$crim and Ruby Da Cherry, a.k.a, $uicideboy$ are a rap duo (and cousins) from New Orleans, Louisiana. Their new album, “New World Depression” is streaming now on all platforms, and you can catch them on tour later this summer.
$uicideboy$ join Theo in New Orleans for a highly requested episode of This Past Weekend, chatting about their roots in the Gulf Coast, the long, dark history that lead to the formation of $B, how they were able to survive and make music during the most chaotic times in their lives, getting clean and evolving as artists, how they cultivated such a close-knit fanbase, the time $crim thought Southwest Airlines was trying to kill him, and much more.
$crim: https://www.instagram.com/yungxrist/
Ruby: https://www.instagram.com/suicideleopard
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Today's guests are probably the most requested guests that we've ever had.
And that's the truth.
They're out of New Orleans, Louisiana, baby.
You know that.
And that's where we came to spend time with them down here on Carondelet Street at the Maison de la Luz Hotel.
They have a new album called New World Depression.
Nobody's done it like they have.
Nobody's fan base is like theirs is.
grateful today to spend time with the suicide boys
Shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I love you And I will find a song I've been waiting to bust these out.
You picked a good day to do it.
Yeah.
I might retire them after today, too.
No, man.
You got to do this.
For you, brother?
Yes.
For you?
Yes.
For Christmas or something, you got to bring them bitches back.
All right.
Christmas or...
You come back to Louisiana?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Family stuff?
Yeah, every time.
My family still lives over in Mandeville.
Oh, do they?
Big Mandeville.
So was it Covington or Mandeville?
I grew up in Covington and I moved over to Mandeville.
I got you.
Where at?
Should we save this?
This stuff we want to save?
This part of the chat?
Oh, we are?
Oh, we are?
Roll it up.
Yeah, I grew up in Covington down by Lee Road or whatever, by this.
Yeah.
It was down in Lee.
Lee Road, boys.
Oh, bro.
A lot of people, dude.
A lot of homemade tattoos, body work.
Yeah.
They'll handle business and they'll bury you.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, dude.
They got kind of B-Yo chiropractor shit going on, like that kind of shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Shit.
They'll like, they'll hook a wince to your leg and try to, like a truck, you know.
My dad was in jail.
Like they're pulling you out the mud.
They'll try to fix your hip like that.
My dad was in jail with a Lero boy and it was his roommate.
And that's, I got it.
He took care of them, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, he knew the ropes.
He took care of them.
But Blair, you remember Blair?
Did you ever meet Blair?
Oh, yeah.
I did flooring with him and shit when we first started.
Fixanax.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, flooring is a gateway drug, I feel like.
Bro, I went to that job sober one day.
Louisiana fucking is a bad thing.
I went to that job sober for one day just because I didn't have shit, bro, and I was assed out.
So I went there sober for one day.
And by lunchtime, I was willing to suck some dick for something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some female dick, let's say that.
Yeah, that's cool.
Some 2024 dick.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
My friend had a joke of like how people in Louisiana, like blue-collar guys, workers, they'll like verbally express their resume to you to hire them, but their resume is like, oh, I don't do pills no more.
I do good work, like whatever.
And that's how they get the job.
I'd rather hire if you do do pills.
They do better work.
90-degree angles only, bro.
One dude told me once.
Yeah, that's what we expected.
When I was off that shit, bro, I was on it, bro.
Really?
Employee of DeMont.
Uh-uh.
Depends on which specific one it was.
When I was managing a restaurant, Xanax was not my friend.
I let them do whatever they wanted.
I think that's where me and you differed.
They were all my friend.
Really?
Yeah, some are better friends than others.
Well, if you want to, you want to get it?
I mean, who was a better, or I don't know if there's a term for better drug user?
I wasn't good at it.
I think I was too sensitive with drugs.
Scott and I were both way too good at it.
He started young.
You started young.
I started young, and then basically by 16. By 16, I had my first pain pill.
I was drinking before that.
And every time I drank, I blacked out.
Like, you know what I'm talking about.
I couldn't help it.
So you would do it every time.
Oh, yeah, every time.
It wasn't like.
Scott was balls to the walls.
Balls to the wall every time.
Yeah, I had no control whatsoever.
But I took my first pain pill at 16. And then from then, I was like, fuck, I want to feel like this every day.
Like, I get it now.
Because I grew up, the way I grew up, I hated all that shit from just growing up.
I did.
And I was like, I'm never going to touch any of that shit.
And I didn't for a long time until I did.
And then once I did, you know, it's like, it's like, I get it now.
I get why.
So from 16 on to 2019, every day.
Yeah, it was everyday balls to the wall.
It started with pain pills, went to stronger pain pills, went to heroin.
Then the worst it got was toward the end where I was just speedballing all day, like 20 Adderall all a day, 20 Xanax a day to calm me down from that.
That's the Louisiana speedball.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And then, you know, whatever opiates we can get, fentanyl patches, whatever, dude.
Oh, yeah.
People will do pickleback heroin.
People will be like, what are you doing, bro?
Shit, that drug's always been super prevalent down here, especially in New Orleans, you know?
Yeah.
What about your like your first, do you remember taking your first pain pill ever or no?
I do.
I do.
Wow.
I had surgery when I was 13. I had two ankles, two screws put in my ankles for a skateboarding injury that I got into when I was 13. And they did surgery.
And then I was prescribed Vicodin.
And I would just like lay in my bed.
The Vicodin pill bottle would be like above on my headboard.
And like every few hours, I was supposed to take one.
And I got hooked.
And after I got recovered and I started like being a teenager and being social and all this stuff, that's what I wanted to find was painkillers.
Oh, yeah.
I remember once I took a couple of somas, bro, and I felt like I didn't have any arms for almost half a day.
Well, like the Trinity is supposed to be a Percocet, a Soma, and a Xanax.
You ever seen the pharmacist that like documentary on the map?
Yeah, that's y'all.
Yeah.
Pillmills.
That was the thing, bro.
There was like 200, 200 lower tabs, 180 Xanax, and 120 Soma.
That was like the Trinity that they prescribed to everyone.
Yeah, oh, I remember they busted a mall center in Terrytown with like 100 Somas on them or something.
Shout out Big Terry Town.
Yeah, bro.
A town full of so many Terry's, they named it after them.
Hey, Terry, you'll get your flooring, bro.
Some dudes, they were so fucked up, they put flooring on the ceiling, bro.
You'd be like, brother, this dude put flooring on everything.
Oh, my God, dude.
They'll floor your yard in Louisiana.
They'll give a fuck, dude.
They'll floor a baby crib.
They'll floor them, bro.
New tile floor.
They'll floor your grandfather, bro.
You'll even have sitting around.
My mom's a Liam's got new tile.
Right.
That's crazy.
You guys, that's crazy.
You remember your first pain pill?
Oh, yeah.
That's crazy to think of how strong they are and how powerful they are, that that's like a core memory.
Bro, it's like a very euphoric, like, it's like almost like a coming to Jesus moment.
Like, it's like, oh, mine happened in a different situation.
My papa had passed away when I was 16. And he was like my dad.
You know, me and him were super tired.
I loved that man.
And when he passed away, you know, I came across a pain pill.
Coping with the sadness?
Yeah.
And at that point, I was just like, you know, like, this is too painful.
I can't deal with this.
Fuck it.
And, you know, he had his funeral that day.
And for me, it had the opposite effect.
I didn't get sick.
I didn't get tired.
I felt like great.
I know.
I felt euphoric.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I was running around the funeral.
I gave a eulogy.
Everybody standing.
There's a goddamn emancipation proclamation.
Look, I will say to the day, to this day, I've heard it's the only eulogy with a trap beat behind it.
So I am saying that that's the rumor going around.
Did they scream with that?
Dang, that's crazy.
So do you think you would have been able to get that eulogy if you weren't on the pills?
No.
Wow.
So that's.
I was too hurt.
I wonder if that's how, like, I wonder if that, was that like the first time you ever like kind of spoke like that?
It was the first time in my life that I was comfortable in my skin.
That I felt like my whole life, like there was something off, like I didn't belong here.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I could never be comfortable in my own skin.
That was the first time where that happened to me.
I felt good.
I didn't have a care in the world.
And I was like, I made it a point.
I told myself, I remember, I'm going to feel like this every day for the rest of my life.
And that's what I set out to do from the time I woke up to the time I went to sleep.
And that's.
So how does music even get started then by you guys if y'all are already well?
It's hard to get a pill head to finish painting the bass boards.
I'm probably the most productive.
If you hold pills above their head, you can get them to do anything you want, anything you want.
They'll do it.
And I don't know.
Our pads started differently.
Yeah, and it wasn't like we were so fucked in the beginning.
Like it was very much a fun thing and we were ignorant and thinking like that that story that you hear about death in jail, that's not going to happen to us because we're smarter than that.
We know how to do this the right way.
But give it 10 years and we're at that point.
So the music always came first.
It was never drugs first.
The music was always first.
And then at some point, it kind of got, the lines got blurred a little bit.
Yeah, so then who starts the music first, man?
Because one thing that's crazy about you guys' music, I was listening to so much of it the past month, trying to like decipher, like, okay, is there certain beats, like, where did some of the sounds come from?
Like little things.
Sometimes I hear a little bit of like bone thug, maybe I would hear.
I used to get that so much when we first started.
Do you really?
We used to get compared to bone thugs all the time.
But then sometimes I would be watching, I would almost think of that movie Gummo or something a little bit.
Do you ever see that movie?
I've never seen Gummo.
He's seen a lot of movies.
I haven't seen it.
Super artistic and like bizarre.
It's very bizarre.
And kind of like off-violent kind of like, yeah, I mean, even just looking at that picture.
It's disturbing.
It's a disturbing movie.
And I was like, this shit, it's like, it feels, it's music, but it feels like a disturbance.
That's what you guys start, like, some of y'all's stuff feels like that to me.
Yeah.
Like, I want to disturb shit.
Yeah, we want to disturb shit.
We want to make people feel weird.
We want to make people feel, I don't know, at first we were super edgy, like just saying crazy shit just to see reactions out of people.
Shock value, all that thing.
But you must have liked that.
Like, there's a thing that you, you know what I'm saying?
Like, we, like, for me, like, pressing buttons.
Yeah, yeah.
For me, I grew up on like 3.6.
That was my biggest influence.
And those are all the same.
It was like old sponsors.
Yeah, like old Memphis music from like the 90s.
And my uncle put me on that when I was like eight years old.
And I just got obsessed.
But other than that, I came from more of like a trap music background, like Trap House Dope DL.
That type of shit.
Yeah, all that shit.
And then him from the punk background.
And like hip-hop.
I was on the hip-hop tip.
I was like an old head at like 25 years old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, I was bringing boom map.
I was like, this isn't philosophical enough for me.
Yeah, Hayton.
That's where we differ also.
Yeah, but he made me realize that I was taking myself way too seriously as far as like my taste in music goes.
And I think a lot of people from New Orleans have like this elitist taste in music because, you know, the city's pretty like, you know, there's music everywhere, every day, every night.
There's music all over the place.
So I think growing up here, you kind of like, at least I did, develop this elite taste.
And he's the one that kind of knocked me down a couple pegs.
And I realized, oh, some music is just fun.
It doesn't have to be so serious, like with a message and shit.
Yeah, that's the vibe I get from like, and even getting a, go to, go to one of y'all's shows, like, just like there's this legion of people that want to just have this experience.
Yeah.
You know, they want to be in this like disturbing moment, you know, like they like the song, the songs, but it's almost like they're anthems too to them.
Yeah, that's a good feelings that they have.
It's interesting.
That's a good way to put it, bro.
Dude, it's a lot of, a lot of these kids are like misfits and outcasts and weirdos.
And like he said, never felt comfortable in his own skin.
I can relate to that very well, you know, myself.
So I think we provide a place for these kids to feel like they're surrounded by their people.
Yeah.
And they come and they like.
Yeah.
And it's like this emotional, like, they can get their emotions out by getting in the pit or yelling lyrics or like, you know, maybe you'll meet a girl there.
You might meet your best friend there.
I always like to think that after these shows, like these kids stay in touch.
And like, it's like a whole community for them.
And they do.
I've seen it.
They do.
And I think they share a connection with us, which I love because I don't ever want them to look at us as I want us to be humanized to them.
For sure.
Oh, it felt like it dude.
I remember even going from backstage and being around the people that the night I was there, I think you guys had Shakewell.
Nashville?
Yeah, Nashville.
And who else?
Tall black dude.
Germ, Annihil.
Shakewell Cheddar.
Cheddar was there.
He had turned style.
No, not that.
Puya?
Puya, no, and he wasn't there.
Yeah, Cheddar was there.
But I remember from even just the people that were backstage to the people working with y'all to the crowd, I couldn't tell the difference between who the fuck was who anyway.
You know what I'm saying?
I accused seven of people of being damn shake well and cheddar.
I met two girls that looked like Cheddar.
And look, Chedda's a handsome guy.
He's a good looking dude.
And they were pretty girls.
I'm just saying that it, it's just, it feel like all the same people.
It just feels like, um, it doesn't feel like there's a, It's like, it doesn't feel like you guys are in like a superior place.
I don't ever want anyone to feel like I think I'm better than them.
I don't like that.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't like that at all.
I never want to be looked at as if I like punched down or anything.
Like, yeah, no, I hope I would never put myself out there to be looked at in that light because I don't feel like I'm better than even the, even the people that come to the show, dude, I don't feel like I'm better than any of them.
The people that are helping us at the shows and working and putting the sets together and every night.
We thank the security and then the venue workers because it's true, without them, you know, it takes a lot of people to throw a show and to throw a tour.
And it's not just all about the glitz and the glamour because people know our names and our faces.
A lot of people put hard work into this.
And Scott and I have been able to remain humble throughout all of this.
