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April 27, 2023 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Cancelled Culture and Hypocrisy 00:01:34
I'm Piz Morgan uncensored tonight the stunning arrogance and hypocrisy of cancelled culture.
There's public backlash to a trans marathon runner and an attack on the late Barry Humphreys show the woke worm may finally be turning or debate.
Another presidential candidate is on Tancensore, Robert Kennedy Jr.
Yes, one of the Kennedys, known as the Black Sheep Act of America's most famous political dynasty, but could he put a serious dent in Biden's bid for re-election?
His poll numbers are surging and he joins me live.
And a final thought on a cultural icon and a great friend of mine, legendary talk show host Jerry Springer, who is on America's Got Talent with me and Sharon Osborne will be on the show tonight.
And we're going to pay tribute to the late, great Jerry Springer.
Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well good evening from London.
Welcome to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
It's impossible to read a newspaper, turn on the TV or browse any social media without running headfirst into a wall of virtue signaling babble.
It's engineered to make you feel like a terrible person at the hands of a condescending mob policing their own private rulebook on integrity and ethics.
And most of them are stinking hypocrites.
Take the late great Barry Humphries.
The Melbourne International Comedy Festival in his native Australia has announced it will arrange a fitting tribute to a man they now call a comic genius.
So far so good.
Rules Matter in Sports 00:15:40
He was.
But then you remember that a few years ago the very same organisation publicly disowned him.
Barry Humphreys had had the temerity to say he was worried about the way gender ideology was now being pushed on young kids in schools.
So the festival's director Susan Provan, who this week hailed Barry Humphreys as an incredible artist, led the original charge against him, snootily condemning his unhelpful opinions.
After that, he was of course branded a fascist transphobe as anyone that raises any questions about all this is immediately branded.
And the festival stripped his name from the Barry Award they created in his honor.
They cancelled him and that decision hurt Barry Humphreys personally as his closest friends have attested.
How couldn't it?
This was his world, the comedy world, in his country.
And they stripped it away from him.
And now the very same people who did that to Barry Humphreys want us to forget they ever did this.
Forget that they chucked him under the wheels of their warped morality bus to score a few cheat points at their smug dinner parties and bag some validation on Twitter.
Well frankly they can shove it.
They can shove their endorsement of Barry Humphreys now that he's dead.
They never un-cancelled him when he was alive and they shouldn't be allowed to do it now.
And then we come to this.
Glenique here.
Not your first marathon I believe.
No, this will be 17 and I'm doing the six majors so I've just done Tokyo and New York last year and then this year Chicago Berlin 2024 will be the number six and then that's a week before London so a week rest but trick girl power.
Yeah that's actually the first marathon though that that particular guest on the BBC had run as a woman.
Of the 40,000 athletes running the London Marathon the BBC decided to interview Glenique Frank, an apparently transgender woman who unsurprisingly placed ahead of 14,000 biological females in the race because Glennique ran the New York marathon in November last year as Glenn, a man.
Now all week we've been hectored about why this is progressive and wonderful.
The rest of us who question this are wicked biggers and transphobes are suggesting there might be a fairness issue here with somebody who has run as a male through to their 50s, including only a few weeks ago in New York, and is now identifying as female and demolishing a lot of the field.
Well, now the runner in question has apologised.
Glennique, Glenn, Glenique, has offered to hand back their medal and said they will run in the male category in future as Glenn.
So no longer Glenique.
And so the mob has, of course, dispersed.
The facts don't fit their agenda anymore.
And nothing better spells out, doesn't it, the intransigence of this culture than the transgender swim in America, Leah Thomas, who far from being cowed by the perfectly justified criticism from fair non-minded people who think it's just plainly wrong that a six foot four inch biological male who was unsuccessful competing against men in swimming competitions is now demolishing biological females after identifying as a woman.
Well, not only apparently are we all wrong for questioning that, says Leah Thomas, but we're also, all of us, male and female, bad feminists.
You can't really have that sort of half support where you're like, oh, I respect her as a woman here, but not here.
They're using the guise of feminism to sort of push transphobic beliefs.
And I think a lot of people in that camp sort of carry an implicit bias against trans people, but don't want to, I guess, fully manifest or speak that out.
And so they try to just play it off as this sort of half support.
I wonder you could be thinking about this sort of half in, half out.
As my friend Martina Ratilova, a legendary, legendary gay feminist sportswoman put it, stop explaining feminism to feminists.
But of course, Leah Thomas won't care.
Leah Thomas is winning races that she would not be winning if she was still competing as a man, making a ton of money, appearing on all the top media, all the magazine covers.
There's a lot of money being made in this area right now.
And they don't think they're right.
They know they're right.
We're the ones that are wrong.
