Pierre Poilievre and Patrick dissect Joe Rogan's interview, exposing how the Canadian PM dismissed the "Trudeau is Fidel Castro" theory without refutation while fact-checking his MAID comments regarding Keanu Vafayan. They highlight Poilievre's failure to correct Rogan's false claim that Vafayan suffered only from depression, ignoring his severe Type 1 diabetes and blindness. The analysis extends to Polly Evans' similar rhetoric on garbage schedules and healthcare incentives, arguing both politicians privately engage in conspiratorial thinking despite public denials. Ultimately, this behavior reveals a "crack in the foundation" where political figures normalize misinformation, undermining trust in Canadian leadership and medical ethics. [Automatically generated summary]
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Truth Unrestricted Returns00:04:19
And we're back with Truth Unrestricted, the podcast that is creating and interpreting the language of the disinformation age.
And I'm Spencer, your host, back again today with Patrick.
How are you doing, Patrick?
I'm good, Spencer.
How are you?
Good.
Feeling really good.
We have a good episode today.
I, fairly recently, within just the last few weeks, a prominent person in our Canadian political world, Pierre Polyev, with the alliterative name, went on Joe Rogan.
And a lot of people had a lot of things to say.
Most of them had the exact same thing to say, which involved one single clip that's like 30 seconds long.
We're going to play that.
And I didn't like what most of them had to say.
I think most of them missed a great many things that were important.
Just yesterday, I finally started catching some people saying some things that were related to what I noticed when I heard it.
But it was too late.
I already planned this episode, so we're doing it.
Screw that.
We get our own kick at the, I shouldn't say kicking a cat.
That's not how we do this anymore.
We used to say that stuff way back in the 90s.
But times have changed.
We get our own SWAT at the pinata here.
In the hope that some candy can fall out.
Everyone else already.
I'm using a pinata, though, you know.
Well, okay.
To honor the plight of cats that have been kicked and skinned.
I get all these terrible things.
I'm not even sure.
Yeah, I've never used a pinata.
I don't know what it's for.
But I know the candy comes out if, you know, it breaks.
But yeah, if you put candy in there, there's other ideas.
We won't get into those.
That sounds like a distraction that we don't need to get into today.
Yeah, I just.
I should say, I should say before I start this that I promised my lovely wife, who is in the next room now watching television, that I wouldn't yell.
All right.
But I will say, when I started this podcast a long time ago, I attempted for a long time to not use any swear words, any not do that.
I kept that up for a while.
After a while, I decided about a year ago that we're not going to do that anymore, maybe a year and a half ago.
We're not going to do that anymore.
We're going to go ahead and take the handcuffs off there and we're going to swear.
And every once in a while, we do throw one out there.
But I will say tonight, an extra disclaimer.
I am going to be heavily emphasizing some things verbally using curse words.
So it's going to be more than the usual amount by a margin because that's how this works.
And also, before I forget, I have to keep remembering to do the credit for the theme music that was written for me specifically at my request by my good friend, Jeff Powell.
And I got to remember to always put that out because I said I would.
And also, while I'm at it, if you have any questions, comments, complaints, concerns about anything you hear on this podcast, you want to tell me about how I got it all wrong or how about how I got it right, whatever, send that email to truthunrestricted at gmail.com.
And I'm still moving with the.
If you give me legitimate feedback and you let me know what, you know, if you want a picture of a dog or a cat, just let me know which one.
I will send you your own picture of one of my real pets.
Very nice.
I haven't had a chance to get any feedback from the last one yet because that just aired yesterday as we record this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this could be the episode that gets some keys clicking, right?
Defining The Normie00:03:39
Having Polyev's name in the title will get some comments, at least on YouTube.
Yeah.
But you have to email it in.
Otherwise, I won't send a picture of one of my pets.
Mm hmm.
It's all these little stipulations.
Contest rules.
Yeah.
Okay.
So getting right into it.
So you knew about this, right?
I mean, you're, you're, you, you see, we have to talk about this too, Patrick.
You're, okay.
You are what is usually referred to as a normie.
Have you ever been referred to as a normie?
Well, I mean, perhaps in political circles, sure.
I mean, I think a lot of fields or interests that intersect with normal society, but are usually practiced or engaged with people who are very technical with it, will have, you know, like when I look at market analysis, I look at normies, right?
Like what the mass retail people tend to think.
And then you kind of elevate whatever your discussion is out of that normal bubbling of.
Whatever average understanding.
So, when it comes to politics, I would consider myself a normie because I don't engage a lot with, especially provincial, federal, party politics, things at that level.
I'm more focused on municipal stuff.
Yeah.
Well, from a conspiratorial perspective, especially the conspiratorial analysis, you'd also be considered a normie, both from the aspect of conspiracy theory.
Or ideation, and also from the aspect of people who debunk and work against those ideas.
Sure.
Yeah, I think that's fair to say.
I mean, that's kind of akin to a layman, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the same thing as a layman.
Well, I would consider myself pretty lay.
I would not use layman because it implies that there's an advanced level of knowledge required to move yourself away from the layman perspective.
There is knowledge required, but it's not like degree level knowledge, right?
It's not like you need to understand physics.
You don't need to understand math to any degree.
It would be like some people are really into the Wheel of Time, and some people are just more casually into things like the Wheel of Time, right?
So you wouldn't need a degree to move from being a layman about the Wheel of Time to being like a really hardcore fan of the Wheel of Time.
You just need to read the books.
You know what I mean?
Like, Or like, you know, Star Trek or Star Wars, the same thing.
They're kind of a layman's understanding of one of those franchises.
But all you need to do is just watch the media that's about that particular franchise, and then you're up to speed.
You know what I mean?
You can be there.
You can maybe you want to be more hardcore.
You can look into all the Reddit threads and everything else.
But like, it doesn't take going to school.
It doesn't take any like, you know, really, really advanced knowledge.
So that's why I think Normie is a more apt.
Word for this.
You're, you are in the, you know, on the bell curve, you're in the block of the most, most people are represented by you in this case.
Sure.
I accept that.
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
Polyev And Real Talk00:07:46
So I want to get first to the first clip that pretty much everyone grabbed this right away.
And it was in a lot of, you know, little articles online.
They throw a little clip in there, whatever.
And, you know, TikTok videos or, Or on Twitter, they'll throw these little videos out, or whatever, whatever.
And most people said, heard this little bit and said, you know, Polyev kind of did a decent job on Rogan.
I think to get there, you have to set the bar low in advance because it means that he didn't go full conspiracy, right?
So maybe we'll listen to it and you'll know what I mean, and then we'll talk about the clip.
Okay.
Okay.
So, oh.
There we go.
All right, playing.
And I started reading about different things.
I read a biography on Fidel Castro and.
Then I read Justin's dad.
No, no, no, no.
His dad was Pierre.
I had issues with Pierre Trudeau too.
It is a great conspiracy theory, though.
