April 12, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, going across the South and worldwide, as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
300,000 Yankees are stiff in southern dust.
We've got 300,000 before they count us.
They died of southern fever, southern steel and shot.
I wish there was three million instead of what you got.
I can't take up my musket and fight them now.
But I ain't gonna love them as I circumshore.
And I don't want no bargain from what I wasn't down.
I won't be reconstructed, and I don't care a damn.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are very proud of our friends and listeners and supporters throughout the country and around the world, far outside the bounds of the old Confederacy.
But boy, am I proud to be a son of a Confederate veteran.
Keith Alexander.
Same thing in hearing that, I tell you, that singer was plain as a billy goat's ass on the snowfall, as he said down here in the South.
All right.
We love Confederate History Month.
We love the whole ebb and flow of the TPC calendar with the March Around the World, Confederate History Month, the Valentine's Day show, the Christmas season here at TPC, and all points in between.
But what we're going to do now, you know, last year, we did the TPC at 20.
It was our 20th year anniversary on the air last year, and we did this TPC at 20 retrospective series.
Once per month, we would revisit a classic interview with fresh reaction and commentary.
And I can't even remember, you know, it was once per month.
So we did 12 of these installments.
And I know we did Sonny Landam, the movie star, a good friend of ours.
We revisited one of his appearances on the show, Hutton Gibson, Mel Gibson's father, Donald Trump Jr., Pat Buchanan.
We had a Luftwaffe pilot, Drew Lackey, who arrested Rosa Parks and wrote the book, Another View of the Civil Rights Movement.
There was one I was going to feature last year, and that was George Wallace's son.
But we decided to hold it until tonight, until Confederate History Month.
Let's listen to it with fresh opinion and commentary and reaction.
This interview with George Wallace's son, George Wallace Jr.
In this clip, I ask him, what was it like growing up with George Wallace as your father?
The question is, what was it like growing up as the son of one of the most iconic governors in American history?
Well, it was very interesting, and he was a fascinating man in so many ways.
But his career was one that took off immediately, really, even beyond the borders of Alabama, and he became a national figure there quickly.
And so it was very interesting.
Our lives went from the tranquility and peaceful existence of rural Barbary County in Southeast Alabama to being in the governor's mansion and family of a very controversial man.
So it was very different.
And I frankly wrote the book.
I always have enjoyed writing, and I started writing early in the mornings a few years ago.
The more I wrote about my father and events and so on, the more I realized there was a man in my father many people never knew in so many ways.
I know he's defined early on relative to the issue of segregation, which was part of his journey.
But I tried to write and chronicle his entire journey, which I've done professionally, politically, and personally.
And once I had done that, I realized that I've shed some light on a man many people never knew.
But the lives we lived were very interesting because he rose to the highest levels as a candidate and was winning in 1972 as a conservative Democrat when he was shot and taken out of the race.
And, you know, in thinking about his journey politically, he has been called by many prominent writers and editorial columnists, George Will, Dave Broder, Paul Greenberg, and Dan Carter and others as the grandfather of the modern conservative movement.
You know, Keith, I look back on some of these interviews we've done over the years.
Nobody else has done interviews like this.
Nobody else could.
This retrospective series and then listening to this.
This is something George Wallace, I had a t-shirt as a teenager.
Death is no excuse, George Wallace for president.
Your 30 seconds recollections and reflections on George Wallace.
Well, what George Wallace did was express the will of most white southerners at the time, and it was right.
Quite frankly, we've got nothing to apologize about.
Look what Brown versus Board of Education has done to public education in America.
Would you say that that change is good fruit or evil fruit?
It's obviously evil fruit, and George Wallace was right.
So this is George Wallace Jr. talking about his father's relationship with Elvis Presley right here on the political cesspool.
PowerPoint presentation of some of the photographs.
We have 333 photographs in the book, James, and I could have had 1,000.
So where do you stop?
But interesting pictures of my dad and Elvis.
Elvis was a great fan and used to call my father all the time.
Elvis just loved him.
And so many historical photographs that are fascinating.
All right, so there is that, I think that is profound in and of itself.
So he wrote a book.
George Wallace's son wrote a book called George Wallace, The Man You Never Knew by the man who knew him best, his son.
And I've got a copy, a signed copy of the book right here in the studio, in fact, tonight.
And it's an amazing book with amazing pictures and a lot of pictures of George Wallace with Elvis.
But they had this new movie that came out about Elvis a few years ago where he was the staunch integrationist.
Abi King was like his Yoda.
And he frowned at the ideas of segregation.
