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May 24, 2023 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Social Media Prankster Outrage 00:03:08
I'm Piers Morgan, uncensored tonight.
She was simply the best.
Breaking news, Tina Turner has died at the age of 83.
We'll pay tribute to one of the all-time music greats.
Plus, he's the social media so-called prankster who sparked national outrage by terrorising innocent bystanders.
Mizzy, as he calls himself, entered people's homes without permission, stole property, knocked people off their bikes, even stole an elderly woman's dog, all for social media fame on TikTok.
Today he got away with a £355 fine.
Many think that's not enough.
He joins me live.
And Michael Block is the underdog hero who electrified the sporting world this week and punctured our collective doom and gloom with a winning attitude to living a dream.
The Rocky Balborough of golf joins me live to tell me how he did.
Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well good evening from London.
Welcome to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Sad breaking news.
At the start of the show this evening, the legendary Tina Turner has died at the age of 83, one of the all-time music greats, simply as she sang, the best.
And we'll pay tribute to her a little later in the programme.
But first, many young people see social media stardom as a fast track to fame and fortune.
People you've never heard of can become very famous and very wealthy very quickly from the business of bagging clicks and followers online.
But with more than 500 hours of content uploaded every single minute just to YouTube, how do they even begin to get noticed?
Well, some influencers have a talent.
They can sing or dance.
Some give brash opinions.
Some play computer games.
Some give friendly tutorials on things like how to do makeup or make music.
But others get their clicks by, honestly, behaving like complete morons.
In California, a YouTuber and pilot faced 20 years in jail for crashing an airplane to get more subscribers.
Others have jumped from city buildings, taken on wild animals, crashed cars, you name it.
However mad it is, someone has tried it just for the clicks.
And all in the name of becoming Insta Famous.
This week a social media prankster named Mizzy has generated headlines and abject outrage for so-called pranks, which mostly involve just terrorising innocent bystanders.
James.
Well, as public anger grew this week, London's Met Police announced they were looking for Mizzy, real name Bakari Bronzogaro.
The law caught up with him and today he was fined £365 and given a criminal behaviour order which is supposed to ban him from posting to social media without the written permission of the people in his videos.
Police Fine and Criminal Order 00:09:19
You might think that's not much of a punishment or much of a deterrent.
But what does he think?
Well fresh from the courtroom, he's here now.
All right, well good evening to you.
Hello, hello Piers.
Long time Losie.
What do you mean long time Locie?
Last time I hopped on your thing with my friend.
Oh that's right.
You appeared in the background when we were doing an interview.
Okay well I'm not your mate.
What I am is an interviewer who is I'm curious about what has been motivating you to terrorize the people around where you live.
Why do it?
I wasn't really quit at terrorizing.
I'll just call it more having fun.
But let's get this out of the way first.
I apologise.
You see this situation that blew up on the internet walking into random houses?
The next day I apologized to the woman because I felt bad in it.
Like deep in her social media.
It went deep in her social media.
That's why I didn't record it.
She recorded me apologizing to her.
I told her story and she explained that she was terrified because her children were in the house and I understand.
What were you doing in the house?
What I did in the house?
I don't know.
It was a stupid video.
Like I got peer pressure to say.
I don't want to say it like in that way, but...
But somebody else's fault.
I don't blame it on no one else.
I mean, you break into the house with a woman and a husband and two people.
I went into the house of my own accord.
No, I'm just saying.
Okay, you went through their door, right?
But it's not your house.
You're not supposed to be in there.
Oh, no, she's not.
You are causing a lot of alarm to that poor woman and to her children who are in the house.
You then terrorise this poor elderly woman and take a dog away and traumatize her.
The story about that.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
I'm going to finish.
No, because let me speak.
No, no, no, let me speak.
No, I'm going to tell you.
Let me talk about that situation.
No, no, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
For the viewers who don't know what you've done.
Hold up, hold up.
I'm going to tell them.
Hold up.
So you hold on.
No, you can hold on.
I'm explaining.
I'm explaining.
Don't just keep talking like an idiot.
Right, don't.
Let me finish what the viewers don't know you did.
You go up and you do these things.
You take a dog from an elderly woman.
You leapfrog over the top of an Orthodox Jewish man standing at the side of the road minding his own business.
You go up to women in the street and say, do you want to die?
It wasn't a woman, it was a man.
And she...
There were also women that you had to do.
There was maybe a woman there, but I only say it to the man.
Right.
You shouldn't be saying it to anybody.
Fair enough, baby.
Why, in the name of so-called prankster humor, why cause so much alarm and distress to so many people?
Do you get your kicks out of doing that?
Not necessarily, but you can say that this whole public outroar just makes me laugh because people are getting hurt over something that didn't happen to them.
And that's how I see it as.
What do you mean?
People are getting hurt over something that didn't happen to them.
Everyone acts like they have this persona, like they don't care.
Oh, social media is a facade, this, that, and the other.
But when me comes out and does the mad thing, everyone has something to say.
It's the mad thing.
You already said it was the mad thing.
It's the mad thing.
No, it's not mad.
It's moronic.
It's the kind of thing anybody could do.
And you do it for kicks and you do it for clicks.
And you get your little moment on TikTok.
And presumably your peer group that you referenced earlier, they all think, good on you.
Good on you, Mizzy.
This is hilarious.
