights was one by saying, we're just like the rest of you.
It was also won by saying, you know, we just want to live and let live.
Yet the gender ideologues have done something totally different.
They've said, you don't have the right to have your own say in this.
We are right and you have to agree with us.
They say, we're here, and instead of saying we're here, we're queer, and just get used to it, it's we're here, and as a result, biological reality doesn't exist.
Well, clearly, this very, very idiotic ideology is causing havoc.
Just today, Piers, there's another tape from a school in Scotland where some poor boy is having to explain to his teacher that there's only two biological sexes and that the gender woo-woo stuff is nonsense.
And yet again, it's the student having to educate the teacher because the teacher has been indoctrinated into stupidity due to the gender ideologues.
Okay, Ava, you're laughing.
Why?
It's just quite amusing, really.
I mean, we're talking about children that are 12 and 13.
I mean, when I was at school, I had a girl who identified as a horse, but not in this sort of like problematic way that we're now labeling it.
She didn't actually think she was a horse.
She was just quite strange and walked around and, you know.
But nobody in the school then, no teachers would have tolerated that in the way that this is now having to be tolerated.
No teacher would have tolerated bullying of that child.
And that's what this teacher in Sussex has done.
They said it's not acceptable for boys in that class to take the mickey out of someone who's obviously clearly just a child and they're exploring their imagination.
She says they're a cat.
Yes, yes, but Piers, they're 12.
And he's actually interfering with the lessons by talking in cat language, including meowing.
And if people don't go along with this, refusing to cooperate.
That is not just having a bit of fun being a cat.
That is actually assuming the identity of an animal that this person is not and then insisting everybody else conform to it.
That is madness.
That's not what's happening.
What's happening is there's a child who's slightly more imaginative than their peers and they are acting out this sort of fallacy and that's fine.
But to make it about trans, or this is where it gets dangerous, okay?
The Telegraph...
Oh, it's very damaging to trans people.
I agree.
Right, okay.
I agree with that.
The reason it's most damaging.
The Telegraph have been reporting this is up 400% in the last couple of years, them reporting trans issues.
I don't understand why they've got this weird obsession with going into the world.
Let me explain why.
Let me explain why.
No, it's quite gracious.
Let me explain why.
When you have in women's sport, six foot, four inch biological males destroying biological females at elite sport level in swimming pools, on racetracks, in other sports, that's when it becomes a full frontal assault on women's rights to fairness and equality.
And when you include them going into dressing rooms and so on and mixing with biological females, then there's a safety issue.
When you have, as we had in Scotland, a male rapist identifying at his trial as a woman to get put into a woman's prison and being sent there by the female boss of Scotland at the time, who's now obviously in her own troubles, That is why this is happening.
Kids are watching all this stuff, and as kids do, they want a piece of the action.
No, Piers, don't be ridiculous.
There is nothing, there's no similarity between a child wanting to be a cat when they're 12 years old and someone competing in the Olympics.
Oh, there is.
There is a listen.
You and I have had a lot of civilized conversations about all this, right?
And I want to continue that.
I don't think that the trans community gets helped at all by any of this, right?
But I don't think it's the media obsessing.
I think what you're seeing is as the trans community get ever more active and populous, if you like, for want of a better phrase, and their activists get more aggressive, when they go to battle on things like women's sport, they're losing everyone and they're piling mockery onto the trans community.
If we can go back to the Telegraph article.
Yeah.
It's quite mischievous.
Out of the, I don't know, million or more pupils in our schools, they come up with five examples.
Five examples out of a million.
Now, that's wrong.
I agree it's wrong.
But, as Ava says, the kids are just acting up fantasies.
When I was a little kid, I wanted to be Robin Hood.
But that's fine.
That's fine.
But the schools should not be tolerated.
But the schools are not.
Teachers should not be saying, if you believe that women have vaginas and men have penises, you have to leave the school.
That is complete nonsense.
Right?
In this particular case, the Telegraph cited this handful of examples.
They were by teachers, individual teachers.
They were not school policy.
And at least one case, the school disowned the teacher and the policy and said that it wouldn't happen again.
But what about this case in Rye College?
Well, yeah, I'm sure there are some examples of excesses.