But yet in real life, he had a George Wallace resident yard sign in the lawn of Graceland.
Well, that shows you.
See, that's what the left does to you.
They either try to co-opt you and make you one of them or else they're not.
Or just laugh you outright and just cast you into the outer darkness.
So, you know, let me tell you, you need to tell your friends that have bought that line of Elvis as the first integrationist, Hookline, and Sinker, the people that talked about that movie.
Let them hear this, you know, interview, and they'll get the picture.
There's a little bit more about George Wallace and his relationship with Elvis as told by his son.
Elvis Elvis used to call him all the time.
He was a big fan of my dad's.
He told him one time that he had a Wallace the President sign on the front lawn of Graceland in 1968.
After my father was injured in 72, Elvis would call quite often and offer him his various vacation spots around the world.
And he said, George, I'll come pick you up on my jet and we'll just go wherever you want to go.
My dad never did the decline and was graceful and thanked him.
But Elvis was a big fan.
All right, so, I mean, so it wasn't even in the 72 campaign, but in the 68 campaign where Elvis had the George Wallace president sign in the yard at Grace.
And the way he's portrayed in that biopic movie from the Australian producer.
Well, somebody, some executive at Grace is going to be shaking over the cap on this show for sure.
Let's see where our next clip is.
I think we've got it queued up now.
And this is, of course, about, well, the stand in the schoolhouse door so famously made by George Wallace.
Let's listen in on this.
Not just selling that we briefly touched on this morning when you and I were talking together on the phone.
And I'd like to say, and feel free to disagree with me if you'd like, but in many ways, I found personally your father's stand in the 60s to be commendable.
And this is why.
This was a state's rights issue.
And as a populist, I feel as though from an outsider looking in, he was advocating on behalf of the will of the people.
The federal government simply didn't have the authority to do what they did in the South at that time.
And it can be argued whether or not ultimately their actions were right or wrong.
But I believe they overstepped their constitutional bounds.
And I shared with you in our talk this morning that I was a guest on CNN a few years back for a full hour, which is very rare, to discuss the topic of self-segregation.
And they had me on as part of a panel to discuss this issue.
And I was there to present the merits of the case.
I guess they couldn't find anybody else to do it.
But frankly, even in 2012, this day and age in which we live, blacks, whites, Hispanics, et cetera, we all still self-segregate to a large degree.
And I find it to be quite natural that folks choose to associate with others who share a common ancestry, culture, and religion.
It doesn't mean that it's wrong if you choose to associate with others who are different, not at all.
But it's a choice that a free people should have.
It's not racism, an obtuse hatred of people who are different from you for no reason whatsoever.
It's not racism to have a preference.
It doesn't mean you hate them.
I don't hate anyone, and I know you don't either.
It's a taboo subject.
We always have to walk a tightrope when discussing it.
And I know your father was conflicted by the matter before, during, and after his timing office.
But that's my personal take on it.
Am I way off base here?
Well, the inextricable link between states' rights and the sovereignty of the states, the Tenth Amendment, if you will, the Reserve Clause, was inextricably linked with the issue at the time, which was...
Let's skip the break.
And he felt, and the people of Alabama most felt, that we should determine our own timetable relative to that.
But he was raising constitutional questions at the University of Alabama as to who should run that institution, the federal government or the state of Alabama.
All right, so that goes back to the stand in the schoolhouse door.
Now, this interview originally took place, as you just heard, in 2012.
But Keith, I think you would agree that the state of Alabama had the right in determining what would happen at the University of Alabama because the state of Alabama was financing it.
Exactly.
And see, this is what was lost in the hubbub of the civil rights movement.
We totally lost our freedom of association.
The people of, you know, states' rights, the people of Alabama should determine what the policy of the institutions like the educational institutions of Alabama should be, not people in Washington, D.C. or in Boston, Massachusetts, or San Francisco or wherever.
See, that's the big problem.
Okay, let's go now to another clip from this classic interview from the TPC archives.
This is our conversation with George Wallace Jr., son of the iconic governor of Alabama, George Wallace.
And here we talk a little bit more about self-determination and that 1972 presidential campaign.
The battle that was raging way back then, James, is the same battle that rages today.
And he was in many ways prophetic about what he was saying way back then.
But it was always the race issue that defined George Wallace.
But really, he transcended it.
And in 1972, in those primaries, on the day he was shot, May 15, 1972, in Laurel, Maryland, he was a million popular votes ahead of the other candidates in the Democratic primaries and several hundred delegates ahead.
