The Political Cesspool - James Edwards - Radio Show Hour 2 – 2026/04/25
Aired: 2026-04-26
Duration: 54:47


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[00:00:01]  You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is The Political Cesspool.
[00:00:13]  The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
[00:00:22]  And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:30]  As you know, folks, the Department of Justice recently announced that a federal grand jury in Alabama has charged the Southern Poverty Law Center with multiple counts of wire and bank fraud related charges.
[00:00:41]  We have assembled a special panel of activists.
[00:00:44]  And attorneys to discuss this indictment, and we're asking them to share their reactions and encouraging them to focus on whatever aspects of this development that they find most interesting.
[00:00:56]  Now, continuing that conversation is my friend Glenn Allen, attorney Glenn Allen.
[00:01:02]  He is the founder, president, chairman of the board, and chief legal officer of the Free Expression Foundation.
[00:01:09]  Prior to that, Glenn worked as an attorney for the city of Baltimore and with other very Very prestigious.
[00:01:18]  And he had firsthand experience being persecuted by the SPLC.
[00:01:22]  That is correct, and other very prestigious law firms.
[00:01:26]  He is one of the most accomplished and intelligent men I have ever met, and certainly that extends to his legal, to him in the legal realm.
[00:01:37]  Glenn, there is so much to talk about.
[00:01:39]  You've released a statement on this.
[00:01:41]  What was your initial reaction?
[00:01:42]  What about this do you want to talk about?
[00:01:46]  Well, I had mixed feelings.
[00:01:49]  James, I had three different reactions.
[00:01:51]  One was what I guess comes from the German word of Schadenfreude, that the SPLC was now in a world of hurt.
[00:01:59]  And I enjoyed that because if anyone deserves some karma coming to them, it would be that organization.
[00:02:06]  So I had some strong Schadenfreude.
[00:02:09]  That was part of my reaction.
[00:02:12]  The second part was vindication because I had filed a lawsuit against the SPLC based on the proposition that Heidi Beirich had.
[00:02:23]  Had bribed or improperly influenced an employee at the National Alliance to turn over confidential information, and that she then used that information to get me doxxed and get me fired.
[00:02:35]  And the federal judge, amazingly, held that my allegations were not plausible and dismissed my case.
[00:02:44]  And I just scratched my head off.
[00:02:46]  The justice would beg to differ.
[00:02:49]  Yeah, I was.
[00:02:52]  Is this judge going to read that and say, you know, I was very wrong?
[00:02:55]  It was not only plausible, it's exactly what was happening.
[00:03:00]  And then I guess there's also that kind of lingering disappointment that the legal system that I work in had treated me so unfairly, but not only me.
[00:03:12]  After I was doxxed and lost my job, as James has indicated, I created a nonprofit.
[00:03:19]  Prior to that, I also created something called the Breathing Space for Descent.
[00:03:23]  And I learned about all the victims of the SPLC, and often very decent people.
[00:03:29]  I remember being contacted by a group of elderly folks.
[00:03:34]  I'm elderly myself, but she called them a group of grandmas and grandpas up in Minnesota that would meet in the library to discuss the Somali invasion.
[00:03:44]  And the SPLC put them on their hate map.
[00:03:47]  And there were a lot of instances like that.
[00:03:49]  And I just realized.
[00:03:53]  You know how much we had been victimized and how the legal system had not risen to the occasion because the Espacil would walk in with this kind of presumption that they were a legitimate organization.
[00:04:06]  Mother Paw Candle, down you can farm.
[00:04:09]  Glenn, let me ask you this.
[00:04:11]  This is key, and I want to encourage people to go to freexpressionfoundation.org.
[00:04:16]  There's a lot of reasons for you to go there.
[00:04:18]  This is Glenn's nonprofit, freexpressionfoundation.org.
[00:04:22]  As I mentioned, Glenn is one of the most competent, capable, brilliant attorneys that you could ever.
[00:04:27]  Ever find, regardless of political opinion.
[00:04:29]  We're just so fortunate that he happens to agree with ours.
[00:04:32]  But free expression foundation.org, you may need his services, but you'll certainly want to support the people who do, and you can support his work there.
[00:04:42]  It's a task of a simple organization.
[00:04:44]  You get a nice write off.
[00:04:46]  But Glenn, I was reading your statement that you wrote about this, and we're going to repost it at our website in the next few days.
[00:04:53]  But you were hopeful there's a lot of diversity of opinion.
[00:04:58]  On whether or not the SBLC is actually going to swing for this, you are hopeful that they are going to actually face and experience true justice.
[00:05:10]  I am.
[00:05:11]  I am indeed.
[00:05:12]  My concern is that this might drag out.
[00:05:16]  I mean, it's such a political decision whether to pursue these kind of prosecutions.
[00:05:21]  But if the Democrats get back in power, I'm sure they would shut down the lawsuit, the criminal indictment.
[00:05:29]  But we've got some time.
[00:05:33]  Go ahead.
[00:05:34]  I was just going to say that they are, you know, certainly some names are going to come up, not just the S. As to who is directing this, and I can't wait for that for the discovery phase to kick in.
[00:05:47]  That was one thing Lydia Bremlow wrote about today how much she is looking forward to the discovery.
[00:05:51]  But Glenn, I want to give you a wide berth here to carry us to the break on this segment.
[00:05:55]  And that is, I would just remind the audience that when a grand jury extends an indictment, the conviction rate is between 90 and 95 percent.
[00:06:12]  So the SPLC would be bucking the odds to a tremendous extent.
[00:06:16]  To skate free on this, although it has happened before.
[00:06:18]  So, again, carry on with that and make any final statements you want.
[00:06:21]  You've got about four minutes.
[00:06:22]  We will not interrupt.
[00:06:23]  Sure, sure.
[00:06:25]  Yeah.
[00:06:26]  No, I'm confident that, you know, I haven't read the indictment with assiduous care, but I'm not sure what they're seeking.
