The Political Cesspool - James Edwards - Radio Show Hour 1

Jan. 11, 2026 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards

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Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/01/10

Former government contractor Padraig Martin examines the reasons given for the invasion of Venezuela, discusses which one is most plausible, and answers whether American interests can possibly be served.
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	You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
	The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
	And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
	As the military action Donald Trump took in Venezuela continues to take a life of its own, it's ever-evolving.
	Every day brings new bluster, new information, new questions.
	And right here tonight, we are going to give you two experts to help us sort through all of these things.
	No half-baked commentaries here, just well done and seasoned analysis.
	I think our show tonight will set the standard for coverage of this issue.
	It will continue next week when Mark Weber, another top-flight geopolitical analyst, will be with us.
	We will be breaking this down probably for the entire month of January.
	Welcome to tonight's live broadcast.
	It's Saturday evening, January the 10th, and Venezuela and its ancillary issues are all we're focused on right now.
	And to help kick off our coverage, well, we did cover it last week by repurposing a couple of guests who were already pre-booked to appear on that first show of the year.
	David Zutty did a great job.
	Not sure if I bought everything he was saying, but he did make a very interesting case that certainly a minority of folks in our collective are sort of putting some stock into.
	But let's go now to our good friend and who I thought would be the best, along with Jose Niño in the next hour and Mark Weber next week, sort of like the big three on this issue.
	And Patrick Martin is a former government contractor.
	He worked on behalf of the United States in 78 different countries.
	He holds two master's degrees, including one in Islamic studies.
	This is a guy who has been there and done that when it comes to issues of this nature.
	Patrick, welcome back to the show.
	Thank you for being with us tonight.
	Thank you very much for the invitation.
	I appreciate it.
	Well, the honor is entirely ours, and we need clear and concise commentary, opinion, and analysis on this.
	And we start there with you.
	And just again, I mean, you have been such a regular guest, not only during our Confederate History Month series, as you are a southern nationalist, but for issues like this, people maybe could do as well, and that's pushing it.
	Nobody can do better.
	And I asked you in a feature for the American Free Press that's going to be coming out in the next issue, just to remind everybody of your bona fides, what your work as a government contractor entailed and how that experience makes you uniquely qualified to offer expert opinion on this recent situation in Venezuela and the Western Hemisphere writ large.
	Yeah, so thank you again.
	I started my career in the Western Hemisphere desk originally starting as a U.S. government employee.
	I was a member of, well, at that time, part of the DOC was the Bureau of Industry and Security.
	And for those of you not aware what BIS is, the BIS looks at a variety of non-proliferation issues, weapons issues, and so forth around the world.
	It also has a licensing role as well for dual-use technologies.
	In this particular case, I started out what was called the Student Career Entry Program.
	This is more than 20 years ago, now almost really 25 years ago.
	And I started out very, very green, beginning on issues in the tri-border area.
	That's Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay, an area that's lawless, has got a lot of issues, a lot of problems.
	That naturally brought me into Venezuela and Colombia, and really my career begins to kick off when I came across information about the, at that time, the Provisional Irish Republican Army had been bringing expertise into areas that were controlled by the FARC, specifically a very different sort of device that no one had seen before.
	It was triggered by advanced radar guns that were used in the United States, specifically in Virginia and Tennessee.
	And these kinds of weapons were so unique and they began to materialize in places like the Janine refugee camp in the West Bank.
	So that began bringing us down rabbit holes and I continued to track.
	And there was a very unique system that was beginning to take off with regard to global supply chain management that ultimately led me to work on Iran affairs.
	And I wound up going to get my master's degree specifically on Islamic law and Iranian studies with a focus on Shia Islam.
	But it all began when I began tripping across what appeared to be IRA, Hezbollah, and FARC coordination with regard to weapons development in the region.
	And that, again, was almost 25 years ago now.
	So this is where Venezuela and Iran were intricately linked for years.
	They have a strong connection even today.
	It does appear that there was a great deal of information sharing between both parties.
	So there's no question that that relationship has existed.
	There's a very strong Lebanese Shiite community that is in Venezuela now and still holds some prominent positions of power, especially financial power in Venezuela.
	So combined, you have a really global nexus, so to speak, of actors that do not have U.S. interests at heart, to say the least, that are operating just south of us into the northern tier of South America.
	Go ahead, Keith.
	Patrick Keith Alexander.
	First of all, hey, Keith, how are you, sir?
	I'm doing as well as can be expected under the circumstances.
	I just had my 75th birthday yesterday.
	And happy birthday.
	You took the lead with that.
	We put a little tribute post to you up on the website, by the way, yesterday.
	Keith Alexander, 75 years young.
	You're actually one of my youngest friends, too, by the way.
	Well, I proved that, prove positive that Elvis was an old Miss fan.
	I had a picture from a friend of him playing backyard football as a boy near Hume's High School in North Memphis, running around wearing an old Miss sweatshirt.