And if we dare raise a scintilla of an issue about any of this, we are transphobic.
We're the bad guys and gals.
And they attack like a swarm of locusts, don't they, on social media for a fleeting moment of self-righteous thrill because, as they're so fond of telling us, they are on the right side of history.
Until it's with Barry Humphreys, it turns out, actually, they're not.
That actually they were on the wrong side of history after all.
And they just want us to pretend we never knew.
Well, I'm joined now by the British Olympic Marathon runner, Mara Yamauchi, and by rapper and podcast host, Zubi.
Great to see you here, Zubi, who once took part in a weightlifting competition four years ago as a woman to kind of prove a point.
And guess what?
He won.
And by talk TV contributor Paula Rhode Adrian, who will still be attempting to defend the Indefensible on this issue.
Well, Glennique Frank, just to be clear, or Glenn Frank, whichever Glenn or Glenique is identifying as this week, was invited to appear but pulled out this morning.
And like I say, Glennique or Glenn, again, we don't know because Glenique's going back to being Glenn in future races and has always run as Glenn before, did say it was wrong.
But you are asked when you enter the London Marathon, which category do you want to run in, male or female?
Or non-binary.
It's ridiculous.
The whole thing is ridiculous, as I keep saying.
But there are still people who think this is perfectly fair and equal.
And we should all just stop making such a fuss about it.
So let's have a little chat about this.
Well, Zubi, let me start with you, because you've come all the way in here.
Great to see you in London.
I love the fact that you tested all this four years ago and you did it to raise the problem as an issue.
And of course you demolished all the females that you were up against because physically, as a biological male, you're simply more powerful.
But you expose the futility, if you like, and unfairness and inequality of self-identity if it becomes limitless like this.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've been talking for more than five years at this point, but especially the past four publicly about the absurdity of the issue.
And that's why back in February 2019, I had that tweet I put out there with a video of me breaking the British women's deadlift record while claiming I identified as a woman.
You literally broke the women's record.
Yeah, so to be clear, it wasn't in a sanctioned competition, but it was from one of my training sessions just showing how easily I could lift a weight that's looking at it now.
This is you as a woman.
Yeah, it wasn't exactly difficult.
Lifting about 17 Paula Ron Adrian, I would imagine.
And I know you like a bit of weightlifting, Paula.
So why don't you try and lift a bit of that later in your gym?
See how you get on.
Here's a spoiler alert.
You won't be able to.
Not because you're not a very strong lady and not because you're not a very committed athlete in your own right.
It's because of the biological differences.
Is the penny dropping?
So I get it, but what I wonder is whether you get it, Piers.
What am I missing?
What I wonder is why it is you're struggling with the fact that some people are different.
I don't know.
And the people who have decided that they are different and who want to live a different life, some of them have the capacity to do that medically and legally.
And they should be permitted to do that.
Totally respect that.
Always have done.
Always supported trans people's rights to fairness and equality.
Right to the point.
It clearly erodes women's rights.
That's my only concern about it.
So where the absurdity comes, I worry, is where we've got this example of the marathon runner.
And this was a fun run.
It's the marathon.
It's not a fun run.
It's a great example.
It's not a fun run.
It's a great example of it.
Tens of thousands of people raise a ton of money and it's a serious competitive race.
It's a great example of people getting the opportunity to push themselves, not only personally, but also in terms of their charitable charities.
And this is a person who did that.
And they are not so fearful.
They're so fearful.
They've had to apologise.
They've had to offer to hand back their medal.
Well, they weren't that fearful because Glenn entered as Glenn Eeke and Glenn Eeke finished a lot further in the race in the women's field than Glenn would have done in the men's field.
And how relevant is that to you, Piers?
Actually, to everyone I know.
It's not relevant.
To everybody I know that racism the London Marathon is every position counts.
They all want to improve their time.
It wasn't a gold medal including the front runners meeting.
It was about taking part.
So you think it's meaningless, the London Marathon?
No, absolutely not.
It's actually taken...
I've continued, and people running past me, I see people running past me of all different sizes, shapes, running for all different types of causes.
And that's what it's all about.
It's inclusivity.
All right, but let me bring in an actual Olympian rather than somebody who sounds like she thinks she ought to be one.
Mara, you've been listening very patiently to all this.
You've been a proper athlete here.
Just try and explain to me, well, to Paula, really, why this is so unfair.
So males and females have, there's a massive difference in our physical abilities.
In upper body strength, like in Zuby's bench press and deadlift women's world records, you know, there's a massive, massive difference.
In running, it's about 10%.
Therefore, we must have sex-based categories, male and female.
Otherwise, females would be entirely absent from sport.
And to answer Paula's point about it being a fun run, yes, a lot of people enjoy it and do great things like raising money.
