Ghislaine Maxwell and the Epstein scandal dominate discussions on potential congressional testimony, intelligence ties to Israel or the CIA, and Attorney General Pam Bondi's disputed client list. The episode pivots to President Biden's autopen usage, with Donald Trump claiming thousands of pardons are null and void while a DOJ investigation launches. Amidst Elon Musk's spending bill criticisms and Tom Homan's confrontations, the show concludes by addressing potential ICE arrests of sanctuary city officials like Zohran Mamdani, highlighting deepening political fractures over transparency and enforcement. [Automatically generated summary]
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Epstein Ex Testifies Before Congress00:08:39
And we are live.
This is a very perplexing story, shall we say, to say the least.
Gislaine Maxwell.
Wow.
Now in the news big time, as all of this Jeffrey Epstein stuff comes to a head, it is great to have you all here.
We've got a very big show today.
I am Trish Regan.
And it looks as though Epstein's ex is suggesting she'll come forward and testify before Congress.
She's threatening to reveal names.
She's threatening to reveal the entire list, you know.
We'll see if she makes it, right?
Because I think Jeffrey tried that once before.
It didn't work so well.
Anyway, it is very clear that this is very much a focus, I think, from everyone, everyone right now.
Again, we are live right now.
We are live, and it's great to have you all here.
And I appreciate you subscribing.
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It's great to have so many of you here.
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Make sure you hit the bell so that you know exactly. when I'm going live.
It would be great.
Anyway, we've got all that going on.
We're going to dig into it because, you know, my buddy Dan Bongino, like he's completely getting the shaft here.
It completely stinks for him because he's such a good guy and he doesn't deserve any of this.
Pam Bondia doesn't look like she's too willing to step down, nor is the president willing to toss her.
So what does that actually mean?
The president weighing in on all of this today.
We're going to get to that.
Plus, we get all these auto-penned partners, which are now coming into focus.
And Fauci, you may be in trouble, buddy boy, because it turns out that they were all auto-penned.
Everything, well, except for one.
That would be Hunter Biden.
Hunter Biden himself is the only one he signed off on.
So that's a big deal.
We got Tom Homan going nuclear on these sanctuary cities and nuclear actually on some heckler in the crowd.
I want to show you some of that video.
Meanwhile, Rosie O'Donnell, could she be kicked out of the country for good?
She's already left, right?
She's over there in Ireland.
Lucky Ireland.
And Donald Trump said over the weekend that he might consider revoking her citizenship.
So we'll get into all of that.
But we begin on this very important story right now because Ghislaine Maxwell, Ghislaine, however you say it, she's there in a maximum security, forgive me, a non-maximum security prison.
And Epstein's ex, Ghislaine, is now apparently, reportedly, willing to talk, offering to come in and testify before Congress.
What do you know?
and offering to cough up that so-called list of people that may have engaged in some really bad and criminal behavior.
So is she the missing link in all this?
You know, one of the things that has frustrated me about this story is that nobody's actually talking about Ghislaine.
Like they're all talking about Jeffrey Epstein, but I'm like, wait a second, we still have somebody alive who knows a lot of information.
So why are we not getting anything from her?
Unless, of course, She knows what's going to happen if she starts singing like a canary, dare we say.
And that gets into something I do want to talk about, whether or not he was indeed a spy for intelligence agencies.
So there's a big story in the Daily Mail today saying that she is willing.
She's communicating that she's willing to come forward and testify before Congress.
Even just suggesting this or planting a story like this is actually very risky for her.
I mean, think about if you're to believe into the idea that her dad was a spy.
possibly for Israel or the CIA.
It's been suggested even the KJB.
Who knows, right?
But he may have been selling intelligence.
If she's from that family business line, if you believe that, I kind of do myself, and we can talk about that some more.
But this is a risky thing for her to come out and even communicate because what's going to happen?
Well, you know, she saw what happened to her dad.
She saw what happened to her ex-boyfriend and her business partner, apparently.
And she's got to be looking at this and saying, wait a second, is this going to happen to me too?
Apparently they never offered her a plea deal.
And so now she's like, okay, well, you know, I can put some of this stuff to bed.
So will she actually be brought before Congress to testify?
Of course, Democrats would love it.
And they may be even the ones planting this story at this moment in time.
But she's also trying to use whatever leverage she has to try and get out of this 20-year sentence.
Because don't forget, this woman is sitting in jail.
And she's been sitting in jail.
And she is arguing that she shouldn't be in jail because given what happened with that sentence that was delivered courtesy of Alex Acosta, who was the attorney general of florida back when jeffrey epstein was first brought in given that sentence which was very very light he wasn't to have been prosecuted nor should anyone who have been associated with him have been prosecuted.
There was some kind of like blanket statement in there.
And so her lawyers are trying to say, hey, hey, you know, the fact that this thing was already out there in Florida means you can't and shouldn't have prosecuted her again.
And so they've been going back and forth to the government saying, hey, you know, this is not fair.
This is not right.
Weigh in on this, weigh in on this.
And oddly, like nobody's weighing in on this.
She wants an appeal.
She's trying to appeal her case.
And so as she looks towards that appeal, what is her leverage?
Her leverage is that list.
And so if she's, you know, she wants out, like, and I suspect if she is in fact an intelligence op and maybe even Jeffrey's handler, if that's what she was, then she should know better than to say, hey, I'm going to sing like a canary unless you do this.
Because that may have been perhaps what led to her down, her ex-boyfriend's downfall, her dad's downfall, et cetera.
But let me walk you through what's going on.
