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April 9, 2024 - This Past Weekend - Theo Von
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E494 Dustin Poirier

Dustin Poirier is a professional mixed martial artist in the UFC’s lightweight division, and former interim champion. He is also an entrepreneur and founder of the “The Good Fight” Foundation.  Dustin Poirier returns to chat with Theo about what he’s been up to since his recent win at UFC 299, the tough times he went through after the Gaethje fight, how he changed his mindset to bounce back, betting on himself early in his career, whether or not he and Theo should sell their organs, his predictions for UFC 300, and much more.  Dustin Poirier: https://www.instagram.com/dustinpoirier/ The Good Fight Foundation: https://www.thegoodfightgroup.com/  ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit  https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ  PrizePicks: Download the Prize Picks app and use CODE: THEO. Prize Picks will match your deposit up to $100.  BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — go to http://betterhelp.com/theo  to get 10% off your first month. BlueChew: Go to http://bluechew.com and use code THEO at checkout to try BlueChew for free - just pay $5 shipping! Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to sign up for a $1-per-month free trial. Füm: Start the Good Habit at https://tryfum.com/THEO to save 10% off the Journey Pack today. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We are here at the Tunnel Bar downtown Baton Rouge, Louisiana, at the Hilton Hotel.
And we are grateful to get to spend time today with a UFC legend, his lightweight competitor, former interim champion, and just a one-of-a-kind guy to cheer for and get to know.
We're grateful to have him returning to the podcast.
Today's guest is Mr. Dustin Poirier.
Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song I'll be singing I'm going to stay I've been moving way too long For the ass.
How's Louisiana been treating you guys?
Eating some good food.
I saw the crawfish.
Right now, it's big crawfish time.
Yeah.
Yeah, we had some crawfish, man.
We had some crawfish the other day.
Some of them, though, the size disparity, that's where it's tough to know.
Like, do you get specifically the big ones from somebody you know, or how do you guys do it over there?
Pablito has his own.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he has his own farm.
Is it open now?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's running it.
Wow.
Bring you however many sacks you need, man.
Not his pit stop.
Not his store.
His family owns crawfish ponds.
Oh, I didn't even know that.
Dang.
Yeah, man.
I'm about to get a hold of some of those.
Dustin Poirier, welcome, bro.
Thanks, man.
Good to be back.
Yeah, good to see you, dude.
How's you guys just went skiing?
Yeah, we went up to Aspen with my wife and daughter.
Spent four days up there, and it snowed the whole time.
Weather was great, man.
Oh, that's nice.
Travel back wasn't as great.
Got stuck in Oklahoma.
We were going to Dallas.
Had to circle for 20 minutes in the air.
Then they didn't let us land.
So we went to Oklahoma.
We were running low on fuel.
So we sat on the runway there.
I was in that plane for like six hours and two of it was in the air.
So I was on.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's.
But we made it, man.
That's alarming, bro.
Yeah, something the other day, we landed real fast and then took off again.
You ever had that happen?
Yeah.
Yeah, did you guys, what kind of skiing you do out there?
You ski, you snowboard?
Like, what's it like out there for what diamonds are you doing out there?
Dude, I'm not, I'm doing the bunny slopes.
Really?
Yeah, I don't want to blow my back up.
Yeah, my daughter, this is her second time skiing, so she's picking it up.
My wife, this was her first time.
Last time we went, she snowboarded with me.
I didn't ski this time.
I didn't want to bust myself up.
I did sledding, tubing, stuff like that, ice skating.
Yeah, because some people say snow is just gay water.
Hey, perspective.
Could be.
Oh, I think, yeah.
Because it's just like, if you look at it like it just has a flake, some of them bitches are a little feminine.
They nice.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you guys have, do you guys have contracts in UFC where you can't do certain sports?
Are there things that you guys are not allowed to do?
I've heard that in our contracts.
I haven't seen it, but I've heard that in our contracts, there's something with like extreme sports, maybe motorcycles and things like that, but I haven't stopped.
I just do everything normal.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's interesting because you guys are one of those few sports where it's like, yeah, because Sean Strickland's on his motorcycle every day.
Yeah.
Blatantly is, you know, telling people he's going hundreds and hundreds of miles an hour.
Yeah.
And I believe him.
Yeah, I believe him too.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's pretty wild that you guys are just able to just be totally free like that.
I had a motorcycle for a while when I lived in Florida.
And I ended up selling it.
I only had it for like six months, maybe.
It just felt, no, never, but it just felt too dangerous, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was scared every time I was riding.
Oh, yeah, bro.
But you know, most organ donors are motorcyclists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, dude, I just did my ID recently.
I had to update it to the real ID, the new thing.
And my wife was with me.
She was like, no, don't, don't say you're an organ donor.
I'm like, why?
I mean, I got the goods.
You can have them if I can't use them, you know?
Yeah.
But she said, she was like, no, I'm telling you, if you get an accident and they go to the hospital and see it, that you're an organ donor, they're not going to work as hard on you because they want those organs.
I'm like, oh, man.
Conspiracies, bro.
That's what I hear.
Conspiracies.
Look that up, Nick.
I wonder if that's true or not.
They'll not tell you, man.
Dude, I actually, while I'm thinking about it, if something ever happened to you, God forbid, right?
Can I have one of your hands?
I won't do nothing weird with it, I promise.
It's just for, I keep it in like a little cage or what, you know, like.
Give me the left one.
Bet.
Yeah.
Thanks, dude.
Now, look, if it gets out at night and beats up a neighbor, that's all.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, like Adam's family, it?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, then fucking starts popping off, bro.
Or if it wakes up in the middle of the night and starts cooking up a roux.
Bro, I'll tell you what, man.
I'm part of the Rooting Clan.
Protect your neck.
What does this say?
What does it say, Nick?
There is an age limit organ myth, religion.
See, I never heard of this, but my wife was with me at the DMV.
Oh, here's the myth right here.
Doctors don't work as hard to save the lives of registered organ donors.
Fact, if you are sick or injured, the first priority of your hospital care team is to save your life.
Organ donation is only considered when all efforts to save a patient have been exhausted.
That second-hand market, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that second-hand market, bro.
Oh, especially, dude, if they know it's you, probably.
I mean, my liver's taking probably a little bit of abuse, but like heart and stuff is good.
Oh, dude, Yeah, they're going to get at least for Poirier's heart.
Oh, yeah.
They're going to cop 40, 50K on that.
For sure.
Easy.
Easy.
On Etsy, you could probably get 60K.
Yeah, man.
That's easy, man.
Speaking of Etsy, speaking of stuff like that, eBay, you know, we auctioned off the fight kits for the foundation.
Somebody outbid everybody, you know, so they had a bunch of real bidders and then didn't pay.
So now I got to relist it.
It just sucks because, you know, we listed the week after the fight when momentum and, you know, the fight's fresh.
Now we got to relist it.
I just hope it raises the same amount of money.
Yeah.
I think it will, man.
We'll make sure to do, to, to make a bid.
How much did they, what purchase price did they get it at?
Maybe $11,000 or $12,000, I think, which is good because we're trying to raise $50,000 for the food net in Lafayette.
Okay, bet.
Yeah, that's a great.
I think that's a great thing to have.
According to the widely used, although somewhat hard-to-find credit for figures, a heart is worth around $1 million in the U.S. On the black market.
On the black market.
Wow.
Livers come in second, worth around $557,000.
Kidneys cost about 262K each.
Human skin, if you want to do it all.
Dustin, I don't know what type of- $10 an inch, bro.
Now look.
Hey, hey.
Hey, look, look.
There's going to be a limited amount of that.
That's all I'm saying, if it's me dying, bro.
Stomach, 500.
Eyeballs, $1,500 each, though.
Wow, that's crazy.
And this is off of the black market, Nick, or is this 2024 prices?
Yeah, yeah.
Yesterday's price.
They're saying it's from a cadaver broker.
So it's not like, obviously, no one's taking official stats here, but based on their research of cadaver brokers, those are the prices.
Okay.