But Glenn could have done that in the men's category and not caused unfairness for the 20,000 odd females who ran in the mass race.
I have to also clarify that Glenn ran as Glenn in the Tokyo Marathon last month, but also in the women's category, as he did in London.
And, you know, you can say, well, the mass race is just a bit of fun, the mass race at the London Marathon.
But an event like that is either a sports competition or it isn't.
If you're going to say it's just a fun run, then why do they have a measured course?
Why do they have timing equipment and a referee to enforce the rules?
Even if people enjoy themselves and raise money for charity, it still is a competition.
Rules matter, and people have to respect the rules.
And Glenn on GB News gave an interview last night.
It was clear he had no idea what the rules are.
He was talking about surgery and passports, but the rules, British athletics rules, which apply to the London Marathon, required testosterone suppression to under five nanomoles for 12 months to become eligible and then continue suppression to remain eligible.
He was talking about hormone therapy in the future tense, so it's clear he's done no testosterone suppression at all.
He wasn't eligible for the female category.
And therefore, my view is he should be disqualified because he hasn't, he's just not, he's not eligible.
Well, no question.
There's no question of that.
I mean, what's interesting to me, two things about you in particular: one, your courage in speaking out about this, because you were, of course, immediately bombarded with insults and abuse and threats, called a transphobe, a turf, their favourite phrase for stating what are simple biological facts.
But also, you are, by your own admission, you're slightly left-leaning.
You're not on the right, you're not trying to score some political point against the left.
Like a lot of people, I mean, I've always probably politically been slightly left to centre, maybe centre.
I'm really a journalist, I don't really care about an ideology either way, to be honest with you.
But I'm certainly not on the right.
But like a lot of people like you, like me, like Bill Maher interviewed last week in America, we find ourselves completely bemused that people, so-called liberals, on this ultra-woke side now of the spectrum, have lost their minds.
Yeah, I mean, I've been a centre-left voter all my life, but for me, this isn't about left or right.
For me, this is about the rights to safety, dignity, privacy, and in sport, fair competition and safety for 51% of the population.
And people say, oh, Glennique only finished 6,100 and something.
You know, get a life.
But nearly 14,000 women suffered a worse finish position.
What I would say to people who say that is, okay, how many women do you think it's okay to suffer to indulge the feelings of one male competing in the female?
Well, what about I totally agree?
And what about, I mean, I said to Paula, what about Laurel Hubbard, the New Zealand weightlifter, who qualified for the first Olympics a couple of years ago, having set records in the women's field, but she took the place of a woman weightlifter.
The average age for the weightlifters in that competition was about half Laurel Hubbard's age.
She'd been very unsuccessful as a male weightlifter by comparison, but she deprived a biological female of an Olympic place in that team.
That to me is completely wrong.
Now, someone said to me on TV in America last week, a female congresswoman, well, what would you do about it then?
I went, well, fine.
I want trans athletes to be able to compete fairly and to be able to compete.
So they either compete against their biological sex, which seems to me physically fair, or they have a completely new category of transport.
Why not?
So there's two things here.
Just getting back to the marathon.
If Glenique wasn't eligible, then there's no discussion here.
Because absolutely, if she wasn't eligible, then she wasn't eligible.
What I'm talking about in terms of the marathon is when I ran the marathon, I was running with men and women, young people, old people, all running together.
And what I'm saying is, is this fear that the headline around this is bringing up?
It's bringing up a fear.
It's making very vulnerable people, and we know that they're very vulnerable because we're told by the stats that they are the most likely group of people to commit suicide.
So this is not just about a fun run.
This is not just about women who require vulnerable spaces.
This is not what we're talking about.
Okay, but Zubi, I would say to that, that the, of course, I'm very aware of the issues that trans people have had and continue to have.
But I think people like Leah Thomas, people like Glennie here, they cause massive bigger problems for the trans community.
They make the whole thing look like a mockery.
They make a mockery of being trans.
And when you put your hand up as a six foot four inch biological man and say, I am now competing against women in a swimming pool, no trans person who doesn't want that attention is doing anything other than saying, this is making my life hell.
Why are you doing this?
Yeah, you're absolutely right in that the so-called activists are harming the group that they're claiming to advocate for, as well as harming 51% of the whole human population.
Because let's be real, all of this stuff, all the negative downstream impacts are on girls and women.
The Legal Reality of Gender 00:02:58
They are not on boys and men at all.
I'd say this whole thing is incredibly misogynistic, and I don't like to throw that word around too much.
To take the conversation up a level as well, I have a question.
And the whole thing is, why are we trying to force people?
And why are so many people entertaining the denial of reality itself?
Women's rights are incredibly important.
Fairness in sports is important.
Safety and security and privacy, all of these things are very important.