So she's got a case and she's been asking for this appeal because she's saying, you know what, like they shouldn't have brought this forward against me.
because it had already been decided that you couldn't come back and sue again after what had been decided in Florida.
It was something that actually Jeffrey Epstein was looking to appeal on as well.
I told you I spoke with a source, well, I'll just tell you, the doctor for Jeffrey Epstein.
And the day before he was gone, he was talking to his doctor saying, hey, you know, I think I'm going to get out of here.
And his whole idea was he was going to appeal based on what had happened in Florida and they couldn't come back at him twice.
He got a very lenient sentence in Florida, and there's been a lot of speculation, including today online, about that.
Why would Alex Acosta, who went on to become Trump's labor secretary, why would he have given him such a lenient sentence?
And according to the Daily Beast, the reporting at the time was because somehow somebody called him up and said, hey, this guy's one of us.
In other words, he's working for our intelligence agencies, so go easy on him.
That story has not been confirmed, and it's the Daily Beast.
So I say take it with a grain of salt.
But that's the thinking.
Somehow they let them off easy, which was really strange.
And then they were like, okay, you can't go back.
Well, this team, the legal team, for one, Ghislaine Maxwell, as she sits in prison, I think down in Tennessee, they're saying, hey, you shouldn't have done this.
And so they keep asking for a response.
And so far, no cigar.
So they're writing here only, quote, only because the United States did so in the Second Circuit and not elsewhere.
Her motion to dismiss the indictment was denied.
Her trial proceeded, and now she's out there serving a 20-year sentence.
Quote, in light of the disparity in how the circuit courts interpret the enforceability of a promise made by the United States, this is the motion to dismiss, they are saying, hey, wait a second, you need to take this up because there's an inconsistency in the law here by which the same promise by the United States means different things in different places and should be addressed by the court.
So the Trump administration has a chance to say, okay, yay or nay.
And they've been punting on this one over and over and over again.
So according to a letter that Sauer, who is working for the Trump administration, sent, this is the attorney, he's saying, quote, we respectfully request under Rule 30.4, the rules of this court, a further extension of time, including July 14th, 2025, within which to file the government's response.
So tick, tick, tick.
What is today, guys?
It's July 14th, okay?
Mossad Cooperation Concerns00:13:24
So they still haven't given any kind of answer to her.
And they're writing, the Trump administration is writing, this extension is necessary because the attorneys with principal responsibility for preparation for the government's response have been heavily engaged with the press of previously assigned matters with proximate due dates.
So they're saying, you know, like our attorneys are too busy.
We can't get to this and this is the problem.
But they've applied for extensions twice.
This is D. John Sauer.
He is the pick for Solicitor General.
And the fact that they've had two extensions now, and so now they're coming up on today, the current deadline, and she still is kind of nowhere, it puts her in a position where she's like, all right, you know what?
I'm going to play hardball now.
And I'm going to play hardball.
And this means if you guys don't actually allow for this appeal to go forward, then I am willing to come out and testify and talk.
And so now you've got like Democrats everywhere salivating.
They're like, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is exactly what we want.
Jamie Raskin waited on this on CNN over the weekend.
MSNBC, of course, is going crazy.
And they want this divide, if you would, in the MAGA party and in the MAGA base.
And it's happening.
It's happening in real time because people are like, wait a second, you promised this.
And now why aren't we getting it?
I have some theories as to why we're not getting it.
And I think that a lot of stuff may have, in fact, been destroyed.
If you believe, which I'm sorry, I just do.
And this is just, Trish Regan's got a hunch, but I kind of feel like this was an intel gathering operation and it may have been with our blessing, so to speak, because I don't believe that Israeli intelligence would be operating here in the United States, allowing for our citizens to be spied upon without our knowledge.
Okay, so somebody says this was, I think it's got to have been some kind of cooperation situation.
Now, I know that Tucker Carlson came out over the weekend.
at the big event that Charlie Kirk had for students down in Florida and Tampa, Florida.
And one of the things that he was saying was this was for sure an Israeli likely operation.
Now, I'm just going to say it would be very, very weird for the Israelis to be running an intel gathering operation and us not knowing when it is happening here, connections being made in the U.S.
So I don't think the U.S. government is as innocent as some might hope we are.
And that may have something to do with none of this.
coming out in the way that we expected and wanted it to.
And so now Ghislaine, right, who's sitting there in the not so high security prison, she's coming out and saying, well, I am going to go nuclear on all of you.
And so what I'll be interested to see is whether or not she makes it, right, to live another day, so to speak.
because the last time that happened, her boyfriend got, you know, well, I mean, Dan Bongino wants us to believe that this was of his own doing.
But I think everybody's really having a hard time with that.
That's just the reality of it, okay?
And this is the situation where if you don't have enough information out there and you consider the track record of the deep state and the government, we're all looking at it going, well, this doesn't add up.
It doesn't make sense.
I mean, consider the Hunter Biden laptop that was not supposed to be Hunter Biden's laptop.
We had, for goodness sakes, the former head of the CIA, John Brennan, telling us that.
You had Mike Morrell, who was the deputy director of the CIA, telling us that.
You had Anthony Blinken, who became our Secretary of State, who had been a former deputy secretary of state under Obama.
Wow, like he was organizing that whole big letter.
I mean, that is really just awful.
So they've lied to us so many times.
You think about what happened with March 2020 and the virus that was invented in the Wuhan lab, but couldn't possibly have been invented in the Wuhan lab.
And if you dared say that, oopsie daisy, you know, you're going to be in big, big trouble.
Hey, we're going to talk about Fauci coming up a little later in the show because his little pardon could be null and void if it's so decided that Biden didn't really know what was going on.
