Oct. 5, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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That one comes on, Keith.
All you can do is just close your eyes and fall to your knees.
That's what it does.
You know, that's just that good.
Was that a Phil Specter?
That was sure.
You know, it had to be.
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That was Curtis Lee, a one-hit wonder for the most part, but that was a Spectre production.
Well, I tell you what, they were special.
The wall of sound, son.
The wall of sound was a real thing.
We're singing that mid to late 50s vibe tonight here at CPC.
Well, it makes us smile, and so it keeps a pep in our step.
It keeps us happy, and it keeps us rolling tonight.
Well, a lot of good news, too.
Well, you know, it's interesting because even though we fought for the wrong side, there was a certain uplift in the 1950s, and everybody was sort of just writing this high, and it was reflective in the music and in the media of the time.
Well, it was a special time.
We had a vast blue-collar middle class where a high school graduate could get an industrial job, buy a modest home, and give his family a middle-class life.
And so that sense of— That's gone now, but we had it in the 50s.
That's why I'd like to go back and capture it again.
Well, that overall sense of hope, right?
And just a sense of hopefulness was reflected in the popular music of the time.
And that's why the 50s music sounded like that and why generations.
And the public schools were excellent.
You know, basically there was upward social mobility.
Everybody from the children of millionaires on down went to public school.
If you went to a private school in the 50s when I was going to school, you're either a Roman Catholic or a problem child.
All right.
Well, let's say thank you.
Let's give thanks in October.
Thanksgiving's next month.
But we are entering into, by the way, I might add, just this really fun time of year on TPC, October, November, December.
We get into the Christmas season.
You know how much fun we have in December on the show with all the good music.
Well, we're like kids again.
We all love Christmas as children.
And we haven't lost that of, you know, magic when it comes to Christmas.
Christmas is a magical time of the year.
It's not only the religious holiday, but even the secular aspects of it are good.
Well, we have this, after all these years, we really do have this rhythm to a TPC broadcasting year and a broadcasting calendar.
And, you know, as we enter into this, the autumn season, the fall season, how important that was to Europeans and how much that climate shaped our development and helped us become who we are, having to adapt to the cold and think to survive, think to survive and all of that.
I mean, the hard time ahead to survive.
The harvest season, surviving those long, dark winters.
I mean, down here in Memphis, I mean, it's like bananas on every tree just falling in your lap.
You know, we're several lines of latitude down from northern Scotland and Norway and places like that.
See, England's on the same latitude as Labrador.
And we're on the same latitude as like Memphis, 35th parallel.
You can take it across and it's Crete, you know, which is like a semi-tropical island in the Mediterranean Sea.
You know, we do get a little bit of snow every summer.
But anyway, nevertheless, this is a spiritual and special time of year for our folk going into the harvest season and then into those long, dark, desolate European winters.
And, you know, the whole thing about Christmas, the light and the darkness, I mean, certainly the birth of Christ for Christians, but just that whole thing.
It's just wonderful.
Well, we love snow.
I mean, it's just, anyway, we're entering into a special time, and it's all special.
I mean, you know, it's all special throughout the year, from the Valentine's Day show with the ladies to march around the world.
By the way, Drew Fraser from Australia is going to be back with us tonight.
I've been intending to have him back on since last March for a couple of different reasons.
And we'll get to that this hour.
Drew from Australia is already waiting for us on Sunday morning in Australia.
It's like Sunday at, as we broadcast live tonight at 8.10 p.m. Central Time.
It's 12.10 p.m. Sunday afternoon in Australia.
And he's waiting there for us.
And we'll get to him in the next segment.
But before we do that, March Around the World, you know, all the stuff we do, the Confederate History Month, we have a great ebb and float or 12 months with you every year.
And we have traditions.
We have traditions here.
Yes, we do.
We have traditions here on the show.
We do.
And I'm looking forward to the rest of the year here with you, folks.
This is just a time of year that just makes me very exuberant.
I'm already quite exuberant and a happy warrior glass is a half a full type of warrior.
Now it's like, you know, overflowing because there's a lot of good things happening.
But I want to say thank you.
I want to give thanks early and often and really every week.
As you know, folks, autographed copies of Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique were made available exclusively to those who contributed to TPC's third quarter fundraising drive, or as I should put it, TPC's recently concluded third quarter fundraising drive because it ended at midnight on September the 30th.