[00:06:38]  I don't think they're seeking prison time for these people, but much as they deserve it, I think those people that ran the SPLC.
[00:06:46]  Engaged in criminal behavior and they should be behind bars.
[00:06:49]  I think they're seeking a forfeiture, but that's pretty huge.
[00:06:53]  I mean, this has been going on for, gosh, you know, how many years, and I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars the SPLC has obtained from that.
[00:07:02]  And so I think there's going to be a huge financial hit to the SPLC.
[00:07:07]  And also, James, you know, there are such things as class action lawyers, and I am quite confident that they're gearing up.
[00:07:16]  To go to these donors and say, you know, here's a class action to get back the money that you gave.
[00:07:23]  And I know these class action lawyers, and I know they're motivated by money and they smell money, and the SPLC has money.
[00:07:31]  So I think that's a good thing.
[00:07:34]  Yeah, I think the SPLC is going to get hit financially, and it may be hit so hard that it goes out of business, but I am planning to be one of those that goes after them too.
[00:07:46]  So I'm thinking with my colleagues to maybe revive my lawsuit, and as I think your colleague has mentioned, there is a provision for vacating a judgment based on newly discovered evidence, and I may do that.
[00:08:05]  And also, I need to look at the pleadings.
[00:08:08]  I don't know what the SPLC said when I alleged that Randolph Diliway was bribed.
[00:08:13]  If they said, no, no, no, that's not true, I guess I have an argument that they made a false statement and they made it to the court.
[00:08:20]  And that's another basis for undoing that judgment.
[00:08:24]  So I think something that's going to have to happen, though, is that they don't settle this case without disclosing the names of the individuals.
[00:08:35]  The names of the individuals is the key to, I think, The newly discovered evidence.
[00:08:39]  Please are considered to be a conviction as far as it goes.
[00:08:45]  I'm talking to two attorneys, so what do I know?
[00:08:46]  I'm a layman, but I've been doing a lot of research this week.
[00:08:49]  But no, Glenn, listen, I got to say, you are a fighter and you are a lion, and you have not only set an example for the rest of us to follow in terms of how to honorably and nobly appoint yourself in the face of very unfortunate circumstances.
[00:09:08]  But you've also given hope to others since then through the Free Expression Foundation.
[00:09:12]  I cannot recommend it highly enough.
[00:09:16]  FreeExpressionFoundation.org.
[00:09:18]  Just go there and read about it, and you'll know why.
[00:09:21]  But, Glenn, a final word to you with a minute remaining, and thank you for being a part of this panel discussion tonight.
[00:09:27]  Yeah, James, you're in my pantheon of heroes.
[00:09:32]  I've talked about nobility.
[00:09:34]  I mean, James Edwards embodies it.
[00:09:36]  So, I appreciate your words, but I do try to help, and I have always tried to help.
[00:09:42]  If anyone has some connection that they think might have some need of legal analysis or legal representation, and that's what I created the Free Expression Foundation for.
[00:09:55]  And given the number of victims the SBLC has, I imagine there are a lot of people out there that we should talk to and see what we can do for them.
[00:10:06]  And I'm glad to do that.
[00:10:07]  So, yeah, so wish us the best.
[00:10:14]  Nothing would please me more than to come away with a verdict, take away some of that ill-gotten gains from the SBLC and distribute it to victims or other people who deserve it.
[00:10:24]  And see, Heidi Byrick and Mark Potock get their just desserts.
[00:10:29]  Oh, my goodness.
[00:10:29]  Well, I tell you.
[00:10:32]  If you believe it.
[00:10:35]  It was meant to be almost.
[00:10:37]  I mean, what happened to you 10 years ago, I wouldn't wish on anyone, but I'm so glad that it gave birth.
[00:10:44]  To the Free Expression Foundation.
[00:10:48]  God's will be done.
[00:10:49]  And thank you, Glenn Allen, for everything you do.
[00:10:53]  We'll talk to you again soon.
[00:10:54]  I can't wait to see where this goes.
[00:10:56]  Okay, thank you again.
[00:10:59]  You got it.
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=== Charlottesville Lessons Learned (13:33) ===

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[00:12:31]  This is a battle, a battle between truth and deceit, a battle between forces that would enslave this country in darkness.
[00:12:39]  And between a media that wants to present you with the truth, we are being censored.
[00:12:44]  America's news outlets no longer provide the truth.
[00:12:48]  Ninety percent of news outlets in the United States are controlled by six corporations.
[00:12:53]  The mission of the Epoch Times is to chase the truth, to ground all statements in fact.
[00:12:59]  The Epoch Times.com So, Patrick Martin is, of course, our resident expert on everything, as Keith said during the break between Glenn Allen's appearance and now, Patrick.
[00:13:17]  I mean, but it has been true this year.
[00:13:19]  I cannot keep this man off the radio.
[00:13:23]  I typically don't like to have a guest on too much.
[00:13:25]  I don't like to draw from any well too often.
[00:13:27]  But when it comes to Iran, well, he was a former government contractor with a degree in Islamic studies.
[00:13:34]  He's been all over the world.
[00:13:35]  He knows what's going on there.
[00:13:36]  We had him on Confederate History Month a few weeks ago.
[00:13:40]  Well, we wrote the book, he put together the book.
[00:13:43]  The Honorable Calls of the Free South.
[00:13:46]  He's a Southern nationalist.
[00:13:47]  Gotta have him on.
[00:13:48]  Tonight, he was actually scratching our head about who's the expert to call.
[00:13:53]  We know the answer is Patrick Martin.
[00:13:55]  Well, tonight, I mean, you know, we're talking about the SBLC indictment.
[00:14:00]  He's quarreled with them.
[00:14:01]  He was at Charlottesville.
[00:14:02]  He wrote the book, A Walk in the Park My Charlottesville Story.
[00:14:08]  And Patrick, that is what you had commented on.
[00:14:11]  You were there, you wrote a book about the event.