Well, it is a hell of a.
I don't think it's a true one, though.
His dad is Pierre.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you heard the full episode.
What did you think when you heard that, when you got to that bit there?
Patrick, what were your thoughts?
Well, I'm not familiar with.
I mean, I was able to gain from that exchange that there is a conspiracy theory that Justin Trudeau's real dad is Fidel Castro.
Yeah.
I, you know, it seemed like Polyev was ready to just laugh that down and take some amusement from it.
Rogan, you know, like he's just whatevering his way through it.
Right.
But, you know, it's like one of those kind of sizzler comments where, you know, it's good for a laugh at least.
But I don't know.
It seemed weird that he's like, oh, that would be interesting as if it would be meaningful.
But I can't say I know anything about it.
So, yeah.
When Polyav said, not one of the real ones, though.
Oh, okay.
What do you think he meant by that?
That I don't know without him being specific, yeah, I know it's right, it's just it positions him to be open to he hasn't discredited uh conspiracy beliefs in general, yeah, right, yeah.
That uh, my ears perked up when I heard it.
Everyone is saying, Yeah, he did a pretty good job.
I'm like, He sure, yeah, are you sure?
And this is the reason you think he did a good job.
Which I would want immediately to follow up and say, oh, which ones are the real ones?
Yeah.
Which ones do you think are the real conspiracy theories then?
Like, what, what, and really, I hope he gets asked that eventually.
Like, I think we shouldn't, like, if this guy is the, you know, major political party, one of the two big, Political parties in Canada vying to become actual prime minister of the country.
I would want to know what he thinks is which conspiracy theories he thinks are real.
I think that's useful to know.
I don't think like some people would ask him that as a gaffe, like a way to try to as a gotcha question or something.
We're not in gotcha territory anymore.
We're not in a world in which.
Conspiracy people making real decisions based on conspiracies in political situations is not a thing anymore.
We have a president of the United States who believes in several himself and supports several of them, and a whole area of conspiracy, area of conspiracy called QAnon that's built specifically around him and fantasizing, building a fantasy world around the persona of Donald Trump.
Uh, we're in it.
This isn't a world where we need to be polite with people like Pierre Polyev.
Who you know, if if Carney makes the wrong moves, Polyev could become prime minister.
You know, Carney screw up a lot of stuff, but I think we as a Canadian public should know, and I think people should ask him.
I'm hoping people do ask him if we, and yeah, I mean, that's that's a tall order to ask anybody to.
Engage above the level of what they're simply being presented.
But, you know, that's not above your standard, right?
So if you could hit the pause button on this episode and try to look up where do you think Polyev has expressed support for any conspiracy ideas or notions that are like, you know, harmful or what have you?
Well, he engages in reality denial.
Like specifically, he has.
Well, we're going to get to it.
I have a spot.
There's more that he says that are leading into stuff.
And I have a spot where we're going to get into that.
So we'll move on to the next clip, I think.
And that clip there was about seven minutes into the interview.
And there's a lot of stuff in here about, you know, fitness and.
Weights and and that sort of thing.
Yeah, the kettlebell.
Yeah overall, I think uh, Polyev he's uh, I don't like.
I think there's a a strong uh um uh, a strong lure to want to go on a podcast like Joe Rogan and just do a quick study of the things that you know Joe Rogan is into and then like Fake it, but I didn't catch that.
Like, it didn't seem to me like Polyev was faking his knowledge or his enthusiasm for any of the topics that were then there.
Like, I really believe he's into MMA, right?
Yeah, I believe he's watched UFC fights for real and not just because he wants to be able to have something to talk to Joe Rogan about.
Um, he probably really knows the MMA fighters that he claims to know.
Um, And, you know, things like the kettlebell thing.
I don't think he was making that stuff up.
I think that seemed real to me.
Like it was a genuine, you know, thing that him and Joe Rogan had in common.
Right.
So, whatever.
But we're not talking about all those things.
I just picked these clips out.
So let's listen to the next one here.
Convoy Protests Explained00:10:08
Well, I'm really excited to have you in here because I've seen you speak multiple times and you're a very reasonable, intelligent person that makes a lot of sense.
And that is a rare thing in politics.
And I love Canada.
Like, I just say I don't go up there anymore, but it's because I think the government went horribly wrong over the last, you know, X amount of years.
But the people are amazing.
It's like I have always said that Canada has like, it's like America with like 20% less assholes.
Like, every time I would go up there, I'm like, people are so nice.
They're like the nicest people.
And I think that's part.
Of what went wrong for Canada is that people are rule followers and, you know, they're trusting and kind people.
And, you know, this wolf in sheep's clothing snuck in and, you know, was pretending he was a sweet guy and passing all these crazy laws.
And just when we saw what happened with COVID, with just what happened with the truckers and people's accounts getting shut down for donating to the truckers, like the whole thing was so concerning because it's our Canada was like, I'm Part of America almost.
I mean, you're a different country, but it's like you should be able to go over there with just a driver's license.
Yeah, do you remember how just being a relentless set of rule followers just ruined all of Canada somehow?
You know, that we're, I mean, to hear Rogan tell it, we're just a bunch of really nice simpletons who get taken advantage of by our politicians.
I was surprised to hear it.
I, you know, don't look around and see a bunch of rule followers.
If you're in Canada and you, I mean, the number one thing that will get you chirped at, in my experience, anywhere in Canada, is pretending like you're better than anyone else.
That will get you, it doesn't matter.
Like I've had bosses that tried it and it hasn't worked out.
Guys will still mention it.
They'll, Find ways to like you know, point if you ride a horse around here, you duck down.
Yeah, yeah, it's there's a lot of uh things hanging from overhead.
To uh, you know, interviews with Wayne Gretzky, for example, is a really great like it's okay.
We feel it's okay for us to call Wayne Gretzky the great one, but if Wayne Gretzky went around trying to remind people how he's called the great one.
We would find him completely insufferable and send him away.
Like, yeah, yeah, right.
So, like, the idea that we're just simpletons, we're just nice people, and we get taken advantage of by anyone is really kind of like, really?
Like, you don't, yeah, come here and say that.
Like, I just, I don't, yeah.
What does Joe Rogan think is really happening in Canada?
Like, he, this line, this trotted out line about how, uh, uh, You know, Joe Rogan can't understand how anything happened.
You know, Trudeau did all these crazy things and ruined Canada, and he doesn't like it in Canada anymore.
Like, I don't, you know.
Well, can we look at the specific example he uses about the truckers' protest?
Sure.
It's just, I don't know, because this is something that, like, I listen to Joe Rogan when he has guests on that I'm interested in.
I'm not a rabid Rogan follower.
I do like him, you know, kind of.
Loose assessment of whatever critical thinking he's bringing to bear.
But he is also a podcast host designed to engage his guests.
But he has been looking at that trucker protest and the intervention of the government regarding the shipment or transfer of funds that was to support the truckers and the government's intervention around that.