And he carried every county in the state of Florida and every county in the state of Michigan.
So he had truly transcended the issue of race.
And he was a national figure, and he was stopped, really, the only way he could have been stopped.
And I've written extensively about that in the book.
There's so much more to his shooting than people will ever really know.
But yes, the sovereignty of the states, the sense that we should determine our own destiny, and that battle is raging today.
And still, so it does, as we were talking about earlier tonight with Patrick Martin and as we continue to talk about.
But, you know, this is, again, something we're very proud of, the fact that we've been doing this for so long, 21 years now on the radio.
Nobody has done it similarly.
Nobody's done it better.
If anybody did, I would throw in with them.
A lot of people do it well.
A lot of people do it differently.
And in some ways, perhaps exceed our ability.
But there is something about the work being done here at TPC that has not been replicated, Keith.
Well, it's like the Bible says, do not be deceived.
You shall know them by their fruit.
Can a good tree bring forth corrupt fruit?
Can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit?
Therefore, by their fruits you shall know them.
Now, the civil rights movement sounded good.
It was paved with good intentions, you might say.
Like a book we know.
Yeah, like also the pathway to hell is also paved with good intentions.
See, look what's happened to public education as a result of Brown and other civil rights institutions that we have to deal with or that are supposedly like lighthouses for us.
Public education in America has gone from being one of the best public education systems in the world to one of the worst.
But nobody will acknowledge that.
But then on the other hand, go to Washington, D.C. and listen to all these people, these congressmen and whatnot.
Where do they send their children to school?
They don't send them to the Washington, D.C. public schools, right?
No, they do not.
Now, I ask in this clip, George Wallace's son, would his father have been elected in 1972 had he not been shot?
There is a very real chance, and not just a possibility, but a very real probability.
His father would have been president of the United States in 1972.
And you write about this in the book.
And what was it like?
I mean, at that point in 72, when that happened, I knew something was going to happen, James.
It was so, the momentum, big mo, as they call it, big momentum was on our side.
You could feel it.
You knew there was no way he was going to be stopped going to Miami.
He'd have the delegates.
He was the only conservative running for president that year.
And I think.
All right, so do you the only conservative running for president now?
He was formerly a Democratic governor back before the party flip and realignment and then ran as an independent in 72.
But the only conservative, his son says, running in that race.
And interestingly, you know, we had our pregame meal tonight at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Colonel Harlan Sanders of KFC fame was second in the running.
George Wallace ended up going with Curtis LeMay that year as the vice presidential candidate.
But Harlan Sanders was a staunch segregationist.
Yes, Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame was such a staunch segregationist and supporter of Wallace that he was in the top two or three to be picked as his running mate.
Do you think he would have won in 72 or could he have won in 72 had he not been shot?
That's the question.
Well, he could have been if we had not been under the baleful influence of the Voting Rights Act of 65, which allowed proxy voting for black people.
That's the thing that has messed everything up.
That's the reason Trump lost the 2020 election, for example.
And I think people are finally recognizing just what a bad law that law was.
Now, listen to this, folks.
This will give you chills.
And the first time I heard this, it brought a tear.
It brought tears to my eyes.
Wallace has been so villainized for standing up for the South during that period.
Yes, he went back and forth before and after.
But the period of life he's remembered for is the George Wallace that we're talking about right now.
At the schoolhouse door.
His would-be assassin, Arthur Bremer, a man by the name of Arthur Bremer was the one who shot him in Maryland.
George Wallace reached out to him after he was paralyzed.
His son shared a story of that account on this radio program.
Listen to this.
This is, again, a story about George Wallace you would never hear anywhere else but here.
Listen to this, folks.
Wow.
Right.
A couple of letters in our family archives years ago that were not intended for the public domain where my father had written Arthur Bremer, the man who shot him, left him paralyzed and in pain until the day he died.
And he told Arthur Bremer that he loved him.
And he said, Arthur, I've forgiven you.
And if you'll ask our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into your heart, you and I will be together in heaven.
Keith, have you ever heard that anywhere else but here?
No, I have not.
And that shows the type of man George Wallace was.
And it also shows the type of piety that Southern Christians have that you don't find elsewhere.
That's absolutely right.
Now, let's go to another clip right here right now.
This is, what's this clip about?
We're running out of time.
Oh, there was a movie that was very inspiring.
I have a copy of it.
It was a TNT movie.
TNT used to have a movie studio back in the late 90s.
They had a lot of good movies.
They made a movie about the Hunley.
I mean, Ted Turner himself led the procession in Charleston, South Carolina for the burial of the Hunley crew.
