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Jameis Winston is an NFL quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. He has previously played for the New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and also won a Heisman Trophy and National Championship at Florida State University. Jameis Winston joins Theo in New Orleans on Easter weekend to chat about growing up in Alabama vs Louisiana, why his childhood dog was named “Baghdad”, his new role in Cleveland after signing with the Browns, his mentality on opportunity and self-confidence, why Drew Brees never seasoned his food, and much more. Jameis Winston: https://www.instagram.com/jaboowins/?hl=en ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Gametime: Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code WEEKEND for $20 off your first purchase. ZipRecruiter: Go to http://ziprecruiter.com/theo to amp up your hiring performance with ZipRecruiter. Shady Rays: Go to http://shadyrays.com and use code THEO for $20 OFF each pair of polarized sunglasses. Tommy John: Go to http://tommyjohn.com/theo to get 20% off your first order. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	We're coming to you today from Bar Mary Lou in New Orleans, Louisiana.
	And we're grateful to sit down today with NFL quarterback, Heisman Trophy winner, and one of the most charismatic guys in the league.
	Today's guest is Mr. Jameis Winston.
	Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I'm going to stay I'll be right back
	Yeah, because I met somebody where I was at the grocery yesterday and I met a guy.
	He said, he always sees you in there getting a lot of juices.
	Where you at?
	Whole Foods or Fresh Market?
	Yeah.
	I'm in there, man.
	Are you?
	Yeah, I'm in there.
	Like, I get the watermelon juice.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, I got a watermelon juice right here.
	Oh, you do, huh?
	I do.
	All right.
	I keep it, man.
	Okay.
	Good for circulation.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Good for the body.
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	He keeps that thing on him, I heard.
	I keep it.
	That watermelon juice, bro.
	Yeah, you got look.
	If you can't get to one in real time, keep the juice out of it.
	I feel that.
	Yeah, man.
	Thanks for coming in, bro.
	No, thank you.
	I'm thankful for this, man.
	I admire you, your story.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I've been a lifelong Saints fan, too.
	So, yeah, this is really just a nice opportunity, man, to get to sit down with you today.
	Yeah, we went to the basketball game last night.
	Pales.
	Yeah.
	You been?
	Yeah, I've been to the Pails games.
	Yeah, I enjoy it.
	I enjoy the city, man.
	Smoothie King.
	Yeah.
	We went to one of my old recruits back at Florida State, Malachi Dupree, went to LSU.
	We went to his little sushi spot.
	Me and Cam Jordan and a good friend, Stone, my wife, his wife.
	And we met a couple that just came from the game.
	They were celebrating their second year anniversary.
	Last night?
	Yeah, she had like on her Pills chain and everything.
	And I was like, hey, man, y'all celebrating?
	Did the Pills win?
	Yeah.
	Last night, you know, you celebrate your anniversary.
	And they were talking about, yeah, we came all the way from Mississippi.
	I said, okay, that's not that far, but to celebrate the anniversary, it is.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think the anniversary is important, man.
	No doubt.
	I celebrated mine Wednesday.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah, no doubt.
	Nice.
	What'd y'all do?
	Man, four seasons at the four seasons.
	Really?
	Yeah, you're four at the fourth season.
	Oh, that's how you do it?
	No doubt.
	We did it right.
	Wow.
	So I guess you got to find something that rhymes, huh?
	Each time you think?
	Or like for fifth, what do you have to do then?
	Cinco de Mayo?
	Cinco de Mayo.
	That's my birthday.
	Oh, it is?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you can't mix them then.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, what else?
	Yeah, I grew up not far across the lake, man.
	So I'm from this area.
	Coventry, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You've been over there?
	Well, I've driven over there to go to Alabama.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm from Birmingham, Belsman.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, what was it like in your town growing up?
	Pretty small area?
	Yeah, pretty small, intimate.
	But we had like a lot of celebrity, not celebrities, but some of the greatest athletes there.
	Like Bro Jackson, like D'Amico Rhines, who coached for Titans, huh?
	The Texans.
	Texans, yeah.
	Yeah, so like Carrie Rhodes, Corey White.
	We had a lot of sports figures.
	Willie Mays was right down, like about 15 minutes there from Fairfield.
	Willie Mays?
	Willie Mays, man.
	Did you ever get to see him when you were a child?
	Well, no, he's a little older than me.
	Right.
	But even when you were a child.
	Oh, he was already deceased or now?
	No, he wasn't deceased, but I never got to meet him.
	You think he'd drive down there and meet him?
	Well, I played it like his baseball field.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah.
	Oh, nice.
	No doubt.
	It was cool.
	And yeah, what was it like?
	Did you have any pets growing up?
	Yeah, I had two pets.
	I had two pit bulls.
	One name was, his name was Baghdad.
	Oh, damn.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think.
	He was a service dog?
	He was definitely a service dog.
	But he was Bagdad because, I guess, the time that everything was going on.
	And when we first got him, he was really a rescue.
	He was into fighting and stuff.
	And he was all ate up and everything.
	Oh, damn.
	And he really just, he became my best friend.
	Really?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because, you know, like a lot of people are scared of pit bulls.
	Yeah.
	And he was a little timid at first just because of what he went through.
	And like, and me and my dad was like, man, you know, he went through war.
	And at that time, you know, we were, like, it was during the early 2000s when a lot of things, a lot of events had happened.
	In the Middle East.
	Yeah, in the Middle East.
	Yeah.
	So we named him Baghdad.
	You know?
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	And another one was Ice.
	Oh, now Ice seemed like he'd been into some other stuff.
	It was a she.
	It was a she.
	Okay.
	I'm just saying, Ice seemed like he might have got off into the drug.
	We got her from a, from a kid, from a, is it, is it litter or kit, kitty?
	I think it's one of them.
	We got her from a kennel.
	Oh, yeah.
	So she was a puppy, and we had her, and she was just, she was feisty.
	Really?
	Yeah, she was feisty.
	A lot of these, yeah.
	A lot of women, females are overall.
	And that's fine.
	Yeah, it is.
	Look, they got to be.
	To each his own.
	Yeah.
	You just want to be feisty, man.
	Yeah, it seemed like you might have, did y'all have a cat or not?
	You don't see a lot of, did y'all ever own a cat?
	Nah.
	I'm not a cat guy.
	One of my best friends owned.
	He's a cat guy.
	Yeah.
	You don't see, I mean, I think you don't see a lot of brothers with cats either, to be honest.
	Honestly, growing up, I used to see a lot of stray cats because in the house I grew in, we had a lot of rats in the bottom of the house.
	So like them cats, they'll come and get them rats.
	It was really like, I was a big fan of Tom and Jerry.
	Yeah.
	Like that showing.
	I had real life Tom and Jerry moments.
	The cats.
	Like we had people staying up in the back.
	We had the cats running through.
	They was alley cats too.
	Like they were some bad because them rats, they was big.
	They were swole.
	Damn, you look down living on Noah's Ark, bro.
	Hey, man, it was a lot of species multiplying.
	I'm trying to tell you.
	Pop roaches, everything.
	Oh, at night, you've turned it.
	Yeah, you turn the lights off.
	You hear some romantic music going.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And them animals are figuring it out, baby.
	One of the most memorable things was the light bugs.
	Do you remember light bugs?
	Did y'all have light bugs?
	I feel like they're extinct, bro.
	I haven't seen any light bugs.
	Well, I think there's so much light now that's in the cities because in the day they didn't have as much, you know, like, especially if you're in the country, you're in a smaller environment.
	There's not, you're not, people aren't running around with so much lights everywhere.
	You might have a porch light, maybe like a flood light by the garage.
	Yeah.
	So right off in the distance, you would see them.
	But now I think also when you're in a city, if you see a light bug in a city, he lost.
	He got to be lost.
	I mean, he ain't.
	He probably did.
	He probably got hit by a windshield or something.
	So got knocked off, and now he lost in the city.
	That'd be a good movie, wouldn't it?
	A lost light bug.
	But they call them fireflies.