And that's been the biggest thing that he bangs his little drum about.
In terms of like government overreach, I don't know what the rest of the shit is that he's talking about, like, you know, Canada going to hell.
Like you said, like, it's that's not really.
He also feels that almost all the COVID measures everywhere in the world were overblown and way too much.
That's a subtext to all of that, which also was a subtext to the trucker convoy because much of that underwrites the whole drive to do the convoy protest in the first place, was all of the COVID measures.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, nobody ever takes into account like this was not a protest like any other protest.
No.
Everybody brought their trucks.
Staying there for three weeks.
Yeah.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Camping out and noise complaints and people can't run businesses.
And it was hard.
It was hard for the people that lived there.
So, I mean, and Pierre Polyev brought them food to encourage them.
Oh, did he?
Yeah.
And supported them on social media.
And then he lost his next election, which his home riding was in the suburb of Ottawa known as Carlton.
Yeah.
Because the people there were angry at his support of the protest.
Oh, was that the central theme?
That was the central theme of their discontent with him.
A big reason why he lost his home riding.
Like when this last election last year, his party got a greater share of the vote than it had gotten for a very long time, but he lost his home riding.
Specifically because it was in a suburb of Ottawa and they did not forget that he helped and encouraged the convoy protest when it was really, really bad for Ottawa.
Boy, you think they take that as a pretty large signal about the strength of or the wisdom of including messaging around the trucker convoy after the fact.
But yeah.
He lost that riding and he just swooped into another one that they're like, oh, we're fine.
Who cares?
A lot of people who will.
Apologize for people for situations like that.
They'll say about how, like, these are Canadians too, who will say that.
Uh, Polyev was treated poorly and blah blah blah by such and such, and then he lost his home riding because of some other thing, whatever.
And then they won't even mention, they won't even want to mention anything about the convoy.
And then you'd be like, Well, you know, you can say whatever you want about the convoy, but the people there did not like the convoy and didn't like his support of the convoy, so yeah, they made their displeasure known.
Big factor for what happened there.
To ignore it is not being dishonest.
It's dishonest.
It's very relevant context.
Yeah.
His home riding's in Ottawa.
Yeah.
It's not even like another town in Ontario that's within a couple hours' drive of Ottawa.
It's a suburb of Ottawa.
It's in Ottawa.
I don't know.
Which shows you it's not okay to just like hang out one region to dry for.
The benefit of everyone else, right?
Like, it wasn't okay to do that to the people in Ottawa.
No, just because they felt like there was a bigger issue, right?
Yeah.
I mean, if I was leading a trucker convoy, I'd be like staging mini blockades at, like, why not just block off the, what have you, the border crossings?
You know, you've got all the.
Oh, they did try that, right?
Yeah.
But I mean, try and fail at that at least rather than shutting down a city that everything around the parliament building or whatever is not related.
To that, and yet they all suffered and never because it was about like I do.
I've been saying it for a long time.
I want to do a deep dive into the trucker convoy.
I haven't gotten around to putting all the information in yet, but I do want to do one.
It will be a good, fun episode to do because a lot of people talk about it a lot, and a lot of people from outside Canada miss a lot of the details that are super important.
Um, and it's it's a it's probably at least two episodes worth, right?
It's it's a big.
It was a big event.
But yeah, he, you know, call that one spelling it out for Rogan.
Yeah.
Right.
Because then maybe he could put it to rest.
Because it, like I said, it is something that he brings up.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, definitely.
And I mean, I also like in the way that our discourse about this gets almost needs to be absolute, it becomes a thing where you have to either support Trudeau or you have to support the protesters.
And I'm like, I don't need to do that.
Yeah.
I can say that the protesters were way over the line, but then also say that, you know, agree with the panel when it went through all the details and said that Trudeau also stepped over the line when he did what he did.
Like, I'm, I can agree with both.
Yes.
It's the only conclusion that you can't come to is that they were both right.
Medical Assistance In Dying00:02:50
Yeah.
In my opinion.
Yeah.
But they can both be wrong.
They can easily both be wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So those are the first two clips.
The next series of clips are all one section, but it was like four and a half or five minutes or something.
So it's broken up into individual bits, but they're all like these two that we just did.
There was talking in between the two of them.
And then from the end of this one, there's talking from between this one and the one I'm about to play.
But after the one I'm about to play, there's no in between.
It's just.
from one straight to the other, one clip straight to the other clip.
All right.
Yeah.
Here we go.
But it's just an amazing place.
It's a great country.
And to see it go the way it's been going and sliding the way it's been happening over the last X amount of years, there's just so many things that concern me.
One of the things that really concerns me is this assisted suicide thing.
Had one in 20 deaths in Canada is now assisted suicide?
That's insane.
So, Here's the thing that I'll give Rogan.
He has that statistic exactly right.
It's not actually insane.
To say it's insane is to greatly underestimate the number of people who get terminal cancer every year.
63% of the people who receive medical assistance in dying are terminal cancer patients.
That's a whopping percentage.
There's other people who suffer from other conditions who also get it.
But 63% last year or 2023, I don't think the 2024, I don't think the 2025 numbers are out yet.
But the last year that I knew that we're on the record, 63%.
It's almost two thirds.
Like most people don't think about how many people get cancer and die from cancer.
It's the number one killer of humans in the Western world.
And how painful it is.
But I mean, that's kind of a.
Prime motivator for anyone who would want to medically assist their, yeah, yeah.
And as a result of it, yeah, here's like medical assistance in dying or cancer.
Um, this is an incredibly personal medical issue.
Cancer Statistics Shocking00:15:41
These things, um, sometimes family members don't like how things turn out.
I mean, in every direction, like even without including medical assistance in dying, it's, you know, some people get cancer and choose to not fight it.
Like that's a thing that some people do.
They just say, well, okay, well, I'm not going to, you know, the way that we fight cancer typically is very gruesome.
And they say that, you know, it's only a chance to live and I will be maybe greatly reducing the quality of life I have in the time I have left.
So I'm not going to do that.
You know, and for any reason they have.
And I've had people I knew who made that decision.
And I said to them and other people that they knew and everything else that no one gets to judge them for that.
Like, and I want to spit in the eye of anyone who thinks that they have the right to judge for that person whose life is ending.
To try to judge how they decide to what they decide to do with their remaining days, years, months, whatever it turns out.
Yeah.
That's not a thing that I get to decide.
It might be a situation where I would want them to fight it and live.
Yeah.
If we, if we hit our own, right.
But I don't get to decide for them.
I don't get to say, look, person that I love, I want you to go through this gruesome thing.
Because there's a whatever percent chance that you could make it through.
I don't get to decide that for them.
And I have to be adult enough to admit that.
That's a responsibility that everyone around them has to have.
That's a maturity that we all have to get to is that we don't get to decide that for them.
