Knowledge Fight - Bonus - The Denver Airport
Aired: 2017-07-21
Duration: 01:26:12


=== Smash Heads and Bravado (05:12) ===

[00:00:00]  All I do is smash heads, bro.
[00:00:13]  That's what they want you to think.
[00:00:22]  That's what they want you to think.
[00:00:32]  You to think.
[00:00:32]  That's what they want.
[00:00:40]  You to think.
[00:00:41]  And you to think.
[00:00:43]  You're not going to give him a verse?
[00:00:48]  Oh, man, I'm so rusty.
[00:00:51]  All right, fuck it.
[00:00:52]  Towers falling.
[00:00:53]  I was going to get into it again.
[00:00:55]  Wrong episode.
[00:00:56]  I forgot.
[00:00:56]  Was that at the end or the beginning?
[00:00:58]  I forgot.
[00:00:58]  I apologize.
[00:00:59]  It's all right.
[00:01:00]  It's fine.
[00:01:01]  It's a thrill to be able to reunite these dulcet duetting tones.
[00:01:06]  Knocking that rust off.
[00:01:07]  Indeed.
[00:01:07]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to That's What They Want You to Think, which is a conspiracy theory podcast featuring myself and the one and only Marty DeRosa.
[00:01:15]  It's good to be back in the old conspiracy theory cheer.
[00:01:18]  Indeed.
[00:01:19]  Share.
[00:01:19]  Have you been?
[00:01:20]  I know that you were telling me that you've, in our year long hiatus.
[00:01:24]  I did, pretty much, hiatus.
[00:01:26]  The last year since we've recorded, you've become a bit of a cynic.
[00:01:29]  I am.
[00:01:30]  A skeptic.
[00:01:31]  A skeptic.
[00:01:32]  I'm a cynic, like many.
[00:01:36]  I really thought there was some big stuff that was going to go down.
[00:01:39]  Sure.
[00:01:40]  And it didn't.
[00:01:43]  I will credit a lot of this to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:48]  Oh, yeah.
[00:01:49]  To just.
[00:01:50]  You know, I tell you what.
[00:01:51]  Well, you were, you were saying that you, for a stretch, were listening to tons of Alex Jones.
[00:01:55]  I was falling asleep to Alex Jones.
[00:01:57]  That's not good.
[00:01:58]  I know.
[00:01:59]  That's how you get in the subconscious.
[00:02:00]  I know, Dan.
[00:02:01]  And I, I remember telling you when, uh, back during the, before the election, when Hillary, uh, passed out.
[00:02:10]  Yeah.
[00:02:11]  I was like, on 9-11.
[00:02:12]  On 9-11.
[00:02:13]  A conspiracy theory Christmas.
[00:02:16]  They all got fucking hard.
[00:02:18]  Oh, no.
[00:02:18]  I was, I was.
[00:02:19]  To be fair, we did too.
[00:02:20]  We did.
[00:02:21]  I go, Dan, Dan, this is, I thought, At that point, that was going to be Alex Jones' shining moment.
[00:02:29]  That was going to launch him into the mainstream.
[00:02:32]  Oh, sure.
[00:02:32]  Well, he did get launched into the mainstream, unfortunately.
[00:02:35]  Yeah.
[00:02:36]  And that is, in a way, the worst way.
[00:02:39]  Right.
[00:02:39]  But, you know, nothing.
[00:02:43]  It's one of those things where you get burnt so many times.
[00:02:47]  Sure.
[00:02:47]  You know, like in wrestling.
[00:02:48]  I like to draw parallels to wrestling often.
[00:02:51]  I think I know where you're going, and I have my own version of this.
[00:02:54]  Okay.
[00:02:54]  Okay.
[00:02:55]  Well, you know, I mean, in wrestling, you burn the fans so many times they stop coming to your shows.
[00:03:00]  Sure.
[00:03:00]  And there's been multiple companies where they've done that and the fans have just said, nah.
[00:03:06]  And there's no payoff and crazy swerves.
[00:03:13]  You know, and there's a lot of those things.
[00:03:15]  Or there's a lot of things too where there have been people being like, huge announcement coming soon.
[00:03:21]  And then I'll be like, well, you never followed up on that.
[00:03:23]  So, you know what?
[00:03:24]  I'm just done with you.
[00:03:25]  The version I was thinking of is like, I love the character of Bray Wyatt.
[00:03:29]  In wrestling.
[00:03:30]  And now, perfect example.
[00:03:31]  He's a dog shit fire pile.
[00:03:34]  I mean, there's a guy, it's just a guy.
[00:03:36]  It's there now.
[00:03:37]  I just know who cares.
[00:03:38]  Yeah.
[00:03:39]  And it's a bummer because he had all the potential in the world.
[00:03:42]  And he is essentially in wrestling what Alex Jones is in real life screaming.
[00:03:47]  Sure.
[00:03:48]  A lot of bravado, a lot of talk.
[00:03:50]  But then after you really break it down, you go, Oh, you're not talking about anything.
[00:03:55]  Yep.
[00:03:55]  And the things that you hear about, and I mean, I will ask you this.
[00:04:01]  Okay.
[00:04:01]  Now that I got you here, this is the same.
[00:04:04]  It's not every day you get to sit down with the host of one of your favorite podcasts.
[00:04:07]  This is a rare interview.
[00:04:09]  But for real, I mean, there's times I listen to podcasts.
[00:04:11]  Like, I love, uh, there's a real super nerdy wrestling podcast I love called Between the Sheets.
[00:04:16]  Okay.
[00:04:17]  Uh, and they'll, they'll, these guys are so deep into wrestling that they'll say stuff that I don't know about.
[00:04:21]  Is this where you got the idea to record in your bed?
[00:04:25]  No, no, no.
[00:04:26]  But what a happy coincidence this is.
[00:04:28]  I'm on, uh, iTunes searching Between the Sheets and I realize, oh, there's a couple other Between the Sheets podcasts.
[00:04:35]  One of the Between the Sheets podcasts is with a couple who swings.
[00:04:38]  Oh, nice.
[00:04:39]  And I'm like, well, you know what?
[00:04:40]  Since I'm here, I'll download an episode or two.
[00:04:43]  Uh, very interesting.
[00:04:44]  I'm sure.
[00:04:44]  Very interesting.
[00:04:45]  It's all about hot tubbing.
[00:04:46]  But on the wrestling version of Between the Sheets, every once in a while, the hosts will say something like, well, I'm sure so-and-so had something to say about that.
[00:04:53]  And they'll have a little giggle.
[00:04:54]  And I'm like, I don't know what they're talking about.
[00:04:55]  With the little wink.
[00:04:56]  Yeah.
[00:04:57]  But.
[00:04:57]  So you're saying that there is some equivalent of that within my world.
[00:05:01]  Now I get to ask you something.
[00:05:03]  Sure.
[00:05:04]  So, uh, and, and I'm, I'm, um, embarrassed that I listen to Alex enough to think maybe he's onto something.
[00:05:11]  It's fine.

=== Roger Stone's Political Enemies (07:50) ===

[00:05:12]  A lot of people are fooled.
[00:05:13]  And I, I, I've been fooled.
[00:05:15]  Slightly at parts in my life.
[00:05:16]  With the, you know, him talking big about, like, you know, oh, that was a false flag or that didn't happen.
[00:05:24]  Sandy Hook didn't happen.
[00:05:25]  Sure.
[00:05:26]  What is sort of the, oh, let me tell you the real story, the truth behind that video with the people walking around the school and stuff?
[00:05:32]  And he brought it up in the Megan Kelly interview.
[00:05:34]  Yeah, where he's like, well, what about that video of the people walking around the school and the actor and the.
[00:05:37]  I don't, with the people walking around in a circle, I don't think that public officials would dignify that with a response.
[00:05:44]  Okay.
[00:05:44]  Especially from people who have a vested interest in proving something wrong.
[00:05:48]  Mm hmm.
[00:05:49]  You know, like, if a conspiracy theorist is like, my position is Sandy Hook didn't happen, and you're the school administrator, and I come to you and I'm like, what about this?
[00:05:57]  Why are people walking around in a circle?
[00:05:58]  No matter what answer you give me, I'm not going to be like, oh, good call.
[00:06:03]  My rational brain using Occam's razor tells me you have a ton of people and you need to do something with them.
[00:06:12]  And I remember back when I was in school, you know, like, if you showed up early to school, they'd have you walk around in a circle around the hallways, like, The top floor was clockwise, bottom floor counterclockwise, and it was just a way of keeping kids doing something, not planning things, and these kids would be traumatic, and you don't have enough resources to put them all in a building somewhere and have people, like, you couldn't have a massive chill out tent for them,
[00:06:41]  and so walking around in a pre-designated area would be a way to keep them just baseline occupied.
[00:06:49]  It doesn't seem weird to me.
[00:06:52]  And again, you're a fan of Occam's Razor.
[00:06:55]  Love it.
[00:06:56]  And I agree.
[00:06:56]  You shave with it every day.
[00:06:57]  Yeah, right.
[00:06:58]  They're my new sponsor on Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling, Occam's Razor Shave Club.
[00:07:02]  Oh, man.
[00:07:03]  But, um, it is kind of just like, yeah, the most logical answer is probably the answer.
[00:07:08]  The one with the least, like, uh, moving parts.
[00:07:09]  Yeah.
[00:07:10]  And, and I, I look at that and I look at a lot of this stuff.
[00:07:14]  And also, what's gotten me too is, um, I just saw that report of all the people who were at that Hamptons party.
[00:07:23]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:24]  The one that came out, that New York socialite event, where there was one of the Koch brothers, George Soros, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, a bunch of people, Chuck Schumer.
[00:07:36]  People from both sides.
[00:07:37]  Yeah, you see that, and to me, that's like I'm a wrestling fan who doesn't know wrestling is predetermined, and I look in a hotel bar and I see, well, why is Brock Lesnar talking to Samoa Joe, and why is Seth Rollins and the.
[00:07:57]  Bray, why?
[00:07:58]  I don't understand.
[00:07:59]  We're recording this on the day of Great Balls of Fire.
[00:08:02]  These matchups are.
[00:08:03]  But I mean, like, but, like, but, you know, why is The Miz and Daniel Bryan political kayfabe?
[00:08:08]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:09]  And I see, once you see something like that, you just kind of go, oh.
[00:08:13]  I think there's a little bit of that, but then also, I don't know.
[00:08:18]  I've said this on an episode of Knowledge Fighting.
[00:08:20]  I don't know if we know enough information about that event because I think that there are instances where people from different political ideologies who are super rich, and if there is like a fundraising aspect to it, I could see billionaires all getting together at some like cancer benefit.
[00:08:38]  Or you were at my birthday party.
[00:08:39]  I'm sure you didn't talk to every guest then.
[00:08:41]  Good lord, no.
[00:08:41]  And I'm sure there were plenty you have.
[00:08:43]  There's enemies.
[00:08:44]  You have enemies.
[00:08:46]  Yeah.
[00:08:47]  But yeah, that's what I, at the same time, I'm not going to take away at all from the political theater aspect of it.
[00:08:53]  There is a kernel of that.
[00:08:55]  Yeah.
[00:08:55]  As you can see with like, I mean, there's allegations flying around about like, Paul Ryan takes George Soros money, and I don't know if that's true, but it's believable enough.
[00:09:06]  I'm a policy wonk, as you know.
[00:09:08]  What's your working definition of a policy wonk?
[00:09:10]  Someone who gives me money.
[00:09:11]  Okay.
[00:09:12]  I am a policy wonk then.
[00:09:14]  Uh, but no, I am, I am somebody who.
[00:09:15]  You are in the sense that I still owe you 20 bucks from like five years ago.
[00:09:18]  You do?
[00:09:19]  I think so.
[00:09:19]  I'll keep it.
[00:09:20]  You've given me so much entertainment.
[00:09:22]  Very nice of you.
[00:09:22]  But I will say as somebody who, you know, I, I have MSNBC on or CNN on.
[00:09:28]  I prefer MSNBC, um, to CNN.
[00:09:31]  But, and then every once in a while when something happens, I'll go, ooh, let me go check, you know, what's like with Germany.
[00:09:35]  I had that all on Friday.
[00:09:36]  Then I'm like, well, let's see what the, you know, the Fox spin is on it.
[00:09:39]  And they'll go over there and stuff.
[00:09:41]  Then after a while, you just get kind of like, eh, these guys all suck.
[00:09:44]  I like the majority report.
[00:09:45]  Love it.
[00:09:45]  I love that.
[00:09:46]  Sam Cedar is great.
[00:09:47]  Sam Cedar is fantastic.
[00:09:50]  And I really enjoy that.
[00:09:51]  His YouTube videos are great.
[00:09:53]  Love them.
[00:09:53]  I love they're just kind of cut dry.
[00:09:55]  I've recommended people watch this.
[00:09:57]  If you don't know Sam Cedar, go watch anytime Andy Kindler is on and they break down Bill O'Reilly whenever he has Dennis Miller on.
[00:10:07]  Oh, they love making fun of Dennis Miller.
[00:10:09]  They frown on him so hard.
[00:10:10]  I will say this after watching, did you ever end up going back and watching the.
[00:10:17]  The Roger Stone documentary on Netflix?
[00:10:18]  I did not.
[00:10:19]  People have told me to.
[00:10:20]  I think it's important.
[00:10:21]  I turned it off just like you.
[00:10:22]  I'll say this.
[00:10:23]  I never started it.
[00:10:24]  The reason was I didn't have a password.
[00:10:26]  Now, today, I got an email from Netflix offering me a second free trial.
[00:10:32]  So I'm going to sign up and I'll watch it and a couple other things on Netflix.
[00:10:35]  I started watching it.
[00:10:36]  I turned it off because it made me kind of sick.
[00:10:39]  It was gross.
[00:10:39]  It was really gross.
[00:10:40]  Well, you know what happens.
[00:10:41]  I know what happens.
[00:10:44]  But then I thought, you know what?
[00:10:46]  I think I should watch this.
[00:10:49]  I've been reading this book called The Tools.
[00:10:51]  And it kind of tells you to kind of lean into those things that make you uncomfortable.
[00:10:55]  Sure.
[00:10:55]  And I was just kind of like, you know what?
[00:10:56]  Maybe I should watch this.
[00:10:57]  I watched it all.
[00:10:58]  And after you watch it, I think you already have a pretty good idea, but you get an even better idea.
[00:11:03]  And you're like, oh, this guy's just.
[00:11:05]  He's a rat fucker.
[00:11:06]  He's a rat fucker.
[00:11:07]  And he's kind of a Vince McMahon type who needed a Hulk Hogan.
[00:11:12]  Yeah.
[00:11:12]  And Trump was his Hogan.
[00:11:13]  And he ran with him.
[00:11:14]  Well, it would be like if Vince McMahon and Hogan were friends for years before they got in business together.
[00:11:20]  Yeah, he was like, but you're Terry.
[00:11:21]  Could be the man.
[00:11:22]  I honestly think maybe a better comparison would be that Alex Jones is his Hogan.
[00:11:27]  Because Roger Stone has built up Alex Jones in the last year and a half.
[00:11:31]  Sure.
[00:11:31]  But he always.
[00:11:32]  Always.
[00:11:33]  And, I mean, you just see that this guy's a piece of garbage and he knows he's manipulating an easily manipulated segment of the population.
[00:11:41]  Mm hmm.
[00:11:42]  And.
[00:11:43]  I don't need to watch the documentary to know that.
[00:11:44]  I know, but I think it would help.
[00:11:46]  I'll check in on it.
[00:11:47]  I'll let you know.
[00:11:48]  As.
[00:11:49]  I mean, as the host of Knowledge Fight, I think it would be.
[00:11:54]  It would be fun for you.
[00:11:55]  That could be an extra, maybe an extra episode where you would just go hate Roger Stone.
[00:12:01]  I do too.
[00:12:02]  I hate Alex Jones, but I hate him in a different way.
[00:12:05]  Yeah.
[00:12:06]  Alex is kind of funny sometimes.
[00:12:08]  Yeah, Alex is more interesting than Roger Stone.
[00:12:11]  Uh, Roger Stone is a, is a, a little dipshit and he knows it and he kind of puts it in your face or whatever.
[00:12:17]  Uh, whereas Alex is much more complex.
[00:12:19]  And, and Alex reveals fucked up pieces of his past just on a whim.
[00:12:25]  Whereas Roger Stone is very protective of, uh, he has a spin for everything.
[00:12:29]  Whereas Alex, like I told you, we had an episode where he's just like, I've done methamphetamine twice.
[00:12:35]  Why are you saying that on the air?
[00:12:37]  Yeah, and I think it, it is, uh, I don't know, man.
[00:12:40]  Like I said, if I had access to people at these news sources, I would be like, listen, in wrestling, they have great sources.
[00:12:50]  And they'll say, hey, I got a great source.
[00:12:51]  This guy gives me some real tasty information, especially when they're talking about a certain subject or topic or whatever.
[00:12:57]  And, man, Megan Kelly could have used you guys.
[00:12:59]  Well, it's the difference between a blog and a melzer, right?

