Knowledge Fight - Bonus - Fluoride
Aired: 2017-07-14
Duration: 01:25:11


=== Libelous Territory and Nixon (14:27) ===

[00:00:00]  All I do is smash heads, bro.
[00:00:13]  That's what they want you to think.
[00:00:21]  That's what they want you to think.
[00:00:28]  She's control the world.
[00:00:31]  What did you just say?
[00:00:33]  I didn't hear you.
[00:00:34]  It's no big deal.
[00:00:36]  They want you to think.
[00:00:40]  So you just go on with your life.
[00:00:46]  I'd like to apologize.
[00:00:48]  About what I said earlier.
[00:00:50]  People are weird and sometimes say things that don't make sense.
[00:00:55]  If you could have heard what we were talking about before we turned these mics on, you would definitely want us to do a Chris Benoit episode.
[00:01:04]  That's what they want.
[00:01:06]  All right, that's enough of that.
[00:01:10]  Hey, I was about to go.
[00:01:11]  How's it going?
[00:01:12]  What was in my yabbity yabbity?
[00:01:14]  That's all.
[00:01:15]  How are you guys doing?
[00:01:16]  Welcome back to Freezing Point.
[00:01:18]  I'm Dan Freezing.
[00:01:18]  I'm sitting here in the studio.
[00:01:20]  With my main man, my Truth Seeker.
[00:01:22]  We got to come up with better nicknames because I don't like that.
[00:01:25]  Truth Seeker's kind of my brain battler.
[00:01:27]  Brain warrior.
[00:01:29]  My partner in the trenches of the brain battle, ladies and gentlemen, Marty DeRosa.
[00:01:33]  It's good to be here.
[00:01:34]  It's going to be woke.
[00:01:35]  Welcome back to woke studios.
[00:01:37]  We are back here in an undisclosed location.
[00:01:40]  We are recording in a bunker somewhere either east or west of the Rockies.
[00:01:47]  One of the two.
[00:01:47]  We are definitely west of Lake Michigan.
[00:01:50]  You're on the air.
[00:01:51]  Did you ever listen to like Coast to Coast AM, right?
[00:01:54]  Dark Matter Radio.
[00:01:55]  Didn't you always love the, like, East of the Rockies?
[00:01:58]  You're on the air.
[00:01:58]  They still do it.
[00:01:59]  Yeah, I love it.
[00:02:00]  Uh, Brian Alvarez, who's a wrestling journalist, uh, with Dave Meltzer for Figure Four and Wrestling Observer, he's, he has a show on the Dark Matter Radio Network.
[00:02:09]  And, uh, it's a lifelong dream for him, and I like seeing people achieve their dreams.
[00:02:13]  Sure.
[00:02:13]  And, uh, he's a big fan of East of the Rockies, West of the Rockies.
[00:02:17]  And when they can't, when they can't quite figure it out, they say parts unknown.
[00:02:21]  Parts unknown.
[00:02:21]  Ooh, I love it.
[00:02:22]  Did you hear, uh, uh, George Norrie was on Duncan Trussell's podcast recently.
[00:02:28]  Okay.
[00:02:28]  He did an interview and, uh, boy, it was weird.
[00:02:31]  Who's George Norrie?
[00:02:32]  He's the host of Coast to Coast.
[00:02:34]  Oh, the new Art Bell.
[00:02:35]  Yeah.
[00:02:35]  And Art Bell left because he felt like, uh, he needed to get to an island or something like that.
[00:02:40]  I think we all need to get to an island.
[00:02:42]  I think he might have, uh, I feel like it was escaping something.
[00:02:47]  Okay.
[00:02:48]  That's the kind of feel I had.
[00:02:49]  Okay.
[00:02:49]  I heard the new guy.
[00:02:50]  Uh, I was on the road and I had access to a car and I was driving around after a show.
[00:02:55]  The guy who's newer than George Norrie.
[00:02:57]  Yeah, the new guy.
[00:02:58]  Whoever he is.
[00:02:59]  And man, those callers are awesome.
[00:03:03]  Yeah, they have stories.
[00:03:06]  Yeah, I have seen ghosts numerous occasions, but that's not why I'm calling it.
[00:03:11]  And then I'll go on this other.
[00:03:13]  I love just this idea of like, what do you got this week?
[00:03:16]  Bigfoot, I'm down.
[00:03:17]  Yeah, let's do it.
[00:03:18]  Let's do it.
[00:03:18]  Bigfoot's real.
[00:03:19]  Like, I love just this, like, across the board, I'm down with whatever you're throwing at me.
[00:03:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:24]  I love that acceptance.
[00:03:26]  But anyway, he was on Duncan Drussell's podcast and he was asking him about who the elites are.
[00:03:32]  Oh.
[00:03:32]  And stuff like that.
[00:03:32]  He's like, I can't talk about it.
[00:03:34]  The elites in podcasting, he mentioned us?
[00:03:35]  Yeah, he did.
[00:03:36]  He's like, Marty and Sarah love wrestling, top tier.
[00:03:38]  Freezing for us.
[00:03:39]  Number 33.
[00:03:40]  Wow, that was just an episode, Dan, but we're, we're, we're firmly in the top 100.
[00:03:43]  You're entrenched.
[00:03:44]  Entrenched in the top 100.
[00:03:46]  Uh, beating Vince Russo's podcast.
[00:03:48]  Suck it.
[00:03:49]  How's that for a swerve?
[00:03:51]  Is that, is, am I cool now?
[00:03:52]  Am I cool?
[00:03:53]  You're awesome.
[00:03:54]  You're awesome.
[00:03:55]  Uh, yeah, but it was, it was insane to me listening to that.
[00:03:57]  And he's like, there are people and I can't talk about them because I don't want to die.
[00:04:01]  Let me ask you this question.
[00:04:02]  Whoa.
[00:04:02]  Before we, before we really delve in, Before we jump into the water, to our today's business, what do I mean?
[00:04:11]  Is Alex Jones still saying if Trump gets elected, he'll get killed?
[00:04:14]  Is he.
[00:04:15]  Oh, let's leave that for another.
[00:04:18]  I don't think I should answer that on the air just in case.
[00:04:20]  Okay.
[00:04:21]  I don't know who that number is.
[00:04:22]  Is that our mystery caller?
[00:04:23]  It is not.
[00:04:24]  So are the people, are the brain battlers, our fellow brain battlers out there?
[00:04:29]  Are you talking about like you and me?
[00:04:31]  No, I'm talking about like Alex Jones, our arch enemy.
[00:04:34]  Okay.
[00:04:34]  I don't know why he's arch enemy.
[00:04:35]  No, he's fine.
[00:04:37]  But.
[00:04:37]  He's not fine.
[00:04:38]  I mean, what's the vibe?
[00:04:40]  Not just on him.
[00:04:41]  I hate to give him the mouthpiece of all the conspiracy theorists out there, but.
[00:04:45]  Right.
[00:04:46]  What's the general vibe about the election right now?
[00:04:48]  Let's do an election update.
[00:04:50]  I think that the general vibe is as it's always been that this is all bullshit.
[00:04:56]  Yeah, we couldn't get our press passes to the RNC or the DNC.
[00:04:59]  Do you believe that?
[00:04:59]  That would have been so fun, me and you.
[00:05:01]  We were trying to report live from Cleveland.
[00:05:03]  Just like, you know, what's up with Bohemian Grove?
[00:05:06]  Just a lot of Bohemian Grove questions.
[00:05:09]  Like me with one of those shoulder cameras, you with a terrible mic attached to the camera.
[00:05:14]  Like a long, thin, just like.
[00:05:16]  Excuse me, Congressman, what's up with the Bilderbergs?
[00:05:19]  I would love it if you and I could have been like a bad TV news team in like 1987.
[00:05:25]  That would have been great.
[00:05:26]  So they're like just running around trying to get a scoop.
[00:05:28]  Always with cassettes.
[00:05:29]  Just nothing but cassettes.
[00:05:32]  And Dan, change the cassette.
[00:05:34]  Did you white balance?
[00:05:35]  Oh, man.
[00:05:35]  God damn it.
[00:05:36]  But I mean, really though, what is the vibe?
[00:05:38]  I mean, obviously business as usual, but are they like, here's what's going to happen?
[00:05:41]  Because I know.
[00:05:42]  Well, if you talk to Alex Jones, his whole thing was race war, Obama stays, right?
[00:05:46]  He's basically a.
[00:05:47]  Not Lee Greenwood.
[00:05:48]  Who's that other guy that I see a race war arising?
[00:05:52]  Johnny Rebel?
[00:05:53]  Is that who it was?
[00:05:54]  That racist country singer?
[00:05:57]  Johnny Paycheck?
[00:05:58]  I don't know.
[00:05:58]  Take his job and shove it?
[00:05:59]  No, Okay.
[00:06:01]  He's basically that.
[00:06:02]  He's like, there's a race war coming.
[00:06:04]  Okay.
[00:06:04]  But he also, his whole thing was like, Trump is our only hope.
[00:06:08]  Let me hold it.
[00:06:10]  It's like, blue lives that matter more.
[00:06:12]  Race wars are coming.
[00:06:14]  To our shore.
[00:06:15]  To our shore.
[00:06:17]  He was all on the Trump as our only hope against the globalists, and now he's becoming more and more like, This might actually happen.
[00:06:25]  And I think the way he's changing his tone is like, I don't know.
[00:06:28]  I hope Trump's the real deal, but maybe he'll get bought out.
[00:06:31]  You know, that sort of thing.
[00:06:32]  Yeah, we're backtracking.
[00:06:34]  But yeah, I think anybody who has conspiracy theory leanings sees the presidential elections.
[00:06:40]  Every time it's just a dog and pony show.
[00:06:42]  We're just watching nonsense.
[00:06:44]  Yeah.
[00:06:44]  It's all kabuki theater with all these people up here.
[00:06:47]  Marionettes, rich people, strings.
[00:06:49]  You know what I'm talking about.
[00:06:50]  I do, but I also.
[00:06:51]  Just yelling words at you.
[00:06:52]  Like, what do the Koch brothers think of Donald Trump?
[00:06:55]  Do we know that?
[00:06:56]  I don't know, but I bet they're not afraid.
[00:06:59]  Yeah.
[00:06:59]  I bet they're not.
[00:07:00]  I mean, this is a great test.
[00:07:01]  Donald Trump is such a dick.
[00:07:03]  He can be bought so easily.
[00:07:04]  Sure.
[00:07:04]  This is a great test to see how well the powers that be's systems are truly set up.
[00:07:13]  Let me ask you an interesting question.
[00:07:14]  Fire away, Dan.
[00:07:15]  Do you think Donald Trump has murdered anybody?
[00:07:18]  Himself?
[00:07:19]  Yeah.
[00:07:20]  Physically with his hands?
[00:07:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:07:24]  Well, I mean, I don't.
[00:07:27]  I love that you have to take a second to think about it.
[00:07:29]  Of course, because you don't think, and I'm not saying it was recently.
[00:07:33]  Yeah, when he was a younger man.
[00:07:34]  You don't think in the 80s there was some fucking.