Meanwhile, some poor woman thinks you've stolen her dog and is traumatized.
Another woman has her two kids and you're bursting into their house uninvited.
Like you're jumping on Jewish people who are already Jewish people.
Hold up away.
I mean, wait, wait, no, no, stop.
You did.
Cool, it was a Jewish person, cool.
But there was a trend going around on TikTok called 3-0-0.
I've done this to numerous people, black people, white people, any types of people.
I don't discriminate.
So stop saying Orthodox Jewish person like I only targeted him and it was only him that I went for.
Why are you targeting anybody in that way?
Well, what do you mean?
Why am I targeting anyone?
It was a trend.
It was a trend.
I just done it for a trend.
What's the trend?
What's the trend?
3-0-0.
Jump over someone at the time of the beat.
However much you scare them.
However much you scare them.
Or even if you push them into a car.
No, that didn't happen though, because I saw it.
It didn't happen by chance.
It didn't happen, but it didn't happen.
A lot of the stuff that you do could have consequences far more serious.
But you don't care, do you?
As long as you get a lie.
I have remorseful.
You don't have any remorse.
What do you mean I don't have any remote?
How are you trying to tell me?
You have no remorse.
Are you in my life?
Do you live in my life?
Are you there for my parents?
Have you been there?
What's your life?
Tell me.
You told me my life.
You're about to tell me the sob story, are you?
What's the sob story?
There's no sob story.
Well, go on.
What's your story about my life?
What's so bad about your life that makes you bad?
It's your whole life, innit?
I just do it for fun.
On or off-camera, I do my ticket.
Tell me about your life.
What justifies this?
What's happened to you that makes you think you're justified in doing this?
What do you mean tell me about my life?
You said you didn't know anything about your life.
Tell me about your life.
You're trying to get onto you because I'm black.
Because I guarantee you.
Because you're black.
Yeah.
I guarantee you for a while.
I don't give a damn about your skin colour.
Really?
No.
Why would you care what colour your skin is?
I just think you're an idiot.
Oh, thank you.
I think you're an idiot too.
That's fine.
You're perfectly entitled to it.
So are you?
This show's called uncensored.
I think you're an idiot for what you've been doing.
I also think you're an idiot for playing the race car when no one's mentioned your skin colour.
Really?
You don't have to mention it to her.
I don't care about your skin colour.
I care about the fact that you've been terrorising all these people for a sustained period of time.
I also care about the fact you've only got a tiny fine today.
No deterrent to you whatsoever.
You don't show any real remorse.
You don't really care, do you?
The UK laws are weak, simple as.
The UK laws are weak, simple as, and that's not my fault.
That's not my fault.
Like in America.
What do your family make of what you've been doing?
What do my family make?
Well, I don't chat to my mum anymore.
Why not?
Why not?
Because I just don't talk to her.
It's irrelevant to you, but I just don't chat to her, in it.
And what else?
My sisters are calm, but like, obviously, they don't fully commend what I do, but...
Do any of your family condemn what you do?
No, of course not.
Like, obviously.
They think it's all perfectly normal.
No, there's certain videos that they'll be like, no, you can't be doing that.
Like, especially this walking into the random house is one.
Certainly not.
But that was more of a spur of the moment thing.
I just got egged on and my ego got a hold of me.
And I realized that at that moment, and that's why I went to apologise the next day.
It all blew up out of proportion.
And I felt like bad, personally.
I don't think you felt bad.
Okay, well, you felt bad.
You can say that I fancy that.
I definitely felt bad.
Interrupt to me.
Why are you interrupting me?
I'm talking.
It's fine.
I'm talking.
I'm talking.
Carry on being an idiot.
Okay, okay.
We are sizing the districts every time.
I'm actually not going to call you Mizzy because it's obviously a stage.
I'll call you Bukari Bronze, right?
All right.
Bukari Bronze, let's try and talk to each other as human beings.
All right, Piers.
All right.
Yeah, I'm trying to understand why there's no real remorse here.
Why do you all remorse?
What do you mean the consequences of your apology?
I went to go apologise off social media.
I could have recorded that apology and that would have been another viral video, whether it's hate or whatever.
Literally, hate brings money.
Hate brings likes.
Hate brings views.
It doesn't matter.
Love or hate, it still brings views.
Why do you prefer to do the hateful stuff?
Not like I prefer to do the hateful stuff.
It's just like it's easier to do the hateful stuff.
Why are you laughing?
I think it's funny.
Obviously, I don't think it's fun, but you're a funny person.
You do think it's funny.
You're a funny person.
You do.
I've seen the videos.
You do.
Do you think it's just really funny?
At the time, I think it's funny.
My fan base thinks it's funny and it's we outside, isn't it?
It's a movement.
But deep down, being free and not letting anyone tell you nothing.
That's why I can do all of this stuff.
I'm the most hated person on the internet right now.
I'm not.
I don't know who you are.
Okay, then.
Whatever you say in it, whatever you say, most people watching this will have never heard of you.
Where you say, oh, now they are.
You just brought it to me.
They'll just look at the way you're behaving now and they'll think, yeah, he's a complete moron.
All right, and you're a complete moron.
You keep cutting me, interrupting me when I'm trying to talk.
Because you keep talking in this animated manner, trying to stop me asking you any questions.
And then you say, is it because I'm black?