But they also made a movie about George Wallace.
It was called Simply Enough, George Wallace.
And Gary Sinice played George Wallace in this movie, and I asked his son about it.
Let's listen to it now.
I was talking with our featured guest about the movie made about his dad's life, which I have and which I remember watching almost for inspiration in advance of my own campaign for the Tennessee State House of Representatives in 2002.
This movie came out in 97.
That didn't work out for me, but I dig it into radio, so all's well that ends well.
The movie, though, Gary Sinise won an Emmy for the performance for his portrayal of your father.
And Gary Sinee, one of the all-time great actors.
And he won the Emmy on the very night that your father passed away.
He did.
My understanding is that he got the news backstage and actually walked out on stage and just made the announcement that Governor Wallace had passed away.
And I heard Gary on an interview in Florida.
My wife was down in Bradenton, Palmetto, Sarasota area, and I was down there.
It made mention that it was the most intriguing part that he'd ever played in his career, and that was a source of great pride to me.
But it was produced.
Yeah, so Gary Sinise has played in so many A-list movies.
He was Lieutenant Dan in Forrest Gump, and he said that, I mean, he's been in so many movies, but he said playing George Wallace was the most interesting or the most rewarding role that he had ever played in any movie.
Well, you know, that shows you what the real George Wallace was like.
If he could intrigue an actor as good as Gary Sinise, and he says that it's the best role he ever had, then people ought to take a pause and realize that George Wallace needs to have another, a new examination.
Absolutely.
And that's what we're doing tonight.
I mean, this just goes to show how long we've been operating at this high of a level here at TPC.
This is an interview that took place originally 13 years ago.
We bring it back to your attention tonight for Confederate History Month 2025, the son of George Wallace, George Wallace Jr.
A little bit more on Gary Sineese.
Gary Sinees now, your father's mannerisms, was he the George Wallace of all the, and of course, Sinees, a Hollywood A-lister, to say the least, and you look at his career and his portfolio.
Did he summon it up?
And did you have any interaction with him or the cast during production?
I did not.
I talked to Mayor Winningham, the actress who portrayed my mother, and they had an opening in Washington that I could not make because of a prior engagement, but some friends of mine were there, and I received a note from Gary Sinee that pleased he was to portray my father.
But it was an interesting movie, and my father did see it, yeah.
So his father did get to see it.
George Wallace actually got to see this movie very shortly before his death.
And Gary Sinees won an Emmy Award for his portrayal of George Wallace.
And when he received the Emmy Award, as you just heard, he received it just minutes before George Wallace died, and he walked out on stage to announce the death of George Wallace as he received that award.
I mean, what are the odds of all of that?
Yeah, and I really wonder what the reaction of the Hollywood Congress Entide was to that announcement.
But let me tell you, Gary Sineese respected George Wallace.
Absolutely, he did.
And he's worked with the best of the best in some of the biggest movies of all time.
One more clip here with George Wallace Jr. about the future of the South.
No, and I also have written extensively about the people of the South.
I've always resented how the people of the South, even today, are portrayed by many on the left because there's an agenda at work, James.
If they can portray Southerners in such a way as slow and backward and all that, and then you correlate that with the fact that we're generally conservative, then we must be flawed.
Right.
Well, we're not flawed.
I'm convinced that the people of the South and the spirit of the people of the South is going to save the country.
I really believe that.
Hey, listen, that's what it is.
That's what we are doing here during Confederate History Month.
I really believe that the people of the South and the spirit of the people of the South are going to save this country.
George Wallace's son on the street.
In the process of doing it right now.
Listen, folks, that is why you support the work of this radio program, that and many other reasons, to be sure.
But this is a special, special show that has made connections with people that you wouldn't imagine possible, perhaps.
You look back at our retrospective series last year, our 20th anniversary year, and it is something.
It's something I really like this one.
Actually, we did revisit this particular interview, which was originally aired live in 2012.
We revisited it for the first time in 2022.
And it's actually this interview that gave me the inspiration to do that retrospective series last year.
But if you haven't heard it before, if you didn't hear it 13 years ago or three years ago, we played it again tonight for Confederate History Month as we come up to the break and we're going to round out this show tonight.
What a show.
What a show.
It is living up to what it's supposed to be, Confederate History Month, the celebration of the Confederacy and the people of the South.
And we, you know, we're never going to back down from that.
We're never going to turn on our heritage.
And I think that's a big reason why a lot of people still continue to follow this show today.
Big salute to Governor Wallace, his son, who had some electoral success as well in the state of Alabama, who is still alive and well.