Now, I am pleased to announce that all orders have been shipped, or at least they will be as of Monday.
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I'm very proud of the role that we played in the success of Dr. McDonald's new book.
I mean, connecting him with Antelope Pill and the great job they did with the production of that and the distribution of it.
I mean, it just burned up Amazon.
We had a very big hand in that.
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And to be in the middle of that in just a tiny facilitatory type of way, I take a lot of pride in it.
It's really, really, really makes me proud to have a hand in the success of the Culture of Critique 3rd Edition.
But we are working on some things behind the scenes, Keith.
We were talking about it during the last break right now that are really unprecedented for pro-white advocates on this continent in the 21st century.
That is not hyperbole, if anything, it's an understatement.
And when we can talk to you again or when we send the next letter to our donors for the Christmas fundraising appeal at Christmastime, we can share some more details.
But until then, I remain, I want you to know, I remain eternally grateful for your friendship, for your support.
I eagerly anticipate continuing to work together as we strive for the next summit.
Our culture is changing, and we're right in the middle of it, exactly where we want to be.
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We are here with you, Keith.
Well, there are true believers.
They're the people that, you know, hung with us like that old song, We Were Country When Country Wasn't Cool.
Well, we were white advocates when being a white advocate wasn't cool.
Now it has become almost stylish in some quarters to be that way.
Now, you don't want to be a Republican who isn't getting brandished as a racist.
I mean, but 21 years ago, it's a totally different story with the ADL and the SBLC.
And we rode the, you know, it was a tough, long trail, but believe me, we steadfastly kept our nose to the grindstone, and this is where it's led.
And it's leading, and it's not over yet, folks.
Well, it's not nearly over because we haven't nearly won.
I mean, we were moving in the right direction for the first time in my life, but we're not nearly to victory.
We're not anywhere close to it.
The ADL and the SBLC are very much still formidable.
However, their star is diminishing and ours is rising.
Yeah, I think you could say that.
I think you could say that.
And I think there are reasons to say that that we can't quite articulate to you yet.
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We'll be right back with Drew Fraser.
We're going to go to Blackheath, Australia, with the author of The Wasp Question, among other titles.
Professor Drew Fraser.
He's standing by.
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All right, Keith, we are still trying to connect with Drew Fraser.
I see him here on the studio monitor, but we are having trouble connecting with him, so we're going to let you take over while I work with the producer to grab him.
Okay.
Now, Drew's not on the line, right?
Okay.
Well, let me tell you folks that it's been a wild ride being with the political cesspool as long as I have.
We started out with one station here in Memphis, one radio station, terrestrial radio station, and we now have a worldwide reach because of the internet.
The internet was a great boon to conservatives and white advocates like ourselves.
It allowed us to get away from the tyranny of the mainstream media.
And the mainstream media star is descending and ours is rising now.
That's really one of the big differences that has happened over my lifetime.
And we are beneficiaries of that.
Basically, freedom of speech is more than a theory now.
It is a reality.
And we're all having to live with that.
And, you know, the SBLC and the ADL no longer, their money and their influence no longer carry the day.
Truth carries the day.
And that's why we're in the ascendancy and they're diminishing in their influence throughout the world.
Now, here in Memphis, we are the beneficiaries of one of Trump's most brilliant policies, which is sending the National Guard and the FBI and other law enforcement agencies into high crime cities in America.
This is a great, very popular program.
People, if you're not for that, basically you're for the criminals.
And that's what people are beginning to understand.
That's what's happening.
We're getting people who are, you know, criminals belong in jail, period.
That's, you know, fundamental.
And that's what we believe.
So if you don't think the criminals belong in jail, you're either stupid or you're crazy.
That's the way we look at it.
So we have no apologies for that.
And Trump is making a difference.
If we can get the criminals behind bars, then we'll have a better society.
We have criminals in places like Memphis that think that they own various parts of the city.
They have this neighborhood is for the Crips.
Another one is for the bloods.
This, that, and the other.
They control things.
They murder people.
They scare people.
They rob from people.
And there are a lot of people living in slum areas that are not for the criminals.
They are waiting, hoping that Trump's initiative is going to be good.
And I believe that it really is.
It's beginning to gain traction here in Memphis.
He's already done a great job in Washington, D.C. Some of these cities and blue strongholds like Portland, Oregon, or Seattle, Washington, or Los Angeles.