But on the basis of those exceptions, you can't make a generalized attack upon the school system and suggest that all our kids are being propagandised in this way because it simply when you hear that teacher, I think, to bring Douglas back in, when you hear that teacher, there's clear evidence of what we've all been fearing has been going on, which is a teacher caught on tape, literally spewing nonsensical gender ideology propaganda.
But one teacher.
Yes, only one teacher.
One teacher tens of thousands of people.
Hang on.
One teacher caught on tape, right?
There have been many other instances of this being reported, but no one's actually had it on tape.
It's a bit like, I would liken it to the party gate scandal when we finally got a video of the people having what was clearly a party.
There have been lots of rumors about it.
So now we have a teacher clearly on tape doing this.
But it's not official school policy.
Well, she's still, to my knowledge, she is still working at that school.
Douglas.
If I may, first of all, Ava rather unfortunately misspoke earlier when she said that the schoolgirl in question was acting out of fallacy.
I think you meant a fantasy.
But actually she is acting out of fallacy.
Thanks avoiding a fallacy.
But you know what I'm saying?
A fallacy.
Do you know what's fascinating?
It's a fallacy which has been propagated.
A fallacy which has been propagated by gender ideologues and is doing profound damage to gay people among others in our society, as well as women.
Let me explain very quickly why.
I can't quite hear you, but I can hear you muttering something.
Let me quickly explain why.
A poll that just got published in the United States showed that among the general population, support for gay marriage has been starting to decline in the last year.
Why is that?
It's because the arguments that actually brought about liberal rights for all minorities in the last few decades have started to get turned on their head and turned against people.
What is the source of that?
It is the gender ideology movement.
What is the tripwire for the general public?
It is children.
It is people learning that their children are being taught nonsensical things.
It is being seen by the wider public, most of whom are heterosexual and don't need to identify as cis or anything else.
It is being seen from that vantage point as the LGBTQIA plus movement losing control of itself.
And so a backlash is starting.
And the backlash is coming because people are lying to children and are using children for medical experiments.
The Limit of Genders 00:02:58
There's nothing funny about that.
There's nothing that should cause levity in that.
It should be treated by adults seriously.
Okay, Ava.
So, Douglas, it's really important, actually.
All of that point that you've just brought up, it's very on-brand for you because, you know, you like to stoke fear.
You've actually made a career out of it.
I'll take you back to your book, The Strange Death of Europe.
And you made a big fright.
You know, you frightened the entire public about your thoughts on Europe, and we ended up in Brexit.
You weren't the sole contributor to that, but you were a big fan of that.
Can we stick on to Ava?
I will, I will.
And then, you know, now we're talking about LGBTQ.
If I may say something.
And you're creating...
Hang on, you spoke.
You spoke.
I'm speaking.
I'm speaking.
I'll reply.
I'll reply.
Hello.
Let Ava speak, please.
But back on the trans issue, when you're talking about LGBTQ, what you've just done there is basically say that the whole of America, who have historically had a problem with gay marriage, are now turning on it because a couple of children in a classroom in Sussex want to be a cat.
If you can't see the ridiculousness in that argument, I can't help you.
No, the bigger issue, I must say.
There is no such thing as gender ideology.
We all have gender identities.
You identify as a man, and I fully respect you.
Well, no, no, hang on.
I don't identify as a man.
I was born a biological male.
Yes.
That's where this whole thing is.
I'll bring you back in, Douglas.
I just want to say, that's where the whole debate goes rogue.
You were born a biological male.
You were born a biological female.
Douglas biological male.
This is just a fact, right?
Once you start saying there are hundreds of genders and you can identify as anything you want, you're going to end up with kids at school going, I'm a horse, and you've got to treat me like a horse.
It appears you're confusing two things.
No, I'm not.
Sex and gender.
I'm not.
They are being conflated.
Biological sex is one thing which I totally accept, and so do 99% of the people in the LGBT plus community.
Gender is something different.
Gender identity is how you see yourself.
And do you believe it's limitless?
No, I don't believe it's limitless.
What's the limit?
Well, there is basically male and female intersex, but there are people who have different gender identities.
But how many genders are there?
Well, there is no fixed number.
So what's the limit?
I don't see a particular limit.
