The Political Cesspool - James Edwards - Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/05/02
Aired: 2026-05-03
Duration: 54:30


=== Welcome Back to Basics (01:40) ===

[00:00:01]  You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool.
[00:00:13]  The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
[00:00:22]  And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:28]  Welcome, everybody, to tonight's live broadcast of.
[00:00:35]  It's Saturday evening, May the 2nd, and we're here on AM 1600 WMQM, getting back to basics tonight.
[00:00:44]  I'm your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:46]  After two months of special programming, March Around the World and Confederate History Month, respectively, we are getting back to the bread and butter, which is to say, we're going to be covering all of the news and current events stateside, pretty much everything we don't cover in those two months, and the cycle, the ebb and flow.
[00:01:05]  The flow of our annual broadcast calendar continues.
[00:01:07]  I'll always get excited about those two months as the calendar flips to a new year.
[00:01:11]  You begin to anticipate special things that we do in March and April.
[00:01:16]  But as we come out of it on the other side, it is great to get back to, as I said, these basics and our bread and butter.
[00:01:24]  We have got a backlog of guests that will take us all summer to work through.
[00:01:28]  But I purposefully wanted to have Dr. Greg Johnson be our first guest in May because he is a jack of all trades as a commentator.
[00:01:39]  And he covers all of the things that I'm interested in.

=== The Indictment Conspiracy (09:20) ===

[00:01:42]  I'm at Countercurrents practically every day.
[00:01:45]  And with that having been said, let's say hello to its editor in chief, Dr. Greg Johnson.
[00:01:50]  Greg, great to have you back.
[00:01:52]  Thanks, James.
[00:01:53]  It's great to be back.
[00:01:55]  So much to talk to you about tonight, my friend.
[00:01:59]  We will touch on Trump, Iran.
[00:02:01]  We're going to talk about your most recent great success in Rome, the Eternal City.
[00:02:07]  You had an event there just a few days ago.
[00:02:09]  But let's first start with what was certainly the Dominant topic of last week's program, and still in many ways the talk of the town in white nationalist circles, and that is this indictment that has been levied upon the SPLC.
[00:02:23]  You wrote about it in your Nationalism This Week series at Countercurrents, appropriately titled The SPLC Indictment.
[00:02:30]  We cited from that piece on multiple occasions last week.
[00:02:34]  Why don't you walk us through it in your own words?
[00:02:38]  Well, the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has been a bane to our movement for decades now.
[00:02:46]  And we've known that they are a shady operation.
[00:02:49]  They raise ungodly amounts of money.
[00:02:52]  They have actually broken the law or suborned people to break the law.
[00:02:59]  But we never really dreamed that the U.S. Justice Department would actually indict them.
[00:03:06]  And on Tuesday, the 21st of April, a grand jury in Montgomery, Alabama, indicted them for 11 counts of wire fraud, making false statements to a federally insured bank.
[00:03:21]  And conspiracy to commit money laundering.
[00:03:24]  And this is based on FBI and also IRS investigations.
[00:03:31]  Now, if you look through the indictment, it's very interesting.
[00:03:36]  This is all based upon the fact that over a period of about 10 years, from 2014 to 2023, the SPLC had funneled more than $3 million to people affiliated with the KKK, United Clans of America.
[00:03:55]  Unite the Right, the National Alliance, the National Socialist Movement, American Front, the National Socialist Party of America, etc.
[00:04:05]  And these payments went beyond simply paying informants to betray their organizations.
[00:04:16]  Because, at least in the case of the Unite the Right rally, they were claiming that the insider at Unite the Right.
[00:04:26]  Was involved in organizing the actual event, organizing transportation to it, and beyond that was being coached in messaging.
[00:04:38]  So you had the SPLC actually taking part in the organization of an event, the Unite the Right rally, that they then decried as horrible racism and as reason why people need to donate even more to the SPLC, why people like me need to be deplatformed.
[00:05:01]  And on and on.
[00:05:02]  And so the claim is that they defrauded their donors.
[00:05:08]  They defrauded their donors by actually creating the hate that they were claiming to fight.
[00:05:16]  Now, that's an interesting charge, but none of the legal charges in the indictment are for fraud.
[00:05:23]  They're for things like money laundering and breaking rules with banks and things like that.
[00:05:28]  So I find that very peculiar.
[00:05:31]  I don't know why they took that angle.
[00:05:34]  Because the real substance of the critique and the thing that should be outrageous to the donors of the SPLC and to just disastrous to their credibility as a whole is the claim that they were basically creating hate, right?
[00:05:51]  The supply of hate out there wasn't sufficient for the demands that they had to ravenously raise funds.
[00:06:01]  And so they had to prime the pump a bit, they had to shape the messaging.
[00:06:07]  Which would be, of course, to make scary statements and scary events, right?
[00:06:13]  So that people would think SBLC is relevant.
[00:06:16]  That's clearly fraud.
[00:06:18]  And their credibility should be shot.
[00:06:21]  It should be totally ended.
[00:06:22]  Now, they put out more than $3 million over a 10 year period, during which period they raised more than $1 billion in donations for fighting hate.
[00:06:34]  So it was an extremely good investment.
[00:06:37]  Well, you know, Greg, I was going to say.
[00:06:39]  And of course, the background of the SPLC, anybody, I mean, we have been nipping at our heels since the first year we were on the air.