I have a cadaver in my nose.
Really?
Yeah, somebody's rib.
Uh-uh.
Yeah.
Cartilage.
Dang.
That's biblical, I think.
Yeah.
Bro, if you, yeah.
I've done cocaine off a Bible.
That's kind of similar.
It's not the same thing that you have going on, but no, no.
And we shouldn't have done it, bro.
Yeah.
Or you shouldn't have admitted it.
Yeah.
That's too late.
One or the other, dude.
Did you see the new Roadhouse?
No, I haven't, but I will.
I'll watch it.
I've been traveling so much, man.
Yeah?
Yeah.
You guys have been busy since your fight.
Well, I saw y'all in LA.
Yeah, I was shooting some stuff out there.
Last week, Aspen, the week before, Carolina.
This week in Indiana, I think, for Anthony Pettis.
Oh, he's fighting?
He's got his own promotion, and I'm a guest appearance there.
That'll be nice.
Connecticut, the weekend after.
And are you cornering somebody over there?
No, just watching fights.
Dang.
Yeah.
That's busy, man.
Yeah, you didn't see the movie, but you'll see it, though?
Yeah, I'll watch it.
I just haven't had time to really.
Yeah.
Do you think, what movie would you be in, you think?
You think you would ever be in?
Well, you just, well, I know you were out in LA.
You were doing a movie, right?
Yeah, we were filming a commercial from movie Monkey Man.
I don't know a whole lot about it, but it looks pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you think that's something you like think about for yourself, or is it just like a fun thing that kind of happened?
Like, I know Connor's in this movie, Connor McGregor.
Do you think about that for yourself?
I'd like to.
You know, it's something different.
Like, it's exciting because I've never done it before.
It's a new challenge.
Keeps me busy.
I got to be busy, man.
That's my thing.
Like, I got to be busy.
If I'm not getting ready to fight somebody, and I've said this a thousand times, I have to have some kind of obstacle, you know, in front of me.
So if I'm trying to do movies or grow my businesses, I just need to be in action, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's how you feel?
Have to.
Yeah.
You just, there's no, if you get complacent or if you, why?
What?
I'm like, it's honestly, bro.
I'm a danger to myself when I have nothing.
No, no goal circled on my calendar.
I'm a danger to myself, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I beat myself up mentally.
I'm home.
I drink.
It's just not good.
I have to have some kind of battle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I've always been like that.
But like, as I'm getting older, I'm kind of recognizing.
Oh, you can see it more.
Yeah.
So I kind of set goals so I stay busy, you know?
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I know in the last, yeah, I know whenever you came off of the Gacey fight, you were kind of in a tough spot, I guess, at times.
Oh, big time, man.
That was probably like one of the lowest points of my life, you know, mentally.
I really felt down.
Did you feel like so, because now you're in a place that feels different?
Yeah, back in the wind column, everything feels like it's in the motion like it should be.
You know, I just felt out of out of sync with life after that last fight.
Yeah, do you think that it's like, because yeah, I'll like a lot of times determine how I feel about myself based on what is happening like in my career or in my social life sometimes or how I think people are perceiving me.
You know, like, do you notice for yourself, was any of that like about, did you feel like you were depressed?
Did you feel like it was like, like, were you able to get any perspective on like what made you feel bad kind of?
No, I don't think I like pinpointed what really brought me down.
Obviously getting kicked in the head wasn't good.
But sorry.
Yeah.
I didn't want to laugh, but God just made me laugh.
Yeah, yeah.
It was just a lot of things, you know?
And like, I think I might have texted you after as well, after that fight.
Like, I worked so hard to like build myself up and be successful and have a career.
And fighting's tough, you know?
And I feel like I've got myself to a point where I'm respected by my peers and fighting and stuff like that.
And I feel like when I got home from that loss, it was like the world is just going to throw me away.
Remember when I texted you that?
That's how I felt.
It's like I worked so hard and one night, you feel like, boom, everybody's throwing you away now.
You know, like everything I've done before that feels like it doesn't matter.
You know, it just sucks.
It was like a bad place to be in myself.
You know, waking up every morning, I was just not happy.
Wonder what makes us feel like that?
Because I can totally relate to that, man.
Like, if it doesn't go good, then I don't have, I'm not worth anything.
Right.
I just feel like.
Is that what it felt like?
Yeah.
And in fighting, like they say, you're only as good as your last fight.
And then that's where the world thinks about you, your last performance, you know, getting knocked out.
After I built myself up so long, so many crazy fights and, you know, the struggle and the grind to get there, it just feels like, boom, now everybody's looking at me like that and just throwing me away.
Damn.
But that's why I put my nose to the grindstone this last one and went out there and touched that guy up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what did it, so like when you, when you start like if, cause i think so many people can relate to that man i mean i totally can like i remember we were kind of texting about it like yeah like i would pin so many of my uh like who i feel like i am on how i do right right or like um but then i'll start feeling like like how did you uh like how like how did you notice when it got like too hectic or did you um what do you do to start to turn
that around you know my my wife really helped me out through this last one um putting things in perspective like like we were saying you feel like the fight is your life but it's just something i do you know i'm a a father a husband a friend a business owner a son a brother that's who i am fighting is just something i do you know so if you put in perspective like that and i kind of switched my my mindset of like everything's an experience you know i'm thankful i got to experience that fight week and the and the downs and
the ups of fight week and losing sucks but i got to fly home in a different perspective looking back you know because like losing sucks especially when you work so hard and fighting's like everything's into it you know i put myself into this for real oh yeah i remember sitting in your green room after we were all sitting in there oh yeah and literally it was like it felt like we were at a funeral in a weird way yeah but you were right there yeah it just felt like everybody felt everybody i told everybody that in there i said this ain't a funeral you're
like yeah you're going around trying to boost people's spirits you're like hey i'm you put on a black suit and stuff yeah i even know you got it we're all singing i can still hear mom of praise somebody stood up and was like he was a good man i'm like i'm right here bro i'm right here yeah i think that was somebody trying to flirt with your wife at the pit too i don't know that might have been sabah your buddy yeah the demon yeah yeah it could have been the demon he definitely uh
he loves to meet a lady but you know what you know what taking uh that last loss what really switched my mindset man is uh i know who i am like losing you find out who you are and and losing sucks but in those moments like when you're down it's a great time to experience you you know because like when you're winning you can get this momentum when things everything's going good you can kind of get in that groove where you're just on cruise control you know but when you lose and the phone stops ringing and you're at home laying in bed going to sleep by yourself and everything the dust settles you
know that's when you experience yourself who you really are you know and i think that's important you know yeah was that tough did you like what are you because that's yeah that's scary because every moment of silence then you kind of like if something like that happens to me like i have something that's not good or feels like it's not good i don't get the outcome that i want any silence i hear after that i always just it feels like yeah that uh nothing's like it feels like the phone isn't ringing but even it's just silence it's just normal silence but in my head i feel
like oh the phone ain't ringing you know that's when reality really sits in sets in you know like when you're around a bunch of people after after a loss and you're talking and everybody's you know keeping you busy your mind's busy but then you go back to your house and you're by yourself you know and you look in the mirror and it's just you like that's when it's real yeah yeah that's when the phone's not ringing yeah yeah what a yeah how rough did it get like was there was there moments where you're like okay i got to get some help like what kind of help did you get i started doing therapy i went speak to a therapist yeah
there were some nights where i would just i just got up and left my house like i just i couldn't be here i just got up and left my house and went to get a hotel room you know got in my truck and just left you know and i don't know why i don't have any reason why i just felt like i had to it was crazy man i was going through it yeah yeah and do you think it was just that you were feeling like like would was some of it like like met like medical or cte related do you think or do you have like do you have any perspective on like what it was kind of or do you think it was just i
mean it could have been all of that you know i definitely have head trauma i have 50 fights and uh yeah and you were yeah and you're from freaking youngsville from lafayette yeah sorry sorry sorry yeah but yeah we all have head trauma i mean look bro you born in louisiana yeah you come out with head trauma bro that's on the report yeah i'm sure it could have been all i don't know you know i just wasn't in a good spot but i'm good now that's what matters you know and what about medication or something like i take i was off antidepressants for a while i tried because i was trying to not take them and
then i got i was like i just can't do this right now life's too much i'm gonna get on them i guess i'm back on right now um but did you have did you ever try any medication or is that something that a lot of ufc fighters do or do what is that like i'm not sure i mean like the we're such tough guys fighting we don't really talk about that in the locker room or in the gym we don't talk about like i'm feeling down it's just shut the hell up and work you know we got work to do you got to fight to win we don't we don't sit around and hold hands and talk about i'm not feeling
well today yeah you're right that's your point yeah yeah it would be nice if we opened up and kind of because i'm sure a lot of people are going through it and not talking about it but i've never been like shied away from telling people how i feel and stuff like that so i don't care i will talk about it yeah yeah yeah i feel like you try to share when you can about what's going on and i think that's one thing that's so interesting about kind of what the past like year of your life has been like is that you were in a space where things were so tough and you were having a tough
time and then you get a victory and some of that goes away but some of it may still stick around so then you get some better perspective as to what that's like you know yeah it's just the highs and lows like losing is the lowest of the low then you win on pay-per-view knock a guy out you're back on the mountaintop it's just what a roller coaster this is fighting you know yeah i'm thankful for it all though you know it's giving me every giving me my family everything we have yeah so i'm thankful for it the good and the bad but i wouldn't recommend anybody seek this as a career really no be
a doc go to school huh yeah go to school go to college or something yeah maybe that's the movie you could be in man it would be like yeah medea goes to the swamp or something i'm trying to think of a good since gyl and hall and connor had a movie what would be a good poor movie uh fried green cauliflower ears maybe that's a good one that's a good one dustin goes to 10th grade we could do we could just do a movie about me trying to get my ged yeah
there's like there's some scenes where it's like you hear a choir just, I can still give mama praise.
