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	Today's guest is a legendary actor, bodybuilder, tastemaker, really in the world of bodybuilding.
	He was the governor of California.
	When you think of the American dream, he is pretty much it.
	The second season of his Netflix show, Fubar, is dropping soon.
	We're going to talk about that.
	And a lot more.
	I'm honored to sit down with the one and only Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
	I'm on the show.
	So where do you work out of North?
	I live in Nashville, Tennessee now.
	Tennessee.
	Yeah.
	I lived here for about 12 years.
	It's a growing city now, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's growing fast because it's safe.
	They have you can have a weapon if you need to.
	So you can, you know, I think there's that semblance of you can take care of yourself type of energy.
	Right.
	And so, and it's a friendly community and it's very safe.
	You know, it's like a lot of cities, some of them get kind of dangerous.
	It's known for its country music, right?
	Yeah.
	Did you ever listen to country music growing up?
	Yeah, I mean, that's when it's growing up.
	Growing up was kind of rock and roll.
	You know, the 50s, rock and roll.
	Did they have any, because you grew up in Austria, right?
	Or to what age?
	Austria, yeah.
	I was an Austrian until I was 19. And so we were, there was a program that was called Hit Parade and the Hit Parade.
	A television show?
	No, no.
	We didn't have television.
	So we just had the radio at home.
	But I had then bought, I was like 15 and I just bought my first transistor radio in a little plastic box, right?
	And I paid off like 50 shilling a month until it was paid off a year later.
	But then that I always took down to the lake where I grew up.
	And we were sitting around the boys from a village and we were listening to this hit parade.
	It was from 7 to 8 at night on Wednesdays.
	And there was like Lil Richard and Chuck Berry and all of those guys that were big in the 50s and 60s.
	Exactly.
	And so I grew up with that.
	And that's why I have that station in my radio 50s at all times.
	Oh, so you still listen to it?
	I just love it, right?
	Then when I came over here, I became aware of a little bit of the country Western kind of music.
	Did you go to a concert in Austria?
	Was there a concert you ever went to before you came over?
	I could never afford a concert.
	Are you kidding me?
	I had no money.
	But I mean, when I came over here, I then became aware of the country Western songs, especially Johnny Cash.
	He'd done a television show, a weekly television show.
	And it was great, great music.
	And so I fell in love with that.
	And then friends of mine here in America then took me to concerts.
	You know, it was like a jazz concert or a country western concert and all of this stuff.
	And so that's when I started really getting into it.
	But I mean, I love the music.
	But when you grow up in Austria, most of the stuff that you hear is really Austrian music.
	You know, the umpeda, umpede de la and all this kind of thing.
	It's a beautiful music.
	Beautiful music.
	But I mean, that's what you hear on public radio and public television also.
	That's what you see.
	And you see operas and you hear concerts.
	You know, my father himself was a musician.
	He played six instruments.
	Six instruments?
	Yeah, six instruments.
	All kind of like Fligliroen, trumpet, saxophone, clarinet, all of the stuff like that.
	A lot of traditional music he would play.
	Yeah, yeah, very traditional, because he was the conductor of the Chandemarie music, which is the police, the country police, like the Chandemy.
	Chante-Marie, it's called?
	Yeah, Chandemarie is a French word, chendarme.
	And so he was a chendarme, he was a police officer.
	And so he played in that Chandemarie music.
	Would he play at home or where would he play at home?
	He practiced at home.
	While I was training, I remember I was doing my workouts and he would be standing, the window would be open up at our house and he would be kind of playing out to the window, out the window.
	And there was a kid that was my age that lived 150 yards away from us.
	He was one of my best friends.
	And he also learned how to play the trumpet at the age of like 13 or 14. So he would play over there and then my dad would play over here and they were going back and forth like that.
	So it was really fun.
	Like a couple of birds almost.
	But I never, for some reason or the other, my dad always wanted me to get into music.
	Not as professional, but I mean.
	Yeah, I tried it.
	It just didn't work.
	What instrument?
	Well, he tried with trumpet, obviously.
	Then he thought that he kind of seduce me kind of into the music because I liked Elvis.
	So he said, well, why don't you learn how to play the guitar?
	I don't play the guitar, he says, but there's a farmer that is 100 yards up the road.
	He plays the guitar and he can teach.
	He's also a teacher.
	And so I would go to him, but it just, I just could see right away that that was not meant for me.
	Was there a lot of, like, when you were a child in Austria, was there a lot of like individualism or were things very like regimented?
	Like in America, you could like, you can be an individual, right?
	But some countries, it's a little bit harder to kind of like, you know, be an individual and have a voice.
	I'm just wondering, what was it like there when you were young?
	Did it feel like things were regimented or it was okay to be rebellious?
	What was it like there?
	Well, I was rebellious in a way because, I mean, think about it, soccer and track and field, they were kind of like the in-sports.
	But when I was exposed to weightlifting and to powerlifting and to bodybuilding.
	I fell in love with that.
	And also, because my heroes, like Reg Park and Steve Rift, were doing Hercules movies, and I just started looking at those movies, right?
	And so I said to myself, I want to be like that.
	I don't want to be a top soccer player.
	I want to be like that.
	I want to have some muscles like that.
	And I want to get into movies like that.
	So that all of a sudden became my dream.
	So you really wanted to be like this?
	Yeah.
	So I was fixiated.
	I was concentrating that I kind of put visually my head on Reg Park's body.
	And I said to myself, there was a picture, a famous picture, where he won the Mr. Universe contest in London in 1951.
	And when I saw that picture, it was like him holding the trophy and flexing his bicep.
	And then I said to myself, can you imagine if this is me?
	I'm going to make this me.
	And so that's what I was training for.
	So my parents thought that it was kind of like, what is that all about?
	Where did that come from?
	And the whole neighborhood was kind of like wondering, what is this guy doing training every day, two hours, three hours a day?
	I came home and instead of having lunch, I would put my sit-up board up on the kitchen table and I would be doing sit-ups.
	500 sit-ups doing lunch.
	You were addicted to the list.
	You were totally, totally addicted.
	Because I was driven by my vision.
	It was always there.
	Even when I was in school, I would sometimes just wander off when the teacher was teaching out there and writing up something on the blackboard.
	And I would be looking at it.
	And then all of a sudden, he could see that I was just kind of like staring off.
	And then all of a sudden, he threw a chalk at my head, you know, bang.
	And I looked back again.
	He says, Arnold, I'm up here.
	I mean, I know you're looking at the beautiful trees out there.
	They're more beautiful maybe than me, but you got to listen to what I'm saying.
	So I noticed I was always kind of drifting off and visualizing my dreams, always visualizing my dreams, being on that stage in the Mr. Universe contest, doing maybe Hercules movies, going to America and all of that.
	So it was very different.
	So that was not the norm.
	So I did step out of the norm because everyone else was talking about, oh, I'm going to go and get a job with the government because I want to make sure that I collect my pension when I was 65 and all this.
	I had no interest in any of that pension.
	I mean, what are we talking about?
	The age of 18, we start talking about pensions.
	I mean, it's crazy, right?
	But that's the European way.
	Everyone looks for stability, especially in those times where government was really ruling.
	So then that's also, I think, an explanation of why when I came over here, the America, in 1968, and I saw Hubert Humphrey and Nixon came together.
	Hubert Humphrey, who is Nixon?
	He was the vice president under Johnson.
	Okay.
	And so he was campaigning-After Kennedy?
	To become- So he was running for president.
	Oh, you know.
	Because he eats gumdrops, that guy.
	And so it was really interesting when I listened to the debates and I didn't understand maybe three quarter of it.
	But I had a friend that spoke German and he translated for me.
	And when I heard of what Nixon said, it was so opposite of what I grew up with, which I didn't like, where government was in kind of in charge of everything.
	In Austria.
	In Austria, yeah, exactly.
	And since I was in Germany and in all those countries over there in Europe, socialism was the system that I grew up in.
	So when Nixon spoke, I felt like, wow, get government off your back.
	Get the government off your back.
	Great.
	Wow.
	And lowering the taxes, strong military, strong police force, strong gladiator, strong economy.
	Let the people be free.
	Let them shop all around the world.
	And blah, blah, blah.
	And I said to myself, this is like unbelievable.
	And then when Humphreys spoke, it was like I was back in Austria.
	So then I said to myself, what are the parties here?
	Because I didn't understand really the parties yet.
	Why?
	What was it about Humphreys that made it feel like you were back in Austria?
	Well, I said, government is the solution.
	Oh, I see.
	So he was more like the cage.
	We all know that the government is not the solution.
	I mean, it's like the free enterprise, the economy and all this.
	You got to let people be free and not be controlled by government.
	Government is good, but you have to find kind of the middle ground of all this stuff.
	If you rely solely on the government for your life, then you'll be a part of the government, basically.
	Well, and you become a vegetable.
	Yeah.
	Because they create the safety net, then you don't have the will to really kind of make it on your own.
	So the big advantage of coming to America was that there was no safety net.
	So I was on my own.
	So I had to get really creative.
	Okay, how can I go and go to school and educate myself?
	How can I go and get more English classes?
	How can I go to Santa Monica City College and at the same time work and at the same time train five hours a day and do all of those kind of things?
	So this is, but it was up to me now to be successful, not up to the government.
	Oh, I like that.
	So the government was providing the opportunities in order to see the structure.
	But that is what I enjoyed.
	And so this is why I became kind of like a Nixon Republican.
	And people always were kind of like, you know, especially in California, which is much more liberal.
	You could be a Republican.
	So I really enjoyed it.
	Nixon, of course, came from California.
	Question, Arnold.
	Was it scary to tell your parents that to leave Austria?
	Did people do that at the time?
	I'm just a little bit curious on what it was like to say, I'm leaving here and I'm going to go to America.
	Was it even a popular path for people to go?
	Well, remember, I started saying this when I was 10. Ah, I see.
	So it had been, your parents knew it was in your head.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I saw a documentary, a black and white documentary in a school.
	They showed always those films with this eight millimeters, whatever, films on the little screen.
	And like I said, television was not the common thing at that time in Austria.
	So we didn't grow up with that.
	But they showed this film and I saw a documentary about America.
	Now I see the Empire State Building.
	I say, wait a minute, this building is like, you know, 100 times taller than any of the buildings in Graz, where I grew up, right?
	In Austria.
	And then I saw the Golden Gate Bridge.