	And I know that's important, but now let me get back to where I was.
	The situation exists.
	You mentioned BIS.
	What is BIS?
	That's the Bureau of Industry and Security.
	So the Bureau of Industry and Security is a, you know, now it falls under the DHS umbrella.
	But at the time, it was under Commerce Department, and its whole purpose was to mitigate the potential that you may have dual-use technologies, technologies that could be used for both weapon systems and systems that are used commercially to non-weapon.
	Right, they may have a non-weapon or non-military role, or they may have a military role.
	So they have dual use that might be exported out of the United States.
	So these were controlled technologies typically.
	BIS also had an additional role of various weapons proliferation responsibilities.
	And ultimately, what I wound up doing was going from the BIS to the Defense Intelligence Agency when I wound up transitioning onto Iran affairs in 2004.
	But I cut my teeth, so to speak, with regard to the BIS and specifically the BIS, looking at where things were going, essentially.
	So again, when you look at the global supply chain environment as a whole, where were things leaving the United States and going to and where were they ending up?
	And a lot of these dual-use technologies were ending up on black markets throughout Latin America and then ultimately being sold overseas.
	This is, again, folks, why I'm very proud about the roster of guests that we have.
	We've been here today from Padrick, from Jose, from Mark.
	I mean, these are the people that should be getting the hits on Fox News.
	I really mean that.
	And again, I wanted to set the table there by letting Padrick remind you of his professional discipline.
	As everybody out there, as we often say, with a microphone or a webcam is a commentator now, but nobody, we have qualified opinions here.
	And our time together is so limited with only one hour, Padrick, that in the print piece for AFP, and we'll have it up on our website in a few days.
	And if you subscribe to the paper, you'll get it there as well.
	But you break down why a lot of the reasons being bandied about are not legitimate reasons.
	The drug smuggling excuse, he was a dictator.
	Maduro was a dictator excuse.
	They had a hand.
	Venezuela had a hand in stealing the 2020 election.
	There's a lot of excuses out there.
	You debunk them one by one.
	And I don't think, while it would be time well spent, I think I would rather spend the time rather than talking about what is not the reason for Trump's action in Venezuela.
	But the reason is the most likely reason for regime change is in your expert opinion.
	So, again, based upon what is the long game on this, too.
	Well, we'll get into that in the next half hour, Keith.
	But yes, I mean, we do want to talk about that.
	But the question right now is, based upon Padrick, your previous work for the government and informed knowledge of how the system works, what do you believe the biggest driving force behind Trump's decision to forcibly depose Maduro was?
	Israel.
	And this is the reason why Fox News will never have me on the show.
	Same old reason.
	I tell you, the footprints always lead back to the Israeli camp, don't they?
	That's right.
	There's a lot to unpack even there.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	So one of the folks might get caught up on the Hezbollah argument and so forth.
	And there's no question that Hezbollah and Iran, first of all, they're intricately linked in themselves as part of the very small global Shiite community and specifically as allies, regional allies in the Middle East and so forth.
	And that Hezbollah as a proxy has really a very broad global network.
	They are the forerunner.
	They're the forefront, essentially, of the support for non-state armed groups that are backed by the Iranian regime.
	Not always in a bad way, by the way, sometimes in a humanitarian way.
	And that's how they ended up, by the way, to begin in Venezuela in support of certain business interests and a very small Shiite community that happened to be in South America.
	But that said, Israel, there is that security component for sure that Israel is interested in.
	But there's a bigger thing happening right now that I think is being lost by many of the folks that are involved in the national security environment.
	Everybody's so focused on the ability to kinetically hurt somebody.
	But you now have the growth of artificial intelligence.
	And with AI being so important to any global environment, any global economic environment now, and it's going to be growing, there is a great deal of power resources required in order to make that happen.
	Oil winds up being the critical component of being able to power up those resources.
	So what we've seen in this sort of transition is that you've gone from, you have a cryptocurrency environment that sort of parallels the AI environment.
	And for cryptocurrency miners, especially crypto miners, are now many of them are beginning to shift to these data centers capable of supporting AI.
	AI requires a great deal of energy production in order to maintain its data facilities.
	And the problem you have, see, United States is capable of doing this.
	One of the reasons why Pennsylvania has been ground zero for the production of data centers, because a lot of these old gas lines can fuel up and power up these data resources at a very micro level.
	It's why they're looking at now bringing Three Mile Island back online.
	That's why nuclear power is now coming back into the forefront, especially localized nuclear power plants that will be able to fire up these AI data centers.
	Now, I have a lot of misgivings about an AI future, but that said, AI is driving a lot of the decision-making on a global scale, especially as it pertains to energy.
	Well, Israel is not immune to that.
	And the key issue for Israel right now is that Israel does not really have a steady source of natural resource supply capable of ensuring that they will continue to be able to have the power necessary to generate their own data centers for their own intelligence needs and AI needs.
	They need that.