I can do it, man.
That'd be awesome.
I can get one.
Who would play you in a movie?
I wonder.
You ever think about that?
Because Dustin.
I like John Claude and damn.
Does that shoot too high?
No, I just think I don't know if he can do the stuff you can.
I think he's getting older.
Yeah, he is.
Prime, like Bloodsport John.
Yeah, that would be sick.
Yeah.
Because one day they could make a movie about you.
You know?
I mean, it could be like...
Yeah.
I remember it coming over your house when you had the belt.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Does it ever feel like you didn't have it?
Because there's so many, like, because you're still interim champion.
It's not like champion's not in it.
No.
And I beat a current champion at the time who was the title holder when we fought.
You know, it's just, I feel like it was a world championship, but people's opinions, you know, is what it is.
Yeah.
Now that you have like a win and you've had, and you're, it's a good place and it, it takes, it like silences some of that self-critic in our head and some of that even fictional critique from other people that some of it may be there and some of it may not.
Do you, do you want to, do you feel like, do I want to risk that again?
Like, do you think about that at all?
Yeah, I do.
Like, where am I at if it doesn't go my way, which is likely, you know, it's fighting.
I think I can, I know I can beat anybody in the world.
I believe in my skills.
But the margin for error out there is one mistake, you wake up asking what happened, you know?
You think you're going to the school bus stop, you know, and you wake up like, I'm late for school.
No.
Oh, no, you dropped out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry, that's too many Dustins on in school jokes.
But no, that's one of the fun, some of the best stuff about your story is that you didn't even finish high school.
Never finished ninth grade.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I always, I love you and your wife's story, man.
It's all, all of it's so hilarious to me, dude.
There's so many funny moments you guys have been through together over the years.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, been together a long time, been living together since we were 18. So, you know, she was there for the whole fighting, you know, journey.
And it's been fun, man.
I don't think I've said this before, but I don't think I would be as successful of a fighter without her.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
Because even like this last loss, like she, I put her through so much stuff after that loss.
And she was still there for me, you know, every day, right by my side, like telling me I'm the best in the world.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, man, it's so important having that, huh?
For sure.
And when I was younger, dude, like, I would have been cutting up, running the streets, you know, but I had a mortgage and a wife at home, so I was home every night and at the gym the next day.
So that, you know.
Right.
It's like a blessing you don't even realize, Polly.
Yeah.
Because I had to be home.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, because you can't be.
Oh, I would have been drinking and partying and I didn't do that, you know?
Right.
Damn, that's true, man.
It's so many little things that are blessings that you can't see until you get some more perspective sometimes.
Right.
Yeah, dude.
One of my, there's that picture of you at the prom.
Do they have that?
When Dustin's in that white.
That was her.
That was her.
So I was living by myself when I was, I had my own place at 17 years old.
And she was living with her mom then.
Yeah, Dustin rolled up.
That was her senior prom.
That shit is so good.
Because everybody remembers the dude that wore that to their prom.
And that was only one type of dude that rolled up like that.
That's so cool.
Wow, bro.
Look at that.
Wow.
That's wild, huh?
What a journey y'all been on.
Yeah, man.
Dude, he used to fight people at the police station out here because it would be.
So, yeah, I have fought somebody in the yard or the grass of the police station.
My place I had when I was 17 was directly across from the Afghan Police Department.
Yeah.
And one time, this is a crazy story.
One time we went out to a bar.
My brother was playing his guitar there or something.
And a guy I was with, I didn't really know him well.
He was a friend's friend.
Yeah.
And he stole somebody's purse at the bar.
And then he got caught and called out for it.
And we're with him.
And I'm like, oh, I mean, then we started walking back to my house and we just got into it and fought.
But yeah.
Yeah, was it fun, like those street fights?
Is that kind of more fun?
Or you like having a referee in there?
I'd rather a referee.
Yeah.
Especially nowadays, man.
People are shooting and stabbing.
Yeah, that's not fair.
No.
Yeah, because now you're in a space now where you can do, you can run it back, man.
You can feel like you can do it again.
You can, if you wanted to, you could retire on a high note.
People can retire whenever they want.
Yeah, when I was 18, bro, I told my wife, we made an agreement.
I wouldn't fight past 35. And I had no, at 18, I had no idea what 35 looked like.
But now I'm 35. I'm like, oh, shit, it's here.
I still feel good.
I don't want to stop, you know, so we'll see.
I still feel good.
And I compete with these young guys.
I do it every day in the gym.
And I got bumps and bruises I carry from so many years of fighting.
Had a couple of surgeries, but I feel good.
So what do you think?
What does it look like for you?
Like, are they pushing you?
I know you talked about fighting.
Islam.
Islam, do you think that's going to We'll see, man.
I think this next pay-per-view, UFC 300, is going to, they have.
Might be an announcement?
No, no, no.
It's in two weeks.
Max Holloway's fighting Gage.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to go to it.
Are you going?
Nah, nah.
I'm doing a viewing party in Connecticut.
Oh, okay, great.
Where's that at?
Just so people can come check you out.
At the Mohegan Sun.
Gang, gang.
At the Mohegan Sun.
But there's two huge title fights on that card.
I mean, not title fights, two huge lightweight fights.
Oh, yeah.
This could have a lot to do with you guys.
Harmon versus Charles, and then Gage versus Holloway.
So that's some big fights in the division.
We'll see what happens after that.
Wow.
Yeah, because...
Yeah.
I know, huh?
Yeah, I fought Max twice, fought Justin twice, and fought Charles once.
do you have, what kind of outcome would you prefer, do you think?
I don't really have a, I think people are kind of looking past Max a little bit.
I think Max can beat Justin.
But Max is tough.
His rhythm, his range, and his technique on the feet, unless Justin wrestles a little bit, I think Max can pick him apart and stay on the outside.
But that's what makes fighting so fun.
We don't know until we watch it.
And Charles and Armin, that can go either way.
Both great grapplers.
I would think Charles would have an advantage standing up, but we got to see.
Yeah, because now if Max went, like, yeah, I'm just wondering where do you – I just lost.
My last loss was to Justin.
