Aug. 31, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is an esteemed honor of mine to be able to introduce to you a gentleman who is making his debut appearance on the program tonight.
And this is our second hour of the August 31st, 2024 broadcast, Lou Moore.
And because it is Lou's first time on the show, we're going to spend maybe up to the first half of this interview, a little bit talking about his background and some of his interesting, talk about interesting stories.
And then in the second half of the hour, we will get to some of the current issues.
But for biography's sake, Lou Moore got the political bug at an early age, just five years old.
He stayed up half the night watching the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon election results.
In 1964, he doorbelled with his mother, who was a precinct captain for Barry Goldwater.
Now, I missed that one.
In 1964, my parents were 10 years old and seven, respectively, but I do remember a Barry Goldwater commercial that I saw.
In your heart, you know he's right.
Well, Lou was on that side of the fence, even though we fell a little short there.
He served as chief of staff for Congressman Jack Metcalf out of Washington State from 1995 to 2001.
And then he went on to become Ron Paul's campaign manager for that exciting and insurgent 2008 presidential bid.
He has been a college professor, college instructor, and so much more.
We will get to more from his bio.
He has a book, Forerunner, The Unlikely Role of Ron Paul.
Check it all out at Lewemoore.com.
L-E-W-M-O-O-R-E, Lewemoore.com.
Fascinating guy.
Lou, I had the opportunity, I'll share with the audience, talk with you on the phone a couple of days ago, and I couldn't get you on the show fast enough.
Thank you for being with us tonight.
You're welcome, James.
I was worried for a second that I might have to go through some kind of strange initiation or something, the way you were talking about my first show.
But thank you.
I'm very happy to be here.
No, no, no.
It's fine.
And Liz, if we can pipe up his volume a little bit.
And if Lou, if you're on a speaker, we'll maybe put it to headset, but a little bit, a little bit like there on the audio.
No, listen, it's our honor tonight, and it is our privilege to have you.
And I want to just spend a few minutes letting the audience get better acquainted with you.
Listen, chief of staff for a sitting Republican congressman, you were in the system, all right?
You know how this works much better than I or I'm sure most of our listeners do.
Talk with us a little bit about Congressman Jack Metcalf.
Now, he passed away some years ago, but he served as a Republican congressman from Washington State of all places, and you were his chief of staff.
What was he all about, Jack Metcalf?
Well, he was a wonderful guy, James.
It's really a little hard to describe him in just a few sentences, but he was a Maverick, well known to be a Maverick.
He, you know, he was in the, he was in the state senate there in Washington State.
He was a good member of the Republican State Senate Caucus, but he was also one of the leading advocates to get rid of the Federal Reserve System and had spoken on the dyaz with Willis Cardo and spoke on the dyaz with many other people.
Wow.
Back in the day, a lot of people would recognize their names.
And I can't even remember some of them myself now, but I mean, going way back, he was, you know, there's a couple of state legislative organizations that are national that these guys belong to.
And he used to go around the country to these meetings.
And while some of these other guys were talking about, you know, some kind of corporate welfare program they could get going in their state too, or something like that.
He was going around telling them, we got to get rid of the Federal Reserve System.
And so he was different.
And but he was also, he was a man of the land.
He was a commercial fisherman.
You know, he had hands as tough as boot leather, great big hands.
You know, he used to captain a fishing vessel before you could have captained a patrol vessel during World War II.
And so he was just 100% the real deal.
And it was such an honor for me to get to know him and then to go back with him in the big Republican surge of 1994 to go back with him to Washington, D.C. All right.
So you told me, as you know, you know my background.
I got started just a few years younger than you, but I got started in 99 and 2000, you know, originally as a volunteer for Pat Buchanan.
So that was around the tail end of Jack Metcalfe's congressional career.
But you told me he was Trump before Trump on all of these issues.
Did anybody like what Trump has to say?
Jack Metcalfe was that guy.
Of course, he didn't have the benefits of having international name recognition and billions of dollars.
