Chris Robinson and Theo Von dissect the creation of A Pound of Feathers, contrasting spontaneous songwriting with modern concert distractions like phone usage. They debate soda preferences, recall traumatic childhood memories involving a "kitty lady" and a pedophile promoter at a Marilyn Manson show, and reflect on the evolution of adult content from VHS to OnlyFans. Ultimately, their candid dialogue highlights how digital accessibility and ego threaten authentic communal experiences, urging listeners to reject defeatism in favor of raw creativity despite life's dark times. [Automatically generated summary]
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Florida, baby, I'll be in Jacksonville this week.
We've got shows Friday and Saturday.
That's March 13th and 14th.
One on Friday and two on Saturday evening.
A few tickets are still available at theova.com slash T-O-U-R practicing, preparing for my Netflix special.
So grateful to be down there in the great state of Florida.
Today's guest is a musician.
He's a founder of the legendary rock band, The Black Crows.
He has a new album called A Pound of Feathers that comes out March 13th.
I cannot even believe today's guest is Mr. Chris Robinson.
And I like, I don't mind being decrepit a little bit.
You know what I mean?
Like I've never.
It's kind of artsy.
It's a little bit Tim Burton-esque.
Well, I'm kind of proud that I've, that I'm, that I've survived 59 winters.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Oh, I can imagine with your, with your life, I bet.
Did you feel like when you were young, like, I'm never going to live long?
And then as you gotten, as you've grown, you're like, fuck, I guess I'm.
I don't, you know what?
It's so funny because I'm not afraid of the theme at all.
And of course, but I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've never really thought about it.
I adhere to, do you know the French artist Jean Cocteau?
Do you know he was?
Uh-oh.
He's very, have you ever seen the original movie Beauty and the Beasts?
Yeah.
The black and white one with the hands.
He directed that film.
He was a French artist, intellectual.
Jean-Cocteau.
Yeah, a very important figure in the 20th century and art.
And I subscribed to something that he said.
And he said, living is a horizontal fall.
When I read that about 35, 36 years ago, I was like, that's it.
I mean, what else do you need to know?
I mean, it was like perfect philosophic.
Yeah, that's a line.
Sometimes I get so jealous when you hear somebody that said something or that wrote something, you know, not jealous, but also, I guess I used to get more jealous.
Now I think I just get grateful that I got to hear it or read it.
Of course, of course.
That's what it's all about.
I mean, there's a million things to inspire, you know.
And I think I think it's really sad if you get to a point.
And it could be anything.
Just whatever.
I have a lot of varied interests.
You know what I mean?
So I'm constantly like interested in stuff.
And the world is just information.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm dyslexic as well, I just process it in a different way.
But it's it's that's why I've been in a rock band my whole life.
That's what it'll lead you there, you're saying, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, if your brain is freaking doing donuts or whatever, every every artist I know, yeah, it's like that's why we found our way to this and the success part or whatever that kind of aspect of it is just whatever.
You know what I mean?
That's what either happens or doesn't happen.
Yeah, I read somewhere that you like you have like a, I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about the first line of a song or a um like whenever you mentioned that thing about Mr. Cocteau, it made me think about that.
Like how the first line is so important.
Yeah, it's well, for it's funny that you I did say that I've said that because you know lyrics are the writing songs was the first thing I thought I could do.
Do you know what I mean?
So I was like, I was, that's what I was into.
Yeah.
That was my interest, poetry and writing.
You know, that was something that I felt I had, maybe I could get into this.
Was it a music first?
Like you were just thinking of poetry and there's poetry first.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Because the music part came a little later when I was kind of like, fuck, you know, like we're going to see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early 80s at like punk rock matinee shows and stuff.
Because that's the shit we could go see.
Because I wasn't really interested in like MTV and kind of the same stuff.
We were just different.
My brother too.
That kind of led to the whole world of, oh, there's like all this other shit going on, but it's not on TV or it's not on the radio.
You have to really dig and find it.
And then you see some other kid in like a fucking Circle Jerks t-shirt or something.
You're like, let's go talk to that guy.
What's going on there?
Yeah.
Which the world is still the same way.
I think you meet the people you're supposed to meet.
It has nothing to do with technology if you're out in the world traveling around.
Yeah, that's a good point, actually.
I think you come to me.
You meet fucking people because you guys are people are on a certain wavelength.
Yeah, there's a real human wavelength that's still happening in the universe, even though so many of us are sidelined on our devices, though.
It's almost like you're on the sidelines.
It's almost as if it's by design, too.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I don't really wander into those realms so much.
I'm too busy with Mr. Cocktail.
Just kidding.
Did you have like, yeah, are there like once I read that you, once I read that you said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I was trying to think of oh, the first line thing, but that dictates the, yeah, where like, okay, if I, if that first thing to me is something like I could, in a stupid visualization, open up a page and see it.
And then if that would be something that if I could capture something in imagination or feeling or where those two things come together in the first few words of the song, that's, you know, and I find my, I like that with songs too.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I'm not going to wait till the third verse for some good word.
Yeah, to tickle you a little.
Yeah.
Go give it to me.
Yeah.
You want to tickle in my front.
Like what's a Johnny, that Johnny?
I hurt myself today.
Yeah, yeah.
That one.
The Trent Rezno song.
Yes.
Oh, my friend was just at, they just went to see Ninish Nails last night, actually.
He was sending me videos.
They were here last night?
No, they were in New Orleans.
Oh, New Orleans.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Wow.
I saw that.
My wife and I went to see them in Brooklyn over the summer.
It was like a crazy week of like fucking gigs because we got there and corn and system of a down were playing.
So we went to that and I've never seen shit like that.
And that was fucking amazing.
Brian Williams, was he playing?
Yeah, yeah.
But that was the gig where a guy was like jerking off in the stands.
Oh, in Brooklyn?
No, this is at the stadium.
What's it called?
MetLife Stadium.
Oh, and it was all over the internet.
There's a guy jerking off.
And again, there he is.
That's a trap beat.
Bro, that's a 808, huh?
He's really upset at that point.
But a guy runs over and like smacks him.
I was at that gig, but I was on the floor.
So I had nothing to do.
We were down there in the recipient.
Maybe he was looking at me right there.
You never know.
Oh, that dude's just serving a little bit of body butter.
That dude's just making his own vending machine.
I mean, look, this guy's had enough of you.
Bro, to run up and hit a guy who's jerking off is insane, though.
Unless maybe he's a, that's what he wanted.
He couldn't really get it together unless he got punched in the back of the skull.
That's a good point.
Maybe that was his.
He's playing all along.
Wow, this guy's really onto something.
Wow.
I'm so glad I can get off easier than that.
I was at that show.
I was at Nine Inch Nails and then we went to Oasis.
Oh, amazing, huh?
Yeah, it was a great week.
But I tell you, Nine Inch Nails was unbelievably good show.
I mean, it was so theatrical, so visual.
It was, it was, there was also like a real human part to it.
I mean, I was just so impressed.
Yeah, I heard the effects on this tour supposed to be pretty amazing.
Did it just kick off?
No, this is the second half of it, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they did half of it last year.
Yeah, I haven't got to talk to my friend.
He's seen like four videos last night, though.
So it's pretty cool.
Just to have like moments from our childhood, you know, that you just like, and for like 30 seconds each time, I was like back in these moments where you're like feeling something, you know?
Yeah.
Well, I've, that's, I see some concerts now are less phone driven than they used to be.
Like people want to be there more.
I think so.
I think you're right.
And I think it's funny when you see like when it's juxtaposed with like the, if you see some footage from like concerts before phones and everyone is focused on the same fucking thing.
And it's really, you know, about some other sort of interaction.
Yeah.
And you'd have a, you'd almost have a like a, it was like you were riding a wave during a concert.
Like you find somebody that had a beard.
Emotional.
Yeah.
And then you connect with a girl, but she disappears.
And then you're like, oh, wait, I'm here with my wife.
And then that's there.
Concerts were every, I mean, they were, it was a different thing before.
I mean, they can still have magical moments.
You know, people can still be involved.
Yeah.
But your friend would go off to get like, and then somebody would go off to get beverages and you would never see like that.
They were gone.
Never saw them since.
Oh, dude.
Dude, there was just something about experiences like that.
There was something about like, like, I always feel like the best music was during my childhood, but I don't know if that stunts my appreciation for music as an adult.
You know what it is?
I don't think it's about it being the best music.
I think my wife and I were talking about this because she's like an anthropologist.
When she sees like some teenagers like sitting on the sidewalk smoking cigarettes, she's like, we need to study them.
Look at them.
This has been going on forever.
But I say like, let's, you know, I'll do the drawings.
But I think what it is, and we talk about it is when you're a teenager or you're an adolescent, you're so alive in a different way for the first time from the childhood alive to like this, oh, this now my way the world feels to me is going to be something different.
And when that music comes, it's like fucking imprinted on like this fresh, you know what I mean?
There's no, no one is swollen at that age.
Before that, you're kind of pulp.
And this is like the, this is like the first time you're doing it.