	Like, I never knew, understood.
	The lost flyer.
	But I think fireflies are maybe the ones that are out there popping off.
	They shooting, bro.
	I think light bugs are the ones that's out there really spreading the word, I feel like.
	Yeah.
	Because a light bug was amazing.
	When you were a kid and you saw a light bug, it was.
	Because you didn't think it was anything in the dark.
	And then shoot.
	You see him.
	Like, literally, and they like glow and they come back.
	They go dark and glow.
	And it's like, you end up falling.
	It's like, you know, it's like at a kid, you know how you practice slow motion stuff.
	It's like you would mimic the light bubbles just going slow and just seeing them just fly.
	And they move like so subtle.
	And then they disappear and you run back and tell your parents.
	And that's when your mom usually like say to the dad, I think he's been smoking dirt.
	Well, it was so many.
	Like we used to get flooded with light bugs.
	You know what I'm saying?
	We had rats and the cats, but yeah, I remember they had, because we would try to catch them in a jar.
	If my grandmother would let it would give us like a little jar, like a mason jar or whatever, we try to catch them in there.
	But then they die if you don't put the air in it.
	Yeah, they die.
	Yeah, we just catch them in our hands and let them go.
	We end up squishing them.
	It'd be sad.
	But some of my younger cousins, they would just take the light out of there.
	Just kill them.
	Just pull it out.
	Oh, dang.
	Somebody grew up to be an electrician, probably.
	Most likely.
	Because that is intense behavior.
	To pull the light out of it?
	I don't think they had a lot of electricity.
	Okay.
	I think they were pulling their soul out.
	It was the light.
	If something's flying around and they just got about half a watt on them.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	You got to take it.
	Like, put it on top of your head.
	Like, dang, I got an idea to take this from you.
	Oh, that's wild, man.
	Yeah, I love stuff like that.
	I loved being like a child and like, cause every experience was so new.
	Everything when I was a kid was new, man.
	That's one thing that I really miss.
	Like, you dressed so innocent as a kid.
	Like, not much heartbreak, not much real failure.
	You know, everything is just a new experience to you.
	Like, you always know, like, if I fall down, I'm getting right back up.
	I'm continuing to play.
	I feel like when we were young, like, everyone was outside.
	You know, it wasn't like a video game time or anything like that.
	Like, we was outside playing.
	We're getting to know other people.
	We're getting into fights.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Look, who stole my cousin's bike?
	Like, we're going on real search hunts.
	Like, who stole my cousin's bike?
	Yeah.
	And stuff like that.
	And then it was your other cousin.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Your other cousin.
	Who was actually your true blood cousin?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because your uncle had another lady up the street that you didn't know about.
	And that was what it was, man.
	They met through choir, and that's what it was, man.
	So singing will bring people together.
	Yeah, I loved like little neighborhood stuff when you had your friends and you would go outside and see them.
	I loved stuff like that.
	We played a lot of football outside.
	We play in the street even, too.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Did y'all play like throw them up, bust them up?
	Like, what did y'all play, two-hand touch?
	We would play the game where somebody throws it up and then you just run and hit them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Throw them up, bust them up.
	Bro.
	Yeah, different.
	Yeah.
	And we lost some people.
	Did you have the same hair?
	Like, because I feel like your hair is built for that type of game.
	Oh, yeah.
	But my hair would stand out.
	It would stand up?
	Yeah.
	My hair catching out route, bro.
	I didn't even got to raise my hands.
	Man, it looks solid.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Thanks, bro.
	You can't throw a nan through that.
	Oh, yeah.
	I got, yeah.
	This is really some Jalen Ramsey hair, I feel like.
	It's a real, I got some shutdown corners on this thing.
	Oh, you do.
	Lockdown.
	And that he is.
	You have a lot going on, man, in your life right now, huh?
	I do.
	I do.
	Blessed, man.
	You're going to be moving, man.
	Yeah.
	No, I am.
	I am.
	And I'm happy.
	I'm happy for increase.
	I think that's the biggest part.
	You know how it is.
	Any part of your life, you get to choose how you view it.
	And obviously, you being from this city, you know how much this city is, how this city rock with their football team.
	Oh, man.
	Man, I'm excited for Cleveland, bro.
	I'm excited to get to work.
	I'm excited to have an opportunity to be at a story franchise and bring them hope.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How do you, what is like the process as that happens?
	Like, how do you find out that you're going to go somewhere else?
	What's that process like?
	It's like a vetting process.
	Well, you know, you got some type of inclination.
	Like when you've been in a place for four years and you haven't like moved up in, like, look at it as a company.
	If you haven't moved up in a company and year by year, like you moving down, like eventually, like you about to get replaced or you're about to be out of there or like they're not going to invest in you or they don't think that you're worthy of an investment.
	So you go and look for other opportunities.
	And the best thing is when the opportunity presents itself to you because then you can grasp it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	When you are in a position where like you are starving for opportunities, that's a little bit more challenging.
	So this one, in this case, man, it was a great opportunity with Cleveland.
	And you got agents and you have relationships that you build with these coaches and GMs, general managers of the team.
	You feel good about it there?
	Yeah, I feel good about it because how I view it, bro, it's the opportunity.
	It's the opportunity to impact.
	It's the opportunity to increase.
	It's the opportunity to better myself.
	And I know I'm a strong component of like change is what you make it, bro.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Sometimes we need that shift, that paradigm shift to challenge us, to put us in a new environment.
	Yeah, I feel that a lot, man.
	I feel that even as like there are moments in my own life and career where things have been going well.
	And then there's moments where things feel like they haven't, my perception of things is that they haven't been going well.
	And man, sometimes I get scared of how I behave when things aren't going well or the feelings that come up, the fears that like take over how I operate.
	Or yeah, I'll get into like not as much a desperation mode because I've had some experience with some of it now.
	But I do get into, yeah, the first thing to leave is my faith or confidence that things are going to be okay a lot of times.
	Yeah, you know, because it feels scary.
	Well, I think like the fear, the fear part is that's what, um, that's what grabs you, you know, that's what puts you in that fight or flight stage.
	But when you, you said faith, like faith is the first thing that you should hold on to because faith is really the things that you believe in that you have not seen.
	Like typically when you experience pain, it's something that you have experienced.
	You've seen it.
	It's happened to you.
	And I think that's why I'm always in this position because my faith allows me to hope for more, to want more, right?
	And like, and to dig in even deeper.
	You know, I feel like when you are, when you think of a seed, right?
	If I look at a seed, like, let's do it, let's do an acorn.
	Like, you look at an acorn, right?
	It's a seed.
	It's a good seed too.
	And acorn is turning to oak trees.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Did you know that?
	That's a good point.
	Right.
	So that seed, but for that seed to grow into what it needs to become, it has to, it has one, it has to break.
	Like that seed has to be broken.
	Right.
	And then it has to get rooted.
	So before it sprouts up, it has to go down into the earth and establish a foundation.
	So when you think about challenges, right?
	It's telling you, like, it's the Lord telling you, like, hey, man, like, we're going to have to have a shift.
	You got to get rooted in a real foundation, which is me, right?
	Which is the Lord, which is Jesus.
	Oh, yeah.
	Right.
	That's your foundation.
	Yeah.
	And before you can grow up, right, you're going to have some little seedlings, right?
	You're going to have a little cracks in here.
	You might have a little bird trying to come and snatch you out.
	But through that trial, you're going to be able to turn to this beautiful oak tree and you're going to be able to be fruitful and give to others through your testimony, through your experiences.
	And when you view it from that perspective, now that fear isn't as frightening.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, I feel that.
	And when we talk about like, like as kids, the reason we're feeling is that as kids, because we know we're going to get another opportunity.
	We know, okay, if we get scrubbed on the football field, okay, we got tomorrow.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But as adults, those little pains that we get, you know, those little failures, they eat at us and we start questioning ourselves, like, why?
	Like, are they better than me?
	Or like, am I missing something that I used to have?
	But as a kid, you're just like, man, I'm proud of the moment.