=== Alex vs. Roger Stone (05:15) ===

[00:13:02]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:03]  And Megan Kelly's acting like a blog.
[00:13:06]  She's a blogger.
[00:13:06]  Yeah.
[00:13:07]  But, I mean, that's.
[00:13:08]  She got worked.
[00:13:09]  That said, credit where credit's due, there's a guy named Charlie Warzel who writes for BuzzFeed.
[00:13:14]  I know him.
[00:13:14]  I mean, I know of him.
[00:13:15]  He does some great work.
[00:13:16]  Yeah.
[00:13:17]  So there are people out there who have similar.
[00:13:19]  I think.
[00:13:20]  But hey, enough of this.
[00:13:22]  That's not what we're here for.
[00:13:23]  He's not.
[00:13:24]  What I'll leave it with is the current climate will either bring out, and it's shown me, and I've asked you a couple people, like, hey, who should I be checking out?
[00:13:34]  And you've turned me on to some people on Twitter and stuff who are like, yep, they're awesome, and either they'll get more notoriety, which they deserve, or Or it'll cause more people to be like, I'm going to die.
[00:13:43]  I think some of them may die, quite frankly.
[00:13:45]  Hey.
[00:13:46]  I mean, journalists are probably going to end up getting incarcerated or killed pretty soon.
[00:13:50]  Like, the direction things are going, things aren't going to get better.
[00:13:53]  Like, impeachment isn't going to solve this either.
[00:13:55]  That's the thing that's really fucked up.
[00:13:57]  But hey, guys, let's be fine.
[00:13:59]  That's here or there.
[00:14:00]  Let's hop in a plane, Dan, and take a trip.
[00:14:01]  Absolutely.
[00:14:02]  Hey, it's time for us to explore a conspiracy chosen by Marty DeRosa.
[00:14:07]  That's why.
[00:14:16]  Get on the plane.
[00:14:18]  We're going to take a trip to Denver, Colorado.
[00:14:24]  It's not your mom and dad's airport.
[00:14:27]  Yeah, they got a Panda Express or a Chili's, but there's more to it than that.
[00:14:32]  Maybe in Auntie Ann's pretzels.
[00:14:34]  Oh, yeah.
[00:14:36]  All right.
[00:14:37]  But a whole lot more.
[00:14:38]  So, today we are going to be discussing the Denver International Airport.
[00:14:41]  Oh, yeah.
[00:14:42]  Marty, why did you choose this as our topic for this month?
[00:14:44]  I've been there.
[00:14:45]  You have?
[00:14:47]  I've been there.
[00:14:48]  I had a little time to kill there.
[00:14:50]  I was.
[00:14:50]  Did you find some tunnels?
[00:14:52]  I found, I didn't find tunnels, but I found some creepy ass artwork.
[00:14:55]  Okay.
[00:14:55]  And I went, oh, there is something to this.
[00:14:57]  It was kind of one of those first things of being like, I've heard some weird stuff and we had talked about it and I'd read some blogs about it or whatever and gotten lost on YouTube talking about it and things like that.
[00:15:08]  And then when I went there, I was like, let me see what's what.
[00:15:10]  Yeah.
[00:15:11]  And I saw some stuff and I'm like, this is crazy.
[00:15:14]  Yeah, I hear what you're saying and, you know, this is one of the big conspiracies in the world.
[00:15:18]  This is, this is one of the, you know, if you're looking at main eventers, To use more wrestling terminology, I think that the Denver International Airport is probably in the main event scene.
[00:15:28]  I think so.
[00:15:28]  It's definitely hovering above the main event scene.
[00:15:31]  One of the things that I find super fascinating about it is if you really look into it, every single group of different kinds of conspiracy theorists finds something about that airport that they take issue with.
[00:15:42]  Yeah, there's something for everybody.
[00:15:44]  There's Illuminati stuff.
[00:15:45]  There's NWO stuff.
[00:15:46]  There's Freemason stuff.
[00:15:48]  Nazi stuff.
[00:15:48]  There's Nazi stuff.
[00:15:49]  There's Christian stuff.
[00:15:50]  Oh, and then even better than that, or on the same level, then you've got.
[00:15:57]  The whole weird thing with that blue stallion.
[00:15:59]  Sure, sure.
[00:16:00]  That would go into.
[00:16:01]  That would create.
[00:16:02]  You know, I don't want to.
[00:16:02]  That would go into, like, some Christianity stuff.
[00:16:04]  Sure.
[00:16:05]  People often say that the big blue Mustang that they call Lucifer.
[00:16:10]  Yes.
[00:16:10]  Is one of the horsemen of the apocalypse.
[00:16:13]  I think it's the pale horse.
[00:16:15]  And.
[00:16:15]  Which symbolizes death.
[00:16:16]  Let people know what happened in the building of that.
[00:16:19]  Well, we'll get into that.
[00:16:20]  Okay.
[00:16:20]  Because I have a real fun story to tell you.
[00:16:22]  I've done a ton of research about the airport.
[00:16:26]  Okay.
[00:16:26]  And I want to lay out just some facts for you.
[00:16:28]  All right.
[00:16:29]  These are inconsistent.
[00:16:31]  Undisputable facts.
[00:16:33]  The airport is 52.4 square miles.
[00:16:36]  It is the largest airport in America based on land area.
[00:16:41]  And there could be even more to it.
[00:16:43]  Yeah.
[00:16:43]  I mean, if you talk about down below.
[00:16:45]  Mile High City, baby.
[00:16:46]  It boasts the longest public runway in America.
[00:16:50]  One of their runways is super long.
[00:16:52]  It has been voted the best airport in America by Business Traveler magazine from 2005 to 2010.
[00:16:59]  And they have 58 million annual passengers.
[00:17:02]  It's the fifth, I believe, most busy airport in the United States and tenth busiest in the world.
[00:17:09]  It, until Indianapolis Airport and a very small regional airport in Missouri were made, it was the first completely new airport made in America since, like, quite a while, the 70s.
[00:17:24]  Which leads a lot of people to think that there was some extra stuff that was built with this airport.
[00:17:29]  There's no doubt about it.
[00:17:30]  So, where do you want to start, Marty?
[00:17:32]  Because there's a, like we said, this goes.
[00:17:34]  Everywhere.
[00:17:35]  Yeah.
[00:17:35]  This goes all over the place.
[00:17:36]  I honestly don't know even where to jump in, so I'm going to let you just get the way.
[00:17:39]  Well, what's the most interesting piece to you?
[00:17:41]  You brought up Lucifer.
[00:17:42]  Let's start with Lucifer because that's on the way to the airport.
[00:17:45]  Yeah.
[00:17:45]  That's on the way when you're driving in.
[00:17:46]  Ooh, we can frame this like a tour.
[00:17:47]  That's what I'm thinking because the last time I went out to Denver, I was heading to the airport real early in the morning.
[00:17:56]  So the guy who flew me out there for Lucha Libre and Laughs, a very fun show if you live in the Denver area at the Oriental Theater, it's worth checking out.
[00:18:04]  He arranged for this kind of like a work type of like, A lot of people who are on a corporate trip or something, they're picked up.
[00:18:11]  This van picked me up at my, at my, uh, place I was staying at.
[00:18:15]  And we're all driving in.
[00:18:16]  I'm up front.
[00:18:17]  I'm the last one to get picked up.

