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May 31, 2022 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Stepping Back From Prince Andrew 00:05:51
Good evening, men and women, boys and girls from all around the world.
I'm Mr Johnny Rotten, the most uncensored and uncircumcised man in Britain, and I'm here live and unleashed.
You have been warned.
Good evening, I'm Piers Morgan.
Uncensored, but not quite as uncensored as Johnny Rotten, of course.
Tonight is the party finally over for the partying Prime Minister.
And John Lydon, as I mentioned, the most uncensored man probably in the history of planet Earth will be here live.
But first, my brain dump.
What is forgiveness?
I mean, put simply, it's normally about accepting that somebody made a mistake.
They're sorry about that mistake.
And we agree not to hold it against them going forward.
So should we forgive Prince Andrew?
The Archbishop of Canterbury, the most senior religious leader in Britain, suggested that we should mark the Queen's Platinum Jubilee by, well, doing that.
With Prince Andrew, I think we all have to step back a bit.
He's seeking to make amends, and I think that's a very good thing.
But is he seeking to make amends?
Or is Prince Andrew seeking to repair his battered reputation and try and retain some semblance of relevance in public life?
If forgiveness is accepting that someone made a mistake, we need to know what mistake Prince Andrew believes he made.
There are plenty to choose from.
Was it heaping global embarrassment on his mother, the Queen and the monarchy?
Was it remaining close friends with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein after he admitted and was convicted of child abuse?
Was it giving the most toe-curling interview in royal history, which he ridiculously claimed that a meal at a pizza restaurant and his inability to sweat proved his innocence?
This grand old Duke of York has had 10,000 excuses.
Now Prince Andrew said he would fight to clear his name when Virginia Guffray accused him of sexually assaulting her at the age of 17.
Then at the very last minute, he didn't do that.
He didn't go to court.
Instead, he wrote a massive check to Miss Guffray to settle things.
I would say that forgiveness starts with explaining why he did that.
Why would you give millions of dollars to somebody if you believe you did nothing wrong?
And in fact, you never even met that person.
All we've seen from Prince Andrew is, I'm going to clear my name, followed by, actually, I'm writing a big fact check for this to go away.
That's not acceptance or repentance.
And I'm sorry, but I think the public might find the forgiveness part that the Archbishop of Canterbury is suggesting very hard without them.
We're talking of disgraced men who may or may not need national redemption.
He's run out of excuses, he's running out of friends.
It's Boris Johnson now running out of time.
The British Prime Minister's had a turbulent premiership with a pandemic, the illegal lockdown party scandal, and now ruinous inflation.
But it's ferocious friendly fire from his own Tory MPs now doing the worst damage and I believe it will be politically fatal.
28 of Johnson's own Conservative members of Parliament have now publicly called for him to quit.
If 54 of them write letters of no confidence, he'll face a vote that may have him packing his bags at number 10.
And frankly, I think he should.
Tonight, his own ethics advisor said that the ministerial code, the Bible of standards for the most powerful people in the country, faces ridicule because Johnson won't admit if he broke it.
How much more condemnation can one man sustain?
Boris Johnson's whole brand has been built on bluster, blather and bull, that and making people laugh.
A leader can get away with that in the good times.
But when times get tough, none of it seems quite so funny anymore.
When people are dying, losing their jobs, can't find the money to feed their children.
And especially when voters discover that the man who locked them down for several years was a shameless hypocrite, partying it up in Downing Street with his staff.
I've got my own letter to the Prime Minister.
It's a very short one.
Dear Boris, the party's over.
Resign.
Universities used to be places where students were keen to broaden their minds by hearing different views.
Now they're becoming seething woke hotbeds of vicious, violent intolerance.
The latest target was British Education Secretary Nadeem Zahawi visiting Warwick University in the Midlands.
A few...
Tories come!
Tori's come!
Tori's come!
Charming people.
Yeah, a furious mob of howling students hounded Zahawi off the campus, hurling abuse at him and in one case physically hitting a member of the Conservative Association who'd invited him.
And what was his crime exactly?
Well, the protesters accused him of inciting hatred by defining a woman as an adult human female.
That's not hatred.
Hypocrisy At Westminster 00:15:21
That's a simple biological fact.
What the hell is going on at our universities?
There's now a sort of complete intolerance of free speech among many of these students who've been apparently brainwashed by the cancel culture mentality.
They need to realize that in the real world, not everybody will agree with them.
And if they want to live in the kind of tolerant society that they constantly preach about, well, they could start by tolerating other people's opinions.
Especially when, like Mr. Zahawi, those opinions happen to be correct.
Now, a public service broadcast for our friends across the pond.