	Then I saw the Pacific Coast Highway.
	I saw all of this kind of, you know, great, great things.
	I saw the six-lane highways.
	I saw the big Cadillacs, you know, with the big fins sticking out, you know.
	And I said to myself, and then we had all this little kind of cars and Muscle Beach and all of this stuff that the Hollywood.
	And so I said, I got to go to America.
	I've got to go to America.
	Austria is not the place.
	It was almost kind of like that my gene was over here.
	You know, so it kind of, I gravitated towards America.
	Not that they hated Austria, but I just wanted to leave and go do something different.
	So my parents always saw me as being different.
	So it was not a surprise to them that I wanted to go as soon as I was through with high school and trade school, that I wanted to go into the military.
	So I went into the military because after you go and serve in the military, then you can get your passport and you can travel.
	So you had to go to the military to get your passport in Austria?
	That's right.
	Is it still that way?
	No, I don't think it's different now.
	Everything is different because everything has changed.
	Yeah.
	And you had a brother as well, right?
	Did he go to the military?
	He was in the military.
	Was he older than you or younger?
	He was a year older.
	Oh, cool.
	What's your name?
	So he was a year Meinhard.
	Meinhart.
	Meinhard, yeah, exactly.
	So he was a year earlier, but he passed away, as you know.
	I didn't know.
	Yeah, very young, at the age of 24. Oh, I didn't know that.
	He passed away.
	Yeah, it was like a drummer.
	That's him right there?
	Yeah.
	No, this is Franz Dishinger.
	He was my training partner in Munich.
	So when I went, I went first, so after the army, the Austrian army, I immediately left to go to Munich.
	Because I got an offer, because now at that meantime, I became the European champion in bodybuilding in the junior division.
	Okay, so you went to the military.
	So yeah, so I became this, while I was in the military, I won this title, Best Built Man of Europe, Junior.
	And I was 18 years old.
	So now I get this offer in Munich, the biggest gym, to go and become a trainer.
	So I said to myself, okay, I'm going to serve out my term here, get out of here a year later, and then I go to Munich and I become a trainer there.
	Now then, I can train anytime, 24 hours a day, because I actually lived in the gym.
	So I could get up literally, if I wake up at three in the morning and, you know, I can, let's say, I can fall back to sleep, I go out to the gym.
	How did you live in there?
	Like where?
	They just had a bed in the soda?
	Exactly.
	It was a little room.
	There was from here to there where you sit and a bed and just a little kind of thing with cabinet with drawers.
	I put my stuff in.
	That was it.
	That was it.
	And then I walked out of it.
	It used to be an office there for the gym and I just moved in there because I had no money.
	And you were like, this is what I do all the time anyway.
	This is like.
	Yeah, so I was in heaven.
	Yeah.
	Are you kidding me?
	I mean, I went out there, turned on the lights, and I was posing with the overhead lights.
	I was posing in the mirror all the time.
	At night, I would wake up and I would go out there posing and stuff.
	I was very intense and very passionate about bodybuilding and perfecting my body and going to London to that very same contest that Reg Park won the Mr. Universe.
	And that very same year when I went now to Munich in 1966, I became now Mr. Europe literally two months later.
	And then Best Buildman of Europe.
	And then I went to the Mr. Universe contest at the age of 19. I was the youngest competitor.
	And I came second.
	And where was that held at?
	It was in London.
	Same stage as Reg Parker.
	So you still hadn't made it to the U.S. yet?
	No, no, not yet.
	No, no, no.
	And was your brother also lifting weights?
	Was he a weightlifter?
	No.
	He was not interested in that.
	He was much more, I think, academic, I would say.
	Because he read a lot and he started out.
	He was really good in school.
	I was not that good in school.
	Did you guys get along pretty well?
	Is that him or no?
	That's him.
	Yeah, that's Meinhart.
	Oh, that's a cool.
	What is Meinhart?
	Yeah, Meinhat, yeah.
	I just wonder what it would be like because I have a brother too.
	So I'm just thinking sometimes like it would be, yeah, I just think about my brother a lot.
	So I guess I was just curious what it was like, what your brother was like.
	Well, he was different than me, but we did hang out together.
	He did come to the gym every so often and he worked out with me, but he was not into it.
	He wasn't into it.
	He has naturally, he had a better body than I had, actually.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, he had a really V-shaped body, had wide shoulders, a very, very small waist.
	God, they always give it to the person that doesn't want it.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	But that's, I think, what is interesting about it is that you struggle much more in the beginning and to catch up.
	And then all of a sudden, you know, you see your own potential.
	Yeah.
	You know, because you don't see it in the beginning.
	But then, I mean, I think it was like going to the gym was my first time where I got compliments.
	Because my parents were not into that.
	It was the Austrian kind of upbringing, kind of everything, they correct everything.
	The grades are no good.
	And the soccer, why didn't you kick the ball?
	You were like 10 yards away from the goal.
	You didn't kick it in.
	You tripped over the ball.
	I mean, what a, come on out.
	It was always some kind of a complaint.
	Always trying to correct you.
	Exactly.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	It was always a complaint.
	And then if you made a mistake, you get smacked and stuff like that.
	So it was that kind of upbringing.
	But it was very helpful to me because it actually gave me the motivation to leave Austria.
	And it gave you control.
	I mean, if you're bodybuilding, it's just you against you.
	There's no, you don't have to depend on anybody else.
	I mean, I guess you have to depend on the judges when you go to actually compete.
	But day to day, it is you against your own emotions and mentality and ability.
	Yes, but also at the same time, even though it is a sport that you are on your own, but in the end, you still rely on your training partners.
	I was very fortunate always that I had the mentality of being able to attract the best training partners.
	So I had guys that were as hungry as I was, because that's the important thing.
	If you have someone that is not as hungry, then it doesn't really mean anything.
	If you have someone that competes with you, that counts out the reps, then he wants to do an extra two reps more than you do, and you get up the weight and all this stuff.
	So I always say good training partners.
	So I'm a big believer in that we really can't do anything by ourselves.
	That's why we say, don't call me a self-made man, because I'm a product with a lot, a lot of help, if it is in bodybuilding.
	Or just, I mean, think about Joe Weider.
	After winning two Mr. Universe titles in London, the amateur Mr. Universe, the following year, 1968, the professional Mr. Universe.
	So I was like the youngest Mr. Universe ever.
	And that was the year after you got second?
	That's right.
	1966.
	You were 20 years old.
	I was second.
	1967, I was 20 years old.
	Wow.
	And I want to become the youngest Mr. Universe.
	So now I'm then that stage exactly where Reg Park was and win the Mr. Universe.
	And not only that, but the Reg Park immediately sent me a fax to London.
	They said, I want to invite you to South Africa to give posing exhibitions and do strongmen act down there.
	So I was invited by Reg Park to eventually then be then by the end of the year, I went down to South Africa.
	And you still hadn't gone to the U.S. yet?
	I haven't gone to the U.S. What brought me to the U.S. was, which was kind of my dream, someone would notice me in bodybuilding, that they would take me to a bodybuilding was an American sport.
	Oh, it was.
	It was not a European sport.
	It was an American sport, really.
	And so I obviously hadn't got this invitation from Joe Weider, who was the publisher of the muscle magazines.
	He published like four big muscle magazines, Flex and Strength and Health.
	Oh, yeah, we did get some of them, I think, when I was a kid.
	And he used all of this.
	And he had also an equipment company, the food supplement company.
	Because it's weights, right?
	I've seen the weights before.
	It's weights.
	It's the food supplements.
	And his brother was the head of the organization, the Bodybuilding Federation.
	And this is when you came to the U.S.?
	Yeah, so he brought me over in 1968.
	Okay, before we get there, Arnold, and not to interrupt or anything, but you did a show.
	You went to like one of the first interracial shows that was in South Africa?
	That was later on.
	Oh, that was later on.
	It was 1975.
	Got it.
	Okay, so you're absolutely correct.
	So you get to the U.S. Very good research.
	Do you remember your first up?
	Do you remember your first day in America?
	Oh, yes.
	It was in Miami.
	Oh, yeah.
	I went to Miami and I was competing there in a competition.
	And then after that, I came out to California and I was picked up in California at the airport by a bodybuilding photographer by the name of Adi Zeller and Dick Tyler, who wrote for the Muscle Magazines.
	They picked me up and took me to an apartment that Joe Wheeler rented for me.
	And it was fantastic.
	I mean, from then on, I got all the help in the world now, because that's when I really realized the generosity of the American people.
	I mean, they gave me, I mean, the bodybuilders, there was Thanksgiving came up after that because I came over here in October, November was Thanksgiving.
	So there was like this whole thing about, you know, giving me pillows and giving me blankets and giving me dishes and silverware.
	Where were you?
	Homeless or something?
	But it's again.
	Why were they giving you all that?
	Because you know, when you move into an apartment, what do you get?
	I mean, it was a furnished apartment.
	And you were living in LA at that point?
	Yeah, yeah, it was in the valley, over there in the valley.
	And then all these bodybuilders came to me and they brought me all this stuff.
	It was like unbelievable.
	So I could not even believe how generous they were.
	And this were a lot of times people that didn't know me at all.
	But just because bodybuilding and joining a club, you know, you become kind of part of that family.
	And so they were very, very sweet and kind.
	And I would never forget that.
	That's actually what made me then think about, well, when I ever make it, I will give that back.
	I will help other people myself, you know.
	What's it like finding a gym that really fits you?
	Like, what's that like at that level of bodybuilding?
	Were there a couple gyms you tried out and you're like, this isn't it?
	Or did you already know where you wanted to be?
	I came over here.
	There was a gym called Vince's Gym that had all the champions training.
	Where was that located?
	It was over in the valley in Vendura Boulevard and North Hollywood.
	And a very, very famous gym.
	This is where Larry Scott, Mr. Olympia, trained, and Don Howard, who was Mr. America, and Don Peterson, all those guys were training there.
	And then I ventured over here every so often for powerlifting.
	There was a gym called Gold's Gym.
	Not many bodybuilders trained there, some, but I mean, not many.
	Most of them were like shot putters and powerlifters and weightlifters and so on.
	And it was a much more rough gym.
	But somehow, because of the Austrian gym where I kind of started the first three years in this weightlifting club, it reminded me of that.
	So I started getting more and more attracted to that gym.
	And then I moved from the valley over here.
	To Venice.
