Joy Behar faces scrutiny for falsely claiming Donald Trump lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs, ignoring data showing he added 500,000 before March 2020 while wages rose 3.3% under his term compared to Biden's 173,000 additions and lagging wage growth. The discussion extends to MSNBC's inflammatory comparisons of Trump to Hitler and Stalin, Tulsi Gabbard's controversial appointment amidst Russian spy allegations, and the FBI Inspector General report revealing 26 confidential sources at the January 6 riot without prosecutions. Ultimately, Heritage Foundation's Dr. Kevin Roberts argues conservatives must reform local institutions like schools to counter radical left influence in the administrative state. [Automatically generated summary]
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Illegal Acts and Lost Jobs00:14:14
The view's like really imploding, if you haven't noticed in real time.
I mean, unbelievable.
I don't know what people were thinking when they voted for him.
I mean, this one statistic really got to me.
He lost during his term 200,000 manufacturing jobs.
He lost them.
Okay.
Not entirely true.
She goes on to say how Joe Biden added them all.
We're going to poke some holes in that one.
I'm setting the record straight here.
And it's not just her, right?
Anna Navarro piling on because Donald Trump happened to get the cover of Time magazine.
And then you have MSNBC.
Joining the club as well.
Antonia, they're skating on thin ice in terms of viewership being down, in terms of people just being over these shows.
And Joy Behar is in a little bit of a time out there because management, they're like, what are we going to do with this woman?
What are we going to do with Whoopi?
What are we going to do with Joy?
It is a mess.
And by the way, they don't even have any disagreement on the darn show anymore.
That was supposed to be, right?
What it was about.
We're going to get into that.
Plus, you know, I didn't want to have to talk about Jay Z. I've like been avoiding it because it's just so gross and it's so horrendous.
And you're sitting there going, like, How does this stuff even happen in the world?
How are there even people like this?
Well, Jay Z, you know, he said, we have to admit there's really, really bad stuff.
I guess we just didn't think it was quite like this.
I dug up this little clip, shall we say, from 2018.
He's bringing out an ugly side of America that we wanted to believe was gone, and it's still here, and we still got to deal with it.
We have to have the conversation, we have to have a tough conversation.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, we're having to deal with a whole lot of other stuff that we really would rather not have to deal with, right?
Vis a vis some of the new allegations against Jay Z, and of course, the horrendous allegations about Diddy, etc., etc.
We're going to tackle that.
Plus, I'm joined today, coming up by Dr. Kevin Roberts, the president of Heritage Foundation, to talk about his new book and all the great things that can be happening right now for conservatives in Washington, D.C., and all around the country in your communities.
Welcome to the program, everyone.
Reminder to subscribe, to like, to share, all that good stuff.
We begin today on Joy Behar, Joy, and a little bit of a timeout.
People not so thrilled with her latest and greatest accusations about Trump voters.
Oh, those stupid people.
I got news for you, lady.
It's you who's not the swiftest, shall we say.
Listen to what she had to say earlier today.
I don't know what people were thinking when they voted for him.
I mean, this one statistic really got to me.
He lost, during his term, 200,000 manufacturing jobs.
He lost them.
Yeah.
Joe Biden added more than 775,000 jobs.
And people voted for Trump.
I think that they have been misinformed, misled by other networks.
You know, people get mad at us.
They say we're one sided here.
The statistics are there.
But I do think it was cost of living because I think a lot of voters think of the Trump years before COVID.
There were more jobs than that.
They think of the Trump years before COVID.
So, like, if you're judging it by the Obama.
No, they're thinking of the Trump years before the coronavirus came and the Obama unemployment spiked and the economy went to free fall.
And it was a time that people had more money, whether you attribute that to him or whatever you do.
But that's what people were voting on.
I think they were also voting on immigration.
And one of the things he says is that he's going to return all these people to the countries they came from.
He's going to make the countries take them, or he's not going to do business with those countries.
Well, the countries are Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
We've got sanctions on them already.
We're not doing business with them already.
Right.
Hard to get those dictators to go along.
All in line.
Right.
I mean, that's one of the problems.
There's no deportation agreement.
All right.