You know, Bill Lord used to babysit George Wallace Jr.
You know that?
No, I did not know.
One of our old compadres.
That's right.
We'll be, well, I mean, Bill Lord's still here, but we'll be right back.
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We are a band of brothers and native to the soil, fighting for our liberty with treasure, blood, and toil.
And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far.
Hurrah for the bunny blue flag that bears a single star.
Hurrah, hurrah, for southern rights around.
Hurrah for the bunny blue flag.
There's a single star As long as the union Will tune her trust Like friends and like And just But But now, when northern treachery attacks our rights tomorrow, we'll hoist on high the bunny blue flag that bears a single star.
Hurrah, hurrah, for southern rights around.
Hurrah for the bunny blue flag, it bears a single star.
Our good friend Sonny Thomas, who has corrected me during tonight's live broadcast, and I accept that correction in the spirit it was intended and do stand so.
He is not a Copperhead.
He is a Buckeye.
Sonny Thomas, the Buckeye, Sonny Thomas.
He's a fan of Clement Van Landihan.
He is with us tonight.
And Sonny, it is great to have you back.
Please plug first and foremost all of your contact information, your great work on your radio program, your radio network, and then tell us why you, as a Buckeye, wanted to be on our Confederate History Month coverage.
Well, first of all, the North doesn't have fight songs like you played here tonight.
So, I mean, that's a prime example.
Many of the songs that you featured here on the political cesspool, especially during Confederate History Month, we don't have fight songs like that, talking about the wizard in the saddle and General Lee and Jackson and everybody else.
We don't have stuff like that up here.
And another problem is we don't revere our heroes like you do in the South.
And there's a number of reasons for that because the fact that the Confederate commanders of the time were some of the best military men this country has ever produced.
I mean, from places such as BMI, West Point, the Citadel, for example.
I mean, these are some of the best military men that have ever been produced on this continent.
And not only that, but I think people need to remember.
To me, when you watch Gods and Generals, I think when you see the opening scene with Robert E. Lee, when he's being asked to lead a movie.
What a movie.
When he's being asked to lead the Northern Army, and he says, no, I can't do that.
I can't raise my sword against Virginia.
And I think that says it all in a nutshell, is that in those times, they saw their states as their countries and that their fellow statesmen as their countrymen.
So as a Virginian and someone of his noble lineage as well, because he was a descendant of Henry Lighthorse Lee, that he could not raise his sword against his fellow countrymen.
And that in solidarity with other states, whether you're Georgian, Alabaman, Mississippian, whatever the case may be, that's what united the Confederacy because you're a southern gentleman first, and it would be dishonorable to raise your sword against your own people.
And I think that pretty much sums up why the South made a stand because they've been screwed over for decades with taxation, all sorts of decrees and everything else.
And not only that, Duchennon, in the last hour before he left office, before Lincoln was sworn in, raised the corporate tax rate.
What was it?
39%, something like that?
I mean, he just jacked it up and Lincoln had to enforce it.
Yes.
Talking about the morale tariff.
Yeah, right.
That was the real reason for the Civil War, not slavery.
Slavery was used by Lincoln as a strategy to keep England out of war.
But let's also not pretend that our ancestors weren't race realists.
They understood that you couldn't live in a society with these people as co-equals.
I mean, neither could Lincoln.
Lincoln said that, you know, basically we need to ship them all back to Africa.
But to say that it was all about slavery, yes, they were not integrationists, but to say that it was all about slavery was perhaps a bridge too far as well.
But I want to say something very quickly before we toss it back to Sonny.
You mentioned the movie Gods and Generals, which is a movie everyone should watch during Confederate History Month.
I think for years we have played clips from that movie, which is just, I saw it at the theater with some friends of mine back when it came out in the early 2000s.
It was just, oh, it's so good.
Robert Duvall plays Robert E. Lee, and the actor who plays Stonewall Jackson is an actor by the name of Stephen Lang.
You may remember him as Ike Clanton, Ike Clanton in the movie Tombstone, 1994 with Kurt Russell and Michael Bean and Val Kilmer.
God rest you, Val Kilmer, who just died.
But Stephen Lang, who played Ike Clanton in Tombstone, played Stonewall Jackson and Gods and Generals.
This is a Jewish guy from New York.
And he came to believe in the Southern cause and has actually been a defender of the Confederacy ever since he played that role.
We've talked about this because he did so much research into Stonewall Jackson.
And he said when he was on the set, he couldn't even look at Jeff Bridges, who played Joshua Chamberlain because he was so in character.
