The Trish Regan Show - NPR CEO HUMILIATED in Live Hearings---DEFUNDING BEGINS!
Aired: 2025-03-27
Duration: 30:27


=== History Written By Losers (01:18) ===

[00:00:01]  And we're back with audio this time.
[00:00:04]  Hello, everyone.
[00:00:04]  Welcome to the Trish Regan Show.
[00:00:06]  I am Trish.
[00:00:06]  Good to have you here.
[00:00:07]  Really good to have you here.
[00:00:09]  Make sure you subscribe, like, share, hit the bell.
[00:00:11]  I'll tell you, this is big news day because we have basically the destruction of NPR and PBS going on right before our eyes.
[00:00:22]  Lots of fireworks on Capitol Hill.
[00:00:24]  We're going to get to all of those because you would not believe some of the things that the woman who runs NPR had to say.
[00:00:29]  Really a tragedy in and of her.
[00:00:31]  self who doesn't seem to really understand or recognize the importance of truth.
[00:00:35]  In fact, according to Catherine Mara at NPR, truth doesn't really matter.
[00:00:38]  She used to run Wikipedia.
[00:00:40]  And well, we all know how Wikipedia goes.
[00:00:43]  Do we not?
[00:00:44]  I think Elon said it best.
[00:00:46]  History is usually written by the victors, unless of course you live in nowadays and history is written by the losers who are on Wikipedia all day, who have nothing better to do than, you know, basically take aim at the winners.
[00:01:00]  Anyway, we're going to talk about that.
[00:01:02]  Plus, plus, plus.
[00:01:05]  I think there's a lot more to this Signal Tech story.
[00:01:07]  I really do.
[00:01:08]  I mean, just my sixth sense of things.
[00:01:10]  I suspect that it may have been a setup, and I want to give you some of my perspective and sense of why that may be.

=== The Reparations Debate Setup (04:27) ===

[00:01:19]  And then we're going to talk about, do we have to?
[00:01:21]  We do.
[00:01:21]  Jasmine Crockett again, because Jasmine Crockett is actually now being charged with assault.
[00:01:26]  Lovely little lady that she is.
[00:01:28]  But we begin today, thank you again for being here, on NPR.
[00:01:31]  NPR being defunded in the here, in the now, because I'll tell you, it's not going well for one Catherine Maher on Capitol Hill.
[00:01:39]  She's just getting sort of pounded every which way to Sunday because she clearly has a very loose relationship with the truth, which is kind of a problem when you're running national public radio, which thinks it's so important and has that kind of hushed way of speaking, very slow, very soft, as though they're telling you some kind of secret.
[00:02:01]  Anyway, her secret is that she doesn't care one bit about the truth.
[00:02:04]  It's not so much a secret.
[00:02:05]  She actually said this in a TED talk not too long ago.
[00:02:09]  Maybe we'll go to it.
[00:02:09]  But first, I want you to see Brandon Gill.
[00:02:13]  You want to talk about new up and coming superstar, Brandon Gill out of Texas.
[00:02:19]  He's a conservative congressman from Texas, junior congressman, kind of putting Jasmine Crockett, also a junior person, congressperson to shame.
[00:02:27]  Brandon Gill asking Catherine a series of questions.
[00:02:32]  This is explosive, and I want to watch it here together with you.
[00:02:39]  Ms. Marr, I want to start with you.
[00:02:41]  Just generally, would you say you generally agree or disagree with the following statement?
[00:02:46]  The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles?
[00:02:52]  I would not say I agree with that statement.
[00:02:53]  You're not.
[00:02:54]  That's good to hear.
[00:02:54]  It's interesting because a lot of your thinking, as expressed by your public statements, is deeply infused with economic and cultural Marxism.
[00:03:03]  Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?
[00:03:07]  I believe that I tweeted that, and as I've said earlier, I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade.
[00:03:14]  It has evolved.
[00:03:15]  Why did you tweet that?
[00:03:16]  I don't recall the exact context, sir, so I wouldn't be able to say.
[00:03:20]  Okay.
[00:03:21]  Do you believe that America believes in black plunder and white democracy?
[00:03:25]  I don't believe that, sir.