And we love meeting the fans and talking with them, but we do have our boundaries.
And we've never been a dick to the fans, except if they deserved it.
I use that word loosely, but kind of crossing that boundaries and posing on our personal space a little too much to where we have to say something.
Yes, no, no.
You guys also have to.
I got into it with a commie in my comments the other day.
You know, like shit like that.
A communist guy?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
He said he was going to come take all my shit.
I had to let him know.
Come distribute it.
Come try it.
Yeah.
Dude, to take all somebody's shit, that would take two or three days, bro.
You can't.
He told me I was outnumbered.
I don't know.
He had an ex-girl.
I'm sorry, this is too much, but he had an ex-girl take all his shit out of his house in a couple of days.
So it's possible.
Oh, yeah.
It's possible.
It's possible.
I was in rehab with a bag of underwear, some shirts from H ⁇ M that Kyle bought me for rehab and like fucking 10 grand left to my name, which sounds like a lot to some people.
But, you know, I mean, at the time, bro, I probably, I had like a million dollar house and what, a million dollars, you would say?
And I was, that's what I was down to.
So, wow.
Yeah, dude.
Well, it's funny because sometimes when you go to rehab and shit, people will pack a bag.
And the most thing they put in there the most, bro, underpants, bro.
It's almost like it's important, but it's like, bro, at least help me.
I was like, I'll figure the rest out.
You know what I'm saying?
You'll see somebody in rehab wearing like underpants as a shirt.
Oh, bro.
I went to like Target before I went to rehab and just bought all cozy, comfortable clothes.
I think it was shit.
Ruby's in a bunch of onesies there.
Real life.
That is something he would do.
I mean, you can't go anywhere.
You can't do anything.
You don't have a phone.
So what's the point in like trying to dress and press?
Ruby got one of those portable fireplaces you got going on.
Well, they had Roku's in the rehab.
So when you guys first start putting the tunes together, then how does that kind of happen?
I mean, I know there's a lot of lore out there, but I just want my fan base to know too, man, that you guys are out of Louisiana.
You guys have created this universe that's really super unique, man.
Like you guys' thing is its own thing.
Thank you, bro.
It's its own fan base.
It's its own.
I never know who will be a Suicide Boys fan.
Especially if you walk in.
It's weird, bro.
It trips to me.
It's true, bro.
I don't think we haven't gotten used to any of this either, bro.
Like, even coming here today, it was really nerve-wracking.
You know, we're really introverted.
But as far as the music, I mean, when you say, like, how does it get created?
Are you talking about from a creative standpoint when we get together and actually make the song?
Or like, how did we get together and get to this point?
Yeah, you mean like the origin or like?
Yeah, I know you guys are cousins, right?
I know you guys have that family.
I mean, I even think that you guys look like people tell you that a lot.
Our moms are sisters.
Oh, yeah.
He looks kind of like my brother, but I don't think we've ever gotten compared.
Maybe when we were younger.
Yeah.
When we were younger.
But it's just the kind of wildest sound or feeling or thing to come out of New Orleans.
It's really interesting because you wouldn't think it.
Say if you played you guys music for people from, you know, and they were like, where do you think this came out of?
I don't know if they would say New Year.
I don't know if they wouldn't.
Right, I agree.
But it's just what you guys have is so unique.
It's not mainstream.
It's your own thing.
It's huge.
I mean, you guys are playing arenas, you know, it's like, it's fucking crazy.
Yeah, it is.
And it's kind of, it's all, it's all You and your fans thing, right?
That's what I think is.
It feels like it's y'all's thing.
It almost feels, I almost feel like an outsider, even getting to spend time with you in a way, right?
I mean, you and I are close, and I'm grateful to, you know, we're both from Louisiana, but, and so I'm grateful for it, but still, I know that that's y'all's world, right?
And so I guess what I'm asking, yeah, like, how does that first thing start to kick off?
And how do you know you're making something that you feel brave enough to put out there?
Or were you just waiting?
Were you just kind of.
So he started off, like he, he used to rap and he was, you in a lot of bands growing up.
My, my path was different.
I started off DJing when I was 13. I was listening to Q93.
You know, Q93.
Oh, yeah.
And DJ Rowe was on there.
And he was, it was the first time I ever heard someone blend two songs together.
And it tripped me out.
So my parents got me like this little $100 DJ setup for Christmas.
And I started from there.
About fast forward, you know, I'm DJing parties, all that throughout high school.
Oh, that must have been fire.
Friday.
Yeah, it went down.
It went down.
Kyle knows it went down.
People needed you.
Yeah, we had some good times, bro.
It was wild.
Legendary times.
And then 19, fast forward, I'm about 19, and that's when I got into producing and engineering, like recording people and mixing.
I never really wanted to rap.
I would do it for fun, but I thought it was whack to be white and be a rapper.
I didn't see too many out there that pulled it off good.
Yeah, you got to really know you can do it.
Yeah, so I was like, I always felt like my place was more behind the scenes.
And then I had made a couple mixtapes for fun while on like my off days when I was working at the furniture store.
He reaches back out to you.
Wander court.
Sang and used furniture.
Yeah, bro.
Who was it for, bro?
What furniture?
Winter court.
Yeah, wine or court, bro.
Dude, I rented some shit for fucking wine and court.
During Katrina, I had an apartment or something, and we put some furniture in there.
And somebody, yeah, some dude stole, like, we had three Ottomans in that bitch, bro.
Some dude took just the Ottomans.
That was a crazy thing, you know.
You don't see a lot of just solely Ottoman theft.
Yeah, nah, I don't.
I usually take the love seat, bro.
Because who's going to lay on the floor and just put their feet up?
He must have been desperate, bro.
So that guy's a real adventure.
Yeah, I like it.
I like it.
I wouldn't even be mad at him.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're just taking the Ottoman, I ain't even.
So when people came in the door, you would show them the furniture?
Oh, yeah, bro.
Oh, my God.
If I could fuck it, that would be my dream, dude, if I showed up and you got to show me.
I had to fade back then.
My face had to be shaved.
I had to wear makeup on my hands at one point because I got my hands tattooed, which ultimately got me fired.
But I worked there for like three years.
And then we were like, we would keep in touch with each other.
He would hit me up.
And I think it was around, yeah, it was when I got fired.
I don't know if you had just graduated from Loyola, but he wanted to come and film a music video for one of my songs, which I thought he was trolling me the whole time.
He said no the first time.
Yeah, he's fucking with me.
He said no.
He's the one that convinced me.
He's like, nah, you're actually pretty good at rapping, bro.
You should take this serious.
And then from there, that's how we linked up.
We did that video.
And then G59 came about because that was like our little click back in like high school and even a little bit after high school.
We thought we were thugs, bro.
We thought we were gangsters and shit.
And everybody on the east side of Highway 59 and our color was gray.
We thought we were banging and shit.
We thought we were bad.
And a lot of those guys either died from drug overdoses or got in trouble or some shit.
But we kept the name alive by like we got together.
We're like, all right, you know, let's, let's.
The name was already there.
Yeah.
Why not make a face?
He was, yeah, Odi was the one that pointed that out.
Like, let's roll with this.
I just thought G59, Great 59 was a hard ass fucking name.
And he was already repping it.
So I figured, LinkedIn, why not just run with that?
Yeah.
You know?
Anything I missed?
I was actually going to say.
Besides your side.
No, no, no.
I was going to say it's funny because when he started making beats back in like 2008, 2009, he bought a MacBook, started making beats.
And around that time, I was getting really into like hip-hop and currency and stuff, like being from down here.
And he was telling me he was making beats.
And I was like, yo, can you show me how you do this?
Like, I would be interested in learning.
He's like, yeah, I got you.
And he's like, show me how he does it.
And he taught me how to make beats.
And it's just so funny that now we're still doing the same shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it just kind of evolved from there.
And then you start putting on shows locally.
Yeah, we would use, we would book shows on like the, in the North Shore in Baton Rouge or whatever.
Cause, all right, let me be real with you.
We knew no one was going to come.
No one knew who the fuck we were.
We were just starting out.
So we knew, we didn't expect anybody to come.
And we would use those live shows as practice to see what was going to work, what's not going to work, the things we can do to fuck with the crowd and all that stuff.
And at first, we did a lot of open mics too.
A lot of open mics.
Wow.
Open one of them.
Performing or just as comedy, though, as music.
Music.
It's like bands and rappers.
To win like $1,000.
Right, right.
Win $1,000 unlimited waste.
And on our third time we did it, we finally won.
We won it.
We just took all that money and bought t-shirts, like blanks, and then we just printed all our own t-shirts.
And we would literally text people like, want to buy one.
And then Scott would like drive it to them and deliver it.
Bro, that's still what you guys, this whole thing feels like to me.
It doesn't feel small like that, but it feels like that.
Well, dude.
Because I'll see like fonts and things.
And it's like, I don't understand it because I haven't known the music from the beginning, right?
Yeah.
So I'm like, oh, this is their world, but it's just beloved in that space, you know?
Yeah.
And it's interesting that you say that because, fuck, what did you just say?
Remind me what you just said about the.
Yeah, you would drive over the delivery.
That's all.
Oh, right.
So it is in a way that it still feels the same as our roots.
You know, obviously we're not driving t-shirts to people anymore, but Scott and I are still very much involved, very hands-on.
And I think we fucking care, dude.
this is our baby and we love it and it's loved us back and we want to take care of it.
And distancing ourselves from it because we've gained money and egos is not really something that we're interested in doing.
No.
We're very aware of that too, you know?
Yeah, this shit has saved our lives, bro.
I don't know any other force or consequence that might have been powerful enough to make us even consider to go get help and get clean.
You know what I'm saying?
Because we had something to live for.
We had something to lose.
Not just the business, not just the label, but each other.
Yeah, it's bigger than us, dude.
I mean, we employ people.
It's way bigger than me, him.
It's bigger than any of us.
I think that's something, like he just said, that we tell ourselves constantly to just keep ourselves down to earth.
And, you know, because it's easy, dude, to be successful and get caught up in yourself.
It's easy because if anything, you have to fight that shit off.
You know what I mean?
I'm sure you know, bro.
Yeah.
Well, it's a battle I've dealt with.
And some days I win, some days I lose.
For sure.
Over time, it's gotten better.
Yeah, and especially if you're hands-on, used to doing things, and that becomes a part of it because you want everything to be perfect, learning to let other people help you.
And then your ego can build without you even noticing it.
Oh, yeah.
You think like, oh, I'm just proud of myself, but that 95% of that cup could be ego.
That's bro.
It's interesting, man.
It is.
It is.
I think it's funny you say that, though, Scott, like about something saving you.
Yeah, there's a lot of times where if I didn't have to podcast, I'm like, there's some temptation that'll happen the night before and be like, I got a podcast tomorrow.
Yeah.
Or I have a show to do.
I have some responsibility.
I got to get an edit from my producers or one of them is waiting on the email from me or something or I'm waiting from them and it keeps me going.
Yeah, bro.
I would have, I would have been, you know, for a long time, I would argue that drugs kept me alive because I just, I didn't know how to live in this world.
I didn't want to live in this world at all.
But at the same time, didn't quite have the balls to take myself out.
Oh, yeah.
So I'd say that drugs kept me alive for a long time.
I mean, you know.
What made you in so much pain, you think?
Like, what was the tough part for you, you think?
Well, I think it was a mixture, dude.
I think it was, like I said, just being born.
I just feeling out of place, like something wasn't right.
Which is like a common theme with addicts.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Like I'm a large in the worlds of fucking media.
The worlds of 7XL.
Exactly.
I'm wandering around my own shirt.
I'm trying to find a neck hole.
So I think it's a, and they've done a lot of, I mean, they've done a lot of work on this and they know it's like genetics.
I won't get into all that, but, you know, part of that, and I think also, you know, the way I grew up, and, you know, when I say this, dude, I'm not, I love everyone in my family.
I'll go above and beyond for any one of them.
But, you know, everybody was doing the best they could for what they knew how to do.
But it was still tough.
You know, it was some tough shit to grow up in, you know?
So that didn't help.
But I'll tell you the biggest thing, and I'll shut up.
That way I don't get too overwinded with this because I have a tendency to do that.
But I always thought like this thing, like, okay, the drugs are not working anymore.
They're not doing it for me.
But this thing, this thing's going to do it for me.
Once we get to that place, whatever that place is in my head, whenever I get that thing, that's going to do it for me.
And then I got really suicidal when we got there, wherever there is.
And nothing changed.
And nothing changed.
I felt, now I feel worse.
Because if this don't work, what's going to do it?
And that's, you know, that's when I really started to spiral.
And for me, and I'll end it with this, the answer for me has been getting involved in the 12-step programs.
It's been more of a spiritual answer rather than the material.
Yeah, man.
I remember I was in my garage.
It was like two years, probably two years ago, man.
I was balling.
I'm talking to my brother on the phone.
I was like, nothing will save me.
It was like, I got people that'll like me.
I thought that's what was my problem.
Same.
If enough people like me, I'll like me.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it was like, fuck, man.
It makes me emotional.
It's asked backwards because you have to like yourself first and then the other stuff comes.
But it's crazy to think, man, you know, that that's kind of the way that it, that it could kind of process.
And yeah, but I see you in the rooms, man.
It gives me a lot of hope every time I see you.
Same makes you, bro.
Dude, I was going, you know, and the way you run your rooms, bro.
And not to overtalk you, but it's like, you know, you have a lot of respect of a lot of people in there.
And it's cool, man.
I've been blessed, bro.
And for you, bro, I was.
Yeah.
They taste kind of shitty.
Oh, that's all right.
You want a fresh one?
All right.
Come on, brother.
Let me at least do you that service.
Yeah, bro.
Look.
We can't be popping pills, bro.
We're going to nick it out.
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No, but Theo, I was three months sober, bro.
Just living on my own.
Just got to where I was living on my own in California, where I went got sober.