There's no limit.
So when you said there is a limit, now you admit there's no limit.
Sorry.
There is male and female.
Is there a limit or not to the number of gender?
There's sex identity.
No, that's sex.
On a gender, is there a limit to the number of genders?
Well, there are some people who are asexual.
That's an identity.
The BBC has put in education videos.
There are 100 plus genders.
Well, I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with that.
So what is the limit?
What's the number?
Well, I'm not going to specify a particular number, but it's very small.
Where do you draw the line?
Well, I draw the line based on science and evidence.
And we know that there is a thing called intersex, where people are born with a mixture of both.
That is literally what it says on the female.
That's what it says on the female.
That is intersex.
People are born with chromosomes from both, right?
That is a medical condition.
That's inarguable, right?
We're talking about gender.
But trans identity is also a biological fact.
Submersible Rescue Risks 00:15:08
No, no, but once I've been.
Rooted in brain structures and programs.
I understand it.
But as the new science shows.
But once you get into 100 genders, people can get a better idea.
We're not debating 100 genders.
Well, actually, the BBC has taught kids that.
This is back to Douglas' point about affecting the brains of impressionable young kids.
No, I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with the BBC if they say gender plus genders.
Okay, Douglas.
Very quickly, I don't know, Ava, anything about your career.
I don't know if you have one.
But you did try to imply that you knew something about mine, and you just showed you know nothing about it because actually my 2017 bestseller, The Strange Death of Europe, was not about the EU.
So you should learn at some point to read more than the title of the commenting upon the world.
And it was about my career.
But let me very quickly...
And how rude are you?
How rude are you?
You've built a career out of fear mongering and you're now multi-classical.
And you haven't been able to UK titles.
You haven't even built that career, have you?
You haven't even built a career.
I'm on the same panel as you, Han.
We're getting the same.
Do you know what?
I'm going to wrap it up by saying you've both got wonderful careers or you wouldn't be on Piers Morgan uncensored.
Before I let you go, Peter, though, I want a quick reaction.
Elton John today reacted to the Philip Schofield scandal and said that he believed it was totally homophobic.
That if it had been a man having a relationship at work with a 20-year-old woman, there would be no scandal.
What's your response to that?
I think there's a whiff of homophobia.
I wouldn't say total homophobia, but there's a whiff because we know that when big celebrities like Leonardo DiCaprio, Peter Stringfellow, Elvis Presley, and so on, when they had relationships with young women much, much younger, there was tut-tutting, but there wasn't the kind of witch-hunting atmosphere that Philip Schofield has experienced.
Now, I'm saying that as someone who says that, you know, his own private life should be his own private life unless he's harmed someone else or committed a criminal offense.
Otherwise, it's for him.
You know, 40% of all marriages used to begin at the workplace.
And historically, with a man in a higher position at work, that's how people used to meet and fall in love.
It would be the boss, the secretary, and so on.
That's not going to happen anymore, is it?
I mean, what the Schofield template now is, you cannot actually really have any relationships at work.
And my only response to that would be, okay, how are people going to meet their partners for life, actually?
It's an interesting question socially.
If 40% of marriages began at work and work relationships become taboo, where does that leave society?
It's fine though, isn't it?
You know, that's Gen Z now.
It's all online.
We don't talk to each other.
Well, there you go.
The only thing we should be concerned about, was a crime committed?
Was anyone harmed?
We don't have any evidence of either in the case of Philip.
No, we don't at the moment.
Unless the other man concerned comes out and contradicts Philip Schofield's story, there is no crime.
Until then, the man is innocent.
Yeah, innocent until proven guilty.
I don't disagree.
Peter, we've reached a point of agreement.
Always a good place to end.
Ava, congratulations on your stunning career, which has brought you to the desk of Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Douglas, always a joy over there in New York.
Great to see you.
There's a cat for you.
Uncensored next.
Rescue teams are in a deadly race against time after a tourist sub carrying five very rich people went missing on a dive to the wreck of a Titanic.
Could they possibly survive this?
Is there any hope?
We'll have the latest next.
Just before we came on air, the US Coast Guard updated the world on their search and rescue mission to find the missing Titanic submersible.
It wasn't good news.
So far, their efforts have not yielded any results.
