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June 18, 2020 - Toxic Culture - Rob Agueros
16:25
Black & White Protesters Debate The Black Lives Matter Message
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I mean, I know for a fact that the majority of cops are not racist cops.
You know, yeah.
I don't want to say that too loudly.
But I'm being dead serious with you.
It was up to me if it wasn't up for the spirit.
I would say, if you already gonna kill me, I'm gonna say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker gonna die.
If I know I'm gonna die, why not take somebody with me?
Like, right?
You guarantee you're gonna kill me, right?
But they kill him back in for years, right?
We're gonna die, right?
So I'm gonna take someone with me.
If I can take a hundred and I go by myself, I'm cool.
Common ground, right?
We all come from the same.
That's now.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Remember, wait, wait, don't, don't, don't, don't.
No, I'm not getting that.
I just remember, we're speaking about Leviathan and the time where Leviathan was made.
The 17th century.
We're talking about that.
And now, systematically, it has grown and it's evolved into something way different.
Way different.
See what I'm saying?
But this is what the history do.
The history has done this to us.
See what I'm saying?
The history of what is in place for you to feel this way.
So you know who's the problem?
Your uncle, your grandma, your grandpa.
You got to talk to them.
You got to tell them.
Like, mom, this is trusting me.
Like, I'm living in today's day.
Like, what you did has to be coming back to them, like, for real.
Like, tenfold.
Like, you happier society that we're living right now.
Like, seriously.
Like, for real, for real.
Because, like, to be honest with you, if they're killing so many black people, if it was up to me, to be honest with you, I'm being dead serious with you.
If it was up to me, if it wasn't up for the spirit, I would say, if you're really gonna kill me, I'm gonna say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker gonna die.
If I know I'm gonna die, why not take somebody with me?
Like, why?
Guarantee you're gonna kill me, right?
But the killing die for years, right?
We're gonna die, right?
So I'm gonna take someone with me.
If I can take a hundred and I go by myself, I'm cool.
But I'm not like that.
I'm walking with the spirit.
And the spirit said we have to move together as a unity.
We have to move together as one.
So what I'm telling you now, all we have to do is develop our self-respect.
First, realize that we're wrong.
Admit that you're wrong.
That's the first thing you do something wrong.
You gotta admit it.
So you can learn.
So you can make a change.
Once you do that, everything will be fine.
Then your mind will become supposed to be.
That's why I gave you this.
Willie Lynch, Automaking a Slave.
This is where you started from.
Read this.
Learn what statistical is put in place to show you how to think the way you're thinking.
Put yourself in the third person.
Here's for my brain to process.
So the realizing wrong.
You're saying with history.
Realizing there was an issue in history and recognizing that that was a huge problem.
Honestly.
It was racial control.
Yeah.
Relationship control is racial control.
Like, once you create, this is broken down from the Queen of England, from Rome, from the Greek.
This is pulling all the way down from the information was stolen from Egypt.
Because if you look in the Bible, King Solomon, which is a black man, was the birth king of this world, of his life.
See what I'm saying to you?
And then he brought Benjamites, Benjamin, from Greek, to Greece to come down.
And he took him up as a son.
And he taught him everything about the kingdom.
How to start a nation.
And what he did, he went back home, gave the information to Babylon.
And Babylon invaded Egypt.
And then they went and took the information from Babylon and then went to Europe and stole everything.
And that's when everything started.
Alexander the Great, they have the one Columbus, big lad Columbus.
So I don't have a problem with white people.
I love white people.
I don't look at you as white.
I look at you as a human being.
But because of what today's society is, before I can stand up as a human being, I gotta stand up as I'm black.
I don't want to stand up as I'm black.
Why do you think I want to stop as I'm black?
I'm human.
If you could knife or cut both of us right now, we bleed them right.
Yeah, so with that recognition of the past and the problems of the past, and obviously hellish acts were slavery, horrible, horrible thing.
I recognized that was a horrible thing.
What now, then, is that change that's needed?
So like you were saying, like legislature and voting in, let's say, good district attorneys and good people in politics that aren't going to oppress anybody.
They're going to treat everybody like humans.
So then, like, with something like this, with something like this whole rally, though, if, like, what can that end goal be then?
Like, what is that end goal?
So the end goal is like slave, right?
We've been slave for so many years, mentally, physically, spiritual.
They try to put your space spiritually.
What needs to take place is taxes, me personally, and this goes for all across the board.
I think we need to get rid of both taxes.