Is it somehow?
You're going back to the race card.
Why are you going back to that?
I said that once.
And you mentioned it.
I mentioned it once.
I never once got your skin colour.
All right, cool.
Go on.
I don't care what colour you are.
If you were white, I'd have exactly the same view about your moronic behaviour.
But I'm curious, who in your family is there to tell you this?
Why do you go to my family?
I'm my own person.
So talk about me.
No, Talk about me, not my family.
Yes, but here's the problem.
What's the problem?
You are clearly a product of your upbringing.
No, I'm not.
I'm my own person.
I've always been my own person.
But you've had no one to tell you this is wrong.
Of course, people have told me it's wrong.
Family, friends, everyone's told me this is wrong.
Who's told you it's wrong?
What do you mean?
My own mother told me it's wrong.
There's been situations between me and my mum where I'm wrong.
Right, so your mother doesn't like what you're doing.
Yeah.
So why don't you stop doing it?
My mother told me to stop doing something.
Okay, that's your mother.
You listen to your mother.
You listen to somebody else.
I'm my own person.
I'm illegally at all now, so I can do what I do.
What are you going to do now?
What am I going to do now?
Twitter Mizzy is banned and I'm going to be on Twitch.
Yeah, I'm going to start streaming on Twitch.
IRO streams, gaming streams.
My Twitch is Mizzy as live if you want to get at that.
But yeah.
Did you want to try and come up with a sincere apology or not?
No, I don't need to come up with no sincere apology.
I already have my own remorse and I already remorse.
Okay, then whatever you want.
To you, it's all a bit of a jake.
And if you steal some old woman's dog, it's all a bit of fun.
If you jump on a Jewish man, it's all a bit of fun.
If you run into people's houses with young kids and terrorize them, it's all a bit of fun.
But what I'm saying is nothing really matters.
What I'm saying to you is there's been plans to change up everything.
Can you, you're just no hell opinion.
You just talk your own thing.
You have your own set.
Morals and yeah.
So that's you.
No, it's not about morality.
I just say what you say.
I was still talking.
I was still talking.
You interrupted me again.
Golfing Attitude Shifts Morals 00:15:16
Again, Piers.
Piers Morgan.
Why do you keep interrupting me?
Let me tell you, we're going to put both of ourselves out of this misery and we'll just end it there.
Because you are.
You should end it.
As I said at the start, you're just a complete moron.
And so are you, so until you just talk about it.
You will be treated like a moron.
You are missing.
The moron.
For the record, he wasn't paid for this, obviously.
I feel like paying viewers actually if I just put up with it.
Uncensored next from this idiot to a far more heartwarming story.
The Rocky Balboa of golf.
Michael Block's story has inspired the world unlike this.
and he'll be with me next to Tom.
Welcome back to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well, a few days ago, I opened this show by saying that in a world of moaning and groaning, whining and wailing, sulking and complaining, we should all be a little bit more like Michael Block.
He's the 46-year-old dad and local golf club pro who just lit up one of golf's major tournaments in spectacular fashion through sheer force of will.
He made the cut at a major PGA tournament for the first time last week where he electrified the crowds, huge crowds that came for him by the end.
Paired with superstar Rory McElroy and then dunked a ridiculously improbable hole in one that will be replayed for years to come.
Along the way, he charmed and delighted millions with his humility, his humor, his emotion and his can-do spirit.
And we now know a little bit more about how he did it and why we should indeed all be a little bit more like Michael Block.
It boils down to two short phrases and four words.
Firstly, scrawled on his golf balls are the words, why not?
That's what he once said to his caddy who just told him he was one putt away, a 22-foot putt, from making the US open.
And he nailed it because why not?
Secondly, his son Dylan, who's caddy for him in the past, apparently did something simple but extraordinary when Block's confidence was seriously flagging a few years ago.
He said, look inside your shoes, dad.
And when Block did, he saw the words, don't quit.
I love that.
Some people might think I've lost my marbles for banging on about a golfer all week.
But for me, it's not about golf.
It's not even really about sport.
It's about being a human being who's had a dream all his life.
And when he got the chance to realize that dream, he grabbed it by the scruff of the neck.
I called him the Rocky Balboa of golf for exactly that reason.
And I never missed an opportunity to play the Piers Morgan mantra for winning, not whining, spoken by the man himself.
Let me tell you something you already know.
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows.
It's a very mean and nasty place.
And I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.
You, me, or nobody is going to hit as hard as life.
But it ain't about how hard you hit.
It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.
How much you can take and keep moving forward.
That's how winning is done.
Well, no one personifies that spirit more than my next guest.
If that doesn't get you moving, nothing will, right?
Ironically, when my producers told me that Michael Block was unavailable for interview on Monday, I had two short phrases for them.
Why not?
Don't quit.
So I'm delighted to say Michael Block now joins me live from the Colonial Country Club in Texas.
Michael, a great honor to have you on Piers Morgan on Centre.
I want to start by an admission.
Until last week, I'd never heard of you.
Like probably most people who watched you.
And then by the end of the week, The whole of America knew you, the whole world knew you, and you had endeared yourself to tens of millions of people around the world.
How do you feel?
What's it been like to be Michael Block in the last few days?
It's probably Pierce.
I mean, you know how it feels, but for us average folks like me, yeah, it's exactly what you would think.