But you're talking about this was a guy who, if you liked Pat Buchanan and you liked Ron Paul and you liked the show, you would have liked Jack Metcalfe.
Is that an overstatement?
Oh, well, Jack and Ron were very close friends.
That's how I got to know Ron.
I never would have probably gotten involved with Dr. Paul if it hadn't been for Jack.
When Ross Perot was going around, and I'm not, you know, tooting his horn particularly, but when he was going around the country against NAFTA, Jack was the only elected official in the state of Washington that would sit on a dyaz with Ross Perot when he was standing in front of a bunch of union people saying we got to get we got to get rid of NAFTA.
We got to keep NAFTA from being enacted.
And as far as Pat, very close friend of my old boss, they used to talk fairly frequently and they were on the same wavelength.
I mean, let me tell you, totally.
All right.
So there you have it.
I mean, that should tell you all you need to know about Jack Metcalf.
Even though when I was talking to Lou earlier, that name didn't immediately ring a bell.
I went and looked him up and I instantly recognized his face, instantly recognized his photo and then read more about it.
I was like, yeah, everything he said is definitely adding up.
So that's who you served for as Congressional Chief of Staff.
So you were in Washington with him those six years he was in Congress.
What's that like being in being there at the Capitol moving and rubbing elbows with all of these people in power and in government?
You had to have seen and learned a lot.
Yeah, it was effing nauseating.
You want it straight across.
It was like, can I leave now?
And actually, as, you know, I had four little kids at home.
I actually lived in the district.
I never left.
And I live fairly close to where Jack lived.
I lived in Everett, Washington.
And so I would go back there a lot and with increasing Frequency over the years, but I actually never, I had a farm in Everett and I kept that farm.
Somehow, my, I should say, my wife kept that farm up.
But, uh, but no, I was back there plenty, went to the receptions, you know, met all these different people.
It's, you know, it's kind of interesting.
And of course, some people back there are serious.
And so it's great when you get to talk with them.
And of course, one of the first people that I met back there that I really loved being around was Dr. Paul because he was all business.
And as I said, him and Jack, they didn't agree on many things.
Jack was no libertarian.
And Ron, of course, very much of that stripe.
But anyhow, they got along very well.
They had a great respect for each other.
And because of that, I got a lot of access to Dr. Paul and to his staff.
And that was a beautiful thing.
And we fought WCO, we fought WTO together.
We fought Know Your Customer, which later got smuggled into the Patriot Act.
We were successful on that one at the time.
Anyway, so we had some big fights that we were in together.
And that part was great, but a lot of it was not so great.
Well, I can only imagine.
But this is why you're such an interesting guest to have on is because while so many of us could only have half-baked theories about how things actually work in Washington and what it would be like to be there and what's really going on, you saw it firsthand.
You saw it firsthand for six years and you knew these people.
You knew our friends.
You knew Pat.
You knew Ron Paul.
Obviously working with Jack Metcalfe, you got to meet the good, the bad, and the ugly up there.
And so you, as much as anybody we could talk to, except for some of our congressional friends, some of these congressmen that we talked to, you can let us know exactly what it's like and exactly why things go the way they go.
And, you know, I think I still say the first time we had Steve King on this show, you know, it's not an elaborate plot.
It's not an elaborate conspiracy why people sell out and do what they do, looking after number one.
He laid it out point by point how you elect good people and they go up there and they get corrupted or they sell out and this is how it works.
And he just laid it out boom, It was just, it was very simple.
It was very simple.
But anyway, I'm sure you can relate to that.
There is a system, James.
There is a system.
And I don't mean a system as a big conspiracy, which there are many conspiracies that do.
But in other words, you know, the right will elect somebody and send them back there and oh, fight all these battles.
But every interest group in the world is against these people.
And so you saw even on the other side.
Pardon the interruption, Lou.
We're coming up on a break.
But even on the other side, you saw Corey Bush.
I mean, AIPAC just drowned her, drowned her in financing for her opponent.
You know, she was a squad member.
She's gone now.
So that's real.
We'll be right back.
Lou Moore.