=== Corporate Van Mystique (15:10) ===

[00:18:18]  So no one's sitting next to the driver.
[00:18:20]  I jump in there.
[00:18:21]  I'm, I'm talking to the driver.
[00:18:22]  We're having a little fun chat and we're getting ready to go by Lucifer.
[00:18:25]  And I go, I go, where's the, I go, where's Lucifer at?
[00:18:28]  You know, and he goes, Oh, it's coming up.
[00:18:30]  And he goes, and it's nighttime too.
[00:18:31]  So those eyes are going to be glowing.
[00:18:32]  It's going to look real cool.
[00:18:33]  And I go, Oh, fuck yeah.
[00:18:34]  And then I go, I'm like, uh, so what do you think?
[00:18:38]  And he's like, Well, you know, I mean, it killed the owner and he had some stories about the sun and stuff like that and finishing the work and everything.
[00:18:45]  Then you get the people in the back going, What are you guys talking about?
[00:18:48]  Oh, we're just crazy up here.
[00:18:48]  Don't worry about it.
[00:18:49]  Then all of a sudden, we start doing a live episode of That's What They Want You to Think.
[00:18:53]  Oh, man.
[00:18:53]  Oh, man.
[00:18:54]  So to me, I mean, it is a giant, like, uh.
[00:18:56]  It's beautiful and it's creepy.
[00:18:58]  Yeah.
[00:18:59]  It's huge.
[00:19:00]  It's huge and it looks.
[00:19:02]  It's a blue, veiny looking, uh, Mustang horse.
[00:19:07]  It looks like a, uh, character piece from Dungeons and Dragons that got blown up to, uh, how big is it?
[00:19:16]  About 20 feet tall?
[00:19:17]  I think it's.
[00:19:18]  32 feet tall.
[00:19:18]  32 feet tall.
[00:19:19]  It's giant.
[00:19:20]  And its eyes glow.
[00:19:23]  It's true.
[00:19:23]  They're bright red.
[00:19:24]  Yeah, they're bright red.
[00:19:25]  It's crazy.
[00:19:26]  And as a guy who loves weird shit, I'm just like, it's something where you would think, oh, I don't know, this is going to date me, but Marilyn Manson would have that in his backyard.
[00:19:40]  Like, oh, this fell and killed the creator.
[00:19:44]  Now it's in my backyard.
[00:19:45]  Like the guy, oh, it was Trent Reznor bought the door from.
[00:19:52]  Who's the Manson family killed?
[00:19:53]  The.
[00:19:54]  Squeaky Fromm?
[00:19:55]  No, no, no.
[00:19:55]  The celebrity that they cut open, the pregnant lady that they murdered.
[00:19:59]  Tate?
[00:19:59]  Yeah, Sharon Tate.
[00:20:00]  Sharon Tate.
[00:20:01]  They have the door that they broke.
[00:20:03]  That was like.
[00:20:03]  How interesting.
[00:20:04]  Yeah, right.
[00:20:05]  But things like that.
[00:20:06]  Those guys, like.
[00:20:06]  Or it might have been the corn guy.
[00:20:08]  I don't know.
[00:20:08]  One of them.
[00:20:08]  So the thing is, Louis Jimenez was the artist who designed the Mustang, the giant blue horse.
[00:20:19]  And he was killed when a piece of it fell on him.
[00:20:22]  And he severed an artery in his leg in 2006 when he was already like a 60 something year old man.
[00:20:29]  The reality of it is a little bit more interesting than just some sort of a freak accident.
[00:20:35]  So in 1992, Luis Jimenez was given $165,000 as a down payment in order to make this statue for the Denver airport.
[00:20:46]  He was going to be paid something in the neighborhood of $300,000 total to make it because it's giant.
[00:20:51]  It's a centerpiece of the art that they have there.
[00:20:54]  Oh, is this just hitting me right now?
[00:20:56]  Does that have anything to do with, like, the Denver Broncos?
[00:20:58]  Cause it's a color?
[00:20:59]  I'm so stupid.
[00:21:00]  Maybe a little bit.
[00:21:01]  Blue and orange?
[00:21:01]  Okay.
[00:21:02]  Well, it's not orange.
[00:21:02]  It is red.
[00:21:03]  The eyes are red.
[00:21:04]  But the hair is.
[00:21:05]  Yes.
[00:21:05]  Like orangish.
[00:21:06]  I believe there is an orange hue somewhere.
[00:21:08]  I don't think it's entirely about, uh.
[00:21:11]  Denver Broncos?
[00:21:11]  No, but there's a reason that the Broncos are the mascot of Denver.
[00:21:15]  There's a cattle drive tradition that goes through Colorado.
[00:21:19]  Uh, and, you know, of course, a man and his horse are tightly, uh, connected.
[00:21:23]  Yes.
[00:21:24]  Um, so he's getting paid all this to make the statue.
[00:21:27]  And he keeps missing his deadlines.
[00:21:30]  It goes on and on.
[00:21:32]  He keeps saying it's going to be done, making excuses.
[00:21:36]  And then finally, in 2003, the city of Denver files a lawsuit against him to get that $165,000 back.
[00:21:42]  Whoa!
[00:21:43]  Because he has not completed the work that he's supposed to have done.
[00:21:47]  And at that point, he's like, come on.
[00:21:49]  And so they say that they're going to drop the lawsuit if he does complete the sculpture.
[00:21:54]  So at that point, it's a mad dash to get it done.
[00:21:56]  And he starts cutting corners.
[00:21:58]  Starts working overtime and being pretty irresponsible.
[00:22:02]  So the death ends up happening because he was understaffed and was using a faulty hoist to hold up a piece of the horse in order to, what's it called?
[00:22:14]  Torch it.
[00:22:15]  You know, to smelt it.
[00:22:17]  Weld it.
[00:22:17]  That's the word I was looking for.
[00:22:19]  And so he used an inappropriate hoist and it ended up falling on him.
[00:22:23]  It was human error and, you know, it was not something otherworldly.
[00:22:27]  It was just a guy who was overly ambitious when he created the idea of the statue.
[00:22:32]  He fucking wasn't able to finish it and he tried to cut corners.
[00:22:35]  To be fair, this sounds.
[00:22:37]  Uh, how a supervillain is made.
[00:22:40]  Wait, the horse?
[00:22:41]  No, no, no.
[00:22:41]  Itself?
[00:22:42]  An artist, and they, the, the, you know, the city is sued by the city.
[00:22:46]  They want their money back, and he's cutting corners, and he's working all hours, and he's trying to get it done, and then.
[00:22:52]  He's already spent that money.
[00:22:53]  They're not going to get it done.
[00:22:54]  He's already spent that money, you know, bills are probably piling up, and then all of a sudden, something terrible happens, and then he becomes, you know, a bad guy.
[00:23:02]  Well, if it hadn't severed his artery, uh, in his leg, maybe, because that kills you quick.
[00:23:06]  That does.
[00:23:06]  He ended up dying on the floor in the thing, so.
[00:23:09]  Bled out.
[00:23:10]  If you believe in souls and all that stuff, maybe you believe that his soul and body is the blue horse.
[00:23:15]  And then his son finished this.
[00:23:16]  His family got together and finished it in order to avoid them having to pay back the city.
[00:23:20]  You would think the city would say, hey, let's just.
[00:23:22]  We're cool.
[00:23:23]  We're cool.
[00:23:24]  It took him a couple years and ended up getting done.
[00:23:27]  I think it was like 2008 it got done.
[00:23:29]  And I don't know if you have any information on this, but everyone in Denver was just cool with having this piece of art that led to this man's death.
[00:23:37]  A number of people have tried to petition the airport to take it down, and the airport Position on it is uniformly middle fingers.
[00:23:46]  Okay.
[00:23:46]  So we're not taking it down.
[00:23:47]  And is that kind of their MO for a lot of this stuff?
[00:23:49]  Absolutely.
[00:23:50]  Okay.
[00:23:50]  Absolutely.
[00:23:51]  They have a firm stance of no, we're not going to take down our art.
[00:23:56]  And they have an even further stance that's sort of like they are trolling a little bit.
[00:24:01]  Like there have been news reports of employees at the Denver airport putting on lizard masks whenever news outlets are coming to film and trying to sort of fuck around.
[00:24:11]  Lean into it a little bit.
[00:24:12]  Yeah.
[00:24:13]  And the airport is totally cool with that.
[00:24:14]  Okay.
[00:24:15]  They believe that it.
[00:24:16]  It sort of builds up their mystique.
[00:24:18]  Yeah.
[00:24:18]  And people aren't going to stop.
[00:24:20]  So why not?
[00:24:20]  Have they had any, uh, no, no, obviously they haven't had any Pizzagate type situations where people are trying to shoot up the place.
[00:24:27]  But have the, I mean, is this a destination for, you know, people weirder than me?
[00:24:32]  Yeah, totally.
[00:24:32]  I think a lot of people go and want to experience it, like, uh, some sort of a pilgrimage.
[00:24:37]  Yeah.
[00:24:37]  Uh, we didn't calls?
[00:24:39]  Nope.
[00:24:39]  Certainly not.
[00:24:40]  Is that the doctor?
[00:24:40]  No idea who that is.
[00:24:42]  Uh, Dr. Gums?
[00:24:43]  It might have been the doctor.
[00:24:44]  Uh, who knows?
[00:24:45]  I got all my stitches taken out early this week.
[00:24:48]  Um, I mean, you know, crazy people will look at it like a pilgrimage they gotta take.
[00:24:53]  Yeah.
[00:24:53]  Or like, I have experienced it.
[00:24:55]  Like, you feel great that you went and you saw it.
[00:24:57]  But I assume also if, like, you and I work there and, you know, we're electricians and we're doing something and we see some guy walking around, we're like, ah, look at this guy, but I know what he's up to.
[00:25:05]  Of course.
[00:25:06]  Like, people staring too long and stuff.
[00:25:08]  Or, like, on their phone, like, looking, like, where do I go?
[00:25:11]  So, a further thing that I wanted to bring up is regarding the horse.
[00:25:15]  Yes.
[00:25:16]  You mentioned that it has bright red eyes.
[00:25:17]  Yeah.
[00:25:18]  And a lot of people think that that's some sort of demonic thing.
[00:25:21]  But there is actually a complete explanation for it.
[00:25:25]  Okay.
[00:25:26]  And the eyes were there as an homage to Louis Jimenez, his dad.
[00:25:31]  His dad was an immigrant that came to this country and ran a custom sign shop.
[00:25:35]  He ran a neon sign shop.
[00:25:37]  And when Louis was a kid, that's where he got his love of crafting and that sort of thing.
[00:25:42]  He got into art in college, and his dad had a real tough time with that because that wasn't the path that his dad wanted him to go down.