And I came across your video on YouTube.
That was my introduction to you.
And it was why I got sober.
It was that video.
And then from there, you know, I watched that video and you inspired me, bro, and you gave me hope.
And then that's when I did a deep dive on you, started watching all like your greatest hits and highlights and shit, laughing my ass off.
But that's how I came to know you.
But yeah, before we even knew each other, bro, you gave me a little bump and I needed it too with that video.
Dang, man.
Thanks, bro.
Yeah, it's crazy kind of, I think, the connection that people get going through, like, if they're using or if they're recovering.
It's like, on both sides of that, it seems like there's probably a lot of connection.
You guys could probably speak to that, huh?
You think?
What do you mean?
Like, even on the using side, there's like a level of connection that that keeps people.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that'll keep you in the act of addiction by, you know, you kind of almost, when I was buying pills and shit and snorting Roxys, I never wanted to do them alone.
And so I would share with everybody and I was making money so I could buy a bunch and I would share with people that were my friends that didn't make as much money and they were glad, happy to get free pills.
And I could like be in my dark shit, but not alone.
And I think a lot of addicts are chasing loneliness.
They're chasing, they're having trouble with self-acceptance.
And I think finding your little group of like similar drugs that you want to do together definitely makes you feel like you're safe and at home.
And then the exact opposite happens when you get off of them too.
You find your people that want to stay away from that shit and it kind of strengthens your little community that you're in.
What were some of the hot, like, what have been some of the highlights?
I mean, because you guys have a success that I think like a lot of people don't really know it in a lot of ways.
A lot of people do, but y'all aren't a mainstream thing.
Yeah.
Like, is that offensive to say to you?
It doesn't feel offensive, right?
If anything, I kind of take offense to the opposite, that people do consider us mainstream, and I don't think we are.
We are and maybe how popular we are or how many people listen to us, but you're not going to see it.
It's like the gatekeep.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, especially our fan base.
Yeah.
What does that mean when people say gatekeep?
They feel like it's their thing.
Oh, bad.
You have to deserve to be our fan.
Yeah.
It's like that, though.
You know, every fan that we meet, whether it's like we're just out and about or we run into somebody that recognizes us, ask him, and I bet you he'll back me up.
10 times out of 10, they tell me that they've listened to us since 2015.
Yeah.
Which, or they'll say, I've been listening to you guys since y'all started.
I've been in the fan since 2012.
Since I'm a lot.
I've been in seventh grade and now they're 20 something out of it.
Yeah, exactly.
But the 2015 thing is funny.
Some of them are still in seventh grade too, bro.
People know what Paris they from.
No disrespect, dude.
Hey, bro.
I did fifth twice, homie.
We've been in there, bro.
We've all done a little sense, man.
Yeah, it is.
It's their world.
That's why, even like with talking with you guys, it feels since I wasn't there from the beginning, you don't feel a little bit of, you're like, oh, this is their thing.
Even when I meet y'all's fans, it feels like that.
It feels like they're people that have feelings and they've been through something.
That's what it kind of feels like.
Y'all shows are real interesting, man, because it's such a like a, it's such a kickoff and then it's almost like running downfield the whole show.
You know, it just feels like a.
That's a good way to.
It's intense, man.
And the crowd gets going.
I mean, this is a lot going on.
You got the people up by the front, just like, almost like it's like a big lung up there.
They're just kind of like a bad thing.
He taught me this early on, man.
Like we were doing a show.
We were about to do a show in New York and only three people were showing up.
And me and some other rappers were like, fuck this.
We ain't doing this.
And he taught me a lesson early.
He's like, bro, it doesn't matter if one person shows up or thousands.
Like you give that person a show.
And ever since then, I've ran with that.
And it's like anytime I'm out there.
You did take to that.
Yeah, if these people are paying to come watch me perform, then the last thing I want to do is just sit there.
Fighting your own self.
Yeah.
And just like be still.
I don't know if that makes sense, but I want to go out there and give them energy, like give them everything I got.
And like I said, dude, worst case scenario, one person showed up.
It's a fucking practice.
Like you keep the, you don't get rusty.
You keep it going because, you know, we'll tour once a year, really, two, three months at the end of the year.
And the first few shows we do, it's, we kind of like forget what to say.
Or we'll forget certain lyrics.
We're like, fuck, dude, we've done this for 10 years.
How are we forgetting this shit?
You have to get back in the groove.
Yeah, you got to get back in the groove, man.
So you guys, now there's a new album coming out.
What is it like to like evolve?
Like, does it, is it scary to evolve?
I think about it even like in comedy and stuff.
I'm like, what the heck?
Like, you know, some of your like that listen to you, they, they listen to you at a certain age, but they're getting older too.
Some of them are all different ages.
So how do you try and apply to everybody?
I'm really glad you asked this.
That's a great question.
And how do you apply, try to also apply to yourself at the same time?
So we might have two different, I think it'll be, well, At first, I think at first we were scared to kind of change the sound up because the formula was working.
And we were worried about like introducing new stuff because what if they don't like it and this and that?
And the more successful you get, it's like the scarier it gets because you think one wrong fucking move and it all crumbles, which isn't true.
But we started experimenting, doing some like singing stuff or whatever, and people seemed to fuck with it.
And then we got to a point to where we don't, we didn't really care if they didn't like it or not.
Scott and I have been making this music for so long now that if we want to try something experimental or new, I think we deserve to at this point.
So it can be a scary thing, but I think, you know, don't fear it and just do it and see what happens.
Yeah, I think I agree 100% on everything you said.
I don't know if you went through this too, but for me on a more personal level, when I got sober, it was like I had a, like, I was so scared because I thought my drug use fueled all my creativity.
Yeah, that was definitely a thought for sure.
Yeah.
And so like for me, once I finally did start getting back into it, it was literally like learning how to walk all over again.
It is really.
And the sound did kind of change as a result of that, beat wise, production-wise.
More like less scary and sad sounding.
Yes.
So I think the evolution of our music has matched exactly.
The evolution of us.
Of us.
Yeah.
That's a great point.
That's how I look at it.
What was it like?
If you're on pills and you're deep out on pills, I never really got that out on them.
If you're like Huff and Trank or whatever, I don't even know what some of the names are, you know.
Yeah, fucking Swamp Pebbles or whatever y'all buying out here.
Just looking for anything that for nickel.
Oh, bro.
They'll have a tilapia flavored perk out here, bro.
In New Orleans, they don't give a shit, bro.
You'll have a fucking pecan crusted Xan bar out here, bro.
You're like, what the fuck?
Everybody wants to be a chef in this movie.
That's pretty funny, bro.
That's crazy, dude.
Pauline Adderall's.
Oh, you'll have a bag of char-grilled somas up here.
God damn, this place is crazy, dude.
That's pretty funny, bro.
But what was it like making music when you're under that influence?
Is it even possible to make music when you're that kind of pill high?
I don't know.
So I'm just curious, or is it just possible to just listen back?
Or do you feel any creative, was there any creativity from the actual high of that?
I don't know if we work differently because I know sometimes you would wait until after we were done to smoke.
But this was early on to smoke.
Yeah, yeah.
Weed is, I still smoke weed.
I couldn't go without it.
Ruby couldn't either.
You know what I'm saying?
So we were constantly on it all day.
So it's kind of like just feeling normal.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Yeah.
Because don't you doze off and shit?
I mean, that's like, look, how do you find yourself both awake at the same time to make a track?
When you take a Percocet first thing in the morning or whatever your oxy, whatever it is, it's going to give you a boost.
Like I'll come out of that bathroom snorting something and I'm like, what's up, motherfuckers?
Like I'm like on one.
And then as you keep dosing, at the end of the day, it's kind of like when you've, you know, you've done all day and that's when you start to kind of not off.
It's like your body's like, okay, for me, I was mixing so much stuff, so much stuff.
This kid was all over the fucking place and down.
But you can hear it in the music now.
Sometimes we go back for laughs and we'll listen to some of the shit I made when I was like in psychosis.
What would you say is the most fucked up you ever were for an album?
I want to die in New Orleans.
I think mine is.
I think mine is Stop Staring is mine.
Really?
I hate that album.
You did phenomenal on it, but I was so far gone, dude.
I was literally in psychosis from doing so much speed and downers, bro.
I thought Southwest Airlines was trying to kill me.
You told me that story once.
I thought Kyle took a life insurance policy out of me for $70,000.
This motherfucker says that, bro, that's the most New Orleans shit ever, bro.
Somebody takes a life insurance policy out for $700, bro.
Just for want to make their truck payment.
That's the fucking most New Orleans shit, bro.
I remember that.
We were in New Zealand when he told me that.
He thought that they were putting a hit out on us.
He thought like...
I'll put them through hell.
At one point, I was starting to get really impatient with it because I was tired of explaining that this insane theory wasn't actually happening.
I thought he had my phone tag.
This was one time he quit Suicide Boys on Twitter.
I don't know if you remember that.
Oh, I remember.
And at the time, he had just bought a condo in Bradenton, Florida, outside of Sarasota.
And I can't get in touch with him.
Kyle can't get in touch with him.
And we decide, let's go out there.
Let's just press him.
Let's be in person.
So long story short, we fly down there, rent a car, drive to his apartment.
And he doesn't expect us.
He doesn't know we're coming.
We go upstairs and I knock on the door.
And he's like, one second.
And I think to myself, like, man, I just flew out here.
Fucked up.
I'm not waiting a second.
I was like, bro, I'm here.
What's up?
Like, what's the problem?
And he was like, give me a second.
He had to go to the bathroom, do his little thing, catch my drift.
And then we came outside.
He was ready to talk.
And this long story to say, I was trying to like see, I was like, is he fucking with me?
Is he lying to me?
Is he thinking I'm, does he think I'm stupid?
Or does he actually believe this shit?
And is he fucking crazy?
So I had to sit him down.
I was like, bro, the Southwest thing, do you think that the board, like the people on the board of Southwest sit in a boardroom?
Southwest Airlines.
Southwest Airlines.
And they discuss how we're going to assassinate Scrim from Suicide Boys.
And he looked at me dead in the eyes, the most serious look on his face.
And he goes, yes.
And I lost my mind, bro.
I took my phone and I threw it on the, I was trying to hit the grass, but I hit the sidewalk.
The fucker sparked it.
And that pissed you off even more.
Yeah, yeah.
I thought they were trying to kill me because my brother had bootlegged one of our tracks because he was bad off on dope and sold it to this person for like 800 bucks, but actually didn't give him the song and just scammed them.
And I thought the person he scammed was the son of somebody on the board of Southwest and they were just going to take me out.
to speak on the other side of things, I'm thinking what is coming out of his mouth, is it real or not?
Come to find out the story of his brother stealing a song and selling it is true.
And I'm sitting there and I feel bad because I'm like been calling him a liar in my head and all this shit.
And then I find out it's true.
So then I'm like, all right, so is all of this true?
I still refuse to believe that the board of Southwest is meeting to discuss his assassination, but I had my brother and my family, bro.
That was a crazy fucking time.
Bro, I was very convincing.
I had fans tweeting at Southwest Airlines on Twitter.
I did.
Yeah, it was so many.
That's crazy.
But that was toward the end.
That was like when I was really spiraling.
Fuck, dude.
It's interesting, though, that you guys at least had a close enough connection because a lot of bands fall apart from that kind of stuff.
A lot of groups, a lot of teams fall apart.
Everything falls apart.
We're family.
I'm glad you're.
I don't know you know that, but we're family.
Right.
But for you to go there and want to actually just to think, let me see what's really going on.
Dude, we've never even hit each other.
Like, we've gotten in each other's faces ready to fucking beat the shit out of each other.
And we've both been able, like, you're my cousin, and I don't want to do that.
I don't want to hit you.
I fucking hate you right now, but I'm not going to touch you.
It's gone both ways.
And I'd say that the family thing, which obviously doesn't apply to everybody, but we've been able to look at the fact that we're cousins and the fact that we provide for our families, which is a shared family, as a reason to never give up on each other.
If this was just one of my friends, I don't think it would have been the same.
No.
No, no, no.
That's good that you brought that up because a lot of groups just don't make it in general.
doing business with family is usually not a smart way to go but for us I mean Yeah, I think it's just a unique situation.
Bro, we both got the same granny to answer to, and she ain't nothing nice.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, she's done.
That's a scary FaceTime me before.
Scary woman.
She done FaceTime me before being like, you making music without your cousin?
You know, that shit was like, like, pressing me.
I was like, and I'd have to call her and be like, Granny, I got it.
Yeah, yeah.
She's going to think that I'm like fucking venting to you.
Does she stay up late or no?
I don't think so.
Granny?
She's almost 80 now.
She was a bus driver for the Parish, Jefferson Parish, her whole life.
That's pretty much her whole life.
Yeah, bro.
Drove me to school from kindergarten to high school.
Dang, bro.
Real working woman, bro.
And Wagaman.
She would waghandle like grown seniors.
Oh, bro.
Yeah.
I watched her.
I'm telling you, you don't want to fuck with that lady.
Oh, she's from Wagner, bro.
Oh, come on.
Let's throw her down.
The first seat, they'll have a crock pot going in that bitch.
Yeah, bro.
Yeah, bro.
They got lunch going in.
I'll get you a pot of gum, bro.
They'll just be giving that.
That's back when the bus and I'm going to just pick up a strange on that shit.
You'd have two raccoons in a fourth row, bro.
You'd have fucking neutrial.
Anything in that bitch, bro.
Bro.
Dude, the bus people used to cut, like, it used to be like the green seat cover.
Sometimes they were green and sometimes they were black.
People would cut a little like slice in there.
People put dope all.
The bus, didn't even realize the bus the whole time was just driving dope around the fucking seat.
Damn.
I never thought of that.
Yeah, fucking bro.
People would keep everything.
They would slice in the backs of the inside of the seat was hollow.