But I get it, but it makes sense.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm that, I feel that.
I mean, I'm lucky that I'm not nostalgic.
I don't really care about nostalgia.
Oh, you don't get into that.
It doesn't make me.
Things are the way they are when they're happening.
And yes, there could be an aspect of something like, oh, I remember when I first heard that record, but I don't listen to like a record.
Like, I don't know.
It could be anything.
Even if it was from the 80s, I don't know, something like Let's Active.
There's a band from North Carolina, Mitch Easter.
Let's active?
Yeah, loved Let's Active.
Bring them up.
I want to see him.
But if I hear that, I'm like, I'm not back in my mom and dad's house.
I'm like, oh, listen how cool that guitar sounds.
You know, music has always made it alive.
The room, wherever I am.
Does it, yeah, it's funny because a lot of music, I think I immediately go back to places.
I'm like a nostalgic junkie.
I'm like this.
I'm like a romanticist, like, let's go back in time kind of guy.
And I think I miss out on probably a lot of like life and present moments sometimes like that.
But I don't know if I'm that upset about it.
Maybe that's just who I am on this trip.
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Yeah, no, I mean, I don't think that's necessarily, yeah.
I mean, I, I mean, that's also just dreaming.
And that's what I mean.
Yeah, maybe it is.
And I love, I just love, like, I think I just loved some of those you guys.
I mean, are you kidding?
If I could like, if I could dress like a, you know, 17th century French aristocrat, I would.
You know, I'd walk around with the wig and the like pants and I would like, you know.
Oh, yeah, if it's great about it.
I mean, I would feel great about it.
That's a little, yeah.
But if they had chainmail, like if you showed up to like, say there was going to be people like, there might be beef at this thing.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there was kind of always beef.
Yeah.
So somebody that showed up in chainmail was just like a dude like who showed up with the richest, most powerful people are the most unhinged, obviously.
They're like, run him through.
Run him through.
I think we're there now, dude.
I don't think it's ever been any different.
Yeah.
I mean, I also think the resistance is always there.
Yeah.
I also, you know what I mean?
I also think the moral compass will always show the way to what is right and what is wrong.
And that doesn't have anything to do.
That's just a fundamental, we know what's right and wrong.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And you believe that, yeah.
I do because I've seen it happen.
I mean, by the way, sometimes it doesn't come without a full-on struggle.
Yeah.
Because I've been worrying about that a lot recently.
I'm like, you have to like, like, we got to believe that morality wins, you know, somehow.
Yeah.
No, but, but again, these things are in a constant sort of struggle that keep going and going.
I mean, forever.
I mean, I know we like to think that it's all our life.
That life was, you know, there was Victorian people and then Crocs and airports.
You know what I mean?
But there's some other shit that happened in between your comfort and, you know, robber barons or whatever.
But there is a, there is a constant line in it.
You know what I mean?
And so I don't know.
What did they say?
What's that Clint Eastwood movie where the grit?
No, it's one of the, but it's like a mid-70s one.
But the guy who's like, his place like the Native American guy, he, when they're talking about the troubles, he goes, we must endeavor to persevere.
And ever since I was a kid, I was like, yeah.
Oh, it's the Outlaw Jesse Whales.
That's the one.
Oh, I've heard of that.
I've never seen it.
Oh, it's great.
Is it?
It's great.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to check that out, man.
The Outlaw Jesse, Josie Wales.
Josie Whales.
Yeah, and they just remade it, I think, actually.
No, don't do it.
I know.
Rarely have they done it well.
It's weird.
Why?
Leave it alone.
Just come up with something else.
Think it's just to get people that saw it once with nostalgia to go get them to, hey, come pay for it one more time.
And just you know, you know, it's not gonna be that good, but there's a part of you that's gonna connect to it.
I don't really love musicals, but I love West Side Story.
Yep, I like movies.
I always did, you know, yeah, and as a lyricist, one of the greatest lyrics of all time is in the Officer Krumpke song when the kid goes, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived.
And I was, I was like, that's like fucking Bob Dylan.
I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived.
I mean, it is one of the great lyrics of all time, but didn't Steven Spielberg remakes what's that story?
I don't get it.
I mean, he didn't call me.
He didn't ask your opinion.
But I mean, I'm sure, you know, that's Steve.
He's going to do what he wants to do.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, I wonder if I had made something wonderful.
Would I try and remake it later on?
Like, I wonder what my desire would be in that.
I mean, that I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't understand that.
Is there times like that in your career where you've written like music that you really thought was great or that had commercial successes or something?
And then later, have you ever been like, I need to try and get myself back into that space to write music like that again instead of trying to be like, I'm writing music from where I'm at?
No.
Does it make sense?
Yeah, I hear you, but I'm not.
I've always found it to be, I don't know, I've always found it to be the most sort of fulfilling just to be in the moment, you know, which is difficult too, because, you know, it's hard.
You know, it's hard to, it's hard to remain in the dream place sometimes.
It's not hard for me.
It's hard for everyone else because you have to deal.
You know, I'm a husband.
I have kids.
You know, I pets.
I have pets.
So demanding so much pressure from the pets.
But the reality is, I can't fully remove myself from the dream place or the muse or whatever you want to call it because I do understand that it's a very jealous entity and it will leave you.
If you're not, it has to have its proper place.
What does you're saying?
The muse.
You know what I mean?
That creative spark.
It's like Quest for Fire.
Do you know that movie?
Ever seen Quest for Fire?
Dude, we have to have a movie night.
I mean, you're missing a lot of quest for fire.
I've seen the best, best.
I look like I'm related to one of those people.
We all are.
We all are.
There we go.
I've seen, I think the first movie I ever saw was either like Jason Voorhees, like the killer guy at the lake.
And then there was the movie.
It was the older guy, he has the Coke bottle and he throws it in Africa or whatever.
The Gods Must Be Crazy?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a pretty and Chi Chin Zhong.
That was an early one too.
That was like still kind of popping.
Oh, look at this guy.
My first movie, I remember watching my parents let me stay up and watch Lord of the Flies.
Yeah.
Nothing could be wrong with that.
That kind of fits, you know.
So I was like, cool.
He'll like this.
And I did.
I fucking did.
That's crazy, bro.
Yeah, that's great, dude.
Just like early influence and stuff.
I love that kind of stuff.
But the first movie I remember, I always saw Patton with George C. Scott in the drive-in movie theater in my parents' car.
No, with them.
Do you know that film?
You know, because it has that music.
I've seen this.
I've never seen the film.
It's good too.
Oh, my God.
It's epic.
Like psycho General Patton.
Dude, yeah, I saw psycho George C. Scott doing it.
He's really.
I got to tap in then.
Yeah, I'm just kind of out of touch with some films.
I did just, I started reading All's Quiet on the Western Front last night, though.
Amazing.
And the original, both of the films, the original one is unbelievably good.
If you've ever, you should watch it.
That's the one that they remade that was like on Netflix or something that was great.
But that's the original.
The remake is good.
The remake was fantastic.
That's what I'm doing.
Fantastic.
Watch the original one first, though.
Okay.
Don't sell yourself short.
Okay.
Go to the source.
Yeah.
But now here's incredible.
It's incredible.
Here's a situation where they made another one and it was good.
But I guess it's not like a part two, though.
No.
And you're right.
That is it.
That is it.
They did a good job.
I loved it.
I loved the modern one.
But the original one is to me holds like the real magic of the thing.
Okay.
I did see the jury.
What's that movie, The Jury?
It's like 12 man.
It's like 12 Angry Men.
Yes, dude.
Louis C.K. told me to watch that, and he was right, dude.
It's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
I appreciate the recommendations.
I don't get a ton.
I'm lucky because I'm old enough that when, and you know, I grew up in Atlanta, we had three channels, and then we had Channel 36 or whatever, and TBS, and they played fucking movies.
Yeah.
Because later it splinters off to Turner Classic Movies or whatever.
But when there wasn't that much, there's not that much content, you know?
So there wasn't much at all.
Beastmaster when that came on on TBS, dude?
Yeah.
Beastmaster?
They got those ferrets.
10 years.
That's right.
The ferrets.
Remember this?
Dude, that was crazy.
Some white guy from WWF tickling a couple of pets, dude.
I was like, what is going on here?
Yeah, really.
All those fantasy movies are really strange.
Dude, I loved times like that.
We would ride our bikes to go get the videos at the video store, and they had like those Wild West doors on the titty area.
You know, though.
Watch it.
I'm a product of like the early 80s, you know, VHS boom.
And my parents had moved, they had made the regretful decision to move to the suburbs.
That's the worst blow in life.
You know what I mean?
In Atlanta, if you moved from the city to the subs?
Well, we had moved to Charlotte.
And then when we moved back, yeah, we were in town and then we moved to the sub.
But my parents also, this is at the ripe time of them really being too disinterested in my life to like edit what I was doing.
So it was the great time at these stores of like the midnight movies and European movies.
You know what I mean?
And I had the fucking pick of whatever weird shit we wanted to watch.
Like I remember my dad seeing us watching Eraser Head back then.