	To Venice.
	And it was still part of Santa Monica, actually.
	It was, you know, Ashland, one of the streets not far away from here.
	And then I went daily training there.
	And then Gorge Gym, then other bodybuilders came from all over the country to train there too.
	Because you were there?
	Well, I was there.
	And Joe Weida now started writing in his magazines about Arnold is training in Gold's Gym.
	And, you know, if you want to go and train in a great place, this is the place to go.
	Was it hard for you to train?
	I mean, were people at that point just standing around watching you train?
	No, because there was a lot of, you know, I mean, this place was filled with great bodybuilders.
	Oh, I see.
	Oh, yeah.
	So then others came out here from Florida and from Kentucky and from New York, and they all started joining Goach Gym and started training there.
	So this was kind of like the place that had the best bodybuilders in the world training in Goach Gym.
	That's how Goach Gym became famous.
	You know, because it was a little gym.
	It was not big.
	It was 3,000 square feet, I think it was.
	Well, I remember when I first moved to Los Angeles, we went to Firehouse.
	I don't know if it's still there or not.
	Yeah, Firehouse.
	Was that the place?
	It was a big protein place.
	It was like a, was that made?
	I think it was.
	Well, Firehouse now is a restaurant down there.
	It used to be like a place where you could get literally like a bowl of chicken.
	Yeah, yeah, you still can get great scrambled eggs.
	You get like 30 eggs or whatever.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's crazy.
	It was like, yeah, I remember I ate, I ordered like a month's worth of food right there just for what?
	Just at lunch.
	Yeah, it took me like five hours to get out of there just because I didn't want to like.
	Yeah, I was never a big eater.
	So to me, that meant nothing.
	If I had a little steak and some two scrambled eggs, I was perfectly fine.
	I was full.
	For the day?
	Not for the day, no, but let's say in the morning, steak and eggs or scrambled eggs or something like this.
	I always had to take protein drinks in between meals because I could never eat enough to get my 250 grams of protein because I weighed 250 pounds.
	And the idea then was that for every kind of pound of body weight you have, you should have one gram of protein.
	Yeah.
	Because I used to buy, I don't know if I used to bodybuild, I used to use steroids when I was like growing up and just lift weights a lot.
	I loved it for years, you know?
	And I think whenever I get like, you know, whenever I quit working as much, I'll probably try to get back more weightlifting.
	Was steroids pretty popular then or what was it like?
	Was that part of the, because I'm sure it was part of the culture?
	Well, no, it was not yet, but it was something that was in the beginning very experimental.
	So would you hear it, like, would it be like on the black market or it was this like public?
	It was just like people would talk about it like as a supplement?
	It might be in some places was on the black market.
	I don't know.
	But all I know is that we always went to a doctor because they want to make sure that they measure your blood pressure and they check your health and all of that stuff because it has side effects.
	Oh, yeah.
	And especially if you take it beyond of what they recommend.
	So if they recommend, let's say, one shot a week and you start taking one shot a day or something, which is, of course, the case a lot of today that people are overdosing.
	And that's why you see some bodybuilders actually die because of the overdose of drugs and all this stuff.
	Did you see friends go down that road or people, other bodybuilders go down that road where they would get addicted to it?
	Not in my days.
	It was a new, but now it's, I think, really somewhat, I would say, out of control.
	Yeah.
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	Whenever you start, like you've had such an interesting life and career, you've gotten to do so many things.
	What do you think?
	Was there a time period in your life that you wish you had maybe done like a little bit different?
	You know, no.
	There's no move that I ever made career-wise.
	I thought that I had a real good nose when to make my moves forward and when I should retire from bodybuilding, when I felt like, okay, I don't have the joy anymore.
	After five Mr. Universe competitions that I won, Mr. World and Mr. Olympia six times, I retired in 1975 after that competition in South Africa that you mentioned just earlier.
	So that was kind of the last competition.
	I did come back in 1980 again for the Mr. Olympia, but that was really just an afterthought.
	But I mean, really, I retired in 1975.
	After the South African show?
	After the South African show.
	tell me a little bit about that?
	Because I bet it was really interesting.
	South Africa is probably my favorite country.
	I mean, it is beautiful.
	It is a gorgeous country.
	And of course, at that time, blacks and whites and everyone was separated.
	I mean, by separated, meaning they had different rights.
	You know, the whites were the ones that ruled the country.
	The blacks were kind of kept down.
	Was Desmond Tutu down there at the time?
	Do you know if he was speaking?
	Yes, of course he was.
	But I mean, the whites really were kind of in control.
	They were kind of the leaders of the country.
	Exactly.
	The Dutch and the British.
	It was always a fight between those two in the parliament and all that.
	And so then I got to meet and to know the minister of immigration, and he was also minister of sports and minister of labor and blah, blah, blah.
	So he was a very, very powerful guy in administration.
	And he, when I met him, he said to me, Arnold, when you come over here to South Africa and you do posing exhibitions and strongmen acts, you should also go to the townships.
	To the townships?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I said, the townships.
	Like the Sowetos?
	Yeah.
	So, of course, I did not know.
	So he then explained it to me.
	And then he would organize with the Reg Park together for me to go in because it was not what we call the safest place in town.
	Not that they wanted to do harm to you, but I mean, for someone like me to come in there and do a demonstration there, I mean, everyone could lit.
	I mean, they were drunk, they were celebrating that someone would come in and give them their respect and do something special for them.
	So very appreciative, right?
	So I would go in there and I was in the cage.
	Into the Sowetos?
	Is that what it's called?
	Can you ring it up for me, Nick?
	Yeah, the townships.
	They're all over the place.
	In every town in South Africa, there is townships like that, places where the blacks would live, right?
	And they're very, very kind of flow.
	They're called the Sowetos.
	That's one of them.
	Yeah, Sowetos.
	Yeah, I think so.
	So in any case, so I would go in there and do a demonstration and do my posing and lift weights and all of this kind of stuff.
	In these small towns.
	And there was like, you know, thousands of them surrounding and then just screaming loud and having the greatest time.
	And then we would go out.
	Oh, they would put you on the grill.
	I'm surprised.
	I bet they were so hungry sometimes.
	They would be like, look at this well.
	It was fantastic, the reception and everything.
	But the reason I mentioned that is because it led to the conversation with that minister of sports.
	And he said to me, he says, we should have an international competition here in South Africa.
	He says, we should work together on that.
	And I said, okay, we will.
	And his name was Dr. Kornhoff.
	At one point, Dr. Kornhoff.
	And he was an extraordinary man, very, very smart.
	But it just shows you that there was people like him that already wanted to do more for the blacks and to elevate them.
	Yeah, creative.
	So he then, I set him up with Ben Weeder, with Joe Weider's brother, who was the head of International Federation of Partybuilding.
	They got together and they hit it off really well.
	And so Joe Weider and Ben Weeder worked with him to bring the Mr. Olympia contest to South Africa, to Pretoria, to the capital of South Africa.
	But the conditions were that they were able to have a mixed audience.
	Okay, so black and white audience.
	Have they done that ever?
	Never.
	Wow.
	So there was the first time there was black with blacks, but there was not just black and white in South Africa.
	There was a group that was called blacks.
	There was a group that was called colored.
	There was a group that was called Indians.
	There was a group that was white.
	I mean, there was like five different Asians.
	So everyone was different.
	So everyone was kind of like, it was not considered we are all equal there, right?
	And so what Ben negotiated was that we have a mixed audience that anyone, no matter what their nationality and what their kind of color is or religious beliefs, anyone should be able to come to this competition.
	And also not only that, but to be a judge, we will have also half black and half white judges and blah, blah, blah.
	So was that scary to go before a black judge?
	Did you think that they would judge you fairly?
	I would be.
	No, not at all, because they were not.
	I mean, I was competing in America at that time.
	You were used to it.
	And I was used to it.
	There was Leary Colbert, who was the first guy with 21, 22-inch arms, big, big bodybuilder from the 50s and 60s.
	And he was a judge in New York several times.
	And he was a totally honest judge.
	There was other black judges that, so there was, that's the great thing about bodybuilding.
	In bodybuilding, there was no prejudice.
	You know, there were some people in bodybuilding that were prejudiced.
	But in general, especially under the weeders, the weeders, I think because they were Jewish, I think it had something to do with the fact that they were that kind of open-minded about it.
	Oh, yeah, a lot of times.
	They're like the leaders in promoting diversity.
	That's right.
	So there was no prejudice.
	There was no prejudice there at all.
	And as a matter of fact, there was a guy by the name of Bob Hoffman.
	He always made sure that when they had the AAU had their Mr. America competition, only whites could win.
	No black could win there.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, so it was really embarrassing.
	So there were some barriers within the- And it was totally unfair.
	Or Harold Poole got beaten in 1963 by Bern Weaver, which I thought was unfair.
	So there was this.
	So what they did then was, because there was now two federations.
	There was the IFPB, there was the AAU and NAPA.
	AAU?
	AAU, exactly.
	The American Athletic Union.
	So they then went from that federation over to the IFPB, and there Sergio Lever won immediately.
	Got it.
	He became Mr. America, he became Mr. World, then Mr. Universe, then Mr. Olympia, and he actually, in the first Mr. Olympia competition, Sergio Lever beat me in 1969 fairly.
	I mean, there was no complaints there at all because he was extraordinary, right?
	And so then in 1970, I came back and I beat him in a Mr. World competition in Columbus, Ohio.
	And then two weeks later, in a Mr. Olympia in New York.
	So we were big rivals.
	And I was, of course, a big admirer of his and a big idol.
	And he treated me really well.
	We went to Chicago and trained together at the Duncan YMCA and all that stuff.
	I wanted to learn from him.
	I love the YMCA, don't you?
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's great.
	I've always been a fan of the YMCA.
	It's just kind of like they're always a little bit met, like, it's never perfect there, but everything's kind of like a little bit old enough where I like the equipment.
	You know, it's never too fancy.
	Yeah, but you can get the job done.
	But to me, it's not about the luxury.
	It's just much more about the will to succeed.
	And when I see pictures online of bodybuilders that are training in the sand in Africa right now, blacks that are having cement weights on a bar and a cheap bench.
	And when they do their bench press, and the other day I saw one of those kind of videos and they get up from the bench, I'm looking at it and this guy could win Mr. America or win Mr. California or something like that.
	He looks extraordinary.