	The rest of the Middle East is not yet fully on board with anything, the Abraham Accords and all these other idealistic peace proposals that are out there.
	There's certainly some strategic symmetry with a country like, say, Saudi Arabia and Israel because of the fear of Iran.
	Mostly from the Saudis perspective, the idea that the Iranians can potentially at some point in time decide to take back Mecca, Medina, and take on a much more powerful role in the region.
	So there's always that concern.
	And that's why the Saudis have tacitly supported the Israelis for some time.
	But the Israelis themselves are looking at this from a broader scale, from a longer strategic perspective.
	They don't have a steady source of oil.
	The Russians, at one point in time, provided them all.
	When you have these various strategic concerns, when you have these various issues between Russia and the United States that have created these economic sanctions, limited supply, supply constrictions, and so forth, you now have Israel wondering, where can I get a steady source of supply?
	And the United States has been so really, the way to look at this is the United States has been so all over the place with regard to energy policy, especially when you have a Democrat president and you have a Republican president, Democrat president.
	So you have these conflicting ideas within these United States regarding energy production and energy dispersion that the Israelis are looking for something they could rely upon.
	And you now have a leader, a potential leader, which eventually will happen, in Maria Machado, who is a recent Nobel Peace Prize winner, but she's also, she herself had a form, her political party, the Vente Venezuela, has a formal cooperation agreement with Likud, Bibi Nanyalo's party, going back to 2020.
	She has promised that she would bring in a number of changes, both social changes, introducing usury, which right now is currently illegal in Venezuela.
	So banks that will begin putting money into the interests.
	Not like any type of laws against usury.
	Exactly right, you're 100.
	Interestingly enough, now uh, usury is banned, is in Islamic practice.
	Uh, for?
	So the Iranians?
	No, neither the Iranians nor Hezbollah uh have ever supported usury.
	And of course, the Israelis make a great deal of money uh, supporting banking interests around the world, and and especially in the United States, through U.s proxies.
	So you have this being introduced.
	That's right.
	100, this it's interest-based financing, lending and and currency manipulation will be brought in.
	She promised to do this.
	This is not me saying this, this is her own words saying this.
	She has these agreements already set up.
	She's already agreed that the Venezuelan embassy would move to Jerusalem.
	Um, she already agreed that she would allow the Israelis to bring in military assets into Venezuela, not only to protect her and obviously, the political parties they call it the democratic process but to also uh to to engage in whatever the Israelis need from a regional security perspective.
	Well, but it seems very clear to me that the most likely reason why the Israelis would go into Venezuela would be to protect any kind of oil interests, and they and this is where it comes back to Machado she's already agreed that there would be an energy agreement immediately between Venezuela and Israel.
	When she gets in back into?
	Well, she gets into power.
	I was telling James this last week, and he was poo-pooing me.
	I said, what a coincidence that Netanyahu's visit to Trump coincides with this.
	Yeah, Patrick has written about that as well.
	And uh yes exactly, Keith.
	But I so just to be clear here though, so you're saying Maria Machado, and whether it's her or whomever it ultimately ends up being, you have to.
	I mean, the smart money is on the next president of Venezuela.
	This, whatever puppet they install, is going to be far more favorable, far more friendly to the Zionist state than Machado was.
	And uh, we'll get into the downside of Machado excuse me, not Machado, Maduro as well, but right now you've got Delci Rodriguez, who was Maduro's vice president.
	She's sort of in there, saber rattling right now in the vein of the former administration.
	Uh, when do you expect that some sort of change will happen there at the uh seat, at the head table?
	Well, this is where my biggest concern is, with all this happening right now, Rodriguez is saber rattling, you're right now.
	She's also come out and said that she's willing to cooperate with the, the United States and, of course, Maduro said the same thing.
	Apparently, Maduro had a, rather interestingly enough, he offered a lot of concessions to Trumpet.
	There was no interest there at all.
	Right, a productive, productive conversations with Trump that that seemed to.
	At least he was trying to in some way uh, calm down uh, some of their previous rhetoric and it just didn't work.
	I think it's.
	It's, there's no question that Bibi Netanyahu's visit was time to coordinate with the Venezuelan attack.
	Number one, number two uh, the.
	The fact is that, even if you want to have so you get rid of Maduro, and even if you get rid of Rodriguez, you have a deeply, deeply structured Pro-Chavez, Pro-Maduro government that has been in place now since 2002, easily, and more.
	So, you've had now almost 25 years of a structurally designed Venezuelan infrastructure, bureaucratically and militarily, that is pro-Chavez, pro-Maduro.
	So, this is not something that's going to get rooted out overnight.
	I mean, if you think about this in just from a moment here, we had four years of the Biden administration.
	We had eight years of the Obama administration.
	So, essentially, it was 12 years of the Obama team.
	And then, in between that was wedged the first Trump administration.
	The first Trump administration was stopped at almost every single level from getting anything done with the U.S. military, largely because you had eight previous years of Obama.
