April 26, 2026 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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James Edwards and Jason Kessler dissect the DOJ's fraud indictment against the SPLC, detailing $1 million paid to National Alliance affiliates and $270,000 to Unite the Right leader F37. Kessler clarifies the payment was a salary, not rally funding, while noting the trial in Alabama offers a rare home-state prosecution for the left-wing group. Edwards praises Trump's domestic victories over immigration, contrasting them with foreign policy concerns, and highlights how exposing SPLC informants like Michael Chesney could reshape the Science v. Kessler civil lawsuit regarding Charlottesville's origins. Ultimately, the segment frames these legal battles as crucial domestic wins for white Southerners against federal overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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Taking Our Own Side00:13:07
You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is The Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome, everybody, to tonight's live broadcast of TPC.
I'm your host, James Edwards, this Saturday evening, April the 25th.
In a bombshell development, the Department of Justice has announced that a federal grand jury in Alabama has charged the Southern Poverty Law Center.
With multiple counts of wire and bank fraud related charges.
Yours truly and Keith Alexander are going to set the stage on this story this hour before Jason Kessler, the Unite the Right organizer and author of Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech, joins us later this hour to share his reaction.
We will then, in the second hour, host a panel discussion on the SPLC indictment featuring the following contributors Glenn Allen, President and Chief Legal Officer of the Free Expression Foundation, Sam Dixon, Augustus Invictus, founder of the Invictus Law Firm, and Patrick Martin, author of A Walk in the Park My Charlottesville Story.
But that's not all.
In the third hour, Dr. Michael Hill, former president of the League of the South, current president of the Southern Nationalist League, will also weigh in on the DOJ's case against the SPLC before putting the finishing touches on our Confederate History Month series.
All of the contributors tonight have big time skin in the game when it comes to the SPLC andor Charlottesville or both.
Let's get to my hot takes.
This is good news.
It's absolutely good news.
Everybody that I have met in life has either called or texted or emailed me this week.
That's how big this story is.
The SBLT has attacked and libeled and slandered and maligned the work of this program for over 20 years, nearly 100 different articles on its website, in the media, by calling our sponsors, by calling my church, by doing everything they could, calling our station manager, calling our station owner.
So, yes, I am glad this has happened.
I hope they are financially destroyed and that they go to prison.
That's what I hope.
I have been at war with them my entire adult life.
Greg Johnson, in a very good piece at Countercurrents, writes When I heard about the indictment, I uncorked some cheap champagne and kicked back to watch the internet go crazy.
It's an unmitigated boon, he says.
The SPLC, one of the banes of our existence, will be weakened by this.
It may even be destroyed.
Greg Johnson will be on with us next week to talk about this story.
Of course, all of this would have been much more helpful 20 years ago when an attack by the SPLC was almost inevitably ruinous.
They were feared and they were effective.
Now they're more of a farce.
They're kind of a joke.
In order to keep the grift going, they've expanded their so called hate group listing to include even the most nominally conservative groups.
Today, people actively solicit their denunciation because you have no street credibility without it.
I want them to suffer and be destroyed legally and financially because they deserve it.
But this is taking out a lion in winter as opposed to neutering them decades ago when they were still virile.
Still, yes, I'm happy.
Now, a lot of the key figures are gone.
Everybody's talking about this, but most people haven't had the kind of relationship with the SPLC as we and our fellow contributors tonight have.
I mean, we have known them up close and personal at their very worst.
And a lot of the key figures are gone now.
Morris Dees, Heidi Byrick, Mark Potock, they're all gone.
They've been replaced by blacks and soy goys, and the head is an Asian woman now.
I mean, these aren't the people that I have sparred with.
I mean, who are these people?
These aren't the championship level opponents that I. You know, was battling, and some have theorized that now the SPLC has taken on the free Palestine mantra that the powers that be are prepared to liquidate them, and that could be.
There could be something to that.
Some have also said that Trump is using this as a diversion from Iran.
Well, if that was the case, it has certainly worked because the entire pro white social media landscape is talking about nothing but this.
I have never seen a single story in my career captivate everyone in our circles so fast and so unanimously.
It is the talk of the town right now, and for good reason.
It is, as I said, a bombshell.
But interestingly, this investigation wasn't.
Up recently.
It began years ago when Biden was president, and then the Biden administration canceled it.
Trump brought it back.
So that's an interesting timeline.