[00:06:48]  We know them very well and have dealt with them almost constantly.
[00:06:52]  I think anybody who's a regular listener of this program understands who they are and what they are and what their modus operandi is.
[00:06:58]  And we're not here to get back into all of that.
[00:07:01]  But just with regards to these charges, although it is important to remind people, but just with regards to these charges, and when we take this first break, we'll come back and we'll switch to Trump.
[00:07:12]  A lot of people are saying they'll settle out of court.
[00:07:15]  They've got the money to do it.
[00:07:16]  The people aren't really going to go to prison.
[00:07:18]  And that very well may be true.
[00:07:19]  Some people are even saying this will get dismissed outright.
[00:07:22]  I don't know if that will be the case because, again, the statistics are when a grand jury issues an indictment in a case like this, the conviction rate, or at least, and guilty includes pleas, 90 to 95% is the conviction rate.
[00:07:42]  So if the SPLC were to escape from this entirely, it would.
[00:07:46]  Be bucking major odds.
[00:07:47]  I mean, they have less than a 10% chance of that happening.
[00:07:51]  Unless this is just smoke and mirrors from the Trump administration to get focus off of other things, then I got to say, if that is the case, which I don't think it is because this was something that goes back years even to the Biden administration, this investigation, but if it was that, it has worked like a charm because I don't even know if there is anything going on in Iran.
[00:08:12]  I haven't heard anything about Iran from our usual contributors in two weeks.
[00:08:19]  Well, yeah, this investigation started during the First, the Trump administration.
[00:08:24]  This is not something that was just whipped up as a distraction, right?
[00:08:29]  As people, conspiratorial people, would like to say.
[00:08:33]  This has been ongoing.
[00:08:35]  It's a long time thing.
[00:08:39]  I don't know how it's going to play out in court.
[00:08:42]  Like I said, the things that they're charging them with in the indictment are different from the nerve of the accusation that they're essentially fraudulent.
[00:08:52]  So, why aren't these people being charged with fraud?
[00:08:55]  Also, Surely it's illegal to pay people to break the law.
[00:09:01]  I don't think that that would be too difficult to establish under any jurisdiction, even in Alabama.
[00:09:07]  It's probably illegal to pay people to break the law.
[00:09:10]  That's what I thought.
[00:09:12]  Greg, just part of this interruption.
[00:09:14]  Not a lot of focus in the indictment was on that.
[00:09:17]  It was all about technical, bank related fraud, fraudulent activity.
[00:09:22]  But I was asking the question of Glenn Allen and Sam Dixon last week on the show.
[00:09:27]  You know, is this where the illegality comes into play?
[00:09:29]  I mean, this is basically just a charity.
[00:09:31]  It's a 501c3 fundraising hustle.
[00:09:33]  We know what it really is, but in no way is it a law enforcement or government agency.
[00:09:39]  And, you know, can private citizens just hire people to go into organizations and steal their membership list and things like that, which is apparently what they were doing?
[00:09:48]  Well, in terms of the National Alliance, the National Alliance really is the only relevant organization on the whole list.
[00:09:59]  And in terms of the National Alliance, it claims that they paid somebody a million dollars, and part of that million dollars was for breaking and entering and stealing records, which were then taken to the SPLC and copied, and then another breaking and entering to return the records.
[00:10:18]  And then they paid somebody else to perjure himself to take the blame for that burglary.
[00:10:25]  Those are crimes.
[00:10:26]  I would say those are crimes.
[00:10:29]  Beyond that, it's obviously a criminal conspiracy.
[00:10:32]  So, where is the talk of RICO charges?
[00:10:35]  All of this seems to be on a very, very weak level, like they're being as cautious as possible with these technical bank things.
[00:10:44]  And I'm just somewhat baffled by that, frankly.
[00:10:48]  Everybody is still trying to wrap their minds around it.
[00:10:51]  I know Glenn Allen is reviewing a lot of the things that happened in his situation and is looking for different avenues, as are others.
[00:10:58]  And all we can do is wait and see where it goes.
[00:10:59]  But I've got the pop.
[00:11:01]  Hey, friends, it's Jay.

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[00:12:01]  You know where the solution can be found, Mr. President?
[00:12:05]  In churches, in wedding chapels, in maternity wards across the country and around the world.
[00:12:11]  More babies will mean forward looking adults, the sort we need to tackle long term, large scale problems.
[00:12:18]  American babies in particular are likely going to be wealthier, better educated, and more conservation minded than children raised in still industrializing countries.
[00:12:29]  As economist Tyler Cowan recently wrote By having more children, you're making your nation more populous, thus boosting its capacity to solve climate change.
[00:12:39]  The planet does not need for us to think globally and act locally so much as it needs us to think family and act personally.
[00:12:50]  The solution to so many of our problems, at all times and in all places, is to fall in love, get married, and have some kids.
[00:13:08]  And we're now back with the one and only Greg Johnson of counter-currents.com.
[00:13:14]  Check it out.
[00:13:15]  Always good stuff there.
[00:13:17]  Dave Chambers' piece, Preparing for a Future After Trump, is something we'll be talking about this segment with our guest, the prolific author, Dr. Johnson.
[00:13:27]  And it's been a recurring conversation, Greg, for over 10 years now: the utility of Trump, the pros and cons of Trump.
[00:13:35]  But let's just focus on the here and now, or at least the most recent few months.