It's the Americans Guide to the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, which you'll be hearing so much about in the next few days.
Now, the Jubilee is when Brits celebrate our monarch.
The monarch is, well, like a president, only without the politics or the power, which is why we tend to like.
And unlike other royal events which celebrate change, coronations, weddings, funerals, a jubilee celebrates the lack of change, namely that the monarch is still alive.
If that doesn't sound like much, only six of our monarchs have ever made it to a golden jubilee for 50 years on the throne.
Only two made it to their diamond jubilee for 60.
And only one, Her Majesty, our current monarch, has ever gone platinum after 70 years in the hottest seat imaginable.
And we celebrate all this with massive street parties because, well, they're free and everyone gets too drunk to drive home anyway.
Like the Queen, it often reigns over us.
We don't care about the weather.
We hang up something called bunting, which are little paper flags tied to lampposts because, well, I don't know, because we've always hung bunting.
We eat sandwiches, cucumber normally.
We drink tea, Yorkshire gold is my preference, and Victoria Sponge, which is a big cake named after another monarch.
I'll also be attending the cricket at Lourdes because that's what we do as well.
And if all this seems a little bit strange to you in America, especially when there's so much very serious stuff going on, well, frankly, for the next few days, we don't care because we get to have four days off, the pubs are open late, and we love our Queen.
And says the next, as the letters of no confidence continue to pile up, is it time to say bye-bye, Boris?
And later, the world's most outspoken, uncensored human being, former sex business frontman, John Lydon, aka Johnny Rotten, is here live and unleashed.
Well, the party may be over for party boy Boris Johnson.
A total of 28 Conservative backbenchers have now publicly demanded his removal.
And if that number reaches 54 and others may have done so anonymously, he'll face a career-defining no-confidence vote.
Joining me now to talk to you with Tabel Kate McCann.
Kate, this is getting serious for Boris Johnson, isn't it?
Because also tonight, Lord Guy has revealed serious concerns about Boris Johnson's adherence to the ministerial code in relation to the fixed penalty notices that he got.
And you're getting people like, you know, Andrea Leadsom, seasoned, you know, pro-Boris politicians now coming out against him too.
I'm feeling the heat from here and it's getting a bit ferocious.
Yeah, look, I think Andrea Leadsom was a real moment for those in number 10 today because they believe that so far it's the usual suspects, the people who never really liked Boris Johnson, pretty much always wanted to see the back door, see him leave Downing Street.
And then today that moment when a Brexiteer, supposedly one of his own, has said, not quite that he needs to leave, but that his behaviour isn't good enough.
And I think Lord Guy's report might be the moment for some more over the weekend because Lord Guy essentially saying unless the Prime Minister sticks to his own code of conduct, well, things could get really difficult.
So he even hinted in his pretty long report today, Piers, that he may have considered resigning if the Prime Minister hadn't listened to his advice.
And he's pretty frustrated, it has to be said.
So it looks like more trouble for Boris Johnson, though the mood in number 10, I have to say, is defiant.
They've come out swinging.
Essentially, they believe he could win this vote and they would like to bring it on.
Right.
And just to clarify, if he does win the vote, he buys himself at least another year, isn't it, before they can try again?
Is that right?
Yeah, that's right.
54 letters into Graham Brady and then a vote triggered within a matter of hours, most likely.
Boris Johnson needs 180 plus one MPs in order to get past that.
But then he's safe for a year under 1922 rules.
Now, in number 10, there is a feeling that that could mean the best time for that vote may well be next week because it comes before a by-election, it comes before the Privileges Committee report, essentially before any more bumps in the road that might cause him some trouble.
And if he wins it, he is then safe.
A note of caution, though, in January this year, it was suggested they could try and change the rules so that a vote could be held every six months.
It was rejected at the time, but it could come back again if there are those in the 22 who feel it really is time up for Boris Johnson.
And what's extraordinary is in the last few minutes, we've now heard that the Durham police have now sent four more questionnaires to the leader of the Labour Party, Sakir Starmer, and his deputy, Angela Rayner.
And they only do that if they suspect a COVID rule was actually broken.
And both of them have said if they do actually get fined by the police, they will resign.
So we could have a situation in the next few weeks where we lose everybody at the top of both parties.
Could be a complete clear-out.
In which case, what does it leave the Liberal Democrats who could come riding over the hill to try and form some kind of government?
Course, not likely to happen, but in all seriousness, it does show you just how frustrated people are with the state of politics at the moment here in the UK, in Westminster, that the most senior people in the Conservative Party have faced fines, and now the most senior people in the Labour Party are facing questions over their own conduct.
It's not a good place to be.
It's not.
Kate McCann, thank you very much indeed.