Your brain just is numb.
It's insane.
You can't comprehend what's even going on.
It's nuts.
I'm literally just floating around at this point.
And thank God I've got a whole bunch of people here helping me get through it.
And I got a couple more interviews, and then I'm going to get my clubs back out and practice all afternoon and get ready for tomorrow's tournament.
There was, this is one of the great benefits already.
You're being invited to take part in tournaments, which you wouldn't otherwise have been playing in.
Otherwise, you'd have been back at your local club teaching people how to play this game that you love.
You're 46 years old and you've had this burning dream for so long to actually realize that dream, to compete against the very best in one of the great major tournaments, and then to drain that ludicrous hole in one where you didn't even need the ball to bounce like the rest of us or go along the ground like the rest of us.
It just went straight in the hole with Rory McElroy haggling you, thousands of spectators going nuts, millions watching at home going nuts.
That moment.
I mean, is that the dream realized for you?
Whatever happens next?
You know, I mean, I've been playing tournament golf for, my goodness, 40 years.
I've never had a hole in one in a tournament in my life.
And for the ball to go directly into the hole, it was almost like somebody just grabbed it out of the air and threw it into the hole under those circumstances.
It's unbelievable.
And I guess that's why the story is what it is.
I mean, I couldn't have asked for a better timing of making a shot in my entire life.
And it happened.
Under those circumstances, playing with one of my idols, Rory McElroy, playing in front of the Rochester, New York fans who were absolutely behind me 100%.
And I wasn't even thinking about the millions of people behind all the cameras.
I was just sitting there wanting to let that crowd go absolutely crazy.
And I guess I did exactly what I needed to do on that hole.
You showed so much emotion throughout the whole process of this tournament.
And yet your wife has said that you never cried when your kids were born.
When your two sons, you're a very loving dad and they're both very good young golfers.
You never cried when they were born, but you've been weeping away for the last four days.
How do you explain you find this more emotional?
Oh boy.
You could say I love the game of golf unbelievably, but I mean obviously I love my kids more.
I love a lot of things more than golf, but golf is just this passion and it's a sport.
And the only time I had ever cried ever before I started crying about my own game was watching Rudy and watching the movie Rudy and when he puts that, you know, all the teammates come in and put their jerseys down so Rudy can play.
That's the only other time I remember ever having that emotional state and actually coming to tears.
And so now I feel like that every time I hear somebody tell me these items, like I had no idea that I was in the next PGA championship or how much I won or what other tournaments I got into.
And every single time I hear these great things, it just brings me to tears.
And it's been amazing.
And I am definitely an emotional roller coaster right now.
I mean, one of the most extraordinary of all the remarkable moments you've had is that you got, I think, three or four thousand text messages.
And you were told by somebody from Nike, look, you better check them.
Because in the middle of them is one from Michael Jordan, who'd seen you were wearing a pair of his sneakers.
Have you found that text?
And what did he say to you?
The second that I got the word, I go, you, what?
I go, Michael texts me.
I'm like, I didn't see it.
And they're like, you're kidding me?
I'm like, no.
And so I just started scrolling and scrolling.
And I have literally thousands upon thousands of texts.
And half of them don't have a name.
And I definitely didn't have his name in my contacts.
So I kept on scrolling, finally found it.
And he basically said something down to the lines that this is why he loves the game of golf so much.
And my big request from him is that I want to spend one of those days with him at his course and play 36 Holes with him and his friends.
And that just will make my life complete.
I mean, Michael Jordan, for many the greatest athlete to ever play any sport, to be taking time out of his life to text you, Michael Block, that's a remarkable thing, right?
I don't think, you know, outside of my friends and family, nobody ever texted me before last week.
So yeah, having Michael Jordan and all the other texts I've had since then, it's ridiculously fun and exciting and very, very surreal.
What does your wife say about this?
I mean, she's been, they say behind every great man is a greater woman.
She's lived this dream with you, I guess, vicariously through the good and bad, often bad, I guess, often tough, certainly.
It's not easy to be a journeyman professional golfer.
How important has she been to you?
Unbelievable.
She's been there for me all the way.
She stood by me, you know, when I was making $8.50 when I started my job.
And I always said, trust me, honey, trust me, I'm always going to have you covered ever since then.
And that's been always my goal, right?
To be able to raise my family in a great spot in Southern Orange County in California, which isn't easy.
And it's been huge.
And she's just a rock for me.
And she understands what I've been through, the good and the bad.
And she's going to come in hopefully Saturday here to Fort Worth.
I just have to make the cut.
What did your boys say?
Because I know at least one of them often caddies for you, but didn't on this occasion.
What did they make of this?
Their dad, their hero, suddenly becoming the world's hero.
I've never, you know, I've never heard my oldest one say so many positive things about me.
Usually, you know, I was always the enemy and the, you know, the guy that he was trying to beat on the golf course.
And, you know, my youngest one, Ethan, he's a sweetheart.
He's always been the same way.
But now, all of a sudden, Dylan's chimed in and he thinks dad's pretty cool now.
So it's pretty awesome.
You know, it's pretty awesome as a father that has the 16 and 18 year old boys for them to look up to their pops is really awesome.
And I haven't seen them since.
I've not seen them for one second.
So I can't wait to be back in California here in the whatever it is by hopefully Sunday night and give them big hugs.