We've got to go.
We'll be right back.
All right.
She's not entirely right on that.
Like a lot of people were coming from Mexico, Guatemala, a few other places along the way.
Thank you very much, Ana Navarro.
More on her in just a moment.
But let's start first with Joy Behar, who is ill informed, shall we say.
So while she wants to understand, you know, she cannot understand how anybody could have possibly voted for Donald Trump, she thinks that they had fake information, misinformation.
So we just got to walk her through the numbers, shall we?
Because you know what?
She's talking about, oh, he created 775.
Thousand jobs, manufacturing jobs.
Well, here's the deal, honey.
Before 2020, when the entire economy got shut down, unfortunately shut down, guess what?
Donald Trump had like one of the best economic records ever on history 6.6 million jobs being created in this economy.
This is what you call an expansionary economy.
This is what you call exactly what you want low inflation, lots of growth.
You had good times, good times, and then, you know, all H2LL broke loose.
You had March 2020 come along and things shifted.
But you know what people remember?
The greatness that was prior to March 2020.
I want to compare and contrast with, say, Biden.
She's talking about jobs overall.
It looks like he added 765,000 jobs.
Not quite the 6.6 million, shall we say.
And in terms of manufacturing jobs themselves, Well, Donald Trump added around 500,000 manufacturing jobs prior to March 2020.
Joe Biden, 173.
I think we see who's winning this one.
Do we not?
I mean, not to mention wages.
And one of the panelists touched on that.
So wages went down under Joe Biden, adjusted for inflation.
Now they can sit there at the New York Times and say, oh, you know, wages went up 12%.
Well, guess what?
CPI went up 16%.
Thank you very much.
So what does that mean?
Well, if expenses are going up this much and your wages are only going up this much, Guess what?
You got less money.
Compare and contrast with wages going up while inflation stayed low for a real gain of 3.3% growth during the Trump administration.
And that's during the whole thing.
So let's just understand the facts, shall we?
Like, don't go with one random number, Joy Behar.
They're not very smart there on The View now, are they?
I understand she used to be a school teacher.
God help those poor kids.
Not very smart.
Meanwhile, they're having some kind of meltdown because you see, Donald Trump was just named person of the year by Time Magazine.
He's on the cover of Time Magazine, and they don't really like this very much.
Ana Navarro making comparisons with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, any other horrible person in history that you can come up with.
She'll take it because it could become new fodder for her on The View.
Let's take a listen.
I was like, okay, at least this is a real Time magazine cover because you remember he used to keep a fake Time magazine cover.
That's a fake one.
That he used to keep in his country clubs.
And also, just as, you know, so you know, he's, it's not always been great people that have been on the cover of Time, right?
It's been people like Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler and Khrushchev and Khomeini.
So he's in that kind of company as well.
But that being said, I did read the interview.
And something that caught my eye was he got asked about Tulsi Gabbard.
And the reporter, the journalist said, there are foreign allies who are very nervous about sharing intelligence with her.
And he said, Oh, I don't know.
I'm surprised to hear it.
I heard that for the first time the other day.
I mean, I think she's a great American.
I think she's got tremendous common sense.
This woman with tremendous common sense, Tulsi Gabbard, went to Syria, met with Assad, legitimized him as a member of Congress, then came back here.
And advocated for him, said that there was no evidence of crimes, said that he was not an enemy of the United States.
Have you all seen the scenes coming out of Syria?
The thousands, tens of thousands of Syrians that have been slaughtered, tortured, murdered.
I mean, so you're telling me this woman went over there, came back and advocated for him, and she's got common sense?
Our foreign allies are right to be nervous about sharing intelligence.
Well, even RFK's lawyer today, I was reading, his lawyer wants to get.
They're not too happy.
As far as Tulsi goes, you know, I actually think this appointment's going to get through as well.
I think Kosh Patel is going to get through.
I think even Pete Hugson, I'm going to be honest, you know what?
They jumped the shark on that one.
Their problem with Pete was at some point, like the wheels just came off the bus because they kept hurling everything at him, all with anonymous sources.
So guess what?
He's going to sail through.