The fundamental problem at the root of this is everyone dancing around pretending that a man can truly be a woman and a woman can truly be a man.
This is not me being transphobic or hateful or being a bigot, anything like that.
It's simply that reality exists.
Biology is real.
And is that reality a legal one?
Because in this country, it is a legal reality, Zubi, that you can change your gender.
You cannot change your biological sex.
It's physically impossible.
I'm saying to you, it's a legal reality.
It isn't.
Can you change your biological sex?
We can talk about biology and we can talk about the legality.
But we're talking about biology, though.
This thing is about sport.
This is about males and females.
Well, the problem when we talk about biology is, and neither are us a scientist, but you and I both know that it's a lot more complicated than that.
It's not as simple as, for me, it's very simple.
For you, it may be very simple, but we are, I think we're being, we're indulging an ignorance by not suggesting that.
Can you become male?
I don't want to be male.
But can you become male?
Is there anything that could be done that could turn you into a male in the way that I'm male and peers is a male?
Is that possible?
See, now, do you see how you've qualified your question?
So you first asked me, can I become a male?
And I would suggest probably yes in terms of medically.
But then you said, like you and peers.
And that's where we start to get confused.
Paula, I hoped we would have taken you a little further down your journey.
I fear when you say you think you can become male, you can't because male is a society.
I can have gender recognition, can't I?
I can legally become a male.
We've got to leave it there, but you can't actually become a biological male.
Nor can I, you'll be relieved to hear, become a biological female.
Because I'm quite tempted right now to start entering the cricket competition and smashing female biological bowlers all over the place and feeling good about myself.
Only I wouldn't.
I'd feel ashamed.
I think it's impossible.
You're pumping above your weight there.
You wait till cricketers.
As I say, wait till Usain Bolt goes, I'm identifying as a woman and runs in the 100-meter final at the Olympics.
And you all go, Well done, well done, Usaini.
Well done, Usaini.
It's a joke.
Anyway, Paula, lovely to see you.
Mara, thank you very much, indeed, for joining us.
Zubi, great to have you here in London.
Really appreciate you coming in too.
And go follow this guy on Twitter.
He's just passed a million followers on Twitter.
So only seven and a half million to catch me, which I know he's keen to do.
Remembering Jerry Springer 00:15:13
Uncensored next: tributes to a true legend.
The original king of talk television, a great guy, a great friend of mine, Jerry Springer, who sadly died today, aged 79.
What a life and what a guy.
We'll talk live to Sharon Osborne, who worked with me and Jerry on America's Got Talent, and to Steve Wilcox, of course, his great colleague from his show, which became the Springer Show, one of the biggest shows on the entire planet.
after the break well welcome back
Jerry Springer was the undisputed king of the talk show.
Smart, intelligent, a TV icon.
He was also a politician, a lawyer, an actor.
He could do it all.
I spent nearly every day for two years with him on the set of America's Got Talent.
We stayed in the same hotel, the Beverly Wilshire in Los Angeles.
We used to sit by the pool talking about politics.
We'd have dinner talking about politics.
He loved arguing about politics.
He'd been a mayor before he ever became a TV star.
And he was most definitely uncensored.
Jerry has more ass than you do.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Thank you very much.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you, and welcome to America's Got Talent.
We're Danny and She said we'd like to get our dairy juice.
I care about people.
I care about people who watch television.
And on that note, take care of yourself and each other.
Well, today, Jerry's family said Jerry's ability to connect with people was at the heart of his success in everything he tried, whether that was politics, broadcasting, or just joking with people on the street who wanted a photo or a word.
He's irreplaceable and his loss hurts immensely.
But memories of his intellect, his heart, and his humor will live on.
And he brought his usual warmth and energy to regular guests on all my shows that I did ever since we did that talent show together.
Do you think Matthew McConaughey and this extraordinary speech could actually affect change?
Certainly, it'll have some impact, but the fact is, the American people are virtually all or pretty close to all in agreement on the major idea of some kind of gun control.
What can Trump do to try and persuade you now that he's a unifier and not a destroyer?
Well, just personally, I will do everything I can to see that he becomes a successful president.
I think I may stop because there are the things I want to do.
I want to spend more time with Richard, my grandson, and follow him in baseball and basketball and do things like that.
So it's more that decision more than a medical decision.
Jerry could talk about anything and he could talk about it for hours.
And he was always entertaining, always funny, and always razor-smart, always knew exactly what was going on.
He was also a great friend.
And I'll give you just two little examples of that.
One, he was doing, I think it was Richard and Judy a few years ago with Amanda Holden, who was doing Britain's Got Talent with me.
And Amanda put me on the phone to him.
I said, Jerry, what are you doing tonight?
He said, nothing.
I said, do you want to come to my middle son's school?