Dylan, of course, was caddying for you when you had a low moment.
I think in 2018, you were feeling low about your game.
And he said, look in your shoes, Dad.
And it just said the words, don't quit.
How important was that moment to you?
He was 13 years old.
I just made a triple bogey.
I had to finish in the top 20 of that tournament to get into the PJ Championship in 2018 at Bell Reef Country Club in St. Louis.
I grew up a mile from Bell Reef Country Club.
So it was my number one priority checklist to make happen.
So I'm walking off this hole, just making a horrible mess of it, triple bogey.
And I'm walking off.
He's 13.
He's like this high, right?
He's a little guy.
And he says, hey, Dad, he goes, Dad, did you lick in your shoes?
And I'm like, no, buddy.
I just got these last week.
And he goes, it says, don't quit.
So you're not going to quit on me.
And I mean, I got emotional at that point, too.
And I'm like, my kids say that to me.
I mean, come on, let's go.
And I refocused and I got into a playoff.
I made a birdie in the playoffs and I got into the PGA championship in 2018, which was unreal.
It was amazing.
And it was also amazing that your golf balls have the words, why not?
And the story's great where you're qualifying for the USO being a 22-foot putt.
Why not?
Is what you and your caddy, you said, why not?
Why shouldn't I get this in?
And you had the same attitude.
Actually, I watched the interviews as you progressed in the PGA tournament.
You just kept thinking, rather than downplaying the fact you were there, you kept saying, well, why shouldn't I be here?
I'm a professional golfer.
On my day, I can compete with these guys.
But to actually then compete with these guys at their level, to be with Rory McElroy and play as well as he did on that final day.
That for you as a golfer, what a moment.
I'll tell you what, everyone should live that way.
You know, whether it's going to a business meeting or a sport or going to your softball game or whatever it might be.
I mean, if you live with that mantra, why can't it happen to me?
It's going to work.
It's a positive.
One of the biggest things for me is to take the negatives out of the brain and replace them with positives.
So if I'm thinking positively, I can't think about two things at the same time.
So I'm going to keep focusing on that.
And that's worked out beautifully for me.
So I keep that mantra going and I kept it going last week.
I'm going to keep it going this week and hopefully the rest of my life.
And I'm trying to teach my boys to do the same thing.
And for people watching this who have their own dream, whatever it is, not necessarily golf, just a dream in life.
You've realized your dream at 46, where many may have given up hope.
What is your message to people living a dream of any age, given what you've just achieved?
Well, if you're passionate about it and you work as hard as you possibly can, you're going to give yourself the best opportunity to have it happen.
Is it a guaranteed to have happen?
Absolutely not.
But at the end of the day, you know, when you're about to leave this planet, you can look back at it and you said, I gave it 100% because the last thing I'm going to do is leave this planet thinking I only gave it 60%.
Or, hey, you know, maybe I'm just too tired.
I'm going to go home and relax.
Now, go out, play that extra nine.
Go out, practice a little harder.
Go work on that, you know, presentation you're going to give the next day a little harder.
Give it that extra 100%.
And when it's all said and done, you'll be way happier about it for yourself.
Finally, Michael, it's traditional, of course, whoever gets a hole in one in golf buys everybody in the clubhouse a drink.
And in fact, Brooks Kepku won the tournament when he saw you went, I hear the beers are on you, buddy, or words to that effect.
When you go back to your club, will you be buying everybody in that clubhouse?
It'll be going nuts on your behalf, watching their pro take the PGA by storm.
Are you going to go back and buy them all a drink?
100%.
Thanks, Pierce, for saying that.
You know, they're going to take me for sure up on that now.
So, yeah, I will.
I will.
As long as they were in there for that, you know, when they were going nuts when that hole won, everybody that was in there at that point, without a doubt, drinks are on me when I get back.
And just to clarify, the moment you knew you'd got that hole in one, better than sex, Michael?
Absolutely not.
You thought about that.
I'm not even sure that's a genuine answer, but you thought your wife's watching this, didn't you?
Be honest.
You're horrible.
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That was great, though.
Michael, I'm going to get some for that.
You are, eventually, you managed to get the right answer out.
What did Rory McElroy say to you just finally?
Because you were playing with this great guy.
He was so moved, I think, by the whole experience.
He said you had bigger crowds following you than him.
And he hugged you at the end.
What did he say to you?
Oh, he was instrumental.
How sweet he was and how nice he was to me the entire time.
Took me under his wing, as did Rosie on Saturday.
That was huge.
That's probably one of the reasons I was able to shoot a 71 that final round and have that stuff happen.
But he just said, keep it going.
Just be you.
That's what I kept in hearing from a lot of the guys.
Just be you.
Keep doing what you're doing.
And that's what I'm going to do.
I'm just trying to be me still.
I'm out here in Texas now.
I'm going to do the exact same thing I did last week.
Does that guarantee that I'm going to have a hole in one or finish 15th?
Absolutely not.
But you guys all know that at the end of the day, that when I leave here and when I leave Texas and go back to California, I gave it everything I had.
Michael, you're fantastic.
Honestly, I loved the interviews through the progress of that tournament.
I love the hole in one.
I love the magic of it all.
I love the hope and inspiration you've given every golfer like me in the world playing around off 16 and hoping that one day maybe we could do what you did.