Well, joining me now is former leader of the Scottish Conservative Party, Baroness Ruth Davidson.
Ruth Davidson, thank you so much for joining me.
It's an extraordinary situation, isn't it, in British politics?
Where you have the current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, who's coming under siege now from his own party, from his own ethics standards boss from all sides, it seems.
And at the same time, the leader of the opposition, Keir Starmer, and his number two are also subject to a police investigation for also breaking lockdown rules.
I think this is, Piers, basically, because we were told as a country by people at the top that this was serious, that these rules were serious, that sticking to these rules was serious, that it was a matter of life and death, and that this was a time of national crisis.
And as such, there was a collective endeavour to stick to the spirit of the rules, to stick to the letter of the rules, and that's what would see us through as a country.
And I think people, certainly a large proportion of people, are rightly angry when they see those that set those restrictions up, whether it was the Prime Minister who stood at elector and told them they had to stay at home, or whether it's the leader of the opposition who voted it through, looking as if there was one rule for everybody else, but those rules that they set for us didn't apply to them.
And that's why people who weren't able to hold the hand of a loved one as they died, weren't able to go to a funeral, weren't able to visit an isolated new mother, won't forget what they gave up and what they sacrificed because they thought they were doing the right thing and because they were told that's what they had to do.
I mean, there are still Conservative politicians who stand by Boris Johnson.
I'm about to talk to Peter Bone after I talk to you.
He's a long-standing Conservative MP for many years.
What's your message to them?
I mean, do you believe that the integrity, not just of the Prime Minister and the government, but of the Conservative Party is now at stake here?
Well, actually, I care more about what this is doing to the country necessarily than the party, although, of course, it's deeply damaging to the party.
But for me, particularly at a time of national crisis, you need the leader of the land, the first among equals, to be judged to a higher standard, not a lower one.
He needs to set an example.
He needs to have moral authority.
And that's nothing to do with whoever holds the post of Prime Minister.
That's to do with the office of Prime Minister itself.
And if people look at an office being traduced in this way, if they look at people who are at the very top going, well, actually, we don't have to stick by the rules, then that does filter down to people.
And they go, well, why should I stick by the rules either?
And I do think that it is damaging to the country and to the institution.
I'm a Conservative because I support the institutions of this country and to see them produced like this.
You know, I find it deeply, deep.
I'm deeply uneasy about it.
Do you think Boris Johnson will survive this?
I think this is a really interesting week.
Because the Parliament's off for a week, it means everybody's back in their constituencies.
They're doing loads of things with constituents around the Jubilee.
They're having a lot of people come up and speak to them.
They're getting a sense of the depth and the breadth of feeling in a way they might not do when they're in Westminster, you know, five, six days, four, five, six days a week.
So I think that the trickle that you're seeing in the last couple of days is part of that, and we may see a few more.
Many people, Ruth Davidson, think that if there is a vacancy to be leader of the Conservative Party, you ought to be putting your name forward.
You were very popular when you were up there in Scotland.
Many people wished you'd come down here and been perhaps Prime Minister when Boris Johnson took the job.
Are you interested if there is a vacancy?
No, I'm not interested.
I value my mental health and my family life too much.
I've got a young son and I'm not interested in the job and nor am I qualified to hold it.
I'm not an MP.
So even if I were, which I'm not, I couldn't put myself forward.
But what I do want to see is I want to see somebody in the role who understands what the expectations are of the job and what it is that they have to do to uphold the standards of public life that we need to expect from our leaders and that we need to demand from our leaders.
Well, I mean, I completely agree.
I mean, I just find it extraordinary to have a Prime Minister who actually got a fixed penalty notice from the police for breaking one of his own laws.
I mean, I just don't know how any Prime Minister in history that I can remember could or should have survived that moment.
I mean, I respect my colleagues.
They've been put in a very difficult position, colleagues, on the Greenbenches in Westminster.
But what I don't understand is how they can look at the damage that is being done.
And if you asked any of them away from this, you know, do you think it's acceptable for a Prime Minister to break a law that he says?
They would say no.
And if you ask them, do you think it's acceptable for a Prime Minister to be charged by the police and just carry on as if nothing had happened or not refer himself to the ministerial court?
Or do you, you know, is it acceptable for a prime minister to stand up in parliament and say he's appalled by something that he didn't know anything about?
And it turns out that he not only knew about it, he participated in it.
I mean, do you think any of these things are acceptable?
They would all say no.
What I don't understand is why they're currently sitting on their hands.
Do you think he's an honest man, Boris Johnson?
I don't know.
I've got no window to see into another man's soul.