[00:07:38]  Oh, Donald.
[00:07:39]  You be Donald.
[00:07:40]  I'll be your friend.
[00:07:41]  I like role play.
[00:07:41]  All right, here we go.
[00:07:43]  Donald.
[00:07:44]  Hey.
[00:07:44]  I'm back from my vacation.
[00:07:46]  I hope it was fantastic.
[00:07:47]  Donald.
[00:07:48]  The best vacation, the best place.
[00:07:50]  I don't do a good job.
[00:07:50]  Drop whatever you're doing.
[00:07:52]  Okay.
[00:07:52]  There is an island where they bring you.
[00:07:56]  You can hunt.
[00:07:58]  Whoa.
[00:07:59]  They're homeless.
[00:08:00]  Uh huh.
[00:08:00]  No one will miss them.
[00:08:01]  No trail.
[00:08:02]  No trail.
[00:08:02]  Yeah.
[00:08:03]  You haven't lived until you've hunted another man.
[00:08:06]  It's the most dangerous game.
[00:08:07]  It is the most dangerous game.
[00:08:08]  This one guy looked a lot like iced tea.
[00:08:11]  That's what I think.
[00:08:12]  If he ever killed anybody, allegedly, if he ever killed anybody, it was one of those deals.
[00:08:16]  One of those situations?
[00:08:17]  It was like, oh, all the rich guys are doing it.
[00:08:20]  You know, it was kind of like this very American psycho type of like, yeah, cocaine's great, but you know what's even better?
[00:08:27]  There's no greater high than watching life leave someone's eyes.
[00:08:31]  Sure.
[00:08:32]  I don't know if that's true, but I would assume.
[00:08:33]  Have you ever, Trump, Bohemian Grove, ever?
[00:08:36]  Oh, of course.
[00:08:37]  Okay.
[00:08:37]  Of course.
[00:08:38]  You set the agenda.
[00:08:40]  It's nice.
[00:08:40]  It's wonderful.
[00:08:42]  The owl, Molokai, it's wonderful.
[00:08:44]  You guys have some gay sex.
[00:08:45]  Everybody has a good time.
[00:08:46]  It's the faggiest goddamn thing Nixon has ever seen.
[00:08:50]  That is one thing about Richard Nixon, it's like the gayest shit I've ever seen.
[00:08:54]  No.
[00:08:55]  I know, he said the F word.
[00:08:57]  The only reason I'm comfortable quoting that is because that's a crazy quote.
[00:09:02]  Right.
[00:09:03]  Legit.
[00:09:03]  Yeah.
[00:09:04]  Nixon.
[00:09:05]  Nixon.
[00:09:06]  I would think.
[00:09:07]  What do you think the odds are?
[00:09:09]  Would you bet on him having murdered somebody?
[00:09:13]  We're getting into possibly libelous territory.
[00:09:15]  Allegedly.
[00:09:19]  Like I said, if something did happen like that, first of all, he's been at parties where someone's died.
[00:09:23]  For sure.
[00:09:24]  Or overdose or something.
[00:09:26]  Yeah, and just had to like, let's put them out the back door.
[00:09:29]  That's allegedly, probably 1,000%, allegedly, for sure, allegedly happened.
[00:09:34]  What I'm wondering about is the, you know, murder for sport, the murder island.
[00:09:41]  Murder island.
[00:09:42]  Mm hmm.
[00:09:43]  You know, in conspiracy circles, people are really big on what's called predictive programming.
[00:09:48]  Ooh, please tell me about this.
[00:09:48]  And that's the sort of thing where you put something in a movie and then it happens in real life and it's crazy.
[00:09:54]  And so people can just be like, hey, something's up here.
[00:09:57]  And they're like, yeah, here, wait.
[00:09:59]  It's like.
[00:09:59]  Or is it the opposite of something.
[00:10:02]  Because I know that sounds like dark waters.
[00:10:05]  But.
[00:10:05]  It's almost exactly.
[00:10:06]  Could it be something like this also if something wild happened and then it's like, oh shit, we better make a movie about this?
[00:10:12]  So if anyone.
[00:10:13]  People don't look at it.
[00:10:13]  So if people are like, hey, I heard Dan and Marty.
[00:10:17]  Did this thing.
[00:10:18]  Now you're thinking of that movie, Stop It.
[00:10:20]  Well, it's like one of the bad examples of this is like people make the argument that in the Dark Knight, there's an area on a map that's shown called Sandy Hook.
[00:10:29]  And that happened right before the movie came out before the shooting.
[00:10:33]  Sure.
[00:10:33]  It's like, hey, look at this.
[00:10:34]  It's a clue.
[00:10:35]  Yeah.
[00:10:36]  That sort of thing.
[00:10:37]  That's a bad example.
[00:10:38]  But the real one's like, hey, we got all these millionaires who murder on this island for fun.
[00:10:43]  Yeah.
[00:10:43]  Your version is much more appealing.
[00:10:45]  Let's make a movie about this so it looks silly if anyone claims that we're doing it.
[00:10:49]  Absolutely.
[00:10:50]  Also, you don't think when that Ice T movie came out, there was some rich guy who's like.
[00:10:53]  Wait, that was an.
[00:10:54]  Oh, Surviving the Game?
[00:10:55]  Yeah.
[00:10:56]  Oh, okay.
[00:10:57]  That's not the movie I'm talking about.
[00:10:58]  There's one from like the 40s.
[00:10:59]  Oh, I'm talking about the fucking Ice T fucking awesome ass movie.
[00:11:02]  Oh, no.
[00:11:03]  Which is ripe for a remake.
[00:11:05]  That one will not ruin my childhood, and I am on board with that one.
[00:11:08]  Should we talk about that a tiny bit before we get into our topic?
[00:11:11]  Sure.
[00:11:12]  Sure.
[00:11:12]  So last week, or maybe two weeks ago, me and Buds did a movie review of Ghostbusters.
[00:11:18]  You didn't like it.
[00:11:19]  I thought it was just.
[00:11:19]  I mean, not the episode.
[00:11:20]  I thought.
[00:11:21]  I stopped listening to the episode because I heard spoilers were coming.
[00:11:24]  And I didn't want to be spoiled.
[00:11:28]  Sure.
[00:11:30]  I liked what I heard so far of the podcast.
[00:11:35]  I don't know.
[00:11:36]  There were some really funny jokes at the beginning, I thought.
[00:11:38]  I thought the beginning was Joke City.
[00:11:41]  And then, I don't know.
[00:11:42]  I just was kind of like, this is fine.
[00:11:45]  It wasn't, you know, and I was kind of like, while it was happening, I was kind of wondering what some of the reviews were.
[00:11:53]  You guys gave it a glowing review.
[00:11:54]  I loved it.
[00:11:55]  I saw it twice.
[00:11:56]  I loved it.
[00:11:56]  I saw it twice in theaters.
[00:11:58]  Twice?
[00:11:58]  Yeah.
[00:11:59]  Yeah, see.
[00:12:00]  See, what happened with me was I saw it, I loved it, and then I read all these reviews, and I'm like, did I actually love it?
[00:12:05]  And I started to second guess myself.
[00:12:07]  What were some of the knocks on the movie?
[00:12:09]  Besides Fallout Boys, motherfucking horrendous version of that theme song.
[00:12:12]  Which I stand by, that it's bad.
[00:12:14]  Oh my god.
[00:12:15]  I'm on your side.
[00:12:15]  That took me out of the movie.
[00:12:16]  I think that's when I really got out of it.
[00:12:18]  I'm not afraid.
[00:12:19]  I'm not afraid.
[00:12:20]  I don't even know what, like.
[00:12:21]  Terrible.
[00:12:22]  How do those guys look each other in the eyes?
[00:12:24]  You're talking about Patrick Stump and his friend?
[00:12:27]  Pete Wentz?
[00:12:28]  Pete Wentz?
[00:12:28]  I don't even know how these guys look each other in the eyes after that.
[00:12:30]  I don't know.
[00:12:31]  I think they feel pretty good about it.
[00:12:33]  I would be more comfortable looking you in the eyes after we hunted a homeless man on an island.
[00:12:38]  After we paid a million dollars each to do it versus us.
[00:12:41]  Getting paid millions of dollars to do this Ghostbusters theme song.
[00:12:44]  What was that quote, like that Michael Caine quote about doing Jaws 4?
[00:12:48]  It was like, I have not seen the movie.
[00:12:50]  I heard it's bad.
[00:12:51]  Yeah.
[00:12:51]  But I've seen the house before.
[00:12:53]  Sure.
[00:12:53]  And it's awesome.
[00:12:54]  My favorite is.
[00:12:55]  I bet Patrick Stump feels some of that.
[00:12:57]  Yeah, maybe the song sucks, but I got paid like a million dollars.
[00:13:00]  Also, too, it's like at this point, it's like, look, people who hate us are already going to hate us.
[00:13:04]  People who love us are already going to love us.
[00:13:06]  I'm not afraid, not afraid of these haters.
[00:13:08]  I know.
[00:13:09]  And you know what?
[00:13:10]  Just, it wasn't like.
[00:13:13]  There were fun.
[00:13:14]  I mean, like, obviously, everyone in it's funny.
[00:13:16]  Yeah.
[00:13:17]  You know what I mean?
[00:13:17]  And there were very funny parts.
[00:13:21]  The announcer for Fallon was so funny in it.
[00:13:23]  The middle finger guy?
[00:13:24]  Yeah.
[00:13:25]  And did you notice his name was Tom Shanks?
[00:13:29]  No.
[00:13:30]  What's that a joke about?
[00:13:31]  Tom Hanks.
[00:13:32]  Oh, okay.
[00:13:32]  And Shanks.
[00:13:33]  Also, too, it was like the previews weren't fun.
[00:13:37]  There were two Tom Hanks movies previews.
[00:13:39]  You're talking about the new Angels and Demons Da Vinci Code movie?
[00:13:43]  Yeah.
[00:13:43]  Yeah.
[00:13:43]  Come on.
[00:13:44]  Dante's Infer.
[00:13:45]  I've never been into those movies.
[00:13:46]  No, of course not.
[00:13:47]  At all.
[00:13:48]  Give me a conspiracy theory movie I can sink my teeth into.
[00:13:51]  We went on vacation one time and my dad found a copy of the book.
[00:13:55]  Yeah.
[00:13:56]  The Da Vinci Code.
[00:13:57]  Yeah.
[00:13:57]  And he's like, I hate this book.
[00:13:59]  Have you read it?
[00:14:00]  He's like, no.
[00:14:02]  He's like, I don't ever want to read this.
[00:14:03]  And then I guess he was left alone with his thoughts for a while and grabbed the book and started reading it.
[00:14:09]  Just devoured it.
[00:14:09]  The rest of the time he was furious at the book.
[00:14:11]  He was like, this is the stupidest shit.
[00:14:14]  Well, your dad's an intelligent man.
[00:14:16]  He wouldn't use that kind of language, but he was so mad at the book.
[00:14:19]  So there was the preview for that movie.
[00:14:21]  Yeah.
[00:14:21]  Then there was a preview for the Miracle on the Hudson movie.
[00:14:24]  About Sully Sullenberg?
[00:14:25]  About Sully Sullenberg.
[00:14:26]  They're making a movie of that?