[00:14:13]  I was.
[00:14:14]  You guaranteed, as I'm reading from your social media, there were bad apples in the group, but the vast majority of us were sincere participants seeking to stop the removal of a Confederate monument.
[00:14:24]  Many of the optics were not contrived, they were reactions to communist attacks on us.
[00:14:29]  And you write, I think most interestingly, your book, A Walk in the Park My Charlottesville Story, which is available for sale on Amazon tonight.
[00:14:37]  You wrote the book for this day, today.
[00:14:40]  What has happened?
[00:14:42]  Yeah, so first of all, you know, again, thank you very much.
[00:14:45]  It's always an honor to be on the show.
[00:14:47]  Great to hear you and Keith.
[00:14:50]  Really, bottom line is this, with regard to Charlottesville, a lot of folks, you know, they now, there have been a lot of folks saying, folks like Tucker Carlson and so forth as well, who I actually like, but saying that we were some kind of PSYOP or some kind of left wing operation, some kind of federal operation, what have you.
[00:15:06]  And now, of course, this comes out with the SPLC having paid off one fella who was part of the organization.
[00:15:13]  The bottom line is, it was the right cause to be at.
[00:15:18]  Charlottesville, Prior to that, there was New Orleans.
[00:15:21]  There's been a number of, there was Shelbyville later on that year, the removal of Southern icons and Southern monuments.
[00:15:28]  In fact, January of that year, I wound up leading a different protest, another protest in Tallahassee about the removal of Confederate monuments as well.
[00:15:38]  So this has been an ongoing struggle where there's this race to erase the Southern culture, to remove any kind of messages of history.
[00:15:50]  And so most of us showed up for that purpose alone, was to stop the Lee monument from being removed.
[00:15:56]  It wasn't just any town, by the way.
[00:15:57]  I think that's the one thing a lot of folks fail to remember.
[00:16:00]  Charlottesville is the University of Virginia's home.
[00:16:04]  The University of Virginia was Thomas Jefferson, probably one of the great minds of the South toward the foundation of these United States.
[00:16:12]  Right.
[00:16:12]  And so the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence, the man who played an intricate role in the formation of the Virginia Constitution that would ultimately be used as a blueprint by James Madison.
[00:16:23]  John Jay and Alexander Hamilton to write out the Constitution, the U.S. Constitution.
[00:16:27]  That was all written in Charlottesville.
[00:16:30]  Charlottesville was kind of ground zero with Monticello so close, Madison's always so close.
[00:16:36]  Charlottesville was somewhat of the epicenter of American intellectual thought and political thought, sort of a libertarian form of ideology.
[00:16:46]  And that's why the leftists needed to come and attack it.
[00:16:48]  That's why the leftists needed to destroy it as an institution because it had that whole rugged individualism that Marxists hate the most.
[00:16:57]  And they came after the, again, the Southern monuments, Southern icons, specifically the Lee monuments.
[00:17:03]  So most of us showed up there for that purpose.
[00:17:05]  And of course, to listen to our leader at the time, I was a member of the League of the South in Florida.
[00:17:09]  We had Dr. Hill scheduled to speak.
[00:17:12]  Dr. Hill, of course, is a great order, the man who has actually led Southern nationalism for decades now, gave his whole life to it.
[00:17:20]  And that was it.
[00:17:21]  And had we not been attacked, we'd been able to walk into the park and walk out of the park.
[00:17:26]  Hell, we could have been dressed like 13th century French knights.
[00:17:29]  And it wouldn't have mattered because, bottom line, we had a right to go to a park.
[00:17:34]  We had the license to do so, and we were attacked.
[00:17:38]  We were assaulted.
[00:17:38]  So much of what you see, the violence you see, was not planned out by our side.
[00:17:43]  It was mostly the sincere participants who ended up being attacked viciously by communists.
[00:17:48]  Well, it was spun that way, but I think you were the guys that were attacked.
[00:17:52]  Have you got any ideas who Agent F 37 might be?
[00:17:56]  So everybody's been playing, you know, name that tune.
[00:18:00]  I don't know if that was Wink Martin.
[00:18:01]  Show or what, but everybody's been playing name that mole in our ranks.
[00:18:06]  But well, you know, we've all been speculating, and there's been a lot of names, Brandy to bat.
[00:18:17]  I don't know if I've seen the same name twice.
[00:18:19]  That shows you how wide the net's being cast.
[00:18:21]  But hopefully, we'll find that out.
[00:18:23]  Now, Rich Hamblin says hello to you tonight, Padrig, and he brings out a couple of things.
[00:18:28]  He says he's concerned that the SBLC will settle this.
[00:18:32]  Settling means no trial, thus, no discovery.
[00:18:35]  Thus, we will not find out who the mole is.
[00:18:37]  And no new evidence for Glenn Allen's lawsuit.
[00:18:40]  And no new evidence introduced, as Rich says.
[00:18:43]  But, okay, so let's just.
[00:18:46]  Oh, and by the way, speaking of Charlottesville, he writes that Lee's army kept the Yankees from burning Charlottesville, hence the statue.
[00:18:54]  Very interesting.
[00:18:55]  Go, Patrick.
[00:18:57]  Yeah, I mean, in the park as well, named after him.
[00:19:00]  You know, I think with regard to SPLC, I read the indictment, but unfortunately, I think the SPLC is going to get it tossed out of court just the way it was very hastily written.
[00:19:10]  I don't really know who was behind it, who decided to write it.
[00:19:14]  My personal opinion is, and I hate to hear this, but it's a fact.
[00:19:18]  That they can say that within their overall functions, the payment of information from informants would assist their calls, the SPLC calls, and therefore was within their rights.
[00:19:28]  These are currently being charged with fraud.
[00:19:30]  Patrick, I just got to ask you.
[00:19:31]  I mean, this is the thing, and I believe this issue stems from how they set up the payments and the bank accounts.
