Oct. 26, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
If you can believe it, ladies and gentlemen, it was 21 years ago tomorrow that an AM talk radio show called The Political Cesspool first went on the air.
21 years.
We are celebrating that milestone anniversary tonight.
And Keith, again, I say, my friend, of so many years and for so many hours on the radio, hell of a ride.
A lot of accomplishments, still so many more to come.
We've just reached adulthood.
21 years.
Well, there's been a lot of great interviews over those years, a lot of great things, a lot of great conferences.
We've been talking to some folks tonight about that.
But if you go into our broadcast archives, which is littered with treasures, I assure you of that, you might want to pay a special attention to the broadcast of September the 2nd, 2023.
That was the night that Mark Time made his debut appearance.
It's hard to believe that it's already been two years.
The debut appearance of Mark Time to discuss his action-packed book, The Man in the Mirror.
Mark Time is back with us tonight this Halloween weekend on our 21st anniversary, no less, to talk about his most recent book, Stimulosis, also published by Antelope Hill Publishing.
Mark, it is great to have you back.
How are you tonight?
And happy Halloween.
I'm doing excellent, and thank you so much for having me on the show on such an auspicious anniversary.
Indeed.
Well, thank you for being with us tonight.
And when the Antelope Hill Editorial Board mentioned that perhaps we should have you on back in September for this particular title, I said, wait a minute, let's just, Taylor, hold on a second.
Why don't we do a second interview about the culture of critique?
Because I'd really like to have Mark on that last week before Halloween.
And so that was agreed upon.
And for good reason, I think, or at least in theory, I hope.
This is a little bit about a bit of information about the book Stimulosis available for your purchase tonight at AnalopehillPublishing.com.
A horror festers beneath the Pentagon.
The Empire's sins and successes bubble from the same poisoned spring.
Lieutenant Commander Richard Malden found the truth down there, the rotten, detestable truth.
Placed on a journey of discovery beyond his control, he unearthed the secret behind the vitality of the nation's gods and was locked away for his trespass.
Snatched from his torment by a rogue religious guerrilla group, his story is revealed to his newfound captors and the reader alike.
Antelope Hill Publishing is proud to present Mark Time's second novel, A Jolting and Unforgettable Journey into the Shadows.
This Halloween week, we hide from the truths we fight to uncover.
Revealed to this author through a series of dreams.
Stimulosis is an unflinching look beyond the altar of the American Project.
Mark Time, its author, I can't wait to hear more about it.
Tell us now.
Yeah, it was quite the book to write and quite the book to experience as an author.
As I said in the end of my back cover intro there, that the central premise and central parts of this book actually came from a series of nightmares.
And whatever stock you can put into that is the same sort of stock you'd put into dreams themselves and their meanings, whether they're just random collections of chemicals or whether they can mean something more than that.
But more broadly, the book is an examination of what it means to exist under the thumb of the American empire, as it were.
All right, so tell us more.
I mean, was there anything about current events or well, what was the inspiration for this particular title and this particular topic?
Well, it comes from, like I said, the dreams, but also there's strong parallels in terms of current events with the Jeffrey Epstein scandal and his ties to core centers of power in our government, how the system is undergirded by sort of systematic blackmail and exploitation.
So, I mean, is that actually a fact that the inspiration for this book came to you through dreams?
Absolutely, it's a fact.
And it was one of the strangest series of experiences of my life.
Dreams so vivid more than any others that I've had.
And there are sections, large sections of the book lifted straight from those dreams.
So I'd probably put the ratio of the contents of the book about 40% is directly from dreams.
And then 40%, I'd say, is personal experience, and the remainder is my own artistic license.
Well, Keith, as you know, dreams can change civilizations.
They can rewire.
I always have a Freudian slip between when I pronounce on this program especially right and white.
I mean, they are interchangeable in a lot of ways.
But dreams can rewrite the entire history of the world.
Think of Constantine, for example.
And now with this, Mark Time, but there can be inspiration.
There can be profound takeaways from dreams.
And so we are talking about stimulosis this Halloween weekend.
Give us a little bit more, Mark, about the entire plot of the book.
It is a work of fiction.
So normally when we have people on, it is autobiographies.
It is issue-oriented topics that propel them to write.
I do believe it is very important for the right to engage in the arts, to engage in fiction, to engage in— And to explore the world of imagination.
And absolutely.
So let's talk a little bit more about the plot of what's going on in this story.