But I think that when he stood up in Parliament after Allegra Stratton, the only person to have resigned over this, let's not forget, and she resigned not because she attended anything, but because she was caught on camera being unable to answer a question about it because she knew it was wrong, standing up saying he was appalled and that people that he knew nothing about had done things that were wrong and he was going to get to the bottom of it.
When he stood up and said that, he knew that he was there.
And I think that that act in Parliament was a dishonest act.
I could not agree more.
Baroness Davidson, thank you very much.
Please come back and be an MP soon.
Thank you.
Not a chance.
You know you want to.
I'll take that money in a bit.
But lovely to talk to you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Piers.
Well, I'm joined now by Conservative MP for Wellingbro, Peter Bone.
Peter Bone, you are almost a unique creature right now.
You're a Conservative MP hitting the airwaves quite regularly, staunchly defending Boris Johnson.
Why?
Well, I think most of my Conservative colleagues support the Prime Minister 100%.
There's only a minority that don't, and they've never supported the Prime Minister.
Do you think Boris Johnson's an honest man?
Absolutely.
I mean, he was fired as a journalist from the Times for lying.
He was fired from a position under Michael Howe for lying about an extramarital affair.
People think he's lied about Party Gate.
The track record of honesty is not good.
Well, I think you're slightly wrong on what you call Party Gate.
A Metropolitan Police Investigation, which cost half a million pounds, went over many weeks in 12 detectives on the case.
And the only he wasn't found guilty of partying.
He had one fixed penalty notice when he went into the cabinet office, I believe, and he was presented with a cake which he didn't know anything about in advance.
And surprisingly, the chancellor also got a fixed penalty notice when he thought he was going in there for a meeting as well.
That's not partying.
And so why you suggest he lied?
Well, yeah, but that's your impression is it's not partying, but actually that's exactly what the police deduced it was.
They investigated all of this and they issued him with a fixed penalty notice for literally breaking lockdown rules by having an illegal gathering.
He was at an illegal gathering.
That's why he got a police fine.
I mean the implication of what you're saying is the police were wrong to find him.
Is that what you're saying?
No, I'm saying that that wasn't what you and I would call a party.
You're right to say that he attended an event which he didn't know was about to happen.
He was there for nine minutes and the police decided to fine him for that.
But you're not going to suggest to me that that was in any way what most people would call a party.
No, it was reported at the time as well.
And nobody complained about it at the time.
Yeah, but the point about all this, surely, is that it's the scale of the partying, the illegal partying that was going on at Downing Street.
The fact that over 80 people working there got police fines for breaking the laws that were made by the people at Downing Street and that they were doing the partying when they were ordering the public not even to go and see dying relatives in hospital.
Toxic Masculinity In Universities 00:15:11
It's the totality of what has gone here in Boris Johnson's home, which is what it is.
And the idea, frankly, that not only was he personally fined, but that he knew nothing about any of these parties when they were on the lash until 4 a.m., the night before Prince Philip's funeral, for example, in number 10.
I just don't believe it.
I think that's a dishonest response by the Prime Minister.
Well, I think you're wrong.
You will, of course, know that the Prime Minister was not in Downing Street when the party you referred to occurred.
And you will also know that 10 Downing Street is a huge office block going over five floors.
And most, the vast majority of people who were working in Downing Street at the time behaved properly and abided by the rules.
Actually, a very large number of them.
Hang on.
A large number of them, according to the report we all read last week, they were vomiting, they were fighting, allegedly fornicating, breaking swings belonging to the Prime Minister's son.
It was just a completely lawless environment in there.
And Boris Johnson may not have been physically there for every one of them, but it's his home.
He's the boss.
These people all work under him.
And there's been no accountability by the Prime Minister for the fact that all this was going on and he himself got fined as well.
And I just ask you, if this had been a Labour Prime Minister, would you have had the same opinion?
Or would you have taken the view that no serving Prime Minister should ever survive getting fined by the police for breaking their own rules in a pandemic?
I certainly would have taken the same view if it had been a Labour Prime Minister.
And I take the view that Keir Stama and his deputy shouldn't resign if they get a fixed penalty notice, because I don't think they thought that they were breaking the rules at the time either.
And the fact that there are thousands of people that work in Downing Street, I mean, talk TV.
You're almost the head of it in so many ways.
I'm not there to talk to you.
You are their chief prisoner.
I'm not there to talk.
No, you're a star.
But you don't run.
You don't run the office.
You don't know.
And I wouldn't expect you to run the office.
And I wouldn't expect the Prime Minister to run the office.
I mean, part of the time these so-called parties occurred, Boris was in hospital fighting for his life because of all the efforts he'd put in during the COVID pandemic.
So I think we have to be careful what we're saying when we're suggesting that these parties occurred in his home.