If Max beats him, does he stay at 55 or does he go back to 45?
What do you think?
Like, if you think, like, do you feel like you have a certain amount of fights left in you?
What is that?
Yeah, does it start to feel like that's an interesting thought?
Do you start to feel like, oh, I think I might have one or two left in there?
Or do you think you would get a definite feeling from yourself when you're like.
I think so.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't even put a number on it.
I just like even this last one, how I feel in the warm-up room, how I feel walking through the tunnel, walking into the crowd, getting into the octagon, like how I feel then, I felt good.
You know, I felt like it wasn't time to stop.
Right.
So maybe next time, you know, if I feel like that again, then it's not time to stop.
I don't want to put a number.
I just put it on the way I feel.
Yeah.
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Oh, of course.
What was it like to get like, because if you were going through like if there were some real tough, some of your toughest times after the Gacey fight, right?
Before the BSD fight, what was it that made you able to stay in, like get ready for that next fight?
Because that's a space where I honestly, I think a lot of people can relate to in their lives.
Like, like, God, like, I don't feel, I don't feel great right here.
Or, you know, there's something in my life that's not perfect or that's not the way I wish it to be.
That's not my will, you know, and how to get ready then for something still that's important.
Like we were talking about earlier, I think just having a name, having a date to circle on my calendar kind of put me in the right direction mentally.
Like I knew I had something to work towards.
It was a big challenge.
It's a fight.
It's what I've been doing my whole life.
Like that kind of put me back on the track where I needed to be.
Obviously, practicing mindfulness and speaking to therapy and talking to my wife and stuff like that was helping along the way.
But whenever I got the name and the date for this next fight, everything kind of clicked into, all right, this is what I need to be doing.
Wow.
Yeah.
It really drowned out all the idleness of sitting at home or overthinking.
You know, I had such a big challenge in front of me that that's all I focused on.
Everything else, like blinders, that's how fighting is for me.
Is that part of the reasons why you also took that fight, you think?
Because you're like, you're like, I need a goal right now.
Wow.
I was in the spot.
It just happened they called where I was in the spot of my life, like and mentally in a place where whatever name they called with, I would say, yes, I just needed a challenge.
You know, because I needed to be at war with something else besides myself because I was fighting myself every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Man, that's fascinating.
Yeah.
So many times I'll sit around like fighting myself instead of picking up, like putting something on the calendar that is something I could be a goal, be something I could try and conquer, a challenge.
Man.
If I'm not at war with something, I'm at war with myself.
Yeah, me too.
That's crazy.
Yeah, man.
And sometimes I don't even realize it.
I'm sitting there, I'm pitching and hitting against, I don't even know what's going on.
Yeah.
And definitely down on the judge's scorecards.
But yeah, I'm not winning the decision.
Yeah.
Bro, I'll be the judge, dude, and I'll be giving myself shitty.
I'll be the judge and the jury.
I'll be like, this guy sucks.
He's guilty.
Yeah, guilty, man.
God, that's the same way I am, man.
But it's good, too, because that mindset and having that work problem, if you focus it on something, you can really go far.
Right.
Right.
It's that same.
It's a gift that occurs.
Yes.
But recognize it, having some ability to see it is also a gift.
Because when you're just in it and you're just a victim of all that and you just keep doing it, you're reactive only, that's when it feels like it can feel catastrophic sometimes.
For sure.
But then also it can feel that's the same stuff that just gives you unending motivation.
So do you know for yourself?
Do you have a fight that you want or you don't know yet?
I want to fight for the belt.
That's what I want.
That's the last thing I have to do in this sport is be the undisputed world champion.
After I do that, anything you can do in the sport, I've done.
I have 30 fights in the UFC, been fighting a long time before the UFC.
That's the last thing I have to do.
But also, I don't want to attach myself to it too much to where if it doesn't happen or if I never get another title shot, that I judge my life's work on that.
I don't want to leave it like that.
So I'm just really practicing, trying to be content, like in the place and space that I'm in, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
I felt like when you won that fight, it's interesting how much, like I was in that bar, like me and my comedian friend Amir, we're in this bar in Australia.
We're watching and I'm like holding on to some guy and I don't even know.
Like everybody's just, people were on their edge of their seat.
There was like some guy left his wife right during it.
Like people were like, there was just so much going on, man.
But it felt like you almost felt the whole planet.
It felt like take an exhale.
Like, oh, yeah.
Like it felt like things were possible.
That's what was craziest about it.
I think, and somebody had a great tweet.
It was like Dustin for Humanity.
And I was like, man, that's exactly how it felt.
It was like...
Yes.
I think it made everybody just feel like, oh, there's still things that can happen in the world that like a guy stands a fighting chance.
For sure.
Yeah.
Dude, I missed a bounce back.
Every time I take an L, I come back.
You know, I come back.
And it's a challenge to myself every time because I've never lost two fights in a row.
Getting knocked out by Gage, jumping right back in camp, unsure of the future.
What if I, you know, I was in a bad place?
What if I lose this fight?
Where am I going to be at then?
You know?
But to get my hand raised and put on a performance like that is just like, fuck, man, hard work pays off.
Yeah.
Dude, that strut after.
What did Trump say to you after the fight?
I couldn't hear what he was saying.
I was talking to Dana and then somebody sitting next to Dana was telling me they bet like 200K on me or something like that.
And I was trying to get my 20% from him.
That's what I was talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
You're just walking around collecting, bro.
Like, hey, always be closing.
The work is done, baby.
We got to collect.
It looks like I'm talking to Trump, but I'm talking to somebody, Dana, and somebody sitting next to him.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
You're doing good.
You're great.
You're phenomenal.
Vice president.
Yeah, that's unbelievable, man.
God.
What is that?
How soon do you, after you, say you end up knocking someone out, what's the appropriate amount of time for you have to go over there and check on them?
Well, I guess everyone's different, but he was kind of sitting down for a while.
So, and the ref was waiting for us to get in the middle.
So I kind of helped him walk to the middle, talk to him a little bit.
It just depends how bad it is and how much they're moving, you know?
Right.
You never know.
Man, that's so wild.
Yeah, because I guess, can you kind of tell how, because you haven't been, having, having been knocked out or gotten knocked unconscious, you know what it's like.
I mean, you guys have that throughout your careers.
Yeah.
Because nobody's around knockouts as much as you guys.
Do you start to gauge how well a guy is after it kind of thing?
See, like, I've been in the corner of so many guys who have been knocked out and I've been around fights for so long.
So I kind of see when people go back to the locker room and they don't even remember what happened.
They keep asking the same questions over and over again.
Like, that's when you know it's serious.
Wow.
Yeah.
So I didn't go to his locker room and speak to him after.
So I don't know where he was, but he seemed like he shook back pretty quick in there.
He was talking pretty clear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Has Dana and Sean, have they offered you a title match yet?
No.
Okay.
No.
I don't know what's next, but I think we're going to hear it soon.
You think that?
Yeah, I know.
Oh, that seems interesting.
Yeah.
News alert.
Breaking news.
Yeah.
What about boxing?
You see this stuff?
Like, do you start to think as you get further in your career that there's a lot of people fighting going to boxing?
Tyson Pedro just went to boxing.
Did he?
Yep.
Wow.
He just started.
There's guys who go like that'll fight like in the Jake Paul, you know, in that world.
Do you see yourself ever doing something like that?
Would you ever count something like that out?
I'm 35 and I have, you know, I think five fights, six fights left on my current contract with UFC.
I don't know if I'm ever going to fight that out.
You know, am I going to fight six more times and become a free agent?
I don't, I don't know, but I would love to box.
Yeah.
So even if you were to go to boxing, do you have, does that UFC have to have a part in that fight?
Well, if you're still under contract, if I fight whatever's left on my contract and I'm a free agent, that can do whatever I want.
Right.
Yeah.
But if not, and there's not like an equal parting, then even if you were to go do boxing, like Tyron Woodley went and boxed.
He was out of his contract.
Oh, he was out of his contract.
