June 15, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Well, welcome back, everybody.
Great night again tonight, as they always seem to be here on TPC, even after all these years, as I like to say, even after all these years.
Well, what's great is the company.
It's never work if you're having fun, and we always have fun with our audience and our featured guests who are, you know, truly comrades in arms and brothers in so many ways.
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Is the freedom of speech dead in America?
If so, what sealed its fate?
Well, when did it die?
Author and journalist Jason Kessler is going to offer his opinion while discussing his brand new book.
It's not even a month old, and we want to raise awareness of it and how you can get it.
And we're going to do so this hour.
But first, we're going to say hello to Jason.
Jason, great to have you back.
How are you?
Hey, I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me on.
Well, thanks for being back with us.
Of course, we were all together a month ago at the TPC anniversary conference.
And I heard from folks then and since then about how much they enjoyed meeting you.
And so I would like to relay those messages to you now while we're on the air together.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I had a great time.
I mean, there's no audience like a TPC audience.
All the best people, in my opinion.
Well, it was a good group.
There's no doubt about that.
It was a good group.
And so many in that group had paid a price.
And that's really what binds you together with folks.
And Jason, you've paid a price since Charlottesville, since that fateful day in August, so many years ago now.
And it doesn't even seem like it's been that long ago, but the years are certainly being tacked on to the calendar.
And we're going to get to that.
I've got the book in my hand.
Not only do I have a book in my hand, Keith, this is radio, not television, so the people can't actually see it.
So I'll have you vouch for me.
What's in my hand right now?
Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech, Jason Kessler.
Who do you see on the cover?
Jason Kessler at the top and an excerpt from the actual Charlottesville so-called riot at the bottom.
What's Jason doing at the top?
What is he doing here?
He's trying to speak, it looks like, and it looks like there are people behind him harassing him.
Well, we're going to get to all of that.
But Jason planted his flag that day for all of eternity, as it would turn out.
I don't think he could even foresee it.
Jason Kessler, you think about the Charlottesville so-called uprising or riot or whatnot?
Well, one thing we can say about Jason that we can't say about everyone there is that he never backed down.
And we're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that in the next segment.
I don't want to do too much foreshadowing and then tease.
But we're going to get to that in the next segment only because I would just like for Jason with this topic, I think, being somewhat germane to the book, and we hadn't actually planned to talk with Jason about this only because up until a few hours ago, we didn't even know that this would be a topic for conversation.
But Jason, your book is Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
People are witnessing it and experiencing it right now in Detroit, Michigan.
The AFPAC conference was canceled earlier today.
Yesterday, I guess last night, to be technical, but literally within 24 hours in advance of it being held.
How does this apply to your book?
And what are your thoughts on that?
Well, I mean, this is the first time that Fuentes has had an IRL cancellation as far as I know.
Of course, it's happened to a lot of explicitly pro-white activists.
Fuentes is kind of pro-white adjacent, but he's more of like he's something else.
He's more about Catholic supremacy or something like that, which sort of dovetails with the white stuff.
But he's got, I don't know, Bantus and Guatemalans and all kinds of other racial potpourri at his events.
And that's kind of protected him to some extent up until now.
And maybe this is a different chapter for them now that they're experiencing their first cancellation.
Well, that's the current front.
That's the important phrase up until now.
It looks like something has happened very recently, and there is even more censorship now than there was six months ago.
What do you think?
Well, I mean, I think that the level of censorship has been pretty bad at live events since Charlottesville.
And a lot of us have to slink around.
And, you know, we have to hold events under pseudonyms and different names for our organizations.
And some of us, like Jared Taylor, find particular venues that they've had legal success upholding their First Amendment rights, even if the venue receives pressure from counter protesters.
I think probably Fuentes will probably end up doing a lot of the same things that you guys have done and what Jared has done in the past.
I don't think that they're receiving a higher degree of censorship.
I just think they were a little cavalier because they kind of, they're younger guys.
They go out and they're like celebrating and live streaming and no one can mistake who they are and where they are.
And so I think that they're probably going to have to reevaluate that approach or find some kind of private venue like the Brimlows Castle to do the event in.
What do you think is going to happen between now and the presidential election and even more importantly, between the election and let's say January the 20th when the new president will be inaugurated?
I think that if anything goes down, it's going to be the left.