[00:25:51]  I don't think immigrants want their Kids going into the house.
[00:25:53]  And apparently, he didn't even speak to his dad for a couple years because of it.
[00:25:56]  And they, you know, mended fences together and, you know, emotional coming back together.
[00:26:02]  And in this, you know, his life's work, this big piece de resistance, he made the eyes a reference to his father.
[00:26:10]  And the color was fairly arbitrary.
[00:26:12]  It was just that the eyes were going to be neon eyes as an homage.
[00:26:16]  Looks awesome.
[00:26:17]  So, works for me.
[00:26:18]  Yeah.
[00:26:19]  So, all the stuff about it being some sort of evil thing, if you really take a close look, there's explanations from the artists, from the.
[00:26:28]  This is why you get paid the big bucks, Dan.
[00:26:29]  It's true.
[00:26:30]  I love it.
[00:26:31]  What else do you want me to ruin?
[00:26:32]  No, I mean, that's, yeah.
[00:26:34]  This is great, though.
[00:26:35]  I like this information.
[00:26:36]  Sure.
[00:26:37]  It is really interesting to look into stuff like this, and I don't know why conspiracy theorists don't consider the source.
[00:26:42]  You know what I mean?
[00:26:43]  Like, it's very simple to.
[00:26:46]  Well, I mean, that's what kind of has gotten me a little bit out of the conspiracy theory world is because I learned through the election to kind of, hey, you've got to check the source.
[00:26:54]  And it's like, oh, okay.
[00:26:56]  It's less fun.
[00:26:57]  It really is.
[00:26:58]  It really is less fun.
[00:26:59]  So, also, another thing that people bring up is that there's a lot of gargoyles around.
[00:27:03]  Yeah.
[00:27:04]  And this one's real simple.
[00:27:05]  Okay.
[00:27:06]  Gargoyles are traditional decorations.
[00:27:08]  Yeah, we've got them in buildings here in Chicago.
[00:27:09]  Absolutely.
[00:27:10]  My old apartment complex had them that you just didn't even notice that were there.
[00:27:14]  They're all over the place.
[00:27:15]  They are traditional architecture.
[00:27:18]  And if you really look at the gargoyles in the Denver airport, it's a joke.
[00:27:23]  They're jumping out of suitcases.
[00:27:25]  It's not like.
[00:27:26]  Oh, wow.
[00:27:27]  It's cute decoration.
[00:27:28]  They're in suitcases and popping out kind of like.
[00:27:32]  Okay.
[00:27:32]  Yeah, that to me is like.
[00:27:34]  Yeah, I remember seeing that and being like, that can't be.
[00:27:36]  That's crazy.
[00:27:37]  Crazy that someone would think, like, oh my god, this is evil.
[00:27:40]  It's a goof.
[00:27:41]  It's a joke.
[00:27:43]  So, uh, yeah.
[00:27:44]  Uh, those gargoyles on the old buildings were just to kind of like ward off bad evil spirits.
[00:27:49]  Evil spirits.
[00:27:50]  Yeah, that was sort of the idea of them initially, but, you know, thankfully society's progressed to the point where we don't really believe in evil spirits.
[00:27:57]  Oh, wait, we still do.
[00:27:57]  So, where do you want to go next, Marty?
[00:28:02]  There's a whole lot of ground to cover.
[00:28:04]  Just walk me through it.
[00:28:06]  I'm on the journey.
[00:28:07]  Okay.
[00:28:07]  So, uh, what do you think about the idea that?
[00:28:11]  The runways are laid out in a swastika.
[00:28:14]  I've seen the photos.
[00:28:15]  Uh huh.
[00:28:16]  That one has never really made me be like, oh.
[00:28:20]  Oh, you don't?
[00:28:21]  Nah, I'm not buying that one.
[00:28:22]  Oh, because that's the only real one.
[00:28:23]  Oh, no.
[00:28:24]  It definitely is a Nazi airport.
[00:28:26]  Oh, no.
[00:28:27]  I see that and I go, oh, what are the odds?
[00:28:29]  Also, the Nazi logo, whatever, logo, whatever you want to call it.
[00:28:34]  I mean, just in the.
[00:28:36]  I mean, you could take a photo of the city of Chicago and I could be like, oh, look, there it is right there.
[00:28:39]  The streets.
[00:28:40]  Yeah.
[00:28:40]  They make a Nazi sound.
[00:28:42]  Yeah, that is true.
[00:28:43]  I mean, but it does.
[00:28:44]  You know, it does look like it.
[00:28:46]  There are.
[00:28:47]  Well, who would have been responsible for that?
[00:28:49]  There are vertical and horizontal lines that connect in such a way with the body of the airport to make it look fucked up.
[00:28:57]  But the problem I have with it is if you look at the design, if you look at the layout of the airport, the north and south, the north south runways, there's four of them.
[00:29:07]  Yes.
[00:29:08]  So there's two up here in one leg of the swastika and two down here in the other leg of the swastika.
[00:29:13]  Then on the east west ones, there's one each for each leg.
[00:29:17]  And I'm thinking.
[00:29:18]  If I'm trying to make a swastika, and this is some sort of Nazi iconography, I'm probably going to just add superfluous east west runways in order to make it 4444 as opposed to 4422.
[00:29:33]  It doesn't make sense.
[00:29:34]  Yeah.
[00:29:34]  So that's kind of a bummer for me.
[00:29:36]  Okay.
[00:29:37]  That's honestly, I remember seeing a photo and then somebody using their, like, you know, like a red Photoshop thing to be like, there it is right there.
[00:29:44]  And I'm like, nah.
[00:29:45]  Well, the, the, that's, cause that reminds me of also being like, oop, there's a triangle.
[00:29:49]  Oop.
[00:29:49]  Illuminati, there's a triangle.
[00:29:50]  It's like seeing whatever you want in the clouds.
[00:29:52]  Yeah, really.
[00:29:53]  That sort of game.
[00:29:53]  But it is, I looked up all the major airports in America, their runways, and there are no other runways that I could find that looked like a swastika.
[00:30:03]  And one of the things you could say is, well, this was built after a lot of those airports, so maybe they had some other ideas in mind.
[00:30:09]  They were trying to optimize, like, trying to minimize congestion.
[00:30:14]  Also.
[00:30:15]  For the runways.
[00:30:16]  And fucking Denver is a weird city weather wise.
[00:30:19]  Yeah.
[00:30:20]  It is much more elevated than most cities in America, and they have bizarre wind and weather conditions.
[00:30:26]  So the idea of having.
[00:30:29]  Runways that can go off in any of the four cardinal directions is really advantageous to them.
[00:30:35]  It's not a situation that you really need in a lot of other cities that aren't a mile high.
[00:30:41]  So, that explanation to me is plenty.
[00:30:45]  This is one I'm not going to fight.
[00:30:47]  Well, I want you to tell me ones that you are into then.
[00:30:50]  If you're not into the Nazi swastika, then what are your big things with the Denver airport?
[00:31:00]  Sure.
[00:31:01]  Which that, I mean, the murals in the Jefferson Terminal.
[00:31:04]  The murals are so weird.
[00:31:06]  Yeah, they're weird.
[00:31:08]  I mean, what are they doing there?
[00:31:10]  And then also the idea of what's going on underneath this airport?
[00:31:17]  I'm glad that these are the two things that you brought up because these two are like, they're crazy when you really look into them.
[00:31:24]  Like to me, there's a lot.
[00:31:28]  I mean, you know, okay, we got blue spur.
[00:31:30]  These are nice, this is nice, like appetizers.
[00:31:33]  Yeah.
[00:31:34]  Hey, you know, the runway is straight up like a swastika.
[00:31:35]  Oh, well, okay.
[00:31:36]  But then it's kind of like, yeah, okay, whatever.
[00:31:38]  But then when you get in there, you've got the murals.
[00:31:42]  Yep.
[00:31:42]  Which, I mean, I saw them.
[00:31:45]  I don't know why I didn't take photos.
[00:31:46]  Maybe I have an old phone that's got a bunch of them.
[00:31:48]  They're all over the internet.
[00:31:49]  You don't need to take pictures of them.
[00:31:50]  No, but like I could have taken one with me there.
[00:31:52]  But there's a thing.
[00:31:54]  Okay, there's.
[00:31:54]  So it's a four part mural.
[00:31:56]  There's, yeah.
[00:31:57]  There's multiple things.
[00:32:00]  And I don't know if I talked to you about this.
[00:32:03]  In my hometown, Sherville, Indiana, the cemetery where my mom and sister are buried.
[00:32:08]  There's these grottles, and they've got one with the story of Jonah and the whale.
[00:32:16]  And they've got one where.
[00:32:17]  Jonah Jerkins and the whale?
[00:32:18]  Jonah Jerkins and the whale.
[00:32:19]  Your roommate?
[00:32:19]  Yeah.
[00:32:20]  And then they have one of Jesus getting in his last prey before he turned himself into Pontius Pilate.
[00:32:26]  And then they have the Stations of the Cross.
[00:32:27]  It's a good way to put it.
[00:32:28]  Getting his last prey in.
[00:32:29]  Getting his last prey in.
[00:32:30]  His cheat prey.
[00:32:31]  Sure.
[00:32:32]  But I remember you look in that, and it's these caves, and they're very scary.
[00:32:37]  And I remember as a kid being like, oh my God.
[00:32:40]  And.
[00:32:41]  Uh, Sarah and I were passing through town and I go, you gotta see this.
[00:32:44]  And we went there and she was like freaked out too.
[00:32:45]  She's like, this is crazy.
[00:32:46]  Um, I think I have it on my phone.
[00:32:47]  I can show you maybe.
[00:32:48]  Well, but anyway.
[00:32:50]  But it's just art.
[00:32:51]  Yeah, it's art, but it scares.
[00:32:53]  It's scary.
[00:32:54]  Art as a way of eliciting different things and different people.
[00:32:58]  And, and I will say the difference is, you know, you see Lucifer and you're like, whoo, this is something.
[00:33:02]  I'm seeing something here.
[00:33:04]  But then you see those murals and you're like, oh, this is really weird.
[00:33:08]  That's the difference.
[00:33:08]  Yeah, it is pretty weird.
[00:33:10]  So, uh, A lot of people believe that the Denver airport set up those murals and that they wanted those murals to be there.
[00:33:20]  And again, are we getting back to this idea of trolling?
[00:33:23]  No.
[00:33:25]  Not a chance.
[00:33:26]  Okay, okay.
[00:33:26]  Because this is also back in like 1993.
[00:33:28]  All right.