So it just goes to show.
If you have an open mind, an open heart, you can make friends with people you wouldn't expect.
But Stephen Lang played Stonewall Jackson better than I think any Southerner could have.
It was just pitch perfect.
But anyway, Sonny, back to you.
Why do you want to?
Not to mention, James.
Not to mention, he also played Pickett in Gettysburg.
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
Prior to that, yes, he did.
The first of the Maxwell, what should have been a trilogy, they made two of the three movies.
Gettysburg was the first, and then Gods and Generals was the second.
There was supposed to be a third and never got made.
But nevertheless, watch the movie Stephen Lang as Stonewall Jackson.
It exceeds his turn as Ike Clanton in Tombstone.
And, you know, I think Val Kilmer's portrayal as Doc Holiday in Tombstone may be the best acting performance I've ever seen, but it is nearly on par with that.
But anyway, that being said, Sonny, again, why are you here tonight, my friend?
Well, let's look at some things.
In my generation, I'm a Gen Xer.
And so we hear stories here and there.
We go to school and they tell us things, this, that, and the other.
And of course, you know, the education system conveniently leaves out obvious parts of American history.
We don't even discuss per battle or exactly what happened during the Revolutionary War.
We basically heard a war of 1812 was basically a disagreement.
We didn't want to even talk about that.
We didn't even really talk about the Mexican-American War.
Oh, no.
Let's fast forward it to the Civil War.
We're divided the war between the states and it was all about slavery.
And it's like, oh, that's BS.
And then all those bad guys and all those good guys.
Yeah, they don't talk about the war with the Indian Wars, and they sure as hell don't talk about World War I.
That is even more dismissed than the War of 1812.
It's, oh, let's hurry up to September 1st, 1939, when Hitler invaded Poland.
Well, you're missing the whole pretext led up to that.
So, I mean, you see the bias.
But in my generation, I have to say this.
The Dukes of Hazard, to me, was a very positive show.
To me, it showed Southerners in a positive light.
Maybe in some slight stereotypes, but it was always just good fun.
It wasn't demeaning.
It was just good fun stuff.
And seeing the Confederate battle flag on top of the general lead, to me, resonated ever since I was a kid.
And not only that, but as I started to understand history a little bit later on, I saw the Confederate battle flag for what it was.
It is a big, fat NO in your face that says no.
And that's what I'm saying.
You know, Sonny, I just got to say very quickly, please pardon this interruption, but around the world now, from Russia to South America, you see the Confederate flag, and it is viewed by these people who have never been Americans of any stripe as a symbol of resistance to tyranny.
And of course, now we did have a lot of ex-Confederates who moved down to South America.
A good friend of mine in Brazil just texted me a picture today, just this morning, of a pickup truck in Sao Paulo, Brazil with a Confederate flag on it.
So this is a symbol around the world that is seen as a resistance to tyranny, and it is adored.
Right.
And the same sentiments for me.
I believe in state sovereignty.
I believe the ninth and tenth amendments of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights of the Ninth of the Constitution, specifically states that basically, because the Bill of Rights are negative laws, it basically tells the government it can't do.
And the 9th and 10th Amendments, and I know Keith would agree with this, that basically says, well, whatever we didn't list here, you can't do that either because the power goes back to the states and back to the people.
So when we created this government, we created a limited central government to basically represent us and defend us to a certain point, and the rest of it is supposed to go back to the states.
Well, of course, one of the consequences of the South losing was eventually, not too long after that, we had a national currency.
And then, of course, eventually led to the Federal Reserve much later on.
But the thing is, is that the North viewed the South as an agrarian class basically as a bunch of country bunkins and that they could be, you know, just kind of forced to do whatever they want to do.
It's like, that's not the case.
Not only that, but I have to say this: I've found more honorable people in the South than I have, even in my own state of Ohio sometimes.
So, because what they really, Sonny, the way I put it is they looked at the South as an agricultural colony that they should exploit, and they didn't have a vote in what the federal policy was going to be.
Not only that, but they were trying to get really good farming equipment from England, even though it cost a large amount to have it shipped.
It was still much better off than paying for northern farming equipment that was overpriced and just complete junk.
So, I mean, you know, and not to mention, let's call it what it is: the Industrial Revolution was right around the corner.
I mean, you already have the cotton gin, and then eventually, like all manual labor, it's eventually going to be phased out because manual labor is expensive.
All right, stay tuned right there, ladies and gentlemen.
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Hey, if
you're a Southerner and you didn't stand and salute during that anthem, I don't know what to say to you.