[00:03:28]  You tweeted that in reference to a book you were reading at the time, apparently, The Case for Reparations.
[00:03:34]  I don't think I've ever read that book, sir.
[00:03:37]  You tweeted about it.
[00:03:39]  You said you took a day off to fully read the case for reparations.
[00:03:43]  You put that on Twitter in January of 2020.
[00:03:46]  I apologize, I don't recall that I did.
[00:03:48]  Okay.
[00:03:48]  I'd no doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall that.
[00:03:53]  Okay.
[00:03:53]  Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?
[00:03:58]  I do not.
[00:03:58]  You don't?
[00:03:59]  You tweeted something to that effect.
[00:04:01]  You said, I grew up feeling superior.
[00:04:03]  Ha, how white of me.
[00:04:05]  Why did you tweet that?
[00:04:06]  I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to be.
[00:04:10]  To grow up in an environment where I had lots of advantages.
[00:04:14]  It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior.
[00:04:17]  I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir.
[00:04:20]  I was just reflecting on my own experiences.
[00:04:22]  Do you think that white people should pay reparations?
[00:04:24]  I have never said that, sir.
[00:04:25]  Yes, you did.
[00:04:28]  You said it in January of 2020.
[00:04:29]  You tweeted, Yes, the North.
[00:04:31]  Yes, all of us.
[00:04:32]  Yes, America.
[00:04:33]  Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt.
[00:04:36]  Yes, reparations.
[00:04:37]  Yes, on this day.
[00:04:38]  I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.
[00:04:41]  What kind of reparations was it a reference to?
[00:04:43]  I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.
[00:04:48]  That's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted.
[00:04:52]  Okay, how much reparations have you personally paid?
[00:04:57]  Sir, I don't believe that I've ever paid reparations.
[00:05:01]  Okay, just for everybody else.
[00:05:03]  I'm not asking anyone to pay reparations.
[00:05:05]  Seems to be what you're suggesting.
[00:05:07]  Do you believe that looting is morally wrong?
[00:05:09]  I believe that looting is illegal and I refer to it as counterproductive.
[00:05:12]  I think it should be prosecuted for the purpose of the crime.
[00:05:15]  Do you believe it's morally wrong, though?
[00:05:15]  Of course.
[00:05:16]  Of course.
[00:05:17]  Then why did you refer to it as counterproductive?
[00:05:19]  It's a very different way to describe it.
[00:05:22]  It is both morally wrong and counterproductive as well as being wrong.
[00:05:26]  You tweeted, it's hard to be mad about protests in reference to the BLM protests not prioritizing the private property of a system of oppression.
[00:05:36]  You didn't condemn the looting.
[00:05:37]  You said that it was counterproductive.
[00:05:38]  NPR also promoted a book called In Defense of Looting.
[00:05:44]  Do you think that that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars?

=== Corporate Donors And Lies (09:30) ===

[00:05:46]  I'm unfamiliar with that book, sir, and I don't.
[00:05:49]  I believe that was at my time in a book.
[00:05:51]  You tweeted that you read that book, but.
[00:05:52]  I don't believe that I did read that book, Sarah.
[00:05:54]  I mean, come on.
[00:05:59]  So she tweets that she reads something, even though she really hasn't read it, other than she can't recollect having read it.
[00:06:06]  I just want to point out that this lady from Connecticut, who was a Middle Eastern scholar, student in college and studied at Cairo University and is clearly about as left and woke and woohoo as you can possibly get you know.
[00:06:25]  I know she's woohoo because she did this Ted talk and this Ted talk really proved she cared nothing about the truth.
[00:06:33]  Think about this, she was running Wikipedia and she's so proud that the Wikipedians are like trying to search for something, but truth doesn't really even matter.
[00:06:41]  How can truth not matter when you're running NPR, National Public Radio?
[00:06:45]  Defund them all, I say, but one of the most significant differences, critical for moving from polarization to productivity, Is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth.
[00:06:59]  They're working for something that's a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now.
[00:07:09]  And after seven years there, I actually believe that they're onto something.
[00:07:13]  That for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn't necessarily the best place to start.
[00:07:22]  In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might have become.