You lived a dream for a lot of us, a lot of pros, a lot of everyone actually living a dream out there.
Thank you for that.
And congratulations.
Honestly, it's one of the great sports stories of recent years.
And I loved every second of it.
Hey, Pierce, thank you so much.
And thanks for having me on.
Good to see you.
Ron says the next, should British police be a little more German when taking on eco-warriors who try to shut down our roads and public transport?
I'll debate that with the Piers Pack next.
Welcome back to Piers Morgan Centre.
A game of two halves this evening when it comes to our interview guest, talk to your contributor Esther Krack, who is here.
The Mirrors Associate Editor Kevin McGrath, I'm talking to your presenter, Rosanna Lockwood.
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Well, welcome to all three of you.
Yeah, a game of two halves, Kevin.
Perhaps the best and the worst of humanity so far dragged out for the dedication of our viewers.
Look, let's start with this kid, Mizzy, the TikToker.
I didn't actually want to be too tough with him because he's 18 and he thinks he's a prankster.
You know, who knows how malevolent his thinking really was.
He probably just thought it was all a bit of a jape.
He's not got much of a deterrent today.
I mean, a £360-odd pound fine.
And if you do it again, you get a more tough sentence.
Is that the right message to send to kids like this?
No, but I think what he really needs is a mentor, somebody to take in hand, because, look, he didn't feel sincere in his apologies.
But he's a clever, smart lad.
He's got talent there.
You want to harness it because you can't have him going around causing trouble for families.
And it's noticeable.
No, I'm not saying.
I'm not a dog of an old woman.
He didn't take it from a six foot two gym buddy with a rock.
He's not clever or smart.
He's part of a narcissistic generation that thinks they can do whatever they want to be laughed at on the internet with likes and tweets.
He makes a very good case for bringing back corporal punishment.
He was completely not remorseful.
He was completely...
What would happen if he pulled this stunt or these stunts in?
Oh, my gosh.
I was actually in the green room with their phone.
We're like, if you went gone, I'm...
I mean, there are lots of, I mean, in America, he just shot.
I knew that.
And, you know, I mean, that's, I just felt within him.
Rosanna, you then said, where's your mother?
I don't talk to her.
He didn't mention a father.
You just wonder who is there as his any kind of moral compass.
It felt by the end all he was doing was promoting his next thing or whatever.
I sort of agree with Kevin to a degree is that he's not an idiot.
I mean, I called him an idiot for his idiotic behavior, but to actually do what he was doing, he's got some ability.
He just harnesses it in completely the wrong way, right?
I mean, how do you harness that and make him think that there's a better way to make money and to have a life?
At 18, unfortunately, it might be too late.
And watching it, it was quite uncomfortable watching it because I felt like he was about 14 or 15.
But he is a legal adult, as he said himself.
But it's not TikTok's fault, as some people have said.
You know, we need to regulate the social media platforms, but it is something to do with attention, the attention that these kids need.
And he was saying, I don't care if I'm liked or disliked, I just know I want to be talked about.
And that's something, you know.
Well, look, I'd be the last person on earth to condemn that philosophy.
But I just think that what he was doing, again, I agree with you about the kind of things he was doing.
It's a form of terror that he was doing.
Albeit I'm not entirely sure he understood that.
And for him to play the race card, I'm so sorry.
Well, that was prophetic.
I think that's what incensed me the most.
It's because we've given people like this an avenue to just, you know, abuse the system, right?
You can't, this is not a race issue.
And if actually, if he was in the part of the world where they're majority black people, he would never get away with this because discipline is quite strict in other parts of the world.
But also, it's got nothing to do with his skincare.
Exactly.
No, but he's not had the easiest start.
That's not an instant life.
I'm sorry.
That's not exactly.
No, no, no.
But it's an explanation of why he's behaving.
And it's why somehow give him something constructive in his life because he is talented.
Yeah, but you see, you see, Rosanna says TikTok isn't responsible.
I'm not so sure about that.
These social media companies, they don't want to be regulated like publishers or broadcasters.
They do allow their platforms to be misused in this way.
This kid was racking up loads of likes and attention and buzz and noise without TikTok doing anything about it.
You know, when you start terrorising, going into people's homes and when they've got young kids in there or you're taking an old woman's dog, that shouldn't be allowed to be on a platform.
Where is the regulation of that content?
Well, it does raise the question.
This kind of behavior has been happening forever with teenagers, you know, unfortunately.
Pranksters, you know, bad apples.
There's going to be people out there.
It's just now that they can video it and share it amongst themselves.
Does it encourage people to do that?
Well, the other thing that's going on, of course, are the Just Stop Oil protesters.
And we've got a little lesson, I think, from our friends in Germany about how to deal with these people.
This is what they do over there.
What's that?
Kind of an instant swap team.
Right.
Off you go.
No mucking around.
I mean, Esther, again, it does seem to me we are very namby-pamby with these protesters when they're genuinely causing mass disruption to people to go about their lives.
Well, it completely undermines our faith in the police and the people that are around to protect us because they always sort of break the boundaries between actually protesting and then putting the public at risk.
And the Germans understand how to deal with these people.
You can absolutely protest peacefully, but when you get to the point where you're gluing yourself to the M25, for instance, you're actually posing a risk to the public.
And I think that's what we're really struggling to get right here in this country.
