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June 18, 2020 - Toxic Culture - Rob Agueros
16:25
Black & White Protesters Debate The Black Lives Matter Message
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I know for a fact that the majority of cops are not racist cops.
I don't want to say that too loudly.
I'm being dead serious with you.
If it was up to me, if it wasn't up with the spirit, I would say, if you're really going to kill me, I would say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker's going to die.
If I know I'm going to die, why not take somebody with me?
Like, why?
You guarantee you're going to kill me, right?
We've been killing black people for years, right?
We're going to die, right?
So I'm going to take someone with me.
if i can take a hundred and i go by myself i'm cool That's now!
Don't get passive-aggressive on me now!
I just remember, we're speaking about Leviathan and the time where Leviathan was made.
The 17th century.
We're talking about that.
And now, systematically, it has grown and evolved into something way different now.
Way different.
But this is what the history did.
The history has done this to us.
You see what I'm saying?
So you know who was the problem?
The uncle, the grandma, the grandpa.
You got to talk to them.
You got to tell them, "Mom, this is stressing me.
I'm living in today's society.
What you did, that's just coming back and it's real." Like, tenfold.
Like, feel happy that society is more than you are now.
Like, seriously.
Like, for real, for real.
Because, like, to be honest with you, if they're killing so many black people, if it was up to me, to be honest with you, I'm being dead serious with you.
If it was up to me, and if it wasn't up to the spirit, I would say, if you're already gonna kill me, I'm gonna say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker's gonna die.
If I know I'm gonna die, why not take somebody with me?
Like, why?
You guarantee you're gonna kill me, right?
We're gonna kill black people for years, right?
We're gonna die, right?
So I'm gonna take someone with me!
If I can take a hundred and I go by myself, I'm cool.
But I'm not like that.
I'm walking with a spirit.
And the spirit said we have to move together as a unit.
We have to move together as one.
So what I'm telling you now, all we have to do is develop our self-respect.
First, realize that we're wrong.
Admit that you're wrong.
That's the first thing you do something wrong, you gotta admit it.
So you can learn.
So you can make a change.
Once you do that, everything will be fine.
Then your mind will be positive.
That's why I gave you this.
This is where you started from.
Read this.
Learn what strategic was put in place to show you how to think the way you're thinking.
Put yourself in a third person.
Just for my brain to process.
So the realizing wrongs, you're saying with history, right?
Realizing there was an issue in history and recognizing that that was a huge problem.
Obviously.
It was racial control.
It was racial control.
Yeah.
Transpulation control is racial control.
Like, one superior, this is broken down from the Queen of England, from Rome, from the Greek.
This is going all the way down from the information was stolen from Egypt.
Because if you look in the Bible, King Solomon Which is a black man.
Was the birth king of this world, of this life.
See what I'm saying to you?
Yes.
And then he brought Benjamin from Greek to Greece to come down.
And he took him up as a son.
And he taught him everything about the kingdom.
How to start a nation.
And what he did, he went back home.
He gave the information to Babylon.
And Babylon invaded.
Egypt.
And then they went into the information from Babylon and then went to Europe and stole everything.
And that's when everything started.
Alexander the Great.
They won Columbus.
Big lad Columbus.
So I don't have a problem with white people.
I love white people.
I don't look at you as white.
I look at you as a human being.
But because of what today's society is, before I can stand up as a human being, I've got to stand up as I'm black.
I don't want to stand up with them black, bro.
You think I want to stand up with them black?
I'm human.
If they can never cut both of us right now, we bleed them red.
We're the same.
Yeah, so with that recognition of the past and the problems of the past, and obviously, hellish acts were slavery.
Horrible, horrible thing, right?
I recognize that was a horrible thing.
What now, guys, is that change that's needed?
So like you were saying, legislature and voting in, let's say, good district attorneys and They're going to treat everybody like humans.
So then, with something like this, with something like this whole rally, what can that end goal be?
What is that end goal?
The end goal is like, we've been a slave for so many years.
Mentally, physically, spiritually.
You try to put your space spiritually.
What needs to take place is taxes, me personally, and it goes all across the board.