[00:13:42]  As late as Christmas of last year, five months ago, we had a panel of 15 different usual suspects, all people you know, Peter Bremelow, David Zutty, Virginia Abernathy, and several people in Europe as well.
[00:14:01]  And it was a year in review assessment of Trump, the first year of his second administration, which would have been, of course, 2025.
[00:14:10]  And I think Trump was graded at 7.3 out of 10 by the American.
[00:14:15]  Contributors and 6.8 out of 10 by the Europeans.
[00:14:19]  And this is, of course, before what has been a mostly disastrous year in 2026 with the Minneapolis debacle and now Iran.
[00:14:28]  I would just ask you I mean, the big question is where do you stand on Trump right now?
[00:14:32]  Obviously, this SPLC thing is a bit of a good thing, a good development.
[00:14:36]  Where do you stand on him right now, vis a vis, of course, the only thing that matters with regards to Trump?
[00:14:42]  I love what you said, and I quoted this a few days or a few shows ago about just Trump was a tool.
[00:14:47]  He was always a tool, he was never a white nationalist.
[00:14:50]  Have we, let me just ask you this question.
[00:14:52]  Have our interests advanced in the last 10 years?
[00:14:56]  Are we better off now, today, even with Iran being the most recent thing everybody's talking about, than we were in 2015?
[00:15:04]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:15:05]  We're much better off because of Trump.
[00:15:08]  There's no question about it.
[00:15:10]  I'm very worried, though, that he's going to undo all the good stuff that he's done with this stupid war because.
[00:15:22]  The persistence of the good things that Trump has done and expanding and building upon those things depends upon keeping Republicans and not just any old Republicans, most of them are quite worthless, but a few good MAGA nationalist populist Republicans in positions of power.
[00:15:47]  And I'm very, very skeptical that that's going to happen because the That put Trump in office is a very rare thing.
[00:15:58]  I didn't think it was going to be the case that a lot of these people would go out and vote for more conventional Republicans anyway.
[00:16:05]  And Trump has done quite a lot to shred that group of people who came together to elect him.
[00:16:13]  And so the continuation of his good things, his positive legacy, could simply be all wiped away and reversed because of the.
[00:16:24]  Arrogance and stupidity and faithlessness, the treasonableness of this stupid war.
[00:16:31]  He came into office promising that this wasn't the kind of thing that was going to happen.
[00:16:37]  He broke that promise.
[00:16:39]  He broke it last year.
[00:16:40]  We all were relieved when he declared victory quickly and went home.
[00:16:44]  And then now we're in what?
[00:16:49]  Almost two months of a war that was supposed to last a few days or a few hours.
[00:16:56]  And the effects of this are going to be catastrophic for the global economy.
[00:17:00]  They're going to be catastrophic for the American economy and for Trump's long term legacy if the left gets back into power after the 2028 elections and starts reversing things.
[00:17:13]  Already, it looks very dicey that the 2026 midterms will produce a shift back towards the left.
[00:17:23]  So, yeah, I'm quite worried about this.
[00:17:26]  There are a lot of people buying and selling and passing around like a joint or like a crack pipe this meme that.
[00:17:35]  Look, folks, it was a drug deal.
[00:17:38]  We were making a drug deal with international Jewish power.
[00:17:43]  They would get their little war, and in exchange for backing them in their little war, we were going to get borders and a rollback of DEI and a rollback of anti white policies and so on and so forth.
[00:17:57]  So just be quiet and sit back and pray a little and hang on and hope the war is over so Trump can get back to all the good things he's doing.
[00:18:06]  That's nonsense because.
[00:18:10]  You can't get the good stuff, right?
[00:18:14]  You can't keep the good stuff if Trump's congressional majority disappears, if the Democrats get the White House again in 2028.
[00:18:22]  You're not going to get that good stuff.
[00:18:24]  And this war is disastrous in and of itself and disastrous electorally sufficiently to pretty much preclude the continuation of a Trump style regime after 2028.
[00:18:41]  So.
[00:18:42]  You know, it's not like we can't make a dope deal with B.B. Netanyahu and get something out of it.
[00:18:52]  If we go along with this deal, we're going to lose everything.
[00:18:56]  And I'm afraid we're just going to lose everything because there's no sign of this war ending in anything less than a complete and total humiliation for the United States.
[00:19:06]  Well, let me just say this.
[00:19:08]  If you wanted to put another feather in the cap of Trump, and that is his Supreme Court appointees, major.
[00:19:16]  News this week.
[00:19:18]  The Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act.
[00:19:21]  This is a 6 3 decision that came out on Wednesday morning.
[00:19:26]  And it is going to allow.
[00:19:30]  I mean, listen, I am not a lesser of two evils guy.
[00:19:32]  I have never been.
[00:19:34]  I'll talk a little bit about that in a second, as a matter of fact, and go way back in time and compare and contrast.
[00:19:39]  But as I say, I'm not telling people to be good little Republicans.
[00:19:42]  That's not who we are.
[00:19:44]  But this is a 6 3 vote.
[00:19:46]  The Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana's new congressional map that added a second majority black district, holding that it constitutes a racial gerrymander.
[00:19:55]  And today's ruling could, or excuse me, Wednesday's ruling, I'm reading from the article that was posted on Wednesday, help secure 27 more red states in Congress, cement GOP House control for at least a generation, and rewrite redistricting rules for state legislatures, city council, and school boards.
[00:20:11]  This is a major thing that would not have happened without Trump.