=== Denver Airport Murals (15:17) ===

[00:33:29]  So the art that was commissioned for the airport was chosen by citizen panels.
[00:33:33]  Real quick, is all this commissioned art.
[00:33:36]  Does this happen at other airports?
[00:33:38]  Some.
[00:33:39]  But Denver airport was designed to be a new kind of airport.
[00:33:43]  Okay.
[00:33:45]  It was designed to, the conception of it was to be very inclusive of local populations.
[00:33:52]  Okay.
[00:33:52]  Like a lot of Chicano art.
[00:33:54]  The guy who designed those murals that we're going to talk about was a famous Chicano.
[00:33:59]  I don't know if he's famous, but he was a very prominent Chicano muralist in Denver at the time.
[00:34:06]  And so, no, I don't think a lot of airports have as much focus on art and on making the airport different.
[00:34:13]  And they spent fucking tons of money trying to do that.
[00:34:17]  Like, to the extent that they were like a couple billion dollars over budget when all was said and done and the airport was completed.
[00:34:24]  A lot of people believe that that means that there's shit underground.
[00:34:28]  And the reality of that is that, I mean, look at it.
[00:34:31]  The airport's huge.
[00:34:32]  Yeah.
[00:34:33]  And they had a $700 million automatic baggage return system that they tried to build.
[00:34:38]  $700 million and it didn't work.
[00:34:41]  So they completely blew $700 million on just that one thing.
[00:34:45]  Oh, fuck you.
[00:34:46]  It's weird.
[00:34:47]  I wonder where all that money went.
[00:34:48]  It went to the failed system.
[00:34:50]  You can, you can see that system.
[00:34:53]  Sure.
[00:34:53]  All right, whatever.
[00:34:54]  Sure.
[00:34:54]  Do you have a receipt?
[00:34:55]  I do.
[00:34:55]  Yeah, you got a receipt for me?
[00:34:56]  I need a receipt.
[00:34:57]  I have a carbon copy.
[00:34:58]  I need to see a receipt.
[00:34:59]  Um, so, yeah, and it was a huge investment, but for all, all accounts seem to indicate that it was worth it.
[00:35:06]  Like, it paid off.
[00:35:07]  It was a good, you know, it's a good airport.
[00:35:09]  It, uh, has certainly less delays.
[00:35:11]  I've been saying it's a good airport.
[00:35:11]  Has less delays than fucking O'Hare, that's for sure.
[00:35:15]  Um, so the guy who designed the, uh, murals is a guy named Leo Tanguma.
[00:35:20]  Uh, and like I said, the civilian panel chose the artists that they wanted to do the designs.
[00:35:28]  Yeah.
[00:35:28]  Uh, the Denver International Airport Uh, let the community decide, and then they paid for commissioning the art.
[00:35:34]  It's interesting now that you say that it was, it was a Hispanic artist.
[00:35:39]  Now, as I look at these, I'm a little bit like, oh, yeah, okay, it has that flavor to it.
[00:35:44]  Well, it has the style of a lot of the, uh, Hispanic, uh, street art where the kids are kind of cartoonish, bright colors, and things like that.
[00:35:52]  I think they look great, quite frankly.
[00:35:54]  I see a couple of the homies in there from the old vending machines.
[00:35:57]  Oh boy.
[00:35:58]  So in 1993, Tanguma got a $100,000 commission from the Denver International Airport.
[00:36:04]  Initially, it was just for one mural, but as he started painting, he decided to do more.
[00:36:09]  Quote, I wanted it to live up to how I felt about Denver, for the opportunity, he said.
[00:36:14]  He insists he was given no guidelines for what to paint, and it took him three years to finish the work.
[00:36:19]  Quote, I tried to paint according to my conscience because I told the committee I tried not to paint just for decoration.
[00:36:25]  It has to have a meaning.
[00:36:27]  All right, I need to know some of the meanings of these paintings.
[00:36:29]  Because there's a couple as I'm looking at them, I'm like, oh yeah, that was weird.
[00:36:35]  Well, I mean,.
[00:36:36]  Quite frankly, the meaning is very simple.
[00:36:39]  People are just looking at them out of order.
[00:36:41]  Okay.
[00:36:41]  That's really what's going on.
[00:36:43]  All right.
[00:36:43]  Take me through them.
[00:36:44]  I mean, the name of the two paintings is Children Dream of the End of War, basically.
[00:36:50]  Yeah.
[00:36:51]  And so what you have is a bunch of children who appear dead in war who are sleeping and they dream of the world of peace.
[00:37:00]  So the one with the big Nazi guy killing.
[00:37:03]  The big green guy?
[00:37:04]  Yeah.
[00:37:04]  The big sword and the.
[00:37:06]  Killing a dove.
[00:37:07]  A dove of peace.
[00:37:08]  That is the realities of war in this terrible world that we live in.
[00:37:13]  And the children are dreaming of a possible world we could live in where everyone's getting along, turning your weapons into plowshears, all of the countries coming together and getting rid of their weapons and everybody lives happily, protecting nature.
[00:37:29]  So the quote that he had this is from back in 1994.
[00:37:32]  Leo Tanguma was working in his studio at the Lakeside Mall when a van full of people pulled up.
[00:37:37]  They weren't hostile, he recalls.
[00:37:39]  They asked a lot of questions.
[00:37:41]  They wanted to know all the different symbols in the murals that he had commissioned to make for the still unopened Denver International Airport.
[00:37:47]  And I explained it like I explain it to everybody, the artist said.
[00:37:50]  The first part of the environmental mural is about the ways that humans destroy nature and themselves through destruction and genocide.
[00:37:57]  The second part is about humanity coming together to rehabilitate nature and revive their own compassion.
[00:38:03]  So that's a pretty simple explanation of it.
[00:38:05]  And then he goes on to talk about the actual children that are in the murals.
[00:38:10]  This is my daughter's friend, he says, pointing to the children's faces.
[00:38:14]  That's my niece.
[00:38:15]  Here's my other niece.
[00:38:15]  That's my granddaughter, Sandiana.
[00:38:18]  This is my other granddaughter.
[00:38:19]  Other faces belong to friends of the family, neighbors, relatives.
[00:38:22]  Some were victims of gang violence.
[00:38:24]  Quote, this little boy was at the zoo with his parents.
[00:38:27]  At the zoo.
[00:38:28]  And somebody was having a war in the neighborhood, and one of those bullets came in the air and paralyzed him, Taguma says.
[00:38:33]  It took him one year to die.
[00:38:35]  So when I met the parents, I went to their home, and they gave me his photographs.
[00:38:40]  So he tried to incorporate a bunch of people who had been victims of crimes, and then in addition to that, people from his family into the paintings in order to give it a sort of living feel.
[00:38:53]  The children represent a wide assortment of nationalities Panama, Brazil, Greece, Arabia, Sweden, Czech Republic.
[00:38:59]  The mural is about kids dreaming of a world without violence, he explains, with the dream turning into a rainbow that leads to children of all nations putting down their weapons and beating swords into plowshares.
[00:39:09]  The soldier in the mural could be any soldier.
[00:39:12]  Quote, that's why I put a mask on him, Tenguma explains.
[00:39:15]  I didn't want to make him white or black.
[00:39:17]  I wanted to make him villainous and give that aspect of something vile, something real, and something mean.
[00:39:23]  So that's why there's, there, it looks sort of alien and what have you.
[00:39:27]  He doesn't want it to really, uh, you know, be any human group.
[00:39:33]  That could be, you know, scapegoated into that.
[00:39:36]  It looks kind of like a future Nazi, though.
[00:39:38]  There's no doubt about that.
[00:39:40]  A lot of people who believe sort of nefarious things about it look at the Nazi soldier killing peace as the end of the mural.
[00:39:50]  Yeah.
[00:39:51]  Like putting an end to it.
[00:39:52]  Well, that's the story's end.
[00:39:54]  There's peace and all this.
[00:39:56]  Everybody comes together, beats their weapons into plowshares, and then the Nazis take over.
[00:40:01]  They think of it as like some sort of.
[00:40:03]  Prediction.
[00:40:04]  It's some sort of like.
[00:40:05]  Like, we'll get lulled into this sense of security, then the Nazis will really come back.
[00:40:08]  The UN comes in, we have universal peace, and that's all just a setup, because the globalists are all trying to bring us down anyway.
[00:40:16]  The globalists.
[00:40:17]  They're all just trying to lull us, right, into that false sense of security when we'll be easy pickings for these evil forces.
[00:40:23]  I guess.
[00:40:24]  And that's just looking at it out of order.
[00:40:25]  That's not the artist's intent.
[00:40:27]  Yeah.
[00:40:28]  But if you want to look at it that way, that's fine.
[00:40:29]  It says more about you than the artist.
[00:40:31]  Oh, it does say a lot about me.
[00:40:32]  Well, I'm not putting that on you necessarily, but.
[00:40:36]  It's really fascinating to me, this idea that art is so evocative to different people, different things.
[00:40:42]  And I think that people who look at it and see something evil want to see that.
[00:40:46]  Right.
[00:40:46]  But also, too, it's just weird to see that at an airport.
[00:40:52]  Totally.
[00:40:52]  If you and I go on a trip and we're in Denver and we're in the cool part of the city and those are murals all over the place, we go, oh, this is wild.
[00:41:01]  But if you're in an airport, it just doesn't feel like it should be in the airport.
[00:41:05]  And it's before weed was legal, too.
[00:41:07]  Yeah.
[00:41:08]  So I can't even blame that one on weed.
[00:41:10]  But it is just interesting of being like, oh, that's what we're going to put up.
[00:41:14]  Okay.
[00:41:14]  Well, like I said, Leon Tenguma was a notable artist of a large minority population in the city.
[00:41:22]  Yeah.
[00:41:22]  He had influential work all over the place in prisons and schools.
[00:41:26]  And so he was someone who was of note in the community as an artist.
[00:41:31]  And the people who ran the airport commissioning artwork, like I said, they allowed the people to decide what artists would be showcased.
[00:41:39]  And they chose him.
[00:41:41]  The citizens chose him.
[00:41:42]  They didn't know he was going to draw that shit.
[00:41:44]  To me, I kind of wonder if there's anything where the Denver Report is like, oh, yeah, we can't put that in.
[00:41:47]  That's something we can't put in.
[00:41:49]  I don't know.
[00:41:49]  It seems like he has total freedom because, I mean, in that one portion of it that shows war and that, there are, like, dead children.
[00:41:59]  There's a letter of a kid who is in Auschwitz.
[00:42:01]  Yeah.
[00:42:02]  Like, there's a lot of really fucked up stuff in there, but art is supposed to be challenging, Marty.
[00:42:07]  Is there a nickname?
[00:42:08]  Do people kind of call this the New World Airport?
[00:42:11]  Well, we'll get to that in a moment.
[00:42:12]  Okay.
[00:42:13]  That has to do with something else altogether.
[00:42:15]  Okay.
[00:42:16]  I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here.
[00:42:18]  No.
[00:42:19]  I mean, it's not totally.
[00:42:21]  Okay.
[00:42:23]  I really, it bums me out that people have this sort of opinion about the murals.
[00:42:31]  Yeah.
[00:42:31]  Because I agree with you.
[00:42:34]  It's weird.
[00:42:34]  Yeah.
[00:42:35]  But if you listen to Mr. Tenguma and understand what his intentions were, it makes total sense.
[00:42:43]  Maybe a placard that kind of explains this thing?
[00:42:45]  He goes there sometimes and explains it to people.
[00:42:48]  All right.
[00:42:48]  He stands there and tells people, he gives lectures sometimes.
[00:42:52]  And, like, he's just a guy.
[00:42:53]  Who would never make some sort of a mural about Nazis taking over and shit like that?
[00:42:58]  That's not his deal.
[00:42:59]  He has a really long entire life story, basically, that has to do with social justice through artistic expression.
[00:43:08]  Listen to this.
[00:43:09]  So, Leon Tenguma grew up in a small town in Texas where Latinos were in the minority.
[00:43:14]  He created his first mural when he was in the fifth grade, and the local sheriff shot and killed three of his cousins in a questionable incident.
[00:43:21]  He got up and went to the blackboard to draw what he liked to draw horses, lions, and tigers.
[00:43:26]  But, quote, but this kid, somebody, said, draw me killing the sheriff, when we were totally helpless in those days.
[00:43:33]  So he drew the kid stabbing the sheriff, and the teacher walked in.
[00:43:36]  He got a few licks for this depiction that he made.
[00:43:39]  But somebody asked me to do that art, he remembers, and in my life I always felt that the community needed somebody to express its feelings.
[00:43:46]  So if you take that sort of ethos and you apply it to the murals at the Denver airport, what they're saying is that he's trying to express This underlying feeling that I think everybody has that this war shit is not going to work out.
[00:44:02]  It's going to lead to everybody dying.
[00:44:04]  It's going to lead to tons of pain and horrible alien Nazis taking over.
[00:44:10]  Whereas we could have a peaceful world where we have crazy plants and everybody beats weapons into more useful objects and extinct species aren't extinct anymore.
[00:44:20]  There is a real utopia that we could create altogether if we really wanted to.
[00:44:25]  And it doesn't appear we want to.
[00:44:27]  We want to look at art.
[00:44:28]  That is aspirational towards that and think it is evil.
[00:44:34]  It's a bummer.
[00:44:34]  Well, I'm glad I know the difference now.
[00:44:37]  But it's still weird.
[00:44:38]  Next time I'm there, I'll hopefully look at it.
[00:44:40]  And it's huge.
[00:44:41]  It's huge.
[00:44:43]  It's impressive.
[00:44:44]  It's weird that he only got paid $100,000 and the fucking sculptor guy got three.
[00:44:48]  It's crazy.
[00:44:49]  Well, he got to live too, though.
[00:44:51]  That's fair.
[00:44:52]  There's no cost for that.
[00:44:53]  None of them fell on him.
[00:44:54]  No price on living.
[00:44:55]  A bunch of people had speculated that he had disappeared after he made the stuff.
[00:45:00]  Oh, that's fun.
[00:45:01]  He lived in.
[00:45:03]  That's him right now.
[00:45:04]  He lived in Denver throughout.
[00:45:05]  He never left.
[00:45:06]  Has anyone ever tried to deface these pieces of art?
[00:45:12]  I don't know.
[00:45:12]  I don't think so.
[00:45:14]  I think they have pretty good security at airports.
[00:45:16]  Yeah.
[00:45:16]  Generally.
[00:45:17]  I've heard.
[00:45:17]  Yeah.
[00:45:18]  So you were asking about the New World Airport.
[00:45:21]  Yeah, because when I looked at some of the photos, there was a caption of New World Airport.
[00:45:26]  This goes to one of everybody's favorite little conspiracies about the airport, and that is that there is a time capsule.
[00:45:34]  And there's a stone, dedication stone, that has a Masonic symbol on it, and it says it's dedicated by the New World Airport Association.
[00:45:43]  Now, this gets everybody all up in a tizzy.
[00:45:47]  Ooh, yeah.
[00:45:48]  I like where this is going.
[00:45:49]  Creams panties and gets dicks hard.
[00:45:51]  I like where this is going.
[00:45:52]  You're not going to like where it's going because it's so easy to explain.
[00:45:56]  Lay it on me, Dan.
[00:45:57]  Uh, so first of all, there's a Masonic symbol there because the Masons are a very big fraternal organization.
[00:46:02]  They're very big, uh, in charitable and civic causes.
[00:46:05]  Yes.
[00:46:05]  Uh, also, where do the Masons come from?
[00:46:08]  They come from, like, stone masons.
[00:46:11]  So there's a stone there that was commissioned by the local Masonic order.
[00:46:15]  And of course they're going to throw their logo on it.
[00:46:17]  Yeah, of course.
[00:46:17]  Why wouldn't they?
[00:46:18]  Yeah, it's sort of like branding of their stone or what have you.
[00:46:21]  So that part is, that's silly.
[00:46:23]  There's no reason to automatically assume that the Masons having their symbol on a stone is some sort of an evil thing.
[00:46:31]  Okay.
[00:46:31]  And then, this is fun.
[00:46:33]  This one's real fun.
[00:46:34]  The New World Airport Association.
[00:46:37]  Sounds spooky.
[00:46:38]  Does.
[00:46:38]  New World Order.
[00:46:39]  Yeah.
[00:46:40]  Oh my God.
[00:46:41]  What is it?
[00:46:42]  What do you think it is?
[00:46:43]  Well, I would think that the reason why they called it, if I'm putting my conspiracy theory hat on, is by the time we crack that capsule open, the New World Order will have taken over.
[00:46:52]  Interesting.
[00:46:53]  And the New World Airport.
[00:46:54]  You know, it was kind of that wing of the New World Order.
[00:46:57]  Do you want to know what's in the time capsule?
[00:46:58]  And this is going to be their main hub of operations.
[00:47:01]  Do you want to know what's in the time capsule?
[00:47:02]  Because it's not secret information.
[00:47:05]  I'm going to say it's a John Elway starting lineup figure.
[00:47:08]  I'm going to say it's a, let's see, I don't know, I can't think of anything else.
[00:47:16]  Denver State.
[00:47:17]  There's a bunch of coins.
[00:47:18]  There is a signed opening day ball from Coors Field.
[00:47:21]  Okay.
[00:47:22]  It's a baseball stadium.
[00:47:23]  At the time, there was the mayor, Webb, they have his sneakers.
[00:47:29]  In there.
[00:47:29]  Okay.
[00:47:30]  And some Black Hawk Casino tokens.
[00:47:32]  Oh, okay.
[00:47:33]  That's what's in the time capsule.
[00:47:34]  Real evil.
[00:47:35]  Not real sexy.
[00:47:35]  No.
[00:47:36]  So the New World Airport Association, or the Airport Commission, as it were, was named after the New World Symphony.
[00:47:44]  It was because there was a guy named Charles Ansbacher who was into symphony conducting.
[00:47:52]  He went on to conduct the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and he was in charge of this New World Airport Commission.
[00:48:01]  Okay.
[00:48:02]  It was the first airport that was built in America for a really long time.
[00:48:06]  And so they conceived of like these new airports.
[00:48:09]  That's where the terminology comes from, along with the New World Symphony, which is a big symphony that he was a big fan of.
[00:48:16]  The New World Airport Commission was created just for the dedication of the Denver airport and has done nothing since.
[00:48:25]  It was an organization that was invented and came together to put together the celebration of the opening of this airport and then immediately disbanded.
[00:48:34]  Hmm.
[00:48:35]  And a lot of people have had some really fucked up ideas about it because it's called the New World, uh, Airport Commission.
[00:48:41]  Yeah, those are sexy words in this world.
[00:48:43]  Charles Arnbacher was the co chair of it.