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[00:14:27]  Yeah.
[00:14:28]  What?
[00:14:29]  Can't wait to see how long you take one fucking little, not little, but like a one plink, whatever.
[00:14:36]  It's an inspiring tale of a man landing a plane.
[00:14:38]  Yeah, but it's like my character's under question, and they're asking if he was fucked up and all this stuff, whatever.
[00:14:44]  Remember back in the day when it was expected that pilots would be drunk?
[00:14:47]  Sure.
[00:14:48]  A better time.
[00:14:49]  Sure.
[00:14:49]  Anyway, what was the third one?
[00:14:51]  Uh, like a troll Pixar movie about the troll dolls.
[00:14:55]  The ones with the weird hair?
[00:14:56]  Yeah.
[00:14:56]  Come on.
[00:14:58]  Uh, and then they did my pet peeve where they showed, they said the name of the actor who was voicing, first of all, as a man who appreciates your voice, probably more than anybody in this Scottish.
[00:15:10]  Certainly more than my voiceover agent.
[00:15:12]  I think, and I remember Billy West talking about this on Howard Stern one time.
[00:15:15]  He's like, Why the fuck does Brad Pitt have to voice a cartoon?
[00:15:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:19]  He's Brad Pitt.
[00:15:20]  Yep.
[00:15:21]  Why?
[00:15:22]  So 80% of that is just stunt casting because we need them at the red carpet.
[00:15:26]  So they're showing the troll, and then they're like, voiced by Justin Timberlake.
[00:15:31]  And then they show him in the sound booth.
[00:15:33]  Justin Timberlake did boo boo.
[00:15:35]  Acting all fucking.
[00:15:37]  Act, just.
[00:15:37]  Camera zombie?
[00:15:38]  Okay, here we go.
[00:15:39]  Let me stand up from this chair that I'm probably sitting in when I voice this.
[00:15:42]  And he's like, oh boy, we're going on an adventure.
[00:15:45]  That I fucking hate.
[00:15:46]  I think part of it, though, is.
[00:15:48]  Feel a little pity for Justin Timberlake because he probably can't get real roles.
[00:15:52]  He's always in movies.
[00:15:53]  Is he?
[00:15:54]  Sure.
[00:15:54]  Like what?
[00:15:55]  That one with the.
[00:15:56]  Alpha Dog.
[00:15:56]  That one they did with the time thing on their wrists.
[00:16:00]  That was six years ago.
[00:16:01]  I love that movie.
[00:16:03]  Out of Time?
[00:16:03]  Oh, I love that movie.
[00:16:04]  That was years ago.
[00:16:06]  Yeah, man, but it's fucking ripe for a remake.
[00:16:10]  That was a movie.
[00:16:11]  It's definitely riper than Troll Dolls.
[00:16:13]  And then there was this fucking, like, if you loved American Sniper but want to take your date to a movie, it's like about some soldier who comes back and he's like PTSD and he's at the Super Bowl halftime show and there's fireworks and he's having flashbacks and he falls in love with a cheerleader and it's called like Dan Friesen's Long Walk at Halftime or something.
[00:16:36]  I'm just like, all those movies sucked.
[00:16:38]  That sounds overwrought.
[00:16:39]  I couldn't get one cool new one where I'm like, Oh, I can't wait to see that one.
[00:16:43]  The flip side of that is when I went to see Tickled, uh, the previews for that.
[00:16:46]  Oh, yeah.
[00:16:47]  Were, uh, there's that movie about, there's an autistic kid.
[00:16:51]  Mm hmm.
[00:16:52]  A documentary about, uh, his parents learning that they could speak to him.
[00:16:55]  Yeah.
[00:16:56]  Through Disney movies.
[00:16:57]  Yeah.
[00:16:57]  And so they'd, like, play Disney characters to get him to come out of his shell.
[00:17:01]  Yeah.
[00:17:01]  Like, that sounds amazing.
[00:17:02]  That's how I speak to my, uh, friend from Japan who's over here wrestling.
[00:17:06]  Oh, yeah?
[00:17:06]  Yeah.
[00:17:07]  Shigahiro, I read.
[00:17:08]  He does, he, I speak to him through Disney characters.
[00:17:11]  Just, uh, pretend to be Jafar.
[00:17:13]  Well, he's a huge, he's a huge, uh, Disney buff.
[00:17:16]  And I've done this on my podcast, but he loves Disney, and we're going to take him to the Disney store, and I have a Google translator.
[00:17:33]  This is just the intro to a pornography.
[00:17:35]  Not at all.
[00:17:37]  That is, my friend Sarah is very excited to take you to the Disney store on Sunday.
[00:17:41]  She loves Disney.
[00:17:43]  That's it?
[00:17:43]  That's it.
[00:17:44]  That was a long.
[00:17:45]  I know, right?
[00:17:46]  Wow.
[00:17:47]  You know what they need to study over there in Japan?
[00:17:49]  What?
[00:17:49]  Economy of language.
[00:17:51]  Yeah, word economy, as they have here justly.
[00:17:54]  So, Marty, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the movie.
[00:17:56]  I thought it was good.
[00:17:57]  I'll say this.
[00:17:57]  I don't want to rehash all the things I like about it, but I thought it was great.
[00:18:00]  I thought the characters were good, the plot was fun.
[00:18:05]  I was so curious, too, when you guys were gushing over the guy at the beginning from Parker Brown.
[00:18:09]  Zach Woods?
[00:18:10]  My man, Zach Woods.
[00:18:11]  Did you mention that he's on Silicon Valley?
[00:18:15]  Yeah, I think we mentioned.
[00:18:16]  Yeah, Bud's talked about how he's his favorite part of Silicon Valley.
[00:18:20]  He's great.
[00:18:21]  Yeah.
[00:18:21]  He's really great.
[00:18:22]  He's a genius.
[00:18:22]  He's.
[00:18:23]  Wow.
[00:18:23]  He needs to be in tons more stuff.
[00:18:25]  He could play.
[00:18:26]  He will be.
[00:18:26]  So many.
[00:18:27]  Yeah.
[00:18:27]  I think he will be.
[00:18:28]  God damn it, I love Zach Woods.
[00:18:30]  I thought the blonde lady from Saturday Night Live.
[00:18:34]  Kate McKinnon?
[00:18:35]  Yeah.
[00:18:36]  Amazing.
[00:18:36]  There were times where it was a little over the top, maybe.
[00:18:39]  Yeah, your character was wacky.
[00:18:41]  Took me out a little bit.
[00:18:42]  Not took me out, whatever.
[00:18:43]  I knew it was a movie.
[00:18:45]  Yeah.
[00:18:45]  I wasn't like, whoa, shit.
[00:18:46]  For a second, I thought this was a documentary about ghost hunting.
[00:18:48]  Chris Hounsworth was awesome?
[00:18:50]  Yeah.
[00:18:51]  Yeah.
[00:18:52]  I like the idea that that dude who was the bad guy was just some nod gigantic star.
[00:18:58]  Yeah.
[00:18:58]  I mean, I was like, where have I seen him before?
[00:19:01]  Where have we seen him before?
[00:19:02]  I know that, I don't know, but I know he was on an episode of The League.
[00:19:06]  He's in that Rafi episode where they do Rafi's backstory.
[00:19:09]  He's one of the guys who's in the mental institution with him and Seth Rogen.
[00:19:12]  Oh, okay.
[00:19:13]  Oh, okay.
[00:19:13]  Zoukas and Dirty Randy are in the mental hospital.
[00:19:17]  He was good, though.
[00:19:18]  Sure.
[00:19:19]  Yeah.
[00:19:19]  Sure.
[00:19:21]  You know.
[00:19:21]  It was.
[00:19:23]  I'm not trying to talk you into liking it.
[00:19:24]  No, no.
[00:19:25]  It was just one of those where I was like, okay.
[00:19:28]  I was just kind of like, you know what's not okay.
[00:19:32]  What?
[00:19:32]  The response I've been getting lately, we're 20 minutes in, by the way.
[00:19:35]  It's okay.
[00:19:35]  It's fine.
[00:19:36]  Damn.
[00:19:37]  A lot of response.
[00:19:37]  This is a personality driven podcast.
[00:19:39]  I don't know if you realize that.
[00:19:41]  And we're desperately trying to not talk about what we decided to talk about today.
[00:19:44]  We're like two kids who don't want to go to bed.
[00:19:46]  Wait, One more thing.
[00:19:48]  One more thing.
[00:19:48]  What we're doing is like, we're basically.
[00:19:52]  This podcast, in some way, is like an oral report that we've got to give and we haven't studied.
[00:19:58]  Furthermore, before I delve into my topic, might I just say.
[00:20:03]  May I thank my illustrious teacher for the great introduction?
[00:20:07]  Yes.
[00:20:07]  And I thoroughly appreciate your ears to talk to.
[00:20:13]  Okay, go ahead.
[00:20:14]  Been getting a lot of really positive feedback, though, about past episodes and a lot of new listeners, and I really appreciate it.
[00:20:19]  Want to welcome everybody in and thank you for specifically tweeting and texting me about how great that Alyssa Lamb episode is.
[00:20:26]  Welcome.
[00:20:26]  We really peaked.
[00:20:27]  Yeah.
[00:20:28]  Welcome to the brain battle.
[00:20:29]  We fucking peaked so hard.