And he's just like, why are you doing this to yourself?
What is wrong with you?
And I'm like, dad, it's we would watch.
We would watch David Lynch's The Elephant Man.
Like, oh, yes, all the time.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's not a, it's, it's not a lark.
Yeah, dude.
This isn't a one-time.
Like this, we would like, play it again.
You know what I mean?
Like, what the fuck?
Were you like an angry child?
Like, where do you, because like, music usually comes from like some feeling of youth, I feel like a lot of that blast off energy does like real music, like real, like, you know, like whether you're going to become a musician or like a anarchist or a peeping Tom.
That shit comes out of your childhood, you know?
Yeah.
Do you feel like that?
Crime and art.
Yes.
Yes.
Fuck yeah.
Vandalism and art.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was the bad kid part of it.
And I think that's always been associated with rock and roll, at least in our case, because we just gravitate.
That that was our like, we were into music.
So now we're in a band and let's go, how do we get in the grown-up club to play?
You know, we were kids.
You know how do we get in there?
It's like well, get write some songs.
You know, get better and get up there, do something.
And but it was yeah, always the bad.
Was your brother the same?
I know because you, he's not a bad kid, I mean, he kind of is bad, and he was down for vandalism and shit, too, but he's not as bad down for vandalism.
That has to be going his headstone if he ever passes.
Down for vandalism and shit.
Occasionally.
Sorry to admit it.
You know, it gets like more of, you're going to need another stone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, dude, that'd be great.
Two stones.
Because you're just because, yeah, there's a little more to tell about him.
People don't get buried anymore, though.
Yeah.
Did you see that stat that like they're like, where are all the bodies going?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they're throwing them in Lake Lanier or something.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Where all the ashes go?
I want you to take me up to the top of Stone Mountain.
I don't want you to throw my ashes all over those Confederate fuckers up there.
All right.
Dude, one of my friends works at TSA.
He said that I was like, what's some of the things that have been left in the thing?
He said four times they've had people that left somebody's ashes and never came back to get them.
Where's Uncle Larry?
Oh, he's at a layover.
Yeah, totally.
I ask you to go pick up your uncle race, your racist Uncle Seth's ashes.
What are you doing?
I fucking left him on the plane.
Fuck, they're in Salt Lake City.
Yeah.
God.
But that's wild, bro, that it ends up like that.
Like I came online probably like as a human and maybe just like my brother listening to stuff like Dio, GNR, Black Crows, one of the early albums that he had, you know, watching him like move his body.
Our family could never dance well.
And he would kind of like, and we shared a room, you know?
And sometimes he would set his weights down and fucking put it on and make me watch him kind of, which was the first time he and I ever like kind of existed.
Listen, man, I'm going to put my weights down and I'm going to boogie a little bit.
You cool with that?
That's never happened to me.
It was kind of crazy.
But it was like, you know what?
This is more of myself.
I'm going to take down this badminton set.
We're going to have some canopies.
And then you're going to all watch me dance.
So yeah, a little different.
Yeah.
I didn't lift weights.
Yeah, he just like, yeah, but that was like when I first kind of came on with music and like watching it through my brother.
And it's funny.
That was the way a lot of people got, you know, I wouldn't have known about like my dad.
We, my dad had like Johnny Guitar Watson records and Jimmy Reed records and Bob Dylan records.
I mean, a lot of Moz Allison, all sorts of eclectic stuff, but more kind of stuff.
But my neighbor up the street, his older brother, he had like all the Aerosmith records and shit.
So we would like, and his mom was a dance teacher.
So she had a stereo with this big loud speaker on it.
And we would get down there and fucking, that's when I was like, oh, I like Aerosmith, you know?
Dude, yeah.
Casey DC.
Because that's the time you're around the neighborhood pool, you know.
So everyone had the pool and be like, back in black when that shit came out, it was on the radio every five minutes.
You know what I mean?
And you were like, damn.
Dude, you remember when the radio was like this omen?
And if it served you your song, it was just, it felt like a volcano had gone off just for you.
It was exciting.
And we all had it in common.
That was one thing, too.
That was one thing that I liked about.
And you think all the records were good, but it was really just a promo guy getting like hookers and like stakes and lobsters to the Raid program director to be like, fucking play this record.
You'll get a BJ out of this.
You know what I mean?
Like, all right.
I fucking love this record.
Oh, dude.
These guys are like Mac McTurner Overdrive, but even better.
And they'd have such a mix of.
If you like BTO, you're going to fucking love these guys.
Whoa.
Yeah, dude.
So many of those radio stations.
I worked as a tour manager one time for a guy for a musician, and we would go to this guy, Josh Kelly, actually.
He's out of Georgia as well.
He's from Augusta, Georgia.
His brother Charles Kelly played with Lady Annabellum.
But we would, I was his tour manager, so we would just go all around to these radio stations and I'd have to get them like doughnuts and stuff in the morning and coffee.
But you're right.
They'd be like, at 11 o'clock today, we're having lobsters.
Like it's like listening, listening for lobster.
And you'd have like just some Muppets show up.
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I didn't know I was buying them till later in life when they show what you paid for because you're the only fucking band selling like six million records.
You're like, who's got a new set of snow tires at WW whatever in Bangor, Maine?
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A lot of good, a good song is a good song.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I think I'm just like going down some of that memory road of those times, you know?
Was your brother, were you like, because it's, God, I feel like it'd be hard to do something with your brother, dude.
But also kind of special you can if you really I mean, it took us, it took us a long time to get to the, how special it is for us.
Who's a who's a better brother, do you think?
Well, obviously me.
It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong.
It's me.
Of course.
I mean, what a ridiculous question.
I mean, I'm already here.
And that's your Christmas card.
I'm older.
I'm older.
I'm Sagittarian.
I'm the lead singer.
It's me.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think.
Like the things you really admire about him.
Like my brother, I think, is way better than me.
I don't really size it up like that, but the things I admire about him are the same things that like ultimately I like, you know, he's a, he's a, has an amazing heart inside of him.
And he's a really genuinely sweet person.
He's very not, you know what I mean?
The other things I love about him, he's, and again, you know what I mean?
When things are going, when you're kids and all of a sudden you're in a local band and then six months later, you're selling millions of records and everything's different.
Everything has changed.
The pressure's on now, you know, blah, blah, blah.
I always knew my brother was talented.
I chose to, you know, we've, we were writing these songs together.
We've always been the Rich and I's composition are the, is the engine for whatever the black crows are.
It's been that way since we before it was anything.
But now I can, especially because, you know, we made this last record and Rich plays all the bass and all the guitars.
And I'm like, dude, I've fucking sat in the studio with him since first time in the studio is 1987 or something.
I've seen him do amazing things, you know, like beautiful music, inspired, dynamic things.
And, but now I see like, oh, wow, I really see it more than ever because I've my perspective of what he is isn't tainted by any of my bullshit, whether that's my anger, resentment, ego, shit, whatever.
Oh, yeah.
Ego is so dangerous.
And I could see it really now so much clearer that it's like, and by the way, when I say that, we live in a world, throw a, you're in Nashville, throw a rock, hit a great guitar player.
You know what I mean?
There's so many talented people, so many talented musicians.
And that's just the way it is, you know?
But I really see my brother.
I see his uniqueness and I see how special he really is in his in that world of guitarists.
And I've got to play with some of the best music, you know what I mean?
Yeah, no, that's cool.
That's cool to hear.
That's so lucky.
That's a nice, that's a nice thought.
That's a nice compliment, too, I think.
If you ask Rich about me, he'd say, yeah, he's all right.
One of these is pretty good.
Did how tough was it during some times?
Like, was there ever a part where you guys were like, not only are we not going to keep playing?
I mean, I know you guys have storied throughout the years.
It's been like, you know, I'm sure like with any brothers or with any bands where it's like things go apart, things come back together.
But was there ever a part where you're like, shit, we might not even be brothers after this, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, like 2013 was like the last Black Crows thing before we and yeah.
I mean, we went a long time without seven years without speaking.
No way.
And would you have certain feelings sometimes like you wanted to talk to him or sometimes did that stuff get clouded by like resentment and stuff?
Because I've had moments like that with you.
Personally, it was also kind of important to take the fucking kettle off the flame a little bit because sometimes those things and your work and your relationship, you know, and these, all of it was just to me, like a kettle on the stove.
No one's going to flip the thing.
So it stops like.
But I think he needed that too.
So it wasn't.
I mean, I was, I was, yeah, whatever.
I was ugly and mean.
I lashed out when I shouldn't have.
I should have reached out.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, dude.
I've held resentments that were only like, and I was the only one thinking about them.
Some weren't even real.
That's the crazy thing.
Of course, of course.
That's, yeah, that's the crazy thing.
You think people give a fuck and they don't, you know what I mean, about whatever you're doing sometimes.
I mean, I've been lucky too to just have whatever, you know.
To keep it moving?
Yeah.
It sounds like that.
And I don't, I really don't like to, it's exhaust, you know, I've tried to, for better or for worse, not to be a liar in my life, because the idea of telling someone a lie and then having to remember what the fuck you said, that wasn't the real thing, that happened, or however it happened to you, or you know, everyone's truth is their own thing or whatever.