And we have, you know, I think there's oddly, I think there's a law against suicide, but it's a weird law because it's like if someone did commit suicide, what do you do then?
Like it doesn't make much sense.
I think it's there as a discouragement thing.
It's like, I don't know, it's to add some level of disgrace to like suicide.
But well, there's also, I mean, if say you were going to, as an outside party, ask law enforcement to get involved to stop somebody in carrying out that.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you get more assistance there.
That's true.
And but these questions about society and about how people live.
And breathe and do everything they do, and come to not breathe at the end.
They're often most of them are out of our control, and that can be scary.
Things out of our control is also a big driver for conspiratorial thinking.
Uh, yeah, the idea that I mean, it's been pointed out by many, many, many people that uh, one event that drove many, many conspiracy theories into existence was the death of JFK.
Suddenly, because people had to grapple with the idea that any moment someone with a gun could climb up somewhere and put the bullet in the right spot and kill the president, and then everything changes all of a sudden.
And you know, I guess it might have been a little different if they didn't like JFK as much, but he was a much loved president, very popular, so it hurt people all that much more.
Um, and but on a smaller scale, this is something we have to deal with with people we know.
So that's what the rest of this conversation is about, is about this medical assistance in dying thing.
So, do you have a clip about the age?
Because I just, that was the one thing that leapt out.
And I was like, I hope we talk about this, was when he made the claim that, you know, Polyev mentioned something about, well, you know, like we don't want to see that used for kids.
And I'm like, is it even used for kids?
And Rogan brought up this thing.
He thought that somebody had used it or accessed it.
Someone, it sounded like you were saying someone young used it to access it for seasonal depression.
Yeah, yeah, that's like, is that okay?
Yeah, that we're getting into that.
That was where I was like, we need a fact check or some sort of clarity on that.
Yeah, we got that.
Here's the next clip.
This is right after what was just said.
Well, listen, my view is that people should have the choice, but uh, the concern we have is the suggestion that it would be offered to kids or offered to people whose only condition is mental illness, right.
I don't agree with that.
My concern as well.
I mean, if someone's got a terminal, like a good friend of mine went to Oregon to end his life because he had ALS.
But I mean, he was gone.
I mean, he could barely talk at the end of his life.
His name is Michael Lair.
He was a regular guest on Kill Tony.
Great guy.
Right.
And it was horrible.
I mean, watching him fade away and he wanted to go out on his own terms.
Right.
He went to Oregon for assisted suicide.
So, yeah.
Uh, Not really a lot that has to be said there, only it sets a few things up.
I wanted to make sure I could have just scrapped that bit, but I thought once I was really thinking about the conversation, I thought that bit is interesting that Joe Rogan had a friend, a person he really knew who had a terminal illness and he went to a different state and got, you know, assisted, assistance ending his life in a painless fashion.
And, you know, Joe Rogan felt that was all right, which I thought was interesting given where this is going to go.
So tracking that, moving on to the next clip.
There's a place for it.
But I mean, there was a kid recently in Canada and he did it for seasonal depression.
I'm sure you're aware of that case.
I am.
Like, who allowed that to happen?
Who didn't counsel this young guy?
Who didn't give him a hug?
Who didn't tell him about diet and exercise and changing your surroundings, your lifestyle?
Just do something to give you some hope and happiness.
Like, seasonal depression?
Really?
You're going to end your life, this beautiful life on this planet?
For seasonal depression?
That's crazy.
That's why we have to do more to give people hope when they're suffering with mental illness.
Yes.
You know, give people the sense that they can take back control of their lives.
Okay.
So, um, what point do we throw the fact check in?
This is always the, the question I have.
Like this, this story is a whopper.
It's a whopper of a, of a huge number of things.
The media at large generally has screwed up telling this story.
Um, I've read several articles about it and they're immediately confused because there's a story that the, media in question seems to want to tell based on the title of the article, but then details in the article appear to directly contradict with the heading, the headline.
And I, you know, had to look up more details.
I mean, there was a whole thing.
So this, this person died in December, late December of 2025.
So, this is only four ish months ago, three months ago now.
We're right at the end of March now.
This is the example that Rogan just roped in about.
Yes.
Okay.
Right.
So, there's a lot of details about this situation.
But immediately, like even in this clip, it's confusing because.
Polyev says that he's worried that it's going to be used for mental illness.
And then Rogan says, Seasonal depression.
Have you heard of this case?
Or are you aware of this case?
Polyev says, I am.
So he's aware of this situation.
How well informed he is or not informed is another question.
But I feel strongly that he should be well informed.
Yeah, agreed.
I mean, he's also like.
Politics is the only job Polyav's ever had.
He's been a member of parliament for basically his whole adult life.
And he was a sitting member of parliament when the MADE Act became a thing in 2016.
Did he vote against it?
I don't.
I didn't check his voting record, but he must have read all of it and.
You know, I mean, there was how it works.
They propose things and they go over how it should be worded and then they suggest things and they vote for it or vote against it.
And, and, uh, I mean, but so he must have very good knowledge of this, the structure of it, the restrictions on it, how it works more so than most people because I had to look it up, right?
Like, you know, you would have to look it up if you were going to.
And he says he's aware of this case.
So this case is a person whose name was.
Keanu Vafayan, I think is how you pronounce his name.
He was 26 when he died.
Um, and Joe Rogan says he had seasonal depression, so already I'm clocking something myself from my experience with working with people who regularly engage in unreality, as they they are always trying to shift things over.
So, seasonal depression is often what a person will say when they're trying to water down depression because seasonal depression is sort of a temporary thing, it's more temporary, right?
If you wait long enough, the season will change, and and then.
It won't be as dark, and you get more sunlight, and you can go outside more.
And I mean, seasonal depression can be a real thing in Canada because of the weather, because of the darkness, more darkness in winter.
And not everyone gets it, and people who get it to different degrees, whatever.
But from everything I read, none of the articles or any of the information about Keanu said anything about seasonal depression.
They only say depression.
So already, I'm already clocking this that, okay, right.
But they said a lot more things.
So, do you think that this person had depression and that he applied for the MADE program and that he was accepted, approved, and then he ended his life?
That's not what I'm led to believe.
I'm led to believe that he had seasonal depression.
No, no, no.
But like even seasonal depression, we would, you know, I've not, you know, I'm not a medical person, but I would think that depression is worse than seasonal depression.
Seasonal being something that you just wait long enough and it sort of goes away.
Yeah.
Maybe come back the next year, but at least you have the rest of the year in which you're not suffering it.
But depression.
What you're talking about from what I heard on this podcast, it sounded like a softened version.
What you're saying, it sounds like you're saying, well, no, there was just, there was underlying depression.
There was nothing.
Right.
That should have been regarded as seasonal.
Let's say that I say he had depression and not seasonal depression.
Right.
Would you think, just having that detail only, do you think that this would be reasonable that this young man at 26 should go through the MAID program and end his life at 26?