I think black people, I ask you to say the same thing, I think black people should not be paying taxes.
We should be exempt from taxes.
We help build this nation.
But to be honest with you, if I say that, if we do that, that's going to cause strife within race.
Because eventually, because I look, I consider myself a social scientist.
I study human personalities.
So I look at things so deep, if that happens, I know eventually races are going to be like, why?
They're the only one getting an exam.
Like, we need to get exempt too, right?
It's rights, right?
So it's equal rights and justice, right?
Everybody should feel the same.
You know what I'm saying?
We all should feel the same.
I said if you ain't black, at the same exact point, we still need to realize our fear.
And we have to let ourselves go.
So I think we should put back in taxes and we should not pay income tax or sales tax.
One of them got to go.
That's all equal.
Equilibrium for everyone.
Either income tax goal or sales tax goal.
Only keeping one of them.
One of them got to go.
Do you see the U.S. Treasurer every single year posting exactly how much money they collected in income tax and sales?
Do you see that?
No, I don't.
You've never seen that.
How many times do you see that paper post that?
They don't want you to know that.
They collect more than trillions of dollars in income tax and sales tax every single year.
It's beyond belief.
Beyond belief.
Like, we make so much money, America has enough money to free the whole entire world.
We don't have to work another day in our life.
Money does not exist.
Money's not real.
It's a fake imagination.
Your birth certificate is a bond.
Your Social Security number is a bond.
Everything is tied to a bond.
That's why if you have a debt and you don't pay it off, after seven years, this thing falls off.
It doesn't exist.
It's not real.
The whole system is a rig.
They fooling us.
It's racial wise.
It's disgusting.
Love you, brother.
Love you.
Okay, God bless you, man.
You're positive.
Is this your first time out here?
I was here last night.
Oh, you were?
How was it last night?
Was it like this, kind of?
A little more lively.
Lively?
A little more lively.
A lot more people.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
I heard there was a lot of people.
Like, everybody on Reddit's talking about, you know, how many people there were and how everybody was just hanging out, music and everything like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was a good old time.
I heard that conversation with you and that guy was really cool.
And then at the end, y'all hugged it out.
Was that kind of what you expected to have happen in that conversation?
Yeah, I think the end was cool because I think the whole issue with a lot of these problems is this divide between people, the divide between Democrats and Republicans, the divide between conservatives and liberals.
And I think one of the root issues of all these problems is there is a forgetfulness that everybody's a human and that everybody has their own perspectives, and it just creates more partisan perspectives.
But yeah, and so I don't know, I didn't really understand some of his perspectives.
I wouldn't say I agree with all of them, or the majority of them, but the reality of just listening to somebody of a differentiating opinion.
It looked like you guys were both listening to each other.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
That's what I was going to bring up.
Like, maybe we need a little bit more of that to address the problems that everyone's feeling, the tension, maybe, like he was saying, strife, things like that.
Because the fact that you guys maybe disagreed on some issues, we still came together, had a hug out, and everything's just been real positive.
Is that how you felt about it?
Oh, 100%, yeah.
A lot of these problems are rooted in pride.
Everybody wants to be right.
Everybody wants their own opinion.
Everybody wants to stand out and they want to be right.
And I mean, sometimes there's only one right answer.
Sometimes there's more than one right answer, but you have to be able to listen to the opposing party in order to truthfully come to...
We slit our wrists.
We bleed the same blood.
And so, yeah, I mean, I love him whether I agree with him or not, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
It doesn't matter if I disagree with him.
Right on, I agree with that.
You know, having love and just being brother fellow man and stuff like that, you know, fellow man.
But I was going to say is, as well, how do you feel like do you think this has been effective as far as how people have responded to everything or to the protests?
I'm not really sure.
I mean, time will tell whether or not change happens.
Time will tell whether or not the police should be funded.
I don't agree that you should be funded the police.
That's not my perspective.
But, you know, who knows in a week from now what's going to happen.
But I mean, what was interesting to me yesterday was seeing that a lot of this, it was a party.
It seemed like a celebration.
And I remember what's saying, if you listen to some of the speakers over there that were talking, a lot of it was, this is not a party, this is about a serious matter.
And so that was interesting to me was just seeing that a lot of it seemed like it was just an excuse to socialize.
Even isolated for four months, you've got thousands of people on the field all gathered together eating tacos, drinking beer, hanging out, having fun.
And I'm curious what percentage of people are here to protest, what percentage of people are here just because they can get out of the house now without getting yelled at by the police.