I think the right is, you know, very psyoped.
The right's been psyoped into oblivion.
If you look online, they think any act of organization is only something the feds would do.
And it's all a setup.
So they're tripping over themselves, you know, and they're terrified to go out in public and do anything.
Isn't it poetic justice now that groups like the SPLC and Vice and Media Matters are having massive layoffs?
I think all of those people thought that they were protected somehow and they had signatures like Brian Shelter at CNN, for example, losing his job.
It seems like, you know, it's, you know, turnabout is fair play.
Well, this is actually another big topic this weekend, Jason.
So yes, I mean, I would like to get your take on that as well.
Well, I think perhaps they're a victim of their own success.
I mean, the SPLC and the ADL and those types of groups were reaping a bonanza over the last few years.
After Charlottesville, you saw a number of, you know, like white nationalist adjacent terror attacks and synagogues and stuff like that.
And once those crazy people were out of the mix, you know, they started going after peaceful activists.
And then once they had beaten the pro-white activists into oblivion, gotten them fired from their jobs, harassed their families, et cetera.
Then they started going after Republicans.
And they were rapacious.
And now, you know, there's no threat for them to fundraise off of.
You know, they've beaten everybody down.
So now what's their business model?
Well, the thing is, they thought that they somehow had the invisible shield up and they were the good guys and therefore no one was going to mess with them.
And they're finding out that the real people that hold power are more than willing to mess with them.
Well, they've also had a sort of the revolution eats its own moment, you know, where a lot of these higher-ups at the SPLC are themselves being accused of being sexist and racist.
And the SPLC has some kind of union there.
So they're all saying, you know, that the SPLC doesn't respect the workers and demanding more money.
The SPLC, I guess, runs out of money to keep, you know, paying these people.
So they lay them off.
Well, it seems to be the pro-Palestinian.
Well, they've still got plenty of money.
There's no doubt about that.
Yeah, they've got so much money that they've been called out about it by certain groups.
But it seems that all the people that are getting the acts are the people that are protesting what the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, are doing against the Palestinians.
And that's interesting that now at this crucial moment in American politics, that the left is being split in half by what's going on in Palestine.
Well, I think that's interesting.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Jason.
I was just going to say that's a really good point because, of course, a lot of the funding for these types of groups comes from like billionaire Jews and Silicon Valley and corporate America.
And a lot of them are not too happy with the folks in the activist left because they're criticizing Israel during its war in Palestine.
And there's also another crucial factor here that the Jewish power and influence is learning.
And it was so obvious, it's amazing it took them that long to learn.
But in the eyes of their coalition of the margins and the others, which are basically all non-white people, Jews are white people.
The average guy on the street looks at a Jew and says, that's a white guy.
Well, anyway, we think they're getting the backwash for all they've done to white Gentiles because they are white.
We digress a little, but interesting that on the same weekend that Nick Fuentes' conference gets canceled, the SPLC, Media Matters, all of these other people are laying off white swaths of their employee base.
What's going on?
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Well, we wanted to take advantage, I guess, under the circumstances, these unforeseen circumstances to an extent, although it certainly is not unprecedented and perhaps should have been expected.
But this is the fourth AFPAC, the first three of which I was surprised to see that they were able to thread the needle as publicly promoted as they are and be able to pull off those events the fourth time.
Not so fortunate, but we were talking about that in the second hour and comparing and contrasting that to an event that we had held all the way back in 2008 that had some similar parallels.
But if anyone can relate to something being canceled, I think on a large scale, it's Jason Kessler.
He was the permit holder.
He was the man behind the United States.
The prime mover of Charlottesville.
That was, he's in the history books.
There's no doubt about it.
And for the first time and only just now, after nearly seven years, he has written the book, Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
I've got an autographed copy in my hand.
Jason, I guess I would ask you, as well known as the events of that day have been, what took you so many years to write the book?
Well, mostly just I was preoccupied with the fallout.
As soon as it trying to defend yourself.
We were under attack by the media, by these powerful Jewish attorneys from New York.
I mean, these are people on the level that go after corporate CEOs.
They go after Donald Trump.
Roberta Kaplan has repeatedly sued Donald Trump.
So we were guys, you know, without much money or power, and we're being attacked by the same people who attacked the president.
So I had to start a business to be able to have money to pay attorneys.