[00:07:26]  A bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done.
[00:07:34]  All right, this is who's running the media these days, guys, okay?
[00:07:41]  NPR has a lot of influence.
[00:07:42]  PBS has a lot of influence.
[00:07:43]  Catherine Marr, with her Middle Eastern studies scholarship, she's got a really big platform.
[00:07:53]  First at Wikipedia, now at NPR.
[00:07:56]  Should someone like that, with so clearly a bias, who doesn't believe in truth and thinks it's, you know, kind of a waste of time to be pursuing it?
[00:08:04]  Should she be really running the head?
[00:08:06]  Should she be head of a journalist organization, and should she be getting any taxpayer money for it?
[00:08:10]  I don't think so.
[00:08:11]  Look, NPR is NPR.
[00:08:14]  It'll sort of make you throw up if you listen to too much of it, because their bias is just like oozing out of the speakers every single time you listen to it.
[00:08:24]  And yet they're pretending that they're totally something else.
[00:08:27]  They're pretending like they're this great journalist organization.
[00:08:30]  A great journalist organization Would have actually followed up on things like, oh, I don't know, the Hunter Biden laptop.
[00:08:36]  Here she is saying, oh, yeah, oopsie, oopsie.
[00:08:40]  First of all, I do want to say that NPR acknowledges that we were mistaken in failing to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story more aggressively and sooner.
[00:08:48]  Our current editorial leadership.
[00:08:50]  Wuhan?
[00:08:51]  We recognize that we were reporting at the time, but we acknowledge that the new CIA evidence is worthy of coverage and have covered it.
[00:08:59]  Yeah.
[00:09:01]  Sort of covered it, right?
[00:09:04]  I mean, Catherine Moore doesn't like those inconvenient truths.
[00:09:08]  The truth only matters to what she thinks it should be.
[00:09:12]  And this is how everybody's been indoctrinated there at NPR.
[00:09:17]  Again, remember she's the one that used to run Wikipedia.
[00:09:20]  Remember what Elon had to, he said it best.
[00:09:22]  I'm going to play this clip for you.
[00:09:23]  Elon on Wikipedia.
[00:09:27]  You know, like there's an old saying, like, history is written by the victors.
[00:09:31]  It's like, well, yes, but not if your enemies are still alive and have a lot of time on their hands to edit Wikipedia.
[00:09:37]  History is written by the people who can harness the most editors.
[00:09:44]  Yeah, I mean, you know, the losers just got a lot of time on their hands.
[00:09:49]  And, you know, what do they do?
[00:09:50]  Edit Wikipedia.
[00:09:53]  Apparently.
[00:09:53]  Apparently.
[00:09:53]  And they do so with the blessing of the woman who now runs NPR.
[00:10:03]  So let's look at the funding.
[00:10:05]  So overall, they get 40% from corporate sponsorships.
[00:10:08]  I'm going to tell you those are going down the drain as we speak.
[00:10:10]  They do get some from individual donors.
[00:10:12]  They get some from member stations, which, by the way, are fed with other vehicles.
[00:10:17]  Don't think that there isn't government funding in here somewhere.
[00:10:19]  And they do get some money from CPB, which actually is a tax.
[00:10:25]  founder organization.
[00:10:26]  I say, you know, you don't give them so much as 25 cents.
[00:10:29]  And you've got Amazon, you've got Microsoft, Subaru, Capital One, go down the list, Target, of course, Target in there.
[00:10:36]  I don't think these companies are going to want to be forking over many dollars, though, in light of some of the things that have come out about this woman who does not believe in the truth, who goes up there and says, oh, no, I didn't read that book.
[00:10:50]  I didn't say this.
[00:10:51]  This was terrific.
[00:10:52]  Bill Ackman, he tweeted this one out and he's spot on.
[00:10:55]  What does he say?
[00:10:56]  Oh, she's basically a very gifted, a gifted. liar.
[00:10:59]  This woman is an articulate and poised liar.
[00:11:02]  Don't take my word for it.
[00:11:04]  Just listen to her answers and watch her body language.
[00:11:08]  NPR should be a source of truth information and knowledge, not a mouthpiece and propaganda instrument for one political party, which is all it is.