	Like, we out here again, y'all.
	Like, we live right back.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, I'm here.
	But as adults, it's those conditions, man.
	Yeah, the conditions change because when you're a child, you really have so much blind faith.
	Don't you?
	Even if you don't, even if as a kid, you don't perceive it as faith in a higher power.
	You just feel it as faith that you're going to have another opportunity that you got the next day.
	Wow, it's really crazy how much that changes over time.
	Because yeah, it's the conditions that change.
	And then it's choices, it's decisions.
	Especially as an adult.
	As a kid, you don't like you making decisions, but you're making decisions off of default.
	Right.
	As you get older and as you get more intentional with your work, you know, like you work your tail off.
	Yeah.
	You got a strategic plan to what you're doing.
	Like it's some people that think they're working, but they don't, they're just working off default, like off of every day.
	Like I'm waking up, I'm going to work.
	They're not designing nothing throughout their day to actually have an impact on their life that they've been given.
	Yeah, that's kind of interesting, huh?
	Some people don't have the opportunity.
	Some people, they just don't want to accept the challenge probably either.
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	So having won a national championship, having won a Heisman Trophy, like how, how, and having been a starter that has all types of accolades, interesting and powerful in the NFL, what is it like to be a backup quarterback?
	Like, what do people not know about being a backup?
	That's some of the tougher things, probably.
	I think one of the most challenging things is you have to prepare as if you're the starter.
	Because the thing about the quarterback is there's only one person.
	Every other position has depth.
	Like, they have someone else that's aligned with them that's doing essentially the same thing that they're doing.
	There's only one person on the field playing quarterback, right?
	And there's three people, maybe four in a room.
	So, all those people in the room are preparing for that specific role.
	Right.
	That's wild because, yeah, other jobs don't have a backup.
	Like, you don't have like a backup mayor.
	Yeah.
	He's sitting in the next room.
	He's in there signing documents and it's like cutting ribbons, you know, practicing cutting ribbons with big scissors.
	Right.
	You know, it's not.
	Or you don't have a backup waiter, you know, like if your waiter is doing, you know, and he's in the parking lot, he's just running fake food out to people.
	Yeah, so that pressure isn't right there with other jobs.
	No, it's not, but it's, it's, uh, you know, pressure is for the unprepared.
	That's why you got to stay prepared, like, in any role that you're, but specifically as the backup, you got to prepare like you're the starter.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's why, like, I'm always going to view myself as a starter because I know like it happened to me.
	It happened to some of the greatest.
	Like, you are one play in the sport that we play from your career being over, from you losing your job, or you becoming irrelevant.
	Oh, Lord, baby.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, that's like that.
	It's the sport that that's the business that we're in.
	That's the sport that we play.
	So I approach all that with gratitude, bro.
	Like, I'm grateful for each day.
	I'm grateful to prepare, right?
	Like, I'm going to support whoever is in front of me.
	I'm going to support all my teammates.
	But, brother, I know what's real.
	And what's real is any moment, anytime, any place, anything could happen.
	Dang.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Oh, anytime, any place.
	Come on.
	Man, yeah, I guess that's so true.
	Do you see other people don't keep that same energy?
	Like, is it a, because perspective is so much of life I learn is about perspective, man.
	If you can show up really with the gratitude and really with the perspective that there's possibility at any moment, that changes everything.
	You become a beacon.
	You become a light bug for other people at that point.
	Well, we call to be, you know, the, the, the, the, the light of the, the light of the earth, you know.
	So I think when you in that role, it's not your job to see, like, are they doing what I'm doing?
	Or am I doing what they're doing?
	It's your job to see, man, how can I perfect what I'm doing to encourage somebody else to perfect what they're doing so they can be their best self.
	Wow.
	You know, like, and I think that we get so much, like, because we all competing, right?
	We all, we all chasing this, this rat race.
	We all chasing something that's greater than us, right?
	But a lot of times we, we're so busy looking at other people running their race instead of focusing on the race that you got to run.
	Yeah.
	And I think one thing that I've learned through experience, because experience, like experience through like certain conditions, circumstances, and facts, like that's what creates perspective.
	You know, that's what gives people that wisdom, you know, because they went through something.
	And that's why, you know, I always, I'm always hanging around, you know, like you saw, you saw, I call my granddad.
	I'm always hanging around people that are that are wise, that are older, because their experiences are freaking gold, bro.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like they've been through so much stuff and they've overcome so many different things.
	Oh, yeah.
	Bro, the slowest way to learn is through your experience.
	So why not pick somebody else's brain?
	Why not learn or hang around somebody that's an older citizen?
	Senior citizen, yeah.
	You know, a couple owls with that.
	Senior citizen, yeah, that's person.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I use that all the time.
	Yeah, get you a couple owls, baby.
	That's what you need, you know.
	My wife, she a rice owl.
	Oh, she went to rice?
	Yeah, she went to rice, yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	I saw, oh, yeah, LSU beat them the other day.
	I was holding them in the women's game.
	It did, but for rice, though, I think rice just happened that they got this plate LSU.
	I mean, look, they're a starch.
	Yeah, that's true.
	You know what I'm saying?
	A lot of people, they used to be in a recipe and something.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's what I'm saying.
	They're actually in the mix, you know.
	When you get gumbo, you ain't thinking about the rice.
	The game has changed.
	That's a Super Bowl for them if they end up in a gumbo.
	It is.
	You got to play with Drew Brees for a season, right?
	And Drew, I got to meet Drew one time, right?
	So Drew Brees is an intense dude, man.
	He's locked in.
	You know, you can see that he, you know, it was at a dinner party and you could see while he's talking to me behind me, he sees the whole dinner scenario.
	You know, like he sees like, you know, the waiter is in the flat.
	You know, the bus boy gave up on his route early.
	The strong safety's rolling silverware.
	The Maitre D's out of position.
	You could see he's got a lot going on, you know?
	What do you get to learn from like somebody that's that, like a hall of fame?
	Like, what is the difference in being around somebody like that?
	I think one thing about Drew is like he was very observant.
	He was very detailed and he was very intentional with everything that he did.
	So he had a mission for everything that he was doing.
	It was on purpose.
	So real purposeful.
	Yeah.
	So I, so I, I knew what his intent was for each day because he knew what his, he was, that's how, that's how he led.
	He led by example.
	He led by, you know, showing you like, this is what I'm about.
	Either you're going to join or you're going to get left behind.
	Right.
	And I think that's why people follow him because they knew his direction.
	But I think just sitting back from afar, learning just the X's and O's, being able to see the relationship with him and his longtime head coach, Sean Payton, but also reading books about Drew Brees, understanding the perspective, understanding that he went through one of his most challenging times, you know, when they won the Super Bowl.
	You know, I'll let you look up what happened, but he had certain circumstances, conditions, and facts that happened in his life.
	Even in his NFL career, early on in his career, a team didn't believe in him.
	So he continued to grow.
	He didn't point fingers, blame anybody else.
	He continued to overcome the naysayers, you know, and he set that standard every single day.
	And like, and when you're around someone like that, like you gain that perspective, and like, and that was a year that actually, like, I was so grateful for that year to sit behind a Hall of Fame quarterback, learn how he moved, and everything.
	Because me and me and Drew Brees are two, like, we are two separate, like, he is from one side of the block, I'm from the other side of the block.
	Yeah, so being able to be around him every single day and just be in his presence, you know what I'm saying?
	Oh, yeah.
	See how he's living.
	You know what I'm saying?
	What you eat with Drew Brees, you know what I'm saying?
	Snacking on him.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You got him a rice crispy treat.
	And one of the greatest things that I learned about Drew Brees is he helped me with food because his meals used to look so bad.
	I used to question, are we in New Orleans?
	We don't got no chef that can cook Drew Brees.
	Something better than this.
	Yes.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But he was so strict with the way he ate.
	He was so intentional with everything that he did.