[00:19:36]  It reads as though the payments were fraudulent and legal because of how they were hiding what they were for and who was being paid.
[00:19:41]  But again, as I said with Keith at the top of the show tonight, the SPLC was never an official law enforcement entity.
[00:19:47]  They're not a government agency.
[00:19:49]  They were basically, as we said, Just a radical left wing communist fundraising scheme, and they destroyed the lives of people who disagreed with their worldview.
[00:19:58]  But I mean, as private citizens and as a charity, can they act as if they were the FBI who can engage in this behavior and has always done so?
[00:20:06]  I mean, is that where the illegality comes from?
[00:20:10]  If there was a fair judge in this, and I'm not sure, I don't know what type of venue the middle district of Alabama is.
[00:20:16]  That's where the black belt is, and you have a judge with the last name of Marks.
[00:20:23]  So, consequently, I don't know what's going to happen in this thing.
[00:20:28]  But, you know, I would hope that the judge would at least let them go through discovery to see if they can flesh out these.
[00:20:35]  You know, a federal lawsuit is going to be conclusory.
[00:20:39]  It's not going to have, you know, specific evidence and witnesses and everything listed in it.
[00:20:46]  And I think they ought to be given an opportunity to develop that.
[00:20:50]  All right.
[00:20:50]  So, I mean, again, so in our previous segment, Glenn Allen says, yes, I mean, this is an accomplishment.
[00:20:56]  Attorney.
[00:20:56]  Yes, he thinks that the SPLC is going to pay a price.
[00:20:59]  You say no, and I think we'll have continued diversity as we continue to talk to people.
[00:21:03]  Augustus Invictus next, and Sam Dixon after that, all attorneys.
[00:21:09]  We'll see what they say.
[00:21:10]  But there is a diversity of opinion on this.
[00:21:12]  A lot of people are saying what you say, Patrick, that the SPLC is going to get this tossed.
[00:21:16]  Glenn Allen says, I don't think so.
[00:21:18]  We'll see.
[00:21:19]  But the final word is to you with three or four minutes remaining.
[00:21:22]  So much to cover.
[00:21:23]  Just one segment tonight.
[00:21:24]  It's an ensemble cast.
[00:21:26]  So thank you for this cameo, but keep going.
[00:21:29]  Yeah, I think the, if I was going to add for the last few minutes, is that I had the misfortune of being arrested at Charlottesville, and I sat alongside James Fields.
[00:21:41]  Now, at the time, I did not know who he was because I was right next to him.
[00:21:45]  And I had no idea who he was because I was in custody.
[00:21:50]  So I just happened to watch as the police railroad him.
[00:21:55]  I watched him put words in his mouth.
[00:21:57]  I thought he was a kid, like a preppy kid.
[00:21:59]  Who had gotten a DUI?
[00:22:00]  His face looked very flush.
[00:22:02]  It sort of looked zombie ish out of it.
[00:22:05]  His hair was disheveled and so forth.
[00:22:06]  He had a white polo on.
[00:22:08]  I'm sure just about everybody would have that reaction if they had undergone what he did.
[00:22:14]  Oh, yeah.
[00:22:15]  And he sat there, and I watched as an officer walk out and say, Well, you really said that you pressed the gas gear?
[00:22:21]  And he kind of nodded his head and he said, Okay, so yes, this paperwork.
[00:22:27]  Patrick, pardon the interruption.
[00:22:29]  As long as you and I have been friends and colleagues, I've never heard this story before.
[00:22:34]  You were right there in that moment?
[00:22:36]  That's incredible.
[00:22:37]  Yes, sir.
[00:22:38]  They can pressure people, weak people like James, into admitting to anything just to stop the torment.
[00:22:44]  So, I mean, listen, keep going.
[00:22:48]  Yeah, we went from so there was a local, like a police station, right?
[00:22:52]  Yeah, a big state trooper type station underground where there was the parking lot and there was the courthouse.
[00:22:59]  Well, they took me over because I thought I was going to go inside.
[00:23:03]  Now, I. Happened to own a house in Virginia at the time.
[00:23:05]  The only reason I was allowed to walk away was I had to put my house up as my collateral.
[00:23:10]  So I was able to go on my residence with my house as my collateral.
[00:23:14]  But had I not owned that house, I'd have been inside that whole weekend.
[00:23:18]  And I sat there with him.
[00:23:20]  We happened to be arrested about the same time.
[00:23:21]  I was moved over to this one area, the Arbor Mall jail.
[00:23:29]  And we were waiting for the arraignment to come in.
[00:23:31]  There was a temporary magistrate.
[00:23:34]  In another room.
[00:23:35]  And he and I just sat next to each other.
[00:23:37]  And of course, the state trooper said, Don't talk, don't communicate with each other.
[00:23:42]  But I watched it, the whole thing happened.
[00:23:43]  And I cover a little bit in my book, Walk in the Park.
[00:23:46]  I tried to, you know, because I really think he got railroaded in so many ways.
[00:23:51]  It's such a travesty, justice in every which way.
[00:23:54]  But again, I then watched him go inside.
[00:23:56]  They went, the magistrate did whatever they had to do.
[00:23:58]  And then he went right behind metal doors and kind of disappeared into the system.
[00:24:05]  And then I was pulled in next.
[00:24:07]  So I was right behind him as far as the magistrate is concerned.
[00:24:10]  Put a story tonight.
[00:24:11]  Put a story tonight on the show.
[00:24:12]  Yeah, and I think he, I really, honest to God, I think he got real in the worst, not just the worst way through the trial and so forth.
[00:24:20]  I really do think he was reacting to a crowd attacking him.
[00:24:25]  He was in a weird way.
[00:24:26]  He was calling the headlines.
[00:24:28]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:24:29]  I hear the music.
[00:24:30]  Oh, my God.
[00:24:31]  I hear the music.
[00:24:31]  I mean, as I said, I mean, this is the Millennial Wolves says James Fields is rotting in prison for 400 years while MAGA.