At this point, he's angered, or rather, they have angered the base so much because they're just throwing everything they can.
I mean, going into his email from his mom, et cetera, at some point.
It's like, okay, enough is enough, people.
You can't get anybody on record.
Wow.
All right.
So Tulsi as well, likely probably getting through here because I keep saying, you know, I hear all these things in the background.
It's like, all right, come up with real stuff.
Now, you can use the example of Al Assad, but let me just be really, really frank.
We haven't necessarily throughout history always supported people that are so squeaky clean.
And so I think one of the goals of the Trump administration is to make sure that they have a whole lot of different viewpoints in the room because I don't know how you go from her being complete, you know, she goes over there, she has a different point of view, she consistently actually has a different point of view than the mainstream there in DC and the mainstream media, et cetera.
But to go from that to she's a spy.
That she's a Russian sympathetic spy.
I mean, that is one big giant leap because she has a difference of opinion with you.
So I don't think that that's going to fly either, but it's not going to stop them from trying.
She's just absolutely apoplectic to the idea that he could be on the cover of Time magazine, but she's like, okay, you know, it goes with the Stalin Hitler thing, et cetera.
And she's not the only one, okay?
This is like getting repetitive, shall we say, within the mainstream media, the mainstream media that's suffering quite badly.
I mean, Joy Behar, I think she knows she's on her way out.
This is one of the reasons why her home is up for sale.
Did you see that one?
Joy Behar is trying to ask for.
Look, you can ask for whatever you want.
I mean, hopefully, Letitia James doesn't get too upset about this one valuing her property there in Saghaber, some 4,000 square feet at 10.5 million bucks.
That really makes Mar a Lago look like a deal at what did Letitia say?
It shouldn't be more than 19, for goodness sakes.
But I think they see the handwriting on the wall, whether it's Joy, whether it's Anna.
They know that this is going to become increasingly difficult for them, especially in light of the fact that ABC wants to sell, well, Disney wants to sell ABC.
I don't know if ABC wants to sell itself.
I don't think MSNBC necessarily does either, but they don't have a choice.
They're going to be spun off in that spin co, so to speak.
Well, ABC News, which produces The View, they're really struggling as well.
So, what's the future for somebody like Joy or Anna?
They've got to try and find themselves in this new environment.
I think, in some ways, guys, they're actually lucky that Donald Trump won again because what else would they talk about, for goodness sakes, right?
What else have they got?
Zip zero nada.
They're just furious.
And Joy Reid is furious as well.
She can't believe that he won.
It's a really, really dark day for her.
And then you top it off with the Time magazine cover going down in history for that one.
Here he is at the stock exchange just yesterday.
It's an historic moment at the New York Stock Exchange as we get this opening bell rung by the president elect, Donald Trump.
Person of the Year.
Well, MSNBC isn't too happy about that.
Joy Reid spelled it out pretty plainly.
Better or for worse is not much of a ringing endorsement, and we all know which one Trump falls under.
And let's remember who else has been given this title in years past in the same category Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Ayatollah Khomeini, and Vladimir Putin.
In fact, Stalin won the distinction twice, just like Trump.
Regardless of the company he keeps, we know how important these magazine covers are to Trump.
Just look at this tour he gave the Washington Post in 2015 of his Trump Tower office with a wall adorned with his various cover appearances.
Hmm, okay.
So, she's like, I can't believe this is happening.
I can't believe this day has come.
The man that we warned you about over and over and over again, that we told you was a fascist, was basically the next reincarnation of Hitler.
Remember?
Of course, it's Trump is a Nazi time again.
Let's deal with Hitler, okay?
I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that.
I mean, that is Mussolini Hitler like language.
Trump's affinity for Hitler was always covered under an umbrella of his stupidity.
Echoing Hitler's words.
Listen to this.
Well, Hitler was duly elected while echoing the hateful rhetoric of Adolf Hitler.
Gee, gee, tell me how you really feel, mainstream media.
Tell me how you feel.
As Donald Trump has said to them, you know, and I'll use Kristen Welker here as the example, you could actually be pretty decent.
You've actually got some potential there if you just weren't so damn biased.
Informants, Deep State, and Tapes00:07:03
All evidence.