	And he had completely transformed the U.S. military from one that had previously been very conservative-leaning to one that became really a left-wing bastion.
	And a lot of the seeds of that structural change occurred under the Clinton administration.
	So, they occurred on the Clinton administration.
	You have guys like Joseph Nye, who at the time was Assistant Secretary of Defense under Clinton.
	They were looking for military officers that thought more like them.
	And in order for you to rise through the ranks of the U.S. military, you began having to essentially pass political tests.
	You can get to a rank of, say, E6, E7 and be fine.
	You can get to the rank of, say, 04, 05, fine.
	You might be a major or even a lieutenant colonel and be okay and kind of slide under the radar.
	But once you go above that pay grade, you're now being questioned about your political leanings.
	And those are really political positions in the U.S. military, and those political positions were very, really wetted to the left.
	And so, by the time Obama leaves office and goes in the first Trump administration, what you have is a, this is why under the Trump administration, you still had transgender senior officers.
	You still had officers getting promotions who were transgenders and far-left activists and all these crazy wahoos that were coming through.
	And then, of course, Trump is out and Biden slips right in, and you have, it goes all back, and even more so to the left.
	Even more radically left-wing did the U.S. military go.
	Now, you think about that, that happens in these United States.
	You're looking at we've got resources to combat that.
	We have a semi-functional Congress.
	We have a semi-functional party or supposedly opposition party, even though I do think it's more of a uniparty system.
	But you have this structure here, at least that's supposed to contest these kinds of infiltrations of a military infrastructure.
	You didn't have any of that in Venezuela.
	In Venezuela, you have none of that.
	You don't have a, say, a competitive Republican Party that's held accountable to some extent by its voters, even though it's not.
	You didn't have any of that to stop this from happening.
	So you've had this litmus test, this Marxist litmus test that has existed structurally within the bureaucracy and within the military of Venezuela for 25 years.
	So what you're saying is, and again, just to recap, even though the vice president, Maduro's vice president, is sort of in the chair now, you do believe that she will ultimately be replaced with someone far more friendly to the Zionist state,
	but that cutting off the head of the snake, if you consider Maduro to have been that, is not going to be the elixir, the silver bullet that's going to solve all of the problems that the United States and Israel believe that Venezuela presented to their interests because of what you were just articulating.
	Correct.
	Yeah, you can try to cut off the head of the snake all you want, but you're just going to keep on having more heads pop up.
	So the only real way to make this work is you're going to have to invest in regime change.
	And this is where my challenge is with all this.
	Every time we talk about regime change, we always have a problem.
	The U.S. is just, we shouldn't be in there meddling in the affairs of Israel.
	Israel has problems.
	You know, the whole Middle East clean break memorandum.
	And it looks like it's a long game that basically Venezuela is going to be a colony of Israel.
	Effectively.
	Effectively.
	I mean, it's going to be certainly the idea here is that it will be a steady source of oil supply to a country that is hyper-dependent on AI for its future.
	Well, I was just going to say, I'm going to try to work this in very quickly.
	We are skipping the floor breaks.
	I want to maximize time with Padrick.
	You can just give me a quick yay or nay as to whether or not you agree with this statement that I found on social media.
	And it ties directly into what you and Keith are talking about right now.
	Is Venezuela the prelude?
	Is the question?
	I believe the true objective of the kidnapping operation to remove Maduro is to secure U.S. control of Venezuelan oil in anticipation of a disruption of the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf when Israel, with U.S. backing, launches a new attack on Iran.
	Do you believe that is what is coming?
	Is that part of the long game?
	I don't think so.
	And here's the only reason why I say that.
	There are a lot of players, a lot of actors in the Middle East who are not friendly to Iran.
	So even though I look at it as yes, Iran will no question about it, respond differently next time.
	There are a lot of players in there who have a vested interest in seeing Iran collapse, also in the Middle East, and they would keep that oil flowing just to make sure that Iran stays unbalanced.
	Very good.
	All right.
	Well, this is why we're talking with Patrick Martin, a retired government contractor.
	He worked on behalf of Uncle Sam or perhaps Uncle Shmuel.
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	We're back right now with my dear friend, Patrick Martin.
	A hell of a start to 2026.
	I mean, the whole geopolitical power structure is basically upside down right now.
	And we don't really know exactly how the chips are going to fall and how this whole thing is going to play out.
	But I do believe that there is a lot of potential here for this to be a lot bigger on the global scale than just the replacement of Maduro with somebody more friendly to Israel.
	I mean, there are going to be dominoes that fall here that we can't even quite imagine yet.
	And in this segment, Patrick, I really appreciate your informed expert opinion and analysis in setting this up in that first half hour segment.
	We're going to move a lot more briskly in the time we have remaining with you this hour before we go to Jose Niño, himself of Venezuelan heritage, to continue this conversation in the next hour.
	There's so many things attendant to this situation.