[00:24:38]  Aught like cowards who had much less conviction than him laugh and claim he was a Fed all along.
[00:24:43]  They were utterly contemptible.
[00:24:44]  Thank God for men, men like Patrick Martin.
[00:24:48]  Patrick, thank you.
[00:24:49]  God bless you.
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=== Defamation And Legal Reckoning (14:45) ===

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[00:29:00]  I've met a lot of great people throughout TPC's 20 year run, and one of the very first was Michael Gaddy.
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[00:29:15]  Let me ask you something.
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[00:30:07]  Joining us now is Augustus Invictus.
[00:30:09]  He's a Florida based political activist and former attorney, a graduate of the University of South Florida and DePaul University College of Law.
[00:30:19]  He gained national prominence in 2016 while campaigning for the United States Senate in Florida and has since become a leading voice of the dissident far right.
[00:30:30]  August 12, 2017, he was scheduled to be a headline speaker at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
[00:30:39]  The night prior, he participated in a torch lit march on the University of Virginia campus protesting the removal of Confederate statues and the replacement of white Americans, an event that later led to his 2025, do the math, eight years later, conviction in Virginia on the felony charge of burning an object with the intent to intimidate.
[00:31:01]  That was a statute never used before.
[00:31:03]  They're talking about a tiki torch you can get at Walmart for $4.
[00:31:08]  As a direct consequence of that felony conviction, Under Florida bar rules, Invictus was suspended from the practice of law in Florida in late 2025, giving him the freedom to focus on political work.
[00:31:22]  Tonight, he is with us for just one segment, although he could have filled an entire hour.
[00:31:27]  He's going to discuss the events of Charlottesville, the broader implications for free speech, and the weaponization of the legal system against political dissidents.
[00:31:37]  Lawfare.
[00:31:39]  Lawfare.
[00:31:39]  So, Augustus, Great to have you back on.
[00:31:43]  It's so good to talk to you again.
[00:31:45]  This special panel to discuss the indictment of the SPLC by the DOJ, you've been very vocal about it on your social media.
[00:31:54]  Take it in any direction you want.
[00:31:55]  The time is yours.
[00:31:57]  Man, where to begin?
[00:31:58]  Well, thanks for having me, first of all.
[00:32:00]  It's always a pleasure to talk to you guys.
[00:32:01]  It's been a while, too.
[00:32:04]  I guess the direction I'd take it is pointing out, you know, unlike Mr. Allen, I was there, you know, on the political side of things, I was there at the rally.
[00:32:14]  And unlike Mr. Kessler and Mr. Martin, I have also done the legal side of things.
[00:32:19]  I was involved in the Rise Above Movement cases.
[00:32:21]  That's how I actually reactivated my license just to work on that.
[00:32:26]  I offered to help with James Fields' case.
[00:32:28]  They didn't want my help.
[00:32:29]  And that's how that turned out.
[00:32:32]  I represented several people just being involved with him.
[00:32:35]  And then I became a defendant, too.
[00:32:37]  So I have every single level you could imagine.
[00:32:41]  I was sued in the civil case, they never served me.
[00:32:45]  But I was still a named defendant in that.
[00:32:47]  But everything involving Charlottesville, somehow I've been roped into against my will here.
[00:32:54]  So I guess all I have to add to any of it, I don't know.
[00:32:59]  I mean, Mr. Allen is an erudite lawyer.
[00:33:02]  He's the one that sponsored me, actually, for admission to the U.S. Supreme Court.
[00:33:08]  You know, I don't know what I could add besides, I guess, my personal experience there and to say, you know, For a fact, that nothing the government is saying right now is legit.
[00:33:21]  Like the way I always liken it is this if Martin Luther King were walking through Birmingham, Alabama, right?
[00:33:28]  And six years later, you know, the KKK was protesting that event.
[00:33:32]  Six years later, the KKK took over the local prosecutor's office and started dragging them all back to Birmingham, Alabama, charging them with some crime.
[00:33:41]  Like, no one would stand for it.
[00:33:43]  No one would tolerate that.
[00:33:44]  That would, white or black, like, that is a clear injustice.
[00:33:48]  No one would take it.
[00:33:49]  But that's exactly what happened in Charlottesville.
[00:33:51]  And then, you know, years after everybody's, you know, dragged through the mud and gone through criminal trials and had their lives ruined, then the Justice Department comes out with the final insult.
[00:34:02]  Saying that actually none of it was real.
[00:34:05]  These people were paid actors, paid by the SPLC, the very SPLC who was destroying our lives at the time and thereafter.
[00:34:14]  I was actually blacklisted by the Orange County Bar Association because of an SPLC hit piece.
[00:34:20]  They cited the SPLC hit piece in the letter that they used to ban me from the Orange County Bar Association.
[00:34:28]  So, you know, there's no payment.
[00:34:31]  Has the statute of limitations run on that?
[00:34:35]  Unfortunately, Yes.
[00:34:37]  Anything having to do with defamation, if it's in Florida, you only get a couple years.
[00:34:42]  And it's been so long that the question is how is the federal government charging the SPLC with anything after so long?
[00:34:52]  I mean, they must have found some kind of loophole in the statute of limitations.
[00:34:55]  I don't know.
[00:34:57]  I haven't looked into that part of it yet.
[00:35:00]  But as far as me suing it, yeah, my wife has asked me the same thing.
[00:35:03]  Why can't you sue the SPLC with all this new information coming out?
[00:35:07]  And I just.
[00:35:08]  Defamation is a hard thing to do when it's so far down the road.
[00:35:13]  Hey, you ain't can.
[00:35:13]  I had a slam dunk case with one of the greatest, you know, we're talking to some great attorneys tonight.
[00:35:20]  You are the attorney for the damned.
[00:35:22]  And, you know, Sam Dixon's coming up next.
[00:35:25]  Glenn Allen.
[00:35:27]  I had Kyle Bristow in my defamation case against the Detroit News.