I had a friend on the Buchanan campaign who was from New York, and he was a proud Southerner.
You have a lot of people like that.
Born and raised in New York, but he was a proud Southerner and he identified with the South.
And he was in Vietnam.
And I remember sitting out with him in California at the Buchanan campaign, the Reform Party convention.
I was a delegate.
And he said, when we were in Vietnam and they would play Dixie, everybody stood and put their hand over their heart.
And so that was something.
And that happened.
And what happened to the nation that used to produce people like that?
Well, we got one of them now, the Buckeye Sonny Thomas.
Hey, Keith, we were just talking in the last break.
This show tonight, everybody we've brought on, revisiting that George Wallace.
I guarantee you, there's never been another radio program in this country that has put forth the facts that George Wallace had a Elvis Presley had a George Wallace yard sign and that George Wallace got in touch with Arthur Brimmer and said, I forgive you and I want to see you in heaven.
There's nobody else that could have done that.
Well, the thing is, we do, we have been a groundbreaking show from the moment of our inception.
And most of that credit belongs to you, James.
But basically, our show, if it were not for our show, there would be no interview recorded of Drew Lackey or of George Wallace.
Well, let's forget.
I mean, you know, we covered so many of these in the retrospective series last year.
Talk about Gary Sinise.
Gary Sinise has been a guest on this show.
So himself.
And it's just been an incredible run.
But, you know, I really love it.
But if it had not been for this show, what those people had to say would be lost to history.
That's right.
But thankfully, even for the new listeners of this show, we still sometimes resuscitate these long lost and forgotten interviews and bring them to your attention.
So, Sonny, back to you.
Hey, Sonny, give the audience information on how they can learn more from you and hear more from you.
You've got a great show yourself.
Yes.
You can go to resolutionrdo.podbean.com.
As a matter of fact, my most recent show that came out Thursday, I had a very special guest.
Her name is Jennifer Zinn.
She escaped from China, and she goes into explicit detail what happened because she was a practicer of Falun Gong, and the government was not going to allow that to happen.
And she had to, when approached, to ask if she was a follower, and she obviously was obligated to say yes, because Falun Gong says you're not supposed to lie.
And so she was imprisoned.
And she talks a little about what she had to do in there and what it took to be, quote-unquote, rehabilitated so she can leave.
And then when she got back out, she had the first opportunity to get the hell out of China.
She went to Australia and then came to the United States.
And eventually her daughter was able to follow.
So she really goes into a lot of detail what it's like to live under communism.
It's very similar to my other guest, Harold Zieger, who escaped from East Germany back in the 1980s.
So communism is not a fun thing, boys and girls.
And this democratic socialism or whatever this crap they want to call it nowadays that they're trying to doctrinate our youth on is communism folks.
So let's put the hay where the ghosts can get to it.
Hey, listen, it's spoken like a true southerner there from the Ohio Buckeye himself.
Let's not go to the bottom of the face.
My daddy was a buyer.
So, I mean, it's not unusual to hear some good stuff like that.
Well, I tell you what, I mean, you get north of Louisville.
You're right there in Indiana.
That's Confederate country, too.
I mean, it all blurs and blends.
But you mentioned the movie, or rather the TV show Dukes of Hazard earlier.
It brought to mind this 1992 movie.
It was a comedy.
Not a lot of people saw it.
I saw it because I was 12 and I saw it back then.
It was a comedy called Stay Tuned, starring John Ritter and Jeffrey Jones and Eugene Levy.
And Jeffrey Jones is basically the satanic character in this.
He actually is Satan.
And John Ritter watches too much TV, so he gets sucked into his satellite and he has to try to survive by going through all of these different spoofs of shows that have turned demonic.
And some of the shows that he has to survive through is I Love Lucy as I Love Lucifer.
The Golden Girls is the Golden Ghouls.
Murder She Wrote, and we're big time fans of Angela Lansbury here, right, Keith?
Right.
Murder She Likes.
The facts of life is the facts of life support.
And then you have Married with Children is Unmarried with Children.
And then Dukes of Hazard is David Dukes of Hazard.
I just got David in this movie.
In this movie, 1992.
David with the Klansman hat on in this movie.
I mean, not really, but a cartoon character of it.
And that's why I was just with you.
You know, Sonny, we started this show tonight.
I was with David last week in Texas.
And for 20 years, I've been meaning to ask David because they made a movie about him, Black Klansman, where a Jewish guy, Tophor Grace, plays David in the movie.
That came out, you know, Spike Lee movie.