[00:20:14]  So, again, when you're assessing Trump, and if you have to assess him, Honestly, you have to look at the good and the bad.
[00:20:20]  Not too much, don't overemphasize the good or overexaggerate the bad.
[00:20:25]  I mean, there's plenty of bad and there's plenty of good.
[00:20:27]  But this thing is a game changer because you look to see.
[00:20:30]  I mean, you had a perfect window, Greg, into what the Democrats were going to do or what they were planning to do if they do, in fact, regain power in Virginia.
[00:20:39]  You look at Abigail Spanberger, and they have just basically taken a moderately competitive state.
[00:20:45]  The Democrats generally win Virginia, obviously, but it's not a blowout, it's not California.
[00:20:50]  And they basically just gave the Democrats all of the congressional seats in Virginia.
[00:20:55]  And she is so radical.
[00:20:58]  That is what they have planned for the rest of the country.
[00:21:01]  And so, again, you know, do you want that or do you want this?
[00:21:05]  I mean, I know the correct answer is we want an ethnostate.
[00:21:08]  We want a white nationalist America.
[00:21:10]  We want what we had, you know, 100, 200 years ago.
[00:21:14]  We want what we had in Europe hundreds of years ago.
[00:21:17]  I get that.
[00:21:17]  But this is what we, you know, these are the realistic choices right now.
[00:21:20]  And I do think that there is a culture shift going on.
[00:21:23]  You know, Elon Musk doing basically pro white tweets every day.
[00:21:29]  That's something.
[00:21:30]  I mean, he's a mixed bag too.
[00:21:32]  I get it.
[00:21:32]  Let's, you know, perfect and the good and all of that.
[00:21:34]  But anyway, this thing with the Supreme Court, I mean, that's something.
[00:21:40]  And as far as the DOJ, I mean, this is the choice.
[00:21:45]  Would you rather the DOJ be going after the organizations like the SPLC or people like us?
[00:21:50]  Because it is pretty much that cut and dry in black and white, Greg.
[00:21:56]  Yeah, I don't have any problem voting for the lesser evil.
[00:22:00]  Frankly, I actually think that that's just another way of describing voting for the greater good within a particular constrained set of options that are placed in front of you.
[00:22:14]  And that's basically the definition of rational behavior, as far as I'm concerned.
[00:22:20]  We don't get anything by acting like an infant, like a toddler in the high chair, refusing to eat his veggies, right?
[00:22:30]  It might work with mom.
[00:22:31]  It might work with mom.
[00:22:32]  You can hold your breath.
[00:22:34]  You can cry, you can refuse to eat, and mom might give you something new.
[00:22:40]  But it actually doesn't work that way in politics.
[00:22:42]  You can't get new options available to you in politics by not participating in any way.
[00:22:50]  And the idea that you can do that just bespeaks a colossal sort of narcissism that I can't fathom.
[00:22:59]  Who are you?
[00:23:00]  Who are you?
[00:23:01]  Who do you think you are that you can simply withdraw from the political realm and eventually?
[00:23:06]  People are going to notice that you're not around and they're going to come sniffing after you and trying to placate you.
[00:23:13]  That's not the way the world works.
[00:23:14]  I'm sorry.
[00:23:16]  But back to Trump, he's done a lot of good things.
[00:23:20]  He was clearly the best choice all three times that I voted for him.
[00:23:24]  Unfortunately, he's not running again.
[00:23:28]  And we have to think about his legacy and who will carry his legacy forward.
[00:23:33]  His legacy will be carried forward by other people.
[00:23:37]  Are these other people going to be able to get elected and hold on to power and maintain and expand, build upon the good things in his agenda?
[00:23:48]  My fear is no, that's not going to happen because of this war.
[00:23:53]  When you see somebody like, well, they call him, I can't think of his name, I'm blanking out.
[00:24:01]  They call him Oprah for Dudes.
[00:24:05]  The guy in Austin.
[00:24:06]  This is so embarrassing, I'm blanking out.
[00:24:08]  The podcaster dude.
[00:24:10]  Anyway.
[00:24:11]  It'll come to me.
[00:24:13]  But he has tens of millions.
[00:24:15]  I saw the tip of my tongue.
[00:24:16]  Joe Rogan.
[00:24:17]  What's wrong with me?
[00:24:18]  I knew we'd get there.
[00:24:20]  Yeah, I don't watch him, but I know who he is.
[00:24:23]  He's got an audience of tens of millions of largely males who are usually politically checked out.
[00:24:30]  He threw his support behind Trump.
[00:24:33]  Because of this war, he feels like he doesn't have a political home anymore.
[00:24:36]  That's going to change things in the future for Trumpian policies.
[00:24:41]  I want to stay on this for another segment.
[00:24:44]  And still to come this hour, we'll talk about Greg's recent trip to Rome.
[00:24:48]  Stay tuned.
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[00:25:00]  Breaking news at Town Hall.
[00:25:02]  I'm Bob Agnew in Washington.
[00:25:04]  The Supreme Court has struck down Louisiana's second majority black congressional district.
[00:25:07]  In a key voting rights decision, the court's action could open the door for Republican led states to eliminate black and Latino electoral districts that tend to favor Democrats.
[00:25:17]  Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the six conservatives, said Louisiana's map is an unconstitutional gerrymander.
[00:25:24]  But Justice Elena Kagan, who wrote in a dissent for the three liberal justices, Warned that the consequences are likely to be far reaching and grave.