And I just, you know, and also it was a painful experience, to be honest.
So I wasn't ready to tell the story until now.
Let me ask you this, since you've brought that up.
What, if anything, would you have done differently in the planning and the execution of the Charlottesville protest if you knew then what you know now?
Well, there's so many things I would have done differently.
I mean, first of all, I wasn't aware of the sort of personality conflicts that go on in alt-right circles, especially at that time.
There was a real toxic brew of egomania and narcissism and just fabulous lying going on.
And I wasn't aware of any of that.
I was very idealistic and naive.
And I had all these people saying. horrible things about me, taking control of the rally from me.
I didn't get any intel that the police were standing down.
So I literally had to see that with my own eyes.
I would have trusted better people.
I think I would have pared the event down and made it more of a southern nationalist thing for the monument and not brought in all these Richard Spencer and different people that, you know, really have disgraced themselves and their legacy in the ensuing years.
I mean, Richard Spencer has celebrated the Antifa.
He's celebrated the Robert E. Lee monument being melted down.
He's just acted in a very disgraceful way.
So you have to go into a situation like that when the world is against you with guys who actually will stand shoulder to shoulder with you.
And there was very few of those.
But then you did learn about some like that, like Michael Hill, for example, with the League of the South.
That's why I say the Southern Nationalists.
I think in retrospect, like Michael Hill, League of the South, the guys from Identity Dixie, just the random, unaffiliated guys.
I mean, those types of people that I met and talked to at the political cesspool conference, those are the people who we should have based the rally around.
But see, it wasn't just about the Southern heritage for me.
It was also a free speech issue.
And all of these crazies were suddenly telling us what we could and couldn't say.
So I sort of picked the most controversial guys that I could find at that time as a way to just say, you cannot tell us what we can and can't say.
You know, so my thinking was in line with my values.
It just didn't work out correctly.
Well, this is the thing, Jason, and this is what actually we were talking about to put a fine point on it in the second hour.
Going back to an event that I had planned with David Duke in 2008.
In 2008, this was the first time.
This was prior to Amran, prior to V-Dare, prior to any of these other conferences being shut down when they had a legally binding contractual document guaranteeing that this event would be held.
As late as 2008, you could have David Duke's name on a contract and expect the hotel to accommodate you because of what?
Civil rights and all.
But that was the first time it didn't happen, November of 08.
And after that, you had Amran begin to get canceled and others.
But in 2008, you couldn't foresee that.
So in 2000, the year of the Unite the Right rally, you couldn't have foreseen that the police would stand down and literally watch a melee, literally watch people being accosted and beaten and not step in to intervene.
You know, you look at it back now from 2024.
Well, how stupid were you to try to hold a conference and expect that it would be that they would not cancel the contract?
How stupid were you to hold an event expecting your First Amendment rights of assembly and speech on property to be upheld?
But no, until that precedent changes as it was changed in 08 and it was changed in Charlottesville.
You couldn't have foreseen that.
I didn't foresee it.
You didn't foresee it.
There were no mistakes made as far as that is concerned, Keith.
Well, here's the situation.
We had all been force-fed all of that footage, just y'all in Eyes of the Prize by PBS and whatnot, of the poor, righteous black people protesting just to be able to eat at a restaurant and just to be able to stay at a motel or whatnot, just to eat at a lunch counter.
And you saw those people being lionized by the press, being lionized by the media, being lionized by all the authority figures in the United States.
And you said, you know, our rights are really important and they are going to be protected by the establishment.
But we found out that ain't necessarily so.
In fact, we found out that it all depends entirely on which side of the political aisle you're on.
And that's what happened.
But we expected in Charlottesville to be treated like the people at Selma and the people at Birmingham and all of that type of stuff.
It never happened.
I want Jason to answer that.
But before I do, I want to plug the book, Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech by Jason Kessler.
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But Jason, yeah, I mean, did you think that, hey, this civil rights thing is a unilateral deal?
It worked for them.
It'll work for us.
It works for everybody.
Yeah, they said our rights are all tied up together.
Yeah, at the time, I had a very different vision of myself and of the pro-white movement.
And the experience has really hardened me.
But at the time, yeah, I believed in a country which treated people fairly.
You know, if black people were allowed to do something, I thought white people should be allowed to do something.
And I saw us doing a civil rights movement like what the black people had done.