He's even making a difference there.
And the difference is that Americans no longer have to accept crime and criminality and assaults and murders like Irina Zarutska in Charlotte, North Carolina.
We no longer have to put up with that.
We're going to make sure that the people that want to wreak havoc upon our societies and our culture are put away where they belong.
Criminals need to be put behind bars.
And that's just fundamental.
And that's what's happening in America now.
I hope that we can continue to see benefits like this.
But Trump, he's always a surprise package.
He's going to give you something new.
This thing, for example, the National Guard going into these cities and the FBI beefing up their presence and stuff like this, that was kind of unexpected.
You know, he's always throwing curveballs to the left, and the left really can't keep up with him.
The left is falling apart.
When they talk about people like AOC being a presidential candidate, you know that they've hit the bottom of the barrel.
Well, that's why we have Keith Alexander here, ladies and gentlemen.
He can tread water with the best of them and make it into a damn good commentary, even when he was not prepared to do so while we were waiting to connect with Drew.
And I'm not sure what the difficulty was, but it's a long way from Memphis to Australia.
So we're lucky to have him in any capacity.
And he's back with us now.
We know.
He's munching a Vegamic sandwich probably now.
We've got him.
We've got him in Blackheath, Australia.
Drew, great to have you back tonight.
Normally, we don't talk to you unless it's March Around the World time, but this is extended play and a bonus for us and our audience tonight.
How are you, my friend?
All righty.
Just back to the Stone Age on a landline phone.
What a bummer.
Does it have a dial on it and whatnot?
A rotary phone, like we have here in the station.
Well, I'll have to talk to my producer and see how many minutes we have left on that calling card before the next segment.
But we have to pedal to keep the electricity going here.
Okay, we'll let Keith get over on the email there.
Okay.
Well, we're back with Drew Fraser.
He is, of course, as you know, the former professor of law at Macquarie University in Sydney.
And he is the author of several books, including The Wasp Question, which may be his most recognizable title, but by is no means his only.
He has a brand new book, Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus.
He has represented the nation of Australia for, as I am looking at it right now, the last seven years in our March Around the World annual series.
And we always look forward to March if for no other reason.
We know we're going to talk to Drew in March.
And Drew, the last time you were on was March the 8th of this year, and we did focus.
Well, we always talk to people about what's going on in their respective nations during March Around the World, but we did talk about your book.
So let's start there since we got a late start into this segment, and then we'll go into some other topics for the remainder of the hour.
Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus, Projects of Peoplehood from Biblical Israel to the Collapse of British Patriotism.
Give us a very quick reminder and treatment on that book, Drew.
Go, and thank you for being here.
Okay.
Well, I mean, I suppose I am an incorrigible academic because I cannot help but keep up with academic writings on theology and religion.
And there is a whole school of thought developing now that really wants to make the case for the proposition that the historical Jesus was someone who,
like the historical Paul, was focused on the restoration of Israel, meaning somehow the resurrection of those 10 lost tribes from northern Israel and so on.
And the implication of that is that he was not sent to save all human beings everywhere, but simply to, in a sense, restore his own people to the kind of destiny that belonged to them.
That's it in a nutshell.
And what follows from that?
Well, the historical Christianity really is an entirely, well, not an entirely different, but it became something that was kind of in a significant way detached from the reality of the historical Jesus.
And there's a historian who's actually written a book on the historical Jesus, a guy called Scott McKnight, who actually made this case I just put to you about what Jesus was on about.
And he's very much involved with the church, but he states, quite frankly, that his research on the historical Jesus is of no use whatever to the church.
So make of that what you will.
Folks, we want to bring Drew back on tonight for a reason that I will soon get to that will be of interest to you.
But we could not have Drew back on tonight without first mentioning this book that was released earlier this year by Arctos, Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus.
You can buy it at Amazon.com.
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The book is Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus by Drew Fraser.
And this is the synopsis there at Amazon.
Christian nationalism versus global Jesus sheds much needed light on contemporary controversies surrounding the seemingly oxo-moronic phenomenon of Christian nationalism, past, present, and future as a problem and as a solution.
Part one explores the biblical foundations of Christian nationalism, the first century Jesus movement, and the early Christian church in Greco-Roman antiquity.
Part two examines the extent to which the rise and fall of the early medieval Anglo-Saxon Christendom was influenced by the project of peoplehood reflected in the Hebrew Bible.