[00:25:34]  Greg Clogston, Washington.
[00:25:36]  Defense Secretary Hegseth will be answering questions today on Capitol Hill.
[00:25:39]  Members of Congress are getting their first opportunity since the Iran war began to grill Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.
[00:25:47]  Hegseth is appearing before a House Armed Services Committee hearing on the Trump administration's $1.5 trillion military budget for 2027.
[00:25:56]  Democratic lawmakers are likely to grill Hegseth on the costs of the Iran war and the huge drawdown.
[00:26:03]  Of critical munitions.
[00:26:05]  Lawmakers from both parties have also raised concerns about HEGSET's firing of top generals and other military leaders, while a ceasefire is now in place.

=== Hegseth Under Scrutiny (04:19) ===

[00:26:16]  And Lisa Dwyer.
[00:26:17]  The UAE says it's pulling out of OPEC, saying it will forge its own path forward on oil production now.
[00:26:23]  This is a big blow for OPEC, which was formed decades earlier as a means to control the prices of crude oil on the international market by setting production targets, and the UAE.
[00:26:36]  Was one of those countries that really chafed under those limits.
[00:26:39]  The UAE says it will be able to set its own production levels.
[00:26:42]  It says it will still be a responsible player within the market.
[00:26:46]  But it also comes amid tensions with Saudi Arabia.
[00:26:49]  This is all coming as the whole Middle East is still reeling from the Iran war.
[00:26:54]  That's correspondent John Gambrill reporting more at townhall.com.
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[00:30:08]  Welcome back as we continue our discussion with Greg Johnson about current affairs.
[00:30:13]  We are back to current affairs here on TPC after two months of fun and varied programming.
[00:30:22]  I like having people like Greg on this show.
[00:30:25]  I like having serious analysis.
[00:30:29]  You know, if I want to talk about something going on in the Middle East, I'm calling Mark Weber.
[00:30:32]  If I want to talk about something pertaining to Jews, I'm calling Kevin McDonald.

=== Serious Analysis Matters (11:19) ===

[00:30:36]  You know, Lou Moore is another guy that we've just really.
[00:30:39]  Taken a strong liking to in recent years.
[00:30:41]  He's pro white, but he is also a political professional and has worked at the very highest echelons of GOP politics.
[00:30:48]  But he sees things clearly.
[00:30:49]  He can come on and give commentary and opinion from a very informed perspective.
[00:30:55]  And after all these years, I mean, we have people that we bring on in certain situations, plug and play situations like this.
[00:31:02]  I like welcoming new guests, but I also like having reasoned conversations.
[00:31:10]  Doommaxing is in for the live stream portion of our ranks, and it's easy to get into that and say the things the audience wants to hear to unlock some super chats or whatever.
[00:31:21]  But yeah, I like what you said earlier, Greg.
[00:31:23]  It's not that we're, it's a lesser of two evils consideration, it's a consideration over the greater good.
[00:31:30]  And yes, you do have despicable Republicans, a lot of them, like Randy Fine, but you also have Andy Ogles in Tennessee who has put forth legislation.
[00:31:40]  To repeal the Hart Cellar Act.
[00:31:42]  And who's to say what may or may not be possible?
[00:31:45]  I can tell you, 10 years ago, Greg, I would have never thought that the Republican majority on the Supreme Court, well, they're not partisan, but you know what I mean.
[00:31:53]  Because of a Republican majority, you would have gotten a Supreme Court appointment like this that would have gutted the Voting Rights Act.
[00:31:59]  And as Brad Griffin writes, the Supreme Court has gutted the Voting Rights Act, which will change the political landscape of the South and allow Republicans to flip multiple House seats.
[00:32:08]  This decision will prove to be a long term win for Republicans.
[00:32:12]  But it won't matter much in the midterms because they won't have time to redistrict and change their maps before November.
[00:32:18]  And then, of course, you've still got to reconcile this with Trump's unpopularity with independence over Epstein, Iran, gas prices, and the economy.
[00:32:26]  And that's going to bring them down probably this fall, Greg.
[00:32:30]  But again, if you want to sit and have an hour long conversation about the bad of Trump, we can do that.
[00:32:36]  But I like to be honest and objective, and that's what we're doing.
[00:32:41]  So take it away from there.
[00:32:44]  Well, thanks.
[00:32:46]  I do think that the Voting Rights Act changes is long term very important.
[00:32:51]  There are a lot of good things that are happening.
[00:32:53]  Again, my big concern is that if the left gets back into power, it can all go away.
[00:33:00]  And I do believe that we are coming to the end of American multi party democracy because multi party democracy means that you have to be willing to, in effect, hand a loaded gun to your political opponents every once in a while.
[00:33:15]  And you can only do that if you trust them not to use it on you.
[00:33:19]  And I honestly don't think that we can trust the left with power anymore.
[00:33:24]  And they obviously don't think that the right can be trusted with power, which is why they stole the 2020 election.
[00:33:32]  They would have stolen the 2024 election if they could have had a plausible candidate who could get close enough that it wouldn't have been completely obvious.
[00:33:42]  So I do think that we're in a very, very dangerous time.
[00:33:45]  And there's no margin for error and stupidity.
[00:33:50]  And This war is a colossal error.
[00:33:54]  It's a colossal act of stupidity.