Yeah, so Lieutenant Commander Richard Malden is a naval officer, and he is just coming off a taxing sea tour and has landed a prestigious shore tour at the Pentagon.
And he is a careerist through and through.
All of his maneuvering career-wise has led to this moment to get all the space-time in the world with an admiral.
And he has his own eyes at command, admiralty, etc.
And when he comes upon DC, it's something far beyond than what he expected.
It's a much darker place than he ever anticipated, despite having been there before.
And during one of his nights in the Pentagon, he discovers something underneath in the basement that upends all of his preconceived notions about the government he served and the values that he held before.
That's the really broad-stroke premise of the book.
So again, this is a release of Jackalope Hill, which is the imprint for works of fiction of Antelope Hill Publishing, but it's all under the same umbrella, the same family, of course.
So in writing this book, Mark, I would be interested to know the takeaways you want your readers to find.
Well, I think the main takeaway that I think everyone should come away with is that the system is inherently evil.
It is undergirded by evil.
It is supported by evil.
And it is sustained by evil.
And the reader is free to draw their own conclusions from that fact, but you have to at least get onto that level of acknowledging the evil that undergirds and propagates our system.
So that theme is reiterated throughout the whole book.
So I'm always fascinated to know when Antelope Hill, because it is not something they don't take every title on.
They say no a lot.
When you pitched this, you had a previously standing relationship with them from your work with The Man in the Mirror in 2023.
But when you pitched this to them, what was the process of that like?
Well, I pitched them the entire book.
I had had it completely written and buttoned up for them to take a look through.
And I didn't mention, well, I mentioned the fact that much of it came from Dreams, but I didn't make that a central focus.
And independent of its inspiration, I think it stands on its own as just an interesting work of fiction, regardless of its inspiration.
Well, hold on right there.
When we come back, we will talk with Mark a little bit more about his latest book, published very recently by Antelope Hill.
It's Halloween weekend, and we thought this would be the pick from their portfolio that would most closely match the season.
We'll get the author's take when we come back.
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Why don't we say to the government writ large that they have to spend a little bit less?
Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last?
Anybody better have a 1% pay cut?
You deal with it.
That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut.
If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
Who are they?
Republicans.
Who are they?
Democrats.
Who are they?
Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money.
So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere.
The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning.
What's the day of reckoning?
The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
Happy Halloween to everyone out there.
I am so thankful that God saw fit for me to be born a European.
I mean, this is our time.
The winner is what made us who we are.
I mean, in so many ways, having to figure out how to stay alive in those long, cold, dark, and I mean bitterly cold northern European climates.
I mean, we can't relate to that, Keith, as southerners.
We're on the same line of latitude as Libya.
You've got to go several lines up to get to where our ancestors came from.
And believe you me, as cold as it is in the South even, in December, January, it's a hell of a lot colder in Northern Europe.
And so this is a special and spiritual time for our people.
The gathering of the harvest and this thin veil between the worlds, as they say, at Halloween time.
And it's just, well, it's a lot of fun in addition to all of that.
And we have now with us an author from the Antelope Hill Stable of Talent, Mark Time, who's wrote a book.
I mean, at least the closest book I could find in their portfolio at Antelope HillPublishing.com, Stimulosis by Mark Time.
A horror festers beneath the Pentagon.
That's how the beginning of the back cover reads.
I mean, that definitely makes me think of Halloween in this time of year.
Mark, back to you and back to you about your book.
Why should people buy it tonight?
And with any haste of the United States Postal Service, receive it before October 31st.
Well, I think you should take a look at this book because it explores not only the sort of material evil undergirding the American state, but also the spiritual sickness that pervades every last little bit of it.
I try to explore in my writing the close intersection of the physical and the spiritual and how the spiritual is not just a neutral sort of ether.
There are positive and negative forces, certainly.
And our leaders are dominated by the negative spiritual forces at play, servants of Satan himself.
And you should take a look at this book as a work of fiction, of course, but you should be able to draw parallels between what you see in the book and what you see in real life and maybe see parallels you didn't notice before.
This is Keith Alexander.
I was just curious, how would you describe your writing style?
Are you more like a Robert Louis Stevenson or an Edgar Allan Poe or a Bram Stoker?
Or is there any previous writer of horror that you think inspired you?
Well, I think it is fascinating to have, it's always fascinating to have people contributing to the arts from the perspective of the right, engaging in works of fiction, because that is just not common on our side.