But now my eyes have been open that that's not a possibility.
And so many people, you know, they're very judgmental, you know, and it hurts them not to look at Charlottesville for what it is.
And in this book, you know, it's not just my word, although that's my testimonial about the whole thing, including the context months and years prior to the actual rally.
So people understand the formation of cancel culture and the cancel mobs and the riots that were going on all around the country that precipitated Charlottesville.
But, you know, we were made a lot of promises by the police.
You know, the police told me there were going to be eight squadrons of police officers to keep the peace, that there were going to be plainclothes officers embedded throughout the crowd.
And there were, you can see them sometimes flashing their badges in some of the photos, but they're just watching people get.
And you thought that the ACLU was going to be on your side and you thought that the federal courts had authorized you to be there and that that would be backed up by the police and by the constabulary generally.
And it was all what I was basing my decision-making process on was precedent.
In other words, things that had happened before, both legal and experiential.
And I was basing it on strategic tactics, you know, and it should have worked.
We won a monumental civil rights victory with that ACLU case for free speech.
And I think that if they had allowed that rally to go forward, we would have had something like a white civil rights movement.
The speakers at that event would have been broadcast on CNN and NBC and everybody around the globe.
The alt-right would have been ascendant.
And that's exactly why they had to cheat to win that game.
You know, we were playing chess, and then all of a sudden they knocked all the pieces off the board and put a bunch of checkers there.
You know, no one could possibly win that.
Well, Jason, the last chapter of your book probably hasn't been written yet.
Have you ever thought about going up against or bringing suit against the mayor of Charlottesville or the governor of Virginia for their failure to protect your civil rights?
Well, it's a rigged system.
I mean, I did.
I filed a law.
Yeah, exactly.
There was a precedent that police can't just stand there and watch you get attacked by violent hecklers and use that as a pretext to declare unlawful assembly.
And it's plain as day in the legal precedent.
Other judges have ruled that way in the past.
And suddenly the judge in our case just says, no, that's not true.
The police have no duty to protect you.
And it's like, are you serious?
And they've even gone so far, even if you were like Gandhi, you were 100% peaceful, the police have no obligation to stop, you know, violent hecklers from attacking you.
That is why it literally is the death of free speech.
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But we're with Jason Kessler, author of Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
If you would give me the indulgence, I would read now from the back cover of this book.
This will really, I think, surely entice you to make the purchase.
New from dissident press for the first time anywhere, Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech recounts the full, true story of what happened at the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, from the pen of Jason Kessler, the man who organized it.
Charlottesville was the blueprint for subsequent government traps like January 6th and No Political Activist is safe without understanding the implications of what unfolded there.
This is an imperative cautionary tale for patriots about how legitimate protest is exploited by bad actors.
Swirled in misinformation and conspiracy theories from both the left and the right, Kessler, a journalist with bylines at V-Dair, Countercurrents, and the Daily Caller, walks the reader through the true story of the tumultuous first year of the Trump presidency with anti-speech riots from Antifa and Black Lives Matter rocking cities from Washington, D.C. to New Orleans and Berkeley before finally culminating in a deadly government trap in Charlottesville, Virginia.
There, the incredible happened.
Police aided and abetted a riot to shut down a permitted free speech event.
Helicopters fell from the sky.
Cars crashed into protesters, and dozens were wounded.
The media would have you believe that this is the fault of the permitted protesters, who, with the help of Kessler and the American Civil Liberties Union, effectively relitigated the territory of the famous U.S. Supreme Court case, National Socialist Party of America versus the village of Skokie, protecting the rights of Nazis to march in a Jewish suburb of Skokie, Illinois.
Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech collects seven years' worth of research from Kessler's Freedom of Information Act requests, civil lawsuits, and meticulous research proving definitively that decision makers in the Charlottesville and Virginia government intentionally sabotaged the rally and then destroyed critical evidence in a desperate cover-up of the truth.
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This is the guy who did it.
Keith, very quickly.
Okay.
Jason, who do you think was the primary villain out of all the people in this?
Great question.
Was it the governor of Virginia?
Was it the mayor of Charlottesville?
Was it the police chief of Charlottesville?
Or was it Richard Spencer and people like that?
Tell us who it was.
Oh, well, I don't think I have enough information to definitively answer that because, you know, I mean, what if there were people at the national level that we haven't been able to identify?