	And I was like, okay, that's the sacrifice that's allowing you to be the elite of the elite.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Those are the disciplines that you're willing to take to be in a city like New Orleans and not eat the stuff.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Not put that stuff in your body.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, no seasoning at all.
	I don't even think...
	Oh, Lord.
	He was on Christmas Eve.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They come with everything.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I know.
	Imagine, yeah.
	Not even, oh.
	But no, he was a major.
	Get him a spice rack for Christmas.
	Yeah, for real.
	Changes a life a little.
	No doubt.
	But you're right, that level of commitment, though, because also a lot of salt gets into your joints and stuff like that, especially as you get older.
	That's a thing that happens to people, you know, I think.
	But yeah, I guess interesting to see that just that level of commitment.
	And the amount of commitment we feel like we have to make to ourselves, because some people hold themselves to such a high standard that if they don't make a certain amount of level of commitment to themselves, then they don't feel complete.
	Some people may hold themselves to a different standard and it's fine, whatever your standard is.
	But we all have this level, I think, of where if we hold ourselves there and we meet ourselves there, then we feel complete, you know?
	Yeah, I think it's, I know it is, it's great to challenge yourself and to push new limits and go to different heights, you know what I'm saying?
	And be tough on yourself.
	But you also got to give yourself some grace.
	That's where that balance come in.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like you can't be your worst enemy and your biggest fan.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's how I get.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I turn into my worst.
	Yeah.
	It's like I'm trying so much, I end up being my worst enemy, bro.
	But you being two different people.
	You know, I feel like we talk to ourselves more than anybody else talk to us.
	So you got to give yourself that grace, man.
	You got to speak life into you more than anybody else is going to be speaking life into you because I guarantee you, somebody else, they care about themselves more than they care about you.
	Yeah.
	So if you down in you all the time, how is that going to make you feel down, depressed?
	Oh my goodness, now I got to do this.
	Now I got to do that.
	Now I got to revert to this versus like, man, like, if I'm like, okay, I didn't fail.
	Okay.
	I'm not the only person to fail.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay.
	How I get up out of this?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Who I need to talk to to get up out of this?
	You know what I'm saying?
	A lawyer usually.
	Hopefully we don't have to get to no legal action.
	You got to stay out of the legal action, man.
	You got to stay up out of it though.
	I'm just talking about self, esteem.
	What Cat Williams said?
	It's called self.
	Esteem.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, come on.
	You got to lift yourself up, man.
	You got to give yourself life.
	That's a good point, huh?
	Yeah, I think I wonder, yeah, sometimes it's hard for me to see what the conversation I'm having with myself is.
	Does that make any sense?
	Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
	Because we, like, I say it like this.
	Why do we give other people better advice than we give ourselves?
	I know.
	It's like we cancel ourselves out because we don't listen to ourselves.
	So when we not listen to ourselves, how do we expect to hear ourselves when we in this funk or we in this like this this this this mode where we like we about to turn up we about to go go in and somebody here we mad you know what i'm saying we not hearing ourselves we just reacting in a default we're not being on purpose we're not being intentional you know what i'm saying we just like a little kid we having an anxiety attack or we spasming out you know all of us have those moments but the ones are that are all that are able to
	you know look at this at those moments reflect on those moments and build off those moments and not let those moments destroy them like them the ones that end up being successful it's interesting huh so much of that war is really it's a peace talk but you have to bring yourself to the table that's the tough i just have sometimes i have tough times in that moment of like this is how i feel right now and instead of bringing myself to the table i'll just walk out and
	start you know executing a plan you know what i'm saying and it's not really i haven't really brought myself into a place of like okay how do i do this best for me and for others and for you know yeah sometimes that's that's a thing that i struggle with a lot sometimes yeah man sometimes you just got to be led by the spirit man like one of my favorite verses trust in the lord with your whole heart and lean down into your own understandings acknowledge the lord in all your ways and he shall direct your paths you know what i'm saying sometimes you got
	to really let go and let go oh yeah the lord is my gps for real like you have but you have to be you have to humble yourself right and just be like look i really don't got no control of what just happened and let me give it up let me give it up man i now sit there and do nothing i should be your therapist man i feel like i got you over here man you ready to lay down you know what i'm saying i can sit here and speak life into you brother what you need theo oh yeah bring it on me brother yeah you mindful play
	a hymn mama pray for me what's that one i can still hear mama's prayers you ever hear that song mama's prayer that's an old one see if you can look that up mama's prayers i used to love this song man yeah that's maybe that's it at the top let me see what is that one I can remember as a child back
	in Liberty, Texas, at 131 Navigation Street.
	Come on.
	At my grandmother's house.
	Gotta be in front of my house.
	Always, huh?
	Mama, that's what we call her.
	And I can remember on Sunday mornings, if you were in mama's house, you had to get up for a Sunday morning prayer.
	Come to think of it.
	He's a little chatty moving forward.
	Great God, it ain't nothing like a good gospel song for somebody not talking at the very beginning.
	You know what I'm saying?
	We go Damn I'm praying I'm still here I still hear my mama pray.
	Mama pray.
	oh I still hear mama pray.
	I love that one, man.
	That's what I like.
	No doubt.
	How do you like, if you're going to Cleveland, how do you guys find a new church?
	What's that opportunity like?
	Well, first.
	I just called it opportunity because you showed me that.
	Well, you connect with one if you know somebody on the team that goes to a specific church.
	But I like this, Cleveland was actually even.
	It was easy.
	Like literally when I signed with Cleveland, my dad had sent me like a YouTube Pastor Vernon, like at the word church.
	And he has a huge church in Cleveland.
	And I reached out to a couple of friends and like they connected me with him instantly.
	Right.
	So I was like, okay, well, I got Pastor Vernon already.
	So when you in that, when you getting fed like from other people and you being led and you walking with the Lord, like it's like the Spirit find a way to connect you like with the right people.
	Yeah.
	So does, and what about like your family and stuff?
	Was it tough to like, did you find out you have to you're going to go to Cleveland and you have to go home and tell your wife about it?
	Or did y'all?
	So it's a process.
	It's a process of like, and it was a very tough process, you know, because my wife is like that comfort, when you get that comfort bug, like it's like, it's tough to get anybody off their pivot foot when they comfortable, when they good where they at.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's very challenging.
	That's me too, man.
	If I got me a, like a, you get me a power aid and sit me down somewhere, I'm leave me be for a little bit.
	Right.
	Well, well, I think, uh, and it's kind of like a, especially with this city, because my wife, her family is from the West Bank.
	Oh, they're from the West Bank.
	Yeah, I used to.
	Right, so her dad from the West Bank.
	And like, and she was so rooted.
	She was so rooted here, had family here.
	And it was just tough.
	Transition is always tough, you know, but we're one and I want her to go with me.
	You know, she was like, hey, can I stay here?
	Like, yeah, baby, you can stay here if you want to, whatever you want.
	But in my back of my mind, like, I don't need you to stay here.
	You're with me.
	I got my babies.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I need to see you and my babies.
	You're my primary baby.
	Yeah, you're the tallest baby.
	You're the first baby.
	You is.
	But it's tough, man.
	It's tough having to move.
	But whether it's tough, man, like it's an opportunity.
	You know, it's a chance to grow.
	You know, you got to be comfortable being uncomfortable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's true, man.
	Comfort really can be your coffin.
	You know, I know that.
	It can get real easy.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	Challenging yourself, accepting challenges.
	But then there is that fear that comes with it.
	And it's like, how do I manage the fear while I'm doing this new thing, while I'm going this way, right?
	Yeah.
	But Joe, Joe, he was telling me something because I'm talking about like communicating with people.
	And he was like, man, when you had that fear, it's better to do than be scared.
	Because you scared, you're just sitting there.
	Yeah, you're just sitting there.
	You're just thinking.
	And he told me, I was like, I was like, I'm like, dang, Joe, like, what you doing?
	Give me advice for, man.
	Like, just do.
	And once you start doing, like, eventually that fear start being in that rearview mirror and you just leave it.
	You leave it there.
	Yeah, because a lot of times, man, there'll be opportunities and I get so fearful.