In part three, the focus shifts to modern history, culminating in the post-Christian collapse of British patriotism.
Does the contemporary crisis of Anglo-Protestant political theology stem from a failure to recognize in the historical Jesus the model for the miraculous appearance of the Patriot King?
The religious, political, and civil institutions of Anglosphere now oversee the deliberate degeneration of historic Anglo-cultures into mere economic zones populated by rootless, shifting masses of morally debased monads.
Could a Patriot King spark the reformation of the existing order of things?
Well, find out when you read Christian Nationalism versus Global Jesus.
That's Drew Fraser's newest book.
But what we're here to talk about, Drew, tonight, is not just that, but his attempts at a very prominent Christian nationalist conference here in America earlier this year.
He's got a lot to say about that, and we want to hear it.
Stay tuned.
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British authorities have declared Thursday's Yom Kippur attack against a synagogue in Manchester an act of terrorism.
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Jihad El Shami was shot and killed by police outside the Heaton Park Congregation Synagogue after he rammed a car into pedestrians and attacked them with a knife.
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Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky says a Russian drone strike on Saturday struck a Ukrainian rail station, injuring at least 30 people.
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All right, we are back with Drew Fraser from Australia.
He is, well, just a great guy.
He is a guy who's paid a price, a prestigious career at Macqurary University, author of a lot of great books that we have covered here over the years at TBC, The Wasp Question, of course.
Also, reinventing aristocracy in the age of woke capital.
But he has also fixed his finely tuned instincts to the question of faith with a few years ago, Dissident Dispatches, an alt-right guide to Christian Theology, and now, of course, as we've mentioned, Christian nationalism versus global Jesus.
And that is now, having that been re-established, why we are here to talk to Drew.
Drew, you know, we were, well, I guess you know, I will share with the audience what they may not know.
You and I were supposed to have gotten together earlier this year back in the spring.
I was going to be down in Texas with David Duke to attend a meeting, and it was a week apart from a meeting of a Christian nationalist group called the Right Response Conference that you were traveling from Australia to attend.
And you were going to attend one, and I was going to attend the other, and we were going to see each other twice.
And by the time it all sorted out, we both missed each other.
But I was there for one, and you were there for the other.
But tell the folks what you traveled all the way over from Oz to attend this year.
What was that about?
Well, as we discussed earlier, I just had published my book on Christian nationalism, a significant part of which deals with a book by a guy called Stephen Wolf, who wrote The Case for Christian Nationalism.
And he was a speaker at this conference and a very well-known person in Christian nationalist circles.
And so I wanted to try to have an opportunity to talk to him about the problems I have with a notion of Christian nationalism that really basically still relies upon this universalist,
globalist understanding of Jesus.
I mean, to me, I find it very hard to imagine a kind of nationalism that doesn't have a kind of, what could you say, an ethno-theology that doesn't have a religious core to it that belongs to itself.
Anyway, as it happens, my experience there was very similar to my experience in studying theology at a theological seminar seminary here in Australia.
And that is very simply that people, Orthodox with the small old Christians these days, are what you might call creedal Christians.
I mean, they believe in their faith is grounded in the Nicene Creed, the Apostles' Creed, and so on.
And it is a faith.
It is not to be shaken.
And so it makes it extremely difficult to talk to them about, let's say, what more and more people are coming to, how more and more people are coming to understand the historical Jesus.
And that was my experience at this conference.
I found it impossible, literally impossible, to talk to any of the speakers at that conference because they seemed to find me some kind of threat to their faith.
I mean, to be seen to be talking to me, I guess, was to be associating with the devil in some way.
Anyway, Well, you know, Drew, it's interesting because you had this successful career as a professor of law, and then almost, you know, as a hobby, after you had retired, you went and got, you know, you went into seminary.
You went and got a theological degree.
And I love how you described it.
And when you went in to get your degree in theology, when you went into the seminary, you described it as MSNBC at prayer.
I have never forgotten that.
And that was a very good way to put it.
But, you know, over here, it was interesting because you attended earlier this year in the spring, just shortly after your appearance during our annual March Around the World, you attended this Christian nationalist conference in Texas called the Right Response Conference.
Now, this is put on by Joel Webbin.
If people don't know Joel Webbin, Joel Webbin is an American Christian nationalist pastor, and he's the founder of Right Response Ministries.