We'll get to that in a second.
But you understand what I'm saying.
In other words, there's been so much lying that when they say, okay, this is not the case, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell was not a spy.
Jeffrey Epstein was not a spy.
Like, why would you ever think that?
We're sitting there going, well, of course we think that.
And many, many people within the intelligence community have actually laughed and looked at this whole thing and said, well, you know, if it wasn't, if it wasn't actually an Intel operator, Zach looked like one.
Right?
It definitely looked like one.
So the former Israeli prime minister is weighing in on this on Twitter, and he's trying to put to bed some of these accusations that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad and was running a blackmail ring of compromise, so to speak.
He said, I can tell you with absolute 100% certainty, the accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.
His conduct, both the criminal and the merely despicable, had nothing to do. with Mossad or the State of Israel.
Epstein never worked for the Mossad.
Of course, if you're the Mossad, like, you think you're going to own up to that?
I mean, come on.
Like, right?
Like, that's not actually ever going to be admitted.
And this is what you might call an off-the-books operation if it was an operation, which it certainly seems like it was an operation.
And nobody's living to talk about it.
And the whole thing is just being put to bed like that.
Like, why would you be putting this to bed unless you had something to hide?
And maybe you do have something to hide because maybe it would be pretty darn demoralizing for the world to learn just how bad, in fact, our government might indeed be.
And so she's got some leverage here and she's trying to use it.
She's trying to use it and whether or not she succeeds in this, again, I would be surprised.
I think she hasn't spoken out enough or much in part because she's no fool, right?
She's no dummy.
She knows the danger that she's in and she's not willing to go down that path.
She saw what happened to her dad.
If you believe that he was a spy for Israel and various other places, including possibly us, again, this is all speculation, but they've written books on it, okay?
So like it's maybe more than speculation.
There's certainly a lot of information that's never been actually confirmed about her father.
She was the youngest of nine children, apparently his favorite, continuing on in the family business, first in media, and apparently he had all these intel connections and it's thought that maybe she even hand plucked, if you would one, Jeffrey Epstein, who was nothing but a math teacher at Dalton, a fancy private school, interesting high school and younger school, actually a math teacher there in New York City.
And she plucks him out after he had kind of been down on his luck as a trader on Wall Street and suddenly, by the way, introduced by the guy who started Victoria's Secret Limited Brands Wexler, who was allegedly very close to a lot of intelligence ops as well.
Somehow she gets introduced to him, befriends him, so to speak.
I mean, like you gotta ask the question, was she like the handler?
I mean, if you believe that and again, like i'm admitting my own biases, I I have a hard time with what they're trying to tell us to.
It almost makes you want to look there more, right?
I mean, this was so badly, badly, badly rolled out.
And a lot of people, and I get it, are seeking justice here.
They want justice for the victims, obviously, and they want some kind of accountability.
If people were doing bad stuff, we should know about it.
One, in terms of the list, so to speak, and two, in terms of what our government may have known or not known.
And that's not right either.
And I just get the sense that we may not see what we want because I think a lot of it got put to bed already.
I was joking about born identity, right?
If you've ever seen that series, you know, when they'd close up shop, you know, you'd have some operation in Timbuktu and suddenly they get to close down the op and everything goes away, right?
Everything goes away.
Everything gets shredded.
Everything goes mysteriously disappears.
People mysteriously disappear and it's all made to look very, very, you know, very legit, except, except.
So now you get a big, giant mess.
Okay, you get a big, giant mess, not just in terms of how it might look if it seems as though the U.S. knew this was going on, but you also just have a mess in terms of politically speaking for MAGA itself.
And this is one of my concerns.
I mean, Donald Trump weighing in on Dan Bongino saying he's going to quit.
I can tell you, Dan. has no interest in carrying anyone's water and doesn't want to be lied to and may actually feel like he got a really raw deal.
And you know what he did?
He did because he was out there having to promote a point of view that was obviously very different than anything he had told us previously, especially on his podcast.
And, you know, did he believe it?
I have a hard time thinking that Dan would tell us something that he didn't believe.
But it was also like he was sort of set up in a way, right?
He was sort of set up.
Don't forget, he and Kash Patel went on with my good friend and former colleague, Maria Bartiromo, to say, there's no there there.
And people were like, wait, what?
What?
Let's go back in time.
Remember this?
Are we going to be surprised at what you learned?
You know what, Maria?
Cash is not kidding.
We've been personally briefed extensively on every single detail, nugget, tendril of this case.
One is actively in court right now, so out of respect for the case, it's probably more appropriate that I stay quiet on that.
However, I'm not going to tell people what they want to hear.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
And whether you like it or not is up to you.
If there was a big explosive there, there, right?
Given my history as a Secret Service agent and my personal friendship, as a director does with the president, give me one logical, sensible reason we would not have.
If you can think of one, there isn't.
There isn't.
In some of these cases, the there you're looking for is not there.
And I know people, I get it.
I understand.
It's not there.
If it was there, we would have told you.
Okay.
Again, I'm just going to say, like, if it's a good op, you're not even going to be able to convince Dan Bongino otherwise.
If this was done well, right, there will be a lot of questions, but they're also going to have something that looks pretty convincing, at least to some folks in the intelligence community.
But anyway, Dan went on a limb.
He didn't look that comfortable during that whole interview.
He said all that, and now he's kind of like, wait a second.
You're not gonna release anything?
Like, you're not even gonna tell us who was on the list?
You're just gonna make this whole thing go away?
Wait, there is no list?
And that actually has him at the point where I think he's uncomfortable enough that he feels he has to say, it's her or it's me.