But yeah, but you know what I mean.
They would be the same thing, anything kind of fake or whatever.
I'd rather i'm cool, you know I not everybody has to think i'm great, you know like, but meaning also, I don't have to act a certain way to pretend that that's something that is well, it's just not normal, it's just not.
You know what I mean.
Oh yeah well, a lot.
I was just thinking of this as you were saying it dude, I was like you cut your head kind of turns into like to like a library.
I know that's kind of like a dumb play on words, but it's like now I have to go back and figure out what the fuck I mean.
That would be exhausted.
Oh dude, that was a lot like.
You know like, I think I was probably lying to survive.
I don't even know what I was doing like for, I think, for certain years, my childhood I was like I don't even know what's going on, but like i'm still alive, i'm gonna keep going.
And then one day you start to kind of get a little bit better perspective of yourself um, and things start to adjust a little bit.
Um, was it, was y'all's band always going to be uh, the Black Crows?
Was there ever anything else it was going to be?
I know it had different names before that.
Well, we were missed a band called MR Crow's Garden in Atlanta.
Yeah, was it ever gonna be a different animal, though?
It was always Crows.
Yeah, I mean, maybe we I don't really.
Yeah, we didn't want to we liked being people just referred to your band and like those guys are in the Crows or whatever, right.
So So we, I mean, I don't know, we liked that.
That's why we kept the E in the name because Mr. Crow was the guy's name in this book, Mr. Coast Garden that this girl had in her dorm at the University of Georgia, and she showed it to me.
And that's just the way it was.
Like, oh, yeah, cool.
It's like psychedelic and like kind of 60s.
And we liked that aesthetic.
And, but, yeah, by the time, you know, I, I remember we drove, there's a place called Rome, Georgia.
Oh, yeah, I've heard of it.
I think I did a show actually.
No, maybe I didn't.
I've heard of it.
Yeah, it's north.
It's kind of east of Atlanta, I think.
There used to be, I don't know if it's still there, a boarding school called Darlington or whatever.
My dad went there and my brother went to boarding school there, which is funny.
And there was a little club there, and we had a gig and we drove up there and we had made our first album.
And we drove up there and I remember.
We were driving, you remember?
A van, like we had a van.
It was probably my dad's van or something.
He let us use.
Fuck yeah, dad.
We drove up there.
Way to go, big stand.
And we said, like, by the time we fucking roll in the park, I'd be like, we're the black crows.
Everybody hip to that.
Like, this is what it is.
We're the black crows.
That's what we are.
We go in, we fucking set up our shit.
We do sound check.
And we're playing Jealous Again, Twice as Hard, like songs that would later, you know, that record would be.
Yeah, for sure.
The band, we get off stage.
There's a bar down the street.
We're going to go have a couple drinks.
The band that is opening for us was like a dad and like his daughter and their cousin or like some family shit.
And they were like, they set up and we were like, all right, like weird.
So we come back.
We're the black crows.
We walk in the club.
There's the only people there are the dad, the daughter, and the cousin in the band.
And they're sitting at a table eating Subway sandwiches.
And I'm like, we're the black crows.
And we played jealous again.
And they're just like eating their sandwiches.
They're like three people, four people.
I was like, oh, fucking hell.
This isn't going well.
Those are school.
And it was at a school?
No, it was at a club.
Yeah, but just somehow they put these people on, you know, the family on the bill.
The only way this story could be better is if they had been a Christian group, but I don't know.
Oh, dude.
I could only hope.
One time there was a guy that was kind of hitting me up.
I don't know if he was a pedophile and he thought I was young.
Let's hope, he won.
Oh, for sure, dude.
Because look, look, he needed something to do in his older years, but maybe he thought I was young enough.
Because a lot of times pedophiles are.
He's like, I'm so bored.
Yeah.
It's time to commit a crime against all nature.
But I'm just saying that like, because sometimes pedophiles will drive by and you'll be like, no, I'm 40, you know, like they just don't, you know what I'm saying?
Someone don't.
It's their hair.
Yeah.
And someone don't have good glasses.
It's all types of things.
It's eyewear, it's healthcare.
It's a lot of stuff.
The guy's not wearing his prescription.
He's wearing the glasses with the big nose because he's on the sex offenders registry.
And he doesn't want anyone to recognize that.
Well, I miss the old pedophile that at least had like the peeping tom, like the ladder hanging out of the back of the truck.
Like the old pedophile was your family, like, don't sit on Uncle Oscar's lap.
You know what I mean?
They're like, why would they invite the pedophile uncle?
He's like, kids want some quarters?
Like, no, you, we, no.
You know what we want?
We want justice for your victims.
He's fucking sick fuck.
That's what we want.
He's like, I got to roll the quarters into the middle of my pants.
You're like, that's crazy.
Who wants to dig for loose change?
What the fuck, you know?
But dude, those are the back when they had pedophile.
It was just a different time.
I mean, now they have them, but now they're like rich people are doing it.
Dude, I was thinking the other day.
There's a famous character.
It could be on Sonny and Cher or Maude or anything, the guy who runs over in a coat and like, that's a character on movies and TV shows.
He'd have a hat on and he'd run over.
There, that's a guy.
Yeah.
It was a thing that was on.
You just saw it as a kid on TV.
I'll tell you, hey, there's that guy.
As if he was a colorful neighborhood character.
Like a dude selling.
It's fucking horrible.
Yeah.
By the way, that's a Flasher Bazaar Raincoat people, which is a great band name.
We're Flasher Bazaar Raincoat people.
You're going to love us.
I mean, really love us.
Well, I'll tell you this.
I remember one time my uncle, I was in Atlanta, and I didn't really know him.
It was like a girl.
My dad had like a daughter from his first marriage.
He dropped me off over there.
She had an Italian husband who was like semi-out of work, kind of had an advertising agency and played mariachi music at night, right?
So he takes me to the wine shop or whatever, because I think he wanted to go talk to a woman.
So he just dropped me off in there for a little while.
A flasher comes up.
A lady goes, I remember this.
She's like, have you seen my kitty?
And I was, I'm thinking like, I was probably 12, maybe.
And I'm like, I'm in this store and I'm looking at these big bottles.
They had some big bottles of wine.
And I was thinking like, I don't know.
I don't think so.
And then she just showed her body like that, the front of her body or, you know, cooter and breasts or whatever.
And I didn't know what had happened, really.
I didn't know if I was in trouble.
Cooter and breast.
That's the new pub everyone's going to in Nashville.
It's right over by Donuts and Dildos.
Yeah, there's a father.
We don't go there anymore.
There's a father and daughter in there eating Subway right now if you pull up.
But that was a crazy time where I saw in the liquor store.
In the liquor store.
Good.
How old were you?
I was probably 12.
That's the perfect place for you to be when you're 12.
Yeah, well, why don't you just wander around?
Why don't you wander around the French whites over there?
Yes, those are Bordeaux.
Yeah, that's a puy fouse, if you like.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if you don't like the Fume, it's nice as well.
I'll be back in an hour and a half.
Have some salted peanuts.
Yeah.
But fuck, that was the days when any other, any building that was open was kind of a babysitter, you know, like parents would just drop you off or like significant people in your life.
Dude, the day my parents realized like they could split for the weekend and like Rich and I probably wouldn't die, they were gone.
You know what I mean?
Like here, they would put like, this is an emergency $20 bill.
And then it would be like, there's two gallons of ice cream and steak'ems in the refrigerator.
They had these things called steakums and they were like.
Bring them up.
Those bitches were nasty.
Bring them up.
Thin slices of some sort.
Steak'em.
Every time you ate them, a dolphin died somewhere.
By the way, I mean, hey, Post Malone, you should get steak'em on your face.
That would look cool.
You know what I mean?
Whoever, who's got face tattoos?
Jelly rolled, get fucking steak'em.
Oh, he would definitely be good for steak'em.
Yeah, slice, get the whole thing.
He should get steak.
Not anymore, you know, since he lost so much weight.
Steak.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Dude, that's rocking, bro.
At least on your neck or something.
Steak'ems.
Did you, oh, steak'ems.
Yeah, it is more of a neck thing than a face thing.
I think we're getting to that place where people are going to start renting out their body spaces for exactly for tattoos, just people to survive.
We're already at the place where, you know, a lot of people are selling their bodies on OnlyFans and over their phones and stuff like that.
So it's definitely getting to a unique.
What do you mean?
They're selling their bodies just like selling sexual videos and stuff.
Oh, okay.
I guess that's not their bodies, really.
You know?
I mean, it's their souls, but whatever.
I mean, it actually might be more.
Just kidding.
It might be more.
Whatever.
It's the oldest profession in the world.
I agree.
And look, I've supported it.
So I'm not, you know, you know what I mean?
So like, look, I mean, it's to you, I'm glad you have a healthy relationship with it after the kitty lady at the liquor store when you were 12.
That's traumatic.
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I still try as hard as I can to remember what she looked like, and I can't exactly.