[00:11:17]  That's all it's been.
[00:11:19]  Bill Ackman, by the way, a legendary hedge fund investor, runs his own fund, smart guy who's been more and more expressive recently.
[00:11:29]  You know, as many of these people.
[00:11:31]  Have been that have the money and that were afraid to say things before.
[00:11:35]  He's being very vocal now, which is a good thing.
[00:11:38]  I'm telling you, you can't have organizations out there that are being fed these massive amounts of money just to have one political bias.
[00:11:46]  I mean at least FOX NEWS you know where they're coming from, Newsmax you know where they're coming from, but these guys NPR, sitting there like we're playing, like we're actually real journalists.
[00:11:56]  I'm sorry, I'm not buying it and you know who else I'm not buying, PBS.
[00:12:01]  PBS, also under attack today, getting exposed in these Capital Hill hearings.
[00:12:06]  Here's Paula Kruger trying to say that, you know, as CEO of PBS, she thinks that PBS is like the greatest thing ever and is so America.
[00:12:18]  PBS stations provide something that cannot be found on commercial networks.
[00:12:22]  This is because PBS stations are focused on the needs and interests of the viewers they serve, especially in rural areas.
[00:12:29]  PBS stations are the only outlet providing coverage of local events, for example, high school sports, local history and culture content, candidate debates at every level of the election ballot, and specialized agricultural news.
[00:12:43]  I would just say, you know what, that's all fine and great, so long as you don't give us the PBS spin on everything.
[00:12:50]  And unfortunately, the PBS spin is the mouthpiece of the left.
[00:12:55]  And there are some reasons for that, which we can get into.
[00:12:58]  But first of all, consider the money going into PBS.
[00:13:00]  Okay, corporate sponsorship, 20%.
[00:13:03]  I have a feeling that's going to dry up pretty soon.
[00:13:05]  Foundations and major donors, something like 25%.
[00:13:09]  That's a big, big part of what they do.
[00:13:11]  And guess what?
[00:13:13]  That's all Bill and Melinda Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation and all these super, super, super lefty organizations.
[00:13:22]  So they have to respond to their donors who want this super lefty stuff.
[00:13:30]  And that's what they're doing.
[00:13:31]  And I'm telling you guys, this is a problem.
[00:13:33]  This is a big part of where we are today and why nobody trusts the media, because the media does not deserve to be trusted.
[00:13:39]  They don't.
[00:13:41]  You know, this is what I love about being solo, and I'm totally solo here on the Trish Regan Show.
[00:13:47]  It's good to have you.
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[00:14:33]  But I'll tell you this, PBS is done for, done for, done for, done for, as it should be.
[00:14:38]  No more taxpayer dollars going to any of these things that are promoting so much.
[00:14:44]  Propaganda.
[00:14:45]  And that's what it is.
[00:14:46]  All these media organizations you see, are under fire right now because they've become nothing but propaganda outlets for the left.
[00:14:53]  And the FCC knows that.
[00:14:55]  Brendan Carr, who's head of the FCC, now under Trump, he knows it.
[00:14:58]  It's why actually, he's been sending letters to one, Bob Iger, over at Disney which runs ABC NEWS.
[00:15:03]  It's why he's sending letters to CNN, to NBC, and why do you think we're getting all the layoffs we're getting?
[00:15:09]  Why are you seeing anchors like a revolving door all leaving these networks because, guess what, the money's drawing drying up.

=== Funding Dries Up For Media (15:10) ===

[00:15:17]  They don't have anybody like USAID, I don't know, to fund all their projects anymore.
[00:15:22]  And that's going to be a problem.
[00:15:23]  You know, they were living, living pretty high and mighty there for a while.
[00:15:27]  You had this thing called the Smith-Munt Modernization Act.
[00:15:31]  If you've watched this show before, you've heard me talk about it.
[00:15:33]  And you know I'm going to keep talking about it because you need to remember this.
[00:15:37]  This is super important.
[00:15:38]  This is Obama's baby.
[00:15:39]  Basically, what Obama did was he lifted the ban on domestic propaganda.
[00:15:45]  So it used to be in the original Smith-Munt Act, from 1948 was a Cold War thing.