	I stand there like this, like Barry Sanders, and then I don't pick nothing.
	He went standing.
	He was cut and moving and getting north and south.
	But I was just a side to side.
	I just stay like this.
	And then the opportunities will disappear because I didn't make a choice.
	That's happened to me before in life, you know, where it's like, I just, yeah, instead of just going, because if you go, you might realize one is wrong and you could get both of them and see and find the right one.
	When you were growing up, I know I've heard you talk about your dad was a coach, you know?
	Yeah.
	And you guys all lived at y'all's house, y'all's family.
	Yeah.
	Because, yeah, when I was growing up, a lot of black, a lot of my black friends didn't have families like that.
	You know, they didn't have that family community.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Was that like, was it popular in your area that a lot of guys did?
	A lot of young black men had that?
	No, it wasn't.
	It wasn't.
	And does it make you feel almost like, would other kids clown you because you had that?
	Because like when I was growing up, like in our neighborhood, if you made some grades, good grades, a lot of kids would clown you.
	They would just cook you, you know, for trying to do better.
	Well, I was clowned more for being a nerd, making good grades.
	Seriously?
	Then like having a dad in my life.
	I'm very grateful to have my father in my life.
	The sacrifices that he made for me has definitely allowed me to be where I'm at right now.
	But even my dad, like he loved, he loved his mom.
	He didn't have his dad in his life.
	But the women in my life, my grandmother, my mother, my grandmothers, my grandmothers, my aunts, they were the inspiration.
	Like, because when you are in an environment, and I had my uncles and stuff, my mom was the youngest, 11. And I grew up in a home where, you know, my uncles and aunts, they all in the house and my cousins.
	Everybody.
	It was like 20 of us, you know.
	But it was perspective, you know, because like there's levels to it.
	Like you got people that are 50, you got kids that are two, you got teenagers, and you got like people that's going through a midlight crisis.
	Yeah.
	You know, so you learning, you learning from everybody.
	Wow.
	And you picking from like, okay, I probably shouldn't be doing that.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Oh, Grandma River don't condone that, but I kind of like that.
	You know, so it's, it's a different variety of education at work.
	It's a lot of education, a lot of stuff for you to learn, but when you don't have guidance, when you don't have a father who is, even if they're not perfect, I think a lot of people get caught up in like, oh, like, I expected you to be perfect, but you realize, like, ain't nobody really perfect.
	Even if your father or if you don't have a father, even the people around you, the men in your life, the women in your life aren't perfect.
	You understand?
	They're human.
	And you're going to go through the same human experiences that they're going through.
	Yeah.
	You know, so I never got picked on for having a daddy, but I definitely got picked on for being a nerd.
	Yeah, I never got to ask somebody, you know, because in yeah, and I think a lot of people look at people like, like the reason you successful because you had a dad in your life.
	I'm like, man, do you not know who LeBron James is?
	Like, he is known for not having a dad in his life and he LeBron James.
	Like, but like a lot of people use that because of the, honestly, the built up emotion or the built-up anger that they have against another man.
	Right.
	You know, like, it's true.
	Like, like, I think that, that kind of overshadows, like, there's every, I think every kid deserves to have a daddy.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But it is hard out here in these streets.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, people have different personalities that don't condone the father might be in the house.
	The daddy might want to be in the baby life and the mama probably don't want him in the life or the mama not in the baby life.
	You know, it's been, it's been, I was talking to a man in the sauna today, you know, and he was talking about how his daddy wins life and his mama died when he was 10. I was like, brother, that's, that's tough.
	That's challenging.
	And he's still, he's still doing well for himself.
	He was talking about, we were talking about our kids, like, like, how are we supposed to speak life into our kids?
	He was telling me that he had a son that was 10 and he loved video games and social media.
	You know, he said he had another son that had, that was 14, had Down syndrome.
	He had a step down.
	I want to get all into this man business, but it was a true direct correlation with he didn't have his dad in his life.
	He didn't have his mom in his life, but he still found a way to make something out of nothing.
	And I think we get so caught up in the pity part.
	It's like, yo, you ain't have a dad in your life.
	Oh, yeah, bro.
	I'm with you.
	Like, my daddy wasn't in my life either.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Oh, your mama, your mama used to abuse you.
	Oh, I'm with you.
	My mama did.
	Now let's take it out on the world.
	It's like, okay, what are we going to do?
	Like, what is the footprint we going to leave?
	Are we going to say that we are who we are because we didn't have a daddy in our life or our mama was crazy to us?
	Or are we going to say, like, look, my situation was not, it wasn't ideal, you know, but I, but I know through those, through those circumstances, through those experiences that I've grew and I've gained a lot of knowledge.
	I gained a lot.
	I went through a lot of pain.
	Yeah.
	And, but at the end of the day, I'm going to be the one to decide my fate.
	It's my response.
	My emotions are my responsibility.
	My actions are my responsibilities.
	Now, I might have certain conditions, facts, and circumstances that may have led to some of them decisions.
	But at the end of the day, it's still my responsibility.
	Because when you get out of that childhood, when you get out of that kid stage and you an adult, ain't nobody looking at you like, oh, he mustn't have had a dad, a father in his life.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They looking at you like, on to the next one.
	I'm going to grow up.
	For real.
	That's what it is.
	Yeah, that's a great point, man.
	I think there's aspects of my life where I've like, I think I was like a late bloomer too, like realizing a lot of stuff and getting past like a lot of childhood stuff.
	But I certainly feel like I'm at a point now where I want to grow up more in some areas, you know?
	And I pray, that's what I pray about each day.
	I pray that God makes me more willing to advance in some of these places and to let go of some resentments and help like soften some of the discomfort that I have in places.
	Because sometimes there's things that are still hooking you to your past, you know?
	And it's like sometimes it's hard to get, you know, like when you have like a, you had a boat dock and you got the things tied up and some drunk guy tied to one and he tied a damn Christmas bow on it or something.
	You can't get sometimes it's like I got those.
	I really believe we have certain curses that are on us that were put on us through our family, through generations, you know, of them, you know, living living a life.
	But I also believe in that bondage, that true peace.
	And, you know, again, let's talk about our faith.
	Let's talk about accepting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, man, and being separated from all that bondage and realizing like it is my life.
	I am free from everything that I feel like is holding me back to go do what I need to do for this world, for me.
	Yeah.
	And I know it's tough.
	No, no, I know you're not saying it's possible for everybody easily, but it's something we have to hear.
	And that's why I'm listening to you say it.
	I'm happy to hear it today.
	It's a message that I need to be reminded of.
	And I think it's why you're even saying it right now.
	And we're in the same space.
	Cause yeah, I need to be reminded of that.
	That how long do I want to sit and look at the chains instead of look out the window?
	Come on.
	You know, like how, you know, like at a certain point, even my eyes are tired of looking at those chains.
	It's truly perspective.
	Like we, man, I, I, uh, so I, I'm, I'm, every time every year, Black History Month, like I want to learn something new about black history.
	And obviously being from the South, like my image on slavery and Jim Crow laws in the dirty South is just this gruesome image of like white versus black.
	Like, man, they hated us.
	And like, I can't believe like they, they look at us.
	They act like it's not that far.
	They act like it's, it's, it's way, it's 100 years from now, but it's very recent.
	But I, but I, I got, I got this perspective.
	I was watching this masterclass about African American history, black history on masterclass.
	And when my perspective was changed from all the great things that African Americans have accomplished, besides all of the treacherous things that African Americans went through, I started to see again that light that's inside of me.
	Like, wow, like I possess this.
	Man, yes, my people were enslaved.
	Yes, my people went through some terrible circumstances.
	They went through a rough time, but man, look at how my people overcame.
	Look at the love, look at the power, look at the victory that came from all that.
	You came to a world where you were enslaved.
	And now we walk around free.
	We walk around doing whatever we want to do.
	Go down Bourbon Street and see if you could sense anything.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's just wildness.
	And it's truly.
	I get jealous of black community sometimes because they got the best origin story.