I can remember the outline of her, but I can't remember like the end line.
And that's what I think I wanted to be.
I didn't see her, but if I close my eyes, I see the green lady from Star Trek.
Ooh, bring her up.
I don't remember her exactly, but I mean, I know it's your marriage.
There she is.
It's her, right?
Yeah, it was her.
It was her, dude.
Sorry.
God, dude.
You knew it.
But yeah, I definitely, I remember that.
Trying to think of what else.
Kids today, they have everything at their fingertips.
When we were kids, you had to wait till the green lady episode of Star Trek came on, which is probably only once or twice a year.
Yeah.
You had to play back a movie to play back a movie and try to pause it right at the spot where there's a part of a tit or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, it was, you know.
And you had to listen so hard for somebody coming in the front door because there's only one TV in the living room.
You didn't have your own TV in your room to touch your body to or whatever.
Yeah, to put your weights down and touch your body.
Yeah, and dance for your brother.
Or myself.
Yeah, or whoever.
Once we got a mirror in my room, he didn't need me anymore.
That was the crazy part.
That's the worst.
It was the wildest, dude.
And we had a lady.
That's good to, though.
That's a good.
You know, all of it is adding up.
You know, the rejection of that deep wound.
Oh, dude.
And the beaver lady, kitty lady.
It was there.
And you probably, did you ever work in a liquor store after that?
You're like, this is pretty nice.
No, I went to shrimp and video, though.
We had shrimp.
We'd shrimp out of pound and come rent a movie over there.
Pat Shrimp and Video.
And, but did you have other movies other than Forrest Gump?
Yeah, we just had 200 copies of Forrest Gump and one copy in the back of Foreskin Gump, which is a different movie altogether.
Bro, I had no fucking clue you're this hilarious, dude.
That's awesome.
Thank you, bro.
I was having a shit.
I know.
Four skin gump usually isn't in the press release before I show up.
I said, you know, fuck it.
You're drinking Sonic and shit.
I'm like, might as well.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
After the whole Foreskin thing, I'm not getting any fucking.
Who's going to have me?
You know what I mean?
Foreskinned Gump.
Yeah.
What did we watch?
I actually saw that on the spine of a porno in New York in the Old Tower Records by Lincoln Center up there.
To be honest with you, full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno section.
I was obviously going around to the free jazz documentaries.
And no, I wasn't.
But I saw it.
They didn't have that guy in Blackface.
They did it.
Let's hope.
Again, let's hope it's worse than we could ever imagine.
But they had all the covers off of the video.
This is before DVDs.
They had all the covers off of them, but just the words in black.
And there's a thousand words and my brain goes, Foreskin Gump.
I've never forgotten it.
Dude, that's great.
Yeah, I don't remember the first porno.
I knew my, I saw, they had a stack of videos, and I remember jerking off and blacking out.
I just couldn't handle it.
I couldn't handle having any feelings, especially not that much at once.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was like, ah.
Well, they say the first time is, you know, it's all you need.
It's never the same.
You know what I mean?
You're never the same.
Did you have, because I know you had experiences with drugs and stuff over the years.
Did you try to different drugs and thinking that they would help you write or create certain music?
Was there ever any of that energy?
Or is that something that like musicians even do, really?
I mean, I've always done my writing.
I might be a little stoned sometimes, but I've never did drugs to write.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I've but you know, like psychedelics, they're in my writing, but I don't take psychedelics to write.
All of it, all of it's in there, you know.
I mean, I was a person fairly well adjusted in some ways.
I never took drugs to blotto myself out.
I always, I, I truly, and talk about romance, my romantic relationship with drugs.
And okay, those lines can become blurry at a certain point in my life, but uh, I always kind of knew what was going on.
Um, I was never into speed and shit.
I mean, I was a Coke person and, you know, hard drugs.
Yeah, that was my fortune.
In the 90s, and but uh, speed, thank God, like only a few times I ever tried it.
I was, it was just a worst feeling thing.
It just didn't go with my chemistry.
But I, yeah, it was, I fucking love drugs.
You know what I mean?
I don't do them.
I'm, I'm six, almost, I'm getting, I'll be 60 years old this year.
And, uh, and I love my life and my responsibility.
And, um, and to do what I do, I can't do that.
You know what I mean?
I, you know, it's a sing and sing at a high level, hopefully.
The workload is, you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit and get up and oh, yeah, dude.
It's a different story as you get older.
I'm in recovery now from drugs, and it's like, yeah, dude, I liked it.
And if they came out with a version that was better for you, they have it.
It's called pharmaceutical cocaine.
It's just really fucking hard to get.
Are you serious?
I mean, I tried it.
I mean, it was noticeable.
It's on a whole pharmaceutical cocaine.
Yeah.
It's on another cocaine.
Look it up.
Yeah, bring it up.
Put it up.
Bring it up.
Let's see what Bear Monsanto is up to this week.
New pharmaceutical cocaine.
That's what we're looking for, probably.
Well, even the old one, I think it's better than the average.
I got this at the bowling alley cocaine.
Yeah.
I got it when it was still, the bag was still warm from somebody's hand.
Of course.
And if you didn't do it while it was warm, it was bad.
It was like Chinese food.
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Fantastic.
Huh.
That's the best Yelp review I've ever read.
Dude, it makes me think about this.
My favorite joke I ever heard, right?
It goes, what's the last thing you want to hear when you're giving a blowjob to Willie Nelson?
I'm not Willie Nelson.
I don't know why.
That's not my joke.
And I don't know whose it is, but it's my favorite joke ever.
So for some reason, I just had to share it with you.
I like it.
I like it.
Thanks, man.
Thanks, dude.
All I could think about is a sea of red and gray pubic hair now.
Yeah.
That's all I will.
I'll go to sleep thinking.
Oh, yeah.
So chairs.
I can't remember what she had.
She could have had a cock on her.
I have no idea.
You're like, yeah, but you were just so shocked.
I was so shocked that somebody would do this.
I couldn't understand that there was nothing under.
This is in Atlanta.
This was in, yep, this is in Atlanta, right off of like, I want to say peach tree.
Not road.
It was Robin Circle.
Right.
They're all peach trees.
Like, there's a few.
Something civil rights boulevard.
It was something like that.
It was, it was a lot of action.
That's every street.
It really was.
Do you remember a time where you got the highest you ever did in your life?
Like, you remember a time where you got too high, kind of?
Uh, yeah, yeah, a couple times, a couple times I got too high.
Uh, one time, we our old keyboard player in the Black Crows in the 90s is guy Eddie Harsh.
Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene.
And Ed was really my drug professor, you know, and he taught me a lot about not just music and stuff, but especially, you know, the underground business we were in at the time.
He looks a little native, huh?
He's Ukrainian, actually.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, his parents came to Toronto after World War II.
Oh, Canadians are good.
But one night we were on the bus and he had like a couple of bags of shake weed.
And he talked like this, man.
You know, he's like, man, I'm going to go get some brownie mix at the truck stop.
I'm like, all right, all right.
So I don't fucking, I don't know.
You know, he comes down the bus and he takes two bags of shake and pours it in this little thing of microwave brownie mix and he mixes that shit up.
He's like smoking a cigarette and shit.
And he put that in there and I was like, all right.
I mean, I don't know.
How fucked up can we get?
And he put the icing on it and he said, you eat half and I'll eat half.
And I was like, then I was a racerhead.
You know what I mean?
It was a nightmarish.
It was either 10,000 days or five minutes of complete mind-ripping hell of like the, I thought there's only death can save me.
And I just, it was just dumb.
I just didn't know.
You know what I mean?
I was like, oh, I'll eat half of it.
Yeah.
It was the dumbest shit I ever did in my life.
Except the only worst drug experience I ever had.
I was a kid and a kid at my school gave me some red man chewing tobacco.
But just like a piece like this, I fucking put that shit in my mouth and my parents had gone out or whatever.
Five minutes later, first it felt amazing.
The stars were brighter.
The world had a warm glow.
30 seconds after that, I can still taste the back of my teeth from throwing up so horribly in my parents' bushes at our house in Jackson's Creek subdivision.
Sounds like the worst CWT.
Yeah, you know, the worst CW show.
This episode, you know, Skylar gives Jasper chlamydia.
You know what I mean?
Where did you get it?
I don't want to tell you.
I got this week.
Uncle Oscar.
Yeah, this week.
Well, he's not my uncle.
You're Uncle Oscar.
This week on Jackson's Creek.
I could totally see it, dude.
Fuck, bro.
Yeah, there was something about being in the neighborhood.
There was something about doing drugs, dude.
I loved it.
I remember.
I was scared of drugs so long.
I didn't start until I was older.
Dude, I remember one time doing some shit.
Somebody gave me something supposed to be cocaine or something.
And I knew it was like a performance-enhancing drug, right?
And this is the second time I'd ever, this is the first time I'd ever gotten it for myself.
I'd done it twice like out in Tucson.
I was working as a bus boy, and people said it was like a performance enhancer, right?
You will be able to clean these tables so much better than you were doing for you dropped a fork.