[00:33:57]  And my fear is that it's just going to shred the Trump coalition and basically allow the left to come back with a vengeance and reverse all the good things that he's done.
[00:34:07]  So that's my fear.
[00:34:10]  We just don't have, again, margin for error.
[00:34:13]  And the people in power, they seem silly.
[00:34:18]  They seem oblivious to how serious the stakes are.
[00:34:22]  They don't realize how late it is.
[00:34:25]  They don't realize how dire it is.
[00:34:28]  Most Republicans think they can fail up and get some kind of cushy job with a lobbying group or something like that.
[00:34:36]  They're comfortable being the.
[00:34:39]  The false opposition, basically.
[00:34:42]  They don't see this as existential and apocalyptic like we do and like the far left does.
[00:34:51]  But I do think we're making inroads with Republicans.
[00:34:55]  I do think that more people realize that this really is very, very serious and that time is late and they have to fight like this is an existential struggle because it is.
[00:35:09]  I mentioned a moment ago of this piece at ocidentaldescent.com, Brad Griffin's website from Wednesday, and it shows the current electoral map with regards to congressional district proportions and whether Democrats have seats in the old Confederacy versus a plausible scenario of what the Republicans could do if they have the balls of Abigail Spanberger.
[00:35:32]  And I got to say, you know, in the South, you will at least be assured that if you flip those seats, you're going to have a nominally conservative Republican.
[00:35:43]  That will at least hold the line on things like immigration.
[00:35:45]  I mean, that is a marginal net gain on the periphery.
[00:35:51]  And as I said, I mean, it's a sin to despair.
[00:35:54]  So I don't just sit here and fret, but it is a very real scenario, especially once Trump is gone, that this Eye of Sauron type evil will be focused squarely on pro white activists.
[00:36:08]  And you're going to have lawfare, people losing homes, going to prison.
[00:36:11]  And that's just not winning to me.
[00:36:13]  I don't see how we win that way.
[00:36:16]  Right.
[00:36:17]  Right.
[00:36:19]  There's another thing that I'd like to address that is connected with the SPLC thing.
[00:36:26]  If we can back up just for a second.
[00:36:28]  Please, yes.
[00:36:28]  Bow me.
[00:36:29]  There are a lot of really bad takes on this coming out from MAGA influencers.
[00:36:36]  And of course, it comes straight from the top, it comes from Trump.
[00:36:40]  Trump is trying to run with the idea that Unite the Right was basically created by the left to make Trump look bad.
[00:36:51]  Right.
[00:36:52]  Lots and lots of sort of Fox News-repicking Republicans are running with that line, and people whose bread is buttered by basically repeating MAGA talking points are running with that line.
[00:37:07]  And I just want to say, and I know you'll agree with me, that actually, no, our movement was not created by the SPLC.
[00:37:18]  Although, I will say this: our movement was created by.
[00:37:22]  Open borders, by the failure of multiculturalism, by the heinous moral double standards of the left, by the catastrophic results of their policies.
[00:37:34]  They created us in a way.
[00:37:36]  We are the natural, normal reaction that you could expect and predict from all these bad policies that have been going on for generations.
[00:37:45]  And I was around, and you were around, way long before the SPLC was.
[00:37:53]  Passing around this money starting, what, in 2014?
[00:37:57]  And we all know that our cause is real and that far from being bankrolled by the SPLC, we've suffered a great deal, I think, financially because of the work of groups like the SPLC.
[00:38:15]  I have been deplatformed.
[00:38:17]  I've been running Countercurrents for a long time now, since 2010.
[00:38:21]  So we're coming up on our 16th anniversary.
[00:38:25]  We have been deplatformed from credit card processors, from Amazon.com, from X, from Facebook.
[00:38:33]  I try not to dwell on this stuff, but they probably cost me over the last 10 years a million dollars in revenue.
[00:38:41]  At least, at the very least.
[00:38:43]  That's what the SPLC has done for me.
[00:38:48]  And I resent mightily these idiots who are nominally on the right, and it goes right to the top, it goes to Trump, basically arguing that our movement is fake and it's simply there to make them look bad.
[00:39:03]  I'm sorry that that's not the case.
[00:39:07]  And if you don't want our votes and support, if you think that we make you look bad, just say so, right?
[00:39:14]  Just say so.
[00:39:14]  You're going to find, though, that I don't think these people are going to be able to make their MAGA coalition come together without people like us.
[00:39:24]  You had a good line on this in your piece.
[00:39:26]  I actually read from it last week, and that is that it is unfortunate.
[00:39:30]  And a lot of people focused on this in our show last week, which was basically three hours on the SPLC.
[00:39:35]  Indictment, and that is, but most informed people are not being swayed by these MAGA tier influencers who are saying that every authentic expression of white identity is something bankrolled by the SPLC.
[00:39:48]  And I, but I also went so far as to say last week, Greg, that I actually have more respect in some ways for people like Morris Dees than these MAGA tier people because I appreciate authenticity.
[00:39:59]  I appreciate a mortal enemy more than these milquetoast cucks and false friends.
[00:40:06]  Oh, I absolutely agree.
[00:40:08]  This is very shameful, frankly, and it's coming all the way from the top, from the president.
[00:40:15]  Donald Trump is one of these people who still allows the left to hold his leash, to hold his chain, and specifically to grant him his moral legitimacy.
[00:40:29]  He looks to these people, and like many people in the mainstream, they believe that it is morally heinous for white people to take their own side.