Also, some are saying that this will be like Minneapolis and mass deportations in Greenland and a lot of other things that this administration has talked about, caused a lot of buzz, but then fizzled.
Now, that's also very possible.
And the SPLC is slippery in court, believe me.
So we'll see what happens.
But the big thing that has gotten everyone so hot and bothered are the alleged informants.
I would certainly like to know who in the National Alliance got paid a million dollars during this period in question, which was 2014 to 2023.
The National Alliance had, you know, William Pierce had died a long time prior to that.
And, you know, so that's interesting.
And, Jess, you know, we certainly all deserve a commission check for the amount of money the SPLC has raised off us, but obviously paying informants and getting information is different.
Some of this adds up, though.
I recall getting an email from Heidi Byrick around 2015.
Now, during the mid 2000s through the early 2000s, 2010s and even beyond, the SPLC would routinely email me for comment.
I never replied.
But in this instance, she said, you know, we found your name on our National Alliance membership list, and she wanted to give me the chance to comment before the story came out.
I didn't care.
I didn't respond.
But he did go after Glenn Allen, and he's going to be on.
He was a prominent attorney for the city of Baltimore, Maryland at the time.
Glenn had worked for some of the most prominent law firms in the country, and he's going to be on to talk about that.
That's why you're tuning into TPC tonight.
You know, we know the players.
We have the history.
And I like all the people with live streams and social media accounts weighing in on this.
We've got people with firsthand knowledge tonight.
But again, the amounts, I'm going to make this quick.
I'm going to turn over the entire second segment to Keith.
Then we're going to merge and talk with our guest.
A million dollars to a National Alliance affiliate, $300,000 to an Aryan Nations affiliate, the big one, $270,000 to what they called a Unite the Right leader.
Okay?
We'll be talking about that a lot more as the show goes on.
$140,000 to a former National Alliance chairman, which was a Former National Alliance chairman, that's a pretty short list, right?
73,000 to so called KKK members, 19,000 to the American Front president.
I don't even know who that is.
Who is F 37?
That's the name of the game.
That is what they are calling this person who was a so called leader in the Unite the Right planning.
He attended Unite the Right at the direction of the SPLC and made, quote, racist posts under their supervision.
I can just see some SPLC interns standing over the shoulder of this person as they make so called racist tweets.
I mean, what's going on?
But as Mark Weber said in an email this week, because the SPLC malls are not government agents, we trust that their names and more will likely be made public.
Here's what I don't like, and I got to make This quick because I don't want to take any of Keith's time in the next segment.
I don't like that the DOJ is using the same terms as the SPLC itself white supremacist and extremist to define some of these people.
They're cucking a little bit there.
And the alt light and the maggotier conservative response has been abhorrent.
Charlottesville was not staged or orchestrated by the SPLC.
We know all the guys that were involved.
Now, because the SPLC had an informant in the mix, that means nothing.
And these conservative incorporated types are saying that Charlottesville and Patriot Front and every other authentic Organized expression of white identity and activism that isn't kosher approved is now funded by the SPLC.
These people are utterly contemptible.
And it's all over the place right now on social media.
I swear to you, I have more respect in some ways, hear me now and understand me, in some ways for someone like Morris Dees than I do these people.
Give me a cutthroat partisan that hates me and passionately wants to destroy Western civilization than these ignorant, milquetoast, kosher conservatives.
Spew the lukewarm from my mouth.
I'm not saying that I might not have more in common with these people than Potok and Byrick.
I do.
But in terms of war, I respect a committed enemy more than these people.
I do.
That said, there can be no mercy.
If we ever get our enemies on their heels, there cannot be any mercy or forgiveness.
Not ever.
But yes, the Outlight and the MAGA tear influencers do disgust me.
So many examples out there of this.
Joe Biden ran for president because of Charlottesville.
The rally was funded by the SPLC.
Joe Biden ran to stop racism that was funded by leftists.
Alex Jones has said the same thing.
Liz Wheeler, whoever that is, he's got a million followers on Twitter, the Liz Wheeler Show, whatever that is.
Joe Biden decided to run for president because of Unite the Right in Charlottesville.
It was a racist rally funded by the SPLC.
It was an op.
Right Angle News Network, 500,000 followers.
I mean, who the hell are these people?
A clip of Kamala Harris using Charlottesville Find People hoax against President Trump.
Trump is now resurfacing after it was revealed that her very own backer, the SBLC, had funded and planned the event.
All of that is so false.
Just so false.
I like what Matt Parrott said.