Can't wait for the rest of this hour.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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This is just thrilling for me because as we're going to transition now into this segment with the Ron Paul campaign for president in 2008, working on an exciting and insurgent, challenging campaign.
You know, I can relate to that now.
I was a lot further down the totem pole than campaign manager in 2000.
But, you know, you can work your way up.
And by the end of that campaign in 2000, I was doing press appearances as a spokesman for the Buchanan campaign.
We did some interesting things.
And that was an interesting year and it changed my life.
And so I can only imagine what it would have been like to have been in your shoes, Lou, for another guy, very similar on so many issues, inspirational in so many similar ways, Ron Paul.
And we talked with Lou in the first segment about serving as Congressional Chief of Staff for Jack Metcalf and how he met people in Washington and maintained his relationships.
And we fast forward from 2001 now to the mid-2000s, and Ron Paul's getting ready to run for president.
Now, I had friends who were grassroots activists for Paul.
And even though we were already on the radio by 2008, I wasn't too good or too much of a prima donna to go out and do these.
We would meet at midnight and we would go out and we would put up signs.
And I did that.
And I voted for Ron Paul in 2008.
And we were going out at midnight and we were putting up signs, the Ron Paul Revolution with love spelled backwards in the sign and all of that.
If you remember that, I'm sure you do.
But what was that like?
Because I'll tell you what that was like.
I'm sitting in Arlington, Virginia, getting calls from the transportation departments of damn near every state or darn near C. Because we were putting them on overpasses.
We were putting them on overpasses.
And as though, oh, we had nothing to do with that.
These are just exuberant supporters, but that's kind of a funny story.
So I called my stepmom, who is in Phoenix, Arizona.
And I called her and she goes, How's the campaign going?
Everything, I'm telling her a lot of this.
She goes, Well, I met these young people, and we go out late at night and we put these signs up over Overpass.
I'm like, oh, you gotta be funny.
Is funny that you would even know about that and that you got calls about that because I was one of those overpass sign hangers.
And it was only because I supported Paul and was going to vote for him.
But when I had good friends who asked me, Hey, will you come out and do this with us?
And I'm not going to let a friend down.
Plus, it was a cause I supported.
So I was happy to go out and do that.
But I still remember it fondly.
We were scurrying around, dodging traffic at midnight and putting up these signs.
And so that was 2008.
I remember it well.
So, you know, to be the campaign manager of something like that, because all the excitement in the Republican Party in 2008, and we're going to connect the dots from Pat to Ron Paul to Donald Trump, and Lou Moore can do it in a way that none of that we can't.
What was that like?
To be a part of that insurgency, nobody was excited to vote for John McCain and Mitt Romney in those years.
The donor class installed them.
We understand that.
And we understand how that happens.
But the excitement in those two cycles was Ron Paul and nobody else.
Well, James, I'll tell you just an anecdote that way.
So I came back one night to the campaign office in Arlington, and I'm with the chairman of the campaign, Kent Snyder.
I'm the campaign manager.
And I'm thinking, you know, what's wrong?
There's something wrong here.
I'm looking out.
There's all these young people.
They're all on the phone, about 30 of them.
They're all talking different people.
It's 12:30 in the morning.
These kids wouldn't go home.
They wouldn't leave.
We were just working around the clock and not even thinking twice about it.
It was crazy.
But yeah, the energy was unbelievable.
And particularly, and I was not a young person, even at that point.
But the young people around me, it was just something else.
It was just something else.
I have never experienced anything like it before or since in politics.
You go to louemoore.com, L-E-W-M-O-O-R-E, LouMoore.com, you'll find a picture of a very sharp and dapper-looking Lou Moore walking out of what appears to be a diner, maybe at a campaign stop with Ron Paul right there at his right flank.
And it just, again, as a guy who cut his teeth on these long shot campaigns, there's something just very nostalgic and even romantic about this.
And I just can totally relate in some ways, not in the way that you can, but I can relate in some ways in fighting for something against all odds.