	So it's really not the technology so much.
	It helps you, but I mean, in the end, it is really what you have to work on.
	It's the will.
	The will was the best.
	There's nothing better than just having like a little weight bench outside in your backyard or something.
	And you can go out there or in your garage.
	I did my deadlifts right in front of the house in Graz, in Tarl, which now is a museum at the house where I grew up in.
	Your home is a museum where you grew up?
	The home, exactly, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm going to go over there in two weeks.
	Our pump club is meeting there with the European bodybuilders, members from the pump club.
	And then there's some Americans that are also coming over there.
	That audience in South Africa, what was, did it have the feeling during the show of like, this is like a novel thing?
	This is like a, like, was there that energy in the, in the, in the audience?
	There was so much energy in that auditorium.
	And it was not a big auditorium.
	It maybe held, I would say, 1,500 people, I would guess.
	And it was, the energy was fantastic.
	The joy of being together was fantastic.
	And I really think that had a tremendous impact also on the future of South Africa.
	And it was just wonderful that there were leaders there that believed in that and wanted to organize.
	And everyone, the police and everyone was really cooperative.
	Everyone worked together.
	So it was a fantastic show and a fantastic competition.
	And of course I won.
	So it's always a fantastic competition when he wins your sixth Mr. Olympia.
	But what was interesting about it was I got $1,000 cash prize.
	And I was really upset about that because I felt like, well, wait a minute.
	In 1965, 10 years ago, Sergio, Larry Scott, when he won Mr. Olympia, got $1,000.
	And now 10 years later, we still get $1,000.
	So that's what made me actually motivated to go then in front of the IFPB, the International Bodybuilding Congress, and to ask them for permission to organize the next year's Mr. Olympia in Columbus, Ohio.
	And that's exactly what we did.
	I got the permission, and then we upped the cash press to $5,000, then to $10,000, to $20,000, and we doubled it every year.
	And now we're giving over a million dollars away for cash presses for the Arnold Classic.
	What's like one of the things right before you go on, because I'm guessing you're backstage, right?
	You wait to go on and they call your name out and then you go out and do your poses.
	Is that how it goes?
	Well, in those days, the way it worked was the whole lineup of all the competitors.
	Now, if them understand, Mr. Olympia means that you have to have won a world championship title before.
	So Mr. World, Mr. International, or Mr. Universe.
	So those guys are the top guys.
	So you have like six or seven guys that are on the stage.
	And so the judges, they ask you the order come out.
	You have a certain time at one o'clock, be ready for pre-judging.
	And then you come out and then you stand there.
	And then the judges will shuffle you around and say, okay, can number seven go over where number one is and number one goes over where number seven was.
	You know, they just see them next to each other, different people next to each other.
	Then they say, turn around, turn sideways.
	What's the scariest way to be turned?
	Like, was there ever a part where you're like, this is, I got to kind of cheat this angle a little bit?
	No, I mean, for me, it was basically always a tremendous joy to be up on stage because it's one of those things where you feel like when you're really ready, I always felt kind of like in most cases that I was so ready that no matter what angle it was, I was ready to go.
	And I had always a smile on my face and I flexed everything.
	And, you know, the key thing is that you have practiced your posing enough that you can stand there in a flexible seat.
	It looks relaxed.
	You stand there like this, but you still flex.
	And you keep the stomach in and you keep the abs flex and the calf flex and the bison and the drives are flex.
	So that was the idea.
	And I was always having great joy with that.
	So it's acting too.
	It's kind of some acting up there.
	It is one of the great forms of acting.
	Why?
	Because you cannot go and say to the judge, look at me.
	I am the most perfect up here.
	Look at my abs.
	No, you have to do all that without talking.
	You have to communicate with them and also with the audience.
	Because remember that the sound of the audience is very important because you want to get big applause.
	So the judge says, oh, this guy got the most applause.
	I mean, he definitely has the best body.
	But then you wait for the individual posing.
	So then you come out one after the next.
	You do your three-minute posing routine.
	And what's the tricks there?
	Is there any trick of the trade, a last-minute thing you used?
	You would like pinch your tits or just rub some just like molasses into your limbs?
	what was like a last-minute thing people would do?
	Put ice under your arms or something?
	No, I think the key thing is just that when you go there, that you're so ready that you don't shake.
	How many bodybuilders, I'm sure you've seen it, they hit a shot and then after a few seconds, they start shaking.
	Oh, so that's bad.
	Well, for that level, I mean, it's natural when you have a Mr. Venice Beach competition, Mr. Musclebee.
	Mr. Montgomery, Alabama, yeah.
	You know, beginners, of course, they make mistakes and they're not as well trained.
	But when you get to the Mr. Olympia level, it's unacceptable.
	Oh, so you want to make it look so that you hit the middle.
	When you hit the shot and you smile.
	You look at the judges and you smile.
	And then you smoothly move into the next shot.
	Pa!
	You know, and then hands, just the movement.
	It has to be all very gracefully and no shaking.
	So that again, that you say to the judges, look, I am so ready for this.
	Unlike maybe the others.
	So that's what it is.
	So it's all about the seven Ps.
	You know, the seven P's.
	Proper, prior planning prevents pissed, poor performance.
	And the Marines, they have that.
	Proper prior planning prevents pissed poor performance, exactly.
	So that's what it's about.
	It's the same there.
	You come prepared.
	You make sure that you worked.
	Everyone has weak points.
	So you have to make sure that you worked as much on your weak points so that the judges see that you're not blind.
	That you notice that last year you maybe had not so defined legs.
	Yes, maybe you won, but the legs were so-so.
	And then the next time when you come back, you have to have ripped legs.
	Right.
	Right?
	So then the judge says, that guy got the message.
	So this is what it's all about, because in the end, you really are an artist.
	You're a sculptor.
	You're not just the athlete that's competing, but you're the sculptor.
	But you're sculptor.
	You're putting on your own body.
	Instead of a chisel and a hammer that you kind of sculpt, a physique, you do it now with machines and with the reps and with the different exercises where you say, I need a little bit more of the rear deltoids.
	I need a little bit more separation in the front between the deltoid and the pectoral muscle.
	I need a little bit more cut on the lower abs.
	I need the calves have to be balanced.
	They're going not big enough for the arms because it should be the same size as your arms are.
	And all of those kind of things.
	So you've become kind of like an artist in your own body.
	That's what the idea is.
	Do you ever like have to work out the top of your feet or your hand?
	Were there things you could do for your face even and stuff like that?
	No, no.
	I mean, there are people that pay attention to that.
	I didn't.
	To me, it's always about the bottom line.
	So, but what is it that we're doing here?
	What we're doing here is we are showing the most perfect physique and who is the best in actually displaying that physique.
	Because it's all about, you know, presentation, presentation, presentation.
	It's like a piece of art.
	You know, you can have a painting that is maybe amongst many other paintings and you wouldn't even notice it's a Picasso.
	But then when you put it up there on a white wall and in a beautiful gold frame with a special lighting and then you have someone talk about it, now you can auction something off for a lot of money.
	So it's all about presentation.
	And so this is why I think the same is also in bodybuilding, the way you present your body, the way you present your muscles.
	And did at that point, I mean, I can see now how even like lobbying for certain things to be changing in like in the prize money, right?
	I can almost see where your direction comes to even end up in politics, right?
	You can start to see it like, well, this should be more.
	There should be some adjustments.
	You weren't just like a competitor.
	You were also somebody who was examining how things were run and how they could be better, especially when you were partnering with guys like Ben Wider and stuff like that and probably inspired by those guys to probably get this larger vision of things that were going on.
	Did you, when you got into film, so at that point, you know how to act, you know how to impress the front row, you know how to use probably every element of your body to impress people.
	So that kind of just leads kind of perfectly into acting.
	Yeah, but remember that what is key on all of this stuff is also personality.
	And I don't know if you can train a personality or not.
	I mean, I don't know what you think about that.
	But I mean, I think some people just don't have the greatest personality.
	Yeah, some people don't have a lot of people.
	And some people have a great personality.
	Yeah.
	You know, and so I think that I developed over the years, not that someone taught me that, but I developed a personality because my joy for whatever I did came through.
	So when people talk to me about bodybuilding in those days, I was not shy of the press.
	Other bodybuilders for decades didn't talk to the press.
	So when I came over here, people thought that when they saw my body, they thought it was a football player or it was a wrestler or something like that.
	But the last thing they guessed was a bodybuilder.
	So they didn't know about bodybuilding.
	So I, in 1974, I hired, I was the first bodybuilder to hire a publicist.
	And so we went and did talk shows, the Johnny Carson show, Murph Griffin show, Mike Douglas show, and all of those shows.
	And were there football teams that tried to get you to come and play for them?
	Did you ever get an offer?
	No, because, I mean, I think I made it very clear in my interviews that my vision is to be the greatest bodybuilder of all times and to go then into acting.
	So even when people came to me, because I was always very good in business, I studied business, I got my degree in business while I was over here doing the training for bodybuilding.
	At SMC?
	Did you go to SMC?
	I went to Santa Monica City College, the UCLA, and to, you know, got my degree in business, and it was like in business administration.
	And I was just naturally always gifted for making deals and being creative.
	Got it.
	You know, and I always understood how it works.
	And so in bodybuilding, for instance, it's one thing to say, okay, I'm going to up the cash price to $20,000.
	Let's say from like within a three-year period, we give away $20,000 on the beginning.
	But then you have to say, okay, where do we get this money from?
	Ah, sponsors.
	So now I have to go out and hustle the sponsors.
	And so now, of course, we have the biggest bodybuilding and fitness convention in Columbus, Ohio in the world.
	We have 200,000 people coming through there in three days.
	We have every company displaying their products there, their machines, their food supplements, clothing.
	The Arnold Classic.
	Arnold Classic.
	It's always the first week in March.
	And it's three days, the whole thing.
	So now, like I said, now we raise enough money where we can give away over a million dollars.
	As a matter of fact, this coming year, we're going to go in up to a million and a half dollars.
	So it's like, so it's all kinds of great things happening.
	But I was able to build it to that because I have a business mind.
	Right.
	And I know exactly how that works and how do we attract everyone and bring everyone together.
	Were there women all weightlifting at that time or no?
	The first Mr. Olympia competition, Miss Olympia competition was a guy by the name of Schneider from, he was back east, from the Philadelphia area.
	And we did that together.