You know, certainly the decisions of Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe not to send in the National Guard to keep peace was a major factor in the situation getting out of control and turning into a riot.
But was he acting on his own or was he being told by Hillary Clinton or the DNC to do that kind of thing?
I mean, it certainly seems like the Democrats are good at not allowing any tragedy to go to waste.
They exploit disasters that they create and use them to bludgeon their enemies like Donald Trump, Republicans, the alt-right.
If there was one person that, in my mind, had the most to do with it, it would either be the city manager Maurice Jones, because he's technically the one who was in charge of the Charlottesville government, or it would be the Jewish mayor, Mike Signer.
Now, once you start to understand the situation in the Charlottesville government, you'll understand they have a weak mayor system.
So he wasn't really in charge.
But what he did was he usurped the authority from these other figures.
He started calling in his connections at the ADL.
He called Jewish FBI agents.
He had these big attorneys with Boise Schiller Flexner come in.
And he basically twisted everybody's arm.
He brought in the other city councilors in this secret meeting and told them, you know, look, we need to move this rally.
And that's what happened when they canceled the permit was that the police had a plan, supposedly.
They never shared it with me, but they said they had a plan for Lee Park.
And then this mayor came in and basically told the police chief and the vice mayor, you need to move it to this field far away.
And even his attorneys with Boise Schiller Flexner were telling him that there is no way this is going to pass constitutional muster.
The Lee statue is part of the message of the protest.
And so a judge isn't going to go for it.
But they tried to change everything around at the last minute.
They forbade the police from talking to me about the plan that, you know, I never got to see.
So, and on the day of the rally, he was running around thinking he's the hero of the day, trying to get into the command center with the police chief and the FBI and so forth.
So, I mean, I think that that mayor, Mike Signer, could be the ultimate villain.
What about the police chief?
Well, I mean, of course, there's so many people that are culpable.
I mean, I was just asked for one in particular.
But yeah, the police chief is the one who said, let them fight.
He's the one who gave the order to allow the riot to take place.
I have a lot of documents in the footnotes, which are easily viewed with your phone.
So you can scan things with your phone using a QR code, and you can view videos, documents, everything that you can show to your friends and family that will prove 100% that this is the truth about what happened.
But the police chief was sending emails to the city manager about other police standdowns, like the one in Berkeley and how that led to violence.
So they were 100% clear on what was going to happen if they failed to intervene.
And it did.
And what about the governor of Virginia?
Well, as I said before, Terry McAuliffe, you know, he was in control of the National Guard.
And while all of the fights were taking place outside of the venue, all the stuff that makes it on CNN and so forth, what you don't see is there was a parking lot right across the street with hundreds of National Guardsmen in uniforms just standing there doing nothing, just watching people get beat up.
And all it would have taken is for Terry McCall to give the order to send those people in.
And ANCIFA wouldn't be attacking people, you know, if there was National Guardsmen there.
And there's all this sort of gaslighting saying that the permitted demonstrators were violent.
You know, it was a conspiracy to attack racial minorities, is what the Jewish attorneys say.
Well, you know, if they cared about that, why didn't they send in the National Guard?
Who would have been fighting on either side if they had done their job?
And that's what we asked them to do.
Well, Keith and I are looking through the book right now.
have this pretty provocative photo of former Charlottesville Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy wearing a t-shirt that has that dreaded word on it that they don't like to say but they so-called N-word.
But this is another thing about the book, not to shift gears too radically here, but Jason, this is an incredibly illustrated book and with very sharp laser-like photos of all the major players.
Yeah, on nearly every page, there's an illustration that really just takes you that you have the text and the visuals to paint the full picture here.
It's a very well done book.
Congratulations, Jason.
Thank you.
Yeah, the book is $27 paperback and $44 hardcover.
And that we tried to keep the price as low as possible for folks, but it's a little bit more expensive than some other books.
And the reason is because we had to spend a lot of money to get these nice, high-quality photos in there.
What we have is we have some of the most famous photos of the event, the ones that everybody's seen.
You know, there's a guy with the flagpole attacking James Guild's car.
There's Richard Spencer getting pulled out of the park by police.
But then there's a lot of other stuff that has never been released before.
Like we literally paid somebody for still shots from a drone camera that was flying overhead.