100%.
Yeah, right?
100% though.
So I did this shit.
I'm down in Baton Rouge.
And I just started, I was like, well, I'm going to go for a good run.
I'm going to get a strong run in.
So I'm running.
I'm stopping and doing this shit.
And at a certain point, I was, I just got, I got really squirreled out.
Like, I was afraid to run, right?
But I was wearing umbros.
Remember, umbro shorts?
I was wearing umbros and shoes and no shirt, right?
And I was like, oh man.
It's typical Louisiana menswear.
I get it.
Typical swink on the train tracks type of energy.
Okay.
You're like, okay.
So I'm running right through like Tigerland, which is like right around LSU campus.
And there was like a fence.
And so I jump in these.
I jumped over this fence.
I was like, I can't be.
It's too many people are out here driving by, jump over this fence.
And I'm in a kind of like a backyard area.
And they had a little bird bath or whatever.
And I remember I was drinking out of that bird bath when the people came outside.
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
You know, you're like, I'm trying to get a tapeworm.
What does it look like I'm doing?
What do you think I'm doing?
I'm stopping.
I'm ingesting water and bird feces.
So mind your own business.
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I was in Baton Rouge a few years ago, and I just went to, you know, get some cage to get some food, some good food.
It was a little bit out of town.
And at the time, I was with Camille and I, my wife, we weren't married yet, but I had a Prius at the time.
I don't know, the shame.
But I remember eating and looking out in the restaurant, and I was like, man, I haven't seen a Prius since I got into Louisiana.
I was all fucking trucks and fucking more trucks and shit.
I was like, if we pulled in here in a Prius, they would fucking kill us.
It'd be, yeah, it's not.
I mean, this was a while ago.
It's frowned upon.
No, it's frowned upon.
Maybe the Prius stigma is over there or something.
I don't even have them anymore.
It would still be kind of frowned upon a little bit, but it'd be understood, maybe.
I had one because I wanted to know what erectile dysfunction felt like.
Oh, yeah.
So I got one.
Yeah.
And then I was like, this isn't so good.
This isn't worth it.
This isn't for me.
God, dude.
That would be my band name, probably erectile dysfunction over the years.
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I know that you had a like a, you're a Grateful Dead fan and that you guys have kind of crossed paths over the years.
Yeah, yeah.
And you've played with some of their musicians.
Yeah, I spent a lot of time in the old realms of the GDs.
Yeah.
Did you go to Bob Weir's funeral?
I did not.
I did not.
I wasn't.
Or were people even invited to it?
I don't even know how to say that.
I mean, I'm sure they had a private service for him and then they had a public thing.
Yeah.
I mean, I was super, I mean, I'm just super lucky to, you know, rise to the ranks of so many musicians that I've respected and loved.
And, you know, we were talking about Bob today and I was like, Bob's great, his great gift is his truly unique, truly outside-the-box musician.
Somebody who just his whole, that's how he was.
You know what I mean?
Just very unique, Bob Weir.
You know, like no one thought like him or played like him.
And that's, again, when you look at the world of music, full of unique characters, full of unique voices, full of talented people, sometimes troubled people.
You know what I mean?
And then you have someone like Bob who really stood out.
I mean, that's what made the Grateful Dead so special.
It's funny how things that start off like that and then become sort of so popular with, you know, it starts off.
I mean, the Grateful Dead start off as like kind of scary, like art rock, acid, heavy acid.
You had to be pretty brave, I think, to go see the Grateful Dead in 1968.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good point.
Because you were coming out on the other side.
You know what I mean?
Like, ooh, there was no micro-dosing, you know, back then.
You know, there was no coward's dose, as I call it.
Like, guess what?
A guy at Columbia University said I could take mushrooms.
I'm like, what?
Yeah, read this article.
What about all of us in the fucking trenches for years?
You know what I mean?
What about us all over here?
Yeah.
What about all the brain damage we have?
You know what I mean?
I could have told you that shit.
Oh, dude.
No brain damage.
I'm just.
No.
But like, what I see, that you know, you said you like Chi Cha Chong.
Think about it.
Now we're talking about, I took a microdose.
Good.
I'm happy, by the way.
Don't, don't take my being sarcastic wrong.
Whatever it takes to get you through the night to have a nice life and deal, I'm happy.
But, you know, like in Chi Chicha Chang, when he like, he goes, that's the most acid I ever saw.
He's like, what?
And he's like, he's like laughing at her.
We're like, that's the drug seed we grew up in.
Like, go ahead, man.
I hope you have like a month.
You know what I mean?
Look at him right there.
Play it.
I want to see this, actually.
This is great.
Work your way up to these goddamn bananas.
That's you, single-steam shit kid, son of a bitch.
I'll start you off with the strawberries and work your way up.
He goes, what does he say?
Bend and scoop.
Hey, man.
Am I driving okay?
That's in Malibu on PCH.
Is it really?
Yeah.
I think we're parked, man.
Yeah.
That's perfect.
People don't even realize how much that scene has been used in other movies since then because of that scene, right?
It kind of goes back to like what we're talking about.
That's false advertising that.
I always, my favorite shit in the whole movie, though, is the thing when he's like, yeah, these are waiter uniforms.
He's like, yeah, man, we want to look the same, but different.
You know, like a band, you know, it's a fucking anytime, you know, someone's like, yeah, they look like a band.
You know, it's yeah, I know Curtis, man.
Oh, I don't even remember that.
My brain's a little bit bad sometimes.
I think I had an Amnest or fuck, I don't know what it's called.
Good.
At least it took away whatever it's called.
You got kicked in the head by a mule.
Is that what it's called?
Whatever your brain does, fucking something's wrong with it.
I think I got that, bro.
You're like, yeah, something happened to my brain.
I got kicked in the head by a mule.
Was there an artist death over the years that?
I mean, I know that's a weird question, but was it like, was there, yeah, was there like an artist death that you feel like had the most effect on you as a musician, kind of or just as like a human being, I guess?
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, I mean, but probably my personal friends who passed away, who are great musicians, have always affected me.
Todd Schneider passing away, dear friend.
Bring up a picture of him.
Special, special person, freak, freak in the world.
Lovely, lovely person.
I had a very special friendship with him.
Very sad.
But like big people that I don't know or whatever, like when Prince died, I was because I grew up.
I mean, I fucking love Prince so much.
Prince hurt a lot of people.
Like, I remember a lot of my friends being a lot more shocked than I thought they would when Prince died.
I thought Prince would have got a little more murals and t-shirts, but it looked like David Bowie got all that.
And I love David Bowie too, but I was like, I just, I mean, Prince, ever since I, you know, I grew up in Atlanta when I was like, before I got into like rock and like sort of punk and indie rock scene,
I played a little high school basketball and I was obsessed with funk, peep funk records, George Clinton, but I was there like Zap, Gap Band, SOS, Slave, Prince, the Time, Vanity Six.
I was like, Rick James, fucking loved Rick James, man.
As a matter of fact, I have a scar under here.
Rick James was playing the Cool Jazz Festival at the old Atlanta Fulton County Stadium.
And my dad knew a DJ at V103, FM, which was like the funk station.
So this is kind of all before like rap music takes over.
And I had tickets to go to go see Rick James and Cameo, who I mean, Cameo was the other one that I loved.
And Frankie Beverly and Maze was on there, a bunch of RB bands.
And my friend had got a bottle of vodka, and we got so fucked up the day before that I jumped in this.
My parents found me in the neighborhood swimming pool in the shallow end with my, I had jumped in and my chin was cut open.
I was bleeding in the pool.
And people are like, get the fuck out of the pool, man.
I was 15 years old.
I was like, I'm going to get out of the fucking pool.
You get out of the fucking pool.
I mean, I'm out of my mind.
And I look up, and there's my mom and dad or my brother.
And I had missed basketball, like spring basketball practice or whatever.
My dad's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Why are you bleeding in the pool?
I was like, what?
And I got in the car and I was just like, hey, another thing.
You guys know that Rick James had a hovercraft.
He fucking does.
I'm pretty sure he does whatever.
I'm just drunk.
My brother's like, you need to fucking smell like booze and you need to shut the fuck up.
I'm like bleeding.
I go get stitched up.
I go home.
I pass out.
My dad fucking kicks me awake at like fucking five in the morning.
I have a full grown up hangover.
It's five in the morning.
He's like, we're going for a run.
We fucking run three miles.
It was like the great Stantini.
We run three miles.
I didn't throw up or anything.
And we got to like the last 50 yards.
And he was like, man, you know, you're not going to that fucking concert today.
I was like, God, damn.
He said, no.
He said, you fucked up yesterday.
Who do you think?
What did they do, guilt, man?
What do you think your mother thinks?
She's probably happy that I'm safe at home.
They never let you in.
What's done is done, father.
Yeah.
They never let you in.
So I never saw Rick James.
Did you?
That is a bad one.
Oh, dude.
One of the first shows I ever went to, Smashing Pumpkins.
Actually, my buddy and I had a pedia file that dropped us off at Marilyn Manson.
We were underage.