Five people are on board the tiny vessel, including British billionaire explorer Hamish Harding.
They're said to have fewer than 40 hours of oxygen remaining.
So could this be a rescue mission impossible?
Well, the remains of a Titanic, where some are speculating the sub could be stuck, rests 12,500 feet beneath the surface of the Atlantic.
At that depth, no light from the sun reaches the ocean floor.
It's pitch black.
Temperatures are near freezing, around 0 to 3 degrees Celsius.
Water pressure is 380 times greater than on land.
That's the equivalent of being trapped under a 100-storey tower made of lead.
And to illustrate just how deep it is, 12,500 feet, is about nine Empire State buildings stacked on top of each other.
Well, joining me now, our explorer and friend of British President Hamish Harding, Yannick Michelson, retired U.S. Navy submarine captain, David Markey, and Dr. Michael Gehan, who's a journalist who became the first TV correspondent in history to report from the wreck of the Titanic.
Well, welcome to all of you.
Jannick, let me start with you, Yannick, if I may.
Obviously, a devastatingly difficult time for you and everybody who knows any of these five people on board.
How are you feeling about this?
Because obviously, Hamish, a great explorer, done many very risky things in his time.
But this, as time goes on, does look to be potentially like a real tragedy unfurling.
It's looking bleak.
I'm terrified for the worst news now.
I have a little bit of hope, but they have all the odds against them at this point.
And it will be a miracle if they can recover the submarine or submersible with a crew that's alive.
What kind of man is Hamish, for those who don't know him?
Hamish is larger than life.
He loves exploration.
He's been to space.
He's been to the deepest point of the planet.
He's been to the South Pole.
And he's also mentored me a lot in my career as an explorer.
And this is why I'm living close to the North Pole to train to be a polar explorer and survive in the polar climate.
There are videos of, I think, Hamish and others talking about this vessel, this submersible.
The thing that struck me was that for people who were so wealthy, it doesn't seem a particularly sophisticated piece of machinery, that the risks are pretty high, actually, if something was to go wrong.
Would that be a fair assessment?
I myself haven't seen this submersible, but with any expedition, there's a large amount of risk involved.
If you want to be the first person to do something today on planet Earth or in space, you have to accept risk because if it was easy, it wouldn't have been done.
David, you've been a retired United States Navy submarine captain, so an expert in this field.
I want to play a little bit of what I'm just talking about, a little clip of some of the people who are on board talking before about it, including Hamish.
An experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma, or death.
Where do I find?
I couldn't help noticing how many pieces of this sub seemed improvised.
We can use these off-the-shelf components.
I got these from Camper World.
We run the whole thing with this game controller.
So, David, look, they're sort of being quite jokey about it.
Obviously, this is now a very serious situation.
Did they underestimate perhaps the dangers?
Or is that just always part of the risk, do you think, of this kind of expedition?
No, I think you could do a better job mitigating the risk.
We know from a long history of operating submarines in the Royal Navy, the American Navy.
I've been underwater for 87 continuous days, what it takes to keep a submarine operating safely underwater.
We have, first of all, starts with the design and the building of the submarine.
We track a bolt from when it was manufactured and say it's chromium magnesium alloy to when it's installed on the submarine, every step of the way, because we want to make sure that the exact right bolt with the right material is installed in a right bolt hole.
This all costs money.
And then when we operate the submarine, if we were in port for a while, we don't just go out and submerge in deep water and see how it goes.
We test everything at the pier, then we go deliberately 100 feet, 200 feet, 300 feet.
We walk around with flashlights, checking things.
It is daunting.
And this is why these submarines cost so much money.
So I admire people pushing the boundaries.
And throughout the human race, these people have contributed a lot.
And some risk is unavoidable, but I think you should try and do everything you can to minimize avoidable risk.
What, David, what do you think is the most likely scenario that's happened here?
Well, for the families and friends, prepare yourself for bad news.
The communications abruptly ended.
and the submarine has not shown up on the surface.
So to me, that signifies likely that the crew has been incapacitated.
It could be simply that the batteries died, but in this case, I would expect to hear someone banging a wrench, for example, against the titanium end bells of the submarine.
But we're not hearing anything.