People would keep all kinds of shit.
I was too busy.
I was too busy fingering girls in the back of the bus.
Hey, bro.
Oh, you was in the 11th row.
Yeah.
Yeah, bro.
That was really.
That was a red light district of the bus.
Randy, put it on Q93.
Q93.
Wow, Wayne.
Yeah, dude.
Remember Wild Wayne, bro?
What were some of the things they would say on there?
Q93, boys.
I remember when the Saints were going to the Super Bowl, Q93 hosted like some show at the Holland Wolf, and they had like every that year because the Saints were doing so well, everybody came out with a Saints song.
You remember that shit?
You remember that shit?
Yeah, Wild Wayne hosted this show.
There's like all these Saints rappers out there.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm trying to think.
Look up Wild Wayne, Q93.
Let's see if we could play even their intro.
I remember DJ Rowe would come on either four or five o'clock every day.
DJ Rowe in the mix.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I pitched the idea to wind the court that they need to advertise on Q93.
And they did it.
They did it.
They did it.
While Wayne, all them came in.
Yeah.
Yeah, we was bomping, bro.
That's tough.
Oh, this is 2002, bro.
It's crazy.
We were selling the shit out some furniture after that.
Did y'all, was there some moments where you guys got to connect with some local artists when y'all started coming up?
Or how did that kind of go?
Man, we gotta, I'm gonna say it, bro.
The city fucking hates us, bro.
They do.
We don't get no love.
We don't get any love from the city, not from people in the city, artists, nothing.
It's interesting.
We're not even doing a show this year in New Orleans because we don't feel love and we're kind of a little annoyed.
Yeah, we got out of every arena we went to last year, New Orleans absolutely treated us the worst.
Like garbage, dude.
Like we were, it was like they were doing us a favor.
Yeah, I was actually like mind-blown by it.
And what is it, do you think?
Yeah, what do you think some of that is?
You guys are something so different.
Right.
I don't know if that has something to do with it.
I think people get turned off by the name Suicide Boys.
And I know that Loomis doesn't fuck with us because of that.
But what a lot of people don't understand is it's not, you know, it might have started off as like a way to say stupid shit, but it's definitely become a thing that people relate to and it's become an important part of some kids' lives.
And, you know, Scott and I want people to do well.
You know, we're not like trying to like tear people down.
So it's funny how people get the wrong ideas.
I'm glad you said that because we never intended.
We never had like this grand idea or intention for it to turn into this like community and turn into what it's or like have kids being like, yo, you saved my life or like the emails that Kyle and them get.
Through fan letters.
Yeah, all sorts of shit.
So I think if people were to dig past the surface, you know, they would they would see.
But I think that also goes into like, this is bigger than us, dude.
It's real interesting, man.
I get more requests for you guys than anybody ever.
Oh, dude.
Every, if it, if it, uh, Everybody's been like, yo, y'all got it.
Yeah.
Money sign to be when they send it.
At first, I thought it was people just trying to get me to send them cash at.
I didn't know.
Sending money to OB?
Yeah, the first thousand I got.
I'm like, who the fuck is this guy, brother?
This dude, they must really be running a GoFundMe.
Yeah, B hurting.
But then, but then I was like, oh, damn, everybody wants to see these guys.
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Did you guys, did y'all watch the Poirier fight?
You guys watch UFC?
Yeah, I did this weekend.
Did you catch it?
I didn't see it.
I caught it.
I was struggling to stay up, bro.
I go to bed.
I'm like a grandpa now ever since I got sober.
I mean, it was late as hell.
We were there.
He didn't go on stage or whatever until 12. I watched it, man.
Yeah, I was rooting for him, bro.
Lafayette boy.
Yeah.
I think he did great, bro.
Me too.
He did great.
I don't even know.
Islam won?
Yeah, Islam won.
What was in it?
By a chokehold?
Yeah, but it was so close.
It was in the fourth round.
But if this was a crawfish shooting competition, you know, he would have won.
Yeah, all day.
Look, he's almost shaped like a crawfish right there.
Dustin didn't win, but I really didn't feel like he lost.
I mean, this dude, everybody thought this dude was going to roll.
I don't want to say that.
Safe to say Nick, huh?
People thought that Islam was going to beat him because he beats everybody.
And Dustin took that dude.
So he puts a good fight, bro.
Dustin is a dog, bro.
You got to be, bro.
You got to be.
And you could tell, man, it's just interesting the different ways a lot of people used to express themselves.
You know, like if it's music or comedy or art.
Well, I've gotten in, we've both gotten into training, boxing.
We've been doing that for the past couple of years.
And bro, that in itself is an art and a science and something to be respected.
So now when I watch this, I have a whole different, I grew up watching it with my pawpaw anyway.
He was a boxer, but like I watch these guys, bro, and the amount of respect I have for them just in the little training that we do.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, fuck.
It seems like these guys are built different.
Anything you watch, skateboarding, boxing, whatever it is, it seems easy.
And then once you actually get in it, you realize, oh, this is not easy.
You throw four punches in your window and you're like, how the fuck these dudes do this for nine rounds?
Oh, yeah.
This is him at the end, I think.
We can play this.
And I'm not 100%, but if this is my last fight, I wanted to dedicate this journey to the people who made me the man I am.
And that's the women in my life.
To my grandmother.
I miss you every day.
And I know I'm still protected by your prayers.
To my mother, we've had a crazy life.
I love you.
Thanks for always having my bag.
And to my wife.
I love you so much.
I wouldn't be standing right here without you.
And babe, Jolie, I don't know if I'd be breathing honestly if it wasn't for you.
And to Parker, Daddy's mine.
I love you so much.
I'm so proud of you.
We are right, baby.
What a beautiful moment, man.
Really cool.
You said that's his last fight?
I'm not sure.
He's a fighter, man.
I think the thing about him, he just like, even if you don't get the W, it's like he just, there's something about him.
He shows up to fight.
Yeah.
And that's what I think everybody can relate to.
It's like, all right, I can go fight.
You know, I can fight through another day in my life, whether it's just feeling okay or.
Well, when he was talking in the post-conference interviews, he was bringing up the uncertainty of his future.
And anytime lately, people bring that up.
It makes me think, you know, about us.
Yeah, and what's that?
I think we should just give up music, train for 10 years, and then we can put on our own headlining fight.
I'm about it.
Me versus you.
I don't want to.
We can pull like a sopranos and right as a fight's about to start.
It fades to black.
We collect our money.
Oh, yeah.
Now that's brilliant.
That's brilliant.
I'm not going to hit you, bro.
I just told them I'm not.
I'm not going to fucking hit you.
That's brilliant.
You got to fight somebody.
Maybe the yin-yang twins.
How old are they?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bro, they have one of the best Cribs episodes ever.
The Yin Yang Twins.
They're just like shouting random noises.
It's so entertaining.
Yeah, they got.
Well, the Saints took their song, wasn't it?
Yeah, I always thought that was kind of weird.
You know, some Crazy Lboys.
Kay Gates took the beat and made it into the Riela Hood.
The Hudat say the gong.
Oh, really?
Damn, Saints.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, but I think there was like some copyright issue.
Banana.
That's them.
Yeah.
That's yin-yang?
So Kay Gates took it and made it.
They made the hook of like who that, yeah.
Oh, okay.
The game, you'll hear the yin-yang twins version.
Yeah.
But New Orleans is interesting, man.
A lot of unique.
Bro, I was walking down this, this is how we even got this art.
I'm walking down the street when I saw, like, going next door to get a coffee.
I was thinking, man, it would be cool if we had some neat art.
There's a dude sitting outside blazing with his homie.
Yeah.
Oh, shit, it's Louis Armstrong, I think.
Or somebody.
It's a jazz player.
This dude, Tyrell Shaw.
And this is his art, man.
And he's like, I was like, dude, I'm about to cap the suicide boys.
You want to put a piece in?
That's cool.
He's like, yeah, man.
That's fire that you put them on like that.
I respect that.
They're supporting local art, baby.
It's kind of like what that's the thing about New Orleans.
I mean, you could walk half a block.
You'll see talent in the streets.
You'll see talent.
You'll either get, yeah, you'll either disappear in a pothole.
We got no love.
We'll disappear in a pothole.
We was handing out mixtapes and them bitches was going in the trash.
Actually, I'm going to tell the LSU story.
Yeah.
And Scott, when we first started recording and making music, really first attempting to do this shit, we made a CD for him, a mixtape for him.
We got it printed, made 500 of them.
I made the cover for him.
La la la.
We go, what are we going to do with this?
Let's go to shows and colleges.
Let's go hand this shit out.
Old school days.
And this is also like in 2013.
So we're going to old school.
We go to LSU campus.
We're staying with my brother because he's going to school there at the time.
Wow.
See, all the niggas will hand shit out.
Oh, yeah.
And we go in like that big part of the campus where like all the traffic, all the people are walking by.
It's like in between classes.
Me and Scott hanging out CDs.
Like, oh, you fuck with rap.
Check this out, whatever.
Bro, first of all, all them CDs ended up in the trash.
Like every fucking one.
We turned around three feet away from us as the CD on the ground.
But the funniest thing that happened that day was, I love this part.
It was some girl, this like nervous freshman heading to class, bunch of books in her bag.
You can tell she's like kind of on edge.
She's riding her bike and she comes in front of me and Scott and rolls over his shoe.
And Scott, well, we both do, but Scott loves white shoes.
You know, the thing with white shoes is don't fucking scuff them.
Like, keep them clean.
And don't ride a bike over him.
Don't ride a bike over him.
And he flipped out and I'm just like laughing the whole time because I just thought it was funny.
But he was like, what the fuck?
And this girl looks so scared, bro.
You got to understand.
This motherfucker still looked like this too back then.
And she took off, bro, did not look back.
And I'm just like dying laughing like the white shoes, man.
He's like, I'll floor your whole fucking house, lady.
I lost count of how many fights I got in growing up over stepping on people's shoes, bro.
That's how we met.
That's how me and Kyle met at Fountain Blue because this dude was cutting the line.
I stepped in his way.
It was exam week.
I was starving.
It was chicken tender.
Man, it's chicken tender day.
Yeah, it's a chicken tender day.
That's the biggest day.
He's cutting the line with his homies.
I'm like, nah, this ain't happening today, bro.
I step in the way.
I step on his shoes.
And then, you know, next thing I know, I'm fighting him, both of his sisters who were built like linebackers and a couple other guys.
A lot of shouldery women in that area.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's how me and Kyle, that's how we got, that's how we met.
He was like, yo, come over with us from here.
You went to Fountain Blue.
So check this out.
When I first moved up there.
I love this.
I was.
Because it's in St. Timothy Paris.
Yeah.
So look, I grew up on the West Bank, bro.
Henry Ford, I'm used to.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I just want to set you up.
Yes.
You know this, but for our audience, you know, the Mandeville is the area of like the families that wear all white and take family portraits at the beach.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's fancy.
That's the vibe.
Yeah, yeah.
So my back continues.
Thank you for that.
And West Bank is definitely different, bro.
There's a lot of places.
Way grinding.
We're doing what we got to do to get by.
Yeah, way grind of a fucking, yeah.
You'll have somebody get buried in an oyster house over there.
They got a couple cuties over there in tall timbers.
I know that.
But otherwise, you know, it gets a little bit, you never know, bro.
You'll have a dude have his eyes taken out of a couple dice put in.
100%.
100%.
Yeah, all day.
So Scott's coming from that area.
I'm moving.
Scott's moving in.
Our neighborhood's getting really bad.
We just had my youngest brother, my dad's like, all right, I'm getting the family up out of here.
Move to Lacombe right by Mandeville.
So I go to Fountain Blue, right?
I show up there.
I got cornrows in.
I got big, tall T. Remember Tall T's?
I had the big, tall T on.
I had some Jabots.
It's about as baggy as these pants.
Oh, Lord.
And my bus driver was black.
And even him, when I walked in the bus, he said, what the fuck are you doing?
So alien just landed, bro.
That's the first thing this man tells me on my first day of school to ever get on the bus, five in the morning.
He said, what the fuck are you doing?
That's a long shirt you was in, too.
So I'm like, Scott got on the shirt.
It took a few more seconds.
The shirt got on.
It did.
Somebody behind him like, yeah.
So I sit down and I'm like, then I get to the school.
It's 2,000 white kids, bro.
Oh, yeah.
So you want to talk about culture shock?
I was like, I thought I landed on another planet.
So did they.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good point.
Bro, no one talked to me for a year.
Oh, I could see that.
I was by myself for a year.
And it took me getting into a fight for Kyle and them to be like, all right, you good.
Come on.
Damn.
And then that's, yeah.
That is a way to prove yourself.
That's the first time you're going to fist around, you know?
Yeah.
There's something about walking around a school when nobody talks to you that you create this own universe in your head.
Oh, yeah.
My high school.
No, it's like a first-person gang.
It's like, you know, you're living in a first-person shooter world.
Yeah.
It's true.
I was going to say, he had that experience.
My experience in high school, I went to Jesuit.
It was all boys, Catholic, prep school, whatever.
And I definitely did not fit in in that school.
To this day, if I know you went to Jesuits.
See, when I say I went to Jesuit, people are like, what?
You went to Jesuit?
And I got involved with drugs early.
I was like 14. Earlier than me?
Yeah.
I was actually going to say that story too.
I was like 14 and I started, I was like, I'm going to try it all because I just tried weed and it wasn't as bad as they said it was.
So I'm going to try it all.
I'm going to fuck bitches.
I'm going to do crack.
All that shit.
I did it all.
Oh, yeah.
I love how those did it too.
That's the crazy thing.
Fuck bitches are smoking crack.
he did.
Which is funny because those two things really don't go together, actually.
But anyway, I like spread this rumor about myself.
I was snorting heroin on my desk in geometry class.
Oh, yeah.