[00:35:32]  I know.
[00:35:34]  I remember talking.
[00:35:35]  Actually, just as you.
[00:35:37]  What James is coming up.
[00:35:40]  He knows.
[00:35:41]  What it shows and what I was going to say is.
[00:35:43]  The poor quality of the people sitting on the bench nowadays.
[00:35:48]  Well, anyway, I mean, August, I remember talking to you when that case was decided.
[00:35:52]  I remember being in the studio talking to you so many years ago on that particular topic.
[00:35:59]  But anyway, that's a digression.
[00:36:00]  I don't want to, you know, that's not important to me.
[00:36:03]  I actually talk about that case all the time.
[00:36:05]  All the time.
[00:36:06]  When I tell people how corrupt appellate courts are and how bad judges are and how they're just people in robes that are just normal people that.
[00:36:14]  Think wrong and can't reason or use logic.
[00:36:18]  I talk about your case all the time.
[00:36:20]  And so does Kyle, who is still very successful in Michigan.
[00:36:24]  That was the one blemish on his record, but that was a slam dunk libel case.
[00:36:29]  I mean, it was the literal example of the division in the restatement of toys.
[00:36:36]  So, anyway, but there are ghosts.
[00:36:37]  But also, you're going to be accused of being an SPLC agent now, now that you've had all of us on.
[00:36:43]  Well, you know, I remember talking to you right after that case was.
[00:36:46]  Decided, I'll never forget.
[00:36:47]  If we are, give us $270,000.
[00:36:50]  I could sure use the money.
[00:36:52]  I have said all of us deserve a commission for the amount of money they've raised on us, even if they couldn't turn us when they still deserve a commission.
[00:37:00]  Yeah, let's get our beach wet here.
[00:37:02]  Just a taste.
[00:37:03]  Just a taste.
[00:37:05]  All right.
[00:37:05]  Well, anyway, I didn't mean to digress into that, but nevertheless, let's refocus.
[00:37:11]  So I appreciate you again, Augustus, for coming on tonight.
[00:37:16]  And your expertise, having been there, having been on both sides of this as a defendant, as an attorney, as everything, give us a parting shot here with a couple of minutes to go.
[00:37:30]  Yeah, I think what I'm struggling with, and I think the open question right now is why is this happening?
[00:37:37]  Who in the White House put this down the chain of command?
[00:37:40]  Who made the Justice Department do this?
[00:37:43]  Why is the FBI talking about this?
[00:37:45]  Why is the entire alt light?
[00:37:48]  Con Inc. section of the MAGA movement, the pro Israel people, why are they all trying to push this line that Unite the Right was an SPLC psyop?
[00:37:59]  You know, it came down to the.
[00:38:01]  Let me tell you, if the SPLC was the B'nai Brith Southern Poverty Law Center, I don't think they would be prosecuting.
[00:38:10]  That's right.
[00:38:11]  That's right.
[00:38:12]  So the Iran war, it doesn't seem coincidental to me that the far right has turned on the White House.
[00:38:19]  Since the White House betrayed us all, which the false campaign promises, we're in the exact war that we were supposed to be stopping with the last election.
[00:38:28]  And I think somebody higher up there has caused this to happen because the white nationalists now have to be gotten rid of.
[00:38:37]  So why not just say there's no such thing as white nationalists, or even better, they're actually all paid leftist agitators?
[00:38:44]  There's no real Nazis out there, no real fascists, no real Southern.
[00:38:49]  Heritage movement.
[00:38:50]  No one actually cares about the statue.
[00:38:52]  It's all made up by the SPLC.
[00:38:55]  The ultimate insult after everything we've been through.
[00:39:00]  That's exactly right.
[00:39:01]  And that is why, I mean, another reason why we wanted to do this show tonight.
[00:39:05]  I mean, obviously we had to.
[00:39:06]  I mean, circumstances thrust themselves upon us.
[00:39:10]  So we had a totally different show planned a week ago for tonight as we were wrapping up Confederate History Month and all of this.
[00:39:18]  But, you know, this thing and Charlottesville and the fact.
[00:39:22]  That all of, as we have mentioned a couple of times previously tonight, and as you have just mentioned, that Conservative Incorporated is basically saying that any form of non kosher sanctioned pro white activism is being astroturfed by the SPLC.
[00:39:41]  That is as offensive as anything Morris Dees could have ever done.
[00:39:47]  Augustus, your final word.
[00:39:48]  Absolutely.
[00:39:49]  Absolutely.
[00:39:50]  They show in this moment that they are just the same enemy as the left.
[00:39:56]  They work hand in glove.
[00:39:58]  These people have been working with the SPLC for decades, for decades, cozying up to them, you know, pushing like Jack Prasobiak, pushing a Heather Hire legal fund, you know, saying, and now they are the ones saying that this whole thing was a psyop.
[00:40:14]  It's disgusting.
[00:40:15]  So they're.
[00:40:16]  Do you think it could have something to do with the fact there's been a change in the leadership of the SPLC?
[00:40:22]  They made, first of all, they made Morris Dees walk the plank, then they made Heather Hire.
[00:40:28]  Heidi Byrick and Mark Potock walk the plank.
[00:40:33]  And then it looks like a different group is there, and maybe that different group doesn't have the same panache and Teflon.
[00:40:40]  Doesn't have the same pull, doesn't have the same contacts, doesn't have the same, yeah, all that.
[00:40:46]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:40:47]  Maybe they're not as useful to the federal government as they used to be.
[00:40:50]  That's what they have.
[00:40:51]  Maybe put out the password.
[00:40:53]  Go to our website, go to our Twitter, which we've just reinstated, and we're starting from scratch.
[00:40:58]  But nevertheless, link over to Augustus Addictus.
[00:41:00]  He's got great.
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[00:42:02]  Why don't we say to the government writ large?
[00:42:05]  That they have to spend a little bit less.
[00:42:07]  Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last?