I think we need to get rid of...
Both times, I think that is good.
Black people should not be paying taxes.
We should be exempt from taxes.
We helped build this nation.
But to be honest with you, if I say that, that is going to...
If we do that, that's going to cause strife within race.
Because eventually, I study human personalities.
So I look at things so deep.
If that happens, I know eventually race is going to be like, why?
They're the only one getting exempt.
We need to get exempt too, right?
It's rights, right?
So it's equal rights and justice, right?
Everybody should feel the same, right?
You know what I'm saying?
We all should feel the same, right?
At the same exact point, we still need to realize our freedom and we have to let ourselves go.
So I think we should cut back in taxes and we should not pay income tax or sales tax.
One of them got to go.
That's all equal.
Equilibrium for everyone.
Right?
Either income tax go or sales tax go.
We're only keeping one of them.
One of them got to go.
Do you see the U.S. Treasurer every single year posting exactly how much money they collected in income tax and sales?
Do you see that?
No, I don't.
You've never seen that.
How many times do you see that they ever post that?
They don't want you to know that.
They collect more than trillions of dollars in income tax and sales tax every single year.
It's beyond belief.
Beyond belief.
Like, we make so much money, America has enough money to free the whole entire world.
We don't have to work on the day in our life.
Money does not exist.
Money is not real.
It's a figment of imagination.
Your birth certificate is a bond.
Your social security number is a bond.
Everything is tied to a bond.
That's why if you have a debt and you don't pay it off, after seven years, it says falls off, it doesn't exist.
It's not real.
The whole system is Is this your first time out here?
No, it was here last night.
Oh, you were?
How was it last night?
Was it like this kind of?
A little more lively.
Lively?
I heard there was a lot of people like everybody on reddit talking about you know how many people there were and how everybody was like hanging out music and everything like that I heard that conversation with you and that guy was really cool and then at the end y 'all hugged it out like was that kind of what you expected to have happen in that conversation?
I think the end was cool because the whole issue with a lot of these problems is this divide between people the divide between Democrats and Republicans the divide between conservatives and liberals and I think one of the root issues of all these problems is there is a there's a forgetfulness that everybody's a human and that everybody has their own perspectives and it just creates more partisan perspectives but
yeah, and so I don't know I didn't really understand some of his perspectives I wouldn't say I agree with all of them or the majority of them but the reality of just listening to somebody of a differentiating opinion It looked like you guys were both listening to each other.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
That's what's important.
It doesn't happen these days.
That's what I was going to bring up.
Maybe we need a little bit more of that to address the problems that everyone's feeling.
The tension.
Maybe, like he was saying, strife.
Things like that.
Because the fact that you guys maybe disagreed on some issues, we still came together, had a hug out.
And everything's just been real positive, you know?
Is that how you felt about it?
Oh 100% yeah that's I mean it's a lot of these problems are rooted in pride in this Everybody wants to be right, everybody wants their own pain, everybody wants to stand out and they want to be right.
And I mean, sometimes there's only one right answer, sometimes there's more than one right answer, but you have to be able to listen to the opposing party in order to truthfully If we slit our wrists, we bleed the same blood.
I love him whether I agree with him or not, I guess.
That's what I'm trying to say.
It doesn't matter if I disagree with him.
Right on, I agree with that.
You know, having love and just being a fellow man and stuff like that.
You know, fellow man.
But what I was going to say is, as well, how do you feel like, do you think this has been effective as far as how people have responded to everything or to the protests?
I'm not really sure.
Time will tell whether or not change happens.
Time will tell whether or not the police are defunded.
I don't agree that you should defund the police.
That's not my perspective.
But, you know, who knows in a week from now what's going to happen.
But, I mean, what was interesting to me yesterday was seeing that a lot of this, it was a party.
It seemed like a celebration.
And I remember what saying, if you listen to some of the speakers over there that were talking, a lot of it was, this is not a party, this is about a serious matter.
And so that was interesting to me, was just seeing that...
You've been isolated for four months, you've got thousands of people on the field all gathered together, eating tacos, drinking beer, hanging out, having fun.