And, you know, there's just being that spirit of camaraderie of people who come together for such a cause, knowing that it's, you know, it's you against the world, and there's just something brilliant about that.
And so to be the campaign manager of something like that, what was, I have a feeling I know what you're going to say.
Oftentimes, you hear the cliche: don't meet your heroes, they'll always let you down.
What was Ron Paul like in person?
Well, Ron is kind of a private and reserved person in person.
I mean, he's a nice man, very polite, kind of reserved.
But let me tell you something, James.
Yeah, you hear about Paul Ditches, they have their stump speech and all that.
Ron would go out there, but would have three events in a day, and he would have no notes, no notes, and he would go out and give three completely different speeches with unbelievable depth, but at the same time, just talking to the working person, something libertarians are not good at.
He was talking to the working people of this country and the energy at these rallies.
But he was no different.
He didn't walk out the stage and, oh, okay, we're done with those people.
Let's go drink it or something.
Nothing like that.
Very circumspect, courtly, kind of reserved man, but a good man.
Ron Paul is a good man.
That's exactly what I would have expected to say or expected you to say, and what I did expect to hear.
Now, let's talk about the opposition from what was then.
And again, folks, we're setting this up in sequence, segments one, two, three, and four with Lou Moore.
A little bit about his background.
And we're going to connect it to where the Republican Party is now, for good or for better or for worse, and where Lou hopes it may go from here.
But how we got to Donald Trump.
And you didn't get to Donald Trump without Pat Buchanan, 1992, 1996, 2000, Ron Paul, 2008, 2012, Donald Trump, 2016.
He will connect those dots in a moment, in a way, again, that we cannot, because he was in Washington.
He was a congressional chief of staff.
He was a campaign manager for one of the most memorable campaigns of this century.
Ron Paul 2008.
What was the pushback from the Republican establishment at that time?
Oh, my God, James.
Well, you know, they had not long after I arrived, and the campaign had already exploded before I got back there to actually become the campaign manager.
So one of the first things I did was I noticed that we were not invited to the big candidate debate in Iowa, Iowa being the first state.
And it's a debate that at that time was put on by the biggest Christian organization and the biggest taxpayer association together.
And all the candidates had been invited.
I didn't see an invite for Ron.
So I call these guys and they're like, well, he's not a serious candidate.
That's ridiculous.
We would never allow him in a debate like that.
This is a serious matter.
And so I'm in this little tiny cubicle office, which I shared at that point with the chairman, the August chairman of our campaign.
And he goes, we're going to put this on our website.
We're going to let people know that, call them and say, let Ron on the debate.
Well, we blew, we melted down the switchboards of both these organizations.
And then it got a lot wider than that, unfortunately.
Make a long story short, they wouldn't let us in this debate, but we decided to hold one across the hall in this same convention center where we had 1,500 people or they had 200 people.
And they had every one of these guys, Romney and Huckabee, and McCain.
And we had Ron.
And I mean, we just, we packed it and right in their face.
And I loved it, James.
It never did make sense.
It didn't.
It didn't make sense to me.
If you're part of the establishment, you're a neocon.
You're one of these, you know, you're a John McCain.
You know, Jack Metcalfe, you used the word Maverick, the adjective Maverick, to describe him in a very different way than Maverick was used to describe the left-wing liberal John McCain.
He was a Maverick because what?
He was a Democrat running as a Republican?
Well, okay, if you say so.
But it never did make sense to me why the GOP established, well, it did and it didn't.
Again, I say, why would you nominate a resurrected cadaver Bob Dole to run against charismatic Bill Clinton when Pat Buchanan was right there and all the enthusiasm was behind him?
Why sacrifice guys like Mitt Romney when Ron Paul could have really done something invigorating for the Republican Party, especially in 2012 against Obama?
2008, it was, you know, I believe an open seat because Bush was termed out.
Why not?
Why not?
But that's what the people want.
The people officially got it.
Go ahead.
Talk over you.
Well, we know some of the reasons.
I mean, Ron's platform would basically have shut down the entire operation that actually runs this country.
So that's number, that's kind of a big reason.