And so this came to a head, as you know, on Friday.
We talked about it on Friday.
We talked about it on Saturday.
It came to a head.
And Dan was at the point where, you know, the point of no return.
He's like, it's her or me.
And I had said on Saturday, I really hope that Donald Trump can convince him to stay because he's a huge asset to the administration.
I'm not sure Dan is completely ready, willing, and able to stay at this point, but Donald Trump feels otherwise.
Here's Donald Trump speaking just a short time ago saying he talked to Dan.
Dan's in the office today.
Things are improving.
Oh, I think so.
I did.
I spoke to him today.
Dan Bonzino is a very good guy.
I've known him a long time.
I've done his show many, many times.
And he sounded terrific, actually.
No, I think he's in good shape.
So he thinks he's going to stay.
Again, you know, we'll see.
Like, this is not over.
Trump also putting this statement out over the weekend and trying to say, like, I don't understand what's going on.
Like basically, you guys are all fighting and this is not good.
What's going on with my boys?
And in some cases, my gals, they're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who is doing, he said, a fantastic job.
And why are you guys so focused on this?
And I would get back to this.
Like I think that people feel a little bit betrayed, right?
I think Dan Bongino feels a little bit betrayed, so much so that they had this big fight, apparently Pam Bondi and Dan Bongino, in front of Donald Trump, in front of Susie Wiles, his chief of staff. on Wednesday of last week.
And Pam started accusing him of leaking various things, including this story, actually, that was in News Nation, where, in other words, it was communicated that if Cash and Dan had their way, everything would be coming out.
Thousands of Pages Documents00:15:33
Well, duh.
I mean, like anybody who knows Dan, I don't know Cash as well, but I've known Dan a long time.
And like, trust me, Dan wants everything to come out.
What reporter doesn't, for goodness sakes?
I mean, Anna Paulina Luna also last week was weighing in on this thing.
And she's running that whole op, right, where they're going to be declassifying stuff.
She's like, the American people deserve to know the truth about Epstein, regardless of who it impacts.
And so there's all this evidence out there, and we ought to be able to see it.
She's making that point.
And rightly so, guys, rightly so.
In other words, the more you cover up, the more the government really doesn't trust you.
But, but, remember, if in fact it's what we think, if in fact there's U.S. involvement, or at least, you know, U.S. looking the other way, how's that going to look?
Right.
How's that going to look?
And so what possibly might be going on is an effort to kind of make this whole thing go away, sweep it under the rug and hope that, you know, we can move on to bigger and better stuff.
My only concern is that, you know, this runs the risk of really hurting the MAGA movement because people are so angry.
And part of that anger stems from Bondi having promised so much.
Remember?
I mean, she brought all the influencers in there and she's like, here, I get phase one, which was like nothing.
It was basically a bunch of public information that everybody had already seen.
Phase one of the Epstein files, here you go.
There's going to be a phase two.
She promised that.
And she kept saying, I'm going to get the documents.
And then she's like, I got the documents and we're just reviewing them.
She was really angry, she said, because she had been promised all these documents and at first didn't get them.
So she handed the influencers a bunch of stuff that was kind of you know, a nothing burger, and then went on to Fox to try and save her reputation, telling Hannity she's going to get more stuff.
We all did.
And the FBI handed over a couple hundred pages of documents.
But, you know, Sean, I gave them a deadline of Friday at 8 a.m. to get us everything.
And a source had told me where the documents were being kept Southern District of New York, shock.
So we got them all by hopefully all of them Friday at 8 a.m. thousands of pages of documents.
I have the FBI going through them and cash is also, now that we have cash here, it's a game changer.
Of course, and Cash is going to, Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
Okay.
So, but, all right.
Well, we never really got that detailed.
In fact, it sounds like the FBI would just love to release everything, but Pam doesn't want them to.
Somebody doesn't want them to, right?
I mean, she told us she had the goods.
And now she wants us to believe there's no list.
At least about 120 pages of documents.
And I started asking for these documents right when I came into office and before Kash Patel was in there.
So I ended up getting about 120 pages.
We carefully redacted them, of course, to be sure the 254 women who are victims of their personal information was redacted and out of there to protect them.
So I'm going through it and I kept saying, there has to be more.
There has to be more.
I'm assured that's it.
Cash, ask the same questions, assure there's no more.
Last, I found out, you know, this week that a source told me New York, SDNY, they're sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein.
Thousands, thousands.
And of course, you've seen the very strong letter.
We will get everything.
We will have it in our possession.
We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information and confidential witnesses, but the American people.
Have a right to know.
And Donald Trump is the most transparent president in our country.
So if she believes that, that the American people have the right to know, what happened?
Like, how did it change?
I mean, and why on earth did she keep telling us she had it all?
Like, what was that about?
A whole bunch of false promises.
DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to review.
That's been a directive by President Trump.
I'm reviewing that.
I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.
That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.
So, have you seen anything that you said, oh my gosh?
Not yet.
Hmm, not yet.
All right, not yet.
And yet she had it all, right?
She had it all and she was going to bring it all forward.
It was just a moment of time.
We were supposed to wait.
Here she is speaking with reporters.
No, no, the FBI.
Yeah, the FBI, they're reviewing there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child.
And there are hundreds of victims.
And no one victim will ever get released.
It's just the volume.
And that's what they're going through right now.
The FBI is diligently going through that.
I haven't seen that statement, but I'll call him later and find out.
Okay, so it sounds kind of like she wanted to blame the FBI, like the FBI is going through this.
We can't release this because of the FBI.