=== Welcome to the Brain Battle (04:31) ===

[00:20:32]  But.
[00:20:32]  I think, and this is where we're, you know, when we're sitting around at the conference table with all the writers, all those Harvard grad writers, for that's what they want you to think.
[00:20:42]  We basically have the Simpsons writing staff from 97.
[00:20:45]  I mean, basically, we do.
[00:20:47]  We don't like to say this, but we're being funded by BuzzFeed and Vice.
[00:20:51]  And Al Jazeera.
[00:20:52]  And Al Jazeera.
[00:20:53]  We're really blowing up here.
[00:20:55]  And we've got all the writers around, and everyone's pitching true crime.
[00:20:58]  And they're saying, we've got our marketing people, they've got pie charts, they're like, they want you guys to talk about women getting murdered.
[00:21:03]  And that's all they want you to talk about.
[00:21:04]  It's really all anyone wants.
[00:21:05]  It's really all anyone wants us to talk about.
[00:21:07]  Which is not the idea of the show.
[00:21:08]  I know.
[00:21:09]  But then we're just like, no, no, it's not all true crime.
[00:21:11]  Like, it's about, like, conspiracy theories and this and that weird stuff.
[00:21:14]  And they're just like, no, talk about women getting murdered.
[00:21:16]  So we'll get back to that soon.
[00:21:17]  We will.
[00:21:18]  Yeah.
[00:21:18]  But we will.
[00:21:19]  But today, let's get into it.
[00:21:21]  It's time for That's What They Want You to Think.
[00:21:22]  That's why.
[00:21:36]  Don't drink the water.
[00:21:37]  There's blood in the water.
[00:21:39]  Water fountains are your enemy.
[00:21:45]  It's free, but is it good for you?
[00:21:48]  I almost said, is it fun?
[00:21:50]  It's free, but at what cost?
[00:21:51]  Yeah.
[00:21:52]  God, do you think water is a human right?
[00:21:55]  That's a fascinating question.
[00:21:57]  Yeah.
[00:21:57]  No.
[00:21:58]  Ooh, you are like that nasty man in Michigan I saw on the Vice Land show.
[00:22:03]  I should say, full disclosure, I'm a.
[00:22:07]  Majority owner in Nestle, and we're stealing water from everybody.
[00:22:11]  No, it's not a human right.
[00:22:13]  I don't think life is a human right.
[00:22:15]  Okay.
[00:22:16]  That's a controversial opinion, but I kind of don't believe that we all have the right to live.
[00:22:21]  Oh, damn.
[00:22:24]  Marty, I've got an island I want to tell you about.
[00:22:26]  Yeah, I think, listen, once you get past this idea that life isn't that precious, it's so easy to kill them.
[00:22:31]  No, I think life is incredibly precious, but I have a very.
[00:22:36]  I'm of two minds about it.
[00:22:38]  Okay.
[00:22:38]  One is an ideal version of how life should be.
[00:22:41]  And then I think everything is a human right.
[00:22:43]  A basic income is a human right.
[00:22:45]  Okay.
[00:22:45]  I believe that water, food, housing, all of the basic Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
[00:22:51]  Yes.
[00:22:52]  The bottom left.
[00:22:52]  Well, you really nailed it there.
[00:22:54]  All of that is a human right.
[00:22:56]  You know which one he left off that a lot of people don't know about?
[00:22:58]  Pussy?
[00:22:59]  No, free hardcore pornography.
[00:23:01]  Sort of the same.
[00:23:03]  Replacement for pussy.
[00:23:04]  Yeah.
[00:23:05]  But I think the way that the world operates, and if we enter.
[00:23:09]  Our current world, I don't think any of that is promised to anybody.
[00:23:14]  Yeah.
[00:23:16]  I don't like the way the world is, but it appears that no, all this stuff isn't a right.
[00:23:20]  Yeah.
[00:23:22]  I don't know.
[00:23:22]  If we had to name this Murder Island.
[00:23:25]  Yeah.
[00:23:26]  You don't want to call it something evil.
[00:23:28]  No, no.
[00:23:29]  It's like Greenland is full of ice and Iceland is full of lush vegetation.
[00:23:33]  Yeah.
[00:23:34]  The Vikings called it that to try and get people to not come to Iceland.
[00:23:37]  Because it's a gorgeous place and they keep people away and call it Iceland.
[00:23:40]  Ooh, I love it.
[00:23:40]  So we call Murder Island.
[00:23:43]  Let's call it like really super happy fun island.
[00:23:46]  Fun game city?
[00:23:47]  No, not murdering.
[00:23:48]  Oh, I know what we're going to call it.
[00:23:50]  Safe island.
[00:23:51]  We had this growing up where I grew up in Indiana.
[00:23:54]  Celebration Station.
[00:23:56]  I like the rhyming.
[00:23:57]  Yeah.
[00:23:58]  Maybe poor people welcome.
[00:24:00]  Or maybe, let's see.
[00:24:02]  Yeah, because you don't want to call it like murder island.
[00:24:05]  It's really on the nose.
[00:24:06]  Yeah.
[00:24:08]  It's tough to say.
[00:24:09]  Law and Order Island.
[00:24:11]  No.
[00:24:12]  Fuck this.
[00:24:13]  Who knows?
[00:24:13]  Who knows?
[00:24:14]  Sorry I took us off on such a.
[00:24:16]  Tangent that paid off in zero.
[00:24:17]  Usually we're good at this improv stuff.
[00:24:20]  We're good at winging things.
[00:24:21]  I can see it.
[00:24:22]  I'm imagining me and you on a nice private plane.
[00:24:26]  I got it.
[00:24:26]  About to land there.
[00:24:27]  Fantasy Island.
[00:24:28]  Let's just reclaim it.
[00:24:31]  We get Hornswoggle.
[00:24:32]  He just got fired.
[00:24:34]  He's available.
[00:24:35]  He's available.
[00:24:36]  We get him to be our Hervé Villaches.
[00:24:39]  We welcome people.
[00:24:40]  Smiles, everybody.
[00:24:42]  Oh, man.
[00:24:42]  We bring people in.
[00:24:43]  We tell them that they're going to live out of fantasy.
[00:24:45]  Yeah.
[00:24:45]  We hunt them.
[00:24:46]  Oh, shit.
[00:24:47]  Yeah.
[00:24:47]  Yeah, unfortunately, it's my fantasy.
[00:24:50]  And my fantasy is to hunt poor people.
[00:24:52]  It's deep in the fine print.
[00:24:54]  You give up your right to live.
[00:24:56]  I'm actually feeling really bad that I made that argument just a second ago.
[00:24:59]  Yeah, you're a bad person.
[00:25:01]  Yeah.
[00:25:02]  I mean, I.