And I did it because I got off to like how everybody thought I was crazy.
Yeah.
And I liked it.
I liked people thinking I was crazy.
So I let the rumor spread.
And when they got back to me, it was like, oh, Adi slangs crack downtown to pay for his high school, la la la.
That's like what they were saying about me.
That's pretty cool.
And I confirmed all of this.
Pay for your own way to private school.
Why would I do that?
First of all, second of all, I confirmed it all.
I was like, yep, all that's true.
And let me tell you something, bro.
No one fucked with me.
Like everyone let me be.
They thought I was cool, whatever.
And that was my way of like getting all those guys to fuck off.
It's entrepreneurial.
Yeah.
Yeah, that dude is.
Okay.
That dude is.
It's always been like.
It's also like doing the most for like what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a fun time, though, bro.
Yeah, we used to always hear stories about Lil Wayne driving to school.
Did y'all hear that story?
Uh-uh.
That little Wayne, like, somebody got him a car when he was 14. He didn't even have a license.
I believe it.
And he would drive to school when it was like a hum or I don't know whatever, whatever was hot at the time.
Fucking prowler.
Yeah, something like that.
And he would drive and park by the teachers and shit.
And nobody said nothing.
Yeah.
That was like a rumor that we always heard.
Shit, that dude was famous since he was 14. This shit's crazy.
And in juvenile, they used to have a rumor he chased a woman with an ice pick.
That wasn't a rumor, I'm pretty sure it was.
It's my north school.
Yeah, in the neighborhood I live in.
I remember like, so as a result of that, he's named a road after him, bro.
Check this out.
When they found out I was moving in, the whole HOA had a meeting about a rapper.
Oh, just recently.
No, when I first moved into that neighborhood a couple years ago, they had a meeting about whether or not we like this rapper moving in.
But I mean, little do they know that.
I mean, dude, I'm so low-key, bro.
It happened to us, too, when we had recently moved to Florida, too.
Yeah, and they found out these two rappers were moving into the neighborhood.
They threw a fucking fit, bro.
They were not having it.
And then we moved in.
They realized we like are quiet, nice, friendly guys.
I was like picking up my neighbor's kid from his school.
Yeah, bro.
Well, I think there's been a history of like, I mean, you had like when I was in college, Master P would come over to the rec center and shoot ball.
Oh, really?
And he would come with Silk and he would come with Silk.
He would come with, Silk's still in jail, isn't he?
No, See Murder's still in jail.
See Murder.
See Murder would come with him.
And they would have all kind of guys over there.
But then some of those, yeah, like See Murder went to jail.
You had Juvenile went to jail for a while.
Then he BG went to jail.
I think there's so much history of a lot of New Orleans rappers, like Mystical went to jail.
Oh, yeah.
So you have a lot of that culture.
I think it probably.
Damn, I didn't even put all that together.
How many New Orleans?
He was fearful for a lot of guys.
You know, Boosie was in jail for- Like, what, five years?
Four years?
Yeah, eight, I think.
Maybe seven.
Eight?
God damn.
I mean, when you think about that.
That's why Boosie moved out.
That's why she was in jail for like a decade.
Oh, yeah.
Well, my dad was really.
Yeah, BG was like.
His dad told us a story about his dad was in St. Tammany, and so was BG.
And apparently, BG one day just got fed up.
Because imagine being a rapper, you go to jail.
How many people are trying to freestyle to you?
Oh, my God.
You know, like put me on, whatever.
And apparently.
Put me on and I'm in jail.
Yeah, downstairs.
Just walking in here, they were doing it.
There you go.
Exactly.
So apparently, BG one day makes an announcement to everybody saying, if one more motherfucker comes up to me and freestyles, I'm going to have a big problem.
And they said, okay, bet.
And they just beat the shit out of him anyway or something like that.
I don't know.
Your dad was in St. Tammany?
Yeah, he was in St. Tammany.
For like eight months, ten months, something?
Six?
Six?
I think six months.
It was a DUI.
He shot your first video like that week he got out.
He got out.
Yeah, it was so fucking crazy.
It was like his first day out video type shit.
Did you guys's success give him any clout in the pen, did he say or anything like that?
That was way after.
Yeah, that was before.
That was like actually right before we linked up and stuff.
Do y'all see that Rick Ross car show, man?
No, I know he's been.
Yeah, I know he puts one on.
He put one on in his front.
You trying to go?
I think it just happened.
I saw that boostie before.
Look at this.
I got to put my prescription on.
That's his cars?
No, people bring their cars, bro.
So they say, hey, to buy tickets to go to this.
Oh.
They probably got some crazy whips out there.
Bro, there's a couple.
Damn.
This is Miami.
It looks like Atlanta, maybe?
Yeah, there's one.
Damn.
That's pretty wild.
I've never seen any like that before.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
You see, you get the one with the horses, bro.
When you roll in, they got...
I think that's a van at Holy Fields.
Oh, what is that?
A fucking Ferrari?
Yep.
Just as a horse trough?
What the fuck, bro?
They got horses eating strays.
Hey, out of Ferraris, bad.
Out of a horse, yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's more of a horse.
Or people just be thinking how to flex.
That's horsepower right there.
Bro, that's, yeah, that's kind of like a wild.
That's a people be coming up with the craziest ways.
You have to now.
You have to.
How much bigger can chains get?
How much more expensive can your cars be?
You gotta start doing crazy shit.
Yeah, look at this guy.
All these speakers.
This dude, this was wild looking.
Bro, is that that fucking Toyota?
You know what I'm talking about those SUVs?
Yeah, that's FJ.
FJ, yeah.
That's crazy.
Damn.
With the dolphins colors.
Dude, my dad used to have a cutlass.
My dad bought a cutlass from a couple brothers that live around the corner from us when I was a kid.
I've told this story before, but I only have so much stories.
And my dad was probably 80 years old at the time, right?
So he buys this bitch that had 22s in the trunk, right?
He has no idea.
He can't even fucking hear.
So, bro, he was.
Subs?
Huh?
Yeah.
22s?
Bro, that's fucking huge.
Oh, bro.
It was huge, bro.
He got trunk clothes, bro.
The dude had to get rid of it quick, bro.
So my dad ended up with it, dude.
And he would take us to school, bro.
What the fuck?
Bro, my brother got braces and bitches.
Fucking shit.
What were y'all listening to?
NPR radio.
Fuck.
The news, bro.
Clap, clap, clap.
80, 80% chance reward.
That thunder hit, though.
That thunder hit with him 22, bro.
Dude, on Q93, though, it would be crazy because even the weather was like, we got a 30% chance of it being hot as a motherfucker.
It would always be like, you'd be like, yeah, this is an adventure, bro.
It might be raining, bitches.
Y'all stay woke.
It was always like the weirdest weather report on Q93, man.
Yeah.
Little bounce beat going behind.
Oh, yeah, it would always be something, bro.
And B97, that was another one they had before that.
B97 was more like top 40, but like because it was New Orleans, they also did some hop away shit.
Wasn't Mark involved in B97?
Kyle's dad was GM.
And who's here with you today just so I noticed we can reference something?
Yeah, yeah.
This is our management, Kyle and Dana.
Kyle and Dana.
Yeah, nice to see you guys, man.
Respect.
As much as they try to stay behind the scenes, we always make sure they get seen in the times.
But y'all's whole world is like that, man.
Everything is what I'm saying.
It just feels like it's indie.
But not in a bad way.
It feels like, yeah, it just feels like it's y'all's world.
It is.
Just even that little thing right there.
It's like a lot of people don't have their man coming.
If they do, yeah, they're in a suit or something.
And it just feels like it's.
It's family to us, bro.
Everybody around us.
We've been through so much with these guys.
Our four-person team right here.
Yeah, like some feel like Will Smith was going to come on.
Come on.
But he had some issues.
What was it?
There was things where we couldn't, like, just you couldn't ask about it.
You know, so it was almost like then you're just an advertisement for a movie or something.
You not want to ask, like, talk about the slap.
Yeah, or even you couldn't even ask.
And I wouldn't have said, like, hey, what do you hit a guy or something?
I would be like, maybe what's been going on in your life that's been hectic for you the past couple years?
You know, just talk about like what makes you feel like that.
Yeah.
I don't need to know like the detail.
It just seemed like he would be having a tough time probably.
Yeah.
Unless something was going on between them guys.
But a lot of times, too, it's the agents that'll say that shit.
And the artists or whatever don't have any clue.
It's just how they want to control and pro and us, dude.
We talk all the time.
Everybody's on the same page because a lot of things didn't happen because of communication being fucked up.
And from all of us, we all have dropped the ball at some point a little bit with communication.
So now, you know, the four of us, that is the most important thing is communication and trust.
It's like any fucking relationship.
Doesn't matter if it's professional, romantic.
It's hard to find people to trust, bro.
It really, I have a lot of trust issues.
I've been fucked over a lot in many ways.
So I'm grateful that I have him and I. Y'all went to high school together and shit.
Yeah.
It's my best friend.
Kyle's my best friend.
I mean, we're all brothers now, but me and Kyle were best friends since high school.
Shit out of that guy from the shop.
Yeah, yeah.
He helped wash them bike tires off your shoes.
But, bro, we wouldn't.
I mean, we were doing our thing and they helped take us to another level.
You know what I'm saying?
It really is.
Only good things can only happen with a group effort.
It's definitely.
Kanye said something not that long ago, man, where he's like, something, I'm going to mess it up, but something to the effect of like, nothing's a solo project.
Nothing is a solo project.
You know, like, nothing's a solo, to your point, you know what I'm saying?
Like, it takes a team of people.
I believe that.
And even then the team of people to absorb it and listen to it and want to feel it.
Yeah.
You know, because it's interesting that listeners of things and even us, when we listen to stuff, we get a whole different thing out of it than the creator gets.
It's kind of wild.
That's actually a good point, Theo.
And I don't think that point gets brought up enough either because the listeners or the audience rather is just as important part of what the fuck we do and what you do.
That doesn't get brought up a lot, I think.
Yeah, because you could be a good chef, but if nobody's enjoying it, then you're fucking served.
Nobody thought they licking their lips or whatever.
Or putting a little bit in their napkin for the dobum and at home or whatever, bro.
Put some Zatarans on it.
Oh, we used to have a lunch lady, bro.
She'd take everything.
Bro, you wouldn't even be done.
She'd be like, I'm going to get this for my dog.
I'd be like, I ain't even have to do it.
Can I have my crust back?
I'm about to put a fur coat on and fucking hang out on your porch.
Then I'm fucking starving.
Because she'd come take it off your plate before you even got to eat.
That's too funny.
But you guys love New Orleans.
Are you guys featured in a lot of you guys' videos and stuff?
You know, it's obviously like a part of your life that you, so even if you haven't felt like as much of a fan base here, you guys still have a lot of love for Louisiana.
Yeah.
I mean, dude, I think we both have a lot of love for just the Gulf Coast in general.
This is the region we're from.
We're comfortable here.
Shaped who we are.
Yeah.
A lot of our personality style.
Sure.
All of that.
But yeah, I mean, dude, New Orleans, and someone told us this early on.
This is when, so basically, if I had a, if I can give you a visual presentation, we were trying to go like this, start local, build regional, go like that.
And someone informed us, I'm grateful they did.
This is when SoundCloud started popping.
Internet rappers like, you know, Young Lean Bones, Zay, when he was Etherwolf, all that was popping off.
And someone was like, you basically got to attack the internet because everybody here knows who you are.
You know what I'm saying?
Johnny sees you at the gas station three times a week buying cigarettes.
Like, he ain't really buying what you're selling.
Whereas when you go through the internet, and that's what we did, you know, we were able to create this thing where we got popping in all these other places first.
And it literally started from like Russia and then came back to New Orleans.
New Orleans was the last place.
The advice was don't go local to international.
Do the internet and attack an international crowd first because your hometown is going to be the last place that fucks with you.
And it's true because people don't fuck with us.
That's true.
That's.
But yells, it's so interesting because there's a lot of New Orleans in it.
There's a lot of New Orleans in it.
Dude, it shaped us.
Me and him, bro, we like worshipped cash money.
We loved hot boys.
We wanted to be Lil Wayne.
Lil Wayne was a huge influence on both of us.
And I would argue that Master P is a huge inspiration to me and him.
How that motherfucker started a label, had a rapping career, almost made it to the NBA.
Yeah.
Was putting his son in Nickelodeon shows.
He was making movies.
This motherfucker is a Renaissance man.
Oh, he was one of the first kind of black.
He was kind of an urban parry.
Tom and Perry to everybody, especially from this area.
He's like worth like 600 mil, bro.
He was a huge inspiration to us.
Somebody that could just achieve all that.
And especially from being from Calio Projects.
If we're not from the Calio Projects, what's our excuse of not making it?
You know what I mean?
This guy went from literally rags to riches.
Big inspiration on us.
Big reason to us.
A big inspiration behind doing the label rather than just focusing solely on suicide.
That's a good point.
That was why we did G59.
Yeah.
It was because of cash money and no limit.
And then how do you get like, is Cheddar on G59?
Yeah.
Okay.
And Cheddar, Nylavelle.
Germ Shake.
Germ Shake Ramirez.
Okay.
About five artists, six including ourselves.
Yeah.
And so a lot of those guys will tour with you.
I know Cheddar toured the last tour that I saw, he was on.
2021.
Yeah.
So.
This year we're taking Shake Way.
We try to switch it up.
Every tour, you know.
And also set those guys up.
But they do a great job of setting those guys up on their own tours so they get their own shine.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, Cheddar just came out with an album.
Yeah.
What's it called?
Sacrifice and Sabotage.
Yeah, man, he's great, bro.
He's a good dude, bro.
I love him, man.
He and I have become pretty close.
Yeah, he's a good dude.
He's a hard worker.
He is.
He's got a big heart, bro.
He's the only person besides me that I know that works.