	Like I always like the, like if you look at a superhero or something, you got to have that origin story.
	And it's easy for me to like, I'm not going to say like, oh, what a unique origin story.
	Cause obviously I know that there's tons of things that I don't even understand in it.
	I don't even understand like when somebody looks in a, takes a 23andMe or something, they can't even, or they don't even know past where their grandparents are from.
	I don't know what that feels like.
	You know, I don't know what it feels like to be in a place where you showed up as a commodity.
	You know, like I don't have, I don't know any of what that really feels like, you know.
	But I do think it's, there is something interesting about having an origin story that you can derive, if you're able to, start to turn a corner in your perspective while still acknowledging the past, but to have it be one of looking forward.
	Well, I think you got to acknowledge the past because that's how you learn.
	That's how you grow.
	Yeah.
	But I also believe that when you have acknowledged the past, you got to think about ways that you can change it.
	Right.
	Not think of like at first I was so into like, okay, this is me.
	Like you did this to me.
	Like this is why I'm behind and my dad ain't living in a multi-million dollar house.
	Like I'm behind the eight ball.
	We don't have generational wealth because we couldn't have generational wealth.
	But now I look at it like, man, like, okay, I got this light.
	I got this opportunity.
	Let me use it.
	These people before me sacrificed way more than me in this part right now.
	And they still found a way to do it.
	So it would be ignorant of me to think that I'm not able to do something just because of the limitations and the restrictions.
	Now, now it is now systematic racism and stuff.
	Now, it is a system, but it's also a victory side to it that you can focus on, that you can, like the communities that you build, like you got to surround yourself with those people that are thinking like that.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Well, the long, and if you only look at yourself as a victim, then it's impossible to really advance yourself for anybody.
	Like if I only look at the parts of me that like if I only see myself as a victim, right?
	And that's all I see myself as, it's going to be really hard for me to have new opportunity because I don't have any perspective.
	I won't even see opportunity if it shows up.
	Man, I learned this, like I was talking to one of my mentors and he shared this with me.
	And it kind of changed my perspective.
	He was like, you are not what you think you are, but what you think you are.
	It's just a perspective.
	Like we all think like, oh, I'm this type of person, but we're not thinking about the stuff that we put into our mind on a daily basis.
	Like what we think and what we set our attention to is really what we are.
	Not what we may think, how people view us or how we may even view ourselves, but what we thinking, like, like poor, like being poor, like that's a mentality.
	Being rich, that's a mentality.
	Like these people just got, like meet meal said, like it's levels to it.
	Like when you have a poor mindset, like man, that's, that's, that's struggle.
	That, that, that, that, that's hurt.
	That's pain.
	But man, I done seen people like with no shoes, toes coming out their shoes that are happier than ever.
	Yeah.
	I done seen people with no shoes.
	At the beach, yeah.
	No, bro.
	I didn't see people with no shoes, man.
	I'm talking about little kids.
	Oh, that's what you're saying.
	No shoes, man.
	Enjoy.
	Enjoy.
	Yeah.
	Because what they're thinking.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I remember I've gone to some different places like India, different places, and you see these kids show up and they're just living.
	Man, you're like, oh, I wish I could be as happy as this kid.
	Yes, man.
	And he's sitting here and he got nothing.
	He's yeah, and he's got nothing for himself.
	Speaking of Meek Mill, man, I got to ask, dude, did he?
	Or Didn't he?
	No, did he?
	No, did he?
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	Oh, you know what I just saw, man?
	They had the two girls.
	You know, there's a pair of conjoined women.
	Oh, really?
	And it's a double.
	Tiamese twins.
	Tiamese twins, brother.
	And they married a man.
	One of them got married.
	Okay.
	You see that?
	So I just wonder how does that...
	Because sometimes it's hard enough.
	You're married.
	Yes.
	And if some of my in-law will get involved in a discussion, sometimes it can be challenging.
	So if you got an in-law, I mean, you got a dang neck neighbor, you know?
	I mean, to each his own.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm just saying how tough would it be to manage a...
	Yeah.
	Like, that's what I'm trying to picture.
	Because if he's dealing with two women, then right on, brother.
	Yeah, it's...
	That is...
	Yeah, I wonder what he...
	I'm wondering.
	Or does he, you know what I'm saying?
	Does he really want to have multiple wives?
	I can speak Mormon too.
	I can speak Mormon.
	Have you ever been to a Mormon church?
	I've never been to a Mormon church, but I've had a lot of Mormon teammates, and they're the nicest people that you can ever be a teammate with.
	I would be Mormon.
	I've been before to like in Salt Lake.
	You can go see like Luther.
	What was the?
	Sorry, my brain is bad today.
	Joseph Smith.
	Joseph Smith.
	Yeah, you can go see like the campus, the Mormon campus and everything.
	It's beautiful.
	It's stunning over there.
	Jameis, when you look at guys like Caleb Williams has caught a lot of flack this year, I think more than to me, it feels like just as a fan, it feels like he's caught more flack than anybody, a starting quarterback in a long time who's going to come out of the draft.
	Recently, they're talking about him for having a pink phone case or just his fingernail polish.
	It seems like a level of scrutiny that's, it's almost gone overboard, man.
	I think like to whom much is given, much is required.
	And when you are, when you are in a position as he is, and when you reach a level of excellence that he has attained as being an excellent college quarterback, it just comes with the territory, you know.
	And I think if I was in his shoes, I know what it's like to be scrutinized like that on a whole different spectrum.
	And you have to focus on who you are.
	You have to get closer to the people that's around you.
	You got to push through that now.
	Like, I don't know about the fingernail polish and the lipstick and stuff.
	Like, that's his life.
	Oh, look, we've all been to, yeah, we've had a couple of had a moment or something.
	Like, that's his life.
	I know he can play football, and I know that character is what you do when no one is looking.
	So I just, I pray that he is focusing on his character and not, and football ain't everything for him.
	Right.
	And I, and I know he's been to Oklahoma.
	I was an Oklahoma fan.
	I grew up an Oklahoma fan.
	Really?
	Yeah, I really did, bro.
	Why, though?
	Because Oklahoma beat Florida State in 2000.
	That's championship.
	Oh, so you just tell us how you got on?
	Florida State was my daddy team.
	So I was just like, I was one of them bandwagons.
	I just jumped on.
	I was like, boom, sooner, ever since then, you know?
	So that's why I like Baker, Mayfield, Columbia.
	Dude, I love Baker, bro.
	Bro, is there anybody more fun to cheer for than Baker, I feel like?
	Man.
	Baker is a dog.
	I think he is a beast, man.
	He will not be denied, man.
	I mean, the opposition had him at like, it's almost a wrap.
	It felt like.
	But then he's like, nah-uh.
	No, he out.
	He out.
	And now look at him.
	He's doing his thing.
	There's so many stories like that, man.
	There's so many stories that people just continue to push through.
	Like, you're going to come out on the other side.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I feel like he's one of those guys that everybody, if you don't support Baker, I don't understand where you're at.
	Yeah, just that pressure.
	But do you feel like the media is at a place where it's just, or it's just always going to be like that?
	It just feels like this year, like, they've gone crazy on him.
	Like, who cares?
	Like, it's a young guy trying to be a good quarterback.
	Man, and like these are kids that they're scrutinizing.
	But in in the common eye, you can be a kid, but if you're a celebrity, you're a grown man.
	Right.
	And like, and now everyone's so entitled to say whatever they want to say.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And like, and as media, we are attracted to those negative things.
	Like, we're not attracted to like, oh, Caleb Williams had a football camp with 300 kids and like he gave everybody free Jordans.
	You know what I'm saying?
	We're not attracted to those.
	Yeah.
	Caleb Williams made a nice pasta.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I don't know.
	I don't think he's a pasta person.
	But I don't know.
	It definitely seemed he, I mean, who knows?
	He'll probably have a dang housewares collection in a couple months, according to the media.
	You know?
	No doubt.
	He'll have a flatware line.