[00:15:50]  They wanted to be able to get their knowledge all over the world, their view of the world into every little country that they cared about, right?
[00:15:59]  Like these are only the countries they care about.
[00:16:01]  So if they want to affect regime change, et cetera, they want to make sure their message is heard.
[00:16:06]  And you could do that because we had sort of first mover advantage when it came to radio, when it came to TV, when it came to Hollywood, et cetera.
[00:16:13]  And so they poured a ton of money, taxpayer money, into these efforts.
[00:16:17]  But the deal was you were never allowed to turn it back on the domestic population in the United States of America.
[00:16:23]  Not until 2012 with Obama.
[00:16:27]  It was ratified in 2013 as part of the National Defense Act because somehow they thought, they thought that this would actually be able to counter any foreign produced narratives and you needed to be able to save democracy here at home.
[00:16:41]  So this happens in 2013.
[00:16:43]  Suddenly the money starts flowing.
[00:16:45]  Donald Trump comes into office and what do you think happened next, right?
[00:16:49]  Remember this because you've got these news organizations taking a ton of money.
[00:16:53]  AP's one of them.
[00:16:54]  Wow, $52 million.
[00:16:56]  Look at these numbers.
[00:16:57]  I mean, they were just raking it in.
[00:16:59]  The State Department was giving them somewhere around $8.5 million.
[00:17:03]  You had the U.S. Agency for Global Media at $37 million.
[00:17:06]  You wonder why the AP is as biased as it is, right?
[00:17:09]  Here's David Sacks and the cryptos are talking about all this misinformation and how it was effectively propaganda fed to the United States, courtesy of USAID and others.
[00:17:21]  Second, okay.
[00:17:23]  So we knew the U.S. government runs a $2 trillion deficit every year.
[00:17:28]  We're in debt almost $40 trillion.
[00:17:30]  And we also knew that anytime anyone tries to cut anything in Washington, the whole city screams bloody murder.
[00:17:36]  Okay, so the question is just why?
[00:17:38]  Well, now we know the money is all going to them.
[00:17:41]  It's like round tripping to them.
[00:17:43]  New York Times, getting paid.
[00:17:45]  Politico, getting paid.
[00:17:47]  Bill Crystal, perennial warmonger, getting paid.
[00:17:52]  Ukraine, getting paid.
[00:17:53]  Like 11 out of 12 publications in Ukraine, getting paid.
[00:17:56]  Incredible.
[00:17:56]  Viktor Orban, who's the prime minister of Hungary, was saying that he's very popular in Hungary.
[00:18:01]  His political opposition, funded by USAID.
[00:18:04]  In Poland, the left wing political opposition funded by USAID, and on and on and on it goes.
[00:18:11]  BBC.
[00:18:12]  BBC.
[00:18:12]  You wonder why everyone in the UK is so.
[00:18:14]  Yeah.
[00:18:14]  Yeah.
[00:18:15]  Like everyone.
[00:18:16]  I couldn't believe the BBC is getting paid.
[00:18:18]  Every left wing organization in the world seems to be getting paid by this slush fund at USAID, which disburses about $50 billion a year.
[00:18:26]  That's a billion dollars a week.
[00:18:28]  That's actually a lot of money.
[00:18:30]  And so it just makes you wonder, you know, the left in general tries to portray itself as.
[00:18:36]  A movement of the people that it's grassroots.
[00:18:38]  This is the exact opposite.
[00:18:39]  This is astroturf.
[00:18:40]  This is basically money coming from the top down out of Washington to fund all these groups, maybe not even in the United States, like all over the world.
[00:18:48]  So it makes you wonder what is the real level of local support for these left wing policies all over the world?
[00:18:57]  Not a lot, right?
[00:18:58]  I mean, what is the real support?
[00:19:00]  It's like a giant psychop.
[00:19:01]  You saw Bernie Sanders bragging about his 35,000 people, I think he called it even more.
[00:19:06]  that he had out in Denver, Colorado, and then somebody did a GPS analysis and they found out there were only 20,000 and change.
[00:19:13]  I mean, hey, you know, 35,000, 20,000, 20,000 is still a lot.