	And we're going to do some quick hits now and try to move through as many of them as we can.
	So I've mentioned, of course, that you're going to be featured in my next piece for the American Free Press along with David Zutty.
	So it's sort of like an in-print debate, if you will.
	And if you tuned in last week to the show, folks, you heard David Zutty's take, and he made an interesting case.
	And I thought it was interesting enough that we would have Patrick and David paired together for this AFP piece.
	And basically, the question I have for you now, Patrick, as quickly as you can, because you have read David's answers, and that is the question of whether or not, even if this does serve Israel's interest, can it also at once serve white interest in America?
	That's a question, and I'd like to examine it.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	And real quick, the reasons are simple.
	As much as it could potentially serve some economic interest, the folks that are really going to wind up having to bear the brunt of this will be anybody involved in the regime change.
	So it's going to be mostly young white men in military units, combat arms units, who are going to have to be on the ground, boots on the ground, and potentially put in harm's way.
	That's number one.
	And that's probably my largest concern by far.
	The second issue is, and this recently just came out, was that the administration is now talking about the potential for permanent residence status for those Venezuelans who are already here.
	And even though what began as largely a white Venezuelan class that was dispossessed by the Chavez Maduro regime, has largely become a darker demographic over time, especially over the last 10 years.
	So you now have, you already have a great replacement reality.
	It's not a theory.
	It's a reality.
	That displacement has kind of been put on hyperdrive in the last roughly five years.
	And I don't see that ending.
	And anytime we have a disruption, any kind of disruption whatsoever, especially during a messy regime change, it almost always involves the importation of young men from those countries who become permanent residents at the expense of the white citizenry within these United States.
	Some things never change, Patrick.
	Yes, sir.
	You know, I was, I think Christy Noam and Pam Bondi have both said that they think that, you know, we ought to start taking in Venezuelan refugees.
	It's just crazy how that is a reflex, almost a reflexive reaction that the U.S. government has whenever they start these regime change wars.
	And then another thing that I just thought I'd mention while we went in, I understand the Denmark government has said that if America takes over Greenland, that will end NATO.
	My response to that, is that a promise?
	Okay.
	So I want to get to that too.
	And we really have to speed things up here because there's so much I want to ask you about.
	But yes, with regards to accepting so-called refugees as a result of this upheaval that Trump has made happen, Patrick, you said that the administration is sort of walking that back a little bit now.
	And even some people on the pro-white right are believing that they can use this opportunity, take advantage of this opportunity to send these people to Venezuela.
	I mean, do you see any good that could come from that when the dust settles?
	I mean, I think that would be a great way to do something to send folks back.
	I just, again, I just don't trust that the U.S. government will do that.
	I mean, for instance, what we could do is, say, create a kind of a Venezuelan nationalist military, a militia, so to speak, that's trained by the U.S. military.
	If they're Venezuelan nationals that are here in these United States to go back to Venezuela and be part of the rebuilding of the Venezuelan infrastructure, even if it winds up benefiting Israel, so be it.
	That is a possibility.
	Perhaps the Israelis and the U.S. can have a combined training operation that then sends the Venezuelans back to go essentially manage their own country.
	I just don't see it happening.
	I don't see where we never do that.
	And if you look at some of the demographic profiles of the folks that did come over the course of the last 8, 20 years, many of them were dispossessed when they were high-flying members of Venezuelan society in their 30s and 40s back in the early 2000s.
	They're now in their 50s and 60s.
	They're definitely not going to be carrying an M4 and guarding the streets of Caracas.
	Maybe some of their children, but their children, because of the whole birthright citizenship issue, are now American citizens, especially because they were granted a resident status here in these United States, even if they weren't necessarily full-right citizens.
	Their children have become full-right citizens, and we'll see what happens with SCOTUS.
	So I don't see that happening.
	And again, I wish it would.
	It would be great.
	I just don't.
	I have not seen anything the U.S. government has ever done where white people should trust what the U.S. government is going to ultimately do and decide.
	All right.
	Now, what I'm doing here is an earnest exploration for the truth and to not marry myself to any one narrative, although, personally, I, for the most part, subscribe to what Patrick is saying here very much.
	But I also want to, and not in the Tucker Carlson, I'm just asking questions thing.
	I think we need to look at this from all angles.
	So here is Nick Griffin.
	Nick Griffin and I talk, text, email, whatever, at least once a month, sometimes more frequently than that.
	And of course, Nick, lifetime advocate for our people, serious guy, was elected to high office in Europe, at the European Parliament.
	He's a lifer.
	I mean, he's a player.
	And we were texting about this the other day, and he was asking me the day after it happened how American nationalists were sort of viewing this thing.
	And here's what he said.
	And this is where we're really going to speed things up.
	Let's take a minute for each of these answers if we can, because I've got a lot to get to.
	But this was what Nick Griffin said.
	My take, this is Nick speaking, my take is that it's overwhelmingly about preserving the status of the dollar as the global Reserve currency.