I think the only person who's ever done that is Connor, where UFC co-promoted it and got a cut of it.
But it was against Mayweather.
But it was such a big fight, everybody won.
That makes sense.
Other than that, I don't think the UFC would let anybody do that.
Yeah, because it would open up a can of worms.
I think it would just open up a crazy can of worms where now Dana, he doesn't want to, it doesn't seem like help promote a lot of that.
Yeah.
And he's built the UFC, the brands, it's so strong now.
I don't know if they want to give any other brands a rub by co-promoting and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And we fight mixed martial arts.
You know, boxing is a part of mixed martial arts, but it's a whole different thing, man.
Do you think it would be something like when you think about that, is it something that's kind of interesting?
Or do you feel like, I just like mixed martial arts?
Because you're great on your, you know, one of your, like even with BSD or BDS, I can't remember, but he.
BSD.
BSD.
He, it felt like he didn't.
They didn't want to have you on the feet that much, you know?
Yeah.
Felt like it, it wasn't a preference of his.
Just watching.
And every time we went to the ground, I took myself down.
I never got taken down once by him.
I was jumping guillotines, you know, ending up on my back.
Yeah, I never got taken down, but we worked wrestling really hard that camp.
We thought he was going to be diving for my legs, you know.
He just seemed a little bit slow on the feet.
And, you know, if you stand in front of me, he didn't have great head movement in his fights, the videos we watched.
If you stand in front of me, like, I'm going to get you.
You know, something's going to land that's going to hurt you, especially over five rounds.
That's why I asked the UFC for it to be a 25-minute fight.
I didn't want to do three rounds because if this guy pushes me against the fence and I lose one round, you know, like I think the better fighter wins over the long run.
So I asked them for five rounds and they gave it to us.
Yeah, what is that?
What are those moments like when you're just up against the fence and it just feels like it feels like two neighbors kind of just like are like having an issue about something?
Bro, fighting is like when you're not touching each other, like when you're squared off, like feigning and throwing punches, that's just like, it's, it's chaotic.
But when you get to the fence or you get on the ground and you're kind of, you know, pummeling and stuff like that, that's when like reality sets in, where you get like a moment of clarity.
Like, oh, shit, this is happening.
Oh, damn, I'm against the fence.
He's kneeing me.
But like, you don't think, you don't have time to think when you're fighting.
Like, if you're scrambling on the ground or throwing combinations and blocking kicks and firing punches back, it's, it's kind of chaotic.
You're not thinking, you're just reacting.
But whenever you get to the fence and a guy's clinching you and you have time to think, you're like, oh, shit, that's when it sets in.
This is happening.
Wow.
Yeah, because you almost have moments, there's times where you see the fighters kind of look around or they'll just be locked in a moment and they'll just kind of engage with somebody almost.
Yeah.
It's surreal.
Like when that moment of clarity sets in, when the fight slows down a little bit, it's pretty crazy, man.
Because then you can hear the crowd and sometimes I can hear the commentators.
Like I hear Joe Rogan through the fence talking.
It's crazy.
If boxing, yeah, so who would you fight if you had to do a celebrity boxing match?
Do you have any thoughts on it, Eber?
Biden, maybe?
Oh, dude.
Yeah, he already lost on.
That's true.
The bell might wobble him when it starts.
You ready?
Fight.
He's like, oh, shit.
Yeah, I think even if they let him use like 12-year-old kids as smelling salts, though, I think he might bounce back, you know?
Or fight Hunter Biden.
Oh, that would be a good one.
Coked up?
Sure.
Yeah, that would be a good one.
I'd hate to fight all coked up.
Yeah.
It'd be the worst.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of something else I was going to ask you about.
They should do Trump Biden.
They should do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be a good one.
That'd be a pay-per-view blockbuster.
Yeah, I wonder who would actually...
I don't know if Trump.
Trump does this.
He has like that.
Seems a little bit more pepping and stealth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he might have a little bit more.
I'd bet the money line on Alan, Trump.
Did you, can you bet on yourself legally?
I used to be able to.
Ever since like maybe a year ago, they put in that claw or that rule, we can't.
So I've completely stopped.
But I still bet on boxing and football and stuff.
Can anyone in your house that could be on?
I bet on myself.
Sorry to cut you off.
I bet on myself a bunch of times coming up.
Like when I first started fighting in Vegas, you know?
Oh, yeah.
Really?
What's the most that you ever bet on yourself, you think?
Not much.
Maybe 500, 1,000, maybe.
That's a lot, though, when you're coming up.
Yeah, that was a lot.
That's a lot, dude.
I don't know if I've ever laid $1,000 on somebody.
Maybe I have.
I can't get in one of my accounts, so I haven't even been able to bet on you in a long time.
That last one would have been a good one.
I know.
I think by knockout, I was like plus 370.
Oh, God.
I got to fucking figure out.
I think they stole my money.
But yeah, I don't even know what company it was.
But yeah.
What do you think, man?
I was going to say this.
A lot of people are talking about aliens all the time, and I'm talking about Joe Rogan.
But if they attack us, right?
And we have to send five UFC fighters to save the planet, you get to go, right?
And you have to pick four to go with you.
Who do you think you got?
Like current fighters or just all-time?
Ooh, let's say current just to keep it.
Yeah.
John Jones, for sure.
Oh, John Jones, for sure.
Why?
Because of the length?
He's the best that do it.
Right.
Yeah.
And he's big.
And he's big.
Yeah.
So we got that.
Maybe get a small person.
We need like a 125 or something.
Maybe the champ Pantosia.
So we got a big guy, got a small guy.
Pantosia speaks Spanish too, and I don't know what aliens speak, but.
That's good to have some diversity on our side.
Maybe toss a girl in there too?
Yeah.
Because we might, you never know.
Yeah.
Who's the new girl that just came over from PFL?
Yeah, Kayla Harrison.
Toss her on the team too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so you got Kayla Harrison, John Jones, Pantages.
Pantosia.
Pantojas, sorry.
All right.
And damn.
Do we need another big guy, you think?
How big are these aliens?
Well, I'll say this.
A lot of them, they're lateral movement struggles, but they can like blink and order Starbucks.
So it's a lot of mental game.
You might need a.
Dang.
I'd bring Gaci.
You know, I'd bring Gaiti.
Yeah, you guys are warriors.
He can go on the front line like the wrecking ball.
We'll send him over first.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They asked for somebody else, but you just tell them it was him.
He just fucking go.
They want you over there, buddy.
Yeah.
He would go anyway, man.
One of the best things that I ever saw was like one of the first UFC fights I ever went to.
He's just backstage.
He's in the backstage and literally just walking around almost looking like he was going to fight anybody.
He's like, I'm ready to fight anybody.
He was fighting that night?
No, he wasn't.
That was the crazy part.
But it was just like showing up, like showing I'm ready, you know?
It seems like there's a lot of like, cause you just get so few chances to show your shine and your sport.
Well, every, dude, every time we go out there, it's the Super Bowl, you know?
It's not like we have, we trained three, four months to prepare for this moment.
It could be 15 or 25 minutes.
The whole world's watching.
There's no redos.
There's no finger pointing.
My teammates weren't picking up the slack or whatever.
It's all you.
And if you lose, it's going to be a while until you get that opportunity again.
So every one's the Super Bowl.
every fight's the biggest fight.
Damn.
It's exciting, but it's scary at the same time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's what makes it so appealing to so many people.
I mean, the sport's grown so much since you've been in it.
Have you felt that as a competitor?
100%.
Really?
Yeah.
Big time.
Not as a competitor, but like as a fan of the sport and just watching it grow and the new fan base, you know, because when I first started, it was older, like older men watching this.
Now kids and even grandmothers are talking about fighting at the grocery store.
You know, if I go get some groceries right now, I'm going to run into somebody and it can be back in the day, it was just like old dudes with beards, you know, talking about MMA.
Now it's such a big sport.
Everybody's kids are talking about it.
Soccer moms are talking about it.
It's cool to see the growth, the growth, but it's just crazy the different wave of fans that come in with that, you know?