	Oh, you guys started it?
	Yeah, well, yes, because the women were all kind of complaining, why can't we compete?
	So we did a little show and we called it Miss Olympia.
	And because the International Federation of Bodybuilding at that point had no interest in women bodybuilding.
	Why was that, do you think?
	Was it just their view of women at the time?
	No, at the time, he was stuck in, we created this Federation for the Guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a boys club.
	Why are we getting...
	Why?
	Not because it was against women.
	No, we love women coming in there.
	But he figured, I don't have the room for another bathroom here.
	I have 3,000 square feet.
	I have only for the man, the shower, and the bathroom.
	Some of those girls are pissed standing up.
	I'll tell you.
	Yeah, but I mean, we had women coming in and the watchers work out, but they couldn't train there until they got in a bigger space and then women were included in the whole thing.
	And so the Federation was a little bit reluctant to do that.
	And when we did the Miss Olympia, and all of the girls really enjoyed that, that they were able to go on stage and to also compete with the muscles and all that stuff, the Federation then woke up and they said, okay, we're going to get involved in that and we're going to go get them.
	And since then, it has been booming, you know, and they've been doing not only bodybuilding competitions, but fitness competitions and beauty competitions.
	Does Arnold Classic have a women's revision?
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	Oh, that's great.
	I didn't know that.
	Sorry.
	Oh, wow.
	Look at these chocolate babies right here, huh?
	Yeah, everybody kind of gets chocolatier, huh?
	Tanned.
	Now you have this tanning stuff.
	Was it real tanning back then or was it?
	No.
	What was the key to the best tan?
	The best tan?
	We got the best tan that we could get.
	So I would work out a lot of times outside in the weight lifting platform in Venice.
	Oh, yeah, I love that.
	So you get kind of tanned all over the place.
	They're doing chin-ups and doing bench presses and incline and dips and all this stuff.
	Then we would jump in the ocean again, come back and work out some more and all this.
	But on the end, we then added to that tan, Tan in a Minute by Helena Rubenstein.
	So I don't even know if this exists anymore.
	Bring it up Tan in a Minute, huh?
	60-second sousé, they call it.
	That was in those days, it was the big trick.
	So you put it on with a sponge.
	You know, you just poured it out on a little plate.
	You put it on with a sponge, and you hit a buddy of yours that did your back and stuff again, the back of the thighs, and all of that stuff.
	So this is what he did.
	That's why a lot of guys, the day they spray it on, they have actual experts come to the bodybuilding show and backstage.
	There's a people that manufacture the staining stuff and they would then help bodybuilders and spray it on and all of that.
	So it is much more professional today.
	But at the time, so you would, they would put that tan in a can, basically.
	Yeah, they would put it in a bottle.
	It was in a bottle.
	And when you'd have a friend do your back, would anybody ever sabotage somebody and not do their back really good?
	No, but I mean, there were some people that were really stupid and then did not know how to put it on.
	It would show kind of like streaks of the, because they didn't have to.
	Yeah, a little mulatto around the wrist.
	So we put on just a light kind of layer.
	It was all about just a little subtle thing because it's not going to make you win.
	It just makes you, the photos look a little bit better when you have a little bit of color.
	And what was it called if somebody went too dark?
	Would you just call them a little chocolate bunny or something?
	What do you do?
	It was up to the individual.
	As a matter of fact, I tell you that you can see in our Arnold Classic, a lot of times when the guys turn around, you sometimes don't even know who is black and who is not.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because they're so dark now, the tanning has gotten so sophisticated and so bright.
	When he turns around, you will think it's a black guy standing.
	For sure.
	And a nutmeg fella, yeah.
	That is just a little molasses, baby.
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	Okay, Dad.
	Showtime.
	Now I'm very protective of my team.
	Witness protection was our only choice, but all of us living under one roof can get awkward.
	Nope.
	Oh my god.
	Dead Johnny.
	Dead Johnny.
	Hello, Luke.
	Credo.
	Ready, Nelson?
	Your eyes are wide and the fan blazes.
	But it wants you.
	Cool, Dad.
	Your terrorist friend is amazing.
	Who the hell is that?
	Theodore Chips, former MI6 agent.
	He works for me.
	Together, we'll destroy the world.
	You go to sleep.
	Change his hands and scratch in the game.
	But I do dance with me.
	You spying on you.
	Us spying on you.
	Well, Emma's pregnant.
	That got your tongue?
	To dance with Blue Blue I hope not.
	I may need it in the future.
	Sex.
	She means sex.
	Boy.
	World War III is about to jump off.
	Get out of there!
	Ready?
	No!
	No!
	Oh!
	Oh my God!
	Hold on, old man!
	No!
	Boom!
	I told you.
	I'm back.
	I want to talk about your new show.
	You do have some stuff just so we make sure we talk about it, man.
	Fubar, I watched your first episode.
	So I guess it's not out yet, right?
	No.
	And it's season two.
	It's kind of great because it brings me through all this like nostalgia of watching you over the years, right?
	Like, I feel like it's a little bit of all the, like to me, this is perception.
	It could be judgment, but a little bit of like all your roles into one.
	Did it feel like that a little bit when you're shooting it or?
	Well, the idea of the show is, of course, when you act out, then you find those moments where you can play all of the different roles.
	But the idea of the show is just to do like what we did with True Lies, what Jim Cameron did with True Lies, right?
	So it was like, how do we go and do a show where you pack it with action and also with comedy, with humor, and also with kind of soap opera, where it's relationships, interesting relationships and so on.
	And so I think that the writers did a really good job because just like in True Lies, I'm the number one spy in this show.
	But when I come home, so I kick ass out there, I take care of the job all the time, wipe out the enemy, all the terrorists.
	But when I come home, I have to deal with the everyday crap, right?
	Like we all do, right?
	You have to worry about the kids.
	The wife is mad at you because you were gone for a week again and you couldn't really explain.
	You always, I always, because my wife does not know that I'm a spy.
	So you always have to lie and have to have this equipment company and there's a health convention there.
	They have to go to this convention.
	Then I come home and have to make up stories.
	I said, the sales guys are really interesting.
	I said, I tried to sell my equipment there.
	And over there, talked about his life cycles all of a sudden.
	I said, I was so upset about this whole thing.
	And so, you know, you just make up all these stories, which is, but I'm getting, you know, there's a divorce there, then, you know, then my daughter of a sudden is in the CIA and then she's also a spy and all of this stuff.
	So there's all these conflicts that are going on.
	And it makes it a really interesting show then to watch because it's relationships, it's action, it's funny and all that.
	And so last show did very well.
	The last series, now they did the second season.
	And so now we see how that is doing.
	Yeah, I think there's like a level of also nostalgia just getting to see you still operate in these roles, you know, like you've just, you've continued to keep your, I mean, you're, you know, you've just continued to want to work.
	Because you don't have to work anymore.
	Well, let me tell you something.
	I love to work.
	Why?
	Because it makes you active.
	And I just think the most important thing is as we get older, you don't have to worry about any of that right now.
	But I mean, eventually you will.
	When you get older, you just have a tendency of sitting around.
	You have a tendency of not moving as much.
	And so it forces you.
	So when you do a movie, you have to get up at six in the morning.
	You have to get to the set.
	You have to go and prep.
	You have to go and practice the action and all that stuff and the fight scenes.
	You have to do the rehearsals of the scenes.
	And you work until night.
	Then you go home and you fall a bit tired.
	And then you get up again in the morning.
	So, and remember, the most important thing for your brain is to go and practice and to kind of do challenging things with your brain so you don't get Alzheimer's and other kind of diseases like that.
	So it makes you memorize lines, long scenes, and especially in TV, you do like six to eight or ten pages a day.
	Oh, it's keeping your brain.
	And then I play chess on the side while I'm waiting for the scenes and all this.
	Just keep always going.
	So to me, the important thing is because I feel like if you rest, you rust.
	And so it's all about movement.
	It's all about keep moving and keep moving and keep challenging yourself.
	Because as soon as we retire, you know, things go south.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's just something that happens.
	Especially Alzheimer's.
	I mean, especially it's Alzheimer's.
	Schwarzenegger Alzheimer's.
	They almost seem like they would be neighbors.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, no judgment or anything, but it almost seems like that would be the one that could look for you because of just your same letters, some of the same letters, even.
	I have enough with my heart problems.
	So, I mean, I don't have to worry about the heart.
	No, you had a heart problem.
	Another problem for forever.
	You know, for the last 25 years, I had heart open heart surgery, you know, three times and all that kind of stuff and valve replacements and all that stuff.
	It's a congenital thing for my mother.
	She had it from her mother and all that stuff.
	And so I have to deal with that all the time.
	But everything is good because I train every day and I exercise and I watch what I eat.
	I watch the food and then I eat it.
	Did you ever have a stroke and you just kind of, you're like, I've kind of had that before.
	I can get through the rest of the day.
	No.
	None of that.
	You know what I'm talking about, though?
	Yeah.
	Like, did you ever have like, because sometimes you'll get a pain or something and you're like, I think I'm okay.
	Did you ever have like, I'm assuming if you had a lifetime of like having heart issues that you would start to be like, ah, that's not the same thing.
	No, it was never, it was, I always was kind of in front of the situation.
	So that means that I remember when I took my mother to the hospital here when she was here visiting, she always had an episode and I took her to UCLA.
	That's when we found out that she had a valve problem.
	And the doctor then said to me, he says, make sure that you also check yourself.
	He says, because this is something that's a genetic thing.
	So it's almost like a gift that she got to be here and you got to go through that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I, from that point on, always went to the doctor.
	And the doctor said to me, he says, well, you have, you know, at one point, he said, you have a problem with your valve, with your aortic valve.
	And you don't have to do anything now.
	He says, but as soon as we see it going down, we want to catch it before it goes down because otherwise it affects the aorta itself and blah, blah, blah.
	And all of that.
	So the bottom line is I stayed on top of it.
	So when I got my surgery, open heart surgery, I went in there because I made an appointment.
	So there was no episode.
	There was no stroke.
	There was no heart attack or anything.
	Never had any of those kind of things.
	So I always was ahead of the game.
	Was it scary when they put you under?
	Like, were you kind of scared?
	Did you make sure it was the best guy doing it, Arnold?
	Because you got to have a bad idea.
	Of course, it's important.
	Did you look him in the eyes and take him off the side and say, hey, let's make sure we do it good?