Let me ask you this about January 6th.
I wish you could be a, if you, you know, you have such potential.
If you could be just, just non biased, you hurt yourself so badly.
I'm telling you, they deleted and destroyed all the evidence.
Everyone knows it.
And you slough it off like it doesn't mean anything.
No, I'm just saying they deny it.
That's all I'm saying.
Kristen, if I did it, you would be standing up in that chair shouting at me.
And you know what I'd do?
I'd say, you got me.
They have done something so illegal.
They have a committee sworn to.
And because it was so bad, the only reason they did it is because the testimony turned out to be in favor of me.
So he's getting at some of the J6s there.
You know, he's going to issue pardons for all the people that are in jail because of J6.
And he says, oh, you know, why not?
Heck, look what Biden's doing with his son.
And as this is all coming about, as we see Christopher Wray resigning there from the FBI with expectations.
That Kash Patel is going to come in and a lot of stuff may just get blown wide open.
We just learned this.
And can I just remind everybody that they insisted forever that they had no FBI agents there amongst the J6 protesters, that that was just some kind of conspiracy theory and that that never happened?
Well, it turns out they did actually have informants, like 23 of them.
So why do they just keep on lying to us?
I mean, another conspiracy theory proven correct again?
Come on, it's getting redundant.
Report reveals that there were a total of 26 confidential human sources in the crowd that day.
David Spunt is live from the Justice Department.
He has got the news for us.
David.
Sandra, three of those were authorized and tasked by the FBI to be there on January 6, 2021.
We're coming up on four years since that day of the Capitol riot.
This IG report specifically focuses on the FBI's handling of confidential human sources, or as we know them, FBI informants.
For years, The outgoing FBI director Chris Wray has been pressed on reports of undercover agents.
According to this new report, there were no undercover FBI agents.
However, there were three confidential human sources tasked by the Bureau to be in the crowd on January 6th to specifically watch what the report states is concerns over domestic terrorism.
Out of those three, Sandra and John, one entered the Capitol, two others entered a restricted area.
The report says the FBI did not encourage or authorize any sources to go into the building or a restricted area.
In addition to the three confidential human sources, the FBI told there were 23 that were there on their own.
Now, they had worked with the FBI in the past on other cases, but not specifically on the January 6th rally.
Some of them entered a restricted area as well.
And what stands out in this report, John and Sandra, none of the confidential human sources that entered the U.S. Capitol or a restricted area were prosecuted by the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office.
Remember, this is an office that is still arresting nearly four years later and prosecuting people.
With this case.
Now, in a response to the inspector general, the DC U.S. Attorney's Office says the following The DC U.S. Attorney's Office generally has not charged those individuals whose only crime on January 6, 2021, was to enter the restricted grounds surrounding the Capitol, which has resulted in the office declining to charge hundreds of individuals.
And we have treated the confidential human sources as consistent with this approach.
Outgoing FBI Director Christopher Wray, who announced that he would be stepping down in the next few weeks yesterday, has been pressed on the FBI's role on January 6.
Here's just one clip from last year.
If you are asking whether the violence at the Capitol on January 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources andor agents, the answer is emphatically no.
You're saying no?
No.
You're saying not violence orchestrated by FBI sources or agents.
Confidential human sources tasked by the FBI are not undercover agents.
These are people that belong to groups like, for instance, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and then became paid FBI enforcement.
Performance at certain points in time while still being members of their groups.
And of course, John and Sandra, others are not putter of any group and just decided to show up to the Capitol for whatever reason and still work with the FBI on the side and provide information.
And we're, of course, waiting for more information from Capitol Hill to see if the White House has anything, the Department of Justice, the FBI has this report just breaking now with the Inspector General.
Okay, so there's a little bit of stuff going on here that you've got to think about and you've got to unpack.
First of all, I think just the blatant lie.
So there were 26.
People, I guess 23 on the inside, 23 outside, that they had there that were at least on the payroll in some way, shape, or form.
Maybe they weren't official FBI employees, but they were informants.
And this is after the FBI told us, no, Now, the bite that you saw, the sound bite from Christopher Wray, was about whether or not the FBI had anybody like instigating problems there.