	But no, I think it's like, yeah, nobody wants to, but yeah, we don't look at, we don't gravitate towards that.
	Man, I don't think, I don't think like the world, like life, like obviously we say life ain't fair, but people's opinion really not fair, bro.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, I mean, like everyone gets this public persona, but no one really knows who that person truly is.
	100%.
	You know, like, and again, let's go back to the social media thing.
	Like, social media has some great stuff.
	But again, like, I know people that are broke as a dog.
	And if you look at their social media, they flexing.
	They got jewelry on a puppy.
	The puppy goddamn gold area.
	I'm like, what are you trying to portray?
	Like, we know you.
	Yeah.
	Like, who are you hiding from?
	Yeah, you sleeping in my back bedroom.
	Bro, I just paid your life bill the other day.
	Like, what you doing?
	Like, don't, don't let my gratitude ruin you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You're going to go to the club and spend $200?
	You can't spend $200 at the club.
	You spend all the money.
	Godly.
	That is true, homie.
	Taking a picture in somebody else's booth.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They went to the bathroom and they standing up in the booth.
	Dan's like, how you get there?
	God leave.
	Your husband is strong, bro.
	Yeah, I know.
	That is true.
	It's interesting.
	What else did I want to think about?
	Yeah, I guess just being in a new place.
	Have you gone to Cleveland yet and picked out a home and everything?
	Man, I went to Cleveland.
	I haven't picked out a home yet But It was like It was really like eye opening It was like They do.
	And it's a beautiful city, but like, obviously we talk about Cleveland, they say, it's cold.
	It's going to be cold up there.
	And when you come from Tampa and New Orleans, like, it don't really get cold here.
	You know, and then it was.
	It's cold.
	Maybe in the freezer section at Rouse's.
	That's it.
	Bro, but it was one of the moments where like I'm getting my physical, you know, and it was cold when we got there.
	But her name was Julie.
	She'd say, yo, it's snowing.
	I was like, it's wet.
	It's snowing out here in March.
	I ain't never seen no snow in March.
	So I sent the video to my wife.
	I was like, hey, baby, look, it's snowing.
	And she's like, I am not a kid, Jameis.
	You don't have to tell me it's snowing.
	I see it snowing.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I don't want to see no snow right now.
	I want to see the beach.
	I was like, I bet you got it.
	But I guess they're going to talk about it.
	You're back on the drawing board.
	No, for real.
	Like you started all over again.
	That's a husband's job to start all over again.
	You know, I just hit it with like, well, you know, this is going to be our first Christmas where the babies get to play in the snow.
	You know what I'm saying?
	She's like, it's almost May, Jameis.
	For real.
	Doing a Christmas in Mexico.
	For real, no.
	What's that like being a husband, man?
	Was that scary for you?
	It was very scary for me, man.
	But that's my high school sweetheart.
	And like, man, you're talking about fear.
	Like, like commitment to one person is, that is fear.
	You know, because your life is in their hands and their life is in your hands.
	So when you're maneuvering and when you have all these different experiences that's coming at you, you have to, you have to be strong, man.
	You have to be strong and know, like, this is my priority.
	This is my love.
	Like, this is my first love.
	Right.
	Whatever can be attractive to my eyes or anything outside of that, like, it doesn't, I don't condone that, you know?
	And plus my girl, like, she an OG, man.
	Like, she was, like, really the dream.
	Like, I was a football player and obviously I was an athlete in high school and she was a hooper.
	Like, you know, back in the day, loving basketball, that was everything.
	Yeah, that was romantic.
	My whole thing was like, man, like, I wish I knew how to play basketball so I could have a love and basketball moment.
	But boom, like, God blessed me with a girl that can hoop.
	That was pretty, had all these, the best eyes.
	Like, her eyes.
	I just stand on her eyes.
	And it's just like, God, leave it.
	What you doing?
	What you doing with them eyes?
	When I was blessed with that, man.
	I was like, my heart was took.
	You know what I'm saying?
	There y'all are right there.
	Yeah, that's us, man.
	And y'all in the water, baby, getting it, huh?
	That's a nice house, man.
	We did the way in it.
	Oh, that's beautiful, man.
	My brother in the, that ain't my brother for real, but that's like my life coach too.
	He right there.
	That's your lifeguard, too.
	He in a dang.
	He in the shy.
	Yeah, that ain't the shallow wind, I don't think.
	Hey, it's a step.
	And look, and we tried to, we had him on a brick.
	So he'll be level.
	He slipped off the brick.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Doing the ceremony.
	We was like, all right, man, we know you dedicated.
	Oh, that's cheating at the combine if you're standing on a brick.
	I know that, man.
	I don't think nobody was expecting to get their pants wet.
	But I was like, we got to get in the water.
	This is what it is.
	It's water.
	We got to be flowing.
	We got to be water together.
	I love it, man.
	I like that, man.
	You just kind of make your choices and that's it for you.
	It seemed like your self-confidence is at a unique, is it really unique compared to other people, man?
	Yeah.
	Were you always like that?
	Do you feel like?
	Or was that something that was kind of built?
	Do you think it was just a gift that you had?
	I feel like it's still growing.
	I've always been confident in myself, but more importantly, in my faith.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, I was rooted in a church, like old Southern Baptist or old Southern Baptist.
	From when you were little?
	From when I was little.
	But when I actually started to know God and I started to understand that I'm fighting from victory, not for victory.
	Like, then I took a different approach.
	I took a different approach to the way that I live.
	And I think it's like the accumulation of really who you surround yourself with.
	Like seeing other people that's like walking, like firm, that are strong brothers that ain't like lukewarm, like that gives you that confidence.
	Like that gives you that affirmation to be like, okay, like, man, I need to, like, what am I doing?
	Like you said, you question yourself.
	It's been a lot of times where I've questioned myself.
	It's been some lot of times in the NFL where I'm just like, man, like, who am I?
	Like, what I got going on?
	You know what I'm saying?
	But at the end of the day, I had to dig deep and just be like, okay, like, this is who I am.
	Right.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Get back to your foundation.
	What is my foundation?
	If I don't believe in this foundation that I built, then why did I even build it then?
	You have to, yeah.
	I'm not here for no reason.
	Right.
	I'm here for a purpose, my own unique purpose.
	Right.
	So I got to live it.
	Dang, man.
	I might try out for somebody.
	You can do it, bro.
	Yeah, the Colts might need someone.
	I don't know who needs somebody right now.
	What do you think about this new rule with the hip drop tackle?
	Do you have any thoughts on it?
	Yeah, I think it is they're trying to make the game safer.
	But as I've been in the league, you know, I've seen it trend to be more of a player-friendly league.
	I think it takes an incredible amount of discipline and athletic ability as people that are actually making those tackles to avoid making that tackle.
	So I think when you make a rule, you say, okay, this is the rule.
	We can't do this no more.
	But as athletes being trained to do a certain way, like for years, for their whole life, to just get somebody on the ground anyway possible, I think it's challenging, man.
	And I'm happy for player safety.
	But at the same time, like, I know, like, I'm from Alabama.
	Like, we love football.
	Right.
	However, if you get, if you run across the middle and somebody take your head off, that's football.
	Get back up.
	Are you okay?
	Your chin strap okay?
	What you say?
	How many fingers I got?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay, come on.
	We about to do it again.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm dropped back in the pocket.
	Somebody come and slap me out on my head.
	Like, okay, I want that 15, but like, hey, like, okay, I see you came to play today.
	Okay.
	Like, it's just, it's the brotherhood.
	And it's the, like, like, we warriors out there, man.
	Like I said earlier, like, man, we one play away from our career being done.
	You know, so I do respect the NFL making this player safety protocol and like doing everything they can to help, you know, prolong people's careers.
	But I think it's tough.
	I think it's tough on the players.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's interesting to see like, and if you keep making things, like, I worry about if you put so much in the hands of the referees, because there's a lot of people that start to say that a lot of speculation you see of people saying that things are fixed or organized or, you know, gambling is a lot more just in our everyday life now.