=== Reclaiming Fantasy Island with Hornswoggle (15:58) ===

[00:25:03]  Oh, got it.
[00:25:03]  I want to live in a more ideal world, but our world sucks, is what I'm saying.
[00:25:07]  Ready for this name?
[00:25:08]  Yes.
[00:25:09]  Darwin's Island.
[00:25:10]  Ooh.
[00:25:11]  I got chills.
[00:25:12]  Take out the trash.
[00:25:13]  Ooh, I got chills.
[00:25:14]  Take out the trash, Darwin's Island.
[00:25:17]  Speaking of trash, our.
[00:25:20]  Theory we're talking about today, our topic, is fluoridization in the water.
[00:25:25]  Fluoride is in the water.
[00:25:27]  It is.
[00:25:28]  What do you know about fluoride, Marty?
[00:25:29]  I know that some may say we might as well have Prozac in the water.
[00:25:34]  Might as well.
[00:25:34]  Might as well.
[00:25:35]  Yeah.
[00:25:36]  A little brain control.
[00:25:37]  Uh huh.
[00:25:38]  And like the government loves to do, at first they say, this is to help you.
[00:25:42]  Yeah.
[00:25:42]  Take your fucking medicine, America.
[00:25:45]  Uh, you know, fluoride is used in toothpaste.
[00:25:48]  Yeah.
[00:25:48]  Uh, that's where I first heard about it.
[00:25:51]  And I'm thinking, oh, fluoride's great.
[00:25:53]  And then I heard someone one time say, well, there's fluoride in the water.
[00:25:56]  And I go, how nice is our government to put fluoride in the water for us?
[00:26:01]  They're looking out for us.
[00:26:02]  Yeah.
[00:26:03]  And then I start hearing, hmm, maybe you don't want all that fluoride.
[00:26:07]  Maybe you don't.
[00:26:08]  Uh, yeah, I mean, the, uh, The argument that there is fluoride in Prozac is true.
[00:26:16]  Yes.
[00:26:16]  Like it is an ingredient in there.
[00:26:18]  There's organofluorines in a lot of pharmaceuticals, many antidepressant drugs.
[00:26:24]  I will say this.
[00:26:24]  But I don't know if that means that they have the same effect.
[00:26:27]  Who knows?
[00:26:28]  And as a depressed man, I think, hey, it's free medication.
[00:26:33]  Yeah.
[00:26:34]  I'll drink a bunch of water.
[00:26:35]  But that's where it comes down to.
[00:26:36]  That's what they want you to think.
[00:26:37]  That's what you were going to say, and then we'd be done with this episode.
[00:26:40]  Well, problem solved.
[00:26:41]  Hit the button.
[00:26:43]  Sign off.
[00:26:45]  It comes down to informed consent when you put medication into public drinking water.
[00:26:50]  Yes.
[00:26:51]  Should it be just because it is a medication that could help people, should they be forced to take it without knowing that they're taking it or without choosing to?
[00:27:01]  We're getting real big brother here.
[00:27:03]  Listen, dummy.
[00:27:05]  I know this is what's best for you.
[00:27:08]  I'm giving it to you.
[00:27:09]  Just take it.
[00:27:10]  Even if it doesn't do anything bad.
[00:27:13]  It seems weird that.
[00:27:14]  What was the pitch?
[00:27:15]  What's the marketing pitch for why this should happen?
[00:27:17]  What presidency was this?
[00:27:18]  This was like 1950.
[00:27:22]  Like early 1950s is when the fluoridization became prevalent.
[00:27:26]  Okay, so Ronald Reagan was the president.
[00:27:28]  I don't know.
[00:27:30]  Everything before 1980.
[00:27:31]  Not JFK.
[00:27:34]  I think it was Eisenhower.
[00:27:36]  Yes.
[00:27:37]  I don't know.
[00:27:37]  I don't know if that's correct.
[00:27:38]  Whenever you say president 1950s, I just go Eisenhower.
[00:27:41]  I say, fuck it.
[00:27:42]  I know.
[00:27:43]  In the late 1950s.
[00:27:44]  I just imagine a president with a.
[00:27:47]  Oh, and I almost said bell bottoms.
[00:27:49]  That's the 70s.
[00:27:50]  Never mind.
[00:27:50]  I'm a fucking.
[00:27:51]  Horn rimmed glasses?
[00:27:52]  Maybe.
[00:27:53]  Just a real thin tie.
[00:27:55]  And a lot of guys around him with thin ties and white dress shirts with short sleeves.
[00:27:59]  They took that look from Ska.
[00:28:01]  Yeah, they did.
[00:28:01]  Thin tie, skinny tie.
[00:28:05]  Early 1940s, or late 1940s, excuse me, they tried some experimental programs limited to small communities.
[00:28:14]  One of the biggest ones is in Michigan.
[00:28:16]  And they tested what effects there would be of fluoridization of the water.
[00:28:20]  And found, like, let's go ahead and just do this Florida.
[00:28:22]  I like when you get, I have to say that when you keep saying Floridization, I imagine.
[00:28:26]  Turned Jeans into Florida?
[00:28:27]  Just turning everything into Florida.
[00:28:28]  And it's like you get an amusement park and a bunch of white trash people and some very fun episodes of cops and a very pornographic themed rap group.
[00:28:41]  Floride is as nasty as it wants to be.
[00:28:43]  Do you guys know that Dan once opened for Floride and he doesn't really talk about it as much as he should?
[00:28:50]  I met Fresh Kid Floride.
[00:28:52]  Uh, Yeah, I mean, this is a complicated issue.
[00:28:58]  Yeah.
[00:28:58]  Because it does come into medical stuff.
[00:29:01]  Medical ethics?
[00:29:02]  Sure.
[00:29:03]  This is a topic that is not easy for someone like you or I to research.
[00:29:07]  To swallow, no pun intended.
[00:29:08]  Sure.
[00:29:08]  I mean, we can go to blogs and we can read reports and we can see, like.
[00:29:14]  I mean, what's.
[00:29:15]  We can see one argument, we can see the other argument, but we don't know what the truth is.
[00:29:19]  Like, much like we can see that there is organofluorines in Prozac, but we don't know what that means.
[00:29:25]  Right.
[00:29:25]  We have no idea.
[00:29:26]  Right.
[00:29:27]  Thankfully, do have an expert.
[00:29:29]  Oh, fuck.
[00:29:30]  Thank God.
[00:29:30]  We have an expert on call.
[00:29:33]  Gentleman who's been on the podcast before.
[00:29:34]  What podcast favorite?
[00:29:35]  President Ska?
[00:29:37]  What did President Ska say to the country that attacked another country?
[00:29:41]  Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up?
[00:29:42]  Nope.
[00:29:42]  Stop your fooling around.
[00:29:45]  Okay, sorry.
[00:29:47]  I feel like almost every Ska joke is basically the punchline pick it up.
[00:29:52]  What did the Ska band say when the phone was ringing?
[00:29:54]  Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
[00:29:56]  Ladies and gentlemen, I have to find his phone number.
[00:30:00]  This is not good.
[00:30:00]  Don't worry, I'll make a song for him.
[00:30:03]  I'm going to get him on the phone now.
[00:30:04]  This is a gentleman I've known since.
[00:30:07]  2000-ish high school days.
[00:30:10]  This gentleman and I have known each other for years and years.
[00:30:13]  He is now a literal doctor.
[00:30:16]  I that you know what in Step Brothers, which I I'm that's a movie.
[00:30:20]  Yikes.
[00:30:20]  I love that movie so much.
[00:30:22]  Yikes is a strange show.
[00:30:24]  Uh, in the deleted scene or in the in the audio commentary, which is as equally as funny as the movie, they do so many bits in it.
[00:30:30]  It's awesome.
[00:30:31]  Uh, the dad was his big catchphrase was supposed to be like.
[00:30:37]  I'm a medical doctor.
[00:30:38]  And then I'm literally a doctor.
[00:30:40]  It was numerous times he was going to say, so I'm a big fan of people who are literally doctors.
[00:30:44]  He is literally a medical doctor, not a doctor of philosophy, not a doctor of thugonomics.
[00:30:50]  Not a doctor of thugonomics.
[00:30:51]  He doesn't have an MD in thugonomics.
[00:30:54]  Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to give him a call.
[00:30:56]  This is Dr. Gums going to be on the line here.
[00:30:59]  Does he have a PhD, play a hating degree?
[00:31:01]  He definitely does have that.
[00:31:04]  Let's hope he actually answers.
[00:31:08]  I really don't plan these things very well.
[00:31:11]  Man, if Dr. Gums doesn't answer, we are fucked.
[00:31:13]  Yeah.
[00:31:15]  Look.
[00:31:16]  Dr. Gums.
[00:31:18]  Hey, man, how's it going?
[00:31:19]  Great, how are you?
[00:31:20]  You're on the show with me and Marty DeRosa sitting around trying to find truth.
[00:31:27]  Truth about the world.
[00:31:29]  Yeah.
[00:31:29]  Can you please say the doctor is in and then we'll get started?
[00:31:31]  Marty, how's it going?
[00:31:32]  It's great.
[00:31:32]  Good to meet you.
[00:31:33]  I'm good.
[00:31:34]  It's great to actually talk to a real doctor.
[00:31:37]  I haven't talked to one in years since I haven't had decent health insurance, so this is great.
[00:31:42]  My poop's fine, by the way.
[00:31:44]  Don't worry about me.
[00:31:44]  My poop's fine.
[00:31:47]  I can barely hear Marty, by the way.
[00:31:49]  Oh, shit.
[00:31:49]  This is a disaster in terms of my technology.
[00:31:53]  I'm going to try and fiddle with.
[00:31:54]  What I was trying to say.
[00:31:56]  Doctor?
[00:31:57]  Do you hear me now, Doctor?
[00:31:59]  East of the Rockies, do you hear me?
[00:32:01]  Doctor.
[00:32:02]  I don't, I'm sorry.
[00:32:04]  I can barely hear you, Marty, but I'm sure Dan can translate.
[00:32:07]  I can try.
[00:32:08]  Basically, just tell him that my poop is okay and he has nothing to worry about.
[00:32:11]  I'm trying to fiddle with some knobs and see if we can adjust this.
[00:32:15]  Any better now?
[00:32:16]  Testing, testing.
[00:32:17]  Should I try the other mic?
[00:32:19]  Not really.
[00:32:20]  Try this mic.
[00:32:20]  Testing, testing.
[00:32:21]  Doctor, can you hear me?
[00:32:23]  Doctor?
[00:32:24]  Marty, I can hear you now.
[00:32:25]  Doctor?
[00:32:25]  Alright, awesome.
[00:32:25]  We just had to switch mics.
[00:32:26]  Doctor.
[00:32:27]  Alright, let's cut that part out.
[00:32:28]  Yeah, post.
[00:32:29]  No, I'm not going to do that.
[00:32:30]  I love authenticity.
[00:32:31]  Doctor, first of all, I wanted to tell you my poop is fine.
[00:32:33]  You have nothing to worry about on that end.
[00:32:36]  I'm not one of these alcoholic comedians who are going to try to get free health care from you.
[00:32:40]  I am fine.
[00:32:40]  I've been in the best shape of my life.
[00:32:43]  And that's it.
[00:32:45]  Maybe get a script for some of this.
[00:32:47]  What?
[00:32:48]  What?
[00:32:49]  Last time I was on the podcast with Dan, I talked to someone that was peeing and pissing blood.
[00:32:54]  Yeah.
[00:32:54]  And I was going to ask if that was you.
[00:32:56]  No, that wasn't Marty, right?
[00:32:57]  That was Joe McMahon, and a follow-up on that, probably still pissing blood.
[00:33:01]  He's a mess.
[00:33:04]  So, Gummy, I talked to you yesterday.
[00:33:08]  I told you the topic that we were going to be discussing: the fluoride in the water.
[00:33:12]  And much to my delight, you said that this is a topic that you deal with a little bit.
[00:33:19]  A little bit.
[00:33:21]  You know, I live in Portland, Oregon, and it's a hot topic around here.
[00:33:26]  It's a big deal.
[00:33:27]  Do you have a hot topic in Portland?
[00:33:30]  Do we have.
[00:33:32]  I don't know if we have a hot topic in Portland, to be honest.
[00:33:35]  I gotta be honest.
[00:33:35]  But I do know that.
[00:33:37]  I think the timing on jokes is gonna be real difficult.
[00:33:40]  I'm done joking.
[00:33:41]  I'm so sorry.
[00:33:42]  Let's get into it.
[00:33:46]  No, it's a pretty big deal here.
[00:33:48]  Portland's one of the few cities in America that does not have fluoridated water.
[00:33:54]  Is that correct?
[00:33:54]  So, that's true.
[00:33:57]  It's true.
[00:33:58]  And in full disclosure, when you did text me about this yesterday, I meant to read a lot more than I did.
[00:34:05]  So, you are, I mean, but go ahead.
[00:34:10]  You're a perfect cast member here at That's What They Want You to Think, then, because me and Marty always plan on reading more than we do.
[00:34:18]  It's about intentions, not follow through on this podcast.
[00:34:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:22]  Sure.
[00:34:23]  Sure.
[00:34:24]  I've listened to a couple of you guys' podcasts.
[00:34:27]  I think I caught one on Marilyn Monroe.
[00:34:29]  Is that right?
[00:34:30]  Sure, yeah.
[00:34:30]  Was that part of your series?
[00:34:31]  We mostly do things about young women dying.
[00:34:34]  Thank God you did.
[00:34:35]  Thank God you didn't just say Alyssa Lamb is the only one I listen to.
[00:34:38]  You'd be like everybody.
[00:34:40]  That's the one everyone loves.
[00:34:42]  I was going to say, it sounded like you guys did quite a bit of research, so don't put yourself down too much.
[00:34:49]  Don't lump Martian with my research.
[00:34:51]  Yeah, I bring zero to the table.
[00:34:53]  I like to pretend I'm the voice of the listener, which is a fun way of getting me out of doing any research.
[00:34:58]  You're the everyman.
[00:34:59]  I'm the everyman.
[00:35:00]  The dusty roads of the podcast.
[00:35:02]  I'm Joe Lunchbox on this podcast.
[00:35:05]  Yeah.
[00:35:06]  Oh, man.
[00:35:06]  All right.
[00:35:07]  Fair enough.
[00:35:07]  But as I was saying, you know, yeah, we do get a lot of questions about fluoride.
[00:35:12]  So let's pretend I'm you.
[00:35:16]  You play the role of someone coming into your office asking about fluoride.
[00:35:20]  Like, what kind of questions do they ask?
[00:35:23]  Sure.
[00:35:24]  I mean, we get a lot of.
[00:35:25]  Should I be eating fluoride?
[00:35:27]  Should I be concerned that there isn't any fluoride in the water?
[00:35:31]  Wait, eating fluoride?
[00:35:31]  Are we doing.
[00:35:32]  Are we doing.
[00:35:33]  Are you, you know, ingesting fluoride in any other form?
[00:35:36]  There isn't any fluoride put in the water here in Portland.
[00:35:39]  Oh, okay.
[00:35:40]  So, like, should I be eating toothpaste?
[00:35:43]  Well, not necessarily toothpaste, but I've never gotten that specific question.
[00:35:47]  That'd be a dumb question.
[00:35:48]  But people are just concerned that there aren't getting enough fluoride.
[00:35:53]  Their FDA required amount of fluoride?
[00:35:56]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:35:57]  We get a lot of that.
[00:35:58]  We get a lot of patients asking that.
[00:36:00]  And then we get the other question, too, on the other extreme of whether fluoride is damaging to the body.
[00:36:06]  You know, I think, you know, I, I have to look back and, and I apologize.
[00:36:10]  I didn't look back to see when the exact votes here in Portland were.
[00:36:13]  But it comes up, I think, every two to four years.
[00:36:16]  The city council, you know, there's a big movement, uh, of people, mostly in the scientific community, mostly doctors, dentists, uh, et cetera, that, uh, advocate for putting fluoride in the water.
[00:36:28]  But, uh, I think every time that vote has come up in Portland, I think it's been dissuaded.
[00:36:32]  I think there are a lot of anti-fluorination people out here.
[00:36:35]  So you're saying every two to four years, you guys waste a bunch of money and time arguing about this?
[00:36:42]  Well, I think the proponents of fluorination would argue otherwise that, you know, we're actually wasting a lot of money not preventing dental caries.
[00:36:52]  You know, I think it's an incredibly prevalent disease.
[00:36:56]  And yeah, it's something that should be talked about.
[00:36:58]  This seems.
[00:36:59]  I think last.
[00:37:00]  This seems ripe for parody in.
[00:37:02]  I think.
[00:37:03]  Oh, sorry to interrupt, Marty.
[00:37:04]  Go ahead.
[00:37:04]  I was going to say, this seems ripe for parody in Portlandia.
[00:37:08]  I haven't seen that episode yet.
[00:37:10]  Yeah, I haven't either.
[00:37:11]  I haven't seen all the episodes there.
[00:37:13]  I've.
[00:37:13]  I have to admit I've only seen like five or six episodes probably, but yea, that'd be a great time.
[00:37:18]  I don't know if they've ever done it on there.
[00:37:19]  The show probably hits too close to home, literally.
[00:37:24]  So, man, it's a big deal around here.
[00:37:28]  That's weird.
[00:37:29]  That's really weird.
[00:37:32]  Why is that weird?
[00:37:32]  Because it's not a big deal.
[00:37:34]  Like, I would argue that almost nobody outside of Portland thinks about it.
[00:37:40]  Even, really.
[00:37:41]  Except for weirdos.
[00:37:42]  That's what I was going to say.
[00:37:46]  I mean, the little bit of reading I did do and the few news clips I watched on YouTube last night before I went to bed are mostly, yeah, I agree, from people that seem a little off.
[00:37:59]  You know, they feel like they're.
[00:38:01]  Any questions?
[00:38:02]  Yes, you in the hoodie with the, uh, aviator shades on.
[00:38:09]  I want to take a step back and propose an alternate explanation for this.
[00:38:12]  You're saying that these anti fluorination people are a little bit off.
[00:38:16]  Is it possible that that's because they've drank too much fluoride in the water?
[00:38:20]  Or not had enough fluoride in the water?
[00:38:23]  How say you, doctor?
[00:38:24]  That's funny.
[00:38:25]  No, first off, I didn't call any anti fluorination people, uh, wacky.
[00:38:31]  I just said a few clips that I've seen.
[00:38:33]  They seem not the norm of society.
[00:38:37]  Listen, you can speak freely.
[00:38:39]  Listen, you're anonymous here.
[00:38:41]  Who would you play?
[00:38:43]  Who's a bigger nut job?
[00:38:44]  The anti vaccinators or the anti Floridians?
[00:38:49]  Right.
[00:38:49]  So, you know, I was going to bring that up.
[00:38:51]  And I think, you know, I think the argument is very similar to vaccination.
[00:38:56]  You know, it's, you know, forced treatment, if you will.
[00:38:59]  And I think that's where people get angry.
[00:39:01]  You know, people claim that fluoride is a drug that's being.
[00:39:06]  unfairly pushed upon him by incorporating it into the public water supply.
[00:39:12]  Do you disagree?
[00:39:13]  Having said that, well, I was going to back up a minute and say, you know, I'm glad I started reading about this.
[00:39:21]  It's really interesting to me.
[00:39:23]  And after kind of reading all the data that I have so far, you know, I'm split, to be honest with you.
[00:39:30]  Whoa.
[00:39:31]  Whoa.
[00:39:32]  And, well, hold on.
[00:39:33]  I didn't expect that at all.
[00:39:36]  Well, I think there are a lot of variables that go into this.
[00:39:41]  I mean, I think, you know, the variables of the prevalence of dental caries around the world, the, you know, mostly secondary, so a lot of things.
[00:39:53]  I'm sorry, I wanted to interrupt you there because you said, did you say dental caries?
[00:39:58]  Dental caries, yeah.
[00:40:00]  Sooth decay.
[00:40:01]  Oh, okay.
[00:40:03]  I was not familiar with that term.
[00:40:06]  Got it, got it.
[00:40:08]  Yeah, so, you know, I think there are a lot of variables at play.
[00:40:12]  I mean, the prevalence of dental caries, I think, has to do with, you know, obviously dental health and dental hygiene.
[00:40:19]  So if you go to a population where, you know, dental hygiene isn't as prevalent, maybe secondary to poverty and the inability to afford toothbrushes and toothpaste, you're talking about the comedy world.
[00:40:33]  Dental caries is probably not the top priority.
[00:40:37]  Do you believe that the Giggle Barn doesn't offer dental coverage?
[00:40:41]  It does not.
[00:40:43]  Well, studies have shown there are much, much higher.
[00:40:47]  Doc, can I ask you a question, Doc?
[00:40:50]  Do you think if tomorrow there was a cure for cancer and the government was like, we're going to put it in the water, that way no one gets cancer, there'd be people who would be opposed to that?