And they're making the point, no, we didn't, you know, our people were like along for the ride.
They weren't trying to instigate any kind of problems because that's been one of the theories that's been floated.
People have said, wait a second, was this some kind of deep state move?
To try and really tar and feather Donald Trump.
And, you know, somehow miraculously, Nancy Pelosi has her daughter there shooting the whole documentary.
She's a documentary filmmaker, which then gets played in a loop over and over and over again on television after it's sold to HBO and CNN.
So that's one theory.
But then the other theory is why the heck, you know, maybe we got a few things going on here, right?
The other, the question I would just say is why is it that Nancy Pelosi didn't actually call in reinforcements when she had an opportunity to do so.
That's one of the questions that's lingering out there.
So then when the FBI doesn't tell you the truth and say, yeah, we actually had informants there among the public, when they don't tell you the truth, you see people back up and they say, wait a second, was this your plan all along?
So you can understand that transparency is everything.
And when Tucker Carlson actually said, hey, I'm going to run the videotape of everything that went down on that day, because they're running their videotape that was shot by the documentary filmmaker, Juan Alexander Pelosi.
In a loop, I'm going to show you something else.
The next thing you know, his tapes were pulled.
He didn't run them.
He started like on Thursday or Friday.
He didn't get to run them the following week.
Chuck Schumer is out calling for him to be fired.
And sure enough, he was fired shortly thereafter.
Policy Focus and Federal Abuse00:08:34
So once again, you can understand how the American public is sitting there saying, hey, you know, this just doesn't add up.
And interestingly, this all comes on the day that Christopher Wray is stepping down.
So I think that there are a ton of questions there.
There are things that need to be answered.
Americans want to know just exactly what went down.
Of course, Donald Trump is very focused on full steam ahead, making sure that he writes the course for the nation.
Well, we're going to be having a lot of talks with China.
We have a good relationship with China.
I have a surprising relationship.
Now, when the COVID came in, I sort of cut it off.
That was a step too far.
That was, as they say, a bridge too far.
But we've been talking and discussing with President Xi some things and others, other world leaders.
I think we're going to do very well all around.
And we are, we've been abused as a country.
We've been badly abused from an economic standpoint, I think.
And even militarily, you know, we put up all the money, they put up nothing, and then they abuse us on the economy.
And we just can't let that happen.
We're not going to be abused anymore.
We put America first, but we're also going to help other countries.
So this is his priority putting America first, getting the economy back on its footing.
A lot of people are like, wait a second, are you going to?
Do you have vengeance?
Are you vindictive?
Are you going to go after everybody that went after you?
I mean, I keep making the point that in some ways you kind of got to because people did some really bad stuff and you've got to actually start clean and make sure that this kind of stuff isn't happening forever because it can easily switch sides.
He could do the same to them that they did to him, except he wouldn't, one.
And two, I just keep saying you've got to actually make sure that the system is in place so that you are encouraging people to be their best.
And to be in politics.
I mean, who the heck would want to do this?
Letitia James still has a note out for him, right?
She wants $500 million nearly in payment because somehow she knows better than Deutsche Bank what Mar-a-Lago should be valued at or Trump Tower should be valued at.
Rocket scientist that she is.
Anyway, Donald Trump has a lot that he wants to get to, a lot that he wants to help America move forward with.
This came up in a recent interview with NBC.
They tried to say, hey, you know, are you going to do this, that, and the other?
And he's like, no, this is what I want to do.
Watch.
Are you going to do that?
Are you going to go after Joe Biden?
I'm really looking to make our country successful.
I'm not looking to go back into the past.
I'm looking to make our country successful.
Retribution will be through success.
If we can make this country successful, that would be my greatest achievement.
Bring it back.
You know, there's so much at stake right now.
We talk about all the policies from the border to energy to bringing inflation down.
Donald Trump really committed to all of this.
How does one see this through?
I want to give a Plug for Dr. Kevin Roberts' book, Heritage Foundation, Don's Early Light.
He's all about taking advantage of this opportunity right now to really bring Washington back to a place where we can be saving our country.
He joins us right now.