Did you feel the growth, like being in the ring and stuff?
Has the size of venues that you guys have been in changed and stuff too over the years?
What's that been like?
The crowds.
Well, when I first started fighting in Vegas, it was at the Palms.
It might have, I don't even know, 1,500, 2,000 at the, yeah.
Really?
And that was the UFC fight night.
That was WEC.
UFC, they did big events like 10,000, or they go to the MGM or the Mandalay.
They might have like 18,000.
It was big, but they would only do pay-per-views every few months.
You know, now there's a fight every week.
Yeah.
Every week.
That's another thing that was cool at the beginning of Fighting 2 when I first got to the UFC.
Like you win a big fight.
That win, that high lasted for months because that's how long it was until the next event.
Oh, so you, yeah, you got to be the real.
Everybody's still talking about that last card.
Now you win on a Saturday.
It's already, by the time you fly back home, it's fight week again for somebody, you know?
So the focus of the media and everything switches to the new, the new guys coming up.
So I've noticed that big time.
Yeah, it's kind of a blessing and a curse because also then if you don't get the win, it's like that goes away pretty quick too.
Right.
Because somebody's getting fucked up the next Saturday.
Yeah, yeah.
And you're almost hoping somebody gets really fucked up so that people forget quicker.
Yeah.
I hope somebody gets kicked in the head.
That way they're talking about that one, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that because I remember Dominic Reyes.
Reyes?
No.
Dominic Cruz also got a head-to-head kick that win.
Oh, Cheeto.
Cheeto.
That was against Cheeto.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cheeto's a cool dude, man.
Yeah, Cheeto's a neat guy, man.
Oh, it was powerful to see him go against Sean for to stay in there.
Dude, he took some damage.
Man, he did.
That knee?
Oh, my.
I had to re-watch it because I was doing media right after the fight, so I missed it, but I went home and watched it.
Yeah.
It made my throat hurt for some reason.
He's never been finished, bro.
Never.
Yeah.
I think he wanted to stand on that.
It was amazing how Sean is just like.
Oh, my God.
Jeez.
Pez Dispencer.
Bro, I feel like, yeah, I feel like you.
That ain't good for you.
Somebody just opened up a pecan.
Yeah, cracked a pecan right there.
Remember that sound, bro?
Oh, yeah.
You guys had pecan trees in your yard growing up?
Yeah, I used to gather them up and go sell them.
That was beer money.
Was it?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, bro.
Yeah, when I was growing up, dude, a sack of pecans was something nice, dude.
I don't even know what they're going for now, but I used to have the tools where it rolls on the ground and picks them up.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
We used to go pick them up.
My buddy Robert, he was thought, he was kind of, his parents thought he was haunted or whatever because he had some, his mom was a nurse or whatever, but his dad was out of work.
But they, we would go over to his house.
He had a couple pecan trees.
Yeah, man.
We go pick them up.
But sometimes you get them maybe a little too early.
Yeah, they're green.
They're bitter.
Yeah.
You still have it, but you don't, you wish you hadn't had it.
Yeah.
Sometimes you got to shake the tree to make them fall, too.
Really?
Damn.
You never threw like sticks up in the tree to make it?
No, we threw sticks, but I wasn't over there just fucking shaking that bitch, dude.
Oh, yeah.
Climb up, get on a branch, shake them down.
Titou Ivasa or something.
Yeah, bro.
Oh, you can shake it.
Hello, bitch.
Those bitches up.
Yeah, bro.
Like Louisiana, we're the only people that call them pecans.
Everywhere it's pecan.
You've traveled a lot.
Yeah, I hear pecan a lot.
You hear pecan?
I don't.
Oh, look at this right here.
About to shake that bad boy.
Oh, yeah.
Mr. Weatherall, look at this thing.
I don't know what's going on here, man.
This dude, this looks like he's...
Look at that Ooh shorty Bro.
Twerk team.
Shorty getting wicked, huh?
Shaking him branches, boy.
Damn.
They need to do a Mr. Weatherall remix to this, then.
Look at that.
That thing shake what your mama gave, y'all.
You know what I mean?
Bro, that's crazy.
I wonder how many it says they got.
Did it say?
That's unbelievable.
I mean, that's thousands of pecans falling.
Because you know the green thing that goes around them, you know, and they're ready.
It opens up, it looks like, Right.
But if you shake that when they're open like that, bro, they'll all fall.
Bro, pecans were so good.
Sometimes you would get them at the right exact time and it would be a little bit sweet.
Yeah.
Oh.
That was so nice, bro.
I loved having that.
I like them fresh like that.
Yeah.
Get you a little snack.
They were pretty good.
What we got in the news?
Nick?
Drake gifted Sexy Red, Aiden Ross, J. Cole, and 21 Savage a heart shade.
But many people did not think it looked like a heart.
Oh, wow.
That's a scroll to.
Yeah, bro.
That's a different set of shit.
That's a bean bag right there.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's a.
It's got veins on it and everything.
Damn, he gave that to people to wear on their neck?
Dude, I'm not wearing some mixed guys' nuts on my neck.
Okay, I don't know how.
I don't care what if, even if it matches with a belt I have.
You ever see the big trucks with the balls hanging off the back on the toe?
That's what that looks like, bro.
Is that some kind of an ownership thing if you send somebody's nuts to somebody?
That to me seems like I wouldn't, like if somebody sent me their nuts, even if it was a hero of mine, you know, even if it was damn, trying to think of somebody, Willie Nelson or whatever, right?
If that dude sends me a golden nuts, I ain't wearing them bitches, dude.
I love them, but I'm not wearing them, bitches.
What if Lance Armstong send you one nut?
Would you wear that?
I'd wear maybe just an earring.
Yeah.
Especially if I'm biking, I'd wear that bitch.
Just one.
Solo.
Bro, having one nut has to be cool.
It's almost like mistletoe, I feel like, you know?
I feel like at that point.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think having one nut has got to be like a unique thing.
Two nuts.
I don't want more than two.
I know that.
Yeah, not two is a perfect amount.
Yeah, two really is, huh?
Yeah.
It's balance.
You balance.
Yeah, you almost can juggle it, but you can't, you know?
It's kind of a reminder.
Yeah.
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Governor DeSantis enacted a social media ban for children under 14. Oh.
It's supposed to go into effect January 1st, and kids 14 to 16 need their parents' permission.
My wife was just talking about that.
Really?
Yeah, Florida Governor Ronda Sanders signed one of the country's most restrictive social media bills into law Monday, banning children under the age of 14 from having accounts and requiring children age 14 to 16 to have parental consent to hold one.
Huh.
What do you think about that?
You guys have a child, Dave.
What's that like for you?
Do you think about this kind of stuff and the effects it could have on your kid?
For sure, man.
Yeah, we do.
And she's not on social media or anything like that, but she does have an iPad we give her on the weekends she can use.
Like Friday night, Saturday night when she's out of school, she's on it, you know?
Or if we're traveling, she'll watch movies and play games on her iPad.
But yeah, I don't think it's good, you know, like being at that age, 14, starting, you know, high school, your friends and who's popular at school, you know, it affects you like you're, I don't know, it's hard to put into words, but it's a big deal, man.
Think about how tough it was without this.
Yeah.
Now, now you have this and it's just, you see the bullying and stuff like that on there.
I don't think a kid can handle all that.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, well, they have so many kids that like have had taken their lives, had a lot of issues with online bullying.
And as a parent, the scary thing is a parent, you don't even know it's happening sometimes, I think.
So that's probably one of the things I think would probably be good if they had.
But also like raising a kid, all of her friends are going to be on social media when they get that age.
And she might be the weird one out if we don't let her.
It's a weird place to be in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think a lot of parents don't set controls on their kids' social media.
They just think the kid isn't going to get into stuff, you know?
Yeah.
But I think, yeah, I don't have any children, but yeah, it would seem like as a parent, you got to make those choices because your child's not really going to, you know, they're going to make some of them, but you got to really look out for your kid at all in every space.