	No, I didn't have to do that.
	No, I thank you.
	I would do that for sure.
	I knew this guy's history at Dr. Starn's was his name.
	They did the first two surgeries.
	And he was like the top of the top.
	So there was no dozens about it.
	You've had a very blessed and interesting life, right?
	It's been, you know, and you've had it, so you know.
	At what point, you're probably, I would say, I think it's fair to say you're probably in the second half of your life.
	At what point do you like, does kind of like goals turn into like legacy if in your mind at all, if it does?
	And I don't mean that to be an uncomfortable question.
	I'm just like, does your brain start to adjust where like, these are my goals?
	And then like, okay, this is a legacy that I want to leave.
	Does that make any sense or no?
	Well, I think it is always important to think about, you know, the idea of that we should leave the world a better place than we inherited it.
	And so my whole life was always about, okay, how can I make this a better world of the knowledge that I have?
	So for instance, in fitness, in bodybuilding, I went around the world to promote the idea of weightlifting and weight training and resistance training and made it then popular, right?
	Because we had to figure out a way of penetrating through the general public that thought that bodybuilding is just, you know, flexing your muscles on stage.
	But they didn't realize that bodybuilding is something that you just get a healthy and stronger body for whatever you do.
	You maybe need it for tennis, you maybe need it for your bicycling, you maybe need it for your whatever sport, you know, like UFC fighters I work in.
	Oh, the first time I heard of fitness was through you.
	It was through you.
	But I mean, that was the idea is I wanted to not just lift myself up, but I wanted to lift the rest of the bodybuilding movement up.
	And so it was always something, so now, of course, 50 years later, there's a gymnasium in every hotel in the world.
	There is a gymnasium or weight room in every kind of a military installation or base.
	There's those guys we saw there doing those curls with the cement.
	There's everything.
	Exactly.
	So people are lifting weights everywhere.
	Every high school, every college, every sports team, everyone has weight rooms.
	So this is where we are now.
	So this is why I felt really proud of that, that we were able, with the help of Jane Farter and other kind of characters that were helping women with the fitness movement.
	And so we really elevated the fitness sport to something really, also a huge economic contribution that it made.
	So to me, that's important.
	When I became governor, I wanted to make sure that we have healthcare for everybody.
	I want to make sure that we have a clean environment, that we fight pollution and to pass laws to reduce the pollution in California by 25% and all that.
	So I continued on creating an environmental organization and to have our world summit in Vienna every year where all the environmentalists come together and talk about how do we go and fight pollution and all that stuff.
	So we have one coming up in 14 days now again.
	And so it's always after school programs, for instance, when I realized that our kids, that, you know, 70% of the kids come from a home where both of the parents are working.
	So there's no way they're picking them up after 3 o'clock from the school.
	So there's kids standing around after school and not doing anything.
	So then I found out, well, this is the danger zone for kids between 3 and 6 o'clock because there's no supervision.
	So they get involved with drugs, with gangs, with violence, with alcohol, teenage pregnancy.
	I said, this costs the community a lot of money.
	Let's do something about it.
	Everyone was complaining about it, but they were not doing anything about it.
	So I stepped out and I started the after-school programs.
	And it has been a huge hit we have raised over the last 30 years.
	Are they still open before you started?
	Billion dollars we raised.
	Oh, really?
	How many do you?
	We went all over the country.
	We have been to millions and millions of kids.
	We have helped with after-school programs with great success rates and all of that stuff.
	So to me, it's all about how can I make this a better world.
	I see what you're saying.
	So you feel like a lot of your legacy has kind of been lived along the way.
	Exactly.
	It's not like this should be my legacy.
	I don't think that way, but I think about I want to improve the world, especially now.
	But I mean, think about it.
	I'm an immigrant.
	I'm an immigrant that came over here and got every opportunity in the world because of America.
	America gave me everything.
	They gave me the money that I've made, the career in bodybuilding, the career in acting, the wonderful family.
	All of that stuff is because of America.
	So to me, it's a natural thing that they give something back to America.
	But you're one of the most act immigrants, too, that we've ever had, probably, I think, for sure.
	I hope so.
	Yeah, you do.
	And you're competitive about it.
	I love that, you know, I can feel how competitive you are.
	And that's great.
	You have to be competitive because also America is a platform for if you are competitive and if you choose to apply yourself, that you can reach some of your dreams and goals and aspirations.
	Do you think that it's still possible?
	Like you've had this, you've gotten to live in America for a while now and have a good breadth of understanding here.
	You've gotten to work in politics.
	Do you think it's the American dream is still possible?
	Or do you think there's things happening these days that are where we're not helping that along?
	Well, I can tell you, I didn't study this issue, right?
	I couldn't really give you facts and figures.
	But what I can tell you is, no matter where I go in the world today, people come up to me and say, Arnold, can you please help me get to America?
	So that never has changed.
	It doesn't matter to immigrants.
	People that want to come here, they don't know what the political situation is.
	They don't care if the Democrat is in power or Republican is in power, what the Senate says, what the Congress says, what the governor says, nothing.
	They just want to come over here.
	They want to get a shot.
	So this is what it is.
	And you have to do it the legal way.
	So that is the key thing to me.
	You have to do it the legal way.
	So anyway, the bottom line is I think the opportunities are there.
	When I go down to Gorge Gym, I see this guy from Africa that was competing in my bodybuilding shows in the Arnold Classic and came, was in one of the top three and all that.
	Then he became a personal trainer.
	He's charging $200 an hour.
	He's driving up one day with his blue Bentley.
	The next day he's driving up with his red Ferrari.
	And I mean, this is a guy from Africa that came over here with nothing.
	So this is a young kid.
	He's like maybe 35 or 40 years old.
	And look at what he does.
	So there's trainers down there that are from different countries.
	There's people, if you're willing to work, that's why I always say to people, I say, work your ass off.
	Don't ever come.
	This is my big advice to immigrants.
	I say, don't ever come over here to just use this country.
	I say, give something back.
	Think about that you want to work your ass off here.
	You want to educate yourself here.
	You want to contribute to America here.
	That's what you want to do because the very fact that you're allowed to come over here, you should go and have that mentality of wanting to give something back.
	That's the bottom line.
	Amen, man.
	And I think that goes to it.
	Even as you're saying that, Arnold, it's making me think about like even a relationships that I'm in or business situations.
	I should think of most things as that way.
	Like, let me give something to this, right?
	Whatever this is, if this is a relationship with a spouse or a girlfriend or a boyfriend or if it's a team that I'm on or just a commitment I've had, I'm going to spend an hour with my son or your or my mom to do something.
	Let me give something to this, right?
	Let me not just take even this moment for granted, whatever it is.
	Let me be here and be present and apply myself so that we create something that just so I'm honoring the fact that I even have this moment in time.
	Yes.
	And let me tell you something that as soon as people realize that they're not self-made, that there were a lot of people involved in where you are today.
	A lot of people.
	A lot of people.
	You couldn't operate without the engineer.
	You couldn't operate without the deal that you got to do this and blah, blah, blah, and all this kind of stuff.
	But you have to recognize that because when you recognize that you're not self-made, that people have helped you, that is what makes you then click and say, I got to now help other people.
	I have the responsibility to help other people.
	And then you realize how much joy it brings you when you see that you have an impact and you can help other people.
	That's why we have the pump club and that's why we do the Arnold Classic and the promotion of bodybuilding and the environmental stuff and the after-school programs.
	I mean, to go to one of these after-school program conventions and to hear the kids' stories, it just makes you feel so good that you did that, that you raised the money.
	We have poker tournaments at my house where we raise like seven, eight million dollars sometimes.
	And then we put this right into the after-school programs.
	So this is where the action is.
	And you can do all of that because, as I always say, the day is 24 hours.
	And I talk about at great length in my book, you know, be useful.
	I talk about all of those kind of principles of giving back and having a vision and don't listen to the naysayers and all those kind of things.
	Who do you go to for your like your inspiration?
	Do you have like a coach or a mentor over the years?
	Have you had like like, do you go to Tony Robbins?
	Do you hire some of these guys who are really good at this type of stuff to help you in certain speed bumps in your life?
	Well, I would say that I have always had mentors, like, you know, the weeders that helped me and I looked up to them.
	Reg Park is something then bodybuilding that I looked up to.
	Then later on was Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California, then became president.
	And Nixon, people that I looked up to, or George Schultz, who was Secretary of State under Reagan, that then became my mentor when I became governor and told me about how to work together with Democrats and Republicans and not just this my way or the highway.
	Did you get to meet Reagan?
	Yeah, for many times.
	Oh, really?
	What was he like?
	I was at the White House.
	I was invited to state dinners there and everything like that.
	They have good food over there.
	Sigan?
	Good food over there, huh?
	Oh, yeah, they know how to cook.
	Hell yeah.
	Yeah, exactly, yeah.
	And then also Nixon.
	I mean, I was down at the Nixon library, I remember in the early 90s.
	And that's when Nixon, just without telling me, called me up on stage and wanted me to give a speech.
	You know, so I told him how I became a Nixon fan.
	And, you know, when I came over here to this country and all that stuff, he loved it.
	He said to me, Arnie, you should become governor of California.
	It was really great.
	So he was one of the guys that always pushed the button.
	That's also Bob Hope right there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I just got back.
	I just did a show in Qatar.
	Qatar?
	Qatar?
	Oh, you did?
	It was pretty cool, yeah.
	I happened to just be over there.
	Trump was over there speaking to it the same day, but we just did a show for the troops.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	But this is a great thing that you do.
	It was awesome.
	I tell you, there's nothing that they appreciate more than to go there and do schmooze with them, take photographs with them, or tell them some jokes.
	Yeah, so I remember I did it with Jay Leno.
	It was hit or miss.
	There we are right there.
	Oh, man.
	Look at that.
	That's what I did.
	Look at that team.
	A couple Ku Klux Sandsmen.
	That's the joke I made.
	Pretty good joke.
	I think it's good.
	Do you do that often?
	Do you do shows?
	I did it for a long time, and then I've taken a break recently.
	Yeah.
	I did it for a long time, and then I've taken a break recently.
	But this really reignited me on it.
	I was actually texting a couple of friends of mine and saying, let's go do some just even close bases that are close to us in America, just whatever we can.
	Let's start to do it a little bit more.
	And I think we're going to start to do it more.
	So I'm really excited about that.