Well, that's not really the situation when we know that it's a five-storey office block behind that party.
Well, I've been in Downing Street many times and it is a home and you do know what's going on.
And frankly, if you don't know as Prime Minister that 80 odd of your staff are breaking your lockdown rules on a regular basis, sometimes with large karaoke parties involving large amounts of alcohol, if you don't know that's all going on, then it's a failure of leadership, isn't it, as well?
Well, I disagree with you.
It's a failure to certain people who are running the Downing Street operation.
That's correct.
But the Metropolitan Police didn't find that the Prime Minister had been partying at all these events you're referring to.
Now, the changes have all the changes occurred actually before the Sue Gray report came out because there was an interim report and the Prime Minister acted on it.
And those people have gone and there's a completely new system in Downing Street to make sure this wouldn't happen again.
So I think the Prime Minister has done what Sue Gray wants.
He's apologised.
And I think most people in the country want him to get on with the job.
I was stopped by a constituent today when I was walking into Wellingborough and he said, look, look, I was a Labour man, but I switched the Conservatives because of Boris.
He got us through Brexit.
He got us through COVID.
For goodness sake, leave him alone and let him get on with running the country.
And I think that's what most of the people in the country think.
Yeah, you could take a view that Brexit was bad for the country and you could take a view that his early handling of the pandemic was a complete disaster.
So it depends who you talk to.
But Peter Bone, I appreciate you coming on Piers Morgan Uncensored.
It's good to see you.
Thank you.
Uncensored next.
He's a vibrant alternative national hero, thanks to his outspoken and honest statements.
He's also about as uncensored as a human being can get.
Former Sex Pistols frontman John Lydon, aka Johnny Rotten, will be here live and very much unleashed after Queen.
The fascist regime and made you a mortar.
Potential makes bomb.
God save the queen.
She ain't no human being.
There is no future.
Oh, the Sex Pistols.
One of the old-time great narcic bands.
You can listen to that all day.
Fortunately, we've got one of the men behind it.
Johnny Rotten, John Lydon, the great man here, here, live.
Peace.
Unleashed.
Great to see you.
We're going to be doing a regular catch-up with you called Johnny's Rotten World.
Because the last time he came on, it popped so well on YouTube.
Everyone was watching this.
They love your unvarnished, uncensored view of life.
Well, I like to tell it as it is.
Yeah.
You know, I'm not influenced by the media, yeah.
Yeah.
But they are very seriously influenced by me.
Yes.
You just can't, you're rehearsing with your new band Pill today in London.
Yeah, I'm straight out of rehearsals.
So forgive me if I look a bit sweaty and moist.
The girlies apparently like it that way.
Can I ask you about politics for a moment?
Because you said something quite interesting in the last few days.
You talked about how it used to be the right that was seen to be the completely intolerant fascists who never allowed people to have different opinions and so on.
And now it's gone full circle to the left.
Swings aroundabouts now, isn't it?
I can't trust anything coming out of Labour anymore.
I've began to despise them.
Really?
Yeah, it's too...
This woke agenda and all of this nonsense.
I can't be tolerating that.
You know, why would I rather vote conservative?
Because at least I can rely on their hypocrisy, but I don't want to vote for lunacy.
It's plain and simple.
When you see the debate over Boris Johnson and these parties, really at the core of it, it's just that they were all partying in Downing Street when they were telling everybody else, you can't go and see your dying relatives in Australia.
That white man speak with forked tongue, you know.
Do you think he's a liar, Boris?
Oh, completely.
See, you know, if you're going to write these laws in and insist on them and then deliberately go and break them yourself, well, that's that kind of hypocrisy is just a little unfeasible for me.
He's like all politicians, really, a professional liar.
But by God, that bloke bone you had on there defending him.
Wow, what a piece of work.
He reminded me of that old Tory kind of creature that I used to really, really hate and loathe.
So, you know, get rid of both of them and things might be on the lookout.
But on top of that, I would like a prime minister that is capable of partying, but don't be introducing laws that you're not going to follow yourself and expect the rest of us to oblige.
Right.
It's the hypocrisy is the problem.
It's wicked.
Wicked.
I wish I was at that party, though.
I think you'd have livened it up.
What do you mean?
We're in, obviously, Jubilee Week, and God Save the Queen was this iconic anthem at the time.
It was all about anarchy and so on.
You've softened a little bit over the years.
Is that right?
Say about the Queen in particular?
No, no, this is the media again trying to take the detonation out of the H-bomb I dropped on that song.
I'm as solid about monarchy and my dislike of it as I ever have been.
To me, I've always viewed the royal family as a bunch of German and tourists with a Greek thrown in, you know.