So for the first time ever, you can see the crowd and what it looked like in the park during the event.
I went through my phone and my personal photographs are in there, including, you know, for instance, Sam Dixon talking to the Torchlight demonstrators on May 13th.
That was the first torch demonstration, and all of it is illustrated for it.
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I'm thumbing through this book as we talk with its author, Jason Kessler.
And if you just bought the book to look at the pictures and read the captions, that would be enough.
Not to mention the 40-plus chapters, each of which read like a short story, and each of which cover a different aspect of the event itself.
It's an exhaustive treatment of the whole episode.
It is it.
This is the definitive source for our side of the argument on that, which is the truthful side.
But people say, well, you know, Columbus, if he hadn't found America, somebody else would have found it eventually.
I get that.
But the thing is, he was the guy who did it.
If it hadn't been in the eye of the hurricane.
If it hadn't been Charlottesville, it would have been something else later that they would have used and manipulated for the ends that they had in store.
That's fine, but it wasn't.
It was Charlottesville, and only one man put it together.
Only one man put his signature on the permit, and that was Jason Kessler.
So he gets to step into the moment.
He is the history.
He's part of it.
He's a definitive source because he was in the eye of the hurricane.
You know, I've heard places like Charlottesville described as little ivy-covered North Koreas.
And I kind of brushed that off until the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally happened.
And it's quite obvious that that is enemy territory.
You know, the fact that it's in a southern state doesn't matter.
There's something that's happened to academia and particularly academic towns like Charlottesville that I don't think anyone could have predicted.
They've been totally taken over by cultural Marxism.
The long march through the institutions has definitely gone through higher education.
And Charlottesville and the University of Virginia, that's supposed to be a top southern university.
And it has just become a hotbed of anti-white indoctrination.
Is that too strong a statement, Jason?
Or what do you think?
No, absolutely not.
I refer to the University of Virginia as the vampire's lair.
You know, in the horror movies, when the vampires start taking over your previously sleepy and well-adjusted town, normally they have a layer where they're all breeding, and it's that university.
And I realized that soon after the event when I tried to go there and study in the law library, and all the most radical people were there waiting for me.
And I said, oh my God, what have I stepped into here?
And then it dawned on me, this is not just Charlottesville.
This is everywhere in the country, everywhere that's got one of these universities there.
That is where the most radical anti-white leftists are are really everywhere.
Hushpunk in a junior college.
Well, to varying degrees.
But Jason, let me ask you this as we fast forward just a little bit, I mean obviously, the history of this and the precedents that it set and all of that uh, this is, this is the book.
If Charlottesville and let me just put it this way, if Charlottesville interests you, which I I still say Out of all the years we've been on the air, pound for pound, minute for minute, hour for hour, the best three hours.
If I had to put forth one program to say this is what we can do, it was the three hours on the night of August the 12th, 2017, when we were live on the air with eyewitness reports, one after another, a dozen of them over the course of the three hours from Charlottesville.
Runs totally contrary to the establishment media version of events, but it was all real.
It was all raw, and we had it live just literally minutes after what unfolded that day took place.
It was an amazing show.
And so Charlottesville interests me, even though I wasn't there.
If anyone, by the way, we did, of course, and we covered it, and we were covering it.
We had Jason on in advance of that night to promote it.
And we've covered it for years since.
So Charlottesville certainly interests me for so many reasons.
If it interests you, this is the definitive accounting of it.
Dissident.press, get your copy tonight.
But there is new news out of Charlottesville.
We actually had Augustus Invictus on the program last week and he touched on it, although briefly.
Jacob Dix, you've been covering this.
Jason, you had a hand in it.
We're probably not giving this enough time, nearly enough time with only five minutes remaining.
But please comment and share with the audience the latest good news that has happened in a court in Charlottesville.
Yeah, the torch cases, people being charged for peacefully protesting while holding a TG torch, some of that is in the book, you know, but this new ruling is, or verdict, whatever you want to call it, is so fresh that it's not in the book.
And it's been something that I've been collaborating with the defendant, Jacob Dix, and his attorney, Peter Frazier.
I've tried my best to help these guys because I don't want them to feel alone or they're left behind.
I think that there's a big problem in politics with guys being left behind, the left for dead, and I didn't want to do that.
And so we found a lot of evidence.