	To be fair to Trump, America would be so screwed without it that his action can be read as serious realpolitic rather than subservience to the Jews.
	I've heard this.
	The petro-dollar argument, it doesn't hold water for a couple of reasons.
	One, there's really no brick currency.
	Right now, there's no brick currency competitor.
	It has not been established.
	There's a lot of pushback on that.
	Number two, the U.S. does have a nuclear option with regard to the U.S. dollar.
	There's so many countries that have used U.S. dollars as part of its basket of currencies.
	Too many countries have actually pegged their economies to the U.S. dollar that the U.S. dollar, because of where it's at right now, the U.S. can arbitrarily decide, if they chose to do so, to hyperinflate the dollar to a point where it would actually crush the countries holding that debt.
	There's the old adage where, you know, if I owe you a million dollars, you own me.
	But if I owe you $10 million, I own you.
	And in that regard, the U.S. is just too deeply interconnected from a dollar perspective.
	There's just too many factors that are currently invested, and it would take way too long to really put something out there.
	And I don't see Venezuela necessarily as being a linchpin there.
	I could see if you wanted to undermine China or Russia.
	That might be the case, or even Brazil for that matter, which is next door to Venezuela, no doubt.
	But Venezuela as a whole, I just don't see that happening.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now, how about this one?
	This is from a commentator that I have certainly far less respect for than Nick Griffin, but this is the Matt Walsh take.
	Now, you've got to take this with a grain of salt because he is sort of a lieutenant for Ben Shapiro.
	But this is, again, Matt Walsh speaking.
	This is a war for oil.
	First of all, the war lasted 90 minutes.
	Second, going toward to secure vital resources for your own people is totally legitimate.
	Why should we allow some third world communist to control trillions of dollars worth of oil?
	I totally support turning other countries in our hemisphere into subordinate vassals of the United States.
	That's the very definition of an America-first foreign policy.
	Make colonization great again.
	That is Matt Walsh speaking.
	And so, you know, it begs the question, I guess, at least in terms of – He's a friend of Ben Shapiro.
	What is it?
	What a coincidence.
	Right.
	But just for the purpose of a question, as we examine this from all angles, okay, well, let's think about that.
	Were we for colonization to begin with?
	The age of exploration, expansion of Europe into the Americas, the American experiment from Sea to Shining Sea?
	Yes.
	So what makes it different now?
	And of course, I know the answer already, but in terms of just the, you know, American chauvinism is something that these magateer people are talking about.
	We're American chauvinists.
	We should be able to do this.
	White expansionism, et cetera, et cetera.
	Square that one for us, Patrick.
	Well, I never really considered Matt Walsh to be a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle.
	So, I mean, Castizo Futurism and what have you.
	But in terms of vassal states, really, the U.S. dollar is oil is already a dollar-denominated currency, right?
	So when you can control oil in many ways by controlling your dollar, number one.
	And again, I do know there are folks that have been looking to break away from that petro-dollar argument and so forth.
	But we do have a great deal of control.
	Now, again, that oil in Venezuela is not the cleanest.
	It's definitely a cruder version.
	We have our own oil, which we're not producing enough of.
	Well, we should be.
	Well, they say that the refineries we have in the Gulf of Mexico are set up to handle the refinement of that type of oil.
	They are.
	No, they are.
	They're set up to refine it, and so we can use it.
	But I mean, really, again, this all goes back to the physical asset of oil, controlling oil, coming out of Venezuela, really benefits a country like Israel.
	It benefits a country that does not have its own true or sustainable oil resources.
	And so that would benefit Israel.
	It really wouldn't benefit the U.S. U.S. has got multiple resources that it could rely upon to power up itself.
	And we're already racing to get nuclear up and running.
	Again, we're beginning to heavily invest in our uranium deposits in places like Texas and so forth as well.
	So this is changing the dynamic.
	We already, in many ways, control these countries.
	They actually have a physical control of them.
	You have to control the distributors.
	And distributors are almost all American or European, whether it's BP, Chevron, or what have you.
	Okay, now, so again, and Matt Walsh did wrap this up.
	And again, Matt Walsh is one of these guys that came to the party late, and he's able to talk in a pro-white way, or at least give the appearance that he's a pro-white advocate after it became very safe to do so.
	So, you know, I appreciate the assist there in some ways, but he's not someone that I take seriously, that I look to for guidance on these things.
	But he did write, we should not take in the undesirables from the third world countries in our hemisphere.
	They should take our undesirables.
	Hopefully, that's one of the ways that we'll make use of Venezuela.
	Of course, I agree with him on that.
	And you've already addressed that, Patrick, that yes, that's something that is being that people are looking at, hopefully, but you don't expect that that will be how it plays out.
	But again, just to wrap this part up very quickly, and I want to move to Maduro himself, you see this more as, I believe, as one person put it, naked dollar imperialism more than sort of a nascent proto-America first form of fascism in the Western hemisphere.