I'm curious because, yeah, I don't know.
It's interesting.
No, that's very interesting.
And you being from around here, seeing so many people at the same place is like, at least that's got to be different for you.
Yeah, and I think that's what a lot of this is, is that people getting together and socializing because they can socialize.
And I mean, again, I don't know everybody's heart.
I don't know about everybody's intentions, but I mean, and that's not a bad thing per se.
But I wouldn't argue it's the most beneficial way to elicit change, you know.
But with that being said, First Amendment right to protest.
And so the fact that it is happening peacefully, I am all in favor of.
Again, I don't know how effective it will be.
I don't know how, especially if there is no end goal in play right now, I don't know how effective that will be.
But this is their right to do.
And I think as long as it is done peacefully, as long as there is no vandalism or destruction of property, then I think that is within their right.
That is something I can support.
Obviously, the National Guard is not necessary right now, but when all these pros, I mean, if you look at the city of Minneapolis, right?
The city of Minneapolis is up in flames.
It's burned to a crisp.
And so do I think that that is within anybody's right to do?
No, I do not think there's ever a justifiable form of rioting.
I do not think that throwing a temperature and burning down a police precinct is going to change or bring about any illicit change.
And I do not think that's within anybody's right.
And so, with that being said, if the police cannot control the destruction of a city and Minneapolis being burned to a crisp, then if the only resort is to bring in the National Guard, then you bring in the National Guard.
Now, with that being said, again, I wasn't at these riots.
I wasn't, I don't know if it was police overstepping their bounds or if it was people just crossing lines.
But it's, yeah, it's tough.
Since I wasn't there, I don't really know what to say about the whole National Guard thing.
I haven't seen the National Guard since I've been out here, so I don't really know.
As I was listening to your conversation with that gentleman, he kind of made a sidebar, a side point that, you know, if he felt like his life was in danger, why wouldn't he want to take out as many people as he could and down with him?
I don't know if you remember that comment.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, to be honest with you, if they're killing so many black people, if it was up to me, to be honest with you, I'm being dead serious with you.
If it was up to me, if it wasn't up for the spirit, I would say, if you're really gonna kill me, I'm gonna say, let's start a massacre right now.
Every motherfucker's gonna die.
If I know I'm gonna die, why not take somebody with me?
Like, right?
Guarantee you're gonna kill me, right?
We've been killing black people for years, right?
We're gonna die, right?
So, I'm gonna take someone with me.
If I can take a hundred and I go by myself, I'm cool.
Do you feel like maybe that kind of mentality or attitude might be shared by other people around here?
I mean, I know for a fact that the majority of cops are not resource cops.
You know, I don't want to say that too loudly.
But, I mean, you know, with every single form of vocation, with every single form of job, there are going to be people that are not equipped to work that job.
And especially when you look at police officers, it is the highest form of responsibility of any job that one can work.
And so I think, of course, there's going to be an abuse of power.
And I think, you know, where a change should, I don't think you defund the police to make that change.
I think what you do is you reform the justice system where you do not allow police unions.
You do not allow people to get fired from one, you know, county, move to the next.
Somebody like Derek Chavin, who had multiple, whether it was firings or, you know, multiple problems on his record and that never got dealt with, and now George Floyd is dead.
And so that was unnecessary and could have been solved by just de-unionization.
And so, I mean, it's, I do not think the mentality of fuck the police is at all beneficial or helpful.
If anything, it creates more divide than there needs to be.
And the whole mentality of just all cops are bad or all this or whatever is bogus because the reality is all cops are not bad.
And the majority of people here have been protected by the police their whole entire life.
And so I mean, you know, one can victimize all police officers if they want to, but the harsh reality is the majority of police officers are not racist, the majority of police officers are not killing black people, and the majority of police officers are not assholes.
And so I mean, if that, I mean, if we can paint that picture, but it's not true, and it's a narrative, it's a false narrative.
And so I mean, you know, I do think so much of what's going on out here is a search for identity.
I think a lot of it is a lot of young people who want to find value in something and they want to, you know, be a part of something big and part of something meaningful.
I think that's why the majority of people here are in that millennial generation.
And so, you know, whether or not this search for identity is the right one, I don't know.
It's not how I search for identity.
And so it's not, it's, it's, yeah, it's interesting, but I do not think that painting a false picture of F the police is at all beneficial at all because, you know, if anybody here had their house broken into, the first person there would be a cop.
I want them shut down.
I want them silent.
I want them muted.
I think they are horrible for our society.
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