But the other reason is, I got to say, people who are party regulars, this is the part that's not a big conspiracy, but the people who really love going to all of the county meetings and all this stuff and all the friends they have and everything, they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
And they don't spend a lot of time studying this stuff.
I mean, people we know are interested in these issues and study them.
You know, they just believe what they're told.
And so they don't get it.
When there's big shifts happening, they miss the boat.
Hold on right there, Lou.
I could talk to a guy like this all night long.
Check out LouMoore.com.
Check out his book, Forerunner.
We're going to talk about that when we come back.
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Check out his book, Forerunner, The Unlikely Role of Ron Paul.
And this, of course, was written by Ron Paul's 2008 national campaign manager, our guest right now, Lou Moore.
And this is a book that tells how a brewing middle-class populist rebellion could first be seen in the surprising energy surrounding Ron Paul's presidential campaign in 2007 and 2008.
And the book further explains why momentum would continue to build on many fronts, exploding with the huge MAGA rallies and the election of Donald Trump in 2016.
We're about to talk to Lou about that, but one more parting question about the pettiness, Lou, of the Republican establishment towards Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012.
And please, my friend, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in even 2012, Ron Paul did better than in 2008.
And it got to the point where the Romney folks were seating the states that had high contingency of Ron Paul delegates at like the top of the arena and putting people who weren't even delegates closer to the stage.
I mean, it was, or not seating them at all.
I mean, the level of pettiness that I vaguely remember from that time was astounding.
It wasn't just pettiness, James.
A big thing they did, which really ticked off a lot of activists that weren't Ron Paulers, is they passed a rule fraudulently on a fraudulent voice vote, which they lost.
They passed a rule that said, If you at a county convention, if let's say John McCain or Mitt Romney, 2012 won the votes at the precinct level, that percentage had to carry through all the way to the national, that percentage to the national delegates, because what we were doing is because of the intensity and loyalty of our volunteers,
we would do good in a precinct, but at every level, we kept getting a higher percentage of delegates.
I don't know if the audience can follow me on this, but our people kept showing up at these meetings up the chain, and there was more and more of us.
By the time they started at the state level voting for who would go to the national convention, we would get a lot more folks.
This is the way it's always been done.
This is called an open caucus system, and they locked it down.
And I mean, people were not happy.
And, you know, there's Alex Jones has a video, I think it's still up, that shows this voice vote.
And there's Rank Priebus up there saying the eyes have it because they're putting this new rule.
Wow.
It's a prompter.
He's just reading it.
And the no's, I mean, are shaking the place, shaking the place.
And these are not just Ron Paul people because the conservatives knew this was targeting anybody that was not in the establishment and was not rigging any of these elections.
So that was a big thing that went on.
Just one example at that convention.
I would talk to you.
Listen, I got to say, I hope that this is the first of many appearances to come because I would talk to you for the full hour about this alone and nothing else.
It would be riveting.
And I want to continue this conversation, but I also want to move on just a little bit just to give a full picture here of how it all, all of this factors into the bigger picture.
But first, I'll share a quick clip.
This is from July of 2001.
And this is Pat Buchanan making a comment at a meeting in 2001 that I put on.
And it was like everything else that happened in the Reform Party campaign in 2000.
If it was going on in Tennessee, I was one of five people that had something to do with it.
And there's a picture of the night before this speech that Pat gave, there was a couple of hundred people there.
And we were all still figuring out what to do after the, you know, what happened in 2000.
And we stuck, you know, do we still fight for the Reform Party?
What are we going to do?
And it ultimately led to my own campaign in 2002 and here regionally and then getting into radio.
But there's a picture of me on the hotel room floor at about 4 a.m. the night before Pat gave this speech.
And I'm asleep on the hotel room floor where they let us use the copy machine.
Somebody took a picture of it.
I've still got that in one of my albums.
I'm holding flyers in my hand for the agenda for the next day.
And that's the way it was.
And I love that.
I love that.
But this is, I was about 20 feet away from Pat when he made this remark.