[00:19:18]  But then they found out that somewhere around 80 some odd percent of these people were like professional rally goers.
[00:19:26]  They had been to like nine Kamala rallies, which is a lot.
[00:19:30]  I don't even think Kamala had nine rallies, right?
[00:19:32]  I mean, not when you got to line them up and pay them to get in the door.
[00:19:36]  So David Sachs is onto something.
[00:19:39]  We're all onto something here.
[00:19:41]  In other words, the money was flowing.
[00:19:43]  So why do you think the layoffs are coming?
[00:19:45]  I just got a text from a friend who lost his job at Salon.
[00:19:47]  They're having layoffs over there.
[00:19:49]  Super liberal magazine.
[00:19:50]  You got layoffs going on everywhere.
[00:19:52]  And I mention this because we're going to get to those texts on Signal and what happened with Pete Hegseth and Mike and Mike Waltz and John Radcliffe.
[00:20:02]  And I think this is all somehow connected.
[00:20:03]  There's a takedown effort going on, whether it was going to be Russia, Russia, Russia back in 2016, or whether it's going to be you got a lousy staff that's like texting on Signal all the time.
[00:20:12]  There's something up.
[00:20:13]  But again, remember what we're talking about, the amount of money, basically a billion dollars a week.
[00:20:19]  going to media organizations.
[00:20:22]  It's striking.
[00:20:24]  It's scary.
[00:20:26]  And it was all authorized by one Barack Obama.
[00:20:29]  I will say this, you know what?
[00:20:31]  You need to have some faith in your institutions.
[00:20:34]  We don't have it right now, certainly not in the Democrat institutions, certainly not in the Joe Biden's of the world.
[00:20:39]  And this is something that Elon Musk brought up recently, the importance of trust.
[00:20:42]  Americans need to be able to trust these institutions and trust their leaders, which clearly we can't right now.
[00:20:47]  No wonder why.
[00:20:50]  If there's not a good feedback loop from the people to the government, and if you have rule of the bureaucrat, if the bureaucracy is in charge, then what meaning does democracy actually have?
[00:21:03]  If the people cannot vote and have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the form of the president and the Senate and the House, then we don't live in a democracy.
[00:21:14]  We live in a bureaucracy.
[00:21:17]  So it's incredibly important that we close that feedback loop, we fix that feedback loop.
[00:21:20]  group and that the public, the public's elected representatives, the president, the House, and the Senate decide what happened.
[00:21:28]  Yeah.
[00:21:30]  Okay, like, I'm sorry, but the good news is it's coming to an end.
[00:21:35]  I mean, it's a spectacular end, and let's hope it's coming to an end because, by the way, they're going to try and end Trump before he can do it.
[00:21:41]  I mean, this is exactly what we're seeing unfolding here with all the signal stuff.
[00:21:45]  Don't kid yourself.
[00:21:47]  I mean, there's a reason why it's happening as it's happening now.
[00:21:51]  I do believe it's a setup.
[00:21:52]  I'm just going to say that.
[00:21:53]  Like, I've thought about it a lot.
[00:21:55]  And I didn't rush to judgment.
[00:21:57]  In fact, when the story first broke, which would have been the day before last, I just sort of sat on it and I watched it and I thought, you know, what could really be going on here?
[00:22:06]  Are these just, you know, idiotic moves?
[00:22:09]  You know, look, it could happen to anyone, right?
[00:22:11]  Like you can send the wrong thing to someone.
[00:22:13]  Or is there something more here?
[00:22:15]  One thing that I found really compelling and interesting was that it was actually the Biden Intel department that put Signal, which is an app, a communications app, similar to, say, Telegram, if you've ever used Telegram, or similar to Discord, again, if you've ever used Discord, it's one of these apps, or WhatsApp.
[00:22:37]  It's similar to WhatsApp as well.
[00:22:38]  It's very well encrypted, though.
[00:22:39]  It's like the one thing that hopefully nobody can penetrate, but maybe somebody did, or maybe when it was set up, there was something fishy going on.
[00:22:48]  Maybe they did something with his phone in the back.
[00:22:50]  We can talk about that.
[00:22:51]  But one thing that struck out yesterday during the hearings, by the way, this story broke on the eve of the Intel hearings.