=== Fluoride, IQ Points, and Free Will (15:09) ===

[00:41:01]  There'd be just that knee jerk, like, oh, I don't know about this.
[00:41:05]  I agree.
[00:41:05]  I totally agree, especially considering vaccinations, right?
[00:41:09]  I mean, Scientifically proven to prevent disease, and there's still people that are opposed to vaccination.
[00:41:16]  So, sure, absolutely.
[00:41:18]  If it was an anti cancer treatment and it was forced on people, I'm sure they'll be in opposition to it.
[00:41:23]  I want to take a step back and disconnect the anti vaccination and the anti fluoride stuff because with the vaccination things, you're posing a risk to other people.
[00:41:33]  With the fluoride stuff, if you don't want to take the fluoride, all you're doing is hurting your own mouth.
[00:41:39]  You're not going to get other people sick.
[00:41:43]  It's the difference between drunk driving and riding a bike without a helmet.
[00:41:48]  If you're riding a bike without a helmet, you're posing a risk to yourself.
[00:41:51]  If you're driving drunk, you're going to hurt other people.
[00:41:55]  I think that's a very legitimate argument, except the indirect cost of tooth disease.
[00:42:04]  I mean, you could argue that by not putting fluoride in, you're going to cost the taxpayers a lot more money.
[00:42:10]  Is this like a let's take care of poor people, they don't know any better type of thing?
[00:42:17]  Well, hold on.
[00:42:17]  I mean, let's outlaw candy.
[00:42:19]  I mean, Dan, people have proposed that we not put those in.
[00:42:23]  Little Mayor Bloomberg.
[00:42:26]  With the big sodas.
[00:42:28]  Well, I would argue that you probably shouldn't have sodas in schools.
[00:42:31]  I think that's kind of fair.
[00:42:33]  Have you seen that sugar documentary?
[00:42:34]  Sure.
[00:42:36]  But again, I do think that the arguments are related, right?
[00:42:40]  I mean, it is something that's forced upon people, and it's free will versus being forced to take a vaccine or have fluoride in your water.
[00:42:50]  In that sense, on a philosophical level, the idea that something is given to you and you don't really control whether it is or not, the mandatory.
[00:42:58]  Medication aspect of it?
[00:42:59]  Yes, I do agree.
[00:43:00]  But I think that because of the consequences of not using it, I think that they're so different that it branches off into different.
[00:43:10]  Like, it's easy to make an argument for one that doesn't apply to the other, I think.
[00:43:15]  Sure, sure.
[00:43:16]  I agree.
[00:43:17]  And your point is well taken.
[00:43:19]  But, you know, going back to what I was saying, I think there are a lot of variables at play here.
[00:43:22]  I mean, the incidence of dental caries, I mean, probably, you know, differs with if somebody can afford a toothbrush and toothpaste, and that population probably has a lot more.
[00:43:32]  Tooth disease, and they probably deserve to have fluorine in their water.
[00:43:35]  Whereas, you know, go ahead, I'm sorry.
[00:43:38]  What are some of the wilder reasons why people are opposed to having fluoride in the water?
[00:43:45]  Yeah, so the things that I've read, I mean, there's a condition called bone fluorosis, and you can also get tooth fluorosis.
[00:43:54]  This is when you have too much fluoride in your system, in your body, and it contributes to skeletal deformation.
[00:44:02]  It causes calcification, right?
[00:44:05]  Right, exactly.
[00:44:06]  A form of calcification and deposition of fluoride in your bones, and it discolors your teeth a little bit.
[00:44:14]  And I don't know enough about fluorosis to say that it causes more disease or anything like that, but I do know that bone fluorosis is not good and it causes more fracture.
[00:44:25]  Having said that, yeah, go ahead.
[00:44:28]  I was going to say, we have to address the other extreme of the treatment spectrum, where a little bit of fluoride is also, like I said, Uh, been shown to prevent dental disease and a little bit of fluoride, the data suggests that it actually prevents bone fracture.
[00:44:46]  So a little bit of fluoride or the right amount seems to protect teeth and protects bone, whereas too much causes dental fluorosis and bone fluorosis.
[00:44:57]  And, you know, in toxic amounts and high doses, yeah, fluoride itself is toxic to the human.
[00:45:03]  I mean, you can get fluoride toxicity and get kidney disease, kidney damage.
[00:45:08]  Same is kind of true.
[00:45:09]  Or even aspirin, though.
[00:45:10]  Or almost anything.
[00:45:12]  Or cocaine.
[00:45:12]  Sure.
[00:45:13]  Sure.
[00:45:14]  Absolutely.
[00:45:15]  But we don't put those things in water.
[00:45:16]  But I mean, I would argue that a little bit of cocaine probably doesn't have any physiological benefit.
[00:45:21]  How dare you?
[00:45:25]  You know, but it's like a lot of things, I think.
[00:45:28]  And I think the right amount is where we draw the line.
[00:45:32]  I think there are two big things.
[00:45:35]  Go ahead.
[00:45:35]  I was just going to say, I've got a couple of things I wanted to run by you because we were talking about this before we got you on the line.
[00:45:42]  There's organofluorines in Prozac and other antidepressants, but we don't know what that means.
[00:45:50]  Sure.
[00:45:51]  I mean, so what I've read is that fluorine is actually present in about, or some kind of fluoride compound is present in about 20% of pharmaceuticals.
[00:46:01]  So anytime, you know, I write for an antibiotic or Prozac or whatever it may be, these are all compounded formulations, you know, compounded by a pharmacy, and they put a lot of stuff in there.
[00:46:12]  I honestly didn't realize that 20% of pharmaceuticals had fluorine in it.
[00:46:16]  It's pretty healthy.
[00:46:16]  So they put a lot of other stuff in it.
[00:46:18]  Yeah, I do agree.
[00:46:20]  But, you know, looking at the compounds themselves and looking at the amount of fluoride that's used, it's minuscule.
[00:46:26]  It's a tiny amount, mostly used to stabilize the compound so it has a longer shelf life or to bind properly once adjusted, etc.
[00:46:35]  In that way, it's almost like a preservative that exists in, uh.
[00:46:39]  Correct.
[00:46:39]  Correct.
[00:46:40]  Yes.
[00:46:40]  Weird.
[00:46:41]  It's like the drug dealer cutting their product with something.
[00:46:45]  Again, going back to cocaine.
[00:46:46]  Right.
[00:46:47]  But it doesn't, in that sense, it doesn't have, Like, uh, an active presence in those drugs as much as it does a functional molecular purpose.
[00:46:59]  Is that right?
[00:46:59]  Correct.
[00:47:00]  Correct.
[00:47:01]  That's absolutely right.
[00:47:02]  And I think we should delineate something else too.
[00:47:04]  You know, all these, uh, uh, benefits that are bestowed upon fluoride in terms of, uh, teeth or tooth health, uh, it's only been shown that it works when it's topical.
[00:47:15]  When it's in your mouth.
[00:47:16]  That was my next point I was going to get to.
[00:47:18]  The CDC said that there's no benefit that can be gained by ingesting fluoride, only topical application.
[00:47:26]  Correct.
[00:47:27]  So, again, the one study that showed that bone health was improved, I believe, was in measurement of serum fluoride levels.
[00:47:38]  So, I don't know if that was, I haven't read that study, I have to say.
[00:47:41]  So, I should go back and look at it.
[00:47:43]  But, yeah, you're right.
[00:47:45]  The only fluoride that's shown to work in the mouth in terms of preventing cavities and such is topical or, yeah, fluoride that's in your mouth.
[00:47:53]  It's like when the dentists would give you that mouth guard with the fake bubble gum shit.
[00:47:58]  Oh, disgusting.
[00:48:00]  I honestly am not familiar with that.
[00:48:02]  Like the fluoride treatments they give you as a kid.
[00:48:05]  They'd have that weird thing you'd bite down on.
[00:48:08]  They would have the pumice, the weird, like, sort of grainy.
[00:48:10]  Yeah, I know.
[00:48:12]  You'd have the straw, the straw to suck it out.
[00:48:15]  Yeah.
[00:48:17]  I do remember that.
[00:48:17]  I didn't realize that was a fluoride treatment.
[00:48:20]  That's what I remember them being called.
[00:48:22]  Okay.
[00:48:22]  All right.
[00:48:23]  Fair enough.
[00:48:24]  I mean, yeah, man, I don't know.
[00:48:26]  I'm kind of split on the issue.
[00:48:28]  And the other things that I was going to bring up real quickly are the few cases that I've read of, you know, Problems in terms of like bone fluorosis and peach fluorosis are, were, it was in Alaska, I think sometime in the 1990s or so.
[00:48:42]  Uh, there were two towns that, um, had some kind of chemical spill or something and they spilled a bunch of fluoride in the water.
[00:48:49]  And I think those, uh, kids got affected.
[00:48:52]  And in India, I think, uh, back in the 1950s, that's right.
[00:48:57]  Was it in the Punjab?
[00:49:00]  You're slowly, slowly giving away my identity.
[00:49:03]  Telling you, you know, everybody knows I live in Portland.
[00:49:08]  Dan gives me all these rules like, listen, don't say this, don't say that, call him this, don't call him that.
[00:49:13]  And then he's just blowing up your whole spot here.
[00:49:16]  Oh, my God.
[00:49:18]  The rarest thing in the world an Indian doctor.
[00:49:20]  Oh, my God.
[00:49:23]  You dick.
[00:49:24]  Right, right.
[00:49:24]  I'm going to get death threats from all of these anti fluorinators here in Portland.
[00:49:29]  Thanks a lot, Dick.
[00:49:32]  But I'm sorry.
[00:49:34]  A couple other points I was going to make.
[00:49:35]  Yeah, so in India, I think in the 1960s or so, there was another big contamination and kids got it there.
[00:49:42]  And then to follow up on Marty's question in terms of adverse effects, I think it's also fair to point out that.
[00:49:48]  I think 2012 or 2014, something like that.
[00:49:52]  There's a big study from Harvard that showed kids with higher fluoride levels presented with lower IQs throughout the development, also.
[00:50:02]  Yeah, they were showing that I think it was like I can't remember the exact parts per million, but every parts per million, every like 0.5 parts per million that it would go up in fluoride content, you'd lose one IQ point essentially.
[00:50:16]  They found like a pretty steady relationship between.
[00:50:20]  Overfloridization and steeply decreased IQ and impaired visual spatial organization.
[00:50:27]  Yeah, these are dumb kids who swallow a toothpaste.
[00:50:30]  I mean, maybe.
[00:50:32]  This could be a chicken or the eggs.
[00:50:36]  Right.
[00:50:36]  The one other thing I was going to point out with any studies like this, too, though, I mean, you have to give credit to the variables that you can't control.
[00:50:45]  I mean, how do you control every other variable in these kids, especially their nurture?
[00:50:49]  You know, what if their parents?
[00:50:51]  What if they come from a good socioeconomic background and thereby have a better IQ?
[00:50:55]  So, a lot of uncontrolled variables in these studies.
[00:50:58]  And IQ is such a culturally biased standard of intelligence.
[00:51:02]  It's not like we can't use IQ as the end all be all of actual intelligence.
[00:51:09]  Sure, agreed.
[00:51:09]  So, your end point, yeah, you're a good question also.
[00:51:11]  Absolutely.
[00:51:13]  I had one other fact I wanted to bring up and see what you thought of.
[00:51:18]  I stumbled upon a report from the World Health Organization.
[00:51:22]  And they showed that tooth decay prevalence was on the decline in both countries that fluoridized the water and the ones that did not.
[00:51:31]  They showed similar graphs in terms of prevalence, and it seems like it's just a modernization thing.
[00:51:37]  Evolution?
[00:51:38]  There's dietary differences that have been happening, there's other hygienic differences that have been going on over time.
[00:51:46]  And this study also showed that tooth decay was on a steep decline before countries started fluoridizing the water, and that.
[00:51:57]  Possibly it was just a trend that was happening, and this is just sort of a correlation, not causation.
[00:52:04]  Yeah, I read that too, and I agree with you.
[00:52:07]  I think the biggest thing is probably the increase in prevalence of dental hygiene and the access to toothpaste and toothbrushes and stuff like that.
[00:52:15]  I totally agree.
[00:52:16]  I think, as far as I've read, the whole movement behind fluoridating water started in the 50s.
[00:52:23]  I don't know if you guys talked about all this, by the way.
[00:52:25]  Oh, tiny bit.
[00:52:27]  We didn't get too in there.
[00:52:28]  We were trying to avoid the topic.
[00:52:30]  Let me ask you one question, Doctor, and this goes back to what we were talking to before we spoke with you.
[00:52:35]  Do you think it's in the realm of possibility that at some point in his life, Donald Trump hunted a human as game, as sport?
[00:52:46]  The most dangerous game, still.
[00:52:47]  On an island?
[00:52:48]  Because Dan asked me the question do I think Donald Trump has ever murdered anyone?
[00:52:54]  And I said if he has, there was an exclusive island for very rich and powerful men where they hunted live.
[00:53:01]  Human game.
[00:53:02]  And follow up question what would you name this island?
[00:53:05]  What would you name this island?
[00:53:06]  And a follow up to that follow up, would you, if there would be no legal repercussions, would you partake in this?
[00:53:14]  Go.
[00:53:16]  Wow.
[00:53:16]  What does this have to do with fluorination, by the way?
[00:53:21]  That I'm in fact next to him.
[00:53:24]  That's why we're fighting the brain battle, okay?
[00:53:26]  Leave that to us.
[00:53:27]  Fair enough.
[00:53:28]  I guess I would call the island the island of Dr. Gum.
[00:53:33]  Oh, wait, wait, wait.
[00:53:35]  That took a dark turn.
[00:53:36]  Hold on.
[00:53:36]  You're in charge of the island now?
[00:53:41]  Yeah, why not?
[00:53:42]  Why not?
[00:53:43]  And, you know, we could run crazy experiments, especially with fluorine and stuff.
[00:53:49]  Further.
[00:53:49]  The island, give half the people fluorine.
[00:53:51]  Further, this also implies that you're going to be trying to create animal human hybrids on this island.
[00:53:56]  Yeah.
[00:53:57]  And Marlon Brando's there for some odd reason.
[00:53:59]  And he's phoning it the fuck in.
[00:54:01]  He's not even trying.
[00:54:02]  I just, I bring that up because of two things.
[00:54:05]  I guess I remember watching that movie with you, Dan.
[00:54:08]  I don't know.
[00:54:08]  Way, way back in the day.
[00:54:09]  I was probably high as hell.
[00:54:10]  I don't remember that at all.
[00:54:11]  Yeah.
[00:54:13]  You have to see the documentary about the making of the island of Dr. Murray.
[00:54:18]  I don't know the name of it, but it is fucking awesome.
[00:54:20]  Was that back when we worked at the theater together?
[00:54:23]  That's what I was going to say.
[00:54:24]  I think this was back in our Form 8 days.
[00:54:26]  Now you're giving away so much identifying information.
[00:54:29]  I just said a theater.
[00:54:32]  Right.
[00:54:34]  You haven't talked about Form 8 specifically on your podcast?
[00:54:36]  Maybe, but I've worked at like four theaters in my life.
[00:54:39]  So there's plausible deniability.
[00:54:42]  This is only a problem if you have mentioned all the terrible crimes you committed when we worked there, too.
[00:54:49]  Did you guys hunt people at this movie theater?
[00:54:51]  Maybe.
[00:54:53]  Did we do what?
[00:54:54]  I'm sorry you cut out, Marty.
[00:54:55]  Hunting people.
[00:54:56]  Would you hunt people in this theater?
[00:55:00]  No, that's something we didn't do.
[00:55:03]  We didn't get there.
[00:55:03]  It was mostly just booze and petty theft.
[00:55:05]  That was mostly what we did.
[00:55:08]  And Dan playing Big Brother telling people not to smoke outside.
[00:55:11]  Yeah, kids.
[00:55:12]  Oh, God.
[00:55:12]  What a.
[00:55:13]  Bad day.
[00:55:16]  I got out of there before things got too wild.
[00:55:18]  I think I got out of there before he became.
[00:55:21]  The funniest fucking day was when Dr. Gums brought in his letter of resignation to a movie theater where we got paid $5.15 an hour.
[00:55:30]  He brought in a printed letter of resignation.
[00:55:33]  He was like, hey, do you think I should give this to the managers?
[00:55:36]  I'm like, just tell them you quit.
[00:55:38]  Who cares?
[00:55:38]  Dr. Gums, I did the same thing at Costco, so I appreciate that.
[00:55:43]  Yeah, you know what?
[00:55:44]  In my defense, Dan, that was my first job.
[00:55:48]  I remember that.
[00:55:49]  And I remember our manager.
[00:55:50]  I don't want to say his name on the podcast.
[00:55:52]  Oh, Dan doesn't care.
[00:55:53]  He'll say it.
[00:55:54]  Was it Rick?
[00:55:54]  Dan doesn't give a shit.
[00:55:56]  No, no, it was Joe.
[00:55:58]  Joe, yeah.
[00:55:58]  Joe was the general manager.
[00:56:00]  He was awesome.
[00:56:02]  Yeah, he was such a nice guy, and he gave me my first job.
[00:56:05]  I thought it was appropriate to bring a lot of resignation.
[00:56:07]  To be fair, we gave you your first job.