Now, this is an organization that advocates for Christian nationalism.
But it's a lot more than that.
I mean, Joel Webbin, if anybody knows who he is, if anybody's ever listened to him or read any of his writings, he is pretty much an outspoken white nationalist all the way up to and including challenging World War II Orthodoxy.
So this is a guy that I would think, Drew, would be right on your wavelength on everything.
I mean, what do you think the disconnect was with them not welcoming you with open arms?
Was it the fact that you thought these ideas and had these conclusions before they did?
Or what was it?
Because I like everything that I hear him say and read him, you know, that is right.
If you're considered a heretic, in what way are you considered a heretic by the people of the world?
Well, I mean, Joel Webbin is saying all the things that we would say on this program.
I just can't understand why there wouldn't have been a natural enthusiasm to welcoming you to that conference.
Yeah, I mean, and it's especially surprising because that was one of the things that drew me to the conference.
It's one of the things that interested me about Stephen Wolfe's book, right?
I mean, in terms of the culture war, we are pretty much on the same side.
I mean, I've got, you know, a few quibbles about this or that, but in terms of morality, politics, race, you name it.
I mean, in fact, I listen to their podcasts regularly.
And the only thing that, and the problem is that I am a heretic.
You know, I don't know.
To me, you know, like, I mean, these are Reformed Protestant Christians.
And they have a very strong belief in the dangers of heresy.
You know, I mean, and they do not want to be associated with heretics.
But what I find so amazingly incomprehensible is that the world, there is another world.
But let's say, I don't know whether you're familiar with Myth Vision as a YouTube channel, a podcast, and so on.
But it's very much open to the idea that Christianity, in a sense, is, let's put it this way,
that the Bible is best understood not as a history of the Jewish people or of the first century appearance of Christ, but it is a kind of a set of myths and what could you say?
I mean, to take the idea, the basic idea of Christianity is that Jesus is a God.
Why is he a God?
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the resurrection.
Okay?
That's axiom number one.
But if you look at the people associated with myth vision, for example, they would argue that the idea of a resurrected God,
a man or a human being, Alexander, the Caesars, Romulus were all resurrected after their death, they would say.
I mean, so there's nothing particularly unique about the idea of Jesus' resurrection, the thing that, and indeed, they point to the fact that that's what Justin Martyr said in the second century.
He was complaining about.
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I hate to do it, but we've got to take one quick break.
We'll be right back with you.
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Dreaming, I'm always dreaming.
Dreaming.
Love will be mine.
Searching.
I'm always searching.
Hoping something of mine.
Someone.
Someone to love me.
Someone who needs me.
But until then, we'll all keep on dreaming.
Keep right on dreaming.
Dreaming.
Till my dreaming comes true.
Well, I'm dreaming.
I'll tell you folks, I'm dreaming about a white group of people, a white race that will band together as a people like every other race does on the face of the planet, except for us.
And, you know, it really strikes to the heart of what we're talking about with Drew Fraser right now.
And that is, you know, again, earlier this year, back in the spring, I guess it was April, because you had to have been on a march around the world.
So this would have been just a couple of weeks later, but not much later at all.
And I was traveling with David Duke down to Texas for a meeting with Patriot Front, and you were going to come to that.
And I was going to also come to the event that you attended.
And I was going to bring these books to you because you had copies of your book that we had just mentioned.
I ended up having to FedEx them to you because we had a conflict and then you couldn't.
Anyway, it didn't work out.
But I just don't understand because what I don't understand is, you know, I don't, there is just so very little that separates you from the organizers of that conference.
But you were like, you know, if they looked at you, they turned into a cash.
A pillar of salt.
I was a little bit flummoxed by that.
I just really couldn't understand it because I listened to the things that their principles say, and it is so on point with the things that we say and that you have said.
I just couldn't imagine that a guy like you who was out in front of this way before they had the courage to speak out on it wouldn't have been, you know, showcased, much less.
Well, anyway, continue on with that.
Probably because they're part of the problem.
I mean, the basic difference is, you know, I mean, like, and what I try to do in my book on Christian nationalism is argue that really,
if Christian nationalism really wants to get traction with the people in this world who really find it hard to wrap their mind around the Nicene Creed or the Apostles' Creed,
they have to get away from the idea that Christianity is all about orthodoxy, you know, a belief system, and just recognize the Germanic Christianity.