	Or Yiddish supremacism.
	I think that'd be more like, yeah, I think that's actually more correct, Keith.
	It's kind of Yiddish supremacism, Jewish supremacism, with using its big muscle behind it, the U.S. We're their bodyguard.
	All right.
	Now, well, let's talk about that.
	Let's talk about that.
	If something that benefits Israel is something that is always against American interest in every way.
	Against white American interest.
	Yeah, of course.
	Every liberal movement since World War II has been that.
	Yeah, and of course, those are the only interests that I fundamentally care about.
	So when I say American interests, of course, I'm talking about our interest as a race, as a nation, which is what a nation is, what it used to be anyway.
	But let's talk about Maduro.
	And we did touch on this last week a little bit.
	In the spirit of fairness, I think it should be mentioned that Maduro was a communist.
	He was assuredly not someone who cared for white interest.
	He had decried white supremacy, so-called white supremacy on many occasions.
	This was not Francisco Franco that Trump deposed.
	However, yes, Israel is celebrating his removal.
	And as we have mentioned, we'll almost certainly see installed as president someone who is in their control.
	So how should we view Maduro himself?
	Is it a loss to the pro-white community because he was anti-Zionist?
	Or, you know, should we care that much about it?
	Where should our chips be put on the table with regards to exactly Maduro himself?
	Yeah, and I mean, Zodi's got a good point about this.
	For somebody like Maduro, Maduro needed to have his darker-skinned masses as his support network to maintain power.
	Typical South American populist.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	White Hispanics are a minority within these regions.
	So if you are a populist, if you're a left-wing populist or Marxist populist, having that dark-skinned horde behind you helps.
	And this is, by the way, what's happening here in these United States right now.
	The writing is on the wall.
	That's what they're trying to get to, is a white minority that can then be dominated by a dark-skinned majority through Marxist policies.
	So, this is all that's what that is, and he's just sort of a spokesperson for his specific country.
	There's no question that Maduro is a bad guy.
	I've got nothing, I have no sympathy for Maduro specifically.
	Again, my biggest issue is that he's not a good competent, too, I think.
	Well, he's a former school bus teacher, school bus driver.
	That's where he was.
	He was hand-selected because he would be a puppet that could then be as a populist puppet that would then be run by people that are smarter than him.
	And that's what he was the purpose of his selection, I should say, by Chavez.
	You know, so this is what he, so he's no, he's no good guy.
	The only thing is, again, I go back to the idea that, yeah, he's bad.
	I don't like this whole left-wing populace.
	I don't like the brown hordes being ginned up against whites in general and white interests.
	But at the same time, every single time we go in and destabilize a country, it results in a regime change that costs us some blood, sweat, and tears, treasures, really.
	And that blood is spilled by predominantly white men, especially white men from the South.
	For the benefit of Israel.
	For the benefit of Israel?
	Yeah, benefit of some other brown-skinned people or whatever it may be, but especially for Israel.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So, again, I go back to the idea that Maduro is bad.
	Yes.
	Is he anti-white?
	100%.
	I don't care about him personally.
	But at the same time, I don't want to see another southern mother from Tennessee weeping over her son's grave because of all interests of Israel.
	I just don't want to see it anymore.
	That's a fantastic answer, and it is the correct answer.
	And we will see where this goes.
	And where this goes is something that is changing daily.
	If you're listening live right now on Saturday evening, by tomorrow, a lot of this stuff could be stale because things are going to continue to evolve here.
	And where will it evolve?
	I mean, what do you make of all of this bluster now coming from the likes of Lindsey Graham?
	And yes, unfortunately, the president himself.
	Cuba's next.
	What a he-man, Lindsey Graham.
	Then we're going to do it to Columbia and Greenland's back on the dock.
	I mean, where are we?
	I mean, a month from now, a year from now, are they really going to try to do that?
	I mean, that's the most ambitious budget.
	It fits into that theory of American dominance in the Western hemisphere.
	At least Bush only did it one at a time.
	I mean, you know, when he tried to do things like this.
	And you think there will be boots on the ground, and will this expand to other nations?
	Well, there have to be boots on the ground.
	No question about it.
	Again, like I said, the infrastructure is so deeply interconnected on Chavez-Maduroism that it wounds up being you have to have some kind of boots on the ground in order to put Machado in.
	That's going to happen no matter what.
	Whether we're going to go over the place, first of all, it always shocks me that South Carolina has not one but two gay senators that were sent up to Washington, D.C.
	I do not understand that.
	One of them.
	I mean, I love South Carolina, and I love the real good South Carolinians, and I just don't get it.
	But, you know, I think with Trump, I think Trump is using this as a strategic way to kind of, hey, you're all put on notice.
	Any of y'all decide to step out of your lane, I'm going to come in and hit you on the head.
	I think that's what Trump is trying to do.