And then, yeah, Dan and Cash are sitting there, certainly Dan.
And they're saying, but wait a second.
Well, why can't we release some of this stuff?
So that's the question.
Like, why can't you?
And then we learn, oh, because there is nothing.
There's nothing to release at all.
And that's where I think you're getting into the sticking point because to say that there's no list and to try and shut it all down, That's where we're kind of having a problem.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I think that there's going to be serious consequences, political consequences for MAGA if this all gets swept under the rug.
And that's actually my concern right now, because I think that this can kind of take on a life of its own.
And suddenly when you have big time MAGA influencers agreeing with the mainstream media, then we're kind of in trouble.
Okay.
Like that.
Now it's like, oh, okay.
And they're, well, Tucker said this.
And Laura Loomer said this, and the danger here now is what happens if they do, trying to continue because it's bigger than Pam.
Okay, like Pam, you know.
Look Pam, we've said this before.
You know, maybe she's not the best at the gig and maybe Pam Um shouldn't be in that job.
I think that job should be somebody who is a brilliant attorney and a phenomenal, phenomenal manager.
I don't think Pam is, You know, I think she likes going on TV.
I didn't disagree with my former colleague, although we just overlapped for like a very brief time at Fox, Megan Kelly, who spoke about this over the weekend.
I don't love that it's taking on a life of its own in a way that is going to put enormous pressure on the president because ultimately the decision is going to be his, right?
And that's going to be extremely tricky.
But Megan's not wrong when she's like, what the heck is Pam Bondi doing in the job?
The problem is I think that this problem vis-a-vis whatever happened with Epstein is bigger than just Pam Bondi.
I mean, gosh darn it, maybe bigger than Trump.
Anyway, I want to play you an excerpt from what Megan had said there on stage at Turning Point USA.
Here we go.
I blame Pam Bondi.
I'll tell you why, okay?
I have nothing, yes, incompetence, yes.
She is the reason that things are unraveling around this story right now that virtually all of the Republican Party cares deeply about.
Who have you seen?
Pam Bondi.
She has never missed an opportunity to go on television and dangle sweet nothings that might be coming your way, try to lead you to believe that she's got it, it's on her desk, it's coming tomorrow, you're gonna see something on Epstein.
And it was a tease.
So you either believe that Pam Bondi was telling the truth then or that she's telling the truth now, but both cannot be true.
She was either lying when she was.
Yeah.
All right.
So what's going on, Pam?
Really?
Again, I just say that we got to be a little bit cautious here because look at how they're just coming out of the woodwork.
You got Jamie Raskin going on MSNBC saying, okay, you know what?
I want to get this list or at least to part with, and then they're making action.
Accusations about Trump, which I do not believe to be true and don't have anything to do with this.
But you know what?
They're going to feed that conspiracy.
So here we go.
Here's Jamie Raskin, a congressman speaking on his favorite network.
At that point, this is a matter of public interest.
All of this would have come out during that last trial, but it didn't come out.
And all of it should come out.
I sent a letter to the attorney general saying all of these files should be released.
Certainly the ones that mentioned Donald Trump, they should be released.
How can Donald Trump get away with campaigning for the release of these files and the whole Republican Party?
Be demanding it.
And Pam Bondi says that there's a client list sitting on her desk, and then all of a sudden they want to wave a magic wand and make it all go away.
So, look, I think this is a serious matter.
It's not just about the division on the right, it's a serious matter that we should know.
So, you see where they're going to take it.
Incidentally, Pam has responded to that, saying, You know what?
I misspoke.
I didn't mean a list per se.
I meant the files.
Well, that was a heck of a misspeaking thing to say, right?
Because it just ignited everything.
Here she was.
Just the other day, saying, you know, there actually was no list.
And we're all like, really?
And by the way, Maxwell's still in prison.
Maybe not for long.
Go ahead.
Sure, sure.
First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox, and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file, along with the JFK, MLK files as well.
That's what I meant by that.
To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.
We can get back to you on that.
And the minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter.
And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that video.
It was old from like 1999.
So every night, the video is.
Reset and every night should have the same minute missing.
So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing it.
Guys, I mean, Bungino totally got a raw deal, right?
He had a great show.
Who the heck needs that?
Then you got to go out and cover for this mess.
And it is a mess.
All right.
Because again, like you heard her, she wasn't even able to talk about whether or not Epstein was part of an Intel community.
That was an interesting answer.
She said, Well, we'll have to get back to you on that.
I'm not aware of anything.
I don't know anything about that.
But that was an interesting answer.
I suspect that in fact he absolutely positively was.
I mean, how could he?
I mean, it certainly looked like it, right?
And I'm going to use what other people have said.
Like, you know, if this was not an Intel op, it sure as heck looked like one, for sure.
You think about Ghislaine Maxwell herself, right?
And now she's looking possibly to appeal this 20-year sentence.
I just want to point out, you know, she was her father's favorite.
Her father is believed to have been connected. to Israeli intelligence, U.S. intelligence, possibly even having done some work for the KGB.
So she came from this sort of family line of business.
He was very instrumental in getting her, or Israel, I should say, it's believed, this so-called Promise software, which built in a backdoor for the U.S. and Israel, allegedly, to allow for this software to follow various people of interest. backdoor entry so that they knew what everybody else was looking at and what they were seeing.
And if this software was that fantastic, is that the software that was actually on his home base, on his island in the BVI?
That's a worthwhile, like nothing's getting answered.
Like what happened to all the tapes and the cameras?
Why don't we know anything about that?
So if Ghislaine comes forward now, that would be a pretty big deal.
Again, they're saying, you know what?