Oh, he's a hard worker.
As much as I do, bro.
He gets it in.
We try to show the boys love, and we've taken them on Gray Day and stuff, but with the other artists on our label, we try to take them on tour, but also, like he said, set them up on their own tours because it's important, bro, anything in this world that you get through hard work is going to be yours to keep for a very long time.
But anything that was handed to you that you got very easily, it's not going to last very long.
So it's important that these guys grind.
We're behind them.
We support them and push them to grind and make your own audience.
You can borrow some of ours, but I don't want that for you because it's not going to last long.
I want you guys to have your fans that you earned and I want it to be as big as it possibly can.
And whatever we can do to do that, we will.
But I don't think the shortcut of just giving it to you is going to work.
It's not going to work.
Yeah, yeah.
And a lot of it's inspiration.
No, it won't.
That's a good point, too.
And a lot of it is even if you're just other artists you're around each other, you inspire each other.
Like you're like, oh, I'm learning from this beat or this thing or like, oh, this is cool.
Or wow, look what he brought in.
And that's, you know, it's definitely like you guys' own, it's almost your own galaxy or something or your own like solar system y'all have going on.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's interesting, man.
What, so yeah, what is going to be different about the new music?
What do you feel like if you had to be specific about it?
Bro, I think Scott agrees with me.
But sometimes when we make albums or projects and we don't really like it, I don't know how to explain this.
There's been projects that we put out that we thought were great and we wanted to do all these things for it.
And like they were great projects and they did their thing and like they came and went.
But there's been a couple where we didn't even think about it.
And I don't know.
I have this weird feeling that this album is going to be huge.
Yeah.
And I'm not just saying that to promote it or whatever.
I'm not really one for self-promotion, but we both have this weird feeling like, it's like when we don't try is what I'm trying to say.
Oh, yeah.
When we don't try, we make a fucking masterpiece.
But when we're trying too hard, we make like some try-hard shit.
Yeah.
It doesn't sound as good.
Try-hard shit.
That's such a good term, man.
Yeah, that is good.
Because sometimes we'll work on a clip or something.
It's like after we kicked it, you can just tell like, man.
We force it.
Yes.
We just try to shine this to or get it, you know, do something and then we mess it up.
Go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to, you know, it gets like we never wanted to be in a box.
We said that from the beginning.
We wanted to be able to make whatever we wanted to make at any time.
But as you grow, as you grow a fan base in this community, they have expectations, you know.
Luckily, I feel like a lot of them have grown with us.
There's still some of those out there that still suicide balls was better in 2015.
You were better when you were on drugs, whatever.
But to his point, this is my favorite album.
Same.
I feel like I say that a lot, but like Kyle always says he's like, dude, y'all just get better and better and better.
I don't understand it either.
I'm 35 years old.
I'm like, you know what I'm saying?
I should be retiring soon.
But I do think one thing that has helped, you know, Suicide Boy sometimes can feel like a job because there's deadlines.
There's like, we got to get it done.
There's expectations.
I think one thing that has helped like release the valve a little bit and like let some of the pressure off.
He's been doing Duck Boy, which is like his little, going back to his roots and doing his band stuff and experimenting and being able to be free.
And same with me.
I've been able to experiment with some sound solo wise.
And then when we do that, I feel like we feel refreshed.
We feel loose.
And then when we come back to SB, you know what I'm saying?
Actually excited.
Yeah.
The pressure.
I don't know.
I don't know how to explain.
Well, you still feel like an individual, I think, because there's something that I'm sure once you're in a group that part of the individuality, it's there, but it's partnered with something.
So to be able to develop yourself more and then bring it to anything is probably pretty cool.
And to still remind yourself that you can develop as an individual.
Absolutely.
I bet that's interesting.
Is there collabs and stuff on this?
No.
No, we never really big on collabs.
Right.
You guys don't do a lot of it.
So I was just wondering, is it something you guys ever think about or do people reach out about it?
We were supposed to do something with Ski Mask recently.
But the thing is, dude, if you don't catch us when you catch us, you're going to be waiting another year.
Because we move quick.
And if you pass it up, then like, bro, we can't rewind and go back.
We have a lot of shit on our own plates that we have to get done.
That is the hardest part about COVID.
It's kind of like how it happens.
It's like getting it back in time.
You know what I'm saying?
Like getting it done.
I think it's best whenever we do joint projects, like we did with Germ, Shakewell, when we all get in a room together and we're able to just like pound it out for a week or two.
And we just lock ourselves in the room for a week and knock it out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love listening to ShakeWell, dude.
Shake Well, he's so entertaining, bro.
Yeah, bro.
Yeah.
He was out watching that.
He was in that movie.
Between him were in that movie, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was thinking about that yesterday.
Oh, we hung out together for like probably two weeks.
Bro, that's a solid fucking dude right there.
He's awful.
So nice.
And just so, like, I love how excited he gets when he like gets kind of some information.
He's kind of telling you something.
you know like it's a Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
He's just such a warm guy.
Yeah.
And very talented.
So talented, man.
I watched.
They have that video.
I think it's with Puya.
It's like one.
It's all shot in one.
Scrubs.
Yeah.
The guy's just like that.
That was really Shaquille's kind of coming out to the world right there.
That was like his.
Yeah, it's old.
It's old.
Bitch, I've been to Scrubs since day one.
The best.
There's a comment on it, too.
It's like, imagine you just going in to pay for gas and you get stuck behind making a rap.
That's funny.
But it was great, man.
And all you want is 20 on pump four and the dude's ahead of you making rap.
It was so good.
Pull that credit card out.
But yeah, man, when he gets those braids, he's got that Native American look in him a little bit.
Because he's part Mexican, isn't he?
He's half Mexican.
Yeah.
Fucking cool.
He has that it factor to him.
You know what I'm saying?
You can have all the talent in the world, but you got to have that it factor.
Shake, you can tell it just comes naturally to him.
Yes.
Shake had a background in the hardcore world, playing bass in that band Betrayal and shit, that like metal rock hardcore shit.
So he had experience in music and playing shows.
And I met him.
We both met him when we went to LA for the very first time.
We go to Fat Nick and Krez's crib.
There's like within, I don't know, a couple hours, it's a party all of a sudden.
And in LA, I think it just kind of happens.
Every plans.
So we must have met 30 fucking people that night.
I don't remember a single one of them until I, Shakewell was one that was consistent, like consistently hanging around Puya and stuff.
And then we were like, oh, you make music too?
And when people tell you that and you like have a little success with music, you kind of, you don't really know where the boundary is.
Like, are they going to want me to listen to it?
And like, am I going to like it?
Yeah.
But his shit was fire.
And, you know, we kept our eye on him for a long time.
Did you guys ever tour in any of the same circles as guys like Mac Miller, Lil Peep, those guys?
It's so fucking weird that you bring that up.
We were just talking about this yesterday.
We did a festival once in Sweden called Bravala back in 2017, our first European run.
And that festival is not a festival anymore because too many dudes were groping chicks like sexual assault style.
Watch it, dudes.
Yeah, watch it guys.
We actually had to cut the show short a couple of times to tell them, back up, stop trying to grab titties.
Anyway, Mac Miller was at this festival, and that was the first time we met him and kind of kicked it with him a little bit.
We also met Lincoln Park that day, too.
Met Chester and Mike, and Chester committed suicide a month after that.
It was insane.
Met Sway Lee, too.
Met Sway Lee that's a bit more.
That's dope, huh?
Yeah.
He's a cool guy.
He's a guy that's like, bro, imagine me.
We met Chester.
Like, nobody fucks with us.
And I'm walking and I hear, hey, Scram.
And like that high-pitched voice.
I turn around and Sway Lee.
So I'm just, you know, in that moment, like, what the fuck is going on?
It's pretty surreal.
It was one of those moments, meeting all them people, where I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this?
Because we don't get the nod from a lot of industry artists or artists in the industry, rather.
So we're always coming back by this.
But some of it, you enjoy that, probably, right?
Like it's probably good here than you're doing our own shit.
I still work every day like I'm broke.
I'm in the studio every day.
I got this chip on my shoulder that I can't get off.
And that's part of it.
What do you think that has to do with sobriety?
A little bit.
I think 100%.
Because I got like that, dude.
I would wake up at 1 p.m.
on a Wednesday, like it was nothing.
I didn't give a shit.
And now I can't sleep late.
If I'm not cleaning the house or doing something productive, I feel like a fucking piece of shit.
I think sobriety is a big point.
I think I fell in love with my work.
You know, I don't have a wife or nothing yet or anything, but I think my first love is my work.
It's like, and I remember back to relationships I was in, I would get home with my girl would have gone and done something like, and then next thing I know, I always remember I'm on my computer.
I'm doing something.
Yeah.
And she's like waiting to watch a show together, watch a movie or make some popcorn.
And then after a while, she's gone.
Yeah.
Just sitting there.
Yeah.
I've been in a relationship now almost four years.
And it's to your point, she was like, she respects it.
You know, she knows how I am.
She knows how I work.
She respects it.
I can see how it would get frustrated from the female point of view.
She was like, can you at least just start taking the weekends off and hanging out with me?
And I was like, yeah, you got a point.
I can do that.
Recently, I had to start like cutting off work at like six o'clock, seven o'clock for the West Coast because with this job, whatever you want to call it, there's no hours.
It's not a nine to five.
Things can pop up at 1 a.m.
Things could pop up any day of the week and you don't know when or where it's coming from.
So I kind of, for myself, had to set something up to where it's like after six, it can wait till the fucking morning.
Yeah.
Unless it's an emergency.
But I had to put that limit on myself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't realize.
Yeah, you kind of just start to think, oh, I just have to work, but it's not really true.
It's your own choice.
And then you wonder, why am I going fucking crazy?
Oh, because I have too much shit on my plate.
I'm trying to do too many things at once.
And again, I would attribute that to sobriety.
But all you guys' stuff is very hands-on.
It's like even all your merch, the way it looks, it's like, yeah, it all like, just like the fonts, it's all very specific to you guys' world.
Our merch available next week.
You're seeing two exclusive pieces.
Really?
I want those.
This is from the album.
I'll give you this one when I leave.
Crazy.
I got a shirt in the car too, if you want.
Oh, I'll fuck.
Yeah.
What size do you wear?
Probably.
Large or XL?
High M, the XL.
Okay.
It's a high M?
Yeah.
A medium of the shit.
It's not a large.
It's a big medium.
What's the fuck's a big medium?
Kind of like a Toledo medium.
I heard a schmedium.
I ain't never heard of a big medium.
A big medium.
I ain't never heard of a major medium, but never imagined.
Let me get them big mediums.
Dude, I remember one time, bro.
We used to make shirts before the Saints games, right?
So it was like we would get them printed.
Oh, my sister had made love to some dude or whatever, and that shit fell apart.
And he left in the settlement or whatever, she got like 350 black t-shirts, right?
Damn, what?
Yeah, like what?
Large ones.
So let's just, you know, double XLs.
You know what I'm saying?
Fucking those brother.
That's how I rock it.
Talk to you.
Yeah, yeah, brother.
He's got Fountain Blue debut, too.
Yeah, I still rock it like that.
Yeah, that Fountain Blue.
It's like a Fountain Blue homecoming dress.
That's what it is.
For men or women.
That's what she got in a settlement?
Yeah.
That's pretty wild.
So she got 300 of them bitches.
So, and she and I were living together off of Clavering.
So we're like, damn, bro, we got to make some fucking money, you know?
And so we got some Saints search printed up with the Saints shit on it.
So it was illegal.
We couldn't have it.
Oh, yeah.
So we're walking before the Saints games just with the ice chest and shit.
I quit comedy for about maybe nine months.
And we're walking and trying to sell them bitches.
And some dude, angry dude, came up and tried to order a couple big mediums.
Big mediums.
That's what he said?
Yeah.
We tried to help him, bro, but he wasn't willing to negotiate his perspective of a medium.
Right, right, right.
Can I put an M in front of this L?
You know what I'm saying?
He wanted to fuck it.
Yeah, he was, yeah, he was negotiating from a real unique animal.
An ex-medium.
What a guy.
I'd like to meet him.
My girlfriend would walk around.
I know she was so embarrassed.
Not embarrassed.
She was supportive, but she was like, this dude's got to get a fucking job.
Sound like my dad, bro, when we were early on.
He's like, you running up my fucking AC Bill.
You running up.
Oh, yeah, dude.
When this shit's going to work, you need to go get a fucking job.
About music, you mean?
Yeah, this was just.
Because we were like in the studio.
The studio we had was a little, one of those, you know, them sheds you can buy at Home Depot?
And, like, set up.
It was like back in 2000.
Brian with the plywood went styles.
This was like, what's the fake plywood paneling or whatever?
Yeah, something like that.
The plastic with shedwood.
My mom did hair in there and then, you know, she quit doing it.
We turned it into a studio.
So I was living there on the couch.
We were working in there.
He'd come up like three, four days out the week and sleep.
Everything before I Want to Die was made in there.
Yeah.
Everything.
Yeah.
Even some of I Want to Die was.
Some of it was made in there.
Fucking King Tulip.
That place is legendary.
But yeah, he was bitching at me, bro.
He's like, bro, you got to go get some fucking money, dude.
Cause you're running my shit up.
It's funny.
You got people eating my fucking pantry out and shit.
Oh, yeah, bro.
I don't think I always say that.
Well, you know, coming from here, bro, they think of Hollywood.
They're like, man, this fucking pipe.
Like, go to the shipyard, bro.
Get a job.
Got a real job.
Go to the shipyard.
Yeah.
Go through.
My mom used to always tell us to get a paper ride or whatever.
Yeah.
I'm like, everybody goes missing in this neighborhood.
But yeah, I'm trying to think of the jobs we would get, man.
I would just work in my dad's restaurant.
Oh, Snowball Stand, bro.