Well, I mean, I would give an unqualified opinion that.
Yeah, unqualified.
Yeah, it's fine.
Unqualified.
Yeah, obviously not.
Yeah, but I mean, like, there would be.
No, it's not even that.
It's just that, like, to qualify, like, what should it have.
I would never say that's got to be the first course.
I would say that if a person has that, I think that, like, for me, the point and purpose of made is when there is no other recourse and the person is either facing an impending death or a quality of life.
Seen to be worse than death.
So the MAID program does have structure.
You need two doctors individually to sign off that you qualify for the MAID program.
And you presume those doctors would see the case specifics enough to know, oh, because there's something else that they have licenses and they have insurance that they have to answer for.
Yeah.
There's a whole other healthcare structure around that, right?
And they use words like phrases like, Irremediable circumstances and to ease the suffering of dying, right?
So, but like, I haven't told you anything more about the case, and I'm not even saying that depression is, but if I told you that it was just a pride, it was depression, you know, your layman's opinion do you think it's reasonable that someone might go through this and end their life at 26?
If depression is bad enough?
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
What if I told you that there was more to this than depression?
So, what if I said that this young man was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at age four and had suffered diabetes so far his entire life?
And neither of us are doctors, but I know that diabetes is something generally that can be managed.
However, not every case of diabetes is the same.
It's always good to have some impact.
Some impact.
It can have a real impact on quality of life.
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It's like your pancreas produces insulin, and then in type 1 diabetes, it doesn't produce insulin.
But that's a very simple explanation.
That's not really true that your pancreas, you know, it's very rare that your pancreas never produces insulin.
It just is usually not enough insulin.
And then also, it can wax and wane.
It can sometimes produce enough and sometimes not produce enough, which is why diabetics have to track their insulin level and their blood sugar level.
Yeah.
Because if their blood sugar gets too high, they suffer a large amount of pain.
But if it's too low and their insulin levels are too high, then they have other problems.
And you can't just blindly take your insulin at regular doses because if you're in a period where your pancreas is producing enough, Then you're going to go into insulin shock and then you'll have much worse problems.
So, if this isn't managed properly, or if your pancreas is just more wild than others, you can develop other issues.
So, what if I said that by the time this young man was 23, he had already lost sight fully in one eye and a lot of his sight in the second eye, such to the point where he was considered legally blind?
Oh, yeah.
That's horrible, right?
And also, every time he was outside in the cold, he experienced numbness, which means he didn't feel the cold.
But every time he would come in from being cold, he would experience a large amount of pain throughout his whole body.
And that this is a complicated set of additional, it's not really a symptom, but it's a complicated set of knock on effects that come from bad cases of diabetes throughout a person's life.
Other things that can happen, which it looks like maybe they had begun in this young man, are kidney failure, which your kidneys, I mean, They don't fail on a flick of the switch.
They sort of fail gradually.
And as they do, when your kidneys start to fail slowly over time, your blood becomes slowly more poisonous with time, and you get all kinds of other symptoms.
And one of them generally is that at your extremities, usually your fingers being the most extreme of your extremities, tends to collect and pool these poisons, and you get necrosis.
parts of your body start to die while you're attached to them.
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That sounds horrible.
It's fucking awful.
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, this then really speaks to the fact that, like, why did Rogan use this example when there was a whole host of physical medical issues that he could have pointed out?
Doctors who looked at this young man feel that his depression was the result of his very bad diabetes and his feeling that he was going to be unable to deal with it.
Yeah.
It's not something that improves.
His site doesn't start returning the theme.
Yeah, it's already ripped so many things from him and seems to be getting worse and less able to be managed.
Right.
So, Polyev says he's familiar with this situation, but doesn't bring it up.
Yeah.
So, I mean, we sometimes have in conversations, we have, you know, politeness.
Maybe we don't bring it up because we're being polite, but Polly, I've already demonstrated for us earlier this episode that he can correct the record for Joe Rogan.
Yeah.
And he can laugh it off and he can, you know, say, oh, but there's some conspiracies that are true, but he can correct the record.
He has the cojones to do that.
And yet, in his face, If they're making such a big deal about medical assistance not being centered around somebody with purely issues regarding mental illness, then they should be using way better examples than this, right?
So, how come this is the entry level of example production, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
To mention this case at all without mentioning the word diabetes is egregious unreality.
And like, it's, I don't know, maybe possible that Joe Rogan caught this from a, you know, a right wing shitbag TikTok account that he follows that themselves already, you know, lopped the diabetes part out of the story or whatever, I guess.
But if he's going to talk about it, like, Here's the other thing is that I feel that people who have platforms and there's no online single person powered platform larger than Joe Rogan's right now.
Yeah.
He is the most listened to podcaster in the world.
There are news programs that you might be able to argue are bigger and more influential, but they're teams of people.
Right.
His is like one personality driven thing.
As far as one single person who has the mic, he has a bigger.
Mike than anyone else.
I think people who are in those situations have a responsibility for disinformation that they put into the world.
I feel like maybe I'm over the line there.
I feel that they have a responsibility and they should be held to that responsibility when they get it way wrong.
And it's important.
Like, more than just, oh, you're going to reel off a statistic and you said 62 instead of 68 or whatever.
Like, this is not that.
This is way wrong to understand that this man had very debilitating diabetes that he'd already been struggling with his entire life.
Mm hmm.
And was, you know, limiting his movements now.
And with, you know, once you can't walk very far, your ability, like, yeah, we're going to get to it.
But yeah, it's.
Well, I mean, so there's double responsibilities.
There's a responsibility of Rogan as a podcaster, which he casually shrugs off often in favor of the thing he wants.
I mean, no, but he'll tell him saying unfortunately about the Trudeau thing because that's a thing he wants.
He wants it to be true.
He wants it to be true that Trudeau is Rogan's son, right?
He wants the fun conspiracies to be true.
I'm yelling and I shouldn't.
I'm sorry.
You should tell me I'm yelling.
Okay.
He wants the conspiracies to be true.
But, and, you know, he wants like this story as he told it with the seasonal depression and not the full depression and not the diabetes and, you know, not the other, you know, that the version of the story he told is the one he wants to be true.
So, somewhere inside him, he feels that he gets to say the version of the story that he wants to be true.
Like, I guarantee you, he also, Rogan will excuse himself from that possibility of that guy talking in front of the mic.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, like he'll just refer to himself as this meathead comedian.
So, to whatever degree we can or can't hold him to account for that, I think it's more in our interest to place a focus back on Polly Ev, who had the option at that point.
To be like, no, I actually, I'm not entirely familiar.
Can you pull that up?
And if Rogan continues to talk about it, it'd be like, hey, you know, like even, even Polly Ev in the first whatever minutes was talking about what was the, he gave him a gift that said, pull that up, Jamie.
Well, why didn't they pull that up, Jamie, then?
Yeah.
Right.