But as a human being, she ain't no human being as representing a state.
She doesn't represent me.
I don't want to pay no more tax to keep that institution alive.
But I totally respect her as a real person, that she has endured that and maintained, yes, a sense of dignity in it.
And I'm always attracted to pageantry.
This is, you know, I grew up loving the arsenal.
And if we weren't waving our flags, that's as close to pageantry as you can get.
There's also something, I just think when you look at the way politics has gone around the world, really, so much corruption, so much hypocrisy, so much, you know, really incredible characters getting to run countries.
And you think, at least in the Queen's case, you've got this woman who's barely put her foot wrong.
She's dignified, she's humble, and so consoling.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's like it's almost, if you just view her as a sort of calming figurehead for the country, she's been one of the most impressive people that we've ever had, I would say.
But God bless if she kicks the bucket, what's going to follow?
Well, that is a genuine problem.
I mean, tonight we had the Archbishop of Canterbury saying that, for example, we should now be looking to forgive people like Prince Andrew, Andrew, that he's shown that he wants to make amends for what he did.
But my issue with that is...
Well, first of all, find him guilty before you forgive.
Right.
And the Archbishop of Canterbury, I mean, I'm sorry, but that has the ring of child bolester about it.
You mean in terms of the way the church...
The church, all of these institutions.
And of course they all cover themselves up.
But as I say, first find him guilty of something.
It's obvious that he's hiding something.
I don't trust him.
And when you have the Queen's son who pays millions of dollars to a woman who was accusing him of having, in America, underage sex with her and being involved in sex trafficking with a paedophile, when he does that, having said, I'm going to fight this and clear my name, even though there was no guilt attached to this settlement, the fact he's had to pay millions of dollars.
What does it say?
The settlement is telling you everything.
It's almost like a bribe to go away, isn't it?
Now, the poor lady in question, I mean, she knew what they'd like.
They'd rip her apart in court, is basically.
You know, so take this cash under hand.
It's victimisation again.
And if that's going on in the future, royal family, I don't want none of them.
Can you forgive somebody in this circumstance if they don't accept what they did?
When we don't even know what he actually did, because he won't say.
Can you offer forgiveness if people don't show any atonement for what they may have done?
No, there's a holier than thou about it.
I just won't be tolerating.
There's something there.
Just bring it out, wash your dirty laundry in public, and let us be the judge of that.
Not underhand deals going on.
This is a continual world they're introducing us into, isn't it?
Complete corruption.
Well, I'd like to see a brave new world.
I do think it's caused incalculable damage to the royals because I think that we've never had a situation where the senior royal has been involved in a settlement like this.
And it's not like it was a sort of financial issue.
I think we have seen royals in the past histories are definitely involved in all manner of things.
I think in modern times is what I would say.
And it's a serious matter, you know.
Geoffrey Epstein was a disgusting billionaire.
No, not at all.
And my real issue with it is that Andrew carried on seeing that guy after he admitted and was convicted of paedophile behaviour.
Yeah, there's all manner of money laundering possibilities lurking in the background.
Right.
Like, why did he carry on being his friend?
Well, this is my taxpayer money.
It's being spent.
Right.
You know?
Bugger off.
Right.
No, but I think that's the legitimate reaction that most people have to it.
What do you think about the Jubilee celebrations?
Are you going to get involved?
Are you going to be in a street party?
Are we going to see the man who sang God Save the Queen singing it with love and affection?
Why not?
I love the party side of it.
And that's the pageantry and the flag waving and being part of a wonderful bloody country.
I've got no shame, plenty of pride about Britain, and I'll wave the flag any way I like, safety pins included.
Do we talk down the country too much, John?
I think so.
I do.
That lady's done no personal harm to me.
The institution has and it's obviously riddled with corruption.
You know, I just pity what comes after her.
I've got no hope for it.
I think we should really start voting on a new queen.
Really?
Yeah.
Let's have an election.
Who would you fancy?
Megan Markle?
Oh, someone from Australia.
I want to ask you about something else.
Top gum.
So I got very excited yesterday about Top.
I went to see Top.
I loved the new movie.
I loved the first one.
And to me, it restored masculinity and being a man.
Do you see anything in this?
Well, I'll tell you, there's a shortage of modern war movies, right?
And you do need those kind of characters, really, if your country is going to survive any threats of invasion.
You need proper blokes to sort it out.
And trying to sweep that under the carpet with this new era of woke is unacceptable to me.
We need men's men.
I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.
And this is idea that masculinity itself is wrong.
Oh, toxic.
It's all toxic.
Yeah, I love a vodka and toxic masculinity.
It does annoy me.
Because of course there are some men who are toxic.