[00:42:11]  Anybody better have a 1% pay cut?
[00:42:13]  You deal with it.
[00:42:14]  That's what government needs a 1% pay cut.
[00:42:17]  If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
[00:42:24]  But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
[00:42:27]  Who are they?
[00:42:29]  Republicans.
[00:42:29]  Who are they?
[00:42:30]  Democrats.
[00:42:31]  Who are they?
[00:42:32]  Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money.
[00:42:37]  So, the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere.
[00:42:40]  The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning.
[00:42:44]  What's the day of reckoning?
[00:42:45]  The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
[00:42:49]  The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
[00:42:51]  When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
[00:43:14]  We'll try him again.
[00:43:15]  He's ready.
[00:43:16]  We're going to go to Sam Dixon now, and I just talked to him after we missed him prior to, so we're going to get Liz to call him again.

=== SPLC Bribery Exposed (11:21) ===

[00:43:25]  Great show tonight.
[00:43:27]  We are live, we are unrehearsed, and uncensored.
[00:43:30]  I think one of the best shows we ever did was on August the 12th, 2017.
[00:43:36]  We were live, unrehearsed, uncensored, as I just said, from the United Right.
[00:43:40]  Keith and I were here in the studio.
[00:43:42]  Eddie the Bombardier Miller was there.
[00:43:45]  Live in every segment, every guest was live from the scene that night in Charlottesville.
[00:43:52]  But I am hearing from people listening to the show right now saying this is the best show we've ever done.
[00:43:59]  That is saying something after all these years.
[00:44:01]  Sam Dixon is with us now as we continue this parade of accomplished and esteemed contributors to this panel on the DOJ's recent indictment against the SBLC.
[00:44:14]  It's occurred since last week's show.
[00:44:16]  It's very new as Charlottesville.
[00:44:18]  Is uniquely attendant to that.
[00:44:21]  Once again, reading from Greg Johnson, he writes These payments went beyond simply paying informants to collect information, which is what the SBLC's donors were supporting them to do.
[00:44:32]  Instead, it is alleged that the SBLC was shaping the messaging of these groups and helping them to organize events with the SBLC, would then decry as hate and use as a basis to rush back to their donors to raise more funds.
[00:44:46]  As Sam Dixon knows, and as Augustus Invictus and I were just Discussing, you know, the law in court these days is pretty irrelevant.
[00:44:54]  What is and isn't legal comes down to whatever a particular judge decides on that particular day.
[00:45:01]  And we usually do not receive favorable verdicts in cases like this.
[00:45:06]  Sam, welcome back to the show.
[00:45:08]  It's a cameo appearance, it's an ensemble show.
[00:45:12]  But I couldn't do this one without you, my friend.
[00:45:14]  I appreciate you coming on.
[00:45:15]  Glenn Allen says, Yes, give us your hot take.
[00:45:18]  Yeah, we got to get the hot take.
[00:45:19]  Glenn Allen says, Yes, the SBLC he thinks is going to be punished.
[00:45:23]  Patrick Martin says, no way.
[00:45:25]  Where do you land on this one?
[00:45:28]  I don't think it will go anywhere.
[00:45:30]  I agree with you that the judges and the rest of the system will protect the SPLC.
[00:45:38]  I can't imagine that we'll ever learn the names of the informants, which I agree with Greg Johnson.
[00:45:42]  I certainly would like to know who the informants are.
[00:45:46]  But the chances are very likely that, as with the prosecution of Comey by the federal government and with the indictment of some 61 Antifa's in Atlanta for.
[00:45:59]  Committing $20 million worth of arson against the police training facility and bombing four separate police cars on separate occasions with homemade handheld bombs, they'll contrive a way to dismiss the indictments.
[00:46:17]  But that doesn't change the fact that it's of use to us to have them attacked by the government, and I would like to see it go as far as possible.
[00:46:28]  I don't think that there's any truth to the The spin put on it in the indictment, which has been picked up on by the moderate normie conservatives, that the SPLC was financing the hate that it pretended to oppose.
[00:46:48]  I think the money was used for the purpose of destroying individuals and organizations and getting information.
[00:46:56]  I don't really think, I think that they planted a lot of these things the way the FBI has planted a lot of things.
[00:47:02]  And there have been many instances in which.
[00:47:06]  The SBC has been having some informant working for them, is planning violent statements and that kind of thing.
[00:47:16]  We know that happened, and there was an incident in Georgia where people affiliated with the League of the South were picketing a local government about the indulgence being shown to illegal aliens.
[00:47:28]  And the SPLC ran a report that the N-word and talks of violence were heard among the participants by their investigative journalists.
[00:47:40]  And by mistake, when they first put up the report, they included a picture of the journalist and his name, and it was a truthful statement.
[00:47:49]  The N word was used by someone there, and there was such talk, and it came to the lips of the SPLC's investigative journalists.
[00:47:58]  So, you know, this is obviously the anti defamation make has done this for generations.
[00:48:05]  The communist groups, the so called anti fascist groups that flourished under Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt's benevolent gaze.
[00:48:15]  They did this kind of thing.
[00:48:17]  But I. What type of venue is the middle district of Alabama, Sam?
[00:48:25]  Do you have any insights on that?
[00:48:28]  No, I don't know.
[00:48:29]  But I imagine that many of the judges have been appointed by people like Bill Clinton and Obama.
[00:48:35]  This judge is named Clark.
[00:48:38]  And this is where the black belt of Alabama is.
[00:48:41]  This was actually a Trump appointee in his first term, I do believe.
[00:48:44]  But I would ask you this, Sam.
[00:48:46]  This is.
[00:48:47]  You know, again, as a layman, we've had a lot of attorneys on tonight Augustus Evictus, Glenn Allen, Keith Yu.
[00:48:55]  But can private citizens, I mean, this is a charity, can private citizens running a 501c3 legally pay informants to infiltrate organizations?
[00:49:03]  I mean, you know, could I or you?