Mark, so answer Keith's question and tie it into that.
Yeah, well, let me start off by saying I don't really ever read horror, to be honest with you.
And moreover, I mostly don't read fiction at all.
I'm really more of a nonfiction reader.
Now, of course, I'm asking people to read my fiction book, but the fiction works that have made the largest impact on me as a writer and just as a story crafter, my number one favorite fictional book is Camp of the Saints by Jean Rospell.
And you could really classify that as a work of horror, maybe stretching the definition a little bit.
So maybe that's my best answer to that question.
Other authors that have made a large impact on my writing style would be F. Scott Fitzgerald.
I love his beautiful prose.
I can't say that I emulate it too closely in terms of its floweriness, but I do quite enjoy his writing.
And engaging with the arts from the position of the right is an exceptionally valuable task.
And I think a lot of the times it's done very poorly because it just kind of turns into this bizarre fantasy fulfillment of the author of the way things should be because the author has the sole control over the world of the book.
But I think a better perspective from the right to contribute to the arts is depicting the world as it is, even through the use of allegory and less defined forms.
Do you have any other works of fiction like this that you are considering putting pen to paper on?
We are actually going to revisit his previous title, The Man in the Mirror, in just a moment.
But with regards to, I think, what Keith is asking, forthcoming inspirations.
Are you thinking that far ahead yet?
Yes, I am, actually.
So it's great that you're having me on during the fall Halloween season because the book actually takes place during this very time of year.
And that's important because my previous book took place during the summer.
So I intend to write four novels in a grouping corresponding to the four seasons.
So I've written my summer novel, which is The Man in the Mirror, and Stimulosis has been my fall novel.
I intend on writing a winter and spring novel.
And each book corresponds in its themes to the corresponding type of themes and messages and pervading feelings of each season.
So The Man in the Mirror being a summer novel was all about struggle and the value of work and the value of fighting for what you believe in.
And then this novel being in the fall deals with themes of decay and impending doom and the impending menace of the winter, even if it's not present yet.
And then so on and so forth to the next two seasons.
Which is appropriate for the season that we are currently in.
Here now, what, six days, if you're listening live, six days prior to Halloween, this harvest season, they call it autumn in Europe.
We call it fall in the United States because the leaves fall, you know, we're not quite as.
I believe the leaves fall in Europe, too.
Well, but I mean, we just call it fall.
Autumn is a little bit more elegant in Latin, but nevertheless, this is a book for this season.
Would you not agree, Mark?
Yeah, absolutely.
The themes are all about the kind of decay and impending finality of fall.
And the book explores how the system itself is in its sort of autumnal state of decline.
Let me ask you this.
How is it like Camp of the Saints?
Or is it?
Well, I wouldn't say it's greatly like Camp of the Saints, though I do make several references to it.
For instance, the phrase, the thousand years are over now, is a phrase that I quote directly from Camp of the Saints into stimulosis in the mouth of the character named Jacob Green, who is a very close analog to Jeffrey Epstein in real life.
And Jacob Green similarly refers to God as, he says it quite blasphemously, the nice little God of the Christians, which is another quoted phrase from Camp of the Saints.
So in terms of plot devices, there's really not that much similar between Camp of the Saints and my own book, but I do make reference to it because I like it so much.
Well, is there any similarity in your writing style to George Orwell?
Well, I can't say I've read too much of his work, so I suppose I can't really comment on that.
Okay.
But you can, Keith.
Well, I haven't read his book, so I can't comment on that.
But you're connecting the dots, yes?
Well, you know, quite frankly, Orwell's novels are dystopian, and yours sounds like it's dystopian, too.
Let's talk about the dystopian nature of your writing, Mark.
Yes.
Yeah, so I mean, that's a common thread between both of my novels at this point, is that they're dystopic in their own unique ways.
The Man in the Mirror is centered more on the dystopic, overbearing administrative state, whereas this novel is almost a spiritual dystopia, how the spiritual forces at work and their prevalence in the American system create a mass pandemic of spiritual sickness amongst the elites and the people they rule over.
A Malaise?
Absolutely.
Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
And here, just in time for spooky season, Halloween, the harvest season, a season so important to the evolution of our people in Northern Europe.
This time of fall, as we call it here in the United States, or autumn, as they call it in Europe.
I mean, maybe a few people here call it autumn as well.
The book is by Mark Time, and it is at antelopehillpublishing.com.