She wasn't a spy.
He definitely wasn't a spy.
Actually, they haven't said that she wasn't a spy, but he definitely wasn't.
And it just doesn't really add up.
I keep going back to this idea that Jeffrey Epstein sort of came from nowhere and suddenly became uber wealthy.
And we can't even fully document like where the source of the wealth was.
Well, why not go through all the financial records?
Why not have somebody do that?
Like that investigation should happen.
And, you know, maybe the investigation needs to happen just so that the public has some kind of peace of mind.
If there's no there there, then do the full on investigation.
Okay.
Do the money tracing.
Figure out who was paying him and why.
But if you're not going to do that, we're going to be stuck here left with all of these questions.
And my concern is what those questions do now to MAGA as a whole.
Because it leaves, I think, a very splintered faction where, you know, some people are like, okay, well, who cares?
That's what the president has said.
Like, why are we going to waste all our time on this guy?
Other people are saying, well, it's not just this guy.
It's what possibly the government was doing or other governments were doing.
It's the victims that were involved.
And we want to make sure that people are held accountable.
But it's obviously complex thing because what you may find out is information that they really really really don't want you to have i'm sorry but this missing minute thing is bonkers like we've talked about this it's somehow they reset the cameras it's missing there's too many convenient things right you know like they move him to a private cell so there's nobody else around and then somehow the guys are taking a nap, the security guards when this is all happening.
And then people are thinking that maybe this video was actually tampered with as well, some of the metadata.
And some of you guys have even emailed me information about this as well.
But this is from Wired.
But there's all these ambiguities about the video.
It's all so freaking bizarre.
And then on top of which, you know, you get this lousy rollout where they're like, we've got it.
We're going to release it.
White House Transparency Issues00:14:46
Oh, yeah.
We need a little more time.
The Epstein list, it's on my desk, Pam says.
And then apparently there is no list.
So I don't think anybody was born yesterday and nobody appreciates being lied to.
And Dan Bongino, if he was actually being encouraged to do some of the lying, I guarantee he doesn't want any part of it.
And he's going to say, who the heck needs this?
Thank you very much.
Let me go back to doing my podcast every day where, you know, I can speak my mind as opposed to having to carry the company water.
But again, I point out with some caution that the left is going to use this for all it's worth.
We heard evidence of that, not just from MSNBC with Jamie Raskin, but also over on CNN.
The MAGA base has felt so strongly about Jeffrey Epstein since his crimes came to light.
And this has been sort of a rallying cry on the right.
There's been some of it, by the way, well documented his crimes, others that kind of turn over into the conspiracy space, thinking that prominent left wingers are going to get wrapped up in this sort of network that he was associated with.
But this is the first time I can really remember that Trump is sidestepping his base and not.
Doing what they're very vocally asking him to do.
And so, as there's these calls now by some on the right for Pam Bondi to step aside or to resign and be fired, the thing I would say is if Donald Trump wants all of the information the government has on Jeffrey Epstein to be released, he can make that available.
He can direct the attorney general to release it.
He can move to whether it may be law enforcement sensitive to declassify that and make it public.
So, the fact that he's not, I think, raises a lot of questions.
And this is an issue this White House is not going to be able to make go away overnight.
You know, this would be a convenient time.
Another White House would be able to say, hey, the Department of Justice is independent.
We don't tell them what to do.
But that is not how this DOJ and this White House operate.
So folks are going to expect Donald Trump to weigh in on this.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, it's very easy for the Laura Loomers of the world or whomever to blame this on Pam Bondi.
He's not wrong.
She's not wrong.
In other words, at some point this is going to escalate and it's no longer going to be Pam's fault, it's going to be somebody else's fault and it's going to be the big guy's fault right, like that's just.
And that's the danger here, I think, for MAGA, because I think a lot of people wouldn't be able, quite you know, like they'll forgive them a lot, but they're they're having a hard time with this, and I'm seeing this in your comments, guys.
I'm seeing this in your comments and your reactions, and some of you have reached out to me.
I'm seeing this just anecdotally, in people that I've talked to.
This is going to be a hard one and it's something that do you ever watch?
Scott Adams, he's got like a, a show he does really kind of neat over on Rumble.
I want to play you a clip from Scott Adams where he's saying, look, I get it, but, and he's making the point I'm making that this is starting to get kind of risky in terms of the overall movement as well.
Here, listen.
Would you agree that if the normal court system and the way we deal with crime is that we want full disclosure and we want the public to, you know, except for very special cases, We want the public to know everybody who's accused.
We want to know who the accusers are, who the victims are.
We want to know the names of the lawyers, the judge.
We want to know it all.
And that's a reasonable standard for justice.
Would you agree?
That if Epstein is a criminal situation, and the way we handle criminal situations is we want maximum disclosure, it's worked before.
There's no reason this would be different.
Would you agree?
That's a perfectly reasonable take, and that's what most of you have settled on.
And now I'm going to flip you to my point of view.
That's the wrong frame.
It is a criminal situation, and everything you think about it fits that criminal situation frame.
But here's the frame I put on it it's a commander in chief decision.
Commander-in-Chief.
Okay.
So if it's a commander-in-chief decision, that's why I'm just saying we're playing with fire here.
And MAG is going to really be at risk of not saying that we don't deserve all this, but this is going to be a tricky one, right?
To navigate.
Like, how do you, and maybe the answer, I'm speaking out loud.
I'm thinking out loud.
You know, I think as I talk here on the show, looking at all your comments.
Thank you so much for winging because, you know, how do you get out of this?