So I worry that there's something, there could have been a fire on board.
They could have somehow depleted their oxygen way early and not realized it.
They could have flooded somehow.
A fitting corroded and ruptured and water came in.
And when you're that deep, you said 380 times the pressure at air.
That's just a number.
It's hard to conceive how that happens like this.
The water would come in so fast, they wouldn't experience anything.
They would be crushed.
They would be drowned.
They'd be asphyxiated and they would feel no pain.
What is the difference between a submarine and a submersible?
A submarine has a big motor, a big engine, and a propeller that drives it out of port.
So it's on its own, leaves port, leaves Norfolk, goes out to sea, drives a thousand miles, submerges, and operates.
A submersible has small maneuvering propellers.
So it's towed out to the side of the Titanic.
It's released by the mothership.
It can drive down, hover around the wreck, uses those propellers because there's currents down there.
So it uses those propellers to make sure it doesn't get swept into the wreck or entangled in the wreck.
And then when they're done sightseeing, then the time's up, then they come back up to the surface.
Well, thank you for that expert guidance, too, because I think a lot of people are a little bit confused.
Dr. Michael, you know better than most of the differences.
You've been on a submersible in 2000.
You went down there for ABC News.
You were the first TV correspondent in history to report from the wreck of the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.
We've got a little clip of this, I think.
As we approach the stern of the ship, we're suddenly caught up in a strong underwater current that pushes us towards one of the gigantic 21-ton propellers.
Come on, man, look at the size of these things.
Oh, my God.
So are we stuck or lost?
As this graphic shows, we appear to be somehow wedged beneath the wreck of the stern.
A scary moment for you.
Does this bring back pretty awful memories of what happened to you and what could have happened?
Yeah.
I'm feeling pretty sick right now and agree with the lieutenant.
The two things that come out at me right now is the loss of communications, because even while we were stuck down there, our pilot, who was a former Russian NIG pilot, was piloting our three-man sub, much smaller than the one that's currently in this situation.
And he was able to communicate with the surface ship, the research vessel, the Akademik Keldysh, on the surface.
I couldn't understand what they were saying.
It was all in Russian, but nevertheless.
And then the second thing that stands out to me, Pierce, is, as the lieutenant pointed out, if it had just been a failure of communications, then that pilot would have brought that thing up to the surface immediately.
So, I mean, we can speculate endlessly.
I hate doing it because lives are at stake.
I'm really sorry to say.
I'm Exactly what that feels like.
The muscle feels being struck under there and they're utterly hopeless.
It's not easy to get out of that.
I can see the emotion there in you.
This is obviously, and indeed also for you, Yannik.
Because Dr. Michael, I guess you must have had a moment when you were in a similar situation where you thought you may not get out of it, right?
Yeah, more than a moment, the better part of an hour.
And being a scientist, of course, I'm a professional problem solver.
So my first instinct was, number one, to hope nobody in the cabin would panic because we had been told by the captain of our ship before we went down that he told us a story, a true story of a gentleman who has found himself in that situation and in his panic went for the escape hatch to open it up.
It's right above your head.
And of course, it was the end of it because as the lieutenant said, the pressures down there are enormous.
I filed a story for 2020 and then Good Morning America.
And just to illustrate how powerful the pressure is down there, we took some styrofoam cups and the cup came back about that small and all the air had been squeezed out of it from the pressure down there.
That brings it home.
It's a very hostile environment, very cold, very high pressure.
So yes, for the better part of an hour, I kept thinking, well, how can we get out of this?
There was another Russian sub in the vicinity and I thought perhaps it could tow us out.
But of course, it's not feasible.
It's not AAA comes tow you out of the mud.
And I just ran through the checklist of things in my mind and I finally came to that moment, that brick wall, that utter sense of hopelessness.
And the words that came into my mind were, this is how it's going to end for you.
And you have to understand, I've been to the North Pole, the South Pole.
I've covered the Persian Gulf War for 14 years, ABC News.
I've been all over the world.
I've been in harm's way everywhere.
But those words came into my mind and I'll never forget them.
This is how it's going to end for you.
And I thought of my wife, Laurel, and thought I'd never see her again.
Just by the grace of God, Victor and his skill managed to weasel our way out of that big propeller.