	I feel really lucky.
	I mean, my whole job is freedom of speech, right?
	So it's like if people aren't protecting that, you can't even be a comedian in some countries.
	No, of course not.
	No, I think it's a great idea.
	And of course, I remember that when I was in my height in my bodybuilding days, I was invited to go on an aircraft carrier, Norfolk, Virginia, and to go and train with the sailors and to show them how to exercise and all that stuff.
	It was fantastic.
	Great, great event.
	I was up there.
	Ever since then, I really found it really enjoyable to go.
	If it's down here, there near San Diego, the Pendleton, or any of those military bases, or if I go to Seoul, South Korea, or to Japan, or anywhere I go, Middle East, I was in Kuwait and visiting the working out with them at like 3-4 in the morning.
	Dude, when I work out with them, they don't give a shit.
	I'll tell you that.
	Well, I tell you that there's some really serious lifters here.
	Yeah, but they do not want to see me do anything.
	I usually stand on the side and just drink.
	I'll have a little bit of a protein shake.
	But when you, what about like, was it hard with your whole life?
	Was it tough to be like, was it ever tough to be a good husband or be a good dad?
	Like, if so much of your job takes like your work side of you, because I noticed for me, like, I'm not married yet.
	I would like to find a wife, but it's hard for me to even find time, you know?
	Like, is it like, were there moments where because your life gets so big, right?
	And you've had a big life.
	I mean, there's like you, Arnold, and then the other guy, hey, Arnold, he's a fucking drawing, I think, right?
	So you're the only, you're like, the name is yours, really.
	Like, does it ever get hard to be a parent or something?
	Because of how big you're.
	Let me tell you something.
	Everything that you want to do that is really good and you want to go all out, it's difficult.
	It's challenging.
	But I was very fortunate because I married a woman that understood that I have to work.
	And she didn't complain about it.
	You know, so we got together and I understood that right away because of the family she came from, the Kennedy family, right?
	So Maria Schreiber was like, she understood that all of her exactly, yeah.
	So if it is, you know, John F. Kennedy, if it was Barbie Kennedy Sr., you know, when he ran for president, I mean, her father ran for president and for vice president and all of this.
	So she was used to that everyone has to go out and work.
	They left the house in the morning and they came back late at night.
	And or like, for instance, then later on, you know, was traveling around the world for Special Olympics.
	And her mother was also a workaholic.
	And so she understood that.
	And so when I was going on location, when we had kids, she would go and she would stop her job in New York, the NBC job that she was hosting, the morning news.
	And she would stay home.
	She would stay home and she would stay with the kids.
	And so this is why we have four terrific kids that we created together.
	And Patrick, of course, we're very proud of him.
	Oh, yeah.
	I love his new show.
	The show.
	So cool.
	He did a great job.
	He did a fantastic job.
	And Catherine is fantastic and writes books and all this stuff.
	And who are your other two children, just so we are?
	Christina and Christopher.
	And Christopher.
	And Christopher is also in show business.
	He's working for a production company.
	He reads more scripts than I ever read in my whole life.
	So it's really great to see all the kids.
	Then I have one son outside the marriage, which is Joseph.
	And Joseph is also doing terrific in real estate.
	So it's a key thing is to really concentrate on being a participative father when you have kids.
	Because you got to go, they want to see you ski when you go up and say, let's go skiing.
	They don't want you to just send them up in the mountains in the cold weather where they freeze their butt off.
	They want to see you sitting on a chairlift, go up with the skis and ski with them.
	So that's what I did.
	So of course, they hated it when they were kids.
	They said, oh, daddy, let's go in.
	I want to get a hot chocolate.
	They said, there is no hot jacket.
	They're skiing.
	I said, this is a ski mountain, not a hot jockey mountain.
	They said, what's the matter with you kids?
	You know, and then they were crying on the chair.
	And we were going up there and the chairlift and we were skiing down and skiing down for three, four hours.
	And then we had the hot chocolate and we had the lunch and all this stuff.
	And now, when they go up to Sandali and go skiing, they stop me and they said, Dad, I just want you to know how much I appreciate that you made us ski.
	Because now I ski fantastic.
	I can go down on any run.
	And they think you when they do it.
	That's what I always tell my friends.
	I said, don't just go and take pictures of them skiing.
	No, you put the skis on, you put the ski boots on, and you go and do it.
	And the same with playing soccer.
	I was playing soccer with my son.
	And you got to go and participate in all of this stuff.
	And so this is what I believed in.
	I went to all the games with my wife.
	Oh, damn.
	And so this is my brother.
	Well, any Liverwitz can make anyone look good.
	I guess, yeah.
	My gosh.
	No, but you know what?
	I just gather from some of your things is just the application of self, right?
	And that you have to go get it.
	You have to go do this, right?
	Yeah, do you know Bobby pretty good?
	Bobby Kennedy's a friend of mine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Bobby, I mean, let me tell you something about Bobby.
	He's a great guy.
	Oh, he's one of my favorite.
	He's one of my favorite guys.
	I know him from recovery.
	We go to recovery meetings together.
	But think about this for a second.
	I'm running for governor in 2003.
	And then all of a sudden I get a phone call from Bobby, who I knew very well.
	And Bobby and Joe Kennedy, his brother, his older brother, they were always really kind of nice to me and kind and inclusive and stuff like that.
	Well, fuck you.
	You're the damn Terminator.
	They got me at least.
	No, no, but I mean, you know, some people are kind of like, oh, who's this new guy coming into the family type of thing?
	Oh, I see, especially their family because it's a prestigious family.
	That's right, yeah.
	So, but they were really nice.
	So Bobby calls me and he says, Arnold, you're Republican.
	Republicans are not known for the environmental record.
	He says, I'm an environmentalist.
	He says, yes, you know, I'm the head of the river keepers and all that stuff.
	And I have a guy that you should have a new team that can educate you really about the environment.
	I said, well, think about it.
	It's really nice.
	Who is it?
	Terry Tammanen.
	He says, let me send him over to your office.
	He sent over Terry Taminen.
	We hit it off right away really well.
	And the next thing I know is that we're working together.
	He's part of the team.
	And then when I became governor, and I think that contributed to me becoming governor because I saw this whole idea that I want to be environmentally friendly.
	I want to reduce greenhouse gases.
	I want to get the renewable energy up in California and all of this stuff.
	So the next thing I said, I become governor.
	He becomes now Terry Tamman and becomes the head of the EPA and all of this.
	But this all happened in my knowledge about the environment, all this happened because of Bobby Kennedy.
	So that's the kind of a guy he is.
	I mean, he's like, didn't say, oh, you're a Republican.
	I'm going to campaign against you.
	No.
	He was 100% on board.
	He wanted to wish me good luck.
	And he did wish me good luck.
	And he wanted me to win.
	Not because I'm a Republican.
	He just felt like, oh, I like Arnold.
	I want the good guy to win.
	No matter what side he's on.
	Exactly.
	So that's the kind of a guy Bobby is, you know.
	So I think the world of him.
	Yeah, he's cool.
	We had him on the podcast when everybody was thinking he was kind of crazy during the pandemic and stuff.
	And he was concerned about just people's health and well-being with vaccines and stuff.
	We had him on.
	But yeah, I've always known him to be just a neat guy.
	He's my friend.
	I'm excited for him.
	I'm curious to see what it's like once you get into office.
	How can you still keep your beliefs or not?
	Or do things get heavily compromised?
	Do you feel like?
	It is compromised.
	You have to.
	You have to compromise.
	Because the whole world doesn't think exactly like you.
	And remember what Eisenhower said.
	Eisenhower said that politics is like the road.
	The left, the right is the gutter.
	And the center is drivable.
	And that's exactly the way it is in politics.
	You have to understand that there's a sweet spot.
	You know, like the teacher in golf, he hit the sweet spot or in tennis, he hit the sweet spot.
	There's a sweet spot to find exactly so he can get a deal made and that he can move things forward.
	It's not exactly your way.
	I mean, I remember with the infrastructure, I wanted to build $100 billion worth of infrastructure, but they only agreed on hand to around $60 billion.
	So I didn't get my way with the financial situation.
	I wanted to wipe out the deficit.
	And I was not able to do that with all these Democrats around it.
	They love to spend money.
	So I was stuck with it.
	But the fact of them is we could improve the situation.
	And I was able to work together with the Democrats on environmental issues and infrastructure issues and so many other healthcare issues and so many other issues, education and all of this stuff.
	And we did really fine.
	And that a great time up there being governor of the state of California.
	But it's about compromise.
	I mean, you said before that you can't do everything.
	You can't do it all by yourself.
	It's not a dictatorship.
	You have two parties.
	Within your own party, they think differently.
	So you have to face reality.
	The trick is just to not hate the other side because they think differently.
	It's just kind of like figuring out how can we work together and how can we do something that's really good for the people.
	That's the bottom line.
	They just had, do you think we'll ever have a Republican governor again in California?
	Well, you know, if someone has a good program and if someone is organic, I mean, with me, it was possible because I had a great mentor, number one, which was Pete Wilson, who was a governor of California two terms.
	And he helped me.
	Pete Wilson?
	Yeah, Pete Wilson, yeah.
	And he helped me, you know, with the race a lot.
	And then I also was organic because, you know, people saw that I did not come out of nowhere where I always went from acting to politics.
	I mean, I was working with Special Olympics for decades, going around the world to help Special Olympics and to get recognition for them and to be able to get jobs and to have, you know, be able to live anywhere they want and to get into sports, Special Olympics, sports programs, and all this powerlifting and all this.
	So I want always fighting for equality, including in South Africa with Nelson Mandela.
	We were there together fighting for Special Olympics.
	So the people in California saw all of that.
	And also me starting the after-school programs and having an initiative that I went to the people a year before in 2002.
	And the people voted 57% in favor of that initiative for after-school programs.
	So I was already in there and I was working with President Bush, being the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports.
	So I was already giving back and giving back and giving back.
	So when I said, now I'm not interested anymore in just doing another movie, I'm more interested in getting the state of California back on its feet because we had blackouts with huge deficits.
	You know, the illegalists were getting driver's license.
	There was all kinds of crazy stuff that was going on here.
	And I said myself, you know, the Indian gaming, they didn't pay taxes and they did all the gaming and made billions of dollars.
	And their workers' compensation costs were high, and people were moving out with their businesses in California.
	I say, I will bring California back.