=== Resignations at Costco and Thrift Shops (15:07) ===

[00:56:10]  We got you.
[00:56:11]  I don't know if that's true at all.
[00:56:12]  We did, too.
[00:56:13]  Joe was this.
[00:56:14]  I don't know.
[00:56:15]  This awesome, salty dude who was the general manager of the theater.
[00:56:18]  And, like, he wasn't in on a lot of the shenanigans that were going on.
[00:56:20]  But we'd get drunk at the theater and we were all underage.
[00:56:23]  And one day we were drinking that, uh, that malt liquor cocktail, uh, Sublime.
[00:56:29]  You remember that?
[00:56:30]  That, uh, that, uh, lemonade booze or whatever.
[00:56:33]  And someone accidentally left, uh, one of the bottle caps in the manager's office.
[00:56:38]  Uh oh.
[00:56:38]  And so the next day when they come in to open, the manager, uh, who, I won't say her name because she doesn't deserve to be involved in any of this.
[00:56:45]  But, uh, she comes in and she's like, hey Joe, how you doing?
[00:56:47]  And he's like, I'm doing sublime.
[00:56:50]  I thought he was going to play some sublime.
[00:56:54]  No, just very obviously being like, I know what's going on, but I want you to know, but I'm not going to bust your game.
[00:57:01]  Or he would just drop sublime lyrics like, How are you doing?
[00:57:03]  Well, I don't practice Santeria.
[00:57:05]  I ain't got no crystal ball.
[00:57:07]  How were sales last night?
[00:57:08]  I ain't got no crystal ball.
[00:57:09]  Doctor, may I ask you a question?
[00:57:11]  If, again, this goes back to this whole big brother idea.
[00:57:16]  If I were president tomorrow, and I said, which, by the way, is entirely possible.
[00:57:20]  And I said, Dr. Gums, the water supply is yours.
[00:57:24]  What's one thing you would put in the water supply?
[00:57:26]  Mustard.
[00:57:28]  Come on.
[00:57:30]  I think this idea has been floated before.
[00:57:32]  I was talking to a friend about this recently, but I think, you know, why not put.
[00:57:37]  Put oral contraception in the water.
[00:57:39]  Wow.
[00:57:39]  Now you're talking about sterilization.
[00:57:42]  You're just going to ruin our.
[00:57:45]  Hold on, hold on.
[00:57:46]  I'm not done.
[00:57:46]  Okay.
[00:57:47]  I mean, and then you could.
[00:57:49]  First, I thought you said oral stimulation.
[00:57:51]  I thought, what?
[00:57:51]  You drink water and it feels like you're getting head?
[00:57:54]  No, no, contraception.
[00:57:56]  And then, you know, why not prescribe an antidote that you could take if you want to get pregnant?
[00:58:00]  It'd be a lot easier, would prevent a lot of teenage pregnancies, I feel like.
[00:58:04]  Well, but would STDs go crazy, though?
[00:58:06]  It's possible.
[00:58:07]  Then maybe STDs go on the rise.
[00:58:08]  Still have condoms around.
[00:58:10]  But, uh, Gummy.
[00:58:11]  Gummy.
[00:58:12]  Yeah, you still have to put a condom on, sure.
[00:58:14]  Gummy, first of all, this is retarded.
[00:58:16]  Here's the reason.
[00:58:17]  One, what about the effect it would have on children?
[00:58:19]  Because wouldn't it have to have some sort of testosterone or estrogen basis in order to.
[00:58:26]  Dan, I don't have a mechanism of action for this hypothetical drug.
[00:58:30]  Listen, I put you in charge.
[00:58:31]  Damn it, Dr. Gums.
[00:58:34]  Damn it, Gums.
[00:58:37]  I put you in charge of the water supply and you've ruined our kids.
[00:58:41]  I would.
[00:58:43]  Also, the secondary thing is, like, it wouldn't be able to affect men and women simultaneously.
[00:58:48]  You'd only be targeting women, right?
[00:58:51]  Well, I mean, we could go both ways, and then, you know, the party or the couple would both have to take the antidote to make a baby.
[00:58:58]  Now you're talking about men's drinking fountains and women's drinking fountains.
[00:59:01]  Basically, you'd have to separate the water supply for men and for women because you'd need a different chemical.
[00:59:06]  I like the idea of how in idiocracy they became mountain babies.
[00:59:09]  This is a wonder drug, Dan.
[00:59:11]  Wow.
[00:59:12]  Here's what I would do, and I'd like to pitch this to you, Gummy.
[00:59:15]  Uh,.
[00:59:16]  Since you're now in charge of the water supply, mild hallucinogen.
[00:59:22]  No, I'm out.
[00:59:23]  I'm out.
[00:59:24]  No, no go.
[00:59:25]  Haven't you read those studies, though, about some people who do microdoses of acid in the morning?
[00:59:30]  It has an effect that's similar to coffee, and productivity is raised, and mushrooms for PTSD.
[00:59:37]  Honestly, I've heard of that, and I think recently it was a subject on the Adam Corella Dr. Drew show, and I meant to listen to that, but I don't know much about microdosing at all.
[00:59:50]  It doesn't sound like a good idea to me at all, but I have to admit, I don't know anything about microdosing.
[00:59:55]  Put a little in the mangrea.
[00:59:57]  You can get some over there at adamcarola.com.
[01:00:00]  Put a little acid in the mangrea, baby doll.
[01:00:02]  I have a little bit.
[01:00:05]  Terrible impression.
[01:00:05]  Done my mark.
[01:00:06]  Did you see the stuff he was saying about how black dads need to stay around and it'll save society?
[01:00:12]  It's like, damn, dude.
[01:00:13]  Hot take.
[01:00:14]  Hot take, Ace.
[01:00:15]  Yeah, Ace Man.
[01:00:18]  Stick to talking about street fights when you were 19.
[01:00:22]  I haven't listened to an episode in a long time.
[01:00:26]  I just saw it as a topic on one of the podcasts that said microdosing.
[01:00:30]  I really want to.
[01:00:31]  And now Black Dad's jumping on trampolines.
[01:00:36]  I loved Loveline back when we were younger men, but these days.
[01:00:41]  Dr. Gums, who would you say is the main reason why you got into this?
[01:00:44]  Ben, do you have the recordings of Loveline that we saved on our hard drives?
[01:00:48]  Do you still have that collection?
[01:00:49]  I don't because they're all like, Pretty much available on YouTube and like various sites online.
[01:00:54]  There's no reason to have hard copies anymore.
[01:00:56]  It's all out there.
[01:00:58]  Was Dr. Drew an influence getting you into medicine, Dr. Gums?
[01:01:00]  No, come on.
[01:01:01]  Let me answer this for you.
[01:01:02]  It was your parents.
[01:01:05]  Dan, now I know his parents were doctors.
[01:01:08]  Oh my god.
[01:01:09]  Dan, that's really true, but how dare you?
[01:01:15]  That's fair, but I can't count the number of times we had conversations about you possibly going into something other than medicine and being like, my parents would not be happy about this.
[01:01:26]  I mean, not that you don't like medicine.
[01:01:29]  Do you remember the alternatives that you suggested or what?
[01:01:32]  I think I wanted you to be a trip hop DJ for a while.
[01:01:36]  Ha ha ha.
[01:01:39]  Sure.
[01:01:39]  I did like more Chiba a lot.
[01:01:41]  You loved more Chiba?
[01:01:42]  You wanted to start a spearhead cover band?
[01:01:46]  Dude, I was never into spearhead, bro.
[01:01:48]  Come on.
[01:01:51]  I don't think I was, but that's fine.
[01:01:53]  Be that as it may.
[01:01:54]  Yeah, I love my job.
[01:01:55]  I'm glad I'm in medicine.
[01:01:57]  I love it.
[01:01:58]  But let me take back my answer.
[01:02:00]  Would you consider Dr. Drew an influence back to Marty's question?
[01:02:04]  Honestly, I don't think I listened to Loveline before I started thinking about medicine.
[01:02:09]  I think I was kind of on that path already.
[01:02:12]  And then I did listen to a lot of Loveline back in the day.
[01:02:14]  And I wouldn't say that he was an influence, but I respect him.
[01:02:19]  I think he's a good doctor, especially back in the Loveline days, man.
[01:02:22]  I don't know if he practices a ton of clinical medicine now, but looking back now that I know a lot more about clinical medicine, he's a smart dude.
[01:02:30]  He's really intelligent and knows his stuff really well.
[01:02:34]  And the fact that he was handling being an actual doctor and doing a radio show till midnight that kind of schedule is fucking bananas.
[01:02:41]  I find I still quote stuff I learned on Loveline.
[01:02:44]  Yeah.
[01:02:45]  Yeah, to this day.
[01:02:46]  I talk about pearly penile papules.
[01:02:48]  I don't even know what that is.
[01:02:49]  Yeah, sure.
[01:02:51]  Sure, sure.
[01:02:51]  Yeah.
[01:02:52]  Yeah, it's good stuff, man.
[01:02:54]  I really enjoyed listening to that and brings back memories of us listening to that shit a long time ago.
[01:02:59]  Yeah.
[01:02:59]  About what, 20 years ago or so?
[01:03:01]  Yeah.
[01:03:01]  I like that.
[01:03:02]  We've known each other too long.
[01:03:03]  Long time.
[01:03:04]  Too long.
[01:03:05]  Yeah, but sorry to interrupt and change the topic.
[01:03:08]  But the one thing I didn't read about in terms of fluorine was the whole conspiracy theory.
[01:03:13]  Have you guys gotten into that yet?
[01:03:15]  We have not.
[01:03:15]  We have not.
[01:03:16]  And actually, thanks for transitioning.
[01:03:19]  To that, you're a better host than I, apparently.
[01:03:21]  But one of the big things is, and it almost is, the hole is poked in it a little bit because of the idea of the organofluorines, which we talked about earlier, that they don't really have an active presence in these pharmaceuticals.
[01:03:37]  People, a lot of people believe that the fluoride in the water is to pacify the public and to sort of microdose them with antidepressants that make them sluggish and ineffectual and unable to get about their business.
[01:03:49]  But I say this to that, what if.
[01:03:52]  What if I need antidepressants?
[01:03:55]  Go to a doctor.
[01:03:56]  But I don't take it.
[01:03:58]  Then I drink the water, and now I'm right where I need to be.
[01:04:02]  I don't know.
[01:04:03]  Now you've just made me woke.
[01:04:06]  I don't keep saying that.
[01:04:07]  You've made me.
[01:04:08]  I'm big on woke today.
[01:04:09]  But now, American government, you've cured me of my depression.
[01:04:14]  Yeah.
[01:04:14]  And now I'm motivated, and I'm out in the world, and I'm doing a podcast exposing you.
[01:04:20]  So your fucking tricks just backfired.
[01:04:23]  This is cyclical at this point.
[01:04:24]  And you just cured me of my depression.
[01:04:27]  And now I'm a fucking soldier in the brain battle.
[01:04:30]  See how that backfired on you, Uncle Sam?
[01:04:34]  I think that the only thing that I find slightly compelling, and I don't know if it's intentional, but we're talking about the calcification of bones and teeth and stuff.
[01:04:45]  Apparently, another function of fluoride has is the calcification of your pineal gland.
[01:04:51]  Right.
[01:04:52]  Okay.
[01:04:52]  I didn't read about this, but okay.
[01:04:54]  The pineal gland is.
[01:04:55]  I mean, whenever I hear the pineal gland, I think.
[01:04:59]  You know, some far-fetched theory, but go ahead.
[01:05:01]  Yeah, you think, uh-oh, hippie coming.
[01:05:03]  Uh-oh.
[01:05:04]  Right.
[01:05:05]  But I thought that's what Native Americans call penises.
[01:05:11]  Oh, boy.
[01:05:11]  That is true also, Marty.
[01:05:12]  Thank you, Doc.
[01:05:13]  Doc, I need you to do me a favor.
[01:05:15]  I have an ex-girlfriend who moved to Portland.
[01:05:17]  Oh, wow.
[01:05:18]  Marty.
[01:05:18]  And I need you to just go into her thrift store that she owns and just go, God, you know who's great?
[01:05:23]  Is that Marty DeRosa?
[01:05:25]  I heard him on a podcast the other day.
[01:05:28]  Man, oh, man.
[01:05:29]  Oh, was that just something else?
[01:05:31]  Boy, I tell you what.
[01:05:32]  Are you guys.
[01:05:33]  Are you guys going to plug her shop, or are you going to tell me offline?
[01:05:37]  I don't know what her shop is called.
[01:05:38]  Well, certainly you can find it because there aren't many thrift shops in Portland.
[01:05:42]  Yeah, right.
[01:05:42]  Just go find an attractive little girl with tattoos running a thrift shop.
[01:05:47]  Marty's got a type.
[01:05:49]  So, the thing with the pineal gland, I don't know a whole ton, but from what I understand, it's theoretically responsible for vividness of dreams, and it secretes the compound of DMT.
[01:06:05]  And apparently, when you die, your brain is flooded with DMT from the pineal gland.
[01:06:11]  And it's responsible largely for probably some of the near death experiences that people have.
[01:06:21]  The people who are super into the pineal gland would argue that it is your third eye and that it is what connects you with spirit and those sorts of things.
[01:06:31]  And so, the idea that fluoride calcifies that gland that is your higher self to some extent.
[01:06:37]  People see that as a conspiracy that the people in charge don't want you to know your potential.
[01:06:42]  They don't want you to be able to connect largely with the spiritual aspect of yourself.
[01:06:47]  And that follows from human history.
[01:06:50]  I mean, the early churches, they had the Holy of Holies.
[01:06:53]  They had the area of the church that only the priest could go to, and you would talk to the priest, and the priest would talk to God for you.
[01:07:00]  You weren't able to connect immediately with God.
[01:07:04]  There's a division from the divine that the power in place always seems to want to create.
[01:07:11]  Sure.
[01:07:12]  And who are these people, by the way?
[01:07:14]  The American government?
[01:07:15]  No, man, it's the Illuminati.
[01:07:16]  They've been at this for a while.
[01:07:19]  Right.
[01:07:20]  I hear they have a big presence in the EPA, they have a big representation.
[01:07:24]  They have infiltrated the EPA.
[01:07:27]  Right.
[01:07:28]  20% of the CDC is made up of by the Illuminati, is what I read, too.
[01:07:33]  This 20% number keeps coming back.
[01:07:36]  Maybe now we'll call them the 20%ers.
[01:07:38]  Oh, boy.
[01:07:39]  I have to admit, I don't know much about the pineal gland, and I didn't really read much about it.
[01:07:45]  Penial gland calcification.
[01:07:46]  I don't know much about it, but I know I don't like your pronunciation.
[01:07:50]  Yeah.
[01:07:51]  Of the pineal gland?
[01:07:52]  Yeah, it sounds like penile, bro.
[01:07:54]  I'm getting a little titillated every time you say it.
[01:07:56]  Every time you say it, I'm going, Marty's a two on the hustler scale right now.
[01:08:02]  How do you say it, Dan?
[01:08:04]  Pineal gland?
[01:08:04]  Pineal.
[01:08:06]  Pineal, okay, sure.
[01:08:07]  You say pineal.
[01:08:09]  I say pineal.
[01:08:11]  Let's call this off.
[01:08:13]  Let's pull this off.
[01:08:15]  You know, all these conspiracies, too, I mean, This might be a dumb question, but have you followed the money?
[01:08:21]  Is there big money in fluoride?
[01:08:23]  Doc. Qui bono is the classic question.
[01:08:27]  Who benefits?
[01:08:29]  Follow the money.
[01:08:31]  I don't know.
[01:08:31]  I mean, there is a school of thought, and I don't know if this is still the case or if it ever really was the case, but fluoride is also an industrial waste product.
[01:08:41]  And the idea of trying to dispose of it is very difficult because you would cause a lot of pollution.
[01:08:49]  That sort of thing.
[01:08:50]  And so, if you want to talk about who benefits, back in the day it would have been people who have a surplus of industrial fluoride waste and need to get it somewhere.
[01:08:58]  They can then sell it to municipalities, put it in the water.
[01:09:02]  It doesn't really cause it.
[01:09:04]  Marty's laughing.
[01:09:05]  I'm just thinking.
[01:09:07]  A Jack Black movie called School of Thought, where he teaches a bunch of young kids about conspiracy theories.
[01:09:14]  Don't say this on the air.
[01:09:15]  Write it down.
[01:09:16]  Write it down.
[01:09:17]  We got money in the bank right here.
[01:09:21]  So that's a possible someone benefiting.
[01:09:25]  Right.
[01:09:26]  Marty's losing it.
[01:09:27]  You're right.
[01:09:27]  I can't think of anything besides School of Thought.
[01:09:31]  All right.
[01:09:31]  Sorry.
[01:09:33]  I also, uh, you know, read about how, you know, a lot of the fluoride that we do use for fluorination of water, you know, comes from byproducts of pesticides.
[01:09:45]  And, uh, and, uh, you know, we buy a lot of that off of, I, I, you know, this is another Chinese conspiracy, but apparently we get a lot of that fluoride from the Chinese.
[01:09:56]  So, so that's something else that I read in terms of, uh, big pharma, or a big, uh, business.
[01:10:01]  And we owe the Chinese a shit ton of money.
[01:10:03]  We gotta, you know, we gotta take their trash and put it in Feed it to the people.
[01:10:07]  I like that idea.
[01:10:08]  Follow the money.
[01:10:09]  Who's benefiting?
[01:10:11]  Qui bono.
[01:10:12]  Population control.
[01:10:13]  I think that's going to be.
[01:10:14]  I mean.
[01:10:15]  There are some tests on animals that they've done with fluoride that show a pretty real connection with sperm damage and increased infertility, too.
[01:10:23]  There you go, Doc.
[01:10:24]  So it might already be halfway to your putting birth control in the water.
[01:10:29]  There you go.
[01:10:30]  And you'll eventually have to get the antidote if you want to have a kid.
[01:10:35]  Man, you're just creating a children of men situation.
[01:10:38]  We're going to end up in a world where no one can reproduce.
[01:10:42]  That's a dark future you've advocated.
[01:10:46]  Was that the theme of that movie where somebody put something in the water and nobody didn't have kids?
[01:10:51]  No.
[01:10:51]  I thought the reason was unknown.
[01:10:53]  No, it was pretty unknown.
[01:10:55]  I think it was maybe environmental or something like that.
[01:10:58]  But yeah, it wasn't water.
[01:10:59]  But I'm just saying that your proposal would lead to that, I think.
[01:11:05]  You know what?
[01:11:07]  If that does come down to the end of time, Dan, then.
[01:11:10]  Then you're welcome to the island of Dr. Gum.
[01:11:12]  Thank you.
[01:11:12]  There's a utopian society out there.
[01:11:14]  Yeah.
[01:11:15]  Now, granted, it's a utopia, but you've got to run.