The ADL and the SBLC absolutely should, as an entirely moderate, bipartisan, sensible, Romneyish, adults in the room type thing, be prosecuted and driven out of business.
Both enterprises target lawful political expression with espionage, defamation, and intimidation.
He continues.
It is true that the SBLC.
May be exposed now because it turned away from Zionism.
It is, however, still a good thing that they are being targeted.
They've earned it.
Greg Johnson, one more time.
Talking about these people I was just mentioning.
It's bad that they are claiming that the entire white nationalist. Circle is simply astroturfed by the left.
In a perfect world in which there were no stupid people, this would not be happening, but that's not the world we live in.
The good news is, however, no matter how these idiots twist it, we are lied about all the time.
It's just a drop in the ocean.
Intelligent people are not taken in by this, and more of them are coming to our side every day.
Well, that's my opening take on all of this.
We have a lot of other people to weigh in.
Keith Alexander is going to take the next segment.
He's read the 14 page and 11 count indictment, and he's got a copy of it on his desk.
Stay tuned for Keith Alexander.
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Money Laundering Laws00:14:06
Last thing Greg Johnson said when the SPLC goes to trial for manufacturing hate and defrauding its donors, I wonder what an Alabama jury will think of it.
Here's hoping that the SPLC is shut down, its assets distributed to its victims, and its operatives perp waddled off to enjoy the joys of diversity in close quarters.
Keith Alexander, one of the groups that received money was the Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club.
Now, that was your organization, wasn't it?
Yeah, I'm known for being a big Harley rider.
All right.
Listen, you have the 14 page indictment on your desk here at the studio.
You've read it.
Break it down for us, counselor.
Well, first of all, let me give you an overview.
Lydia Brimelow probably said it as well as anyone.
The problem that the SBLC encountered was that the supply of white racist organizations or activist organizations outstripped the demand.
This is a problem that the SBLC ran into.
Even under Morris Dees, you know, they were kind of stuck in the 60s, like that song that I remember hearing years ago.
They thought that the civil rights movement was still going on and they had to convince their donor base that it was.
But there wasn't, you know, they were going after people like Tony Perkins' Family Alliance and groups like that, that obviously were not white supremacist organizations under any stretch of the imagination.
So, they had to try to gin up new organizations that were substitutes, but just as bad as, if not worse, than the Klan or the Nazis or, you know, name the group to be slandered.
Not that I have a problem with, you know, anybody that they may have been talking about.
I mean, in many cases, we know that those words are used to describe us as well.
And, you know, if you want to talk about Klan, I mean, the only Klan that I know of is Tom Robb, which is basically a church service.
And I like Tom and Rachel.
Well,.
They're not, you know, this is like Tombstone Territory was a town too tough to die.
Well, the civil rights movement was a movement too good to let it die or let it wither on the vine.
So they had to keep people imagining that it was still going on.
Well, they had to expand the grift.
They had to keep the grift going by expanding it to include, as you mentioned, Tony Perkins' focus on the family, Moms for Liberty, Turning Points USA, the Singing Nuns of Spokane, and groups like this.
Now, let's go to this indictment, though.
Legally speaking, what are they alleging?
Well, they've got 11 counts, and they are basically wire fraud.
Wire fraud is how you transfer money between banks and between accounts, and they have some very stringent, kind of picky-unish rules that I'm sure the SBLC violated.
They are a 501c3 charity, and under section 501c3 of the Internal Revenue Code, You have to really disclose, and they were basically doing the exact opposite, obfuscating everything, having this money travel as accounts like Fox Photographs or Northwest Tech, tech writers at Bank One, etc.
What they were doing is sending money out, trying to keep these.
Organizations going now.
One thing that is a given for any right wing organization, as opposed to left wing organizations like the SPLC, is shortage of money.
So, if somebody shows up with a bushel basket full of money and says, I want to be part of your organization and let me tell you what I think we ought to do, he's going to get an audience because money is scarce as hen's teeth in right wing circles, and they knew how to, you know, get people, get their attention.
But what is happening here is that these money laundering, all this other stuff, these are kind of picky-unish things, I will admit, but they were created by the left and made law specifically to catch people like this Ku Klux Klan and the Nazi Party and things like this, National Socialist groups.
You know, turnabout is fair play.
In fact, it's delicious irony that they are being hoisted on their own petard, basically.
That's what's happened.
Now, this is, you know, the thing that really got people's attention is who are these people that were paid?