They're doing sounder music and Amanda's host and me and Michael Grade is a big media mogul in Britain.
We're dressing up as nuns and we need a Catholic priest to dress up as a Catholic priest.
He went, I'm Jewish.
I went, I know you are.
He said, My rabbi will be fine with it.
And he came down and he went on stage as a Catholic priest with me as a nun.
And we sang sound and music songs.
And then a little later after that, I have an annual cricket match against my little village down in East Sussex.
And I said, Jerry, what are you doing on Sunday?
He went, nothing.
I went, fancy a game of cricket.
He went, I'd love one.
And he came all the way down to the south coast of England and we played cricket.
And the villagers absolutely loved him.
And in fact, on our village WhatsApp chat today, a lot of sadness because they all remembered how down to earth this TV legend was.
Everyone knew Jerry Springer.
So that was the real guy away from TV.
There were no flies on Jerry.
What you saw was what you got.
And he was one of the great guys.
Well, joining me on the phone now is my fellow Talk TV presenter and my fellow former America's Got Talent judge, Sharon Osborne, and the former director of security, of course, on the Jerry Springer show, turned talk show host himself now, Steve Wilcox.
Well, Sharon, let me start with you.
You know, Jerry, we worked with him, didn't we?
Hand in glove really for two years.
It's very intense on those shows.
You get to know each other really, really well.
I remember, and I'm sure you do, the time we all first met each other was a dinner thrown by NBC where you lost your rag.
I knew you were going to start.
Come on.
Let's start with me to go on because it was so fitting because we'd all have this quiet dinner and then you lost your rag with me and began to actually physically throttle me.
And at that point, Jerry got up and said, This reminds me of one of my shows and led you away.
He did.
He took me outside and he said, Take some breaths.
Now I want you to go home and think about this.
And I said, yes, Jerry.
And he was just amazing with me.
He, I mean, listen, in our religion, we call him a mensch, and that's what he is.
I mean, just a fantastic human being.
He, I loved the way he always ended his show on a great speech, you know, morally, it was always a takeaway from his show.
So it wasn't just, you know, people going crazy at each other, throwing things and whatever.
There was always a good moral at the end of his show.
And you know what?
I'm just.
Sorry, Joan.
Go on.
No, I'm just saying that he will be missed.
He was a pioneer on daytime TV.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he used to say, he used to joke, it's the worst show in the world, but it was also one of the most popular and one of the most lucrative, made him extremely rich.
But he always had a great warmth and was very protective towards all the people that came on.
And let me go to Steve.
Let me go to Steve now.
Steve, I'm so sorry for your loss because you were so closely aligned with Jerry for so long and you made a very moving statement today.
How are you doing today since you heard the news?
Good stuff.
I love Jerry and one of my closest friends.
And, you know, I still can't believe that I'm never going to talk with him again.
You know, he used to talk jokily about the show, but obviously it became this complete phenomenon.
What did you make of why it was so popular?
How much of that was the guest?
How much of that was Jerry?
Was it just the combination, really?
Yeah, I think it was just a crazy point in time.
You know, when I watched the opening of your show today and you were talking about cancer culture, I wonder how far we would have got today in the landscape of today with that show.
Listen, you know, I think Jerry was just a natural draw.
People are drawn to him.
He's very kind.
People love Jerry.
I mean, loved him.
And, you know, the craziness on the show, we were doing stories and things that you couldn't see anywhere else on TV at the time.
So I think it was a confluence of things.
And the show just took off like a rocket.
And I've been saying you're probably never going to see anything like that again because, you know, when the show was so popular, it wasn't internet.
There wasn't streaming.
You know, nowadays, if something's big and huge, it's big and huge for five minutes.
And then there's something else where back then, you know, he was the zenith for two years where beating Oprah and everything else.
So to be around him, I felt like it must have been like hanging around Elvis Presley or what about this?
Steve, what about this anecdote I'll tell you, which was I had dinner with Jerry in LA soon after we began working together.
And he told me a story that Muhammad Ali was an avid fan of the show.
And I've got to be honest, I didn't know Jerry that well.
I just didn't believe him.
I thought it was Hollywood bullcrap, to be honest.
And we walked back from Mr. Chow's in Beverly Hills to the Beverly Woolsha Hotel, about a five, 10 minute walk.
And we get to the valet parking area to go to the back wing where we both had rooms.
And a limousine pulls up.
I swear this is true.
I wrote about it in my diary at the time.
A limousine pulls up and out gets Muhammad Ali and his wife.
I've never met Muhammad Ali in my life.
And as they get out of the door, she sees Jerry, Muhammad's wife, and she just shouted, oh my God, Jerry Springer.
Pause.
He's still watching the show.
And Muhammad Ali came over.