Maybe you get out of this by at least providing some transparency, whatever transparency you can, without completely just blowing open what I think might be there, which is that if he was working for foreign intelligence services, we knew about it.
And we didn't do anything about it because guess what?
We were in on the act.
That's my personal belief.
And that's going to be demoralizing and horrible.
And, you know, even Donald Trump perhaps doesn't want all of that to come forward.
But is there somewhere in between where at least we can feel like some justice is being done?
And that the perpetrators and the people that, you know, I mean, you got victims here.
Who engaged in this behavior?
We need to know a little more about that.
And maybe, maybe Maxwell will be the key.
I mean, if she makes it that far, right?
I mean, she's saying she's going to talk.
She's willing to talk, apparently.
I think that this story may have gotten planted by some Dems who definitely want her to talk or at least frighten some people.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, but somebody put this story out.
And if she's really willing to speak, then that kind of is the whole game changer.
If she'll tell the truth.
If she'll tell the truth and she will talk about who's on the list and what actually really went down.
So maybe that's the middle ground here.
You bring her in for testimony.
The other person I would like to see brought in for testimony would be Alex Acosta.
In other words, what did he know to make the decision that Jeffrey Epstein should not get a really bad punishment that one normally would have gotten in the state of Florida for what he was being accused of doing?
Why did they do that?
And is there any there there to the Daily Beast report at the time that he was told, oh, you know, this guy's one of us.
He's one of our Intel ops.
He belongs to us.
Don't do anything too crazy.
give him a decent enough sentence so he can go on his way.
We need to ask Acosta that.
Again, former labor secretary, bring him in.
Bring Maxwell in.
I mean, let's learn what we can learn.
Again, because I think that the MAGA movement is not going to sit by and allow this to happen.
I think it's going to be very hard for people to move on here because we're all about transparency and we're all about what's fair and what's right.
And you think about deep state and what they did do.
And if they cover this one up, are they going to do more stuff in the future?
That's the reality of where we are right now.
As for Bongino, look, I don't know if he's going to stay on.
I really don't.
I think he's kind of had it and he doesn't want to be part of this.
And I get it.
I get it.
We'll see if the president is able to keep him.
He's a good egg.
But there's a lot going on in this particular moment in time.
Also a lot going on with the auto pen scandal.
This thing's heating up.
And as I told you, you know what?
Fauci, you might be in trouble because those pardons could be null and void.
Biden doing a big New York Times article trying to say, you know, he who was involved in this, he made the decisions.
You know, they just decided to speed things up with technology.
Well, I think that there's going to be some serious questions raised because it is believed. that he actually didn't know everything that was going on.
When he did actually want to do a pardon, he did his son, interestingly.
But everybody else, everybody else went right through the system.
You're talking 8,000 plus at the end there.
I mean, that was the most anybody's ever done.
It was outrageous.
Absolutely outrageous.
You want to talk about people lying.
For goodness sakes, he told us over and over and over and over again.
Every interview he could, every chance he could get.
Oh, I'm not going to pardon my son.
Except that's the only one he legitimately really did do.
Here's Donald Trump speaking moments ago on the Otto's pen scandal from the White House.
I mean, you're talking about the Otto pen.
Look, the Otto pen, I think, is maybe one of the biggest scandals that we've had in 50 to 100 years.
This is a tremendous scandal.
And I know the people on the other side of the Osiris desk, that Resolute desk.
Unfortunately, he used it before me.
But, you know, we have our choice of seven desks.
They're all beautiful.
But I chose the Resolute, and so did he.
Unfortunately.
But the people on the other side of the Resolute desk, I know them.
Lisa, the whole group, and they're no good.
They're sick people.
And I guarantee he knew nothing about what he was signing.
I guarantee it.
Hmm.
So that's what's going to come up.
Did he really know anything about what he was signing?
Was he in the right frame of mind?
I mean, don't forget, it's hard to get to the bottom of.
We do know that they didn't want to prosecute him, remember, because they didn't think he was in the right frame of mind.
They said, you can't put this guy up in front of a jury.
They'll just think he's a sad old man who can't remember anything.
They were willing to prosecute Donald Trump for having taken quote unquote classified documents.
Remember all of that.
But nope, not Biden.
And then when we tried to figure out what's going on, I mean, why is it?
For example, that he has such an advanced stage of cancer for a simple test that should have been tested and that the doctor should have tested him for.
For goodness sakes, he's the president of the United States.
Why would you not give the president the very best medical care in the world and then the doctor just completely shut down, took the fifth?
He's a worried guy.
Were you ever told to lie about the president's health?
On the advice of counsel, Mr. Expectly declined to answer.
Did you ever believe the president was unfit? to execute his duties as president.
On the advice of counsel, I must respectfully decline to answer.
Are you declining to answer the question put to you solely on the ground that you believe the answer will incriminate you?
On the advice of counsel, I must respectfully decline to answer based upon the physician's patient privilege and in reliance on my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
So he's not talking much, okay?
So this scandal's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
And if it turns out that Biden didn't know who he was signing off on, then can the Trump administration call those null and void?
Many believe so, which would put one Anthony Fauci in a really, really bad spot because it has now come out that guess what?
Anthony Fauci's pardon was done by the autopen.
Mm-hmm.
So if the autopen is null and void because the president didn't know what he was signing, even though he's trying to suggest he did, I'd like to see if he knows all 8,000 names on there, right?
If you read them off to him, does he even know who they are?
Probably not.
He only knew one guy.
And for that guy, he signed himself.
Looks different.
It looks authentic.
In fact, if you look at the last name, it almost looks like the president was having a hard time spelling his last name there.
Is this White House of the opinion that the only pardon that would count is one that the president signed himself?