When the missionaries went to Germany in the 7th and 8th century, they didn't just try to get people to recite the Nicene Creed.
Had to get.
They had to accommodate themselves to the sort of Germanic religion which was all about what one does, not what one believes.
So you get, you know they, and that you know Germany, I mean they.
In order to get these German barbarians to embrace Christianity, they had to present Jesus as a kind of a hero.
You know what I mean, not a meek, mild person who loved all his enemies, but as a hero.
And they, they actually wrote a version of the Gospels that you can now find under the title the Saxon Gospels, and Jesus and the disciples appear in that as a band of warriors, right and and, because that's what the Germans were, bands of warriors, and that's what they did.
And so they Christianity had to do what they did, you know, I mean you know, and and accommodate people for whom it is really impossible.
You know, I mean you know.
Yeah sure, I mean from.
You know, Halloween to Christmas, I mean Easter, I mean the church has always accommodated the belief systems and the instincts of the people that they converted, and I have no problem with that.
But but, but I would ask you this though.
Well, let me ask you this then, did you watch the recent Charlie Kirk?
You know memorial service, the funeral, where all the Trump administrators, including the president himself and all of his top people I mean that was, I think drew the preeminent Christian nationalist expose.
I mean the, the exposition of Christian nationalism or exhibition of Christian nationalism.
I mean that was it right there.
I mean you had many people of the top ends of the American government speaking the name of, professing the name of Jesus Christ.
That was a Christian nationalist summit here.
Here's the thing you know, like this goes back to.
You know, Christian nationalism.
You're talking about an American phenomenon and the problem with America is and I'm speaking now as a Canadian and an Australian you know, as a British subject, what what America was grounded in was in a rejection of their own ancestral roots.
You know they ceased to be British, they became the first new nation and so like, if you, if you don't have any ancestral Ancestral roots as part of your religion.
If you reject the king as a sacred figure, then basically the only king you can have is King Jesus.
All right.
Let me ask you this.
On the other hand, can Charles be considered an appropriate king for a Christian?
All right, let me ask you this, though.
All right, so seriously, because we only have a couple of minutes remaining, you know, any time with you, Drew, is not time enough.
We should have gone a full hour and we had a little bit of trouble connecting.
But Christian nationalism, what is your final score on this?
Because I know you met some friends of ours there at that meeting.
I mean, that meeting was not all bad.
There was a lot of good from that meeting.
There was some good people there, and you met some of our friends there and struck it off.
So Christian nationalism, is it a boon or a bane to white nationalism on this continent here?
I think it's a welcome development, let's put it that way.
But it really needs to open itself up to it.
It needs to become a broad church where people of where what I'm, let's put it this way.
It is an essentially Anglo-Protestant phenomenon, right?
That's what it is.
Why then doesn't it try to create itself as a broad Anglo-Protestant church where anybody who, where the basic criterion for membership is, are you of Anglo-Protestant ancestry?
And do you feel an essential kinship with Anglo-Protestants in, obviously, Britain or Canada or Australia or New Zealand?
And if you do, then why can't your Christian nationalism transcend the boundaries of the American state?
You know, the American state is the enemy of Christianity.
Right?
Think about this.
Think about this, Drew.
Australia, Canada, New Zealand have gone so far to the left, which is basically a repudiation of Christianity.
Look, putting news.
Can I just say that, you know what I was doing a month ago?
I was giving a talk to the National Socialist Network here on the resurrection of British nationalism.
You cannot get people.
Have you been reading Hunter Wallace on National Socialism in the U.S.?
He can't get it.
Every day.
We actually had him on.
We had him on last week about it.
Yeah, yeah.
We've been reading it.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, so, like, Australia, believe me, is not, it is not, the government is, the state is, but you should have been at the March for Australia on August the 31st.
There were like literally millions of people on the street demanding an end to mass migration.
Right?
Man.
I wish them all the luck in the world on making that transformation, but I can't see King Charles leading the pack.
I'll tell you this, though.
What I do know is this.
That's why I want the miracle of a patriot king.
Hey, and we do appreciate Christian nationalism, which is, you know, not even a degree of separation from white nationalism, if they are being honest.
Joe Webben should know chief among them.
Drew, thanks for giving us this conversation.
Hey, we're in October.
I can't wait for March when we talk to you again.
I'll be talking to you on email, and we'll talk to you.
But we'll have you back in March to represent Australia for Congress.