	No matter how many people were campaigning for Greg Davis, who was governor then, you know, Clinton came out and campaigned for him.
	Board came out.
	John Kerry came out.
	Al Sharpen, all of those guys came out to campaign for him.
	I said to Bush, I said, no, no, don't come out.
	I don't need that.
	It's between me and the voters.
	And so I convinced the California people, and that's how I became governor.
	That's why I got a huge majority of votes.
	But it was organic.
	So many of the guys come from real estate and they say, well, I want to be governor.
	I have the money now.
	People don't buy in on that stuff.
	Right, you can't just buy it.
	You can't just buy it.
	You had Bloomberg tried to do it a few years ago.
	It didn't work.
	Yeah, you have to be real.
	And you have to be able to have a vision.
	Remember, again, it goes back to the book, be useful.
	Rule number one is you have to have a clear vision.
	You can't just say, I want to be governor.
	What is your vision?
	If someone sits down and says, what is your vision of your California?
	Remember that Teddy Kennedy, the problem he had when they asked him, Roger Mudd asked him, when he announced to run for president.
	And Roger Mudd asked him, he says, why do you want to be president?
	Teddy couldn't answer it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So he was like, well, my mother rose, she always taught us to give something back.
	It didn't work.
	People didn't buy.
	And even though he was a great public servant, he did a great job, a senator, but he couldn't sell it.
	So you have to come out of the gate and really be very forceful and know and let the people know, I know what I want to do, and I'm going to fight for you.
	Not fight for me.
	I don't want to be a political hack.
	I don't want to be just another Republican that wins the thing.
	No, I want to fight for you.
	So that was the whole theme of the campaign.
	They have like, they just had where they found like $20 something billion dollars that was like, it was supposed to be earmarked for homeless help in California that went missing, right?
	How does money go missing once you're in these places, do you think?
	Is it just like people, what does this say?
	Newsome confronted at a press conference about $24 billion spent on tackling homelessness.
	Like, how does, how does stuff like that, and it didn't have to be this specifically, but once you're in office and you see these huge amounts of money, how does stuff like that just go by the wayside where it gets, you know, lost or missing, hypothetically, do you think?
	Well, first of all, let me just say none of those politicians would want to run my company.
	Yeah.
	None of those companies, none of those politicians, I would like to hand over my checkbook and my bank account and say, you manage it now.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So that's where it starts.
	So they're not that smart when it comes to solving problems.
	And so I can totally understand how $24 billion is missing because it's wasted.
	They cannot even show it.
	They cannot even have any accountability.
	But this has been going on for 20 years now.
	I know.
	We're not talking about just for the last few years.
	This has been going on and on.
	Everyone has been complaining about the homeless, but they don't create, they don't really tell you that this was created by the politicians, the homelessness.
	Did Reagan create it though?
	No, no.
	It was created by having people go and say, we don't want no growth in California.
	So when you have 19, when I came over here, it was 19, 20 million people in California.
	Well, they built six lane highways.
	So now when you go to 40 million people, you would know mathematically now you need 12 lane highways, meaning six lanes, and then on top of it, you build another freeway, right?
	So that you don't have traffic congestion.
	But that's not what they did.
	Then when you have to, you know, when you go from 20 to 40 million people, then you need twice as many houses.
	You need twice as many apartment buildings.
	You need twice as much of everything, schools and everything.
	And they didn't.
	They didn't take care of them because the environmentalists thought that if we say no growth, then no one would come.
	But in the meantime, no one gives a shit about that.
	They come anyway.
	And then they somehow then live three people in one apartment or five people in one apartment or sometimes workers, they sometimes live 10 people in one apartment.
	Oh, yeah, they're really big.
	But then what happens now is when you have a limited amount of housing, now the prices rise.
	So now when the prices go up, the value of the apartment building goes up, so the unit that used to cost $600 now costs $3,000 a month.
	But the salaries, the wages didn't go up accordingly.
	So now you have people that are economically homeless.
	They cannot afford paying for their rent anymore.
	So this is created by the politicians.
	And now remember what Einstein said.
	The people that created the problem cannot solve it.
	So they are doing the same thing over, which is another thing Einstein said.
	If you try to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results, that's the definition of insanity.
	And it feels like that's what we're living in.
	So this is what we're dealing with here.
	So we have, you know, the city here is not able to manage this whole thing.
	On the state level, we are not able to manage this whole thing.
	So it's like I had to go, I mean, we had the homeless veterans camping out in front of the Veterans Administration up there in Westwood.
	Oh, yeah, right over there, 405 and 70. Right in front of the four years.
	They're camping out there and no one is helping them.
	So I went and I started making a deal and I said, can we not put inside some houses, little houses?
	And they said, yes.
	And we started, I donated the money and we started building houses.
	And since then, there's now hundreds of houses inside the veterans administration and the homeless are gone because they wanted to help the veterans administration.
	But it took a while and the city kept saying, oh, it is too difficult to do and this is really challenging to do.
	I said, watch that.
	Within two months, We had those houses there and we created homes for 25 people so they could move in just to show to the city it can be done.
	Amen.
	Don't give me this, it can't be done.
	Anything can be done if there's a will to it with the whole thing.
	Amen.
	I have two quick questions for you just about people.
	Thank you so much for your time today, Arnold.
	Thanks for the inspiration.
	I feel like this has been an inspirational conversation for me.
	You never know what certain conversations are going to be like.
	Thanks for your contributions to entertainment and to just, it's evident that you, you know, you are the American dream.
	And it made me feel like it is still possible, which I don't know if I even felt like that when I started this conversation.
	Did you ever get to meet Michael Landon before?
	No.
	You didn't?
	I love him.
	He was one of my favorites.
	And did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson before?
	Yeah.
	What was he like?
	Do you have any good, like a cool story about him?
	Really nice man.
	I mean, he was very nice.
	He came to my trailer several times when there was filming over there in the Universal Lot, the studio.
	And then we had also dinner several times.
	I remember one time with Katzenberg.
	And maybe it was even Katzenberg that organized it.
	I cannot remember anymore.
	But I mean, yeah, I mean, he was a wonderful, wonderful guy.
	Would he tell stories and stuff like regular people?
	Because they always make him seem so quiet.
	No, no, he is quiet.
	And it could be because he wanted to protect his voice.
	You know, he was odd.
	Yeah.
	Not always about that.
	But he was very, very nice and very interesting and fascinated about different things.
	And he was many times also felt like you're talking to a child.
	Oh, I can see that for sure.
	You know, he would shift into this thing with things that children are really into, you know, kind of like riots and Disney or something like that that he would talk about that really interested him.
	And so it was kind of an interesting thing, but you can see the way he grew up and with the amount of fame that he had, how difficult it must have been for him to handle all that.
	Oh, I can't even think.
	To be this genius of a musician.
	I mean, it's like unbelievable.
	And it's sad that he got addicted to this kind of, you know, sleeping thing.
	Ropa Fall, I think, or something.
	Yeah.
	And then took too much of it and passed away.
	It was a huge loss for the world because he was just such a fantastic entertainer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'll see his children every now and then.
	I cross paths with his daughter every once in a while.
	Anything else that you want to show, Roman?
	I think it's been a good conversation.
	Do you guys feel like that?
	I think that the key thing is that we pump up that while you're airing this interview, that you show every 10 minutes a trailer of FUBA.
	Okay.
	And then while I'm talking, you show a little bit of clips again.
	And then a little bit of that.
	Let me help you with the editing, okay?
	Hey, I promise you this.
	I will certainly support it.
	And I'll watch some more of it.
	I'm going to get some of my friends to watch it.
	We grew up watching just so many of your movies.
	The lady with the three breasts.
	Remember that one?
	She was God.
	Oh, yeah, from Total Recall.
	Oh.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I recall those a lot, brother, you know?
	And I totaled them up three every time, you know?
	But thank you for that.
	That was the first breasts I was ever allowed to see a little bit.
	But thank you so much, man.
	Absolutely.
	It was great.
	And remember, I hope this is not the last time.
	We do it again sometimes.
	Oh, no.
	I would love to do this again.
	Yeah, that was fun.
	I really enjoyed that.
	Thank you so much.
	One more.
	Just say something nice about each one of your children so one day they'll be able to see this really fast.
	Well, I'm proud of all my children.
	I'm very proud of Catherine, who has three kids now herself, and who's writing books and is the greatest mother.
	She's just like her mother, Maria, that was a really fantastic mother.
	And I'm very proud of her.
	I'm proud of Christina, who is also in the producing and doing TV shows, documentaries, and all that.
	Here in Los Angeles?
	Yeah.
	And then, of course, Patrick Schwarzenegger, you know, just saw his new show.
	So he's doing really well.
	I'm so happy that his acting career is taking off.
	You know, this is something that he really was very passionate about always.
	Christopher is doing a great job.
	I mean, he just lost 150 pounds.
	No way.
	Yeah, so he used to weigh 350.
	He's now down like to 210 or something like that.
	Oh, he must be feeling so much healthier, huh?
	He feels really great.
	Works out in Goach Gym every day, and I know that I'm really proud of him.
	You get to see him there sometimes?
	Yeah, I see him all the time.
	Oh, that's awesome.
	And then, you know, Joseph is a fantastic human being.
	He's into real estate, he's into acting, and he's going into training.
	He works out all the time.
	So I'm really proud of all of them.
	And none of them is into drugs.
	None of them is the alcohol and any of those things.
	So it's really fantastic to see them.
	And even, and I have also a nephew here.
	I mean, that is really fantastic, Patrick Knapp.
	Patrick Knapp is here.
	That's Catherine's.
	He's my entertainment lawyer.
	I mean, so I brought him over from Austria because my brother passed away.
	So he's, this is Patrick.
	This is your brother's son?
	Yes, my brother's son.
	No way.
	So he was three years old when my brother passed away.
	And then so he went to school over there and everything.
	Then I brought him over to also go to Santa Monica College, go to UCLA, go to Hastings Law School and something.
	Santa Monica UCLA.
	That's right, yeah.
	Does he remind you of your brother?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	He reminds me a lot of my brother.
	Yeah.
	That's awesome.
	I bet your brother's super proud of you, man.
	And thank you so much, Arnold, for just all your contributions and for your time today.
	My pleasure.
	Yep, you guys go watch Foobar.
	Now I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be called the stone.
	But when I reach that round, I share this piece of mind.

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