Jerry introduced me to the greatest.
And I said, I hear you love the Springer show.
He went, I love it.
I love all the fighting.
And then we all laughed.
And I said, please tell me you love America's Got Talent too.
He was kind of a little bit less committal on that.
But it just showed me, A, I could always trust Jerry Springer after that.
But B, that everyone and anyone used to watch the Springer Show.
Yeah, not a lot of people admitted it, but everybody did watch it.
And, you know, I met Muhammad too.
And, you know, Muhammad told me he was a big fan.
So I know that for a fact.
But, you know, you're just to have a show that peaked so, so highly where everybody talked about it.
You know, most young people won't understand what we say about Water Cooler Show.
Everybody talked about that show.
And I feel very fortunate to be around Jerry and got to share that incredible ride with him.
Just, you know, we were doing movies and, you know, Leto and Letterman and everything.
Just traveling all over the world with him.
And, you know, to get to experience that with him.
And you couldn't do it with a nicer guy.
No, I was about to say.
Yeah.
I was about to bring Sharon back for that, Steve.
I want to show a little clip from America's Got Talent because we had such a laugh on that show together.
This is back in like 2007, eight, I think.
But let's take a look at this.
Well, here's the exercise I hear, but please tell me we're not going to be hearing those buzzers tonight.
There's no point having them, is there, Jerry, if you can't have the fun of actually pressing them.
We've all got itchy fingers tonight.
Glad to see.
Have to see.
All right, but you'll be nice.
I know.
Well, we'll try and be nice.
Sharon, what do tonight's acts have to do in order to kind of impress you, impress America?
Oh, my goodness.
Where do we begin, Jerry?
They were great days, Sharon.
And the thing about Jerry Springer, one, he was one of the nicest people I've ever worked with, no question.
And secondly, just the most professional.
He never turned up a minute late.
He was always, did his job, whatever the hours, just a great guy.
Do you remember years when he fell off the stage and he would hurt himself badly?
The show went on.
I mean, he just carried on, never missed a beat.
And you know, his show was like a guilty pleasure.
You got hooked into it.
And you know what?
People, there aren't many people left in the industry like Jerry who was all heart, real people person.
Yeah, and what people don't know about Jerry probably, and they'll find out when they read the obituaries, is the varied life he led before he did the Springer show.
He was a news anchor of a big TV news show for 10 years.
He was the mayor of Cincinnati for a year.
That ended in a bit of a scandal, which we won't go into, but he had this extraordinary life.
And even at the end, nearly 80, there he was, still doing loads of stuff, doing podcasts, doing interviews and shots, so on.
But he did say in the final interview that we did with him only last month that he was looking forward as he reached 80 to spend more time with his family, which was something he was very pleased to be doing.
He was always doing charity events too.
I mean, he had such a big heart.
Yeah.
Well, it's a massive loss.
He's irreplaceable.
Yeah, he really is.
He was a total one-off and we loved him, didn't we?
Sharon, thank you so much for joining me from LA.
And Steve, thank you.
And my deepest condolences to you, Steve, because you and he were intertwined for so long.
And I can only imagine how you're feeling today.
So I'm so glad to have you on the show.
It's an honor to have you and it was an honor for all of us to work with Jerry.
Thanks a lot.
I appreciate it.
Thanks, Steve.
The great Jerry Springer, who died today, aged 79.
Well, uncensored next tonight, a conspiracy theorist, a Kennedy and a presidential contender, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., joins me live as he's surging in the polls.
Welcome back to Bears Walker Uncensored.
Kennedy's an American political dynasty, of course.
And my next guest will be the fourth Kennedy to run for the U.S. presidency.
Both his father, Senator Robert F. Kennedy and his uncle, President John F. Kennedy, were tragically assassinated.
Well, Robert Kennedy Jr. has been described as the black sheep of this formidable family, including by some of his own family, with incendiary views on vaccines and a popular slant on economic policy.
But he could become a genuine headache for President Biden.
He surged at 19% in a new Fox News poll of Democratic candidates for nominee for to be president and 21% in a new Emerson poll published today.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. joins me now.
Well, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
I guess my first question, Robert, is this.
These polls, they're pretty striking to everybody else.
Are you surprised about how well you're doing?
I am surprised.
We've been looking at the polls for about a year and they're, you know, it's pretty consistent.
So I'm not that surprised.
I'm happy.
You obviously come from the most famous political family, arguably, in the world.
And I want to take you back because I think for our wider global audience, it's just an extraordinary part of your story, obviously, that you were just nine years old when your uncle, John F. Kennedy, was president, was assassinated.
You were 14 when your father, who was tipped to be, and I'm sure he would have been, one of the great presidents if he'd lived.
You were 14 when your father died.