They call them F1 through F43, I believe, that got this money.
Apparently, the head of the National Alliance got $1 million, according to this.
They have forfeiture provisions.
If you have money and there's nobody to pay, it's supposed to be payable to somebody and that doesn't exist anymore, then the federal government, the federal, the FDIC, is supposed to get that money.
Instead, it was going right back to the SPLC.
So all of these things were happening and they were being used for years by the SPLC.
See, the SPLC was stuck in the past, stuck in the 60s.
They wanted to relive the civil rights movement.
They wanted to make money.
Well, the thing is, they wanted to keep making money with the same old grift, and the grift was obsolete now.
Which is why they expanded the frontier.
Right, yeah.
To include everybody.
Yeah, everybody, you know, they wanted to tell you that the political cesspool is just as bad as X, Y, or Z or whatnot, or the equivalent of X, Y, and Z.
And they did this, and they basically ruined a lot of people who had just vaguely.
Conservative viewpoints on things like race.
We were very uniquely secured by a station owner that didn't budge, Sam Bushman, a network owner that didn't budge, a station owner.
A lot of other people weren't there.
A pastor that wouldn't budge.
I mean, everywhere that they tried to.
Well, what they tried to do to you and your pastor was when they couldn't get your pastor to buckle, they went to the Southern Baptist Convention and got them to.
Well, they're like aides.
They look for any weak cell, and when they couldn't break through at the radio station or the radio network, they looked.
To church.
When they couldn't do that, you know, when Sam Bushman became the head of the CSPOA, they tried to go after the CSPOA and try to scare these churches, these sheriffs away because Sam syndicates the show.
I mean, they always are out there probing.
Now, here's the counts, though.
And they did ruin a lot of people.
Although, you know, one through seven is wire transfer.
Yeah, one through seven, I think, is wire transfer.
And then after that, you've got the mail fraud.
Which I think is about three of them.
And then the last one is money laundering about this forfeiture provision that wasn't being obeyed.
But basically, what you need to remember this is a Jewish, or as our friend Donald Jeffries calls it, the non Irish.
This is how it's run.
What it used to be.
Well, for example, Hamas, Hezbollah, all these other groups like that, they have been proven to be creatures of Jewish power and influence.
They basically were created by them, funded by them, so that they had a bogeyman that they could be fighting.
And that's their justification, for example, for what they've done to Gaza.
And their invasion of Lebanon now is supposedly because of Hezbollah.
Well, they did the same thing here.
They want to continue to harass people that even have vaguely conservative ideas on race and culture.
And they were able to do it because of our, you know, they would create these straw men to knock down.
And they were making money out of it.
You mentioned earlier in your statement that the old guard has left the SPLC, people like Mark Potock and Heidi Bauer.
Well, they were driven out by some of the same stuff.
I mean, these people became Free Palestine.
Morris Dees got driven out by Me Too.
And then allegations of racism.
I mean, they got eaten by.
Well, what happened was they started getting blacks in there rather than the non Irish.
And basically, they got jealous, I think, and spilled the beans to the feds.
And the feds are using that information for this prosecution.
I would say that this, again, I have to reiterate this isn't something that Trump cooked up since the Iran debacle started.
This has been something that goes back years now.
But I just want to read this, Keith, and get your opinion on this.
So this is the statement.
From the press conference with Kash Patel and District Attorney General Todd Blanch.
It says, We are announcing an 11 count indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Charges include wire fraud, false statements to a federally insured bank, and conspiracy to commit concealment money laundering.
The SPLC allegedly engaged in a massive fraud operation to deceive their donors, enrich themselves, and hide their deceptive operations from the public.
They lied to their donors, vowing to dismantle violent groups, and actually turned around and paid the leaders of these very groups, even utilizing the funds.
To have these groups facilitate the commission of state and federal crimes.
That is illegal, and that is an ongoing investigation against all involved.
Furthermore, and I want to get your take on this from a counselor's point of view, our investigation revealed that the Southern Poverty Law Center, on top of perpetrating this widespread, decade long, multimillion dollar fraud, conducted more criminal activity.
They attempted to hide their criminal activity from our financial banking network.
They set up shell companies and entities around America so that the financial institutions we rely on as everyday Americans were deceived into believing that the money was not coming from the Southern Poverty Law Center and this purpose.
Of this scheme and fraud, but rather fictitious entities that stood up to perpetrate this ongoing fraud.
Now, I would just say one thing that has to be mentioned is the SBLC is neither a law enforcement organization or a federal government organization.