We're probably, I think, 14, 15.
He dropped us off at Marilyn Manson at the Rendon Inn over there in New Orleans, which is pretty wild.
But the first time you had like an exorbitant amount of pedos in your neighborhood.
You know that, right?
I mean, we were kind of kids who were like looking for like people to be around.
And so I didn't who's around are like creepy dudes.
I'll take you guys.
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
So it's always like, oh, we, you know, and you don't realize the guy's a pedo, you think he's just a cool guy.
Then you get older and you're like, oh, that guy was 37 hanging out with us.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, smoking pot and fucking trying to wait for you guys at the parking lot.
Trying to tickle everybody.
Yeah.
It's horrible.
It was crazy.
Dude, the craziest part was, though, my best friend Scott, I used to, his dad knew the guy who was like the pedo guy.
This one guy, Mr. Richard.
So I would write letters from Mr. Richard to my buddy Scott and mail him to his house all the time.
That's fucked up.
And his stepdad.
That's good shit.
That's good shit, too.
I get it.
I like the, you know, you're just that's the shit I love, bro.
I know.
Just the psychological torture.
Yeah, I get it.
And his stepdad would be like, oh, you still talking to this motherfucker?
And he'd come in and just throw the fucking mail right at him.
And they already had the worst relationship.
He didn't know, right?
No, yeah.
He thought it was the real guy.
No idea, dude.
I'd send him like four Christmas cards every year from this dude, bro.
Because when you're a pedophile, I bet they fucking love Christmas, I bet.
You know, I mean, yeah.
Because it's just an old dude stopping in and getting fucking and relating with children.
That's all it is.
Dude, we see, look at the old Christmas pictures.
Your parents took you down to some guy, some drunk in a beard, and you sat on his lab.
He's like, you know what I mean?
I'm sure if Scub, boycott, Boy Scout guys are pedos, then the Santa guys, there had to be one, one or two.
It's like, oh, we went to the Easter Bunny.
I know the Easter Bunny had an erection.
You know what I mean?
How could you tell?
I could just fucking tell.
You know what I mean?
And it wasn't about pagan rabbit fucking.
This was real.
No, this is real.
Yeah.
God-given blood to muscle erection.
Yeah.
The science of the thing.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's great.
Somebody's a pedophile and their friend is just the scientific science of the thing.
You know, it's a scientific thing.
You gotta open and have opened for you like so many amazing groups.
Is there like a tour or a part of like your music or I guess even maybe your musical life that you would go back to and redo if you could kind of?
I know you said you're not a go back guy.
Yeah, it is what it is.
You know what I mean?
Like, again, I and I've had the opportunity in life if I've made, you know what I mean?
If I, if I, if there was something that, that I felt what, that, that, I was involved in when, that was rude, I don't know, whatever.
Um, I've had the opportunity to tell people, man, so that was fucked up, you know what I mean?
Whatever.
I mean, I mean it.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it, but I don't care to change anything.
Right.
You know, they say, what would you, what's your letter to your younger self?
I'm like, I, um, I don't know if that would have meant anything.
Um, that's a good point.
What younger self would give a fuck.
You know, it's funny because I, I, I was saying the other day, like, I love Steven Tyler.
He's been supportive.
He's a friend.
I'm always there for him.
And I was telling the story when we sold a lot of records on the first record.
He called me and goes, save your money, man.
And I was like, I'm 24.
I'm not saving my money.
Like, I love you.
And I appreciate the wisdom because you've been through it all in this business.
I've made one record.
You know what I mean?
Like, I did appreciate the advice, but I was also like, I'm a, I, no way.
Am I, no way is this?
I'm not just made the first record and had this success.
And now's the time to play it safe.
You know what I mean?
I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense to me.
That's a good point.
Did you get something?
Do you ever get something that was pretty wild, kind of, like something cool?
No.
Like a skull or something, like a human bone or whatever?
I mean, someone gifted me a human skull later.
That was through weird Grateful Dead stuff.
There was no members of the Grateful Deads.
It was like at a parking, like a trade.
Like I'd wonder if you know, someone gave it to me.
And was like a fan or something?
My extravagance has always been the same.
I like clothes and I like travel.
I like to travel.
I'm obsessive.
I'm obsessed with food.
I'm obsessed with cuisines from my travels and around grapes and stuff like that.
Food, just the food.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
A lot of my downtime when we travel is based around food.
So that's a bit bougie.
But really all I spend money on truly is books and records.
You know, I've been collecting records since I was 12 and books as well.
So it's just a giant cluster fuck of, you know, I moved out of my parents' house in 1987 with just cases of records and boxes of books.
And it's still the same thing, kind of.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm not a car guy or I don't have like rare guitars and shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't really like, I don't really spend money on almost anything.
I kind of, I care about it, but I guess you're right.
Like getting to go places, I'm realizing it's a little bit more important.
I was just in, have you been to Oahu?
No.
I was in Kauai once.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, I went to Oahu.
They had like a surf competition going on.
It's like a real one, you know?
Not like the Brady Bunch.
Right.
But yeah, they had this competition was going on.
Amazing.
But it only happens if the weather permits.
So like each morning, you kind of have to get there and see if it and hope that the conditions are.
Yeah.
And hope that the conditions are cool.
Beach Adventures in Jamaica00:15:15
But it was pretty incredible.
When I go to the ocean things, I like to go to Jamaica.
I have a lot of.
You ever see Diplo down there?
I think he has a house down there.
I didn't even know.
I've never been invited.
I'm going to tell that.
I'm kind of in the country too.
A place called Bluefield.
It's been very Bluefields Bay.
Yeah.
Westmoreland and Westmoreland.
There's Bluefields.
Yeah.
Actually, I stayed at that place, the second one to the left.
Yeah, I stayed at that place a long time ago.
Wild.
But the hurricane was brutal there.
Brutal, brutal.
It was really sad.
But Jamaicans are incredible people.
So that's your place if you choose to go to a beach at your spot.
I like to go to Jamaica.
Yeah.
I like Jamaicans.
I like Jamaican food.
Bananas and meat.
Sweet sop and sour sops.
And I, there you go.
Oh, that looks good.
We have a Jamaican dog that's named Bammy because in Jamaica, we eat a cassava root that's kind of deep fried like a hash brown.
It's called Bummy.
There's a piece of Bami.
So that's kind of the color of our dog when we found her.
She was a street dog in Jamaica.
Oh, did you ever meet that guy down there, McAfee, that virus guy?
You ever meet that guy?
No, I kind of, when I go, I've been going for years.
We always just take off to the country.
You know what I mean?
Just chill.
I like my, I have like really close people there.
They're the most soulful, incredible people.
And we just fucking play dominoes and laugh.
And there's Mammy Longface.
Oh, Jamaican dog.
That's a nice animal, huh?
She's the best.
She has another name.
The perfect one.
You've always been an animal lover?
I like, yes, I like, I'm a, I love, yeah, we have a cool cat too.
Yes, I love, I love pets.
I love having pets.
But I didn't have like rabbits and, you know, guinea pigs and shorts.
Horses you ever?
No.
I love horses.
I don't ride, but I love them.
Yeah.
My wife's a horse girl.
I'm not good on them.
I've done it.
I mean, it's fun.
I liked it.
I wish I'd grown up.
We didn't do shit in my house.
That's why I was busy watching all these weird movies and getting weird and listening to records.
You know what I mean?
I did play little league football and I did martial arts when we were kids and played basketball.
You know what I mean?
I did shit like that.
And when I was a kid, you know what?
I liked to fish when I was a kid.
Oh, fishing's fun.
I haven't done it in like 40 years, 50 years.
I don't know.
Really?
You haven't done it that long?
No.
Who took you fishing?
My racist Uncle Bruce.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because my dad didn't really give a fuck about fishing.
Yeah, sometimes.
I didn't know he was like that then, but I liked it because we would go down to Florida and do saltwater fishing.
And then being in Georgia, we would do bass fishing and stuff.
It was fun when I was a kid, but I haven't done shit like that forever.
Yeah, sometimes I was too busy reading Jean-Cocteau.
One more question about music, and then I want to hear a little bit more about your new album.
And the new album, it's called A Pound of Feathers.
The band made a record called A Pound of Feathers.
The band, in this case, was just me and Rich and our drummer Cully.
This record, we went in the studio without any songs.
We just had some ideas and riffs and we wanted to do it that way.
We wanted to do something that was more spontaneous and on the fly really and see where that took us.
So we ended up, my joke with friends was we could have done it in five days if we had written any songs, but it took eight or nine days or whatever.
For the whole album?
Yeah, yeah.
It was beautiful.
You know what I mean?
We were on a roll.
I mean, Rich has parts and I have, I will, I will go and have like five or six notebooks full of ideas.
But that doesn't mean anything either because a lot of times I'll just pull things out of the sky or whatever.
No matter what, the world changes.
You know, we're talking about buying snow tires and blowjobs for program directors at rock radio stations or whatever.
The good old days, Reagan.
And you can sell some fucking records too.
Yeah, that was fucking really good.