[00:22:59]  You think that's a coincidence?
[00:23:01]  I don't.
[00:23:01]  I think it's very, very well planned.
[00:23:03]  Anyway, here's John Radcliffe, head of the CIA, talking about how this stuff was all put on his computer and he was told he could use this and it was secure, et cetera.
[00:23:12]  So that we're clear, one of the first things that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers.
[00:23:23]  One of the things that I was briefed on very early, Senator, was by the CIA records management folks about the use of Signal as a permissible work use.
[00:23:36]  It is.
[00:23:37]  That is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration.
[00:23:42]  Okay, so he's making the point that this was basically authorized, right?
[00:23:45]  That they were able to communicate on this and that it was encouraged.
[00:23:49]  But here's my question.
[00:23:51]  When they loaded this, could there have been anything funny that's going on?
[00:23:56]  I mean, I'm just throwing this out there.
[00:23:58]  Could somebody have done something in the back to Mike Waltz's phone so that somebody was getting added and he didn't necessarily know?
[00:24:05]  I mean, he's out there.
[00:24:06]  He's taken the blame full on.
[00:24:08]  He's like, it's my fault.
[00:24:08]  I created the chat.
[00:24:10]  I'm responsible.
[00:24:10]  We are doing an investigation.
[00:24:12]  But again, I just point out that this sounds really, really weird, something that my former colleague over at Fox, Laura Ingram, highlighted yesterday when she spoke with him on this show.
[00:24:20]  I want to play you this clip.
[00:24:22]  But I can tell you, I can tell you for 100%.
[00:24:25]  I don't know this guy.
[00:24:27]  I know him by his horrible reputation, and he really is the bottom scum of journalists.
[00:24:32]  And I know him in the sense that he hates the president, but I don't text him.
[00:24:36]  He wasn't on my phone, and we're going to figure out how this happened.
[00:24:39]  So you don't know what staffer is responsible for this right now?
[00:24:43]  Well, look, a staffer wasn't responsible.
[00:24:45]  And look, I take full responsibility.
[00:24:47]  I built the group.
[00:24:49]  My job is to make sure everything's coordinated.
[00:24:52]  That's not how you execute.
[00:24:52]  I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but how did the number end up?
[00:24:55]  Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name and then you have somebody else's number there?
[00:25:01]  No, I don't want to make those mistakes.
[00:25:01]  Right?
[00:25:02]  You got somebody else's number on someone else's contact.
[00:25:06]  So, of course, I didn't see this loser in the group.
[00:25:08]  It looked like someone else.
[00:25:09]  Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.
[00:25:15]  So, a staffer did not put his contact information.
[00:25:20]  No, no.
[00:25:21]  But how did it end up there?
[00:25:22]  Well, that's what we're trying to figure out.
[00:25:24]  Okay.
[00:25:24]  But that's a pretty big question.
[00:25:26]  Probably.
[00:25:26]  That is what I know we've got the best technical minds, right?
[00:25:28]  That's disgusting.
[00:25:28]  And that's where, I mean, I'm sure everybody out there has had a contact where it was said one person and then a different phone number.
[00:25:38]  But you've never talked to him before, so how's the number on your phone?
[00:25:40]  I mean, I'm not an expert in any of this, but it's just curious how's the number on your phone?
[00:25:43]  Well, if you have somebody else's contact and then somehow it gets sucked in.
[00:25:49]  Oh, someone sent you that phone number.
[00:25:49]  It gets sucked in.
[00:25:50]  Was there someone else supposed to be on the chat that wasn't on the chat that you thought was on the chat?
[00:25:54]  So the person that I thought was on there, Was never on there.
[00:25:57]  It was.
[00:25:58]  Who was that person?
[00:25:59]  Well, I'm not.
[00:25:59]  Look, Laura, I take responsibility.
[00:26:02]  I built the group.
[00:26:05]  Wow.
[00:26:07]  Wow.
[00:26:07]  Okay.
[00:26:08]  So she's asking the right questions here.
[00:26:11]  Like, how does this happen?
[00:26:12]  So apparently, think about this.