[00:40:40]  It's fine for other groups to do that, but morally heinous for people like us.
[00:40:44]  And he accepts that and plays by those rules.
[00:40:47]  We don't.
[00:40:48]  And he should be held accountable for that.
[00:40:50]  That's a shame, and it's disgusting.
[00:40:52]  A comment by Trump on that issue, and certainly all of his acolytes.
[00:40:58]  But we are still breaking through.
[00:40:59]  There's no doubt about that.
[00:41:00]  Stay tuned.
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[00:43:17]  What a place, what a venue, what a city for an event.
[00:43:21]  He was also in Finland for a speech, and I want to close this hour.
[00:43:24]  We'll have to move quickly with his take on Viktor Orban.
[00:43:28]  That's something we haven't been able to work in yet, even though that was a couple of weeks ago.
[00:43:34]  But, Greg, as you know, I got my start in 2000 with Buchanan, and I remember back in January of 2000, you know, my thought process was, and again, you know, when you're 19, 20 years old, you don't know anything.
[00:43:44]  You don't have a baseline of experience to draw upon.
[00:43:48]  But I was thinking, okay, well, this guy came in second place basically in the GOP field in 1996.
[00:43:54]  Serious candidate.
[00:43:56]  He's going to be getting federal matching funds.
[00:43:58]  The other two parties suck so bad.
[00:44:00]  Bush and Gore are just abhorrent.
[00:44:03]  You could have made yourself believe that there was going to be a push to, at the very least, build a third party.
[00:44:10]  And none of that worked out.
[00:44:12]  And I can.
[00:44:13]  Remember towards the end of that campaign, the last month or so before Election Day, redoubling my efforts in hopes that at least we could cost Bush the election.
[00:44:27]  I mean, I was just motivated by pure vengeance at that point.
[00:44:32]  And, you know, it was interesting if people will recall, there were some oddly formed ballots in West Palm Beach, Florida, I believe.
[00:44:43]  And the Jews that were voting down there believed that they were voting for Gore, but because of the way that these ballots were manufactured, they had cast their votes for Buchanan, and the Supreme Court upheld those votes, saying that, well, you did vote for him, whether you meant to or not.
[00:44:59]  And that actually, it was because of Pat Buchanan's candidacy that George Bush won.
[00:45:03]  Had Pat Buchanan not been in the race, the conventional wisdom was, you know, a right wing candidate would take votes away from the conservative candidate or the nominally conservative neocon candidate, whatever.
[00:45:12]  Didn't work that way.
[00:45:13]  And because of Pat, Gore got in.
[00:45:16]  And.
[00:45:17]  But we needed that.
[00:45:18]  We needed those horrific Bush years, Greg, and the horrible candidacies of Mitt Romney and God knows John McCain.
[00:45:26]  I mean, John McCain basically campaigned for Obama that entire cycle.
[00:45:30]  If Bush had lost, here's my point.
[00:45:31]  If Bush had lost, you would have been set back years of people just saying, well, if we could have just gotten Bush in there instead of Gore, everything would have been fine.
[00:45:40]  So we needed all of that.
[00:45:41]  And then Trump comes in in 2016, he runs on Pat's issues, and the rest is history.
[00:45:45]  I still got to say, It just came up on my feed last night, randomly on Twitter, one of these montages of Trump defeating Hillary.
[00:45:56]  You know, just a montage of all of the commentators during the day, 85, 90% chance Hillary wins.
[00:46:02]  Everybody at those disgusting, despicable people at her victory party is celebrating, and then their faces dropping, the tears coming.
[00:46:14]  You know, I still tingle watching that, and I certainly wouldn't have felt that way for anybody.
[00:46:19]  And I'm glad that he beat Kamala, too.
[00:46:21]  I am.
[00:46:21]  So we're here where we are, for better or worse, because of that whole chain of events that I just went through.

=== Retreats Across Europe (08:03) ===

[00:46:26]  So it's kind of interesting to think on.
[00:46:29]  But anyway, Greg, you can respond to that if you want to.
[00:46:32]  And if not, let's talk about Rome.
[00:46:35]  Well, let's talk about Rome because we only have a few minutes.
[00:46:39]  For years, I've been doing weekend retreats with our writers and donors and friends.
[00:46:44]  I've done three in Europe now.
[00:46:47]  And the most recent one was in Rome.
[00:46:51]  And we had a number of.
[00:46:54]  People that you know, friends.
[00:46:56]  Dara Taylor was there and Kevin Deanna was there.
[00:47:00]  We had a weekend.
[00:47:03]  We basically did it at the Casa Pound Italia headquarters in Rome, which was a really interesting experience for a lot of people who weren't familiar with Casa Pound.
[00:47:13]  I wanted to introduce people like Jared and Paul Wagner from Wolves of Vinland and Kevin Deanna and the other people who attended to Casa Pound because I do think they're a tremendously impressive political, metapolitical community group in Italy that's been around for 23 years and they have.
[00:47:34]  Facilities all over Italy, 70 or 80 in every Italian region.
[00:47:40]  They cut across all the different classes of Italian society, and they are quite a functional model that I think bears studying and imitation to the extent that can be imitated in America.
[00:47:54]  So I thought it was a tremendous success introducing people to Casa Pound.
[00:47:59]  We talked about Rome, we talked about the big issues facing our movement, we did a lot of networking.