Stimulosis.
When was this released, Mark?
Not that long ago.
No, it was just released, as I recall, at the beginning of September.
So which is which plays which falls in line with the recommendation of Taylor Young, our good friend.
I was with Taylor a few days ago for him recommending it for the September showcase here for Antelope Hill Publishing's monthly hit on TPC, the last hour of the last Saturday of every month.
And I said, well, again, you know, I just mentioned it.
Let's just hold off on Mark.
Let's have him back on in October.
I just think that's just more timely.
And that's what we're doing tonight.
And, well, for reasons we have already mentioned.
Stimulosis is the name of the book.
AntelopehillPublishing.com is where you can get it.
We will be back with Mark Time for a few more minutes after the break.
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News this hour from Town Hall.
I'm Mary Rose.
There has been a deadly weekend party in North Carolina, correspondent Donna Warder reports.
The sheriff in Robinson County, North Carolina says 13 people were shot at a large weekend party near Maxton in the southeastern part of the state.
Two of the 13 were killed.
Authorities say more than 150 people fled the scene of the party when officers arrived.
And they're asking anyone with information about what happened to contact sheriff's investigators.
Authorities say no one has been arrested, but there is no current threat to the community.
And the shooting appears to be an isolated incident.
I'm Donna Warder.
This past week, President Trump and Australia Prime Minister Anthony Albanese signed a critical minerals deal at the White House as the continent's rich rare earth resources.
And economist Steve Moore finds it shocking that the U.S. depends on China for critical minerals.
The United States has more of these minerals, the critical minerals, the precious minerals, the rare earths, than any other country in the world.
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J.P. Morgan Chase wants out of paying a $115 million legal tab for convicted fraudsters.
For nearly three years, J.P. Morgan Chase has picked up the legal tab of Charlie Javis and Olivier Amar, the two convicted fraudsters who sold their financial aid startup, Frank, to the bank.
But the bank said in a court filing late Friday that the two have racked up an astronomical nine-figure legal bill that far exceeds any reasonable amount that the two may have needed for the defense.
According to the filing, Javis's team of lawyers across five law firms have billed J.P. Morgan approximately $60.1 million in legal fees and expenses, while Amar's lawyers have billed the bank roughly $55.2 million in fees.
Bernie Bennett reporting.
More on these stories at townhall.com.
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You know,
Alfred Hitchcock kind of looked a little bit like Winston Churchill, but I liked him a hell of a lot better.
And I can remember, Keith, I can remember, you know, take away.
But to say that Churchill was a lot scarier than Hitchcock.
I can remember, you know, I was born in 1980.
But even as a young boy in the 1980s, I can remember a lot of this stuff on rerun.
And Alfred Hitchcock would be on reruns, and I watched a lot of those black and white Alfred Hitchcock.
That was great stuff.
I mean, I don't know what his politics were.
He looked like Winston Churchill, but it was a good show.
Well, Boris Karloff tried to do his version of it.
I think it lasted about one season, but it was excellent to have a kind of gentlemanly person providing you with suspense and horror.
And have you watched any of that, Mark?
Yeah, a small amount.
I have.
There you go.
So, I mean, you know, I was born in 1980.
I still saw it.
I mean, even as the late as the 80s, it was still sort of like new for the reruns.
And he's staying over at my grandparents' house.
Nick at Knight had a lot of this stuff.
You know, Nick at Knight.
Do you remember Nick at Knight or Nickelodeon?
Yeah, I do.
And I remember also that you had people like Vincent Price and Peter Cushing and whatnot.
And Peter Vincent from Friday Night, Rodney McDowell.
Follow the House of Usher and things like this.
The gentleman of the decadent gentleman type of.
Well, you know, this is Mark.
I'd like to get your opinion on this.
And then we're going to go to your previous book, your other published work at antelopehillpublishing.com, The Man in the Mirror.
But I think there is something here that we're stabbing at, gentlemen, that is unique to the European experience.
And that is, of course, I mean, this time of fall, this time of transcending moving into this time of darkness and cold.
And even if you go back to the European fairy tales, I mean, we played the song by Sam the Sham earlier in the show tonight, Little Red Riding Hood.
I mean, these tales are dark.
These actual fairy tales, if you go back and read the original fairy tales.
Fairy tales, yes.
Very dark, appropriately named because they were grim.
Little Red Riding Hood, her grandmother, they get eaten by the wolf.