You had to be one of the pool bearers there.
These are huge things to happen to any child of that age.
But to do it when both your uncle and your father were so globally famous and to have their deaths so widely reported, what impact do you think that had on you?
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And what impact has it had on you now as a politician, now running for president?
Well, I think it had an impact on the world.
I think my father and uncle were fighting against this emergence of a military-industrial complex, and their deaths really marked a fork in the road for our country and for the rest of the world, where we started down this road towards corporatism, which what I call the... the merger, this corrupt merger of state and corporate power that is driven by large industries like the pharmaceutical oil and coal industries,
the pesticide industries.
But the spear tip, of course, is what Eisenhower warned us about four days before my uncle took office, which was the rise of the military-industrial complex, which has turned America into a warfare state abroad and a surveillance state at home, and which has gutted the middle class in this country.
We spent $8 trillion on wars since the war in Iraq, and we've got nothing in return.
Literally, actually worse than nothing.
We've undermined our own position in the world.
We've destabilized the Mideast.
We've driven 2 million refugees into Europe where they have destabilized democracy all over Europe and probably account for Brexit, the success of Brexit.
And at home, you know, we've hollowed out the middle class.
And then you add another $16 trillion that we spent on COVID and again on the lockdowns and got nothing in return for that.
And you have a $24 trillion bill that is paid by the American middle class.
And the United States is printing money.
You know, like we're borrowing $6 billion a day from the Chinese and Japanese to pay that, the interest on those debts.
And it's no wonder we don't have a middle class left in America.
And when you have a configuration now where it's increasingly looked like these large concentrations of wealth among the, you know, the growing oligarchy of billionaires and then widespread poverty below, you cannot have democracy for very long.
Well, listen, there's no doubt.
Just to jump in, there's no doubt that your message is resonating with a lot of people.
I mean, I think if you're Joe Biden, you just announced you're running again for president, and you see that your nearest competitor suddenly is you at 21% in these polls, and you know that a lot of Democrats don't want you to run again.
A lot of Democrats think Joe Biden is simply too old.
I mean, could the unthinkable happen?
Do you genuinely think you could actually prevent Joe Biden becoming the nominee?
Well, my objective, Piers, is not to prevent him from becoming the nominee.
My objective is to make myself the nominee.
And do I think that's possible?
Yeah.
And I'll tell you, my wife, if I had not been able to persuade her that it was possible, would not be going along with this enterprise.
It would be a startling thing.
There are two question marks about you.
I mean, a lot of people give you great credit for a lifetime of work with the environment, for example, with poverty.
You've done a lot of great things.
There are two contentious things from my perspective.
And I'll come to the vaccine part in a minute because that's been a 15-year mission by you, which I want to discuss.
But one thing in particular I'm surprised about.
You are a Democrat, and you come from a family of great Democrats.
And yet, for some reason, you've gone along with this Donald Trump line about stolen elections and so on.
Why?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I haven't.
I mean, you've associated yourself with people.
Well, you've been seen on podiums with people who are completely intransigent.
They think that Donald Trump had the election stolen, that January 6th was justified and so on.
Why would you be around people like that?
Pierce, Pierce.
Well, if you're asking me another question, because what you're saying about me complaining about stolen election, I complained about a stolen election in 2001, and I wrote an award-winning article about the theft of the 2004 election, but I have not spoken out about this election.
I don't believe it was stolen about Trump's election.
No, no, I'm talking, yeah.
I think I'm talking about the one.
You're asking me.
Yeah, let me rephrase the question.
I'm actually comparing, I just don't think it's healthy for any democracy, whether you're talking about the one that you claim was stolen, the one that Trump does.
People talk about elections being stolen in a democracy like America, because it makes people disbelieve the democratic process.
That's really the point I was making.
Well, I mean, otherwise you're manipulating people if you don't tell the truth.
I mean, the job in the press, the job of an advocate like me is to tell the truth, whether the truth is unpleasant for people or not.
And, you know, I documented that.
I mean, I don't think any Democrat believes that the 2001 election was legit.
You know, that was Gore, Bush v. Gore.
And the New York Times, nobody else, they ultimately concluded that, yeah, it was stolen.
So I don't think what I said is radical or is, you know, is causing revolution.
But let me ask the other question.
Let me ask the other question.
Why do I appear?
Why do I talk to Republicans?
Why do I go on Fox News?
And my reason for that, I do those, I talk to people who don't agree with me.
And I believe that is critical for a democracy.
We have a toxic polarization in this country right now that is more dangerous than the American Civil War.
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If we don't talk to people who don't agree with us, how are we going to persuade them?
How are we going to find common ground?
How are we going to end this polarization?
I have always my opponents on the other side.
I agree with you on that.