=== New World Airport Commission (15:30) ===

[00:48:46]  And mysteriously, until this article that I read, uh, about it, he says that no one has thought to contact him about it.
[00:48:53]  Oh, okay.
[00:48:53]  No one has bothered to contact Charles Arnbacher, now the conductor of the Boston Landmarks Orchestra, which gives free classical concerts at public landmarks around the Boston area.
[00:49:03]  But as the co chair of the now defunct New World Airport Commission, which orchestrated Denver International Airport's opening festivities, Ansbacher would be a prime candidate for the conspiracist's Illuminati puppet master.
[00:49:14]  Back in the 90s, the longtime arts advocate was living in Denver and working as an aesthetic policy design advisor for the Denver International Airport when he decided to start a not-for-profit organization that would help promote the new airport to the people of Denver and enlisted big-name corporate and civic names to serve on the board.
[00:49:32]  Ansbacher can't quite remember how he came up with the name for the organization, but he guesses that it might have come from Dvorak's New World Symphony.
[00:49:39]  The New World Airport Commission name emphasized that Denver International Airport was the newest airport in the world and the first new airport built in this country since Dallas Fort Worth in 1973.
[00:49:50]  So that's like 15, 17 years.
[00:49:52]  It did not symbolize that Denver International Airport was a monument to the New World Order.
[00:49:56]  Quote, The idea that there is anything secretive about this is totally preposterous, Ansbacher says.
[00:50:02]  The group's main function was to plan both the air show and the public gala in 1993, which went on despite the fact that the airport was delayed.
[00:50:12]  He was there the day the capstone, which is also a time capsule, was dedicated.
[00:50:16]  The Masonic symbol was placed on the stone because it was provided by a local Masonic lodge.
[00:50:20]  Quote, one of the remaining things they do is provide time capsules.
[00:50:24]  He pointed out.
[00:50:26]  Nothing evil there at all.
[00:50:27]  All right.
[00:50:28]  Nothing.
[00:50:29]  Nothing.
[00:50:30]  It seems weird though, again, like the Masonic symbol is something you associate with secret organizations.
[00:50:36]  The name New World Airport Commission is spooky.
[00:50:39]  Yeah, I think, I think, uh, what's happening Here, or what seems to be happening here is, uh, conspiracy theorists are sort of reverse engineering some theories into this.
[00:50:48]  And it's like, like, I mean, I definitely, I that's just like me saying, like, yeah, that Nike logo, man, that's bad.
[00:50:55]  And they're like, look where it is, it's everywhere.
[00:50:57]  And it's like, well, that's their logo, right?
[00:50:58]  Of course, they're going to put it on all their shoes, or the monster energy is just 666.
[00:51:02]  Well, that clearly is 666.
[00:51:03]  That's 666, my man.
[00:51:04]  Yeah, that's like Hebrew 666.
[00:51:06]  Yeah, um, but, uh, or and then, yeah, and then there's this guy going, yeah, no one's contacted me.
[00:51:12]  I could.
[00:51:12]  Clear this up, no problem.
[00:51:13]  I know everything about it.
[00:51:14]  I was there for everything.
[00:51:15]  Shit.
[00:51:15]  Yeah, and the stuff in the.
[00:51:18]  If I'm some fucking evil mastermind who made this Illuminati fucking airport whole thing go down, why have I just been living as a public free concert orchestra guy in Boston for years?
[00:51:33]  It's his cover.
[00:51:34]  It's good cover.
[00:51:35]  See, that's the thing that's fun about conspiracy stuff.
[00:51:37]  There's always that.
[00:51:38]  There's always another answer and there's always another reason.
[00:51:40]  Oh, obviously it's cover.
[00:51:41]  Yeah, of course.
[00:51:42]  Deep cover.
[00:51:42]  Of course, that's what they said.
[00:51:44]  Now.
[00:51:45]  We've saved what may be the most fun for possibly last.
[00:51:50]  Because there aren't a whole lot more conspiracies about the Denver airport.
[00:51:54]  But the big one is probably that there is a big underground base underneath it.
[00:52:01]  And that there are tunnels that lead all over to the NORAD base, to Space Command in Colorado Springs, and to the Dulcie base in New Mexico.
[00:52:13]  Yes.
[00:52:15]  I don't know how to tell you this.
[00:52:17]  But this is one of the biggest crocks of shit in the world.
[00:52:19]  Whoa!
[00:52:21]  Are you serious?
[00:52:22]  Yeah, man.
[00:52:23]  You know where it all started?
[00:52:25]  It's actually really fascinating how this all got going.
[00:52:28]  Am I wrong to think Art Bell used to talk about this quite a bit?
[00:52:30]  Totally.
[00:52:30]  Okay.
[00:52:30]  I don't know if Art Bell did, but I know George Noory did.
[00:52:33]  Okay.
[00:52:33]  Because I think it might be after Art Bell's time on Coast to Coast AM.
[00:52:37]  Because Art Bell retired to Colorado, correct?
[00:52:41]  No, he retired to the Philippines.
[00:52:42]  Oh, okay.
[00:52:43]  He went overseas.
[00:52:44]  Okay.
[00:52:45]  He was off the grid for a few years.
[00:52:46]  So cool.
[00:52:47]  But he was also really sick, it turns out.
[00:52:49]  He was.
[00:52:50]  But here's a quote from David Icke, Lizard Man David Icke.
[00:52:55]  He says, quote, Denver is scheduled to be the Western headquarters of the U.S. New World Order during martial law takeover.
[00:53:02]  David Icke wrote in his 1999 book, The Biggest Secret, quote, Other contacts who have been underground at the Denver airport claim that there are a large number of human slaves, many of them children, working there under the control of the reptilians.
[00:53:17]  So that's, I mean, David Icke is a credible source.
[00:53:20]  We can really, you know, take the things he says.
[00:53:22]  But that was from.
[00:53:23]  He's been right about everything so far.
[00:53:24]  Literally everything.
[00:53:26]  Especially saying that he's Jesus on British television.
[00:53:31]  So that is from 1999.
[00:53:34]  All right.
[00:53:34]  That's not the beginning of it.
[00:53:36]  No.
[00:53:37]  What happened was in 1995 or so, around that time, a little bit before maybe 94, this is where it all comes together for the Denver airport.
[00:53:51]  It's still not really, the construction hadn't been completed.
[00:53:56]  And a bunch of theories started to circulate about underground floors and a military base.
[00:54:01]  And it mostly comes from a lady named Alice Christopher.
[00:54:05]  She claims.
[00:54:06]  That she got access and went four floors down underneath the Denver International Airport.
[00:54:13]  She also said that after that, she got a friend of hers, a fellow conspiracy theorist by the name of Phil Schneider, and they went underneath.
[00:54:21]  And that is where everything comes from.
[00:54:24]  She went on some weirdo radio show that I can't remember the name of and gave an interview about it.
[00:54:29]  It was Love Line.
[00:54:32]  This was in the poor man days.
[00:54:33]  All right, baby girl.
[00:54:34]  So tell us again about Denver Airport.
[00:54:37]  Hey.
[00:54:39]  I can't even remember any of Adam Curl's little catchphrases.
[00:54:41]  Yeah.
[00:54:42]  Mahalo.
[00:54:43]  Oh, that's the end.
[00:54:45]  So she went on and she said that she went down there and that there was a bunch of weird stuff down there.
[00:54:50]  And that's where it all sprung from.
[00:54:53]  Okay.
[00:54:54]  Now it's fascinating because if you look a little bit further into this, she went down there with this guy named Phil Schneider.
[00:55:00]  People should know at home listening.
[00:55:01]  Dan is getting so excited to lay this on me right now.
[00:55:04]  So, like I said, Phil Schneider is the guy that she went down there with.
[00:55:07]  Yes.
[00:55:08]  He becomes this guy.
[00:55:10]  Who goes out, and you can still find his speeches on YouTube.
[00:55:14]  He goes out and he starts talking about how he's a survivor of a firefight with aliens at the Dulcie base.
[00:55:21]  He has missing fingers and he has a scar on his chest from what he claims was a laser fight with aliens underneath a military base in New Mexico.
[00:55:32]  Okay, or he watched V the miniseries.
[00:55:35]  Either way.
[00:55:36]  This predates that.
[00:55:37]  Oh, okay.
[00:55:37]  I think.
[00:55:37]  No, no.
[00:55:38]  No, not the old one.
[00:55:38]  This was in the 80s.
[00:55:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:55:39]  Excuse me.
[00:55:40]  And oh, was it bad?
[00:55:41]  It doesn't hold up.
[00:55:42]  He's crazy.
[00:55:43]  And he gives these speeches, and he says that he was a survivor.
[00:55:47]  I just imagine him being like, if I'm a liar, explain this.
[00:55:50]  And he rips, and you hear the buttons flying.
[00:55:51]  More or less.
[00:55:52]  You're pretty close.
[00:55:53]  Hell yeah.
[00:55:54]  So he gives these speeches, and then he commits suicide in 1996.
[00:55:57]  Alright.
[00:55:59]  And his widow started to spread stories that it was not a suicide.
[00:56:04]  He was murdered.
[00:56:05]  He choked himself out with plastical surgical tubing.
[00:56:09]  Okay.
[00:56:10]  And she claimed that he was killed with piano wire, and that it was a murder.
[00:56:14]  But get this.
[00:56:16]  None of that information about it being a murder comes from any official source, doesn't come from any information that she has.
[00:56:22]  She had a prophetic vision about it.
[00:56:25]  That's where it comes from, that this is a murder.
[00:56:27]  Most people don't realize that that's what the source of the idea that he was murdered comes from, and so they just accept it.
[00:56:34]  They're like, Phil Schneider came out, started talking about this alien shit, then they had to kill him off, make it look like a suicide.
[00:56:40]  This is the story that happens over and over again.
[00:56:43]  Hillary Clinton has been the victim of this for all.
[00:56:46]  All of her life.
[00:56:47]  Yeah.
[00:56:47]  All of these like, oh, these suicides that are, no, it was really a murder.
[00:56:51]  She really killed these people.
[00:56:52]  This is another one.
[00:56:53]  I mean, this one isn't Hillary.
[00:56:55]  Right.
[00:56:55]  But it's just the same thing.
[00:56:57]  This guy was a lunatic and he ended up killing himself.
[00:57:01]  My firm belief from all the research that I've done is that he is mentally unwell.
[00:57:06]  That's what I'm getting.
[00:57:07]  There is evidence that he had a mental health disability and had been on social security for years.
[00:57:13]  Uh huh.
[00:57:14]  Uh, there is no evidence that he ever worked for the government.
[00:57:17]  He claims to be a geologist.
[00:57:19]  There's no evidence of that.
[00:57:20]  Okay.
[00:57:21]  He, I believe, got roped into some stuff.
[00:57:25]  He read some books that predated his lectures.
[00:57:29]  Yeah.
[00:57:29]  Because there's a guy named Bob Lazar who had written a book about underground bases and aliens and stuff like that.
[00:57:36]  All like before, it was like in 1989.
[00:57:39]  And so I believe that this Phil Schneider guy read these books, read some stuff on the early internet, and then decided to create a persona.
[00:57:49]  And that is, I worked at Dulcie in 1979.
[00:57:53]  We had this firefight.
[00:57:54]  When you say create a persona, if somebody's mentally ill, it's not just like me tomorrow going, I'm going to create this persona where I'm this new person.
[00:58:03]  It's truly believing this is true.
[00:58:06]  It's possible, but I actually think.
[00:58:08]  I mean, look at like the Heaven's Gate.
[00:58:10]  Or Alex Jones.
[00:58:11]  Or Alex, well, yeah.
[00:58:12]  But I mean, the Heaven's Gate people, you know, old Bo and Peep or whatever, they believed what they were doing.
[00:58:20]  Yeah, they believed Marshall Applewhite.
[00:58:22]  Yeah, they weren't.
[00:58:23]  But that part is more that they believed the leader.
[00:58:25]  Who knows that the leader really believed that?
[00:58:27]  Right, right, right.
[00:58:28]  And I think that Marshall Applewhite might have killed off everybody because he realized that he was in too deep.
[00:58:33]  Maybe.
[00:58:33]  And that the story wasn't going to work out.
[00:58:36]  In the same way that I believe that Phil Schneider killed himself because shit was getting too real.
[00:58:40]  People were going to discover eventually that he was lying about stuff.
[00:58:43]  And he lost his fingers.
[00:58:44]  Yes.
[00:58:45]  Well, it's not official.
[00:58:47]  I can't find official documentation of this.
[00:58:50]  But someone reached out to the family and spoke to them.
[00:58:53]  And they said, again, take this with a grain of salt.
[00:58:56]  It's as verifiable as a firefight with aliens.
[00:58:59]  Well, at least I appreciate you for saying that.
[00:59:01]  Right.
[00:59:01]  But according to the family, allegedly, he was a self mutilator.
[00:59:07]  And he had a freak out on the day of his sister's wedding and cut off his own fingers.
[00:59:11]  So that is the story that certainly, if we go by Occam's razor, More realistic than a firefight with aliens.
[00:59:18]  Yeah, I'm going to say it's probably about 80 20 that that's what happened versus a firefight with aliens.
[00:59:23]  So, the thing that's fascinating about this is that this guy comes out and he takes the lead far more than this Alex Christopher lady.
[00:59:34]  She gives a couple interviews and then it's kind of like low profile.
[00:59:37]  She writes a book, but she's not going out there like Phil is.
[00:59:40]  He's giving these lectures.
[00:59:42]  I watched a part of one of his lectures.
[00:59:43]  He claims he has alien skin in a bag and stuff like that.
[00:59:46]  It's crazy, it's nuts.
[00:59:48]  And so the fact that he dies, and then they pretend it's a murder, it really gives credence to a lot of people that something real is here.
[00:59:56]  And so the Denver International Airport becomes one of the large hubs in these.
[01:00:01]  So it's called DUMS.
[01:00:03]  Deep Underground Military Bases.
[01:00:06]  It's one of the big ones.
[01:00:07]  Like I said, NORAD, Space Command, Dulcie.
[01:00:10]  These are the other ones that people have speculated about.
[01:00:13]  With deep underground, aliens and humans are working together in labs, and sometimes there's hostilities.
[01:00:20]  So that's what's going on.
[01:00:21]  And it's great.
[01:00:22]  Because it's underground.
[01:00:24]  It is.
[01:00:25]  I mean, it's so great because you can just say, it's underground.
[01:00:29]  Well, of course you can't see it.
[01:00:30]  It's all underground.
[01:00:31]  I remember listening to somebody talk about this and this idea of these there's all these entrances and there's, you know, the regular person can't go down this entrance.
[01:00:42]  Well, I mean, Phil said that he knew where they were and, of course, never said anything.
[01:00:48]  Yeah.
[01:00:48]  Went pressed about it.
[01:00:50]  What does our buddy Alex say about the Denver airport?
[01:00:53]  I don't know.
[01:00:53]  He probably says it's some sort of like a psyop.
[01:00:56]  Like getting you to think they're just trying to put these symbols in your head.
[01:01:00]  You see that Nazi soldier and you just get a, you feel evil whenever you get into the airport.
[01:01:04]  That's what they want to do.
[01:01:05]  They want to get into your headspace.
[01:01:06]  Okay.
[01:01:07]  I imagine.
[01:01:08]  Okay.
[01:01:08]  I bet he actually does believe that there's aliens underneath there, but he would never say it in public.
[01:01:12]  Right, right, right.
[01:01:13]  Because then you're like, oh, you're crazy.
[01:01:15]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:16]  I've found some indications lately that he definitely believes, first of all, in Mars bases.
[01:01:20]  Okay.
[01:01:21]  And has nothing to do with the stuff that came out this year.
[01:01:24]  Like a week or two ago.
[01:01:25]  Yeah.
[01:01:25]  It has everything to do with stuff you said deep in the past.
[01:01:27]  Okay.
[01:01:28]  But be that as it may, yes.
[01:01:31]  There's some really fascinating little pieces to this.
[01:01:33]  Okay.
[01:01:33]  So, like I said, Phil Schneider is a mentally unstable man.
[01:01:40]  He was pulling in $300 a month from government disability checks in the late 80s.
[01:01:45]  Cha ching.
[01:01:45]  If you adjust for inflation, that's like $750 a month, which I would love.
[01:01:52]  That's stand up comedy money, baby.
[01:01:54]  Oh, please.
[01:01:55]  Woo!
[01:01:55]  That's a bit more than most stand up comedy people's money.
[01:01:59]  So, like I said, there are allegations that he was a self mutilator.
[01:02:05]  Uh, he claims that he is a government geologist, but if you look at the timeline of it, there's really no way that he would have had the time to go to school and end up working in the government.
[01:02:15]  Uh, like, the timeline is completely off.
[01:02:17]  His life story doesn't match logistically, and there's no evidence of him having a degree in anything.
[01:02:23]  He has no expertise in geology, any of that shit.
[01:02:27]  He claimed that his family was from Europe and that his dad fought on both sides of the war, uh, but his father was born and raised in Oregon, uh, and much of his family also.
[01:02:36]  Like, all of this stuff just doesn't work.
[01:02:38]  Yeah.
[01:02:39]  He started talking about his experiences as like a guy who worked at the Dulcie base in 1995.
[01:02:45]  And like I said, in 1989, Bob Lazar put out a book about underground alien shit.
[01:02:51]  So, this information that he's, uh, Phil is sort of regurgitating and applying to the Denver airport is stuff that already existed in conspiracy worlds before that.
[01:02:59]  He's just mimicking it.
[01:03:01]  And, uh, it's also like he allegedly was working there in 1979 and never spoke about it until 1995.
[01:03:12]  It's very strange.
[01:03:13]  Yeah.
[01:03:13]  It causes me to give, uh, not a lot of credibility to the story.
[01:03:18]  All right.
[01:03:18]  Other things that make me have little credibility, uh, he's talking about firefights with aliens.
[01:03:23]  Yeah.
[01:03:24]  Underground.
[01:03:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:03:25]  And having a bag of their skin with them.
[01:03:27]  Yeah.
[01:03:27]  I wonder if when they hire anyone there, like you're coming into the Denver airport to try and get a job, I wonder if there's any, like, questions that are kind of just like, so if you get a job here, you're not gonna, you're not one of these weirdos looking to see what's going on here, are you?
[01:03:41]  You're not looking to take skin out, are you?
[01:03:42]  Yeah.
[01:03:44]  Maybe.
[01:03:44]  That would just be interesting if, like, you or I go for jobs there and they're like, now, uh, I Googled you.
[01:03:49]  I understand you do this podcast called That's What They Want You to Think.
[01:03:53]  You're out.
[01:03:54]  Uh, trying to find some info here?
[01:03:56]  So, uh, I have one piece of information that I've withheld.
[01:04:00]  Ooh.
[01:04:01]  About the underground bases.
[01:04:02]  Okay.
[01:04:03]  That I believe should prove to you that there's nothing going on down there.
[01:04:08]  So you're going to give me something to really think about.
[01:04:10]  Well, you can think about this if you want.
[01:04:11]  All right.
[01:04:12]  And why people don't consider this when they're making their arguments that they're, you know, all this.