I mean, the Pied Piper, that's another one from, you know, that's German fairy tale of the Pied Piper.
Three little pigs.
That's also a great song, by the way.
But The Pied Piper by Chris Penn St. Peters, you know that?
I've had to play that one before the end of the night.
But, I mean, there's something about this, this darkness, that is uniquely European.
I don't know what it is, Mark, but I mean, I think in a way you're tapping into it.
Give us one more word about your most recent title with antelopehillpublishing.com.
Stimulosis.
Yeah, an opus for sure.
And then we'll get into your previous one.
Stimulosis, one last word by its author, Mark Time.
Yeah, I encourage everyone to come check it out.
I think you hit it on the head about there's this sort of heightened awareness of spiritual forces around this time of year.
And you could say that's due to heightened activity or just simply heightened awareness.
I think spiritual forces are always active.
I want to emphasize to the reader that while there's massive darkness that I depict in this book, I emphasize the triumph of God and light at the end.
So, of course, that's no spoiler.
But the book itself may help you learn some things about the history of this country.
And I bake a lot of real history into the fictional story.
And it may surprise the reader what truly is the real story of this country and what's not.
And I think a lot of people are really going to enjoy it.
It's a great book to read at this time of year or any time of year.
Get it tonight at antelopehillpublishing.com.
While you're there, search for Mark Time.
And you'll find his previous book.
And just in case you weren't tuned in that first Saturday of September of 2023, when Mark made his debut appearance on this broadcast, we'll tell you about the man in the mirror while we still have time.
The Man in the Mirror by Mark Time.
Here's the background.
Joe Blaine is an average young man, but after a series of catastrophic events in his life, he becomes, his world becomes changed forever.
Launched into a perilous journey he would have never chosen, but one he sorely needs.
Joe learns the true value of struggle in a time when everyone would deem it pointless.
That sounds like us as white people a few years ago, but maybe not so much now.
In Joe's world, gone are the days of a typical coming-of-age story as society obscures and abuses its people.
Instead, Joe is forced through adversity to take an honest look at himself and reconcile all of his actions and inactions with the man he sees staring back at him.
As a result, Joe discovers that what seems like a mere chance or inevitability is in reality the intersection of the deliberate actions of others and the guiding hand of Providence.
And I think, Mark, that ties into exactly what you were just saying a moment ago about your most recent title.
But with just a couple of minutes remaining with you tonight, let's go back to your first, published by antelopehillpublishing.com, The Man in the Mirror.
Yeah, The Man in the Mirror was, of course, my debut novel.
And the central theme is struggle, even if it seems like there's no point.
Because if everyone believed and thought that, then nothing would ever get done.
Someone has to stand up and start the fight, even when you don't really even see anyone around you doing the same.
But it just takes one person at the right time in the right place doing the right things to inspire others.
And that's the central takeaway I want people to come away with from The Man in the Mirror is that the time to struggle and the time to make yourself better, the time to make your people better is not.
There's something so wholly European about that, Keith Alexander.
The time to struggle, the time to band together is this time of darkness and cold.
And that is what played so much into our evolutionary becoming as Europeans and as the people who conquered the world through the age of exploration.
We were just celebrating Columbus Day a couple of weeks ago at the first Saturday of this month.
I mean, this is, there's something about this time that just feels like us.
Well, to put an analogy to our show, I think that dark night and the decadence basically describe the period of time when we first got on the air, and now we're in a springtime.
Maybe a fall springtime.
Well, I don't know.
But Mark, take your take on that.
Do you believe that now?
No, The George Harrison song, Here Comes the Sun.
Do you think the Sun is coming?
Do you think there is a new dawn for Western kind, for our people, through this long cold autumn and winter that we've been through the last several decades?
Well, I certainly pray that.
And as a separate note, if you believe in God or a Christian, we do people too.
Of course, if you are a Christian, you owe a duty to pray for your people.
And I think a lot of Christians neglect that.
But to answer your question, I think we're seeing just the starting glimmers of a dawn.
But I, as maybe a perhaps more natural pessimist, think the dawn is still quite a ways off.
There are these almost false starts that may happen many times, but one of these times, it's not going to be a false start, even though it may begin in much the same way.
I think we're seeing a flowering of awareness about the true nature of our plight, and that may bloom into something far greater and something far more useful than it has in the past.
Well, let me say this.