How many families in New Orleans have fallen apart over joint-owned snowball standards?
I don't know, bro.
Someone should look into that.
People down here take them things fucking seriously, bro.
Depending on like the style of shaved ice it is, the quality of the syrup.
People take that shit mad serious down here.
Yeah, like we get the syrup fresh from Italy, people saying all kind of bullshit or whatever.
You'll have somebody out of state being like, oh, a snow cone.
And people are like, uh-uh.
It's a snowball.
Like, they get very defensive.
It's a snowball, bruh.
Yeah.
Yeah, bro.
It's a snowball.
My buddy Thomas McAluso used to go to Jesuit Iberman.
That sounds so familiar.
He used to make fake IDs, and he was always telling us.
McAluso's like a big New Orleans name, I think.
His brother's a cop.
Fucking T-Mac.
He's the best, bro.
Damn, I just.
And he had a snowball stand, then he opened up an Italian restaurant.
That's a total fucking...
Right there.
There you go.
Snowball stand, an Italian restaurant.
Oh, yeah.
That also does Po Boys.
Oh, for sure, bro.
You could get a snow cone on French bread if you want, bro.
They do pickle juice in the snowballs.
That's a flavor thing.
It's a West Bank thing.
They'll do pickle juice.
I like it.
People do everything, dude.
Bag shrimp on the side of the road, strawberry.
I can't tell you how many crawfish shells I see just scattered around.
I thought we were going to do this.
Check them by.
Do this shit in the woods.
I don't even talked about it.
I thought about it.
It's too hot.
It was so hot, bro.
It was so nice, too.
Yeah.
We'll have to catch it.
But we got the streetcar going by.
Oh, yeah.
This is good.
We were in here last night for a couple hours.
These guys were in here.
The vibes are right.
We wanted to make it nice for you guys, man.
So this tour, where will you guys go?
Like I know like you guys would go abroad and stuff like that, but like are there new places you add or they're Hot Pockets?
You said Russia was one of the places that That's one of the first places we ever went.
That's crazy.
2016.
2005, 16. From fucking Laplace to Russia, bro.
Pretty much.
We like brought my dad with us because- He was our DJ, bro.
Not only that, but we didn't want to go to Russia dolo because we were worried about like customs.
And dude, we had really had no experience traveling.
If y'all show up in Russia, immediately I will put y'all, dude.
Oh, dude.
Till we all make one Britney Grinder.
It was sketch, bro.
I remember two things.
One, my dad ended up being the DJ, and it was funny because we had Scott's MacBook.
Didn't we do this all for like a thousand bucks too?
The Russian shit?
Yeah, it was cheap.
I think it was like five, five, maybe.
Yeah.
How'd you even find out they were your fans?
Somebody hit us up asking if we he emailed us.
He was a promoter in Russia asking if we wanted to come over there and play a few shows because we had a fan base out there.
And we said, yeah, sure.
And back then, the experience was cool enough.
We didn't care about the money.
That was just a bonus.
So we went to Russia, did Minsk, Belarus, St. Petersburg, and Moscow.
My dad's up there behind us.
First of all, hottest fucking shows ever.
And my dad's on the MacBook and we taught him like, this means press the spacebar to stop the song.
If we do this, that means slowly turning to sound.
It's funny.
He's sitting there with his glasses like.
And he was so nervous, isn't he?
He's in his 50s.
He's in the 60s now.
He's, you know, late 50s back then.
Oh, that'll age you 10 years standing.
I could tell he was like nervous as fuck.
And I felt bad.
Where was it where they rushed the stage?
That was Minsk.
So we're in Minsk.
If they rush the stage, hit the space.
Last song.
Last song, they just literally the whole crowd runs up on the stage.
I look back.
I see Uncle Pablo's.
I see his head just sitting there, like surrounded by people.
He's flipping the fuck out.
I was like, turn it down or space ball.
I don't know which one.
It looked like he was floating, like they were carrying him.
That was the youngest show we've ever played.
All those kids were like 12, 13. Yeah, it was up to this day.
Yeah, it was wow.
Minsk was interesting.
I never even heard of Minsk.
It's just right out of the street.
Yeah, Belarus, right outside Russia.
So just the fact that you're even saying that, to think that you could make something, right?
That you could make something on the fucking West Bank, that you could make something in a parish, just in a small town, Louisiana, and then there's people in Minsk, Russia.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It chips, man.
It honestly is crazy.
It really does.
It's unreal, man.
Yeah, and this year we went back to Australia, New Zealand.
Oh, is that it?
Holy shit, bro.
That's Russia.
Five in Minsk.
Holy shit.
1305, 16. Well, they have 13 months there?
Yeah, holy shit.
Yeah.
Oh, no, they put their days before the month.
I remember after this show, this is what Minsker is.
Look at him.
Look at him by the DJ.
Yeah.
That's my dad fucking DJing.
Focused.
Damn, focused and focused.
Focused.
DJ Uncle P. He's like, down space car.
He was a nervous wreck.
No, he ain't moving.
He ain't moving, bro.
He got fucking.
He looks like a statue.
It's like when you're driving with a foot on each pedal.
Yeah.
Dude, that is so funny that, bro, shout out, Uncle P. I think I fell off stage.
No, that was Moscow.
I fell off stage and this Russian, this big ass Russian bodyguard, bald dude, fucking dead eyes.
Just the most, the smoothest thing.
My leg falls off.
I fall off stage and he just like threw me back off stage.
I was like, whoa.
That was crazy.
It's wild over there.
Don't have children playing with dolls that are made out of stone and shit.
These kids are tough.
They're tough kids.
It's a tough people.
It's a different world.
It's a harsh country, you know?
I respect Russians, bro.
Those people, they get shit done, bro.
They're nuts.
They drink vodka and eat, what's that shit?
Pussy.
Borscht.
Borsch.
Borscht.
Caviar.
Some of the best sushis in Moscow.
Really?
Delicious.
I wouldn't say go out there.
I wouldn't.
Yeah, I ain't going to go out.
I don't know.
I might go to Metary to get some.
Yeah.
Go to Mickey Motor or something.
What was the place y'all would go eat at and stuff?
Did y'all ever, when your family would go out to eat when you were kids, was there a spot y'all family would go that was kind of a nice place?
No, Pizza Hut.
Pizza Hut when you could sit down?
Yeah.
You remember that?
When it was like it had that aura to it, you know what I'm saying?
It had that aesthetic.
Not anymore.
Yeah.
I don't think we really ever went out as a family when I was younger.
Yeah, we didn't either.
Our biggest...
Yeah, that was so nice.
Now it's like a trap house for Ragu, dude.
Until this, I didn't see past Biloxi.
Maybe.
Oh, dude.
When I was growing up, bro, if somebody went to Florida, bro.
Oh, yeah.
You thought they was the fucking richest guy in the world.
That's like the yacht.
Oh, we're going to Pensacola.
You'd see somebody that a t-shirt said Florida on him like this, motherfucker.
Look at this.
There's a Republican.
A connection.
Yeah.
100%, bro.
Look at this.
Look at this Republican doing it.
There's a lot of Louisiana people in Florida.
It must be the Gulf Coast.
I don't know.
It's just so close, but there's so many.
I won't say where, but we're on the panhandle.
And it's, yeah, it's a lot of Louisiana transplants.
Well, Louisiana was some of the first people outside of Florida to realize what a great spot Destin was, too.
Some brave people.
I don't even know who it was.
Bro, that place was closed in like the 80s.
No police, no roads, no nothing.
And people lived out there.
And let's say they bought a house back then for 30K.
I mean, they're selling for like 10 million now.
It's nuts.
That's crazy.
That place is hot right now.
That's who would have bought one, bro.
Who?
Anybody?
No, no, we should have.
Stupid.
Well, it's funny because you said about the Florida thing.
I think it was like a, if your family from Louisiana goes to Florida for summer vacation, if you went to Pensacola, you guys were well off.
But if you went to Dustin, you were damn royalty, bro.
Might as well just.
I didn't know people that went to Dustin.
Yeah.
Your stepdad must have owned a subway or something.
We had a girl in Coventy and stepdad owned a subway, and they'd always go to Dustin.
Yeah.
Stepdad owned a KMB or whatever.
Those motherfuckers.
Dude, I got a blowjob from Jared from Subway's sister one time.
Nah, shut the fuck up.
Was it fire?
Huh?
Was it five?
Were you like eight?
I mean, I was, no, I would say I was probably about five.
No, because he's a pedo, you know.
Oh, you know, ran with the family or what?
I mean, I had a pretty small wiener at the time, but I was young, you know?
Yeah.
That four-inch round on me.
They discontinued it.
Yeah.
Remember that bread they used to have, that four-inch round, bro?
They got rid of that bitch.
Somebody's always like trying new things and getting rid of them.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, was that before the controversy with her brother?
That was, let me see, 2002.
2002?
Damn, bro.
That was way before the controversy.
Yeah.
2002 to 2006, somewhere in there.
That's like right when Jared first started being Jared.
But yeah, was it fire?
I don't know.
I wouldn't say all of that.
I don't remember that much of it.
It was in the quarters late.
It was indoors.
It was just something to do.
Yeah, well, it was, yeah.
We just, it was just.
Was it toasted?
It was a crazy.
It was toasted.
Did you get a drink and chips with it?
Bro, that would have been crazy, bro.
I got a drink of chips.
Some Miss Vicky's.
That's a subway hack.
You got to buy a bag of salt and vinegar, Miss Vicky's, and put it on the sandwich.
That's the hack.
I never done that.
Get a little crunch in there.
Trying to think if I got a good hack.
I got nothing, man.
I got nothing.
I can't believe you got Blown by Jared's sister.
That's insane.
That's funny.
Sorry to tell y'all that, too.
I just love it.
That's crazy.
I forget about it, and then I'm in New Orleans.
I'm going to say it.
Oh, dude, one time I went and saw Hot Fly Like Paper Get High Like Paper Glad.
Yeah, I went and saw her at She Blew You Too?
No.
No, it would have probably been neat, but I saw the guy from Step Brothers there at the concert.
John C. Riley?
Yeah.
Oh, huh?
It was like 4 a.m.
She finally went on.
That's crazy.
That's cool.
House of Blues or some shit?
Yeah, just in the poor.
It was over on a warehouse district.
No, in Frenchman.
Okay.
Trying to think of another good show.
Oh, the first show I ever went to was at Rendon Inn.
I don't know if you guys remember.
There was an old restaurant they used to have.
And Marilyn Manson played there.
Damn.
The 90s?
Yeah.
Late 90s?
Yeah.
And we went to there, dude, and it was crazy.
The biggest, the craziest New Orleans venue was like, I think it was called The Warehouse.
Yeah.
All over the road.
All the dads love talking about the warehouse.
They saw the Beatles and David Bowie and all this crazy shit, but that place.
Oh, yeah.
My friend did a documentary on it.
I was playing for us.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I think, what's his name?
Played Riders on the Storm.
Jim Morrison.
I think he played his last show there, they said.
Wow.
That's pretty crazy.
My friend Jesse Williamson did a documentary called The Warehouse.
Yeah, they had a lot of artists go through there.
That was like the spot, like back in the day.
If you were in the 70s, it was like a little outside, like by River Road where Uptown becomes Jefferson.
Oh, okay.
That's where I think it was.
Yeah, right?
I think so.
There might have been more into the Uptown area.
How's that Nick treating you?
It's pretty good.
You like the flavor?
They're hit and miss, bro.
They're hit and miss.
Sometimes you don't know vapes if you buying them, if they getting them, if they remaking them, bitches.
Two legs and shit.
Sometimes you'll smell like a dude.
You'll just be like, it's just like the guy's breath at the counter.
Yeah, yeah.
You're like, this motherfucker is motherfucking shit.
Australia was tough with the vapes.
Oh, yeah.
The first time we went, no, five years ago when we went, they only had 1% nicotine.
That was kind of a bitch.
Really?
Yeah, then this last time.
I need that five.
All the ones that we bought were all these crazy flavors, and we're like coughing up all this shit.
I'm like, bro, these vapes are not okay.
That's why I like these.
This is super light.
I don't actually feel like out of commission or nothing.
Too heavy.
The early Esco bars, bro, was too much.
I was doing those on Rogan.
You're like, you get sick, bro.
Oh, I was falling apart.
I couldn't sleep, bro.
I couldn't look at my mother.
Yeah, this is a warehouse on Chapatula.
So that's where it was.
But yeah, that's my buddy Jesse made this documentary.
It's so crazy you said that place.
Yeah, where did you guys go watch some type of music?
Like, was there some place, a venue that you guys went to when you were young?
What was your first show?
You did that way more than I did.
I mean, the first show I ever went to was when I was nine.
My parents bought me in sync tickets.
That was the first, that was like when I was a kid.
Man, you've changed.
I've changed as far as like, Really?
Oh, my God.
Look at that, brother.
I think she's a Louisiana local.
I'm going to say 100%.
Y'all my parents thought they snap by getting me tickets to Britney.
Me and my dad went.
It was weird.
You and Senior went to Britney Spears?
Yeah, brother.
If you knew his dad, you'd be like, what the fuck?
I was like eight years old.
They thought they snap.
They stated every second of that.
Yeah, they thought they snap.
And they did snap.
They did.
I did go to like shows when I was a teenager, being in bands and stuff.
I lived in Fat City.
So they had Cypress Hall right down the street from the police station on Hesmer.
And they had the Lions home.
They used to do shows at by the Burger King on the Vision and Metae.
And they had a few.
New Orleans was good with the all-ages stuff.
They had like places for teenagers to go.
Me and my friends' bands would put on shows and play.
And, you know, 100 kids would show up just to have something to do.
And then they started after Katrina, a lot of those places closed down.
And then it became like, you know, mostly bars and house of blues.
But there was a lot of, I was very involved in the music scene when I was younger down here.