Now, he came in and he said he didn't know if he was in the right place because there was no fist fights that took place.
And it was a contentious takeover of the Reform Party in 2000, a very contentious and very raucous nominating convention in Long Beach, California that year.
But so, Lou, this is what Buchanan had to say in 2001.
And I think it's very interesting in light of this conversation we're having.
But I'm not here, my friends, to talk about the past.
I'm here to talk about the causes we fought for.
Because I believe these ideas and these ideals and these causes are right for America.
And I think their time is ahead of them.
It is not behind them.
That's the key.
That's the key takeaway, Lou.
And this is exactly what your book, Forerunner, talks about.
How did those campaigns of Buchanan and Paul lead to what we saw in 2016?
And then in the next segment, we'll get to where the GOP is now, where they should be, where we would like them to be.
But how far have they come since 2008, in your opinion?
Well, first of all, James, you know, they rose the flag.
I mean, they raised the flag up on some of these issues, and then events caught up to them.
In other words, back in 2007, it was a hard sell to say, oh, we got to get out of Iraq.
And we had every reason in the world never to have been in that conflict and never to stay in that conflict, being funded by debt.
But, you know, the communist China is actually paying for this war that we have to pay them back.
The whole thing was just ridiculous.
But, you know, one more National Guard deployment, one more bunch of soldiers coming back in the caskets with the flag on them.
Just over time, it was war on people.
But the big event, James, without any doubt, was the great meltdown of 2008, 2008, 9, and 10, where America saw that we lived in a rigged society.
I mean, in 2007, 2017, east of I-5, where I live in Everett, in 2017, 40% of the homes were underwater.
In 2017, from that event back then, I mean, people got screwed.
I don't know how else to say it.
And all this love for the system and all Mitt Romney and all that, that went out the window.
And that's why in 2016, Trump is winning primary after primary.
He's not even spending any of his money.
People have had it.
They wanted something different.
And why did we lose all these wars?
What was it?
What were these wars about?
And why is there no manufacturing in our country anymore?
I mean, suddenly people are just waking up, but it wouldn't have happened if Pat hadn't erased the flag.
If Ron hadn't erased the flag, there would have been nowhere to go.
And I've listened to some of your other shows.
Trump is paying very close attention to Pat Buchanan with that fight they had in the Reform Party.
Everything after that.
You remember the history you just mentioned?
You heard the shows and everything that Pat talked about when he said these issues, this cause that we fight for, the days are ahead of it, not behind it.
He went on in the rest of that speech, and he talked about immigration.
He talked about trade, talked about foreign policy, the three issues that Trump won on in 2016 and the issues that propelled Ron Paul's popularity in 8 and 2012.
And you can connect the dots so clearly.
And some issues propelled Ron's popularity or were hitting better than others.
I'll give you an example just real quick.
Ron is at this rally, and he starts talking about bridges and infrastructure.
And he's not that kind of guy.
He's not an infrastructure guy.
He's a monetary guy.
He's in these other issues.
And suddenly he stops and he says, why are we building bridges in Iraq when our own bridges are falling down?
And we got to build back our own bridges.
And James, the electricity that went across this packed house, you couldn't believe it.
I mean, I've never felt anything like it in my life.
And, you know, Ron did a great job.
He raised his voice, but he was hitting it right on the head.
The nationalist issue, you know, in that area, hitting it right on the head.
It was just solid Pat Buchanan.
Well, it was, as Pat said, I didn't make it, but the ideas did.
And it wasn't just his ideas, although, you know, certainly he was a catalyst for all of this.
But Ron Paul, no less than in some ways, as a member.
Listen, Ron Paul was a congressman.
His son is a senator now.
I mean, these guys were very much part of it.
I mean, you can say more or less or to the same extent, but these Buchanan Paul led to Trump.
Trump is there because of the ideas infused into the system by Buchanan and Paul.
Now, we got another break.
We got to take it.
But we'll be back with Lou Moore.
Check him out at LouMore.com.
One more segment.
Where's the GOP now, though?
Where does it need to be?