But there are also many men who can show masculine qualities, which actually not only are good qualities, but women like men to be masculine.
Because that's human nature.
Right.
And to go against nature really shows like a major flaw and a weakness in the idiocy that's coming from extreme left politics.
I find it very, very alarming that young students are so quick to jump on this like name slurry business without really thinking the thing through.
But also I think the idea that students...
But they're all dressed as men and women themselves.
Yeah, but they're arguing against.
But this idea that a minister can go there who's only said that he believes a woman is an adult female.
And for that, he has to be hounded with abuse.
Because you actually have Labour MPs now, women MPs, saying, actually, women can have penises.
A World Gone Mad 00:02:20
Well, of course they can.
That's how you get babies.
But I sort of feel the world's gone mad a bit.
If you're working against nature because of some new political fandangled theory, then you're a bit of a fool.
And I'm afraid the young are very, very foolish in this.
And I must say, not all young.
Just those who've gone through the university systems.
They seem to not be educated anymore.
They're really institutionalised.
I want to play you.
We do a little segment called World's Gone Nuts.
Most of them should be in an institution.
We do a regular thing called World's Gone Nuts.
I think you're going to like this story, John.
This is actually something normally at the end of the show.
I'm going to play it now.
Watch this.
Now, this is a love story that might not take off.
It involves 22-year-old Sarah Roder, who lives in Dortmund, Germany, and she's announced that she's in love with a Boeing 737 passenger jet and has plans to wed said jet.
The future Mrs. 737 identifies as an objectum sexual, meaning she's attracted to inanimate objects and has 50 replicas of the flying love machine.
Unsurprisingly, it's not legal to actually marry a replica aircraft in Germany, but neither the law nor common sense to stop other people from doing things like this.
In 2007, Erica Labry married the Eiffel Tower, changing her last name to Eiffel.
And Kate Cunningham has been happily married to a tree for nearly three years.
But true love never does run smoothly.
Poor Akihiko Kondo, who married a hologram character, has been left devastated after the expiration of the software meant he could no longer talk to his wife.
John, when you look at stuff like this, in a way it's a kind of wonderful thing that there are people this mad out there, right?
I think so, and I find that entertaining.
But the shocking one really for me was the girl fondling the 747 bottle.
I mean, that's one up on a battery-operated penis.
And God bless her, if that's what turns her on and rings her bell, you know.
Boll.
Queen's Role In Crisis 00:06:16
John, I can talk to you all night.
Fortunately, we've only got to wait two weeks till you're back on.
It's been brilliant to have you on People's Organization.
You are as uncensored as it gets.
And thank God for somebody who just speaks their mind and doesn't care what all you cancel Gulch or Wokie say because you can't cancel a sex pistol, right?
You certainly can't.
And I'm on tour with public image limited to prove it.
Come on down now.
Shut your mouth.
Yes, sir.
Everyone a winner.
John Lynn Bruce.
We will have Johnny's Rotten World every two weeks from now on because I cannot interview this guy enough.
This is what we want in life.
Plain talking, straight talking.
It's uncensored.
It's so easy to just tell the truth.
Isn't it?
It is.
And yet it's not easy for a lot of people.
And I thank God people like you are doing it and I'll do it too.
And hopefully we'll put the world to right.
Good to see you, John.
My last thing on Boris.
Rules are for fools.
And he's proved the point by breaking his own.
I think that probably perfectly sums it up.
Uncensored next.
The Queen's Putnam Jubilee is just around the corner.
We're in a cost of living crisis.
Should we be toning down the celebration?
We're better than that in a few minutes.
Certainly not.
So for everyone like me who loves the Queen's Putnam Jubilee, there are other people going, well, why are we wasting all this money on this?
This sort of whiff of republicanism always sprouts up when we have this sort of thing going on.
So we're going to debate this now as the bunting goes up and the final rehearsals have taken place.
Buckingham Palace has told pageant organisers to avoid over-regging the Queen, but I don't understand why I want to over-reg the Queen.
That's the whole point.
We don't want to give these anti-royalists any more material as it is.
But others say, come on, cost of living, we should be careful.
Joining me now as political commentator, Marina Perkins, and conservative writer, Esther Kraker.
Welcome to both of you.
So Marina, tell me why we shouldn't be lavishing this money and attention on this fabulous lady to celebrate the greatest reign in the history of our country's monarchy.
Piers, we've literally got government ministers doing the rounds telling people they need to tighten their belts.
There's not enough money for this, that, and the other.
People are choosing between heating and eating.
And you're telling me it is right and not at all tone deaf to spend a fortune.
Local governments, by the way, who are completely cash-strapped, you think it's right for them to spend money on these frivolities?