The bloom may not be shining on us, but I think that the darkness is definitely falling on the left because they are losing power and influence and have basically been unmasked for the anti-human agenda that they represent.
And in my opinion, over the past several years.
Well, we may not live to see it all, but I do believe the sun will shine on subsequent generations.
I do believe that.
Mark Time, our guest this hour.
Go to antelopehillpublishing.com.
Get his book, his first book, The Man in the Mirror, but of course the book we've been covering tonight, Stimulosis.
Mark, thanks for being with us on our 21st anniversary weekend.
How about that?
And Halloween weekend to boot.
We appreciate you so much.
We'll be back with a final word to close out 21 years next.
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From communion with the dead to pumpkins and pranks, Halloween is a patchwork holiday stitched together with cultural, religious, and occult traditions that span centuries.
It all began with the Celts, a people whose culture had spread across Europe more than 2,000 years ago.
October 31st was the day they celebrated the end of the harvest season in a festival called Sowhen.
That night also marked the Celtic New Year and was considered a time between years, a magical time when the ghost of the dead walked the earth.
It was the time when the veil between death and life was supposed to be at its thinnest.
On Samhain, the villagers gathered and lit huge bonfires to drive the dead back to the spirit world and keep them away from the living.
But as the Catholic Church's influence grew in Europe, it frowned on the pagan rituals like Samhain.
In the 7th century, the Vatican began to merge it with a church-sanctioned holiday.
So November 1st was designated All Saints Day to honor martyrs and the deceased faithful.
Both of these holidays had to do with the afterlife and about survival after death.
It was a calculated move on the part of the church to bring more people into the fold.
All Saints Day was known then as Hallows.
Hallow means holy or saintly.
So the translation is roughly Mass of the Saints.
The night before, October 31st, was All Hallows' Eve, which gradually morphed into Halloween.
The holiday came to America with the wave of Irish immigrants during the potato famine of the 1840s.
They brought several of their holiday customs with them, including bobbing for apples and playing tricks on neighbors, like removing gates from the front of houses.
The young pranksters wore masks so they wouldn't be recognized.
But over the years, the tradition of harmless tricks grew into outright vandalism.
Back in the 1930s, it really became a dangerous holiday.
I mean, there was such hooliganism and vandalism.
Trick-or-treating was originally an extortion deal.
Give us candy or we'll trash your house.
Storekeepers and neighbors began giving treats or bribes to stop the tricks, and children were encouraged to travel door to door for treats as an alternative to troublemaking.
By the late 30s, trick-or-treat became the holiday greeting.
Beautiful time of year.
I love it.
It is a favorite, and it is the beginning of what we call the holiday season, Thanksgiving, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Eve.
The next couple of months is the best time of the year.
There's no doubt about it.
And for us here on TPC, the most fun.
And no Halloween broadcast would be complete, or at least the last Saturday before Halloween, without Courtney from Alabama.
Courtney has been with us for so long.
We are also celebrating our 21st anniversary on the air tonight and this week.
And she's been a part of that as well on the show and at conferences.
And Courtney, with the last few minutes, it all goes to you to wrap up tonight's show.
Our last few minutes before Halloween.
When we come back with you next week, it'll be November 1st, Keith, if you can believe it.
That's how fast this year is going.
We had a hell of a conference.
Hell of a big, important conference earlier this year.
Courtney was there.
She's been with us for so long.
Not done yet.
No, not even close.
Courtney, to you.
Hey, thank you for having me on.
I feel like, you know, I've had so much going on lately.
I've missed being on, but I'm glad you all were able to have me tonight.
Well, you know, you have come on in the past for full hours in advance of Halloween, our last show before Halloween.
And so it always just feels right to have you on this time of year.
And you're on with us throughout the year, Valentine's Day, Confederate History.
No, no, Confederate History Month.
I mean, you know, she's with us.
She's a regular.
She's a mainstay.
She's a contributor.
But Halloween is especially special.
But you're back on tonight for that reason, but a slightly different take.
What is it?
I wanted to, I mean, I do love this time of year.
We went and picked out Pumpkins today, and it felt so nice out.
It was nice and cool and cloudy.
You know, it looked more like Scotland than Alabama.
It was kind of nice.
So anyway, I wanted to talk about football.
And I'm glad Keith is on for this.
I just, you know, as the audience knows, as the audience knows, I stopped watching football a long time ago.
Alabama and Auburn football are big in my family.
And I vaguely keep up with it, you know, to keep my family happy, I guess, but I don't really want to sit through a game anymore.