The hot boys, yeah, when the hot boys were running around, there was so much going on, bro.
New Orleans has always been a fun place, dude.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I was more on the North Shore around that time.
That's when me and you didn't really speak.
Yeah.
Throughout all the high school, I mean, he and I didn't, we didn't hate each other or anything.
We're just growing up separately at that point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They had a band for the North Shore Sis Eight Candles or something.
No.
They had one that got 12 stones.
Yeah.
That's it.
The dude used to like babysit Kyle or some shit, the singer or whatever.
Something like that, right?
You grew up next door to that guy from 12 Stones, the singer?
Yeah, nice guy.
I went to high school.
What's his name?
HomeCoy.
Let's look him up.
Bro, I heard a story about that guy that, you know, he's on that song, the Evanescence song.
Yeah.
But wake me up.
That song.
And I heard that they offered him a piece of the song, royalties, or like just flat out 10 grand.
And he took the 10 grand.
Wow.
60 grand?
Still, that song's made way more than 60 grand.
But he bought Alexis, bro.
He bought a Lexus.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
He bought a PT Cruiser.
Dude, my boy Gabe Hall.
See if you can look up Gabe Hall Cemetery on YouTube.
It's Gabe Hall Cemetery Rapper.
He's still rapping now or just some old stuff.
It's some old shit, bro.
Cemetery rapper.
Oh, dude, you're going to have to go deep for this.
Do you ever chill in the cemeteries in from Louisiana or not?
No.
Is that more of like a New Orleans thing?
I think it is.
Sometime at Halloween, people would go do stuff over there.
In our town, people would dig one up every now and then.
Really?
Yeah, this is him right here, bro.
My boy Curly Q. He used to make these videos, bro.
Oh, let's go.
This is the real shit.
You love this shit.
Oh, my God.
This is my dog right there, bro.
This is the kind of shit that makes me want to fucking lay on my back with no shirt on, bro.
Oh, let's go.
with the mystic shirt wow You just sat on that mausoleum like nobody's business.
He's sitting on somebody's chest.
I want his confidence.
You know what I'm saying?
Byron.
The art movement's fucking right.
Keep friends.
I won't see them.
Get from the board with the fucking dog, he's going crazy.
What the fuck?
He's all on people's graves, bro.
He's going crazy.
How do you know this dude?
I'm the reason why people are so not suffering.
I wish I had his confidence.
Oh, me too, bro.
Look how he did.
Pull up the second one.
He's got another one.
He's on the front porch.
It should be right next to it.
Look at him dabbing, bro.
This is hard.
Yeah, he fucking goes hard with it.
Right there next to a gay man.
How do you know the dude?
Grew up with him, man.
Oh, no shit.
So you knew this dude.
Oh, yeah, he had a trap house.
Fucking right.
Let's go, bro.
Every white person I know in Louisiana smokes cigarettes.
100%, bro.
They'll smoke them through their nose, bro.
If their mouth is missing.
Which is part of the culture, bro.
They don't give a fuck, bro.
If your mouth is missing, people fucking smoke them through their nose, bro.
But dude, the best is his girlfriend's filming this, and she keeps stepping on briars in the grass and yelling at him.
No, uh-huh.
Stepping on what?
Like little briars that are in the grass with stick.
Anyway, shout out to my boy Gabe, man.
That shit was crazy.
Shout out to Scotty.
I never thought about that, but it's crazy to see the things that people do to put their creativity out there.
I love it.
Everybody's got something, man.
That's some Louisiana shit, bro.
You're not going to see that in any other state.
That's some Louisiana shit.
You ain't.
Yeah, it's just saying it's a different kind of swag right there, bro.
Yeah, Gabe's a G. Was there anything else in the news we wanted to look at?
I can't remember if anything else happened.
Have you ever seen the video of them testing the babes in China?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but them Chinamen, bro, they got a different type of lungs, bro.
Oh, yeah.
Ooh.
Okay.
Yeah.
Good thing I still smoke.
Somebody got to do it.
I'm glad I still smoke drool pods.
Fuck.
That's an L F our I'd be honored to share their fucking DNA, brother.
I don't care.
They hard working, bro.
Yeah.
Ooh, they hitting him a little too hard, though.
That dude.
That guy's going for it.
This little dude breastfeeding, bro.
Bro.
You like a damn hummingbird.
Why say exposed on it?
Like, this is something bad.
Because they can't be doing that shit, bro.
What are you talking about, man?
This is fucking breastfeeding in Laplace, homie.
Yeah.
Nothing, bro.
Yeah, bro.
Suicide boys, man.
I'm so excited, bro.
I'm so excited just to see.
And I think you guys are just such a place of inspiration for people, you know, even just talking with you guys today to see you create your own world, you know, and that it doesn't have to be something that mainstream accepts or even sometimes even sees, whether they do see it or not, but that they don't claim to.
It's the same thing with podcasting, kind of like they rarely ever reference podcasts.
It's like, but that's because they're not involved in it.
It's not their shit, and that's okay.
But you guys just have such a loyal fan base.
What are your fans like, do you think, man?
Because that's one of the things that's so intriguing about you guys to me is y'all's fans are it's just different man.
We've actually we've developed relationships with some of our biggest ones and actually brought them in the fold to like help us out with certain stuff.
I mean dude when they when they tell you when they're like dude you saved my life you did this you did that I mean it's hard to hear a hundred percent broader process yeah it wasn't it wasn't my intention but at the same time and this is this might be more on like a spiritual recovery tip ever since getting sober um I feel like I have this responsibility um to let
these people know that have seen us at our worst know that because I I never thought there was a way out I really didn't I was like I'm fucked this is it this is just what it is but to let them know that there is a way out and if yeah there's hope uh don't ever give up like if me and him can do it bro we can get drugs delivered on speed dial in the mailbox but if me and him can do it there's hope for them too um and we used to do we used to when we
could after every show we would take time out and meet with all the fans afterwards we never like charging them for meet and greets and stuff like that like oh someone got more money than this person so they get to meet us i know we didn't really like that but now unfortunately it's it's it's gotten too big to where we we can't get sometimes it's true the venues won't let you stay those are things that happen we try to meet in the lobby after shows and not only how do you look at it we've been doing this for a long time and when we're on tour bro it's not like it's it's
work dude it's hard it's it's you got to be on point every night you know any little thing you can do if you smoke a blunt afterwards it could up your throat like there's a lot of stuff that you got to keep in mind and sometimes dude you know not every show is good and not every day on tour is fun there's times where like we might be going through it and we have to take some time for ourselves and sorry like i know it sucks that we can't meet you this particular night but you know i need to like kind of uh decompress a little bit so yeah you got to make sure the show is good
for the next night i mean that's the most important thing that's the most true tournament is hard it's hectic um oh yeah and yeah you people don't realize you want to be as good as you can be for every show you just did even you know but no we do we we love and and care about them um and even if some of them are still using you there's no no but not at all because you know why i we get it right i get it bro like i get it dog um and some most a lot of people can can party and they can do it i tell them that like whenever i i talk to everybody at the end of the
night i feel like it's important to say that like you know what i'm saying like if none of this applies to you like keep doing what you're doing if you can have a good time and do it and right like my hat's off to you bro you win yeah you got you got it dog you got it but you know um i don't know we've that speech that started at the end real quick that started from me it was we just got back to doing shows we were at la la palooza right after covet um i was feeling
all self-pity and feeling bad for myself and all this so i i i was i was giving this sappy, like poor pity me at the end of the at the end of the show that we did, a Lala Palooza, but it just somehow it turned into something else.
Yeah, and into what it is.
And I mean, dude, one of the guys that works for us, he like helps us run our social media accounts and he works with us on Twitter during merch.
You know, we met this kid as a fan.
It's our boy six.
Yeah.
We met him as a fan because he created the at G59 Records Twitter.
And this was so early that Scott and I hadn't even gotten around to making our own fucking Twitter.
We had fans.
We had like a few thousand fans, whatever, but he was super in tuned with underground music and he knew about us and loved us.
And we messaged him being like, yo, can we have that account?
Like, you know, it's our name.
He's like, yeah, I was just making it so nobody else would.
You can have it.
We're like, okay, cool.
And then a few months later, we're actually going to do a little Texas tour doing Houston, Dallas, a few shows.
And he's there.
And he's in Dallas.
And he was like, we're like, dude, come meet up with us, whatever.
He also could get us drugs.
Yeah.
Some Percocet, some Zanax, some weed, whatever.
And we met him and we realized we like this kid.
And we're like, you know what?
You took the initiative.
It's yours.
And that's how he became the guy who like runs our social media is through that.
And that was, you know, back in 2014, 2015.
And to answer your question, that was a fan who is now part of our team.
I lived with him for two years.
He's like a family member.
Damn.
Yeah, man.
Well, that's how I met Nick, one of our early producers.
He emailed and just said, hey, man, I like the podcast and I think I can help.
There's this kid named Aiden.
He showed up at a show in Buffalo, right?
And shook my hand in the parking lot.
And he's like, hey, I can be your photographer tonight.
And I'm like, all right, I'm a photographer.
Yeah.
Come on in, bro.
So fast forward, the show starts.
I'm out there an hour later.
I see this dude just walking up by the side of the stage, bro, with his cell phone.
Let's go.
What the fuck, dude?
So the whole time, bro, he got fucking just, he's like laying on his back and shit on the floor.
Just unbelievable, dude.
I respect it initially.
Oh, he finessed me so much, man.
But fast forward two years later, he's at the show with his family.
He's got cameras now, and he's a real photographer.
No shit.
And so it's just like.
Hey, at least he was fucking grinding with what he had.
100%, bro.
And he just kind of caught you at the right time.
I was walking in, coming off the little tour bus, and it was just like, you know, hey, what's up, man?
I can be your photographer.
And you kind of respect, you know, sometimes things got to catch you in the right moment.
But yeah, somebody that can see your Twitter and see that you have a capability before you can even see it sometimes.
That's actually crazy, man.
The equipment doesn't give you drive or talent.
Dude, all of our videos.
Shot with an iPhone, and I just edited it on Final Cut.
He was using GarageBand to make the beats, you know, a free program that comes with Mac.
I downloaded Photoshop.
I illegally pirated Photoshop and cracked it.
And the only languages available for Photoshop were Spanish and Hebrew.
And I chose Spanish because I took Spanish in high school.
So I learned Photoshop all in Spanish, just like figuring it the fuck out.
So I didn't shell out all this money.
I learned it myself because if you have the drive and you have the talent, the equipment does not matter.
We got golden platinum records that were done on that free platform that comes when you buy a Mac.
That's the whole reason I bought it was because it was free.
Some of our biggest songs are royalty-free samples.
Yeah.
That everybody has access to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It really is, man.
It's inspiring, dude.
I feel so lucky to have gotten to do this today, man.
I really do.
I'm glad that we've, you know, we met.
I remember when you showed up at the, I hope, I hope I'm not.
Yeah, I just.
Oh, yeah, it was cool.
And when you showed up, and I know how that is, and I didn't, I didn't want to go up to you.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I know what it's like to be in the meeting and like just kind of sacred.
When I saw him, I was like, this guy's not doing well.
This dude.
We lucky to have this dude with us.
So we didn't talk that night.
And then when I left, I sent him a message on Instagram.
He called me.
He's like, bro, you know, this is my fucking meeting.
He was stoked.
I was stoked too that he met you.
Yeah.
That's cool, man.
Yeah, I think I met Chedda first.
Did you?
Yeah.
I think I did.
I don't remember how, but he's just been such a great guy to get to know, man.
And yeah, dude, it's inspiring, man.
I'm glad, you know, you keep people alive.
And I know you have, you know, guys that you support in those rooms.
And it ain't me, bro.
I wish I could take the credit.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
It ain't me, bro.
Yeah.
I'm glad we got a higher power that's trying to help, that's helping us help ourselves.
From flooring to ceiling, bro.
From flooring to who knows what heights, man.
Thank you guys so much just for the inspiration, man.
I think to so many young artists and people that if you're sitting somewhere thinking, can I do this or how do I do this?
I mean, you know, it's unreal.
Just do it.
Yeah.
It's unreal.
That's literally it.
Just fucking do it.
That's the advice I always give is, you know, how did you, what did you do to get here?
Whatever.
Persistence, consistency, fucking drive, dude.
And just taking that first step is the biggest step.
Because you know what?
You may think you want to be a fucking rapper or whatever, but you might actually go to do it and realize, I don't want to do this.
This sucks.
And you're not going to know unless you take that first step.
Right.
And then I'll lead you to the next thing.
That's exactly.
You might miss the next thing because you don't go to the first thing.
Yeah.
And it's all timing.
It's all a chess game.
Just don't overthink it.
Just do the damn thing and everything will start to fall in place at some point if it's supposed to.
Yeah.
The new album?
New World Depression, June 14th, baby.
Drag him to the river.
Put your body in.
Check y'all.
Fuck yeah.
What was that song?
I can't.
Put your rope around the neck.
He's a badass.
Bad shallow boy.
Oh, you don't want to sound.
Wow, man.
UNLV.
I'm from the LV.
UNLV.
Yeah, I couldn't think of it ahead of time.
Where were they from?
Here, they're uptown, I think.
Were they from here?
Yeah, they're from New Orleans, for sure.
We sampled them on the album.
It was uptown to the river.
Living violently.
Y'all did?
Yeah, I can't wait.
You're going to love it.
Dude, that's exciting, man.
Ruby Scrim, thank you guys so much, man.
Best of the tour.
And shout out Tyrell Shaw for this beautiful art, man, for letting us sit in the back here.
That might be Louis Armstrong, man.
I don't know.
It's a saxophone, so it might not be, but it's a jazz.
Either way, he's got a studio right over here on, I think this is Child Petula.
Carondelet?
On Carondelette.
Yeah.
So here we are.
Suicide Boys.
Thanks.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.