I actually do, because I think that this is a chance to celebrate not only an historic moment for the country, but to remind the world what we do best.
Pomp, pageantry, monarchy.
These are great things for our country.
Classism, inequality, people bored into insane privilege and wealth.
Why do we care so much?
40, 40% of people don't even support the Queen.
No, I'm sorry, but this is bigger than that.
This is about the country's morale.
Are we going to add to that by saying actually we can't celebrate the Queen?
There's so many government departments and councils that spend money ridiculously.
I can think of so many ways that our money goes down a black hole of poor spending, right?
And I have no problem with this being actually a good thing and us spending money on it because it's much bigger than that.
This Queen has given us 70 years of her life.
This could go away.
Exactly.
This could very well be her last Jubilee.
I'm not going to be a professed job out there.
Who would say no to that?
Would you be working at 96?
Would you be touring the country and working at 96?
Or would you double retire?
100%.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely not.
I'm sorry.
No, sorry.
Sorry, ask every other person who's doing a normal job, like working in a factory, working in a shop, putting in the hours.
They can't wait to retire.
If they cannot wait to retire.
They wouldn't swap positions with the Queen.
He has had an incredibly privileged life.
Where will you be?
Okay, at the weekend.
Where are you going to be?
I am doing nothing to celebrate the Queen's Jubilee.
You won't be in the pub enjoying the days off again.
I'm Mitt Bibbis.
Oh.
Then you won't.
Well, you might be having an orange juice.
I'm going to enjoy my days off.
I'm not going to go to the office still.
But I'm not sure if I can do it.
Do you think she gets many days off at 96?
I think she does barely nothing.
I'm sorry.
What?
Whoa, The Queen does barely nothing.
She's a 96-year-old woman who does a huge number of engagements every year, even at 96.
Engagements that do what?
Have you heard of the Commonwealth?
Meeting the British people.
Oh, my God.
Up and down the ranks of the social ladder.
From the poorest to the wealthiest.
And that does what for me.
That's been her job for 70 years.
Actually, what she does, I'll tell you what she does.
In times of trouble, this woman has given us a sense of calm.
She's given us a sense of morale boosting.
We saw it with the amazing documentary other night on BBC.
She's done this her entire life, having inherited a crown at 25, 26 years old, and she's still going now.
And she's just a calming presence in our country, which reminds the world of the very best of what it means to be British, I think, Esther.
I completely agree.
And I'm so shocked that you said she does nothing.
Have you ever heard of the Commonwealth?
I didn't say this.
What is the Commonwealth?
What is the Commonwealth?
Well, apparently they go around just defending the Commonwealth.
Actually, no, I come from a Commonwealth country, and this woman has dedicated her life to this fantastic institution that has brought on so many good values to different people in different parts of the world that you probably wouldn't even imagine because you're here saying, oh, she does nothing.
You're sitting in your comfortable lifestyle saying she does absolutely nothing.
And I bet you when you're even 80, you wouldn't have to do it.
But I would say, I would say, look, I would say, Marina, here's the point.
I would say, when you've got a prime minister who's lying through his back teeth, partying, breaking his own laws when he's ordering the rest of us to go to lockdown, when you actually have alongside that a woman who's been on the throne for 70 years and has never behaved like that, who's always behaved with dignity, decorum, respect, humility.
We're talking about against the backdrop of Boris Johnson.
Anyone looks half decent.
Well, that's true.
And also, by the way, the Queen could do something really nice here.
She could subtly nod to the fact that we've got a Prime Minister running roughshod over our democracy and our politics.
But she doesn't.
She only steps in when it benefits her, like when she lobbied the government to change transparency laws so the public couldn't see her wealth.
I'm sorry, I don't respect that.
No, that's awful.
That would be overstepping the mark.
No, I'm sorry.
Because the Queen is meant to be neutral.
The Queen's.
But she's lobbied three times, revealed by the Guardian.
Because it wouldn't have been appropriate.
I can't believe what you read in The Guardian, for God's sake.
It wouldn't have been appropriate, but she's not.
This may be the problem, Marin.
I think you're reading too many things in The Guardian.
Overstepping The Mark 00:00:38
I know.
Follow talk, talk, TV, well.
Look, gotta leave it there.
It's a very good debate.
Thank you, both of you.
I like the passion for this debate.
A lot of people will agree with both of you.
So thank you.
He's inspired generations with these emotive lyrics.
Don McClain once described this song as a photograph of America.
Well, the song's having its own golden jubilee.
And Don McClain joins me live tomorrow night to reflect on its everlasting legacy and share why he has said bye-bye to the NRA.
That's it from me.
Whatever you're up to tonight, make sure you keep it uncensored.
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