It's a big propeller.
Our ship was very small.
You have to understand.
It's a huge propeller.
Our ship is small in comparison.
We just got trapped in the blades.
But if it weren't for Victor's heroic efforts, I wouldn't be here today to tell you about this.
But it's just terrible.
It makes me sick.
Well, incredibly emotive description there from someone who really does know what they may.
I mean, look, you had a miracle escape.
We can only hope and pray that something may turn up here.
We don't know, obviously, what's happened until we know for sure there's hope.
And they would still have enough oxygen left if indeed they're still alive.
And we can only hope and pray that does happen.
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And Yannick, for you and for everyone who's a friend, a family member, our hearts go out to all of you.
And we just hope and pray that there is a miraculous ending to this.
But thank you all very much indeed for joining me.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, Pierce.
Well, since the next, you probably need some light relief after that.
What an emotional description there of what may be down there by the Titanic, what that experience must be like when you fear the worst.
Really very moving.
But after the break, we're going to lighten the load.
We're going to talk about cricket.
Just been the most remarkable end to a game between England and Australia in the Ashes series, just started here in England, prompting my belief that cricket is the greatest sport in the world.
But Americans, a lot of Americans, think it's the most boring and stupid sport in the world.
They'll debate this after the break with cricket legend David Lloyd and US commentator Dave Portney, who hasn't got a clue what I've just been talking about.
Welcome back to Piers Organisation.
England tonight lost a thrilling first Ashes Test match to Australia.
I'm absolutely gutted about it, but despite that, I remain adamant that cricket is indisputably the greatest sport of them all.
Many Australians will agree, especially tonight, that many of our viewers in the United States, well, they wouldn't agree.
In fact, they think cricket is one of the most boring, confusing, and pointless sports ever invented.
Here are some of our American friends watching cricket for the very first time.
I don't know what they are saying about Britain, bro.
First time watching.
So the pitcher is trying to hit these sticks, maybe?
Out there catching the ball with their hands.
Is the ball soft?
What just happened?
What just happened?
Off his leg, up in the air.
He knows it's coming at him.
I think in the back game, I think.
This is the most complicated sport I ever seen, bro.
That's the key.
We made it deliberately complicated so Americans wouldn't want to play it.
Think about that.
We're not stupid over here.
So is cricket the greatest sport in the world, as I believe, or are we Brits and Aussies and a few other countries just completely bonkers to debate this?
I'm joined by the Barstool Sports founder, Dave Portnoy, in the United States, and from Yorkshire, former England cricket player, umpire coach, and living legend, David Bumble Lloyd.
All right, Dave Portley, you obviously don't get cricket.
That might be your problem, not ours, because cricket is the greatest sport ever invented.
Listen, Pierce, I thought there was a misprint on the sheet when they said what you were asking me to talk about.
Cricket.
I mean, I've seen five seconds of cricket my whole life.
I'm not against cricket.
I just don't care about cricket.
I just heard the introduction you gave to the guy in the panel.
I mean, if he was walking down the street and slapped me in the face, I'd have no idea who he was.
I just don't know anything about cricket.
I've seen the highlights.
I know that you can play for like 3,000 hours straight.
It seems interesting if you know what's going on, but it's not an American sport.
It's our version of baseball.
But yeah, I don't care about cricket at all.
You're not going to get me to trash cricket, but I don't know anything about it.
All right, David Lloyd, enthuse the gentleman.
Explain why he's so wrong to be so disinterested.
Piers, I'm not surprised that they don't get it in America.
I really don't.
And baseball's been mentioned, and that goes right above me.
America, what is it?
Football they play when they're all you can't tell anybody.
They've all got hats on, they've all got shoulders on and they throw it around.
In fact, they bring the crowd in, they can have a go as well.
So don't talk about cricket.
It's the greatest sport there's ever been.
I'm not surprised in the slightest.
Look who's running the country.
Well, Dave, he's got a point.
I mean, you've got a president at the moment who's what that point is.
Well, I'll tell you what the point is.
The point is, you have to argue.
I don't care about cricket.
No, cricket's here or there, nowhere.
Again, I thought it was a misprint.
All right, let me try and let me try and explain to you.