=== Underground Base Claims (04:02) ===

[01:04:16]  Underground, deep underground, military base, tunnel system, all this shit.
[01:04:20]  So, in order for there to be an underground tunnel, which they claim, an underground rail tunnel from the NORAD base to the Denver International Airport, which is the closest of the sort of connected bases that people claim are there, that would be 90 miles away.
[01:04:38]  Underground tunnels going 90 miles underground.
[01:04:41]  This would be the most expensive and most impossible thing anyone has ever done.
[01:04:48]  This would rival the tunnel. that connects France and England under the English Channel.
[01:04:54]  Alright.
[01:04:54]  Like, it would be that level of complicated, uh, undertaking.
[01:04:59]  Okay.
[01:04:59]  To go 90 miles underground is absurd.
[01:05:02]  Alright.
[01:05:03]  Right now.
[01:05:03]  Well, what if you have alien technology?
[01:05:05]  Well, there we go.
[01:05:06]  Well, right now, the longest underground rail tunnel is the Gothard Base Tunnel, which goes through the Swiss Alps, and it's 35.4 miles long.
[01:05:15]  That's the longest one we've ever been able to create, and it took more than a fucking decade to make it.
[01:05:20]  So the idea that somehow they could have sneaked these 90 miles, and then if you want to go to Dulcie Base, that's hundreds of miles away.
[01:05:28]  The idea is preposterous.
[01:05:30]  You'd have cave ins.
[01:05:32]  It would be absurd.
[01:05:33]  So many people would die creating that thing.
[01:05:36]  It would be nuts.
[01:05:37]  And if it's like five stories underground or whatever, further thing, people have been given tours of all the underground areas of the Denver International Airport because there's a bunch of stuff underground.
[01:05:49]  There's like baggage shit underground.
[01:05:51]  That's how it works in airports.
[01:05:53]  Every airport has underground shit going on.
[01:05:55]  People have been given tours and it's all super mundane stuff.
[01:05:58]  If you look at the electric wiring, it all ends.
[01:06:03]  At the part where the actual airport ends.
[01:06:05]  People claim there's stuff under there.
[01:06:07]  It's like, you would have to have a whole new electrical system down there then.
[01:06:10]  It's so crazy.
[01:06:11]  There's no way.
[01:06:13]  Again, alien technology.
[01:06:14]  Alien technology.
[01:06:15]  You're right.
[01:06:16]  Fuck.
[01:06:16]  Why do I never think of that?
[01:06:17]  I'm not taking that into consideration, Dan.
[01:06:19]  I'm very close-minded about this.
[01:06:22]  So, like I said, the fun part about it is that the people at the Denver International Airport are sort of trolling.
[01:06:28]  And they fuck around.
[01:06:29]  I like this.
[01:06:30]  I like it a lot.
[01:06:31]  They lean into it.
[01:06:32]  They had a conspiracy day not too long ago.
[01:06:35]  Where they, like, gave presentations about the various conspiracy theories.
[01:06:39]  False flag day, as we call it over at Alex Jones.
[01:06:41]  Undoubtedly.
[01:06:42]  The one, like, they didn't talk about the swastika.
[01:06:45]  Yeah.
[01:06:45]  Because they were like, this doesn't even, this doesn't deserve to be addressed.
[01:06:48]  Ah, okay.
[01:06:49]  Some of them are fun to talk about, some of them aren't.
[01:06:51]  Yeah.
[01:06:52]  Uh, and Heath Montgomery, the senior public information officer for the Denver International Airport, has a great quote, and I think it applies to a lot of conspiracy theories like this.
[01:07:03]  And it is, no matter what you do, you lose, he said.
[01:07:06]  You show people the tunnels and explain the symbols, you lose.
[01:07:09]  You clam up and deny it, you lose.
[01:07:11]  So that's why we started to have a little fun with this, because people are going to behave how they behave regardless of hard evidence.
[01:07:17]  Yep.
[01:07:17]  That kind of sums it up.
[01:07:18]  I think so.
[01:07:19]  I think that explains a whole lot of things.
[01:07:21]  Yeah.
[01:07:22]  So, the Denver International Airport is weird.
[01:07:25]  It's just weird.
[01:07:26]  It's weird.
[01:07:27]  It's just weird.
[01:07:28]  But it's weird in an artsy way, and I think we should celebrate that.
[01:07:31]  I think we should.
[01:07:32]  I think the blue horse statue, when you realize.
[01:07:34]  It's something else, man.
[01:07:35]  When you realize that it is sort of a symbolization of.
[01:07:39]  Cultural history in Denver.
[01:07:42]  And on top of that, the eyes scarily are a symbol of the artist's dad.
[01:07:46]  It's something to be seen at 5 a.m. in the morning.
[01:07:50]  In an Uber pool.
[01:07:51]  In an Uber pool van.
[01:07:53]  It's great.
[01:07:53]  It's cool.
[01:07:54]  Yeah.
[01:07:55]  Then the, the, taken correctly, all of the murals are fucking weird.
[01:07:59]  Yeah.
[01:08:00]  But they offer a vision of a brighter future.
[01:08:02]  I would say this, uh, if I'm in an airport, I'd rather see something cool like that than a giant McDonald's billboard or whatever.
[01:08:10]  Sure.
[01:08:10]  McDonald's doesn't offer you a better future.
[01:08:12]  No way.
[01:08:13]  Offers you a worse future.
[01:08:14]  Yes.
[01:08:15]  So, Marty, what do you think?
[01:08:16]  I think.
[01:08:16]  Are you bummed out?
[01:08:17]  I think.
[01:08:18]  I'm not bummed out.

=== Blair Witch Conspiracy (03:27) ===

[01:08:19]  Cause the new me, the old me would have been bummed out.
[01:08:21]  Yeah.
[01:08:21]  I was sensing a little bit of bummer in you.
[01:08:23]  I, I was maybe hoping for a little like, but I don't know about that.
[01:08:28]  Right.
[01:08:29]  Well, the, the conspiracies with this are too, they're too, like, uh, researchable.
[01:08:34]  Yeah.
[01:08:35]  Like, cause when we talk about like the Alyssa Lamb stuff.
[01:08:38]  Right.
[01:08:38]  There's stuff you can't re, like, I'm not going to be able to do that elevator trick.
[01:08:42]  And it, and it, and it can't, There's, that was like, okay, something's going on here.
[01:08:47]  Right.
[01:08:48]  This is, I think, uh, one of these, like, new ones where it was just kind of like, alright, well, there's a lot of stuff.
[01:08:56]  Well, what about this?
[01:08:57]  What about this?
[01:08:58]  What about this?
[01:08:58]  I feel like this is somebody who was just like, there's gotta be something here.
[01:09:02]  You know, I, I imagine, uh, a conspiracy theory newsroom and the, and the chief is like, I need something on my desk by five o'clock.
[01:09:09]  And someone's like, well, um, these murals are real weird and that's kind of a swastika and, uh, well, that scalp Murdered somebody, so that's awesome.
[01:09:17]  And Masons have a symbol right here.
[01:09:19]  And Masons have a symbol.
[01:09:21]  It's one of those things where it's perfect for people.
[01:09:23]  It's perfect to throw a bunch of shit.
[01:09:26]  You know what I was talking to?
[01:09:27]  I was talking to somebody the other day and I said, I watched some documentary and I said, wouldn't it be a fun.
[01:09:34]  Oh, I was thinking about Blair Witch.
[01:09:36]  I watched a review of the old Blair Witch or something.
[01:09:39]  They reviewed it again.
[01:09:41]  And I thought, wouldn't it be interesting to do a whole, to find a case?
[01:09:47]  Let's say a suicide.
[01:09:50]  Okay.
[01:09:51]  And everyone knows the guy killed himself.
[01:09:55]  I had a whole week of, I listened to a couple podcasts about the Kirk Cobain.
[01:10:02]  Suicide.
[01:10:02]  Was it a murder?
[01:10:04]  Probably that case.
[01:10:05]  And then I watched the Blair Witch thing.
[01:10:06]  So I started thinking, what if you, you know, come up with this documentary?
[01:10:11]  Let's just say someone killed themselves.
[01:10:13]  They left a note.
[01:10:14]  Everyone knows they clearly killed themselves.
[01:10:16]  But then you start to find, well, what about this?
[01:10:19]  And he went on this website and this person visited him.
[01:10:21]  And then you create this whole thing and people are like, holy shit, that dude didn't kill yourself.
[01:10:25]  And then at the end you're like, actually, he did.
[01:10:27]  And there's even a video of him going, hey, I'm going to kill myself.
[01:10:30]  There's no conspiracy theory here, but I've teamed up with these.
[01:10:32]  It's It's crazy that this movie crew met up with me, but I have an illness and I'm dying and I'm going to kill myself.
[01:10:39]  But just one of those things of like, if you want to, you can find any reason.
[01:10:44]  Oh, totally.
[01:10:45]  To say, like, hey, what about this?
[01:10:47]  Oh, yeah, that's another thing I should point out is that that guy, Phil Schneider, who killed himself and everybody pretended it was a murder, he apparently had like some terminal disease and was going to die anyway.
[01:10:59]  He had perfect for my documentary.
[01:11:00]  Exactly.
[01:11:01]  Well, you can kind of see it happening before your eyes.
[01:11:03]  Yes.
[01:11:04]  Just short of a note from him that's saying, I killed myself.
[01:11:07]  And I think this is, you know, kind of no different than like the, you know, Pizzagate thing of like finding reasons to kind of say, like, oh, then what about this?
[01:11:20]  And then there's this.
[01:11:21]  And I think, like you said, the guy who's the communications director or whatever, he's right.
[01:11:26]  Like, there's no right way to argue this.
[01:11:30]  Well, I think that the Pizzagate stuff has some deep roots and some anti Semitism.
[01:11:34]  Yeah.
[01:11:35]  Because it has.
[01:11:36]  It does all go back to globalist stuff and shit like that.
[01:11:39]  And so I think it's a little different than this.
[01:11:41]  At least this is just kooky.
[01:11:43]  This is just, and it's, you know, I'll be honest, this is like, this is a fun one.