And that's crazy because somebody could get to your child through social media.
It's just so wild, you know?
Right.
And just the stuff they're exposed to, man, the internet's a wild place.
Oh, it's horrible.
Yeah, dude.
She has like kids' YouTube.
We have like the parental settings and stuff on that.
She can go on YouTube on our stuff.
But yeah, I don't want her seeing even some stuff on YouTube is crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
What else did I say?
Oh, I saw that kid still hitting home runs.
You see that kid?
Big Al.
Remember him?
Big Al?
No.
The children's, he was a child, an Italian child.
I think he's, remember he hits, he's a kid.
This guy would hit home runs all the time?
Hi, my name's Alfred DeLia.
At home, they call me Big Owl and I hit dingers.
Hi, my name's Alfred DeLia.
At home, they call me Big Owl and I hit dingers.
And he grew up.
What is him as an adult?
Yeah, he's still hitting dingers.
Dingers.
That's got to be heavy for kids.
Yeah, I think kids, yeah, because if something happens to you when you're a kid and it goes big on social media, then you're that kid forever.
If you're like the kid that like yells a slur or something or calls somebody a G-A-Y or something when they're on like dental gas or whatever, and then that's who you are forever.
Like you can run for mayor years later on that, you know?
That dental gas will get you.
Oh, God, that shit is fun, huh?
You ever get any good gas, any good stuff to huff out there?
Whippets back in the day.
Not the dental gas.
Back when I used to work at a restaurant, we used to crack them whippets.
Oh, dude, the whipped cream, whenever they finally put it on dessert, that shit was just kind of dribbling out of there, bro.
It was dribbling out of my lungs.
Yeah, bro, there was nothing left for those.
There was no whipped cream left for your dessert.
Oh, man.
What's the number one fight that you would make outside of your division?
Is there a fight that...
I want to see him fight Max.
You do?
Yeah, because Volk was the only guy Max couldn't beat at 45. He's pretty much cleaned out the division.
Now there's a new youngblood, great striker, good grappler.
I think that would be an incredible fight, man.
Max versus Taporia.
Yeah, that's wild because who just called him out, too?
Sugar Sean just called him out?
Hold out.
Oh, that would be a good one, too.
Yeah.
Yeah, that would be a good one.
Do Max and Sugar Sean, are they in the same?
No.
Max is 45. Sean's 135.
Okay, wow.
But Sean's pretty tall, you know, pretty decent size for the division, but Max is a lot thicker than him.
So, but Sean might move up out of his division?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
He was talking about it.
Do you think about that for any more of your fights?
Are you happy in your division?
I'm happy.
Like a lot of people wanted me to go up to 170.
But dude, like this morning, I weighed myself when I woke up.
I was 173.
You know, I can't fight at 170 pounds.
Those guys are going to rehydrate and be 190 for fight night.
Like at the top, at the highest level, a guy with 20 pounds on you on fight night, you know, in grappling positions and side control, half guard, it's just that weight really matters when guys know how to use it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about this guy?
You ever heard him?
Blood Diamond is his name?
Yeah.
Is he not a Sonya's friend?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I've seen him fight, but I don't know much about him.
I wonder if there'd ever be a fight for like the real, you know, the less, you know, the, the, No, what is?
He's 170, I believe.
170, if you'd ever go up just to put an end to the...
Those guys are huge.
Yeah.
I used to get a lot heavier, though.
Like, the last couple of years, I've been walking around a lot lighter.
Really?
Yeah.
Outside of training camp, I've been eating clean.
You know, before I would get in shape during camp, and then after the fight, eat pizza every day and enjoy life.
But the older I got, the easier it is for me to just eat healthy and be all right.
I don't need to eat all that crazy stuff.
Right.
You just start caring about you.
You just start having more of a general care about yourself.
What else?
Oh, yeah.
I saw this right here.
Furious parents offered version of school class photo without complex needs pupils.
So you can get, you can pay more money.
And if your school has like special needs kids or whatever, they'll take them out of the photos at school.
Huh?
I mean, that's crazy to me, dude.
That's, it's just everything you got to pay for now.
Soon they're going to make it.
They're going to start.
Every kid is on crutches in the picture, right?
So, and if you pay a little bit more, then a couple kids come off crutches.
Then somebody gets, you know, somebody will get every kid like loses like body hair or whatever.
Just, it's going to get, I feel like you have to keep paying to get an actual picture of your child, you know?
Yeah.
No, I didn't see that.
But yeah, everybody's going to start in a wheelchair and the more you pay, then you finally get the crutches from the wheelchair.
Yeah, yeah.
A boot, no crutches.
Yeah, we keep moving.
Just an arm brace.
Yeah.
Shoulder sling, the more you pay?
Yeah, neck brace.
Right.
That's ridiculous.
Oh, man.
Yeah, what do you feel like, man?
Do you feel like you're getting towards the end of your career?
Do you feel like you're just figuring it out?
Do you feel like it's up to you?
Do you feel like it's up to the UFC?
What does it feel like, kind of?
It's definitely up to me.
And, you know, my wife, my coaches, they want me to keep going.
My wife wants me to stop, but my coaches know I still have it.
I'm just taking it one fight at a time.
I still feel good.
Like I said, my wife wants me to stop, though.
My daughter wants me to stop too.
Oh, she does?
Yeah.
What did she say?
Yeah, well, like, what is that?
Like, because at a certain point, it kind of turns on for your kid what's going on.
She's old enough now.
She knows that I fight, you know?
She knows what it is.
And she wants me to be home.
You know, when I do camps, I'm going for eight weeks.
They'll come out for two weeks.
We try not to do more than two weeks apart.
So I'll do like the first two weeks and they'll meet me and I'll do the last two weeks.
But she doesn't want me to fight anymore.
She doesn't Want to see me come home with stitches, you know?
Since she was a baby, she's been like pulling stitches out of my face and stuff after fights.
Oh, that's insane!
Yeah, it's almost that's almost like on Lady and the Tramp when the kids meet at the spaghetti or something a little bit.
That's a different version of that.
Yeah, where the puppies meet or whatever.
What's your favorite business you have?
You got involved in some businesses outside of work, man.
What's that been like for you?
Becoming more of like a business guy?
Is that enough of a thing to entertain you enough outside of the sport and to keep you busy enough?
Like, has that started to tip the scales enough?
I think that's another thing that happens in people's lives who also have the opportunity to get into business is at a certain point, the business, you know, can start to become something that still appeases them and makes them feel, you know, like busy, like you like to stay busy.
Yeah, but it's about balance.
Like I can't do too much of the business because it takes away from the fighting and fighting is still my main thing.
But the business stuff keeps me busy.
It's fun.
It's new.
You know, I'm learning a lot.
I have the hot sauce, have a bourbon, have a liquor store in Lafayette.
Hopwater, I'm partnering with them.
You know, just have a lot of stuff going on outside of fighting that keeps me busy.
And that's good, man.
You know, like I said, I have to be busy.
I have to be busy.
Yeah.
But it's, but it's balance.
Yeah.
It's balance.
So right now you train right now?
Yeah, I'm going to go box tonight.
And this Friday, I'm going to do jiu-jitsu, but I'm still training.
Okay.
Five-mile fries.
What do y'all do?
Five-mile Sundays?
Five-mile Sundays.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
How miles is fun, huh?
Yeah, I do it fasted.
Like at the end of my training camp, I do 24-hour fasts and then finish my fast with the run.
Then I'll break my fast.
For run, Madonna, or whatever?
Nothing, huh?
Yeah.
That's not it, no.
No, no, it's similar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Somebody was doing that.
Yeah, at this vape shop.
It is run Madonna right now, yeah?
It's got to be, yeah.
This fucking guy wouldn't shut up about it.
A mirror, probably.
Yeah, it could have been a mirror.
But yeah, this guy got fucking vaping.
I'm like, dude, if you vape enough fucking watermelon, that's counts as eating.
If you do 200 puffs, dude, that counts as eating.
March 10th.