And no, actually be like, oh, let's read the specifics so that Rogan could come face to face with his misapprehension of it.
And Polly Ev could say, you know, like, well, here's the actual, Cases, or here's the actual statistic we're looking at instead of them being so buddy-buddy about something that neither one of them are accurately presenting.
Yeah, neither one.
And Polyev should absolutely know the details of this case.
If he's going to use it as part of his, you know, stump speech against this, he's actively working to change policy using the power he has as the leader of his.
Party and with their collected interest, he definitely has a much, much higher degree of responsibility, I think, that's being sidestepped.
I also worry that we give too much leeway in these situations sometimes.
And if people want to talk about what limits to place on this made program or whatever, that's great.
But what I want is that you use real.
Details and actual facts to make your case.
Like, don't use this as this guy had seasonal depression and then we killed him.
Like, that's fucking garbage.
That's fucking garbage.
Yeah.
Don't bring that to me.
I will stomp on you.
Yeah.
I will fucking stomp on you in an argument if you bring that up with me.
I will shove this right down your throat.
I don't give a fuck.
This young man deserves more than that.
And really, he doesn't deserve to be a political pawn.
He didn't do any of this to be that.
Yeah.
Like, this trods on his dignity every time you lie about it and trot it out to try to, you know, get a political win.
Well, it diminishes the truth of his real struggle in this life.
Absolutely.
Right.
It very much cheapens it.
And if they're talking about human dignity, then they have no business discussing this individual.
We have a couple more clips.
We should get to.
Some of them.
Let's, uh, where do we go?
All right.
I think we do have to promote fitness more because it gives people, it turns them into a subject that controls their surroundings rather than an object being controlled.
It teaches people that hardship is temporary and that the aftermath is positive.
And we have to give people, reinstill people with a sense of meaning when they're going through hardship rather than to say that it's all over.
And, you know, I think we have to, our system needs to be geared towards giving people all the best options to live on rather than just suggesting.
Made as the right easy, as the, as the automatic path for the system to impose on people, so that that statement was the kicker.
For me.
That was the one when I heard it.
I was like oh we're, we're doing episode on this.
For the system to impose on people was the phrase he used mm.
Hmm, That's conspiratorial talk.
That's a conspiratorial mindset right there for the system to impose on people.
That's the decision paranoia that we talked about last week.
That's the government deciding for you thing.
In the absence of any situation where the government is imposing, right?
I mean, the government decides which day my garbage goes out.
No, yeah, but.
You know, like they make a lot of decisions.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But they're not imposing this on anyone.
Yeah, he's manufacturing a form of outrage around something that doesn't even occur.
But it's more than that because just his phrasing there.
I mean, this is something that I think is true about Polly Evans.
This is time to talk about it.
It came up when he was laughing off the Castro thing and saying that, you know, implying leaving a door open, implying that, you know, yeah, this one, this one's not true, but there's real ones.
There's other ones that are real.
Not specifying which ones they are, of course, you know.
Whatever.
I have no way of proving this, but this is what I think is true of Polyev.
I think that when he hears the conspiratorial stuff on podcasts, on Rogan, which he probably listens to some Rogan here and there, on other places where it might cross his path, I think when he's not in front of a camera and he's just all alone, you know, whatever, driving and it's on the radio or whatever.
I think he smiles and nods along.
I think he, you know, is in like what some kind of like inside his mind, silent agreement about those things.
And it comes across in the language that he uses.
He uses it here for the system to impose on you.
It comes across in the in, uh, uh, poo-pooing the Castro thing.
It's, uh, still leave open the, the real conspiracies is not one of the real ones.
Right.
Um, And this is like a crack in the foundation that people look at, they see, but they don't, you know, like it's hard.
Like there's a lot of people who have this general sense that they don't really like the direction that he goes and they strongly think that he's conspiratorial, but he never really says it.
And I think that the little things like this are what those people are picking up on.
And they, you know, when you ask them why they don't like Polyev, it's very difficult for them to exactly say, put their finger on.
Well, it's just this sort of bland sense I have.
And it makes them seem like that what they're, they're unease with it, with him is not really based on anything, but that's not really the, the real story.
It's that there are indications.
It's just that it's hard to say like this is the smoking gun that shows the thing.
Right, it's more like evidence for evolution.
There is no one piece of evidence for evolution that is the one thing that proves the case.
Right, there's a wealth of very small details that add up to a case for evolution.
Right, and the same thing is true, I suspect, with Polyev and conspiratorial thinking is that in his private life, he engages with it and he nods along with it and he encourages the thoughts within his own mind, but he knows that there's a political cost.
To saying it outright, to speaking about it in interviews and everything else.
So he avoids those.
And he doesn't, you know, like when he corrected Rogan on the Castro thing, he didn't have to do it with a laugh and a smile and an obviously, oh, well, you know, as if he's, you know, reserving the truth about Santa for a small child or something, right?
Oh, well, Santa will show up later.
Oh, like, He didn't have to do it that way.
He could have been more stern and more strict with it, whatever, but that's not the way he engages with conspiratorial ideas.
It's just not.
And this is what I'm proposing.
I think that he does engage with them in a much, much more friendly fashion than I would be comfortable with a prime minister engaging with him in, knowing full well that I also don't like that anyone engages with him on that level, but I think we should have a higher standard for prime ministers than everyone else.
Sorry, but I do.
Prime ministers shouldn't be just a regular guy that you might have a beer with and then they happen to be prime minister.
They have a very important job.
They should have a higher level of standard than other people.
That's just a thing that I think should be true.
And by the way, all the people who become prime minister also think that's true.
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Whether or not it was true or not, they all think it's true.
They all think they got there because they were on a higher standard.
And I think that says something about His level of conspiratorial thinking.
I think that he does that.
And I think it comes out in little moments like this.
We, we little moments that add up to a sense that some people get.
And that's also how you get this dichotomy.
The people who are engaging regularly and openly with conspiracies also catch those little things.
And they also think that he's one of our guys.
I support him because he's one of our guys.
Like, and if you were going to ask them what exactly makes you think that he's into these conspiracy theories, they also wouldn't be able to pinpoint it.
There wouldn't be a smoking gun for them either.
But they had the strong sense because of all the little, you know, line of breadcrumbs, this base layer of sort of evidence that's scattered out in these little, little comments that'll make all over the place that he's just, he's, yeah, no, he gets it.
He's, he's in, he knows.
Well, he's certainly never come out opening fire on nonsense.
Right.
No.
No.
That's just it.
There isn't a one true thing.
You're like, no, no, he said this, this one time.
And that's how I know.
There isn't that sense.
But it's these little moments where he's saying little hook things like this, adding them on.
And that's one of them right there for the system to impose on you.
This is straight from a conspiratorial mindset.
This is a person who's listened to that.
content and agreed with it.
That's what it tells me as a person who's been for four years now looking into, you know, and talking to on Twitter people who believe in these things.