It's almost impossible living in Alabama to ignore it altogether, right?
Right.
Oh, yeah.
But I just, you know, I thought of another reason recently as to why I don't like it anymore.
It's turned into, college football has turned into the Olympics, where a conference has teams in it that are from states outside its region.
I mean, what is it supposed to mean anymore?
The Southeastern Conference still, you know, basically has all its teams, you know, from southern states.
But even there, you know, I don't, I don't know what that means anymore because, you know, you can look at the Alabama, you can look at the Alabama football roster.
Half the people on it, if not more, are from outside of Alabama.
And what is it supposed to mean anymore?
Like, you want to cheer for a team that represents you, your people.
I mean, unless, you know, the Alabama football team or the Auburn football team, unless they're made out of, you know, good Southern boys from Alabama, you know, entirely, it's like, why should I want to watch it?
It doesn't represent me anymore.
So I know.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Don't let me interrupt.
Oh, no.
That's my main thought on the matter, I guess.
But I'll let you talk now.
Well, I remember when the Southeastern Conference was racially integrated.
It used to be a racially segregated conference.
In fact, SEC teams would basically participate in postseason bowls in the Sugar Bowl rather than the Rose Bowl or others because there is all this pressure of the civil rights movement to play racially integrated teams from outside of the South.
Well, when it did integrate in 1972, the top football coach and the top basketball coach retired that year.
The basketball coach was Adolph Rupp of Kentucky.
He was the number one basketball coach in the SEC.
And at the time, Johnny Vaught of Ole Miss was the top football coach of the SEC.
And I had a friend who was a, I guess you would say, apprentice of a sort with the Memphis Press Semitor and a guy named Bill Sarrels, who was the beat writer for Ole Miss.
And according to this fellow, he asked Johnny Vaught if his retirement had anything to do with the racial integration of the league.
And what he said, what Vought said, he swore the guy to secrecy.
He said, yes, it did.
And he said, why was that?
He said, well, he said, once you racially integrate the league, the black players will insist upon being paid.
It doesn't matter what the rules are.
They don't play by the rules.
And he said, then that will put a coach in a Hobson's choice.
You'll either have to pay the players.
And as a result of that, you may win for a while, but you'll eventually be caught and then you'll be disgracefully banished from the game.
Or you can take the high road and not pay anybody.
And what will happen is that you'll lose and be fired for losing.
So he said, under the circumstances, I would just as soon give up on the whole thing.
So, you know, basically what we're seeing now with NIL money paying and whatnot is the flowering of what Johnny Vaught and Adolph Rupp saw was going to happen to their sports and to the Southeastern Conference back in 1972.
Rupp Arena, I have been there.
I was there in Lexington, Kentucky, a week after I met Pat Buchanan, going back 21 years on the show now, 25 years for my involvement in this whole thing.
I went to Rup Arena.
I just wanted to see it.
I was in Lexington with Pat.
I went there just to see it.
And Courtney, listen, it's Halloween.
It's a special time.
I know you love it.
I love it.
Our kids love it.
And it's a special time for kids and parents alike.
We went to a trucker treat thing last week.
Excuse me, last week, last night.
It was last night.
The kids, they were just giving gobs of candy to the kids' bags.
And I've been eating Kit Kats and Butterfingers ever since.
Courtney, happy Halloween to you.
Thank you for being with us tonight to talk a little bit about, you know, the fall festivity of football.
But for being with us, most importantly, for 21 years, I mean, you've been a part of the fabric of this program.
Happy Halloween and happy 21st anniversary to you and your involvement in this show as well.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'd have to say, you know, I know this is no surprise.
I'd have to say my favorite show every year is always Confederate History Month.
Well, we'll be there again soon.
I will plan on it anyway.
I mean, March isn't that far away.
It's like, you know, the commercials and the businesses, they start promoting the next season about a month before the current season.
So like they're already, you know, Halloween comes out after the 4th of July.
They're already got all the Christmas stuff up now.
It's done.
Halloween's next week.
But yeah, I mean, you know, you start looking ahead.
You do.
I mean, they've already got Christmas stuff out.
Let me ask you this.
Are you a member of the UDC, Courtney?
All right, we got seconds remaining.
Like one second.
Are you there?
I'm there.
All right, we'll find out.
We'll find out.
But until then, happy 21st anniversary to everyone who's given us an opportunity to be here this long.