And I'm curious what percentage of people are here to protest and what percentage of people are here just because they can get out of the house now without getting yelled at by the police.
You know, so it's, I'm curious because...
It's interesting.
No, that's very interesting.
And you being from around here, you know, seeing so many people at the same place is like, at least that's got to be different for you.
Yeah, and I think that's what a lot of this is.
It's just people getting together and socializing because they can socialize.
And I mean, again, I don't know everybody's heart, I don't know everybody's intentions, but I mean, that's not a bad thing per se.
And I wouldn't argue it's the most beneficial way to elicit change, you know.
But, with that being said, First Amendment right, right to protest.
And so, the fact that it is happening peacefully, I am all in favor of.
Again, I don't know how effective it will be.
I don't know how, especially if there is no end goal in play right now, I don't know how effective that will be, but this is their right to do.
And I think as long as it is done peacefully, as long as there is no vandalism or destruction of property, then I think that is within their right.
That is something I can support.
Obviously, the National Guard is not necessary right now, but when all The city of Minneapolis is up in flames.
It's burned to a crisp.
And so do I think that that is within anybody's right to do?
No.
I do not think there's ever a justifiable form of writing.
I do not think that throwing a temper tantrum and burning down a police precinct is going to change or bring about any illicit change.
And I do not think that's something anybody's right.
And so with that being said, if the police cannot control the destruction of a city and Minneapolis being burned to a crisp, Now with that being said, again, I wasn't at these riots.
I wasn't, I don't know if it was police overstepping their bounds or if it was, But since I wasn't there, I don't really know what to say about the whole National Guard thing.
I haven't seen the National Guard since I've been out here, so I don't really know.
As I was listening to your conversation with that gentleman, he kind of made a sidebar or side point that, you know, if he felt like his life was in danger, you know, why wouldn't he want to take out as many people as he could and down with him?
I don't know if you remember that comment.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
To be honest with you, if they're killing so many black people, if it was up to me, to be honest with you, I'm being dead serious with you.
If it was up to me and if it wasn't up with the spirit, I would say, if you're really gonna kill me, I'm gonna say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker's gonna die.
If I know I'm gonna die, why not take somebody with me?
Like why you guarantee you're gonna kill me, right?
We've been killing black people for years, right?
We're gonna die, right?
So I'm gonna take someone with me.
I don't know if you remember that comment.
If I can take a hundred and I go by myself, I'm cool.
Do you feel like maybe that kind of mentality or attitude might be shared by other people around here?
I mean, I know for a fact that the majority of cops are not racist cops, you know, and I don't want to say that too loudly, but I mean, you know, with every single form of vocation, with every single form of job, there are going to be people that are not equipped to work that job, and especially when you look at I don't think you defund the police to make that change.
I think what you do is you reform the justice system where you do not allow police unions, you do not allow people to get fired from one county, move to the next, somebody like Derek Chauvin who had multiple, whether it was firings or multiple problems on his record and then never got dealt with and now George Floyd is dead.
And so that was unnecessary and could have been solved I do not think the mentality of fuck the police is at all beneficial or helpful.
If anything, it creates more divide than there needs to be.
And the whole mentality of just all cops are bad or all this or whatever is bogus because the reality is...
One can victimize all police officers if they want to, but the harsh reality is the majority of police officers are not racist.
The majority of police officers are not killing black people, and the majority of police officers are not assholes.
We can paint that picture, but it's not true.
It's a narrative.
It's a false narrative.
So I mean, you know, I do think so much of what's going on out here is a search for identity I think a lot of it is a lot of young people who want to find value in something and they want to, you know, be a part of something big and part of something meaningful.
I think that's why the majority of people here are in that millennial generation.
And so, you know, whether or not this search for identity is the right one, I don't know.
It's not how I search for identity.
So it's not, it's, it's, yeah, it's interesting, but I do not think that painting a false picture of F the police is at all beneficial at all because, you know, if anybody here had their house broken into, the first person there would be a cop.
I want them shut down.
I want them silent.
I want them muted.
I think they are horrible for our society.
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