=== Globalist Radicalization (13:07) ===

[01:11:46]  I think, I think actually on some subconscious level, and I don't think this is everybody, but I think that there is a little bit of fear of multiculturalism that is being expressed through this.
[01:11:58]  Because it is mostly art that is what people are offended by.
[01:12:02]  Yeah.
[01:12:02]  And granted, there's nothing about the blue horse sculpture that is intrinsically Hispanic or anything like that.
[01:12:08]  Right.
[01:12:08]  But as you said, once you knew that the artist was Hispanic and you looked at, uh, Tanguna's, uh, murals, there is a decidedly Chicano style to it.
[01:12:18]  Absolutely.
[01:12:18]  Absolutely.
[01:12:19]  And the portraits, if you take them in order and look at them correctly, these murals, they end in a multicultural society.
[01:12:27]  They end in a place where people don't have to worry so much about what color they are or what race they are.
[01:12:33]  It is everybody together.
[01:12:35]  And I think that there are a number of people who are offended by that idea.
[01:12:39]  Yep.
[01:12:40]  Oh, sure, of course.
[01:12:41]  So, possibly.
[01:12:42]  I mean, if, if you're, uh, racist, if you're a nationalist, sure, uh, you're gonna see that and be like, why do I have to walk past this at an airport that my tax dollars pay for?
[01:12:54]  Sure, I mean, if you even take the racism out of it, if you're a nationalist and you're like, why should my country give up its weapons and turn them into plowsheers?
[01:13:00]  Sure.
[01:13:00]  So, yeah, I mean, there, there is a defensiveness sort of that I think could explain some of it.
[01:13:05]  Yeah.
[01:13:05]  But, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, I resent people not looking at facts.
[01:13:11]  You know, like, if you, if you want to make Theories about this stuff.
[01:13:16]  It's very easy to find what the artist said.
[01:13:18]  But that being said, I get why people make up theories about this.
[01:13:23]  Because, like you said, it's crazy.
[01:13:26]  It's crazy?
[01:13:26]  It's nuts.
[01:13:27]  It's nuts.
[01:13:27]  It's sexy.
[01:13:28]  If you go to O'Hare, there's no shit like that.
[01:13:31]  No.
[01:13:31]  You go to almost any airport.
[01:13:33]  No.
[01:13:33]  There's not stuff like that.
[01:13:34]  No.
[01:13:34]  No.
[01:13:35]  And, yeah.
[01:13:36]  Yeah, we just said LAX is one of the most boring, dumb airports around.
[01:13:39]  Totally.
[01:13:39]  Flew into O'Hare.
[01:13:40]  Nothing fun or sexy about that place.
[01:13:42]  But you go to the Denver airport.
[01:13:43]  Crazy.
[01:13:43]  Wow.
[01:13:44]  Yeah.
[01:13:44]  And, you know, it's a perfect storm because you've got it's the mile high city.
[01:13:49]  Well, what's under that mile?
[01:13:51]  And it's so easy to not ignore, or it's so easy to just ignore the facts of, like you said, like before you even mentioned.
[01:13:58]  Are you suggesting that because it's a mile high, there's more room for them to build shit?
[01:14:01]  Of course, that's what I'm saying.
[01:14:03]  What do you think I'm not saying that for?
[01:14:06]  Just checking.
[01:14:06]  That's my dumb conspiracy theory brain.
[01:14:09]  And you could just go, well, you can build underground here.
[01:14:11]  I'm like, yeah, but that's a mile high up in there, so it gives you more room to work with.
[01:14:14]  What I'm saying is, you have all the ingredients there.
[01:14:19]  Right.
[01:14:19]  It's like you got a blue apron thing and you can put it all together.
[01:14:22]  No waste.
[01:14:23]  No waste.
[01:14:24]  But you have a lot of room to work with.
[01:14:26]  Totally.
[01:14:27]  And if you're trying to trick somebody into thinking there's something underground, It's so much easier because they got me to say, well, this is a mile high in the air, so it's easier to build underground.
[01:14:38]  I'm like, something makes all the sense in the world to me.
[01:14:40]  Well, just in case anyone out there is thinking that the pressure that would be coming down would be the same as any other place.
[01:14:48]  Like, the amount of pressure that you would get from whatever is above your underground base would be exactly the same as if it was closer to sea level.
[01:14:56]  You know, like, if we are 20 feet above sea level and I start digging 20 feet down, I don't hit the ocean.
[01:15:02]  No.
[01:15:03]  No, no, no.
[01:15:04]  And I understand that now that you've explained it to me, and I'm not high in my bed watching YouTube videos.
[01:15:09]  I get it.
[01:15:10]  Right.
[01:15:11]  But it is just, there's a lot of things that can make you be like, oh, now there's something going on here.
[01:15:17]  Yeah.
[01:15:18]  I mean, it's the difference of watching, you know, Elvis on The Ed Sullivan Show and being like, okay, this is a guy just playing music, and then watching, you know, a Lady Gaga video and being like, dude, there's some fucked up shit going on in there.
[01:15:30]  Because you've, there's a lot of stuff.
[01:15:31]  But back in the 50s, they said there was fucked up shit going on in Elvis' stuff.
[01:15:34]  Of course he's jumping the waist up.
[01:15:36]  Yeah.
[01:15:36]  Moves his legs in an evil way.
[01:15:38]  So if you want to, uh, find stuff.
[01:15:41]  You'll find it.
[01:15:41]  You'll find it.
[01:15:42]  And this, this to me is one where, you know, people, there, there are the ones and you, you know, we've quoted before or talked about it before, Alyssa Lamb or we did the Black Dahlia or there's some like, what is going on with this?
[01:15:54]  Um, and then there's ones like this where I think people are like, Hey, you know what was weird at Denver airport?
[01:16:00]  I bet there's some stuff to that.
[01:16:01]  And you know what?
[01:16:02]  You know what I've also been thinking about?
[01:16:03]  What's that?
[01:16:04]  Maybe there are just some.
[01:16:06]  Conspiracy theory pranksters out there.
[01:16:08]  Totally.
[01:16:09]  I mean, you see.
[01:16:11]  You see over and over again people creating hoaxes of, uh, crop circles and stuff like that.
[01:16:16]  Yeah.
[01:16:16]  Why wouldn't people?
[01:16:17]  Bigfoot.
[01:16:18]  Well, sure.
[01:16:19]  There's the guy in the mask.
[01:16:20]  The guy in the mask.
[01:16:20]  Why wouldn't?
[01:16:21]  And people will not believe that this guy rented this suit and asked the people at the suit play, how do I hide the zipper while mash up the hair a little bit?
[01:16:31]  And the guy watching goes, that's our suit.
[01:16:33]  Like, and there's people go, no, But there are real big footies.
[01:16:37]  Oh, of course.
[01:16:38]  Of course.
[01:16:39]  And they hide.
[01:16:39]  They hide.
[01:16:40]  They're hiding from you.
[01:16:40]  They don't trust you.
[01:16:41]  Yeah.
[01:16:42]  The idea that people wouldn't have that same mentality and apply it to the internet where it's way easier, it's crazy.
[01:16:49]  Of course, a lot of people are fucking around.
[01:16:51]  Yeah.
[01:16:51]  So, I mean, that's one possibility.
[01:16:53]  Yeah.
[01:16:54]  Or, give me something else.
[01:16:55]  Let's help Dan.
[01:16:56]  There's a deep underground base where aliens and humans are working together to create hybrids and chimeras, and they have firefights sometimes.
[01:17:05]  Would it completely.
[01:17:07]  Shock you if there was a decent sized military base down there.
[01:17:12]  Yes.
[01:17:13]  Really?
[01:17:14]  Okay.
[01:17:14]  Well, because it, you know why?
[01:17:16]  That's why they're still a part of me.
[01:17:17]  It's like, maybe there's something.
[01:17:17]  You know why?
[01:17:18]  Why?
[01:17:19]  Because it would be completely pointless.
[01:17:21]  It would be completely cut off from the rest of the world.
[01:17:24]  Yeah.
[01:17:25]  I mean, okay, maybe you could get a couple, like a mile long tunnel or something like that.
[01:17:30]  Yeah.
[01:17:30]  But then there would be these points that people would find of entry and exit points.
[01:17:35]  Yeah.
[01:17:36]  You would need to, like, it would be very, very difficult to have any utility.
[01:17:41]  Why would you have a military base there anyway?
[01:17:43]  Also.
[01:17:43]  What strategic goal would it achieve?
[01:17:44]  Also, this is what I don't.
[01:17:46]  There is a military base a couple miles away.
[01:17:49]  I know.
[01:17:49]  Above ground.
[01:17:50]  I know.
[01:17:50]  And it's like, with a lot of, like, they're going to need to trick us that much.
[01:17:55]  Like, haha!
[01:17:55]  I mean, if they're taking over, they're taking over.
[01:17:57]  But.
[01:17:59]  I think about this a lot with the JFK assassination, with 9 11, with this Denver airport.
[01:18:06]  I just can't imagine that there's people who are like, yeah, I got fired from the Denver airport.
[01:18:12]  Well, I have all this information.
[01:18:15]  I have photos.
[01:18:16]  I have video.
[01:18:16]  I have everything.
[01:18:18]  I mean, we're in the age of cell phones now.
[01:18:19]  You're telling me no one's been down there with their phone recording stuff?
[01:18:23]  It seems weird to me that something wouldn't have leaked.
[01:18:25]  Right.
[01:18:26]  But then again, I understand with the JFK stuff, and I know, and I think there was something up with that.
[01:18:32]  Maybe.
[01:18:32]  Yeah.
[01:18:33]  I don't think.
[01:18:34]  It's tough.
[01:18:34]  It's tough to say exactly what.
[01:18:35]  Yeah, something's up.
[01:18:36]  But now we're in this day and age of cell phones.
[01:18:41]  We can record everything.
[01:18:43]  People who, you know, get wronged get right on that internet and they can fuck shit up.
[01:18:47]  Yeah, but then they get killed like Phil Schneider.
[01:18:49]  Well, if they're willing to die for their cause.
[01:18:51]  I mean, I have yet to see a YouTube video of anything really even being like, what's going on here?
[01:18:56]  No, no.
[01:18:57]  So until I see further.
[01:18:58]  Well, there are videos of employees walking around in lizard masks.
[01:19:02]  Well, and that's fantastic.
[01:19:03]  You know what I mean?
[01:19:04]  That some people might claim is like, oh, it's proof there's lizards.
[01:19:07]  I've seen a lot of 80s movies.
[01:19:08]  Look at what they did with E.T. You know what I mean?
[01:19:11]  Halloween, you can march them out there.
[01:19:12]  No big deal.
[01:19:12]  No big deal.
[01:19:13]  Yeah.
[01:19:14]  Yeah.
[01:19:14]  Well, unfortunately, it does not look like this.
[01:19:17]  You know, I don't think these aliens are there.
[01:19:19]  I think that, you know, it's probably just a normal thing.
[01:19:23]  It's just art that's posted up there.
[01:19:25]  Yeah.
[01:19:26]  And I think it's.
[01:19:27]  Marty, that's where you're supposed to say that's what they want you to think.
[01:19:29]  Well, Dan, before I say that, I do think that it's a great way that.
[01:19:35]  Uh, you know, people are, are using art that elicits a response to be like, woo.
[01:19:41]  I mean, art's supposed to do that.
[01:19:42]  It's supposed to be challenging.
[01:19:43]  Yeah.
[01:19:44]  Yeah.
[01:19:44]  Anyway.
[01:19:45]  Well, I am going to say this.
[01:19:47]  Okay.
[01:19:47]  You got me, uh, convinced on just about everything.
[01:19:53]  Except?
[01:19:54]  I think there might be a little more going on underneath there.
[01:19:57]  And that $700 million baggage claim thing that didn't, that's another sexy one where it's easy to go, it is a front.
[01:20:03]  Yeah.
[01:20:04]  Yeah.
[01:20:04]  But that's, I mean, that's how all of this stuff with the secret space program and shit goes.
[01:20:09]  It's like, of course they fucking didn't blow that ship up.
[01:20:12]  That never existed.
[01:20:13]  That was billions of dollars just to put into the dark, dark NASA.
[01:20:17]  It'll be funny when, um, you know, if all this New World Order stuff hits the fan, and one day we'll go, ah, we were real wrong about that.
[01:20:27]  Yeah, boy, we blew it on that.
[01:20:29]  We blew it on that one.
[01:20:30]  And you know what?
[01:20:31]  On that day, I'll be willing to admit I was wrong.
[01:20:34]  But at this point, the evidence does not look good.
[01:20:37]  I don't think that's going to happen.
[01:20:38]  I don't think the Antichrist is going to show up, and I'm going to have egg on my face.
[01:20:43]  But we'll see.
[01:20:44]  And, uh, and if he does, oh boy, we're going to have to do an, uh, a media podcast.
[01:20:49]  Wouldn't that be crazy for just all of like, yes, it would.
[01:20:53]  I agree.
[01:20:53]  It would be crazy.
[01:20:54]  Like if an alien comes down, like, you know, sometimes I'll just think about all this.
[01:20:58]  Like what if like an alien's like, Hey, this whole Trump shit's really getting out of hand here.
[01:21:03]  I got to step in or something like, like, or North Korea's like, you want to go to war?
[01:21:06]  We're going to, you know, shoot some nukes and then the nukes go up and they just stop.
[01:21:10]  And then some alien comes down and he's like, guys, this is where it all starts.
[01:21:14]  Okay.
[01:21:15]  Chill.
[01:21:15]  You got to chill.
[01:21:17]  And then, um, that would be wild.
[01:21:19]  And actually, I mean, but it would be wild to have like, I like, you know, like, all right, it's meet, it's Sunday.
[01:21:24]  You know what that means?
[01:21:25]  It's meet the press.
[01:21:25]  Now let's talk about Zorlak the alien taking everybody's nukes away.
[01:21:29]  What does that mean for the United States?
[01:21:30]  Well, I mean, it's already set up.
[01:21:32]  Whatever, if that happens, I mean, people talk about this.
[01:21:35]  Yeah.
[01:21:36]  And if that did happen, Alex Jones would say it's a globalist plot.
[01:21:40]  It's a fake alien.
[01:21:41]  Sure.
[01:21:42]  He already has established that that would be his narrative.
[01:21:45]  And it is like, oh, yeah, the globalists are trying to trick us.
[01:21:47]  Yeah.
[01:21:48]  This is how they bring in Hollywood magic.
[01:21:50]  This is how they bring in the final stage of martial law, what have you.
[01:21:55]  I don't know, man.
[01:21:56]  It would be crazy.
[01:21:57]  Yeah.
[01:21:57]  I'll agree with that.
[01:21:58]  Yeah.
[01:21:58]  And I, and I think that was kind of the thing too, where after the, to sort of go back to where we started, uh, with all the Hillary stuff, when I was like, this is it.
[01:22:07]  Here we go, baby.
[01:22:08]  Cause they hit us with Pizzagate and they hit us with, um, Hillary passing out on 9-11.
[01:22:13]  And I was like, Dan, this is, this is Alex's time to shine.
[01:22:17]  Let me be clear.
[01:22:18]  I never believed any of this stuff.
[01:22:19]  You never believed it.
[01:22:20]  You never believed it.
[01:22:21]  And you kind of told me, hey, man, this ain't the Hillary stuff I was iffy on, but the Pizzagate stuff, I saw that evolving on Reddit as it was happening.
[01:22:29]  Yeah.
[01:22:30]  And I knew, like, from the jump, it was bullshit.
[01:22:32]  I know.
[01:22:33]  And I guess where we're at now, and I kind of blame a lot of these shitheads for making this not fun for me anymore.
[01:22:40]  I really do.
[01:22:42]  To me, I'm like, let's go back to 2014 when we were breaking into Bohemian Grove and things were just.
[01:22:49]  Fun.
[01:22:49]  Well, to be fair, he kind of didn't.
[01:22:51]  But, uh, no!
[01:22:53]  But, uh, yeah, I totally agree.
[01:22:55]  I've lamented on the show about how, uh, Alex Jones has made conspiracy unfun.
[01:23:01]  Really has.
[01:23:02]  And what's not, what's also not fun.
[01:23:03]  It's part of the radicalization of it.
[01:23:05]  Conspiracy is now really like almost exclusively a very right wing thing.
[01:23:10]  I know.
[01:23:10]  And if, and if I used to be able to, uh, left wing conspiracy has shifted off into like new age-iness.
[01:23:16]  I know.
[01:23:17]  And right wing conspiracy is just what conspiracy is.
[01:23:19]  But I mean, we used to have such fun talks with.
[01:23:21]  People and oh, let me tell you about this conspiracy theory.
[01:23:23]  You know, you got to check out Zeitgeist.
[01:23:25]  Sure.
[01:23:25]  And now it's like, I'm, I'm, I don't want to push somebody into the direction of like, you know, hey, watch a couple of these videos and then find out how the white man's really getting pushed around here.
[01:23:34]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:23:34]  It's like, that's the pipeline.
[01:23:35]  I know, they've co opted my conspiracy theory.
[01:23:38]  So that's the pipeline.
[01:23:39]  It leads to white identity.
[01:23:41]  Yeah.
[01:23:41]  It's real bad.
[01:23:43]  But anyway.
[01:23:44]  The only thing pure is murder.
[01:23:45]  We got to stick with the murder, maybe.
[01:23:46]  Maybe.
[01:23:47]  Next episode, maybe we'll do a murder.
[01:23:48]  Who knows?
[01:23:49]  Hey, I'm hearing, there's a new series coming out where the family members of H.H. Holmes.
[01:23:55]  Are you saying he was Jack the Ripper?
[01:23:57]  Oh boy.
[01:23:58]  Can't wait to see that.
[01:23:59]  Maybe we'll do a review.
[01:24:01]  Marty, this has been a lot of fun.
[01:24:02]  Dan, you've changed my mind from the Denver airport.
[01:24:06]  I hope some of you out there have had a similar experience.
[01:24:09]  Let's hop on a plane.
[01:24:10]  Let's go for ourselves.
[01:24:12]  I'm in.
[01:24:14]  Let's do a remote broadcast from there.
[01:24:15]  I'm down.
[01:24:16]  I'd love to see this artwork.
[01:24:17]  I think it's probably pretty great.
[01:24:18]  It's beautiful.
[01:24:19]  Also, people should listen to your podcast.
[01:24:21]  Yes, you're right.
[01:24:22]  Marty and Sarah love wrestling.
[01:24:23]  Marty and Sarah love wrestling and wrestling with depression.
[01:24:25]  Which I think I'm due to come back on, by the way.
[01:24:27]  It's been a year.
[01:24:28]  Get ready to cement your legacy.
[01:24:30]  It's been a year or so.
[01:24:31]  You're your number one guest.
[01:24:32]  Yeah.
[01:24:33]  I don't need to do that.
[01:24:34]  I'm not really that depressed.
[01:24:35]  I'm very depressed.
[01:24:36]  Yeah.
[01:24:37]  That's what they want you to think.
[01:24:40]  All right, Marty.
[01:24:41]  See you next time.
[01:24:42]  Thanks, Dan.
[01:24:42]  Yeah.

=== Wrestling with Depression (01:18) ===

[01:24:53]  That's what they want to defend.
[01:25:01]  That's what they want to defend.
[01:25:12]  The Denver Air Force.
[01:25:27]  Port just turned out to be a pretty cool place with some fun art from local artists.
[01:25:33]  Yeah, one of them killed a guy.
[01:25:36]  Check out the murals and make sure you look at them in order.
[01:25:41]  It's all about how we should be one and put our guns down.
[01:25:46]  That's what they want you to do.
[01:25:53]  That's what they want, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
[01:26:06]  There's nothing underground anymore.