[00:26:14]  So again, I don't know how familiar you are with Signal or Telegram or WhatsApp or any of these things, but basically you have contacts, right, in your phone.
[00:26:24]  And sometimes I wonder how secure those contacts are, right?
[00:26:28]  Because you may have a Google phone list or you may have something from Outlook.
[00:26:33]  and you put people's numbers in and maybe initials or names or whatever, and then they automatically download or populate into Signal or Telegram.
[00:26:43]  So I'm just saying, what if somebody put in to his phone, was able to somehow hack into his phone and access the phone directory, and they put on this guy, this guy, Jeffrey Goldberg, who they knew would do exactly what they wanted him to do.
[00:27:00]  He would sit on the story, he would go to the Democrats about the story, he would ask around to the Democrats, he would never go.
[00:27:08]  to the administration, he would be a good loyal soldier like they are at the Atlantic.
[00:27:13]  Hey, they need all that money, right, that's coming in one way or another.
[00:27:18]  So the Atlantic winds up publishing this thing.
[00:27:21]  The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war plans.
[00:27:25]  Well, Pete Hegseth is like, no, buddy, I don't think so.
[00:27:28]  These aren't really war plans.
[00:27:30]  We'll get to Pete's comments in a second.
[00:27:32]  But first, just to back up, this is Jeffrey Goldberg, that reporter that really is just as lefty, lefty, lefty as you can get.
[00:27:39]  He might as well move to the former USSR.
[00:27:42]  Here he is on CNN talking about how shocked he was about everything.
[00:27:46]  And again, I go back to this.
[00:27:48]  Is this really what happened, or did somebody that wanted him to know things and report things on the eve of the intel hearings plant this?
[00:27:57]  You were kind of walking through when this began.
[00:28:02]  You weren't even sure if it was real yourself.
[00:28:04]  You thought maybe I'm being spun or conned or something's happening there.
[00:28:09]  Until the day that I received the attack plan from Pete Hegsith.
[00:28:15]  At 11 44 a.m., that's Saturday, March 15th, and then saw the attack plan said that 13 45, 1 45 p.m. Eastern Time, that the first bombs would be dropping in Yemen.
[00:28:27]  Until that moment, until that period elapsed, the two hour period between that text and the first bombs being dropped, I thought it was a hoax.
[00:28:37]  I thought somebody was trying to entrap me.
[00:28:40]  Again, could it have been a foreign intelligence service?
[00:28:43]  Could it have been a gadfly organization that tries to entrap journalists, which we know happens?
[00:28:48]  I didn't know what it was or who it was, but what I did know was that the obvious answer was that this is a real conversation of the national security leadership of the United States.
[00:29:01]  Seemed improbable to me because why would they do it on Signal?
[00:29:06]  Why would they do this on a messaging app?
[00:29:08]  And why would they invite the editor in chief of The Atlantic to watch?
[00:29:11]  I say this only half jokingly.
[00:29:13]  I mean, I'm sitting in a Safeway parking lot watching my phone and realizing, oh my God, this might be real.
[00:29:20]  I think Pete Hegseth just sent this group.
[00:29:23]  Actual targeting information, actual sequencing of an attack, and I'm holding on to the phone.
[00:29:30]  I don't want anybody to.
[00:29:31]  And then I thought to myself, well, I mean, I guess they're lucky they didn't send this to a Houthi by mistake, or to a foreign diplomat, or to somebody who would plausibly be in one of their phones.
[00:29:43]  I guess that counts as a kind of luck.
[00:29:47]  Or maybe it was because it was supposed to happen this way.
[00:29:51]  So Caroline Levitt came out with a statement saying that there was no classified information that was sent, et cetera.
[00:29:57]  This is similar to what we heard from Pete Hegseth, who was like, no, there were no war plans.
[00:30:01]  As I also stated yesterday, nobody's texting war plans.
[00:30:06]  And that's all I have to say about it.
[00:30:07]  So, those same troops that you are proud of, do you regret putting information like the ones you did in the signal chat that could endanger those same American service members?
[00:30:19]  Nobody's texting war plans.
[00:30:21]  I know exactly what I'm doing and exactly what we're directing, and I'm really proud of what we accomplished.
[00:30:27]  The success.