So, yeah, any thoughts on that, Patrick?
No, I think you're pretty spot on, right?
And it just continues to paint the picture about the really low bar he applies to things like this.
Yeah.
So, okay, we got a couple more clips because I think they're going to be interesting and, yeah, some good things to be angry at.
So, One of the things our party is pushing for is to make clear that public servants who are getting phone calls from people who are in need of help for something, they shouldn't be offering that.
They shouldn't be offering made.
People can seek it out if they want.
But when you're calling up saying, I'm poor or I'm struggling or I'm having a mental illness or I've got an injury, we shouldn't have a government worker saying, Well, consider made.
Yeah.
If you knew someone who felt like they, you know, sadly had some irreversible illness and they wanted to inquire about Maid, who do you think they should talk to?
Doctor.
Fucking doctor, man.
Like, who the fuck would call their MLA or MP and say, hey, man, I'm wondering about this Maid thing?
Like, No one's fucking doing that.
So for Polly, and Polly fucking knows that.
He helped to write the, you need two doctors to both agree.
He knows that.
He helped to read it to, you know, vote for or against the thing.
Why does it, does his office get phone calls for people wanting the MADE program?
Like, what a weird fucking thing to say in the middle of this.
Yeah, it's like it, it's just an empty opposition to something that's not even happening.
Yeah, of course.
No one's going to the public official.
You're not going to go to your city mayor and say, hey, man, like, look, this Huntington's disease, man, it's irreversible.
I'm slowly losing control.
I got, and my neighbor has ALS, by the way, so they wanted me to ask for them, too.
Do you know what I could do about this, mayor of my town?
Fuck no.
Go to the fucking doctor.
Yeah.
I don't know why he would do that.
Okay.
Well, that's good.
That was good to get that one out.
Okay.
Let's get the next clip.
Well, the unfortunate thing is that any organization that gets formed wants to grow and you get financial incentives and then you hire more people and then it gets bigger.
And then what do you have to do?
What do you have to keep doing?
What you're doing?
Exactly.
What are you doing?
You're killing people.
So you're going to kill more people because you're actually.
Financially incentivized to put more people through this program and end their lives.
Yeah.
That's a fucking whopper right there, right?
Like, financially incentivized to.
Famously, Canada has a not for profit healthcare system.
Famously.
It's like the number one thing that every fucking American knows about Canada.
If they only know one thing about Canada, that's the thing they know free healthcare.
Yeah.
Who's making where the financial incentives for this?
Who's making the money on this?
Who's getting rich on the MADE program?
Like, what the fuck is this?
He's definitely conflated what we do know about the predatory nature of the pharmaceutical industry.
She's kind of conflating that issue and trying to migrate that outrage into this thing just to fuel something that's not even the case regarding MADE.
But I circle you back.
To the moment earlier where he mentioned his friend.
Had to go to another state.
Went to the facility in another state.
Yeah.
Which is more likely to have financial incentives?
The Canadian hospital where this young man, Keanu, died via the MAID program, or the facility in Oregon in the American system, the for-profit healthcare system, to have financial incentives to line people up and inject them as fast as possible.
Which do you think is more likely to have financial incentives?
But his friend did it and it's fine.
This Canadian system is all bad and it's so bad that Rogan doesn't even want to come to Canada anymore because of all the crazy rules we have about all the bad stuff happening up here.
Well, he doesn't want to come up here and get mated.
Yeah.
What he's describing is a factory.
Like, that's completely in, you know, in simpatico with what he's describing as a factory.
And, like, if you're going to have a factory to make cars, for example, there's a, A thing that happens is essentially math that happens with mass production, in that, the more you make, the cheaper each one becomes.
It's just a rule that's been true ever since Henry Ford made the assembly line work.
And it was actually true before the assembly line as well, but it just really ramped up at the assembly line level.
And so what he's describing is an assembly line, a company whose business it is to get as many people through as possible.
And anytime that their injection chair is cold, it's a time when they're not making money.
So, they got to go find more people for the maid program.
Yeah, that's awful.
Joe Rogan and his goat ass.
I don't give a like, I just I'm done with that.
Like, what who the like?
That's not how any of this works, it's just not.
No, he's definitely confused about the issue and he's confused about the mechanics about the system.
I also doubt that the facility in Oregon works that way.
By the way, it's more likely to get there because they're in a for profit system, but I also doubt that it works that way.
We could find out.
I'm sure he did name the guy, and we'd probably find out which facility that guy went to.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
I mean, you could probably just look into other ones too.
I mean, it's probably, probably had to go to Oregon because the state that he lived in didn't have a program like that.
But it'd be interesting to see like what was the requirement for that facility.
Like, do they just have like a walk in line and be like, oh, you want to?
Do they need two doctors to sign off?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Or are there similar safeguards, you could say, in place that we have that he's not acknowledging that are for the sake of trying to protect life if life can be protected?
Right.
You don't have a psychopathic doctor who just finds that a desire to kill as many people as possible.
So he just gets himself a job at the facility in Oregon where he just like.
Guess what I get to do today and every day till the end of time?
I get to, yeah.
You know, all I got to do is sign all these papers for people.
That's great.
And they'll never come after me.
Yeah.
That's not how this is working.
And if we thought it was, we should point it out and, you know, find some other way around it.
I mean, if someone thought that there was a doctor out there who was signing too many of these, you know, documents, then maybe we should find a way to, you know, have them only be a limit or something.
I don't know.
Like, Yeah.
But there's no examples of the oversight that's in place being violated.
They have no actual examples that I can think of.
They haven't even mentioned that there is any oversight.
I mean, in their version of this story, people just put their hand up and then a doctor rushes in, grabs some money from them apparently, and then injects them.
And it suggests it.
That's their.
Yeah.
People who weren't thinking, you know, people weren't thinking about it.
And there's a salesman that comes through in the emergency rooms everywhere and be like, hey, man.
What are you in for?
Like, you might apply for this, you know, this might apply to you.
This, the special time offer, you know, we got, we got 20% off this thing, man.
Like, yeah.
Well, I mean, this, this whole thing too, like, the, the, the most resonating feature of misinformation for me that I see is like, you know, we've seen where they say, oh, well, it shouldn't be the case that, but when the fuck is it though?
Right.
Like, sure, it shouldn't be the case, but that's not, if that was the case, then that's what you'd be pointing at, but you're not pointing at that.
You're just, Pointing at fucking shadows to say, well, you know, when I hear blah, blah, blah, who the fuck did you hear that from?
First of all, which MP is pushing forward this idea that you're trying to counter?
Who's calling an MP's office asking for help with the MAID program?
Like, that's what I want to know.
Yeah.
Or for any of these so called shortcomings when they say, well, it shouldn't be the case that just show me one fucking person that said it should be the case.
Right.
So that you can say you're actually part of an argument.
Because if you're not part of an argument, you have no evidence.
You're.