Should we go a bit more German, Kevin?
Yeah, I wouldn't be against it.
I believe in the right to protest, but I also think of you protests as a right for the police to come and move you out of the way because you've got to feel for the frustration of people who are driving out of work or going home, whatever they're doing.
Ambulance.
Yeah, when people just...
Here's the hard question, though, Rosella.
Because, you know, if you go back and chart the history of, say, the suffragettes, they did a lot of public disorder and disruption.
But they made progress for that reason.
No, no, they did.
And that's my point.
Although I find them very objectionable the way they go about their business, they would argue with some merit, well, we're only doing what the suffragettes did when they wanted to get the vote.
What's the difference?
They had to use disruptive tactics and disrupt the public to get what they wanted.
A massive existential issue.
You do have to do something about it.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger said it this week in an interview.
You know, he said, the world, there are people around the world that are not happy with the way governments are dealing with the climate crisis.
You're going to need a form of action.
Here's the difference.
The suffragettes were fighting for the right to have rights that were being deprived of them.
They're not being deprived of anything.
That's the difference.
These just the oil protests are wanting to take away people's rights to basically use whatever fossil fuels they want for companies to produce fossil fuels and all of that.
The suffragettes were fighting for the right to get the vote.
They're not being deprived of anything.
They're trying to deprive the public of the future.
They're fighting for our existential existence.
But Musk's drunk.
No, but monks don't do this.
Okay, monks can argue that actually we're going to go to Oxford Street and shout about how your soul needs to be saved if you don't become a Buddhist.
Right?
No, but they make that okay if they do it.
Yeah, but why can't you campaign against fossil fuels?
My heart is with just stop.
You can do it.
I just think my head says if you block roads or you jump on a snooker table, you're not going to win public situations.
You know what?
And gave everything to a homeless person.
Does that make me right?
You're not planning to get breakfast.
I'm tickling it.
I'm ticked on it.
A quick word, Rosanna, about Tina Turner.
Yeah, go ahead.
Because one of the all-time greats.
I mean, I don't think I've been to a party in my life where at some stage there hasn't been a Tina Turner song.
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
Look at her.
She's a legend.
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She's so well known.
83 years old, though, and was fighting a long illness.
So, you know, tragic times indeed, but I don't think it's come as a great surprise for anyone.
I was just talking to one of the makeup artists for your show, and she said she has worked with the lady who plays Tina Turn on the West End stage.
And she said, Tina Turner looked very well recently.
I saw her in a restaurant in southern France once, and she just walked in and the whole place stood up.
I've not seen that very often.
It's an amazing moment.
I've never heard anybody who didn't like her.
I didn't rate her.
And you're right, the songs are just fantastic.
And on the all the domestic violence that she endured at the hands of her husband, Ike, that also made her, I think, for a lot of women, an iconic figure.
And her grit, absolutely.
I mean, she worked for two years, I think, to pay off the debts that incurred from her separation from it.
She was on food stamps for two years.
She worked in bars and jazz lounges.
Incredible.
What a performer.
When she did, I mean, she sang simply the best.
For what she did, simply the best.
I mean, really, in terms of great foot-stomping, you know, rock star women, I think Tina Turner for me was number one.
Talking of number one, I'm off next week.
And Rosanna, you got the short straw.
You are filling in for me again.
It's a bit like, you know, trying to hold the fault for Frank Sinatra in Vegas, but you know, good luck.
I mean, I'm sloshing around in those big shoes and trying to fill it.
Well, I appreciate you doing it.
Thank you very much.
Thanks to my pack as well.
Uncensored next.
Ron DeSantis formally takes on Donald Trump as he launches his bid for the White House tonight in an interview with Elon Musk, actually.
It's going live on Twitter.
But can he win the battle for the heart and minds and success potentially of the Republican Party?
We'll debate that next.
Well, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is finally announcing his long-anticipated 2024
Republican presidential bid.
Tonight has formally filed paperwork to confirm his candidacy.
He'll launch his campaign not on TV, but a conversation on Twitter with its CEO, Elon Musk.
We'll be interviewing Ron DeSantis, and he has quite an announcement to make.
And we'll be the first time that something like this is happening on social media.
Well, Donald Trump, who launched his second presidential bid in November last year, has repeatedly trash-talked the governor.
The former president is well ahead in the polls at the moment, but this is a turning point for DeSantis in the battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
Do you know what I mean?
I was best-selling author and columnist for the Summer New York Post, Douglas Murray, and Fox Nation and Outkick host, Tommy Lehran.
Okay, Douglas Murray, this is a really interesting moment, I think, in this race, because the narrative so far, Donald Trump is unassailable as Republican nominees, way ahead in the polls, blah, And yet DeSantis has managed to be polling in the mid-20s without actually announcing he's been running.
How significant is tonight going to be, do you think?
I think it's very significant.
I mean, this is it.
They're off.
You know, the Republican contenders who've been holding back all this time have finally started to come out and the race is now on.
As you say, Piers, I mean, Trump is so far ahead of the other candidates currently among Republican voters that you may say, some people have, that it's basically an unassailable lead.
I don't think that's inevitable.
As you say, I mean, Ron DeSantis is just about to start his campaign.
From here on, he will do all the interviews.
He'll be questioned about all of the things he hasn't yet had a chance to talk about.