And Dr. Roberts, I've been telling everybody about your book, so I'm glad that you're here.
For the last few weeks, I've just been saying, listen, you know, if you're looking for a good Christmas present, this is the one because it really gets you thinking.
Welcome to the program.
Well, it's always great to be with you.
I can't thank you enough for plugging the book.
For having me here.
And ultimately, what the book is about is how we return to a normal country.
There's a lot of things that you have proposed.
I mean, let's start with the economy, just because that's sort of my wheelhouse, first and foremost, and what's so important to me.
This election, really, it's a mandate from the American people saying we're tired of inflation, we're tired of regulation, we're tired of taxes, we're tired of big government acting like a blanket on everything that we want to do and that we can do.
How do we start stripping that stuff away?
I mean, is Doge the answer?
How do we actually incentivize government to do the right stuff?
Doge is part of the answer.
In fact, as you know from looking at the book, Trish, there are three channels or three opportunities we have to fix things.
One of them is federal policy.
Doge is the key sort of tip of the spear there.
But the second is making sure we're paying more attention to state and local policy, something that conservatives in D.C. too infrequently pay attention to.
But then the third thing is, We have to take greater responsibility in our individual lives, focusing on institutions like K 12 schools and universities and local associations.
My point is not to be dismissive toward the importance of Doge, but to say we're making a mistake if we think that just if we get Washington out of our lives with good policy and cutting the budget and doing really good things like dismantling the U.S. Department of Education, which I call for, that's not going to be enough to harness the full potential of this realignment that Donald Trump personifies.
In other words, If, in fact, as I say in the subtitle, we're going to take back Washington to save America, one of the ways we make Washington less important, in addition to making it more efficient, is to spend a lot more time, frankly, being virtuous citizens, being great neighbors and friends, and also paying attention to state and local policy.
You know, state and local policy sort of being the foundation and the bedrock, if you would, of what this country in part was founded on, right?
This autonomy and autonomy from Great Britain.
You want to see states having the ability to really have that kind of self control.
That self governance.
One of the things that I think has gotten lost over the last however many years, and maybe it's in part because of academia, maybe it's in part because the government has gotten so swollen, was to get back to what you're saying on virtue and the importance of small community, family, church, the basic educational opportunities that we're offering at that early level for kids.
What's happened?
Like, why has that gotten so, I'm going to use an extreme term, but so poisoned, if you would, Dr. Roberts?
Over the last three generations, what the radical left has done, Trish, is march through our institutions.
They've marched through the administrative state, turning it into something that's not just bloated, but now, of course, is dominated by the deep state.
That's an institution that we have to reclaim through the work of Elon and Vivek and President Trump.
But even, I would argue, more importantly than that, even though it's more subtle, Is that the left has marched through institutions like our public schools, our universities, our professional associations, also, and Arena, you know very well, our media outlets.
And so part of the way that we can reclaim this country through our own virtuous decisions is to make sure that we're paying attention to those kinds of institutions that don't necessarily meet the eye when we're thinking about politics and we're caught up in the legitimate euphoria about Trump's victory and the policy that's going to come.
In other words, One of the reasons this has happened is because conservatives have been focused on their businesses, their families, their churches, the people who are right in front of them.
They've also been focused on what's going on in Washington, D.C. By the way, I'm as guilty of this as anybody, so I'm not throwing a stone at anything, but from a glass house where we have paid a lot less attention.
And the reason why the left is taking advantage of this is on local and state politics.
And so I think that the next generation or two of conservative reform needs to be just as focused on reforming schools, reforming universities.
Reforming state policy as it is in Washington, D.C.
Yeah, I think about it at the state level, and my mom was on the school board growing up, and I remember that so vividly those late school board night meetings.
But it's that commitment, I think, to community that you really need, and you need that from the ground up as opposed to top down, which, you know, before you knew it, as we have seen over the last couple of years, suddenly parents were being labeled domestic terrorists because they were questioning some of the reading material that was on display, some of which was.
Highly, highly inappropriate for young kids.
You write in chapter one, and I'm going to quote here Dr. Roberts to say that America's problems are spiritual requires no religious faith.