Where's Trump now compared to where he was in 2015 and 16?
And where does he need to be if he's not going to lose two months from now?
We're going to ask a guy who's run a presidential campaign.
I haven't.
Lou Moore has.
We'll talk to him next.
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Back with Lou Moore for what I hope will be the first of many appearances and collaborations to come.
I could go three hours with this guy and it would pass far too quickly as this hour is.
I almost hesitate to encourage you to tune into his podcast because I don't want to lose my audience.
But if you go to louemoore.com, you can do that.
And as I was preparing for the show this week, I listened to his podcast dated June 20th of this year, just a couple of months ago.
And when it comes to the topic of immigration, this is what Lou Moore himself had to say.
We're going to listen to a two-minute excerpt.
Talk about immigration for a minute.
I'm going to argue something right now.
And you may not like a lot of the things I say about immigration, but first of all, we've been programmed into believing that it's just kind of some central part of Americanism.
This is ridiculous, folks.
No way.
It's not true at all.
You know, if you look at the origins of our country and what made our country unique, what made it unique was the full flowering of Anglo-Saxon thinking, of Anglo-Saxon law, the Anglo-Saxon common law.
The center of America was the British culture, belief in the individual, belief in private property, and also in the spiritual aspects of America, the manifest destiny of America.
Then almost all Americans believed that America was blessed by God to have a central destiny in the future of mankind.
This had nothing to do with immigration, per se, but many new infusions of different peoples over the time from the 1700s until the present day began and then increasingly made it into something different.
They started talking about a melting pot.
There was still a center.
There was this Anglo-Saxon center, maybe the pot, but all of the different elements in it were making it something different.
But then we went to a new way of looking at immigration and our society after the 1950s, starting in the 60s, this idea of diversity, which really eradicates the center.
It makes no difference, no differential at all between the founding elements of the nation and just any ethnicity, any culture, any group that arrives here by any means.
And that that was just the most valuable thing in the world, diversity.
And what that leads to is irredentia, something I've talked about before, where you get competing claims for the land.
All right, there you go.
Folks, listen.
Louemoore.com, his podcast, Hour of Decision with Lou Moore.
Make it a weekly listen.
Lou gets it.
Lou gets it.
Pat Buchanan got it.
All right.
Read Death of the West.
Pat Buchanan knew it all too well.
Ron Paul never backed down.
I've seen speeches Ron Paul has given, not with the Confederate flag in the frame, but with the Confederate flag as the entire backdrop.
Ron Paul got it.
What put Trump in the White House more than anything?
Yes, he was anti-establishment.
Yes, he was anti, you know, these foreign wars, these endless wars, good on trade, but immigration, build the wall.
Immigration, build the wall.
If you have a multicultural society, a multiracial society, it's going to lead and foster conflict.
That's what got Trump in there.
Does he remember that, in your opinion, Lou?
And has he become the Republican establishment?
I mean, what would he need to do to win?
And I think if he said just one word, you know, you know, who else believes in race and in ethnicity?
The Democratic Party.
You look at their platform.
They list every race you can imagine, every ethnicity, except for one.
And if you're a person who mentions the one that they don't, of course, you're a racist.
We know that.
But they know that race is real.
Do the Republicans?
Well, that is a good question.
And I don't have a definitive answer to that, James.
But I mean, but as far as Trump goes, you know, politics is a cricket business by nature.
And a lot of people think, oh, Donald Trump, he's going to solve all of our problems.
Folks, he's not going to solve all of our problems.
I promise you, he will not.
Now, I am 100% for Trump.
If you have listened to any other episodes of my podcast, but I just think he buys us time.
But what he does, James, that is so valuable is he has this knack of exposing our enemies.
He exposes our enemies, and people seem to get a lot out of him.
And, you know, information moves fast now.
I mean, he hasn't moved the Overton window.
He's blown some pretty big holes in it.
And so, you know, I am not happy to hear him say, you know, everyone who graduates has a green card.
We're going to put their graduation certificate on their green card and give them a nice job in Silicon Valley.