They are, in fact, what they really are is a left wing fundraising group, but it would be the same as us setting up the Edwards Alexander Law Center and paying people to basically commit crimes.
Well, what they tried to do is take advantage of the civil rights movement and the Popularity that came from the fact that the non Irish controlled the media and controlled everything else that was going on there.
They made Morris Dees walk the plank, Potok and Byrick, and now the new guard over there has made Potok and Byrick.
Is that what makes it illegal, though?
I mean, certainly the FBI could engage in this deceptive behavior.
Is that what makes it illegal?
Is that this a private citizen?
These are private citizens working under the guise of a charity?
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Still, so much to cover from this, so many different angles, so many aspects to explore, so many perspectives to be shared tonight.
And we're going to share that time with a half dozen people who know the SPLC all too well.
But I don't know if there's anyone tonight better suited to come on first than Jason Kessler, who is, of course, a journalist.
He's a journalist.
That's what Jason Kessler is.
At his core, he's a journalist.
But he's most well known for, of course, being the organizer of the United.
The right rally and now author of Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
And principal whipping boy for the.
He's had, yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of attacks, undeserved entirely, directed towards Jason, author of Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
Charlottesville has been, more than anything else that the SPLC may or may not have been involved in, Charlottesville has been the one that everybody in our circles are zeroing in on.
And so, for that reason and more, I wanted Jason to be the first one out of the gate tonight to offer his take.
And, Jason, welcome back.
To the show.
Thank you for joining us.
When you got word of this this week, as we all did, when you first heard about it, what was your initial reaction?
Well, I think I was fixing dinner and then they did a story about it on Fox News and my jaw dropped.
I couldn't believe it because, on the one hand, it's a bombshell.
The feds indicting the SPLC, which is a really corrupt, heinous organization, that's great news.
And that's the big picture.
But there's this little wrinkle in there that they have one of the paid informants, F37, they refer to as somebody who was in a leadership chat for Unite the Rights.
And because that person is not named, it has resulted in a firestorm of speculation that is really, unfortunately, surreal and confirms a lot of my worst feelings about human beings.
They are so deluded.
They have so many opinions that are based on nothing but really conspiracy theories.
And people who should know better don't.
And I've just seen, because they don't know who it is, the finger pointing is it not just one person, although if there was one person, a lot of the fingers are pointing at me, but they're saying everybody.
The indictment says one person was paid $270,000, Between 2015 and 2023.
So they were making a salary, sort of a small salary of $33,750 a year.
It's portrayed as if the entire $270,000 was going to stage Charlottesville as this hoax, and it was used to transport people from all over the country to, you know, defame conservatives or something.
And that's not the case.
Do you have any idea who F 37 is?
You don't have to mention it to us, but I'm just wondering, you know, because, see, you're on the short list.
You and Michael Hill and a few other people, that's all that most people know about the people that were prosecuted.
There are a lot of people that were prosecuted that were not named.
And, you know, this is, that's why they came up with your name, because, quite frankly, you're the most public figure.
Well, let me hear, I don't think that, you know, Of course, we're not fooled.
We don't think that's what the case is.
But I was just wondering, you know, as being a person who basically was in charge of it, do you have any idea or you have any suspicions about who the informant might be?
I think I have a much better idea than anybody else.
You're not going to get this in any mainstream source because they don't know anything and they take at face value what the government is saying.
So the government is saying that the person was in a leadership chat, so therefore they're a quote unquote leader, right?
And then they're also saying that this person had arranged transportation or whatever, which I don't think you would really describe what I did as arranging transportation.
I think you would have a more reductive.
Bust description.
You would say, This is the guy who got the permit, but they don't say that.
So it could be anything, this leadership discussion.
A lot of people are saying, It wasn't me, I wasn't in that, but there were so many leadership chats.
I mean, people were talking about this stuff on Facebook, all of these different organizations that went and had their own discussions.
But if we take the most likely scenario, there was a Channel in the Discord where a lot of people were communicating about Unite the Right called Leadership underscore discussion.
And I have the full records of that because as soon as this controversy happened, I went and I found my USB drive that has probably the last remnants anywhere of a lot of evidence from this event outside of whatever lawyers have and what the federal government has.
And so I looked through this thing.
The leadership discussion is not full of all of these big names that people are throwing around.
If it is that, you know, I'm in there.
I'm the mad dimension in there.
That's a handle that I've used variously.