	Every other commercial is for it.
	You know, I mean, we advertise it.
	It's like it's everywhere.
	So I just wonder when you put stuff more in the hands of the referees too and give them one more space where it could be a crucial call in a playoff game next year.
	Right.
	What does that look like?
	You know, how weird is that?
	You know, when you, when you look at the field, you know, a lot of times people just see the two teams, right?
	Team A, team B. But bro, you forget it's another team out there and they got on black and white.
	Yep.
	Right.
	And they're working together.
	Like a lot of these, a lot of the referees, like when you get to know them, like, bro, like, they're insurance agents.
	They're not even doing this year-round.
	You know, this is a hobby for them to make, you know, emulating.
	For real.
	Make six figures just to what you doing?
	Huh?
	Get on side.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But yeah, I know they had one video of some guy.
	He tapped into the, make the announcement and he played half a track off of his mixtape.
	And people are like, well, what is even going on here?
	You got to think about how tough it is first to make in-game decisions to police grown men that are playing at the fastest level.
	So I got a lot of respect for the referees, but man, like, it's a third team, bro.
	Like, you playing against two teams.
	You're not just playing against the other team.
	You're playing against two teams because, you know, they have the rules and regulations and this day job, but they can dictate a game.
	Now, as a leader, as a coach or a person of influence, like you can't say we're not going to allow the refs to dictate this game, but they have a certain level of authority that can't, if they make a call and they're human just like us, if it's a mistake, they ain't finna say, oh, my bad.
	Like, literally, look, we write reports after the game.
	The coaches are sending it, sending in, okay, this was a penalty, this was a penalty.
	And you'll get a letter back.
	This was a penalty.
	Sorry.
	I don't know if they send sorry.
	Like, sorry is very polite.
	Right.
	But they'll literally be like, this emoji.
	Yeah, it's like, that was a penalty.
	All right.
	Move to the next one.
	Yeah.
	And he's like, what?
	We can't get that play back.
	I know.
	And it's crazy.
	Well, yeah, there was that famous play in New Orleans that happened, too.
	I think this was before you were here whenever there was a passing offense against the Rams.
	You took them from going to the Super Bowl.
	I mean, that changes Drew Bees from having a dynasty operation in Peyton to things being, you know.
	He's still challenging.
	Here you go right here.
	John Hussey is a sales representative.
	He's been a referee for nine seasons.
	Alex Kemp, an insurance agent, has been a referee for six seasons.
	In his sixth season, Clay Martin is a high school administrator.
	Dang, he a damn principal.
	Yeah.
	And a basketball coach.
	He reading term papers on his phone probably at halftime.
	Scott Novak is in his fifth season as a referee.
	Brad Rogers is a college professor.
	Ron Torbert's an attorney.
	Yeah, you already know it.
	He's been a referee for 10 seasons.
	What is going on?
	We got somebody in aerospace.
	Uh-uh.
	Oh, Adrian Hill.
	He in aerospace.
	Oh, wow.
	Engineer.
	They got different careers, man.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, our livelihood is on the game.
	Yeah, it says Craig Warset is a drill rapper.
	But this is, I mean, this is unlikely.
	Oh, my goodness.
	But they got to get some guys that are just referees.
	Yeah, no, they're not.
	Man, that thing, times have changed, man.
	It is.
	What else?
	We got Easter coming up, man.
	Y'all going to celebrate?
	What you guys got going on?
	Yeah, we're going to celebrate Easter.
	They have a beautiful parade in New Orleans, too.
	They do?
	It's at 2 p.m.
	I think it's in the French Quarter.
	I've seen it a couple times when I was younger, but it's nice, man.
	I've never been to the Easter parade.
	It's nice.
	What do y'all do, an Easter egg hunt or something?
	I go to church.
	And the boys did an Easter egg hunt early this week, so we don't have to do no Easter egg hunts.
	But it's a spring break this year, so we're going to get out of town.
	Any other stuff you guys want to look at, man?
	Are y'all going to go up to Cleveland or no?
	No.
	We're going to wait until it's summer before we go up to Cleveland.
	Okay.
	Before the family go up there.
	I'm going to be up there in two weeks.
	Scott Fegeta, I think, played for Cleveland as well.
	And the Saints.
	He's a really good guy.
	DeMario Davis.
	Oh, yeah, Demario plays.
	I see him in Nashville sometimes.
	That's where I live at.
	Yeah.
	That's where he lives.
	Oh, it is?
	I see him sometimes.
	He'll pop into the same, we go to the same IV place.
	Oh, for real.
	And he'll never said hey to him, but I've seen him in there.
	He's a big guy.
	He's a great brother.
	Is he?
	He's great, bro.
	He's phenomenal.
	Yeah.
	He's one of those men that being in a locker room with seeing the way that he walks, seeing who he is every single day, inspired me to be a better man.
	And inspired me to check my engine light and just be like, okay, what we really got up in here?
	You know what I'm saying?
	What's really inside?
	Yeah, I think, oh, wow, this is something right here.
	Monkeys have taken over the city of Lotburi outside of Bangkok.
	Go ahead, monkeys.
	But this, Jamie, this seemed like a, look at this, man.
	But I'm, this is what I look at.
	They together.
	Like, they fighting.
	Look, it's a civil war.
	It's a monkey civil war.
	This is real planet of the apes, y'all.
	Do you see how assembled they is?
	That's a good point.
	Look at the front lines they had right there.
	Go back a little bit.
	Man, come on.
	Bro.
	They got a dang general out there with them, huh?
	No, really.
	It's planet of the apes.
	Look, nature, bro, I'm telling you, nature.
	They really turn it.
	Like, it's really like they fight.
	Like, look, they ain't attacking no civilians.
	Like, they all at each other.
	Like, this is real planet of the apes.
	Y'all thought it was a game.
	This is real.
	And look, then they're going back to the other.
	They retreat most of the time.
	But, bro, like, do they live there?
	Do they live in the house?
	Like, oh, my God.
	I've never seen, like, we don't even get that organized.
	These monkeys was organized, like, front lines.
	It looked like one of them had a whistle saying charge.
	Like, golly.
	Yeah, the monkeys look like Bill Parcells with their coach, but really, I feel like they put together, like, they got a Rob Ryan defense going on over here.
	They structured.
	It's Easter, man.
	Jameis, I think we got to eat a W for the Lord, man.
	Can we do it?
	Let's eat a W for the Lord, man, please.
	All right, brother.
	Toast it up, man.
	He has risen, brother.
	Dang.
	Jameis Winston, man, thanks for on behalf of New Orleans, man, we want to just thank you, man.
	I think it's been so fun to have your energy around, man.
	Yeah, just, I think even just today, it's like, you never know what things you're going to hear.
	Like whenever we do a podcast, you know, you never know sometimes if it's going to be just having fun or joking around or if you're going to need to hear some words that you need to hear, you know, so I appreciate it, man.
	No, I appreciate you, bro.
	I'm really inspired by like your story, how you had a paradigm shift, man, how you a man of increase, man.
	And for you to be vulnerable enough to share with me some of the stuff that you be still going through, I think like that has that adds a human element for the success that you have already accumulated, right?
	And the work that you put in.
	Like when Joe told me you were just in Australia, and then you just took a red eye over here just to come talk with me.
	Yeah, and also have a show.
	Just what you put in, man, you know, you live in on purpose, bro.
	And I'm grateful to be in your presence and do this with you, bro.
	Gang.
	Thanks.
	Jameis Winston, man.
	Best of luck in Cleveland.
	Oh, yeah.
	Your crew gave me this new one right here, bro.
	That's the logo.
	That's the Jabbo Wins, huh?
	Yeah, that's the Jaboo Wins.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And Cleveland color.
	So, dog pound, go get your t-shirts.
	Wow.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Theo got the first one.
	All right.
	You can be next.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You can be next right there.
	Awesome, man.
	Thank you so much for your time, bro.
	Thank you, brother.
	Now, I'm just floating on the breeze.
	And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
	I can feel it in my bones.

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