I mean, I about threw up when he said that.
Totally against that.
But I still argue that overall, being a nationalist has meaning, and that meaning will grow in the minds of many people.
It's already happening.
It's always happening.
We go on Rumble.
Look at all these shows on Rumble now.
These kids are 18 years old.
God, they know more than I do.
I say that all the time, brother.
Listen, there are people that are half my age, and I was young at one time in this thing.
And compared to some people still young now, even firmly entrenched at middle-aged, but there are people 20 years younger than me that are smarter than I am now, and they do a hell of a lot more at that age than I ever will.
And they're coming up, and that is the future.
And there's no doubt about that.
But the question is: I mean, the Democrats realize that there's a racial component to this thing.
They pander to their base because they know that that's who they are.
That's what they want to be, and they want to deliver to their people.
Trump, you know, continues to try to court, you know, blacks are 13% of the population, homosexuals, far less than that.
If you got all of them, it wouldn't be as much as getting a larger share of the white population.
You've been there, though, Lou.
You've been there, though, on a presidential campaign.
And not just, you know, you weren't Rick Santorum's campaign manager.
The Ron Paul presidential campaigns were historic in 08 and 2012.
You were there.
All right.
Do you were there as a congressional chief of staff?
What is it that keeps Republicans from courting the people most likely to vote for them?
Why couldn't Trump just give one line between now and election day saying, working-class white Americans, I'm going to be your president too?
Why not just something that simple?
Why are they so eager to pander to everyone else except for their own base?
They're terrified of the establishment, James, or they're in the establishment.
I just talked to a friend of mine the other day.
He came up to the system, good guy, nothing wrong with him, good man, good family man, good faith in his life and everything.
And his company, not even that big a company, has this DEI.
And he goes, oh, every corporation has it.
They're terrified not to have it.
What's going on with these people?
I mean, it's not a bit popular.
Even some of the big companies are starting to shed it now.
But, you know, they're either terrified of the establishment or they are the establishment.
And what I argue and what we argued with Ron, and I mean, he totally, he was totally there, is I have a message.
This is my message.
I will send this message out to black people, brown people, blue people, red people, but I will not change my message.
I am against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
I am against affirmative act.
I am against these things that are evil.
They're evil.
And I'm not going to say they're not when they are, but I don't hate anybody.
And that is exactly how I think campaigns should be run.
That's exactly how I personally feel.
And but you don't trim your sales and you don't tell lies because the authentic candidate is a successful candidate today overall.
And it's going to be more that way, James, down the road.
If you're not upset, forget about it.
I hope you're right.
And listen, we have spent the entire hour cultivating and building up to this moment, letting the audience get to know you, get to know your background as a congressional chief of staff for Jack Metcalf, the campaign manager for Ron Paul's historic 2008 presidential bid.
And now getting to the issues that have defined this show for two decades.
And when you come back, I would love to talk more about that.
But do you think it's something you could see Trump doing between now and then?
Or is he content to lose by not courting the people most likely?
I'm not so sure he's going to lose.
But, you know, a lot of things have shaken up in the Trump world in the last two or three weeks.
If you were advising Trump, we got a minute left.
I got to ask you this.
If you were Trump's campaign manager, as you were for Ron Paul, what would you tell him to do right now?
I'd tell him to get rid of all the ethnic stuff and run on the economy and on energy and on getting rid of this DEI and this transgender garbage and hit it as hard as he can hit it and immigration.
Hard as he could get it and say, yes, I am deporting every one of them that I'm over here.
Yes.
Yes.
And not just because that's what you feel and what you would like, but because that is the winning message.
Yes.
Right now, that is the winning message.
And you get black people sad enough, Jerry.
You get all kinds of people cheered for that message.
Talk about leaving the audience wanting more.
Lou Moore.
Loumore.com.
I think we nailed it.
If I've ever done a good interview, this was it.
Lou, thank you.
Thank you, James.
I can't wait to talk to you.
I love your show.
Glad to be here.
I'm going to text you after I get done with this next hour.
Thank you for being on tonight.
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