We were able to get the judge recused because he was actually a witness to the events and hadn't disclosed that.
We were able to get the prosecutor and the entire Commonwealth's attorney office recused because the assistant prosecutor did not disclose he was an activist with Black Lives Matter and Antifa during the events in question.
And so with this new prosecutor, with this new judge, they were able to fight them to a standstill.
They got a mistrial.
So it was a hung jury.
But and even though double jeopardy doesn't attach in a mistrial, that means they can try it again.
It's a very positive result because this was in Albemarle County, which is the county right bordering Charlottesville.
Eight of the votes were not guilty.
Three were guilty and one undecided.
So the split was in his favor.
And if they decide to retry it, I mean, it's very unlikely they're going to be able to get a guilty with that kind of split.
So this is a rare victory for free speech in Charlottesville.
And I would say this, as you mentioned, eight to three to one was split eight in favor of Jacob Dix, who was, you know, you're talking about after so many years, more than half a decade, the so-called law enforcement officials were coming after these tiki torch marchers, charging them with felonies.
And a lot of them were pleeing out.
I can't say what any of us would do or not do in that situation.
But Jacob Dix was the first one to roll the dice and say, no, no, I'm going to stand my ground.
I'm going to dig my heels in.
And if I go to trial and I lose, it's going to make it 10 times worse for me.
But that's what I'm going to do.
And he won.
And that's another thing that you just didn't see coming.
I don't think you wouldn't have bet the farm on it anyway.
But how profound was that for you, Jason, to see this guy didn't plea.
He didn't take the deal.
He went and he challenged the system.
And he won.
And he won.
What does that mean going forward?
He's a hero to me because, I mean, I understand why guys would plead guilty and they just want to get it over with.
But he emboldens these people.
And they're just going to keep coming and keep coming and keep coming until somebody says this far and no further.
And after he beat it, you know, they tried to offer him some little deal to take a misdemeanor because they want to save face and say, well, we still got a conviction.
And he told them no.
And what he told me, and I printed this in the countercurrence article I wrote about this verdict.
He said, you know, I would rather take a felony than allow these people to come after my comrades for peacefully protesting.
And so he has the totally right attitude.
You know, he is a good representative.
He's a humble and amiable guy.
His spirits have been high throughout this ordeal.
He's always smiling in front of the cameras.
He makes us look great.
So he's the perfect guy to go first and beat this thing.
Well, let me ask you this, Jason.
One minute remaining, dissident.press, get the book, Keith.
Final question.
I think that the whole justice system in Virginia, whole government should be ashamed of what has happened to you and to the other protesters at the United Right rally.
Tell the audience briefly about the Healy report or the He report.
He reported Heathy report.
Well, that was an independent review.
This former federal prosecutor, Tim Hefey, was hired by the Charlottesville government to investigate what happened.
And he found that it was essentially the Charlottesville government's fault that they failed to protect free speech, that the police chief had destroyed text messages, that he had said, let them fight.
But that's just the beginning of it, really.
A lot of us in our circles know about the Heathrow report.
I've found so much that's gone beyond that through my civil lawsuits and other things.
I found that the city manager also destroyed his text messages, possibly in violation of criminal statutes.
So I think that we nail them to the wall for the history books in Charlottesville and the death of free speech.
And at some point, when the passions have cooled in the future and historians actually want to look at our perspective, because they look at everybody's perspective eventually, then they're going to have this account and the evidence is there in black and white about what really happened.
All right.
Well, folks, that being said, and that having been said, we are just about out of time.
Jason Kessler, our guest, the book actually, I think, was made available and put into the hands of the public for the first time last month at our conference.
And it's great to have him back on tonight.
Remember, this is actually one of the incentive gifts that we're offering for people who donate to TPC's second quarter fundraising drive.
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Great books on Charlottesville, Charlottesville Untold by Ann Wilson Smith, A Walk in the Park, my Charlottesville story by Patrick Martin, but this one by the man responsible for the entire thing itself.
Magnum opus.
Jason Kessler's Charlottesville, The Death of Free Speech.
Thank you, Jason, for being on with us tonight for Warren Balog.
Keith Alexander, I'm James Edwards.
We'll be back next week.
And that'll be my birthday.
So we'll look forward to that.
And thank you, Jason.
And everybody, keep the faith.
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