But most of the other people, there were like maybe three people who were actually doing anything related to leadership.
In other words, coordinating with the police and things like that.
For the most part, it was just a sounding board where I was talking with people about.
The ACLU permit case about coordinating with the police, about our fears, about whether the police would maintain law and order, which turned out to be justified fears.
But most of these people were anonymous.
They weren't leaders.
It was just, hey, who wants to help out with this?
It was as organized as if you were organizing a keg party at a college fraternity.
Except it was a bunch of people.
You're trying to cast a wide net so everybody felt like they were part of the deal, but they.
They really weren't.
Well, let me just say this, Jason, that first of all, I've known you very nearly since 2017, and you've always been stand up.
All of this, listen, if there's any aspersions being cast in your direction, I can put that to rest and say it's completely unfounded.
And I would say the same thing for Charlottesville, the big headline is, of course, the DOJ indictment against SPLC.
The sub headline for our ranks.
Is Charlottesville, and I've seen a lot of stuff about Patriot Front, which wasn't even formed until after Unite the Right.
And I was with Rousseau a few days earlier this month, anyway.
And, you know, that's all ridiculous, too.
Sarah Dye from Above Time Coffee, I think, says it at best when she's talking about MAGA tier conservative influencers saying that Unite the Right was completely funded and organized by the SPLC.
You know, that's ignorant, it's stupid.
She writes, How dare you belittle, and it's all over social media, Jason, as you know.
How dare you belittle the actual oppression so many law abiding white people endured for attending a permitted peaceful vigil and protest to stand up for white heritage?
Many people were arrested, doxxed, slandered, sued, jailed, and had their lives ruined by the corrupt anti white so called justice system.
And then they follow that up with January the 6th.
You know, there was nothing but persecution going on here, and it's just.
I'm glad to see the other side getting, you know, turnabout is fair play on this thing after all the misery they tried to cause people in our movement.
Let's refocus, Jason, and just say if it is true that there was an informant amongst the thousands of people who were there that day, that person was not responsible for what was an authentic expression of white interest and white identity that you organized.
Well, the reaction from the public has really just been more of the same as what we've experienced for the last 10 years.
Because after this happened, you would think that there would be some sympathy for the permitted protesters who had every right to show up in an American city and speak their minds.
And these Democrats in the city government and the state government, and maybe at the federal level too, sabotaged it.
They allowed these violent extremists in Antifa and Black Lives Matter to attack.
And all of that came out.
We know that the police had a plan to disband the rally before.
People could speak, that the police said, let them fight because he wanted violence to use as a pretext to shut down the rally.
And that should have been the focus all along.
But what did they do?
They blamed the victims.
It was a stupid idea for people to go there.
I would never do that.
I'm not stupid like them.
Blah, blah.
No, no.
That's hindsight 2020.
We had a right to be there.
And so now what they're doing is they're taking this thing where the SPLC had one person.
That they sent in to sabotage Unite the Right, a running theme, and this person was posting things to make us look bad.
By the way, the things they were posting might have been used in the lawsuit against us, and that's something that's going to have to be explored.
But this person was an infiltrator who was giving our communications over to our enemies to do maximum harm to us.
And despite us being the victims of this.
Espionage by the SPLC, we're getting all the blame.
All right, Liz, we're going to skip this break.
Let's skip this break and keep Jason with us.
The contributors in the second hour are going to get a segment of peace.
We're casting a wide net tonight.
Let's skip this break.
We're casting a wide net tonight so we can have a wider range of perspectives.
But it is going to limit.
I've met a lot of great people throughout TPC's 20 year run.
Let's skip this break.
Thank you.
But it is going to limit the amount of time we have with each person.
I like these ensemble shows because we want to have on a show like this a lot of different.
Takes from a lot of different informed people.
I mean, a lot of people who have suffered at the hands of the SPLC.
Glenn Allen coming up next at the top of the second hour.
But Jason Kessler with Charlottesville being so closely joined to this story.
And a lot of people in the so called mainstream or establishment press have reached out to you once again for comment this week.
What's that been like?
It's been strange.
And, you know, I don't even consider myself a public.
Figure anymore.
So, this is not something that I've asked for.
I've been thrust into it, not of my own desire, but I've been contacted by the New York Post.
I've been contacted by the Washington Examiner, although they emailed my mother, actually, so I didn't get that communication in time.
And also the Gateway Pundit.
And so, it's funny, though, because these are actually not bad journalists.