It's hypothetical.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're just stirring shit for the sake of trying to feed red meat to the idiots.
For people who don't look into the case, by the way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The uninformed.
You get the uninformed voters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The uninformed voters who now, after listening to an episode of Rogan, think that somebody ended their own life using MADE only for seasonal depression.
Yeah.
Right.
So, I mean, that is ugly.
Right.
Yeah.
And that there's financial incentives for doing so.
There's probably some evil doctor somewhere that's getting super rich on, you know, again, it is a real issue that profiteering in the medical, but not for this fucking issue.
Like, yeah, there's no bearing in this conversation.
So, you know, it's a cheap tactic for anyone to reach for that.
Yeah.
And egregiously fucking cheap, right?
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I have one more clip.
Let's just play it.
All right.
That's very sad.
I think we have to get to a point where people have the freedom to make their own decisions, but they also have hope that there is an option for them.
And that's what we're trying to do.
And that's what we're trying to do.
And like the exercise thing, it's not just give them control of their life, it makes them happier.
There's been studies that show it's much more effective than antidepressants.
Absolutely.
Well, first of all, there's the physiological side, which affects the brain, but it's also the sensation of discomfort that you push through, knowing that you have to focus on the thing you have to do.
And that I think it helps us in anything we're encountering, whether you're going through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an injury or an illness.
If you know that pushing through to the other side because you've got a meaning there, that can give people hope for a better life.
Yeah.
So I have a word for what they just did there it's called victim blaming.
The idea that the person who's suffering just didn't push through, just didn't hold on enough.
Just didn't try hard enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a special fuck you to people like that.
I do.
I'm not going to go into anyone else's experiences, but I know people in my life who I love who have had problems.
And it's not a thing you can just push through, it's not.
And therefore, the expectation that they do, and that if they don't, their suffering is their own fault, is fucking awful.
It's just, you can't do this.
It's not putting it into the right relative, like, you know, when people do, you know, you could say some people do push through, some people have that resolve.
That's a privilege.
That is a great, it's amazing.
Exactly.
This is a person who's been able to either connect with help or has been able to center themselves during.
Conflict or crisis, or what have you, but there are people who don't have those skills.
It's a recognition that not every human is built the same.
Yeah.
Some of us have other tools on our belt than others do.
And the people who don't have that special set of tools that allow that to happen shouldn't be relegated to the well sucks to suck pile.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, fuck off already.
Mm hmm.
So, I would want to ask Rogan, as a fuck you to Rogan, why didn't his friend Michael Lehrer just push through and do more exercise or whatever the fuck?
Well, you know, because Rogan was looking at the actual case of his friend facing a debilitating illness.
It's different when you're looking at a person you know who's really dying of a thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As opposed to just trying to use somebody as a prop in his.
Fallacious argument that the situation is even going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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And to use people who, again, they're just, these are personal, intensely personal decisions that people make.
And these should be only discussions between them and their family and their doctors.
That's who it is.
And in the end, the discussion between them and the doctor is more important than the discussion between them and their family.
Sorry, but that's how it is.
And like, The same math for this applies to abortion.
It's, in my opinion, intensely personal.
It's something that a person talks about with their doctor, and other people might have strong feelings about the decision that's made.
Fine.
But it's not them making the decision.
It's just not.
It's one person and their doctor going through it to make the decision.
And that's how that works.
It might not be a decision that you would make or whatever.
Great.
There's all kinds of decisions that all kinds of people make that I wouldn't make.
That doesn't make me better than them because I would make those decisions differently.
It just makes me a different person.
That's all it makes.
Yeah.
Drawing on a completely different set of.
And the same thing is true here.
I'm not suffering from debilitating diabetes.
I'm not having that kind of pain every day.
I'm not.
And it's also possible that someone is experiencing that pain every day, but because of the way subjective reality works, it affects one person differently than another person.
And that's also something we have to understand.
Cope with that's not really a strong point in the uh conservative playbook.
No, no, no, no, yeah, no.
Um, I'm not saying it's completely absent, like, I know some amazingly huge hearted uh people on the conservative side, but yeah, not by and large.
Uh, you know, when you start to look at the party politics, that's there's not a lot of messaging around like, well, we should be sensitive to people, it's more the other way around, like, your sensitivity.
The sensitivity requirements annoying me because it's asking me to do it, yeah, right.
No, well, yeah, you can't force anyone to be sensitive, yeah.
Well, you can't, no, that's fine, but uh, it shouldn't be that the entire society should flex itself around your lack of sensitivity, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We have to look at the outcomes, and I think that's something that is conveniently sidestepped too, right?
So, I do want to have another shout out to a podcast.
I've already given them a shout out once, but I just heard the episode today.
Again, podcast The Breakdown with Nate Pike.
They deal almost exclusively with Alberta politics.
And this exact case of Keanu and the diabetes and all of that came up in Alberta politics this week, along with.
It being a thing that Pierre Polyev and Joe Rogan trotted out a couple weeks ago.
So he did a much more detailed view of the entire case of Keanu and his family and how all the pieces fit together.
Much more detailed than I did here.
I did a very shortened version.
I mean, yeah, he had diabetes and he was legally blind and he had a lot of pain.
But there are a lot more details there that if you're going to look into it, you'll see.
And I think if you owe it to yourself, if you're going to want to know about it, to know as many details as possible.
And I think the episode that he just did, that was March 29th, 2026, go back to his feed and listen to that episode for yourself.
He does a great job of putting much more details in.
He also does like a two hour podcast, or sometimes more.
So, you know, he has more time to work with.
I'm just here to get mad at Polly Evan Rogan.
Rogan, because he can keep his nose out of things that aren't his business, personal shit that belongs to other people.
Really, there's no reason for him to do that.
He wants to judge all of Canada based on that.
Fine.
He doesn't want to come here.
I'm happy either way.
It's fine by me.
Whatever.
And just in case anyone's listening, it might be useful to know that Rogan's podcast that we're discussing happened on March 19th, 2026.
Just in case someone's listening to this two years in the future and they need to fast scroll to that episode with Polly Ev.
But I'm sure they can.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the entire clips I used.
We're in the first half an hour of that podcast, maybe even the first 20 minutes.
There were other moments in there that made me angry, but this is already long enough.
It's almost an hour and a half now.
This will do.
I don't need to exhaustively list everything they got wrong.
Polyeth should know better.
Yeah, agreed.
And I don't think it's egregious for me to expect Polyeth to know better and to judge him for that.
Oh, yeah.
So, with that, we'll uh sign off.
Um, if anyone has any questions, comments, complaints, or concerns, I can send that email to truthunrestricted at gmail.com.
Get a picture of one of my pets.
Uh, just a moment, YouTube listeners.
I do have one of those pets with me right now.
This is a nice, uh, still a kitten growing up, but still he was just napping, so he's kind of.
Still creepy, uh, yeah, and that's fun.
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