I've been meaning to ask David for 20 years if he's ever heard of Stay Tuned and the David Dukes of Hazard spoof they do in that movie.
But John Ritter, we're big fans of John Ritter, too, right, Keith?
Yeah.
Tex Ritter?
John Ritter?
That's right.
Yeah, it's Tex Ritter's son.
All right.
Well, anyway, that's a Stay Tuned, 1992 obscure comedy.
I like it, but anyway, David Dukes of Hazard is featured.
So, Sonny, anyway, the last five minutes of the show are yours, brother.
Again, the Buckeye take on South and Southern rights and so on and so forth.
Trump.
Well, let me give you a little bit of a hold.
Let me tell you about some of the inspiration, again, from Dukes of Hazard.
I mean, obviously, besides having the glorious Confederate battle flag on the roof of the car, they obviously, all the vehicles had Confederate battleflag license plates in the front of the car, which inspired me not too long recently to actually take that same incentive.
And now all my vehicles have the proud state of Ohio flag on the front of my vehicles flying it with full reverence.
And I'm starting to see other people starting to do that as well.
So we're starting to do that.
And then when I was an active member of my local GOP, I actually put forth a resolution because I found out there is actual pledge of allegiance to the flag of Ohio, not just to the flag of the United States.
It's a separate one.
And I said, why aren't we reciting that in our meetings as well?
Because we're Ohioans before we're Americans.
And some people kind of looked at me strange.
I said, was it any different for General Lee when he was standing for Virginia?
Then why should we be any different for me or you?
If you're a proud and born and raised Buckeye, then you need to be standing up.
That's one of the things I got the message from the South is that they were proud and honorable men and they stood up for their states.
And I said, why aren't we doing the same?
So that's one of the things I always refer to as the great sovereign state of Ohio because we are the heart of it all.
We have more metropolitan complexes than any other state.
We have an excellent mix of agrarian and industrial, and we should take that to the full advantage of our utility.
Now, that's just my perspective as an Ohioan.
I want to see a Hoosier say the same about his state of Indiana.
I want to see a Nevada do the same thing about his state.
You need to be proud of the states you come from.
And those that go to universities, now, again, Ohio has more universities per metropolitan complex than any other state.
We want to retain those people that go to those universities and stay in Ohio.
Don't go to Kentucky.
Don't go to North Dakota.
Stay in Ohio and bring that enthusiasm and enrich our state, especially if you're not from here.
But if you are from here, I think it's your duty to stay here in Ohio and to advance the state even more.
That's the same principle that Southerners felt before the war for southern independence.
So, I mean, I think that's something that should be instilled in our youth here in the Buckeye state, just like it was in the South.
Like I said, we don't have northern fight songs like you guys have.
We don't have songs that talk about areas, a place like Rocky Top, you know, a great song from Rocky Top, Tennessee.
We don't have songs like that around here as much.
And I think that says a lot about our people because the South always want to make sure they remember each other.
And by doing that, it's in song and in poems.
We don't have that reverence up here like you guys do in the South.
And so that's one of the things I respect.
You guys are honorable people.
And unless you cross someone wrong, I have yet to meet a Southerner who's back-talked me.
You know what I'm saying?
They're always honorable, they're respectful, and they'll always offer the door for you and a place at the table.
And you don't see that in some places up here, especially in blue cities, because they're already on food stamp cards.
But I mean, you don't understand what I'm saying.
There's always hospitality when you meet people in the South.
And I think that's part of your guys' culture, and that is to be commended.
I really think that we should have stuck with the Articles of Confederation.
That was a big mistake because during the Articles of Confederation period, people recognized that the primary source of sovereignty was the state.
Yes.
But at the same strike, the smaller states are getting screwed.
That's why we had to get it fixed because otherwise you'd have New York, Virginia, and possibly Georgia calling all the shots, just like we have to do.
But the Articles of Confederation allowed you to bail out of the Confederation if that was happening.
Hey, TPC, peak TPC tonight.
Peak TPC.
This blend, this mesh, this mix.
Sonny, one more time.
Where can people find you?
Where can people hear you?
ResolutionRDO.podbean.com.
They were also on Winkin, Getter, Parlor, True Social, X, and Gab, as well as Telegram at Saint Thomas Show or at ResolutionRDO.
Well, thank you so much for what you do to expand TPC to a, well, for your work and to spread TPC to a broader audience.
For Sonny Thomas, for George Wallace Jr., for Paul Lawrence, Mike Wharton, and Patrick Martin, and Keith Alexander.