Let me try and explain to you why you should.
You guys are the ones who need the respect for cricket, Chris.
No, no, we're not after respect.
No one cares about cricket here.
We're explaining why you're wrong.
Well, then what is the point of the segment?
Well, I'm telling you the point of the segment.
So get this little fact about cricket.
Cricket matches were played by soldiers during the American Revolutionary War, with many games being played at the Valley Forge encampment.
George Washington, I'm sure you've heard of him, also played at least one game there with the sport referred to as wicket by Americans at the time.
Not the first time you've taken our language and mangled it.
So cricket was very much there at the start.
What happened?
Why did you move to baseball, which is so clearly an interesting thing?
And that speaks volumes about cricket being boring.
If you're saying we had it all these years, we developed better sports, more action.
I mean, people played lacros way back in the day and it didn't grow.
I don't know.
I didn't know this turned into we got the 4th of July around the corner and you got me coming at cricket.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you one thing that is dumb.
Can't the same guy pitch every time?
No, that's the whole point.
That's why our formula.
You can't go underhand.
Can't the same pitcher?
No, we don't play underhand anything.
All throw it.
We don't do that.
We bowl.
And we have great fielding positions like Sydney.
And we bowl things like Google.
We're going to do a bunch of every time, right?
All together.
All right.
You want me to say cricket's great?
Cricket's great.
I don't care.
Cricket's great.
Great.
Go cricket.
I don't.
All right, Dave.
What sports are they good at?
Are they good at any sport?
They've got a few golfers.
Are they any good at snooker or darts?
What they got?
Are you going to snooker or darts?
What the hell snooker is?
What does that begin?
Again, snooker is rather like cricket all over the world baseball.
Well, rather like cricket.
Rather like cricket to baseball.
Where is this being telecast?
Is this show only in Sydney, Australia, or something?
I don't even know what we're talking about.
It does air in Sydney, but snooker, rather like cricket is to baseball, is a sophisticated version of pool.
We basically have more superior, sophisticated, intelligent sport here.
Probably why you don't like them though.
Pool?
You're talking about pool now?
Yes.
All right.
I mean, I don't know that you got world-class athletes playing pool, but.
Well, Dave, Dave, for those who don't understand cricket in America and care even less and just think it's a waste of time, I always explain, how could you not enjoy this?
Why do you think that?
Well, hang on.
It's just not an American sport.
I'm actually talking to the other David here.
Hang on.
David Lloyd, the legend.
Bumble, we'll call you.
I always explain to Americans that take the ashes.
It's five matches, spread each one over five days.
Each day can be seven to eight hours.
You can get 200 hours of cricket, and at the end, the score might be 0-0.
And that's why we devised it like that, so Americans would never want to play it.
Well, it's coming to America if you listen to everybody about T20, which is the dumbest form of the game.
T20 is quick, it's fast, it's lightning, and it's coming to America.
Whether they like it or not, it's on its way.
Yeah, it is.
And Dave Portney, I'm afraid you are going to grow to love cricket.
You're going to want to come on here every week and do cricket segments.
I don't know what he just said.
Cricket's coming to America?
Where?
At the local YMCA?
No, it's coming to cities all over America.
The three-hour version.
We could introduce you to football and rugby as well.
You're no good at that.
Dave, Dave Portney, you don't look convinced.
I've seen rugby.
I've seen rugby.
You don't look convinced.
I just, you guys are trying to make me like a cricket hater.
I just don't know much about it.
The way you just described it, you said it goes on for seven days straight with no points and no goals.
That sounds like a torture camp to me.
Look, two Dave's with very different opinions about cricket.
I have to say, David Lloyd, for me, cricket has brought me more joy, as I know it has for you, than anything else probably in my entire life, with the possible exception of hand.
That's because you're an Arsenal fan.
Well, certainly more joy, sustained joy than Arsenal, and probably as much joy as a hand-pumped pint of Harvey's bitter, which I know, David Lloyd, you love a bit of bitter as well, don't you?
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I do indeed.
And we're going to have to get older, Dave.
We'll take him to a mic.
He'll have to come kicking and screaming for seven days.
We'll play it for seven days.
We have a date.
David Portnoy, we're going to take you to a cricket match and we're going to bore you into submission and admit it's a superior form of baseball.