Both the New York Post guy and the The Gateway Pundit journalists were not hostile and seemed to be really interested in learning my perspective, which is completely different than I would imagine a lot of the more left of center ones like Washington Post, New York Times.
I mean, Charlottesville, aside from maybe the Epstein thing, is the worst reported story of my lifetime, no question.
People, the journalists have failed in their job.
To explain to people what happened.
And into that vacuum, it's just been completely filled with conspiracy theories and weird stuff that isn't true.
So, of course, I have to talk to the journalists because I have to try to set the situation straight in whatever limited capacity I can.
All right, well, let me ask you this then, and then we'll get Keith back in on this.
One thing you pointed out that I'd like to have you comment on was well, first of all, this case was, at least we'll take it at face value, randomly assigned to U.S. District Judge Emily Marks, who was nominated by Trump in 2018.
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You have written that our friends, the Brimelows, Peter and Lydia, have been so savaged by people who think like the SBLC, certainly.
At the very least, in New York.
And by the way, I just got to say again, Lydia Bremolo has written just an incredible piece about this that I would encourage people to read tonight at peterbremolo.com.
Go there, subscribe, support, and read the article.
But the fact that this is going to be taking place in Alabama with an Alabama jury, what do you think, Jason, about that?
Yeah, it's really amazing.
This case is kind of a unicorn because whenever you see, Legal situations involving conservatives and the left, it's always the conservatives are the away team and the liberals get the home team.
So, for example, VDARE incorporated itself in New York, so they are attacked by the prosecutor there, Letitia James.
Trump built his empire in New York, so of course, all these phony criminal charges coming decades after the fact are coming from New York.
The January 6th people did their event in Washington, D.C., and had to be prosecuted by Washington prosecutors, judges, and juries.
But in this case, I mean, this is the first example I can ever think of a real power player, a bully, like SPLC, which actually incorporated in Alabama, huh?
That's a funny thing, which has to do with their phony civil rights movement and that whole history.
But they stayed there and they didn't get out.
So they're going to get a little taste of the medicine.
that we have been forced to swallow for a long time.
Well, what I'm, you know, they're trying to keep the civil rights movement alive, you know, fanning the dying embers of it.
That was what the whole Southern Poverty Law Center was, and the supply of white supremacist, racist, whatnot, did not match the demand for them.
I'm wondering if the SPLC is being thrown to the wolves as a scapegoat, because quite frankly, if this was the B'nai B'rith Poverty Law Center, I doubt whether they would be getting prosecuted.
I understand also that the old guard, which, first of all, this lady, this judge has the name Marks, which makes me think she's non Irish.
Also, the middle district of Alabama might not be the good venue that you think it is because that's where the black belt of Alabama is.
I'd like to see what the demographic breakdown is on this.
But nonetheless, I think that, you know, this is a big win for us, regardless of other.
You know, motivations that may be lurking in the weeds about this.
And I think that when people, you know, Potock and Byrick made Dees walk the plank, then the new guard, which included a lot of non Irish people, made them, made Byrick and Potock walk the plank.
And I'm thinking there must have been somebody leaking information in this new guard to basically, you know, substantiate what they were trying to.
Well, who knows what was going on behind the scenes, and it doesn't pay to speculate, but I mean, it's all good news.
But anyway, you know, it's just something that, you know, for example, the venue of this thing may not be as favorable as a lot of people think.
Well, it's going to be a lot better than New York.
I see what you're saying.
The ADL's done all this and worse.
They should get it too.
Let's take wins where we can get them and celebrate the prospect of something like this happening because, Jason, you know, I know Glenn Allen's coming on next, and he thinks that there's a very good chance of this going sideways for the SPLC.
And I want to say this about you too, Jason, and that is in a recent American Free Press profile, You were coming on to basically defend Trump in the post Iran era.
One person that had commented on social media this week writes that the SPLC scandal points to the massive importance of winning elections.
Had Kamala won, the SPLC would be working with the Department of Justice right now to go and prosecute you and your friends and your leaders.
It's a different ballgame right now, and that should be mentioned.
Jason, back to you.
Yeah, I gave Trump credit for this after it happened.
To me, it's night and day.
I'm not as focused on the foreign policy questions.
I'm not as focused on Israel or Iran as some people are.
For a lot of people, that's their number one issue, and it overshadows everything.
I love the wins we're getting with Trump.
I love that he shut down access to the border, that he's cutting down both legal and illegal immigration, that he's going after our enemies.