[00:48:06]  And plotting and scheming because I like to leave a lot of time in these retreats for that kind of activity.
[00:48:13]  And then about half the people who came, we had between 40 and 50 people.
[00:48:19]  About half the people who went stayed on for five more days doing tourism around Rome, just looking at all the big sites, all the stuff that is on every Rome tour list, like the Vatican Museums and St. Peter's Basilica and the Colosseum and the Forum, the Pantheon.
[00:48:38]  And the Castel San Angelo, some of the Baroque era palaces and museums.
[00:48:43]  It was a really great time.
[00:48:45]  Everyone seemed to thoroughly enjoy it.
[00:48:48]  And I came away thinking, gosh, I feel guilty because I just had so much fun.
[00:48:55]  But I know that these things actually are important because you can't really make this movement work without taking it offline into the real world and actually building camaraderie and real relationships as the foundation of.
[00:49:11]  Actual political change.
[00:49:12]  And that's what we were doing.
[00:49:14]  It's part of the 20% of efforts that produce 80% of the rewards, but it's so deceptive because it just seems like fun.
[00:49:22]  It was a lot of fun, but it was extremely fun as well.
[00:49:29]  Well, only you could have put that on.
[00:49:30]  And Countercurrents has a history of going to these incredible destinations in Europe and doing these retreats.
[00:49:37]  And of course, you do them here in the United States as well, usually Europe in the spring and the U.S. in the Fall.
[00:49:45]  You were also in Finland for a separate event, but one that you were also featured.
[00:49:51]  Yeah, I spoke at the Finnish Awakening Conference just outside of Helsinki.
[00:49:56]  I had not been to Finland in eight years.
[00:49:58]  It was very nice to go back.
[00:49:59]  There were a lot of people there that I was really fond of, and I got to see a lot of them again.
[00:50:05]  And I saw a lot of new people, which was great.
[00:50:09]  The organization is a Finnish identitarian group.
[00:50:14]  They They are hardcore on all of our issues.
[00:50:18]  They attract a lot of really bright people.
[00:50:20]  They have a great country and a great way of life.
[00:50:23]  They're a completely unique people, and I want them to keep Finland for the finish.
[00:50:29]  And after the event, I spent some time in Helsinki, and there were a couple things I noticed.
[00:50:34]  And maybe this was just because of random factors, but Helsinki actually seemed whiter than it was eight years ago.
[00:50:42]  Again, maybe I was just in the right place at the right time or something.
[00:50:45]  Also, it was funny, I noticed a whole bunch more movement.
[00:50:49]  Merchandise for sale in Helsinki.
[00:50:53]  And Jared and I were talking about this.
[00:50:55]  And it's a small country, and it's a very wholesome thing for a small country to have as one of its major exports sort of wholesome, harmless, healthy children's stories and merchandise connected with them.
[00:51:12]  So I thought that was kind of nice.
[00:51:15]  I really like Finland, and my heart's with the Finns and their struggle to keep it a nice white country.
[00:51:24]  Thank you so much.
[00:51:25]  I love these eyewitness reports from people travel abroad and have events abroad and speak at places like this.
[00:51:32]  It's just nice to be able to share that information with the audience for the people who weren't there.
[00:51:37]  We have a minute remaining in a topic that could have dominated a half hour minimum, but you have a unique knowledge of Hungary that a lot of Americans won't have.
[00:51:49]  We will talk more about the defeat of Viktor Orban, but Greg, in a minute, is this the disaster and the setback that a lot of people?
[00:51:56]  Fear, or could there be something that we're not seeing?
[00:52:00]  It's not as big a disaster as a lot of people fear.
[00:52:04]  The fellow who defeated Orban defeated him by running to Orban's right on some issues, specifically signature issues like immigration.
[00:52:16]  Orban made a lot of mistakes.
[00:52:18]  He made a lot of compromises, very similar compromises to the ones made by Trump with guest workers and selling out to the oligarchy.
[00:52:27]  And I think that that came back to bite Orban.
[00:52:30]  Orban was widely seen also as too sycophantic to foreign leaders and foreign countries and their interests, which doesn't play well in a nationalistic country like Hungary.
[00:52:43]  And so, Peter Majar, who defeated Orban, he's a mysterious character.
[00:52:51]  I don't know what makes him tick, I don't know how he'll govern, but my sense is that if he tries to do anything radically, Bad for Hungary.
[00:53:03]  He won't be able to do it.
[00:53:04]  Anyway, even though his party, which is just an instant party as a vehicle for himself, has two thirds of the seats in the parliament, there's such a coalition of disparate elements, including people on the right and people on the left, that the big challenge for him would be governing his own party before he can govern the country.
[00:53:27]  And given those constraints, I think that he's going to be fairly cautious and do things that are Popular and not do things that are terribly polarizing.
[00:53:38]  And the Hungarians, they don't want open borders.
[00:53:42]  They are very populist and nationalist, and rightly so.
[00:53:48]  So, my sense is that it's not a disaster that everybody fears.
[00:53:53]  And so, be of good cheer about Hungary.
[00:53:56]  That is a great way.
[00:53:57]  My goodness, we did have enough time to at least get a cursory take on that and a very well informed one and encouraging as well.
[00:54:04]  Always the way you want to end an hour.
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[00:54:21]  Greg, thanks so much.
[00:54:22]  Talk to you again soon, my friend.
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[00:54:26]  Lydia Brimlow coming up next.
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