It's April 9th.
What other avenue can we go down here?
Dustin, is there something else that you want to think about?
How have you been doing, man?
I've been doing pretty good, dude.
I think, you know, I still, yeah, everything's been fun.
I think sometimes I get busy with work and it feels like I don't even know what I'm doing.
You're just going, almost going through the motion sometimes.
So it's like that feels tough sometimes.
Or it just feels like a challenge, I guess.
Like, am I doing anything that means anything?
Or am I just like showing up to work each day?
Like clocking in.
Yeah.
Even though it's your own job and things you want to be doing, it still like sometimes feels like that.
What else?
Yeah, I still have a lot of trouble like feeling like proud of myself.
You know, I think about that kind of stuff a lot.
And I talked about that with people on the podcast, just like what it's like to, it's just so hard for me to, like, people are always like, man, you should take a moment and just feel happy.
And it's like, it just, I always want to, there's always a part of me that's trying to figure out the next thing.
You know, it's really hard to just feel good about something, you know?
So I don't know what that's about.
What else outside of that?
Your show was going good in Louisiana?
Yeah, dude.
We had fun.
That was some of my best shows, man.
I know you guys came out to the last one at UNO.
And that was awesome.
We still have a lot of people that talk about that.
You were there.
I ran into a guy at the gym the other day.
He's like, yeah, you brought out Dustin.
That was awesome.
But we had some great shows this weekend.
Nice.
I just got a cyber truck, too.
Oh, you were telling me that?
Yeah.
You got it?
Yeah.
How is it?
It's wild, bro.
I mean, for one, you feel like you kind of work at Lowe's kind of a little because it feels like you're supposed to be like delivering something to somebody, but you never drop it off.
What do you put back there?
I don't.
Well, no, it's just the whole car feels a little bit like an appliance.
Yeah.
So it feels like sometimes somebody's just going to open up the back and just put a TV dinner in it.
It just has this like kind of, or just put a load of laundry in there, just press a button.
It has an appliance-y kind of feel, but then it makes this sound when you go fast and it literally feels like you're going into the future.
Nice.
And some people don't know what it is.
Like there was a guy who like, I don't know if he was homeless or not, but he just, he just seemed really homeless.
And he, he was like, what is it?
What is it?
You know, and then he just kind of started yelling at it and just cracked a beer open.
And I was like, God.
I feel a little bit like, because people look over at it.
And then, well, first I thought the windows were tinted, right?
And they're not.
So I'm like, Elon, fucking, how much to tent these windows?
Probably like $112, bro.
And I ordered this bitch.
Got a buddy here.
I'm going to do it for you.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You got a buddy here who will do it?
Oh, yeah.
Good, bro.
I got to pull up on somebody, bro.
Get some of that swamp dogness on it, bro.
Just get it a little bit brackish, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Sure.
But so that's interesting.
I think I was a little bit embarrassed, like, at first, like, because everybody looks at it and you kind of don't want to be the center of attention sometimes.
So you're like, and yeah, and I thought it was, so I'm in there, like, just being alive and shit.
And you're like, oh, everybody can see in here.
I thought nobody could see in because people would be at stoplights just recording a lot of times.
And I'd be like, I'm safe in here, you know?
And then I'm not.
And so that was dumb.
But yeah, what's it like?
It definitely feels like the future of some.
It looks like the future.
Yeah.
They have big tires on them, right?
Yeah, the tires feel like, oh, they almost feel like they're from some vehicle out of like a sci-fi movie or something.
Yeah.
It's got a sci-fi kind of feel to it.
I've only seen once, one in person.
Yeah.
In Miami, yeah.
You did?
Yeah.
Was it, what was he?
Yeah, what was it like?
At first, I was like, I don't know how I feel about it, but it's growing on me for sure.
it looks strange to me.
It's cool.
It's different.
Yeah, I was surprised.
I ordered it four years ago and I got home and my buddy John Shahidi is close with Elon and they just got me like an early one of it.
Yeah, I ordered it four years ago, I think.
Wow.
When did that order go out for Tesla first?
I didn't even know about them four years ago.
Yeah, they started taking orders.
Yeah, Tesla can be 2019.
That's when they started taking pre-orders.
I'll put that $100 down on that site.
Because you got to think, even if a million people put on, that's $100 million they made right there.
It's a lot of trucks to make.
Erning's call in October must said demand was off the charts and everything over 1 million people have paid $100 a year.
So you think there's so there's news we're going to hear, Dustin?
That's what I'm feeling out of you?
We'll see.
Okay, that's fair, man.
cool bro you're gonna be Yeah, in Indiana next weekend, Anthony Pettis has his own fight promotion.
They're doing a big event up there.
I'll be watching fights with the fans, signing autographs, hanging out.
Okay.
And also, UFC 300, I'll be at the Mohegan Sun doing a viewing party.
Oh, yeah.
Sportsbook there, so we're going to be watching the fights.
Okay, bet.
Oh, nice, man.
And then you're going, are you going to go see Tiago fight this week?
So, yeah, Tiago's fighting Perry.
Mike Perry, huh?
Yeah, in LA.
I want to go to it.
I'm just not sure yet.
Yeah, God, that's going to be wild.
Yeah.
It's going to be insane, bro.
Is this Tiago's first bare knuckle fight?
No, no, he was the champion.
Oh, he was?
Oh, I got to get up on game, man.
Yeah.
Have you ever been to a bare knuckle event?
No.
Bro, it's different.
I don't know if I'm ready.
Like the bone on bone.
It's rough.
It's rough.
Oh, yeah.
There's got to be.
There he is right there.
Oh, my God.
There's a lot of organ donors in there.
Dude, Tiago is so tough, man.
He's a vet, legend of the game.
Great coach as well.
The nicest guy.
If you didn't tell me that he was, I would not even think it.
Yeah.
He's solid, man.
Wow.
I think that last fight, though, he came to the gym the next week.
His hand looked like a balloon that you, you know, like a glove, doctor glove that you blow up or something.
It's just like puffy.
He broke his fingers and knuckles.
Yeah.
That's wild.
That's going to be a war, man.
Isn't it so amazing how Mike Perry has found such a home in this sport?
This is perfect for him, man.
He's the face of bare knuckle fighting now, you know?
So wild.
Yeah, his style and his grit, just how crazy he is.
This is perfect for him.
Yeah, it's amazing how it all kind of like things evolve where there is a space for everybody, you know?
Yeah.
He found his spot for sure.
Wasn't Jerar Mearshart just in this, too?
No, he's still in the UFC.
Oh, he is?
Yeah, that was Luke Rockhold.
Oh, yeah, Rockhold's fighting this week or something.
He just fought.
No, I think he's fighting karate combat versus just Joe Schilling.
Oh, those are interesting.
I haven't been to one of those.
You've been to one of those?
No, I've never been to one.
Yeah.
It's pretty much just like MMA, except they might only grapple for a couple seconds if it goes to the ground.
So it's just like kickboxing with small gloves.
Yeah, there you go.
Oh, that'd be interesting.
That's going to be a good one, man.
Yeah.
Dustin Poirier, man.
Good to see you, bro.
Thank you so much for just the fights over the years, giving us all like just, yeah, man.
It's just been so fun to be along for some of your journey.
And yeah, just give us inspiration, man.
You know, you give so much inspiration to us, no matter your outcome, I think, these days that it's, there's a lot of times I want to give up and I'll just think of how you are and I don't do it, you know?
And so I just want to say thank you on behalf of, I know, not just myself, man.
Thank you, man.
So we appreciate you, bro.
Excited to see what happens next.
Yeah, buddy.
In all facets, baby.
Yeah, we'll see what happens this coming weekend or two weeks away at UFC 300.
I think that's going to shake the division up a little bit.
And we'll see what's next.
Let's go.
Strappy Gilmore.
I will fucking punch somebody's fucking stephusband out.
Fuck.
Dustin Poirier, thank you so much, bro.
Amen.
Now I'm just falling on the breeze.
And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.
I found I can feel it in my bones.
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