[00:49:05]  I mean, wouldn't the FBI just handle that as they have always done?
[00:49:09]  You know, is that a part of any of this?
[00:49:10]  Is that illegal?
[00:49:13]  It may be illegal.
[00:49:15]  The government creates gobs and gobs of crimes.
[00:49:18]  And when it comes to criminal prosecutions, they'll take one incident and have 10 or 12 counts.
[00:49:26]  Keith and I have seen that as a lawyer.
[00:49:29]  It'll be one incident, but it'll be 12 counts of conspiracy to commit the crime, committing the crime, opposing.
[00:49:40]  There'll just be gobs of these things.
[00:49:42]  And that way they can get the jury if they've got a weak.
[00:49:45]  Case and a lot of jurors think that the defendant is innocent, they can get the jury to compromise and convict the guy on several counts.
[00:49:53]  And of course, that way his life is still ruined and he'll go to jail for a long time.
[00:49:59]  So that kind of happens.
[00:50:03]  And they constantly create crimes.
[00:50:07]  The regulatory bodies will create scenarios.
[00:50:11]  That's what I was telling James.
[00:50:12]  I said that they probably created a lot of these crimes just to try to catch people like.
[00:50:20]  And whatnot, and now it's being turned against them.
[00:50:23]  But, you know, I don't think it'd be a very hard, high threshold to meet that, you know, they were, you know, wire transferring money with shell, false, phony companies and whatnot.
[00:50:37]  That's what seven of the 11 counts talk about.
[00:50:43]  We already had Glenn Allen on tonight.
[00:50:46]  Yeah, we did.
[00:50:47]  Yeah, Glenn was on at the top of this hour.
[00:50:48]  Oh, yeah.
[00:50:49]  And he's probably.
[00:50:52]  He probably covered this, but in the case of Glenn Allen, we know the SPLC bribed somebody in the National Alliance to download all of their paperwork on anybody that had ever been affiliated with him and give it to the SPLC for the purpose of wrecking these people's lives.
[00:51:10]  And Heidi Byrish and the Southern Poverty Law Center used this to try to destroy Glenn's legal career.
[00:51:17]  And Glenn is a brilliant lawyer, a very respected lawyer with an AV.
[00:51:23]  Plus rating by Martindale Hubble, which is the highest rating you can get.
[00:51:27]  But, you know, and when he sued them over this, it's my understanding, they denied they did it, and the federal court basically shut the whole thing down before there could be any discovery.
[00:51:37]  And that raises other questions.
[00:51:42]  Can these.
[00:51:42]  It's not the quality of the judiciary nowadays.
[00:51:45]  Well, it's very low.
[00:51:46]  But the questions it raises is can these actions and false denials, if the SGODC did that, Can these be used to reopen these cases in the matter of?
[00:52:01]  He touched on that.
[00:52:02]  He did touch on that.
[00:52:03]  Keep going.
[00:52:05]  Yeah.
[00:52:05]  In the Metal of Charlottesville, they had someone placed among the planners, and my guess is that's going to be the person who made sort of allusions to violence.
[00:52:16]  And unfortunately, under these RICO laws, you can now, if you're just around people doing that, they can contrive a way to say you were part of a conspiracy.
[00:52:27]  And they did that, I know, in the.
[00:52:30]  In the Charlottesville case, that you listened to someone, you took part in a chat forum online where somebody else said this, you know, things like that.
[00:52:42]  So, I think that you were listening to is probably Southern Poverty Law Center informant, maybe F 36.
[00:52:49]  Yeah, and this is a lesson that people need to learn: that you simply, most of us are polite people.
[00:52:57]  We're well-mannered people.
[00:52:58]  We're southerners.
[00:52:59]  We're Christians.
[00:53:00]  We don't want to hurt people's feelings.
[00:53:02]  And we're indulgent with people who make the noises about race and other issues that we have.
[00:53:08]  But you really can't afford that.
[00:53:10]  This is serious business.
[00:53:11]  And if somebody comes around talking about violence, the only two.
[00:53:15]  The only two things you can delude.
[00:53:17]  Either he is a loose cannon on deck, in which case you want to get rid of him and get as far away from him as possible, or he's a plant for the FBI or the Southern Poverty Law Center or the Anti Defamation League or one of these other groups who's trying to entrap you and you need to get away from him and get him out of the group.
[00:53:37]  And so you really should be very, very harsh with that.
[00:53:41]  No nice talk, just get the hell out.
[00:53:44]  It's like what Carolyn Lamb said about her boyfriend, Lord Byron, they're mad.
[00:53:49]  Bad and dangerous?
[00:53:50]  No.
[00:53:52]  I'm looking at the clock.
[00:53:55]  Sam, the music's beginning to play.
[00:53:56]  I mean, this is what we were made to do.
[00:53:59]  Shows like this with contacts like this.
[00:54:01]  I mean, certainly the plug and play tonight has never been more strong.
[00:54:06]  People like Sam, Glenn Allen, Augustus Invictus, Jason Kessler talking about this story.
[00:54:10]  Patrick Martin, he wrote the book, A Walk in the Park, My Charlottesville Story.
[00:54:14]  Sam, 10 seconds remain.
[00:54:15]  We'll continue to cover this, but final word to you.
[00:54:17]  We've got about 10 seconds.
[00:54:20]  Well, I'm glad it's happened.
[00:54:22]  I hope it goes somewhere.
[00:54:23]  Even if it doesn't, I'm glad it happened.
[00:54:26]  Well, we can all agree on that.
[00:54:30]  Michael Hill is up next to close us out this third hour.
[00:54:32]  He was a member of that civil trial, he was one of the defendants there.
[00:54:37]  A lot of skin in the game.
[00:54:39]  We'll look forward to him closing this panel discussion.
[00:54:42]  The eye of the hurricane.
[00:54:44]  Thank you, Sam Dixon.
[00:54:45]  We'll be right back, third hour.
[00:54:46]  Thank you.