Two Davis, thank you both very much indeed for an enlightening debate.
We got absolutely nowhere, but it was very funny.
Thank you both very much.
Uncensored next, a British water company announces a review of its maintenance signs after claims the phrase men at work is sexist.
Of course it is.
Only a matter of time before they came for the workman.
We'll debate that next.
Welcome back to Piers Morgan Center tonight's pack.
Let's talk to these Paula Rowan Adrian and Richard Tice.
Great to see women getting their kid off again in beauty contests, isn't it?
Over to you, Paula.
Well, that depends, Piers.
Is that what you're into?
Watching women getting their kids?
I like seeing beautiful women in bikinis.
You like judging them.
Yes.
But you rate a woman.
No problem at all.
And men, don't care.
Not sexists.
Right, so I'm happy to judge you both.
I'm not going to rate you both.
Would you like to be able to do that?
Well, I wouldn't want to be objectified.
I wouldn't want to be objectified.
I'm sure, Richard, wouldn't be going to.
It costs an objective.
Obviously, no competition between people and I don't know.
Let's do it.
Let's see.
Yeah, but what's the big deal about those kind of competitions with women who just want to be beautiful models?
It's not 1970 anymore, Piers.
And magazines are putting pictures like that.
And to be fair, a beauty pageant wasn't just about the bikini.
It was about it was, well, nobody cared about what they said.
Maybe.
For you, maybe.
Nobody cared about the interviews.
Yeah.
I think that's quite disappointing and says a lot really about you.
More so than it says about the women.
I think we should be able to, rather like a fine piece of art, we should be able to appreciate beauty without being judged censoriously for appreciating beauty.
That's exactly what you're doing.
You're judging them.
That's what you've just told me.
But literally, women walk down the street now in bikinis without any problem.
What's the big deal?
And so what is the problem with that?
Well, they're not being judged and they're not being objectified.
But the ones who take part want to be judged.
That's the whole point of entry and competition.
Not just about the bikini, though.
They want to be judged.
And that's why they took it.
They literally enter a competition to be judged.
It's about competition.
On their judgment.
It's about being the best.
And by the way, there's a clue in the title.
Beauty pageant.
They want to be Miss America or Miss Universe.
They want to be Miss UK.
They want to be judged on how they look.
Ah, so when you say Miss UK, what they're not saying is, I want to be Miss Beautiful UK.
That's again, that's Miss Ugly UK then.
I'd watch it.
I'd watch Miss Ugly UK.
Look, here's some pictures of former beauty pageant contestants, right?
All very happy to be in it, all very happy to be judged.
I was very happy looking at those shows over the years.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
I don't mind if it's men.
If you women want to look at men, you oggle people like the poll dart guy all the time.
What's the difference?
Aiden was his name from Paul Dart, front page of every paper with his top off every year.
Women all go crazy.
What's the difference?
There isn't any.
Well, we know what the difference is.
It's just your choosing not to accept it.
Let's talk about men at work signs.
Something less contentious.
So apparently, a water company has been blasted by worrying about causing offense for having men at work signs put up at Exton in Devon.
They've ordered a review following a complaint that it deems women's contributions unimportant.
Richard Tice, have you ever seen a woman on one of these water construction sites working?
Never.
Right.
So isn't that a bit about 50s?
It is invariably men at work.
It's a fact.
They're just describing a fact, which men are at work.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not rocket science.
It's not very difficult.
It's not offensive.
Maybe we'll be.
If it was women at work, I'd say make the sign women at work.
Well, in a maternity ward, maybe there should be a sign saying women pushing hard.
I don't know.
Paula?
Do you know what?
I don't know whether to be scared or worried because this is quite unbelievable.
Why do we need a sign to say men at work?
Why do you need that sign?
Why do you feel so low that you need a sign to say men at work?
Are men at work?
It's not about what mostly happens.
It's not about generalizing.
This is about even if there aren't any women, you should say men at work.
It's about health and safety.
It's about working.
It's about working.
It's not about men.
Unfortunately, our work has come to a tragic end.
Just change the sign back to what it was.
That's it from me.
Keep it uncensored.
Men at work.
If they're men, what's the
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