=== Prescribing Spices Against Environmental Fears (07:19) ===

[01:11:17]  Yeah.
[01:11:18]  You've got to always be on the move.
[01:11:19]  Yeah.
[01:11:20]  I also feel like Dr. Gum, you're going to invite us to the island, and then quickly we find out we're not hunting people.
[01:11:26]  We're the hunted.
[01:11:27]  Yeah.
[01:11:28]  Yeah.
[01:11:28]  That's a classic ruse of the people who have murder islands.
[01:11:31]  Always.
[01:11:33]  Yeah.
[01:11:33]  I would dare say 20% of the time.
[01:11:35]  Here's me the whole way going to a murder island.
[01:11:38]  This is me on a private jet the entire way to a murder island.
[01:11:43]  You sure I'm murdering someone?
[01:11:44]  I'm not the hunted.
[01:11:45]  Dude.
[01:11:46]  Please.
[01:11:46]  Seriously, you're fine.
[01:11:48]  I'm going to ask you one more time, and I'm asking you as a friend.
[01:11:51]  Uh huh.
[01:11:51]  Am I hunting, or am I the one being hunted?
[01:11:54]  Dude, you're so paranoid.
[01:11:55]  Shake my hand.
[01:11:56]  Here, here's my hand.
[01:11:57]  All right.
[01:11:58]  Swear on your children.
[01:11:59]  Look, I don't have any kids, but I swear.
[01:12:01]  It's fine.
[01:12:01]  Everything's fine.
[01:12:02]  I have three kids.
[01:12:03]  Oh, no.
[01:12:05]  All right.
[01:12:06]  Well, I hate to be rude, but I'm going to hang up and make a few phone calls that I need to.
[01:12:14]  No, I understand.
[01:12:15]  I think we got to the bottom of this for the most part.
[01:12:18]  Yeah, I was going to say, I don't mean to keep you guys from talking about the conspiracy more, and I'm glad I was somewhat able to contribute on the medical side.
[01:12:26]  Yeah, it's a delight to.
[01:12:29]  If anything else comes up, I was going to say, I'll certainly text you or, you know, if I have any other thoughts and whatnot, too.
[01:12:35]  But, you know, you guys are more than welcome to come to Portland anytime and drink some non fluorinated water.
[01:12:40]  That'd be wonderful.
[01:12:42]  And stop talking about it.
[01:12:43]  We do a live podcast from the banks of the Willamette River with Marty's potential new girlfriend, potential old girlfriend.
[01:12:50]  Hey, one question before you hang on.
[01:12:51]  Oh, girlfriend.
[01:12:53]  Yeah.
[01:12:53]  So, some people believe that you can undo the calcification that fluoride causes by taking turmeric.
[01:13:00]  Is there any possibility that that's true?
[01:13:05]  I honestly didn't run across anything on my superficial readings on fluoride about turmeric and stuff.
[01:13:11]  And to be completely honest, I'm terrible when it comes to herbal medications.
[01:13:15]  I mean, I know the ones that interact with, you know, quote unquote normal pharmaceuticals, and I watch out for that kind of stuff.
[01:13:22]  But honestly, then, I never prescribe turmeric for anything.
[01:13:27]  It's over the counter, though.
[01:13:29]  You need to prescribe a spice.
[01:13:31]  I've never recommended, I should say, that somebody take turmeric for anything.
[01:13:35]  I mean, people in India use it for an antiseptic use, but I've never heard it for removing toxins or fluoride or anything like that, to be honest.
[01:13:44]  Good to know.
[01:13:45]  All right.
[01:13:45]  Well, thanks for calling in.
[01:13:46]  We've enjoyed this time together, and I'm sure we'll talk on the air again soon whenever we have another dumb medical question.
[01:13:54]  Sounds good, man.
[01:13:55]  You guys have a good day.
[01:13:56]  Thanks, Dr. Gums.
[01:13:58]  Man, I'm so proud I didn't say his name.
[01:13:59]  Yeah, you really.
[01:14:01]  It's so hard.
[01:14:03]  You were revealing a lot of clues there, a lot of Easter eggs in that video.
[01:14:06]  Yeah, a lot of people could figure it out.
[01:14:07]  All right, so anyway, to sum up this, it's interesting that he wasn't negative.
[01:14:14]  No.
[01:14:14]  He wasn't like, this is stupid.
[01:14:15]  Because I thought a medical perspective would 100% be like, this is garbage, this is gobbledygook, this is a bunch of malarkey, flim flam, oompus boompus.
[01:14:25]  The odds that he lives in one of the only places where.
[01:14:29]  They're actively having a brain battle about this every couple years.
[01:14:34]  It's pretty nuts.
[01:14:35]  In their political system.
[01:14:39]  Very interesting.
[01:14:39]  Pretty weird.
[01:14:41]  So, what's your conclusion?
[01:14:44]  My conclusion.
[01:14:45]  I think this is one of those, though not as sexy as some theories, it's definitely one of those where you can let your mind wander and go, yeah, we all drink water.
[01:14:56]  If they did want to put something in there, what can stop them?
[01:14:59]  It would be the perfect thing to do to poison the water.
[01:15:01]  And who knows?
[01:15:02]  And again, it's not this idea of poisoning, but it might be this idea of subduing or putting something in us where one day, if it's mixed like the one Batman movie, where it's mixed with something else, then all of a sudden, uh oh, we got a problem.
[01:15:18]  So I think that anytime something is, I mean, here's the other thing too.
[01:15:24]  People could go, okay, you're freaked out that there might be fluoride, there's some fluoride in your water.
[01:15:30]  If I go to your freezer, And pull out a frozen pizza, which you famously have.
[01:15:35]  Maybe too many of them.
[01:15:36]  What are some of the things in that?
[01:15:37]  Probably a lot of garbage.
[01:15:38]  Right.
[01:15:39]  And I've been smoking while we record this.
[01:15:41]  You have been smoking nonstop.
[01:15:43]  I've had like two.
[01:15:44]  Three.
[01:15:45]  I've been counting.
[01:15:46]  I've been counting.
[01:15:47]  And I'm just going, you know what?
[01:15:48]  I'm going home after this.
[01:15:49]  It's not a problem.
[01:15:49]  But I think that this is definitely one of those where I could see somebody who is a little more open to the idea of there being some shady things going on from our government.
[01:16:00]  I could definitely see.
[01:16:01]  You would say we would describe that as paranoid.
[01:16:03]  Maybe.
[01:16:04]  Maybe.
[01:16:05]  Or awake.
[01:16:05]  Fine.
[01:16:06]  Woke.
[01:16:07]  Woke.
[01:16:07]  Slash paranoid.
[01:16:07]  I'm sorry I keep saying that.
[01:16:08]  I will not say it anymore on this podcast.
[01:16:10]  But I could see where this is one of those where it's like, I don't know.
[01:16:13]  This is kind of like one of those like, oh, you really slid under the door on this one.
[01:16:18]  Yeah, I kind of agree with that.
[01:16:20]  My position is that I do think that the powers that be don't want people to recognize what they're capable of.
[01:16:27]  Sure.
[01:16:28]  Otherwise, they would be definitely advocating way more meditation.
[01:16:33]  They'd be recommending way more healthy behaviors as opposed to.
[01:16:37]  Like, it's insane that we have a culture where alcohol is widely advertised and available, and marijuana has been a decades long fight to become legalized.
[01:16:48]  Some may say that.
[01:16:49]  It's nonsense that I'm allowed to smoke.
[01:16:51]  Pokemon Go is the new fluoride in the water.
[01:16:54]  It's an insane distraction technique.
[01:16:57]  I think that there's maybe some credence to that.
[01:16:59]  Now, whether that's an intentional thing or not is a whole other question.
[01:17:02]  But I think that if the pineal gland being calcified is real, if that is a real thing, and the pineal gland is the third eye kind of thing, then yeah, it makes sense.
[01:17:16]  It follows a pattern of control that governments have had for millennia.
[01:17:21]  Yeah.
[01:17:23]  And it's also one of those where it's like, if this is what we do know about, there might be a thing like, let them know about the fluoride.
[01:17:29]  Like a limited hangout.
[01:17:30]  Yeah, give them that fluoride.
[01:17:31]  Yeah.
[01:17:32]  Crum.
[01:17:33]  I also drink bottled water most of the time just in case.
[01:17:37]  Oh, because you trust those companies.
[01:17:39]  Well, Ice Mountain is one that doesn't have fluoride in it.
[01:17:42]  But who knows what else is in it?
[01:17:44]  Natural spring water, my friend.
[01:17:46]  And there was a short period of time where I was taking turmeric just in case.
[01:17:51]  Just in case.
[01:17:51]  So I'm not the smartest guy in the world.
[01:17:54]  I don't think that this is total bullshit.
[01:17:56]  But I also don't think it's necessarily some sort of weird evil design.
[01:18:01]  So that's where I'm at, right in the middle.
[01:18:03]  Yeah, I think we're somewhere between guys, there's nothing to worry about, and guys, come to my island and hunt somebody.
[01:18:09]  The fact that it is like a byproduct that's waste and needs to get rid of is the sort of thing also that's like, well, we've got to do something with it.
[01:18:16]  We can't pollute.
[01:18:17]  Oh, there's this application for it.
[01:18:19]  So even if it's not evil, it is just the thing where it's like, eh, fucking put it there, put it in the water.
[01:18:23]  Yeah.
[01:18:24]  Which is crazy.
[01:18:25]  I think it would be real fun for.
[01:18:28]  Like with the presidential debates coming up, how there'll be like one on Fox, one on MSNBC, one on this.
[01:18:33]  If there would be also like one on like just some weird conspiracy theory website.

=== Polluting Water for Presidential Debates (03:40) ===

[01:18:37]  I love it.
[01:18:38]  Where it's just like the questions are so off the wall.
[01:18:41]  One on AboveTopSecret.com.
[01:18:43]  Sure.
[01:18:45]  In regards to the airport in Colorado, and they're both just like.
[01:18:49]  What's up with that mural, Bernie?
[01:18:50]  Yeah.
[01:18:51]  How far down does that go, that airport?
[01:18:53]  Yeah.
[01:18:54]  You guys got weird tunnels down there.
[01:18:56]  You got homes for whenever the collapse comes.
[01:18:58]  Hi.
[01:18:59]  Marty from whatsupwithbuilding7.com.
[01:19:04]  I've already asked my question.
[01:19:05]  Yes, yes.
[01:19:05]  Yeah, that's enough.
[01:19:08]  All right, so I guess, you know, whatever.
[01:19:19]  We really did.
[01:19:21]  That's, that should be our slogan.
[01:19:23]  We tried.
[01:19:24]  We really did.
[01:19:24]  We tried.
[01:19:25]  Dot, dot, dot.
[01:19:26]  We really did.
[01:19:27]  Well, with a topic like this especially, it's not, it's not that compelling.
[01:19:31]  It's not.
[01:19:31]  It's hard to study.
[01:19:32]  It's not sexy.
[01:19:33]  I said this when we were in the, when we were in the writer's room.
[01:19:35]  Yeah.
[01:19:36]  I said, guys, this is not sexy.
[01:19:37]  It's, uh, it's, the idea of social control is fairly sexy, but this is only, it only has a dangling chad of social control in it.
[01:19:46]  Uh, a lot of it is wrapped up in medical stuff we don't really understand.
[01:19:49]  I think Dr. Gums elucidated a good bit of that.
[01:19:51]  Yeah.
[01:19:52]  I think, uh, so.
[01:19:53]  Anyway, I told that Harvard writer Mordecai Goldenstein bomb.
[01:19:57]  Oh, boy.
[01:19:57]  Listen, I don't think this is sexy.
[01:19:59]  And he was like, Drost me, it's great.
[01:20:01]  Salvage.
[01:20:01]  This episode will be a mitzvah.
[01:20:03]  It's going to be a good episode.
[01:20:05]  So people can follow you at Marty DeRosa.
[01:20:07]  They can, and they can follow you at Freezing Point.
[01:20:09]  Yes.
[01:20:10]  And please check out Marty and Sarah Shocky's podcast, Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling, over on the MLW network.
[01:20:16]  That's right.
[01:20:16]  We're going all solo, no longer on the feed next week.
[01:20:20]  So please rate, review, subscribe.
[01:20:22]  It's important that you guys help them establish their own individual presence.
[01:20:26]  So important.
[01:20:27]  Let's keep us in the 100s.
[01:20:29]  That you keep you firmly entrenched.
[01:20:32]  Firmly entrenched in beating Vince Russo's podcast.
[01:20:35]  And then, of course, wrestlingwithdepression.com.
[01:20:38]  Yep.
[01:20:39]  Dan, you were the guest this past week.
[01:20:41]  Yeah.
[01:20:41]  And man, are people excited when you're on.
[01:20:43]  It's super fun.
[01:20:44]  I really enjoy the couple of people who like me.
[01:20:48]  No, people like me, but I like the couple of people who seem to always tweet at you whenever I'm on.
[01:20:53]  I enjoy that.
[01:20:54]  That's very nice.
[01:20:54]  Drugs Delaney's a big fan.
[01:20:56]  Big shout out to Drugs.
[01:20:57]  I'm worried about you.
[01:21:00]  He's good.
[01:21:00]  He's doing all right.
[01:21:01]  Yeah.
[01:21:01]  He's doing all right.
[01:21:03]  Also, of course, comediansyoushouldknow.com.
[01:21:05]  Show you have every Wednesday here in Chicago and around the country other days.
[01:21:09]  Yep.
[01:21:09]  Super great stuff.
[01:21:11]  And Freezing Point.
[01:21:12]  Yeah, that's our one stop destination for podcasts you can listen to.
[01:21:17]  Sure.
[01:21:17]  When you just need to listen to a podcast.
[01:21:19]  A big shout out to my boy Berger.
[01:21:21]  Whew.
[01:21:21]  Old friend of mine.
[01:21:22]  He, Dr. Gums and I used to swing together in Missouri.
[01:21:25]  He just recently discovered the show, and I'm super excited about how often he keeps tweeting or texting at me.
[01:21:31]  You know what?
[01:21:31]  I was at The gathering of the Juggalos this past weekend, and there was a freestyle rap battle.
[01:21:38]  Uh huh.
[01:21:39]  And I was like, God, why can't Far out be here and just fucking kill all these fucking pretenders to the throne?
[01:21:46]  Yeah, next year, uh, I'm gonna get my press passes in order, go to the gathering, bring Far out, bring Bobby Buds because it's like him going to Mecca.
[01:21:53]  Yeah, he's got to go make a pilgrimage.
[01:21:55]  Sure, uh, then we'll just make bedlam of that place, just have the best time.
[01:22:00]  Sure, I'll get you some press passes next time.
[01:22:02]  You son of a bitch, two weeks late.
[01:22:05]  For this year.
[01:22:06]  All right.
[01:22:07]  Well, Marty, this has been fun.
[01:22:08]  It's been great, Dan.
[01:22:09]  Guys, we'll catch you next time here in Boomtown.
[01:22:12]  But until then, I've been Bogle Jub, the White Mystery.
[01:22:14]  Now, please get out there, go do your job, which, of course, is loving someone.

=== Drones, Pilgrimages, and Press Passes (02:53) ===

[01:22:18]  And not drinking the water.
[01:22:19]  Don't drink the water.
[01:22:20]  There's blood in the water.
[01:22:22]  Dave Matthews.
[01:22:29]  That's what they want you to think.
[01:22:32]  That's what they want you to think.
[01:22:34]  That's what they want you to think That's what they want you to think That is what they want you to think You to think and you to drink.
[01:23:01]  They put fluoride in the water to make you less interested in all the evil things that your government is doing.
[01:23:12]  We got drones.
[01:23:13]  Sorry about what I said earlier.
[01:23:14]  We got drones.
[01:23:17]  Dr. Gum's real name is.
[01:23:23]  We beat that out.
[01:23:27]  Cause we don't want.
[01:23:28]  You to know who the fuck he is.
[01:23:33]  We literally a doctor, we would lose his license if everyone knew the shit we used to do.
[01:23:54]  Just when you think it's over, I'm back with another line to this song about Hunting human life for game Because you are rich,
[01:24:13]  you can do whatever you want Human life is game When you've got more money than you know what to do Really thought you just said human life is game?
[01:24:29]  I'm sorry.
[01:24:37]  I'm back for one more bar, cause I can't stop doing this.
[01:24:42]  I want to say one more thing.
[01:24:45]  I think the president will be Donald Trump.
[01:24:53]  But he will not retake it.
[01:24:55]  He will cite something.
[01:24:57]  No, I don't know.
[01:24:58]  I think he's gonna win the popular vote.
[01:25:03]  But not the electoral college, and then it'll be a moral victory for him.
[01:25:11]  Shout out to my fans.