For us, it's always like that was just a part of like the business that was adjacent to what we loved and wanted to do playing in a band.
And it's funny because all these years later, we realized that making records, you know, we're not going to be, we're not going to have, we're not going to sell American records.
We're not going to sell any records.
But this is what it is.
But for us to get in there and to know, you know, and to feel that way and to realize like, look, man, when we got started, we didn't know shit except we knew what was authentic and real in our hearts and what music meant to us.
And if we're going to join, you know, when our first record came out, I'm like, dude, we're in, look, you go in a record store and there's Black Crow's records, but there's John Coltrane records.
You know what I mean?
Brian Adams.
Leonard Cohen.
Yeah, right.
And other Canadians as well.
But, or whoever, you know, the multitude of things that we loved and the time, you know, how important record stores were, that we're a part of something meant something to us.
It still does.
And that we can still have a vibrancy about what it is we want to do and say, that we can have those moments where I'm sitting there and we're writing these songs and it works.
And I don't care if it works, again, in other construct.
It works for me and my brother because this is, we wrote, started writing some songs at mom and dad's and you know, here we are.
Yeah.
And it's, and now our songs are in people's lives and that kind of thing.
But then it's still fucking energy that I like that I can look around and the fucking darkened time that we're in and muster the vibes to make something and feel this is what I want to say.
You know, my poetry doesn't have to have any message other than its humanity, other than, you know what I mean?
And the connection I want through the things that I've done, the things that I am, the things that I dream up, my imagination.
You know what I mean?
I always laugh because have you ever seen Barton Fink, the movie Barton Fink, the Cohen Brothers movie?
No, I'm not, actually, I think I tried to watch it.
Let me see a picture of it.
It's black.
John Tatiro plays this guy who goes to LA.
It's a movie about writer's block.
It looks just like Eraserhead.
Yeah, yeah.
Totally, totally.
But there's a scene in the movie with a writer.
He befriends another writer who's a southern guy.
And he's kind of, I guess, based on like William Faulkner or something was in California.
I don't know.
But he has this real, Barton Fink's really passionate.
You write for the common man.
And how do you, you know, how does, where do the words come from that you can communicate like that?
And he, and he's a drunk, the other writer, and he's from the South.
And he goes, well, Barton, I like to make things up.
And I was like, I was like, that's it.
You know what I mean?
Like, it kind of is what it is.
And it's the same things.
I don't have a toolbox at home, but I like to write and I like to, you know, I like to dream.
And this is a dreamer's paradise.
I've made my own reality out of my limitations as a fully functional person because of whatever, the way my mind works.
And it helps if you sing good, whatever, you know what I mean?
And you like to get on stage and keep people interested.
And, you know, there's a bit of the old, it's like Bob Dylan says, I'm a song and dance man.
You know what I mean?
So I'm that as well.
Yeah.
It's so, dude.
The other night, a girl was talking about our music for so long that she got up and sang for me, and it was some of the worst stuff I ever heard.
And I'd like for 70% of our time together, I was there with her, and then it fell apart in that last season.
So I think the sharing it how you share it is right.
But I do think it's interesting.
Like it is a dreamer's paradise.
And one thing that you don't want to lose, like no matter how bleak times seem or how dark certain things are that are going on, is that we have to stay creative, right?
Like we, like, as much as it hurts, or as it's tough, or it's like, it's not, it's not easy to sit and do to think of like, oh, I can be creative right now.
I think if we lose that, then that's, then, then that's going to be really bad, you know?
Agreed.
Agreed.
I mean, and that's again, I think the inspiration of all of these things we are seeing have all been played out before.
We've seen it.
And the reality of that is, is we see who you know, we'll see this come to some sort of look.
Like I said, who knows between then and there.
Yeah.
But I refuse to allow defeatism to rule my life.
I refuse to let the fear and ignorance of the whole thing dictate my every fucking thing.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Because I don't know.
Because I think you have, like you said, you have to.
And I, and I'm.
And we can get addicted to the new, but you get addicted to that stuff.
And then it takes over your time.
It takes over your life.
Yeah.
And it takes your flame down and it takes your flame.
And you're like, what am I doing here?
You know, it might be, I mean, it's not even escapism to me because I need to, when we were talking earlier about how I have to keep my head or I have to devote myself to whatever the thing is, it's the muse that keeps my creative energy where I want it to be and what it means.
In the exact same respect, if these things, these things cycle through, people, you, yeah, it's proven again, you can't stop.
You know what I mean?
And I don't know.
I feel like I feel like you can't, again, I'm not, I don't want to put my head in the sand because that doesn't help.
Yeah.
But I do realize that we're on the beach.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I do realize too that there's a lot of footprints on the beach.
You know what I mean?
People have been coming to this beach for a long fucking time.
We just kind of have to remember that as well.
That's a good point.
I mean, you know, people romanticize and they in any time in history, tyrants and people who kings who have become deranged and, you know, the abuse of power and ego and all these things.
And you can see what happens.
You know what I mean?
You see what you know what I mean?
You, you, it goes for a while, but then it's over because humans don't play that.
You know, if there's like a song that we use when we ride in a battle, say this has to happen, right?
And we won't put you on a horse or me.
I'll be out in the back.
I'll be the menu.
Catering would be better for me.
I don't know.
Can I still get a medal?
You know what I mean?
At least, you know, the catering will be like very enjoyable.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like, sorry, sorry, El Camadante.
That's the wrong white wine with the Branzino.
Do you do we are?
What song do we listen to when we ride in a battle?
Do you think maybe it's going to be like the perfect song, but what's a good one, huh?
Well, it's definitely not Onward Christian Soldiers.
That doesn't have a good beat.
I can't dance to it.
I don't know.
Would it be It's a Long Way to the Top If You Want to Rock and Roll by ACDC?
That might be a good one.
Yeah, play that real quick.
I want to make sure that I'm on the right one about.
You had it.
I did.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
God, dude.
So many things.
Immediately I'm back in my bedroom, dude, watching my brother dance.
Fucking good sounding guitars.
Hell yeah.
That's good, man.
Thank you so much.
What about your new tour?
Can you tell us like what?
Obviously, it's tougher touring now.
Is there anything that's super different about it?
There it is.
Oh, Whiskey Myers.
That's right.
I saw you guys at Ascend, I think, like two years ago.
And then I saw you in New Orleans, like, I think it might have been the 90s probably, or no, maybe 2000s.
I mean, many times.
This tour is going to be super fun.
You know what I mean?
They're a little bit country and we're a little bit rock and roll.
And we're a little bit country.
They're a little bit rock and roll too.
Got to work on that chorus, Donnie and Marie.
What the fuck?
Yeah, I mean, touring, you know, I still love it.
I still think there's a lot of adventure to have.
And it's the same, kind of some of the things we were talking about.
There will be someone I never met.
They will be saying, you know, we have a good time.
It should be fun.
You know, touring's fun.
It's called playing music.
It's fun.
It's hard sometimes when you get older and the crowd is, you know, telephone.
People's phones put up sometimes a wall between what we want to put out and what we want y'all to pick up.
Oh, that's a good statement.
You know, because now it used to be like this and now, you know, what?
Oh, yeah.
Or, oh, you know, instead of really feeling the music and hearing the music and seeing where that could take you.
That being said, I don't police anybody.
You know what I mean?
Like, do what you want to do.
I'm so happy that you are bought a ticket.
No matter how you get there, what you do when you get there, that's up to you.
I'm just saying that as a guy who's spent this fucking lot of time on stage, you know, and I'm the type of performer who I need, I need the, I need it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I need something back.
It feels good.
That's when stuff ceases to, it just flows all together.
You know, and those are the, those are the shows and the moments that are you did that aren't hard.
You know what I mean?
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Yes.
And those are the ones where just like, oh, this is beautiful.
This is, this is everything.
And that we have that more than we don't.
Yeah.
But I know what you're saying.
Even I noticed that even when I've done that and I noticed how it feels, I went to see Aerosmith on their, when they were playing in Las Vegas when they had the, this is like maybe three, four years ago.
Yeah, yeah, their residency there.
Yeah.
And there was one time when Stephen Tyler came right over by me and I was like trying to get my phone and I like miss this moment.
I still just feel bad.
I still think about, man, what was I doing?
You know, like, what was I doing?
So instead of just should have let the quicksilver that is Steven like envelop you as he went by.
Oh, I still, yeah, the best, dude.
Chris Robinson, thanks so much, man.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate your time.
Certainly enjoyed my music.
Thanks for all the excitement over the years.
Yeah, just the time to get to come see you.
Me and my brother still talk about the crows.
So we still listen to it together.
So thank you so much, man.
Thank you, man.
Yep.
Tell your brother I said, hey.
I will, dude.
Does he have big muscles?
No, but he's a smart guy.
And he's kind of like your brother, I think.
He's he's probably the sweet.
I think he's like the sweeter one of us.
Or this, he's a sweet guy, but like a just like he's he's a nice guy.
So tell Rich I said hello.
I will, of course.
He'll love it.
Thank you, brother.
Cheers.
Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.