It's very interesting.
Very interesting props.
If you want to bring them to my office later so I can take a closer look, I would like to do that.
The president is making a good point when he discusses the usage of the autopen.
Who was running the country for the past four years?
Perhaps those documents were signed with the Auto Pen, something that this, I believe, the Department of Justice is looking into.
As you saw, Ed Martin made an announcement at the Department of Justice this morning to launch an investigation because the American people deserve answers.
Is there any concern that this president, who won the election on a promise to fix the economy and close the border, that focusing and scrutinizing these Biden pardons is looking into the past instead of looking forward?
I think, in comparison to the amount of time this president has spent on Securing the border on fixing our economy.
I just read out for you an entire list of economic accomplishments.
Look at the border numbers.
Look at the time and effort he's divulged into solving the global conflicts abroad.
It pales in comparison, but it's still, nevertheless, a very important issue.
And it was a huge issue that sent the president back to this White House.
The Americans saw with their own eyes a mentally incompetent president, and they want answers for that.
And the president believes they should have.
And something that just crossed, Caroline, how mad do you think President Trump is going to be when he finds out that Elon Musk said, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore?
This massive outrageous. court-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.
So, you know, I would say this, though, as much as this president has promised transparency and, you know, getting to the bottom of the auto pen scandal is very much part of that, it gets back to still concern that we're not getting enough transparency when it comes to the conflict at hand, right?
The entire rollout of this Epstein thing, like, what is it that the FBI really believes in terms of Epstein.
That is still going to haunt this administration.
And I don't think there's like an easy path for them at this point because for whatever reason, they're making a decision not to do this.
They are making a decision.
They wanted to do this and suddenly it's getting shut down.
You got to ask yourself why and how do they salvage themselves and not allow for the vultures on the left to come in and completely break up the party right before midterms, interestingly enough, right?
That would be really bad.
Funny Independence Balance Nature00:02:32
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Tom Homan down in Tampa at Charlie's event, their turning point, totally nuking this heckler.
I wanted to show you this one because this is what we call in the business some pretty good sound.
I mean, it gets a little, well, not so classy at the end, but it's okay.
It's funny.
It's funny, okay?
Pardon me?
Are you an MS-13 member?
It says so.
Hey, hey, that's okay.
That's okay.
I got a question.
No, no, no.
I got a question for you.
Why don't you come up here and hand me that picture?
He's got the crowd.
Cooperate ICE Arrest Amnesty00:04:15
Here we go.
They got moreons like this around the country.
Whoa.
This guy, this guy wouldn't know it's like the surface nation.
This guy ain't got the balls to be an ice officer.
He hasn't got the balls to be a home trooper.
This guy lives in his mother's basement.
The only thing that surprised me is you don't have purple hair and a nose ring.
Get out of here, you loser.
Woo!
And you're such a badass, meet me off stage in 13 minutes and 50 seconds.
I guarantee you he sits down to pee.
Okay, I told you it got a little crude at the end.
But anyway, you know, Tom doesn't mess around.
He was kind of fired up.
The kids were fired up.
I'm not sure how that guy got in there, but I'm sure he saw his way out pretty quickly.
Tom making it very clear he backs the president's policy.
They're not going to allow for amnesty, even for people who came here, right, to support farmers, workers, et cetera.
Him saying this just this past week.
I can tell you one thing, though.
One thing I'm reading in the media that's not true.
There will be no amnesty.
Yeah, no amnesty, absolutely none.
You know, it's coming at a time when a lot of these sanctuary city mayors are running a very real risk of being arrested.
The president has already said vis-a-vis Memdani, who's running for mayor of New York City.
Actually, Cuomo just announced a campaign as well today.
So, you know, we'll see where Memdani gets.
But Memdani's running there for New York City mayor, and he has made it very clear that he intends to not cooperate with ICE at all, that he would stand directly.
In the way of that, the president responded by saying, Well, then we would arrest him.
So it seems to me that the same logic would apply right here.
Division.
Look, we are welcoming city ordinance.
Our local police department will not ever cooperate with ICE, whatever their constitutional authority is.
Yeah.
Well, if you're not going to cooperate with ICE, despite the fact that they do have constitutional authority, then you may very well find yourself under arrest.
Donald Trump certainly communicated that quite recently when asked the question.
Mr. President, your beloved New York City, your beloved New York City may well be led by a communist soon, Zorhan Mandami, who in his nomination speech said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE to arrest criminal aliens in New York City.
Your message to communist Zorhan Mandami?
Well, then we'll have to arrest him.
Yeah, we'll have to arrest him, he said.
Okay.
We will have to arrest him.
So when you consider Brandon Johnson saying that one last week, you consider what's already been said from the president, you consider where Tom Homan is on all of this.
I would not be surprised if we start seeing some of these arrests.
You consider what happened already in New Jersey with the Congresswoman.
Oh, you know, you know, I got to say it like once a shot.
La Monica, La Monica MacGyver getting herself.
Indicted.
Now having to file a non-guilty plea, she says she's not guilty because, guess what?
This lady's getting charged with violating title 18 U.s Code section 111 a1 for assaulting, impeding and interfering with law enforcement.
And when you look back at that video, it really seems.
It really seems that she was actually assaulting.
And that takes it to another level.
Right, it's one thing if you're Karen Bass and you're saying we're not going to cooperate.
Or if you're uh, Brendan Johnson in Chicago and you're not going to cooperate, that's one thing.
But if you're doing what LaMonica MacGyver was doing and you're like showing up and then physically trying to push your way through, as she was, you may have a whole other problem.