He'll be able to talk up all of the policies and the successes he's had in Florida as governor and talk about how he can roll them out on the national stage.
So this is really the beginning of the race.
There's one big conundrum for the Republicans in this race, which is essentially the Republicans desperately want Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee, and the Democrats desperately want Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee.
Almost all the polls show that if Trump goes against Biden, Trump loses.
But the question is, as it were, what do you do about the Republican primaries?
And that's the first thing to get through.
Yeah.
I want to play, Tommy, before I come to you, just a clip from my interview with Ron DeSantis last month down in Florida at the governor mansion.
Quite interesting when I asked him, does he have what it takes to be president?
Do you think you have what it takes to be president of the United States?
Look, I think what it takes is to have a vision for the country, have the ability to exercise leadership, and being willing to stand in that fire when it gets really, really hot and not back down under pressure.
And I think I have all those things.
You think, Tommy, I think people underestimate DeSantis.
This is a guy who was a Harvard and Yale student graduate.
He then went and became a special counsel, legal counsel, to the commander of SEAL Team 1 in Fallujah for a year in Iraq during the worst year for the war for the Americans.
So this is a guy who understands the heat of battle quite literally.
What do you make of him as a candidate?
I think he's going to be an excellent candidate.
And again, if we were talking about this race without the Trump card in it, so to speak, I think it would be a very different discussion.
But he's going to have a big battle ahead.
And unfortunately, it's not going to be really battling the left or battling the Democrats.
That's something I think he could do with ease.
It's going to be battling Donald Trump and making sure that while he takes on Donald Trump, he doesn't offend the flock of Trump supporters that want Trump, only want Trump.
They're always going to be loyal to Trump.
We've put ourselves in an interesting position here where we may very well nominate somebody to our ticket that cannot win a general election out of loyalty alone.
And that's something that the GOP is going to have to grapple with and decide if loyalty is more important than winning the White House.
I don't think it is.
And I say that as a Trump supporter.
I think that's an excellent point.
You know, I think that this is, as you said, Douglas, the conundrum facing him.
Let me ask you a hypothetical.
Should Ron DeSantis win the nomination, could you ever imagine Trump then playing the kind of role of kingmaker where he gets behind him to win the national election?
Or do you think Trump would behave as I would expect Trump to behave and run off and throw his toys out of the pram and try and run as an independent or something crazy?
I was talking about this with somebody earlier today.
I said, if you can, can you imagine somebody, anybody, less likely to put the interests of their party ahead of themselves than Donald J. Trump?
I mean, at any point where he thinks he might lose, when that comes to him, when that realization comes to him, perhaps he might realize that, you know, he doesn't want to be a two-time loser.
I mean, here's a question I would ask Trump if I had the opportunity, which is, you know, given that you still claim that 2020 was rigged, what do you think is different in 2024?
What are you doing about it?
What have you done?
And the answer as usual is nothing.
So for Trump, there is obviously going to be some point at which you'll have to work out, do I want to be a loser twice around?
Or do I want to present myself as having the ability to win, but having chosen not to go forward at some point this time?
I just don't see him ever dropping out of this race without trying to destroy the Republican Party along with him.
I'm afraid I share that fear, actually.
And if I was a Republican voter, I would be thinking quite hard about that.
Let me ask you, Tommy, another hypothetical.
Should Ron DeSantis win the nomination?
It's going to be tough for him.
He's going to take down Trump.
But if he does, and I wouldn't underestimate him at all from my experience of time with him, could you see the Democrats then creating some health problem with Joe Biden that means he can't run against somebody literally half his age with three times energy and dynamism?
And they then parachute somebody in like Gavin Newsome, say the young Californian governor.
Could you see that hypothetical happening?
Yeah, I don't just see it happening.
I think that is exactly what is going to happen if Ron DeSantis is our nominee.
I think the Biden camp thinks that they can hide Joe in the basement yet again and beat Donald Trump because they're going after Donald Trump with the media, the legal system.
I mean, you name it.
They're throwing everything in the kitchen sink at Donald Trump.
So I think that they feel rather comfortable running against Trump, even if everything is in disarray, quite literally, in this country.
But Ron DeSantis, oh, I don't think so.
I think exactly what you just said is going to happen.
It's going to be Joe is going to step down due to his age.
They're going to bring Gavin Newsom in.
I guarantee you, that is going to be the pathway if Ron DeSantis is our nominee.
They will not take that chance of running Joe Biden against Ron DeSantis.
Okay, I want two names from both of you.
Douglas, I want to know who's going to win the Republican nomination and who's going to win the 2024 election.
Give me two names.
Currently, it'll be Donald Trump getting the Republican nomination and Joe Biden being president.
If it happens the other way around, by the way, if it becomes DeSantis versus Newsom, that is a real election.
It is.
That is the success of Florida versus the catastrophe of California.
And I'll just see that.
I've only got eight seconds, Tommy.
Give me two names, Republican nomination and the winner of the 2024.
All right, I'm going to be optimistic.
I do think that Trump is going to end up being our nominee.
And I'm going to tell you, I think he's going to win against Joe Biden because I think this party is going to do everything.
Trump and Trump, Tommy.
So I think it's going to be Trump Biden.
And I think Trump is going to be a bit more comfortable.
I've got to leave it.
Douglas, Tommy, thank you both very much indeed.
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