And this is an unqualified good thing for us.
Now, There are extra steps that people like me are going to have to take because I need the identity of that SPLC informant to come out to clear my name now.
So I'm going to have to do my own legal avenues to clear my name, but that's my burden to bear.
Overall, this is a good thing for America.
This is a good thing for our movement.
Well, the way that I look at it is this I really don't care about bombs dropping on the other side of the world when I think about what.
During my lifetime, has been our experience with federal governmental power.
As white Southerners, white Gentile Southerners, we've had loss after loss after loss after loss.
The only time we've had any wins is under Donald Trump.
So, even though, you know, I understand that he seems to be beholden to certain powers among the non Irish, nonetheless, I'm more interested in, like you are, his domestic agenda than his foreign policy agenda.
And For that reason, I think we ought to vote for him.
I want to say this.
Well, we're not going to get a fourth time, I don't think, but we'll see what happens next.
You never know these days.
Well, we're not voting for him, but we're voting for the Republicans so that he will not be made to walk the plank, which is what the left has in common.
Well, this has certainly taken all of the interest from Iran, at least this week it has.
But, Jason, I just want to say I want to be sure to give a plug.
If you want the real story about Unite the Right, then you need to read Jason Kessler's book, and you can do so.
And Jason Kessler, I am proud to say, actually debuted this book.
At TPC's 20th anniversary conference.
He had a book signing table, sold a lot of copies there.
But you can get it tonight at dissident.press.
Dissident.press, Charlottesville and the death of free speech, perhaps never more timely than it is now, even after all these years.
A question has come in to you, Jason, from a listener.
And you touched on this, but if you could, with just a few minutes remaining, and we could have done the whole show with you tonight, but dissident.press for the book and the same handle on Twitter.
To get Jason's thoughts.
But the ramifications for the civil trial, somebody's asking about the ramifications for the civil trial.
Do you think that that can be revisited?
Is that a dead letter or is that something that's awakened again?
That's a real question and that's a real possibility.
I actually spoke to Glenn Allen earlier today and we were talking about this issue and we both are very intrigued by it.
So, for example, the majority of the really damaging stuff in the Science v. Kessler lawsuit came from people who weren't even sued by Kaplan and Co.
Okay, there was a guy named Michael Chesney who was in the chat saying really outrageous things.
And I actually had to kick this guy out because he was posting stuff about running people over with a car.
And we thought it was just a sick sense of humor at the time.
Then he started joking about Heather Heyer.
He started joking about Heather Heyer dying after it happened.
And we're like, this guy is a sick.
This is a sicko.
We need to get him out of there.
Or he's a pine.
And so he was the basis.
James Fields did not communicate with me or anybody else who was sued.
We did not approve.
Of what he was doing, and we had nothing to do with it.
Okay, but their connected thread were these comments by Chesney.
And Chesney, I'm telling you, the journalists who are investigating this, the New York Post guy, he directly asked me about Chesney.
And I even handed over the leadership discussion so the guy can look at it.
I'm not ashamed of what's in there.
Yeah, if you can find that it's Chesney, that would be a game changer, especially on top of that, if.
The people who sued us knew about the SPLC plant.
You know, they were colleagues of the SPLC.
Spitalnik, the one who ran the nonprofit Integrity First for America, which was financing Science v. Kessler, she is a frequent collaborator of the SPLC.
The SPLC was cited throughout the Science v. Kessler case.
Yeah, definitely.
It could have a major impact depending on who the person was.
Well, it could be.
He's a very strange cat.
People were warning me about him, and I was so naive at the time.
I thought, well, people can say whatever they want.
This is a free speech zone for a free speech rally.
I didn't know how the things that other people say could be used against me and us.
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Still so new.
I mean, less than a week ago.
A week ago tonight, we were planning on wrapping up our Confederate History Month series this evening and then easing into back to basics for summer coming up with Memorial Day, Yankee Memorial Day anyway, later this month and into May and June.
But this thing has been a total upheaval to our schedule and it'll be interesting to see how it develops.
It's just getting started and I think we'll be covering it for many weeks to come.
Jason, thank you for kicking off our coverage of it tonight.
Now, anything else you want to say?
We've got about 10 seconds remaining.
Just follow me at Dissident Press, at Dissident Press on Twitter, because that's pretty much the only place I can get my side of the story out there.
And believe me, I'm going to have some major things popping off in the near future because I want to find out what happened and I'm going to fight to find out.