	And I think he's going to use it because he's, I'll give him this: Trump is one of the master negotiators, and knowing that we could send in a Delta force overnight and pull you out of your bed while you've got pretty well-trained guards around you, it could be pretty scary stuff.
	So I'm sure that's part of where Trump's next to him.
	He's a Cuban guard, is that right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, he had well-trained Cubans, yeah.
	But, you know, he's got that.
	I think Lindsey Graham, on the other hand, is a little bit more of an idealist.
	I think this is definitely within his pro-Israel wheelhouse.
	I'm sure they've got video of him with some kind of male lover or something.
	I don't know what they're doing, but it very well could be possible.
	I do not know how a state goes from Strom Thurmond to Lindsey Graham.
	I mean, I just don't get it.
	And John Calhoun, yeah.
	I mean, it is crazy.
	South Carolina is one of the greatest states.
	Well, you know, I love Mississippi.
	I mean, but it's a southern state.
	It's one of the best.
	So anyway, it's a question there.
	But now, so again, this could be expanded.
	And the question has been asked, and I still view Trump, I think, certainly more favorably than you do, Padrick.
	And there has been some good that he's done.
	This is not discounted because we're having this discussion, in my opinion.
	But this is a very curious thing, and how it plays out will be made known to us over the course of the next few weeks, months, and years, potentially.
	But people have said, well, you know, why didn't he clean up Minnesota first?
	It is interesting that you can remake the world in your image far easier.
	An American president can do something like this far easier than he can take care of business in one of his own states.
	Well, it's the truth, though.
	That's exactly the reality he's dealing with.
	There's no Judge Bozberg on the national court.
	I think the issue you have, and that's a big part of it, right?
	You got these national, these various federal judges, what have you.
	And of course, you have the state-to-state issues.
	I do find it interesting and quite funny, actually, is that every Yankee that has absolutely supported the invasion of the South to suppress secession is now whining about the fact that there are federal officers in their states.
	And so there's a little bit of, you know, so to me, it's kind of like, well, here's a little bit of, here's a taste of karma for you.
	How would you like to wash that down?
	Well, how the worm turned.
	Right, right.
	So I do, you know, when you look at what's happening on the federal side, and this is where my big concern is, really, is that, you know, when you look at Maduro and you look at these foreign policy issues, because they're sexy in terms of news stories, they're big, shiny objects.
	And what they often do is they take the focus off of the domestic concerns that are really important.
	Maduro has dominated the news cycle while the Somali case, the Somali issue, has sort of dampened down.
	Yeah, Waltz deciding to resign or not resign, but not seek re-election was the only reason why the Somali issue at all was kept in the news.
	That and a random Hilton that I had seen that had denied ICE agents a room.
	But aside from that, you really don't see much more about the Somali fraudsters anymore.
	Why?
	Because every time Maduro, everybody talking about the Russian, you know, the idea that we took a, on Wednesday, we took a Russian tanker by force and we fired on a Russian submarine to warn it away.
	It was escorting Venezuelan oil in a Russian tanker.
	I mean, this is the kind of stuff that winds up grabbing headlines a lot faster.
	And then all of a sudden, next thing you know, we're not looking at Somali fraudsters anymore, and they're just getting away with the same old stuff and destroying a country from within.
	All right, Patrick, I can't thank you enough again for really setting the standard for how our side should be discussing and addressing this, what promises to be an ever-evolving political situation here in Venezuela and elsewhere.
	With about a minute remaining, give us a final summation of where you see this going in at least the very near future.
	I see troops in the ground.
	I just don't see there's any way to avoid it at this stage.
	It'll be a large-scale operation.
	There will be trillions of dollars in order to bring back those oil companies.
	We've already promised to give them some level of subsidies to bring them back in to cultivate that Venezuelan oil.
	So now we're talking about U.S. dollars where we'll be spending billions of dollars to build up an oil infrastructure in a foreign country, putting our own men on the ground, potentially in harm's way, largely to benefit the oil interests, really the long-term artificial intelligence interests of a foreign state, Israel.
	And that's where I see us going in the short term.
	And I just see us getting sucked into a quagmire we cannot control.
	We'll see how it plays out, but I wouldn't want to bet against the opinion of Patrick Martin.
	He is a guy.
	I mean, we reestablished his credentials earlier this hour, if you didn't know.
	But a great guy, Southern Nationalist, and we worked on the book together.
	He was the editor, contributor to the Honorable Cause, a Free South.
	We did that a few years ago.
	It was great working with you on that.
	It's always great to talk to you, Patrick, no matter what the issue, no matter where we meet or where our paths cross, and breaking bread with you in South Carolina.
	Let me make a summation.
	As it always is, it's Jews, right?
	All right.
	Well, I think Jose Nino would probably agree with that, and we'll get his take next.
	Patrick, thank you again for being with us tonight.
	I'll talk to you again soon, and we'll see where this goes.
	God bless, gentlemen.
	Take care.

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