And by the way, I talk to them, but I do not compromise my values.
I believe in all the democratic values that I was raised with, but I believe that we should talk to people from the state.
So let's just move quickly, if we may, just to this issue of vaccines.
If you were to become president, you've been opposed to vaccines now for a long time, very heavily critical of the COVID vaccine.
That's not true.
Well, you're not.
You're not a vaccine denier, but you are a very, very skeptical, very public voice of skepticism about the efficacy of vaccines.
Would that be fair?
What I've said is vaccines, I'm not anti-vaccine.
I think vaccines should be subject to the same level of rigorous testing as other medications.
And that is the only thing, my only position.
Listen, I fought to get mercury out of fish for 40 years, and nobody called me any fish.
I'm not anti-vaccines just because I want safe vaccines.
And I think everybody wants safe vaccines.
And as we all now recognize, the COVID vaccines were neither safe nor effective.
Well, that is, but that is...
But as you know, hang on.
That is, as you know, heavily disputed by a lot of top scientists who say that comparative to other vaccines, it was very safe.
Obviously, like all vaccines, it's had issues.
Obviously, they had to move at the speed of light because it was a novel virus that was killing a lot of people.
But it wasn't an unsafe vaccine.
But all vaccines, unfortunately, have side effects for a certain percentage of people that take them.
Well, I mean, that, of course, the question, Piers, about the side effects on this vaccine.
Vaccine, number one, they avert more problems than they cause.
I would argue that the science is very clear right now that they cause a lot more problems than they averted.
And if you look at the countries that did not vaccinate, They had the lowest death rates.
They had the lowest COVID and infection rates.
And if you look at the Johns Hopkins data, which is the data everybody relies on, there's a direct correlation between excess deaths in nations, in the Western nations, heavily vaccinated and the level of COVID vaccination.
So if you look at excess deaths, how many people died that shouldn't have died at the end of the year?
The vaccine is associated because we don't know.
We can't say cause because it's a correlation.
But the big, the deaths in the nations that heavily vaccinated, which were much higher than those that didn't.
I'll give you an example.
We in our country, one of the most heavily vaccinated countries in the world, we also had the highest COVID death rate in the world.
So we had 4.2% of the global population.
We have 16% of the COVID deaths.
That's not a success story.
How can anybody possibly listen to the vaccines were beneficial?
Listen, we've run out of time.
I certainly don't.
Listen, I've got to end it there, but I definitely don't think America was a success story.
And that's for another time.
We've unfortunately run out of time, Rob, but I do really enjoy talking to you.
I think you're a fascinating candidate in this whole race.
And the fact you're doing so well means what you're saying about a number of issues is resonating.
And it'll be very interesting to see how you go.
So thank you very much indeed for joining me.
Thanks for having me, Piers.
Anytime.
Well, that says the next.
A person who produces sperm is now the new description of a boy or a man in America.
We'll discuss that next.
I joined by my talk to the international editor, Isabel Oakshot.
I'm talking to the contributor, Richard Tyson.
Welcome to both.
Thank you for being patient.
Sorry we haven't got much time.
Let's talk about sperm, shall we?
I love talking about sperm.
So apparently, have we got the phrase there for the sperm?
This is absolutely unbelievable.
Give me the phrase again.
A person who produces sperm is now what a school district in America has called a boy or man.
False.
And a person who produces eggs is what they're calling a person that is otherwise as a woman.
What are they scared of?
And this is aimed at 10-year-olds.
It's ridiculous.
I have a 10-year-old.
They would just laugh at that and be bewildered.
I mean, why make sex education so much more complicated?
How have we got to this, Richard?
How has language got to this?
I've no idea.
This sort of political correctness.
But the most terrifying thing, Piers, it actually confuses children.
It causes anxiety.
My view is it's therefore damaging children, particularly with this gender ideology stuff.
And in that sense, it's actually a safeguarding issue.
No ifs, no buts, in my view.
We just shouldn't be going to it.
I've done my anti-woke manifesto for the sun tomorrow because somebody wrote to them saying I should be minister for anti-wokery.
So I've done my 20-point.
And it's quite easy to do a 20-point manifesto.
You just basically restore common sense.
I mean, you asked how we've got to this because parents are accepting it.
Parents, I would take my child out of a school that was going to insist on that kind of nonsense.
And the other parents should actually just rebel against it.
Don't accept it.
But actually, many parents weren't aware of it until it's been highlighted on these shows.
And suddenly, I think parents are rebelling.
People I'm talking to.
I think the woke worm is turning and we're helping to turn it.
That's all we've got time for.
I've blown it with you two tonight.
I'm sorry.
We only got to talk about sperm, but it was a great chat about sperm.
Thank you both very much.
Keep it on sentence.
Good night.
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