Dec. 9, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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Love and joy come to you, and to you, glad Christmas too.
And God bless you and send you a happy new year.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to tonight's live broadcast of TPC.
In the Christmas spirit, we are this Saturday evening, December the 9th.
We are live, James Edwards and Keith Alexander.
We've got an interesting first hour for you when we bring back to the program not just one, but two fantastic international guests.
They'll be making a joint appearance here shortly.
A little later on in the show, Keith and I are going to spend some time together one-on-one with you.
We're going to be discussing Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
And boy, was that eye-opening, why Christian nationalism was trending on Twitter this week and return our attention to the Middle East and how that current conflict is going to impact the forthcoming election year.
And the Iowa caucus is like a month away.
So presidential season is here upon us as soon as the calendar flips to 2024.
But before we get to any of that and all of that, we want to welcome back our good friend Jonas Nilsson, the popular and acclaimed Swedish filmmaker who joins us tonight, not from Sweden or from South Africa, but from Estonia.
Estonia.
Jonas, how are you tonight in Estonia?
Very late over there.
Yes, I'm doing great.
This was a nice Freudian slip there, not in Freedom.
It's more Freedom than Sweden and South Africa, but not really right where we want it either.
And no, no, it's awesome.
It's this classical winter snow landscape.
We have had snow for the last month and it's freezing cold, so it's very nostalgic for a northerner as myself.
I think it would have to be.
I've not had the opportunity to travel to Estonia, but it seems as though that capital city, that medieval capital that they have there, is just everything.
As most European place.
You know, those three in Estonia, even foremost among those three, I think, is the most European capital of Europe today.
And you actually moved over there from Sweden here just very recently within the last couple of months.
What can you tell us about that decision?
It's very close culturally to Sweden.
Estonia, like back in the days, when you have this technological shift, you also redrawn the geographical maps.
And when it was easier to move over water, Estonia was part of Sweden.
Then it later became part of the Polish Empire and later the Russians.
And it had this entire struggle.
But so it's very culturally close to my homeland.
And my fiancia has an Estonian citizenship and the major deal breaker for us.
We have two daughters and they're closing up to school age.
And in Sweden, we are forced to put our schools kids into the school system and have them physically there.
And the state of the school in Sweden is horrible.
I can't describe it other than full-on child abuse and I will not put my kids through that.
And so we decided that we will homeschool and we oriented it to one of those countries that actually grants us that freedom.
And it's also ridiculous that it is a grant.
They lend that freedom to us, something that is so certain within ourselves that our children are ours to raise.
But society have other ideas that the responsibility lies within the broader society to make sure that our children became good citizens through their lenses.
And where I stand, that's a horrible thing.
Jonas, this is Keith.
Let me just ask you this.
Is Estonia what Sweden used to be back in the good old days?
Keith, that's a fantastic question.
And Jonas, I was going to ask you something similar.
How would you, on the northwesternmost part of Europe there, up there in the hinterlands, how would you compare Estonia today to Sweden today?
I think they are, in some sense, they are where Sweden were in the 80s, like normatives, how we perceive some cultural values and things like that.
And also demographics.
We need to almost travel back to the late Swedish 80s to actually have this kind of demographic and lack of these major waves of immigration.
But when it comes to politics, they are not that far behind.
And being a small country in the shadow of Russia, they look very not nostalgic back to the when it belonged to Sweden, but they look up to the Scandinavian countries in particular, but also to the European Union.
And they want to be good members of the European Union, even though they have a big opposition party to those liberal tendencies.
It's still like if nothing is being done, the passive route forward is to what Sweden is today.
Are they frightened of Russia?
You have a very small Russian minority here, which in Tallinn is almost like 50%, which makes it a little bit twofold.
It makes them a little bit afraid because that gives Russia a very good, they have a very big base here due to that demographic.
Good excuse to take them over.
Yeah.
Uh, yes.
Uh, besides the, the other more like a strategical reasons of, uh, establishing fruit to the Baltic seas.
Um, but, uh, yeah, people are, I, I don't really feel it as a foreigner in this country.
I don't feel that people are on the toes.
But my fiancé says that, who is a little bit more into the country, says that they are a little bit more edgy against Russia, at least, than we'll be able to do.
I think so too.
We had the opportunity to talk with and meet and interview on this program, Ruben Caleb, at the Amerin conference a few months ago, and he was a former member of the Estonian Parliament, very young guy, very sharp, certainly a nationalist, certainly on our side on so many issues, but he has an ashtagram with Russia as a nationalist.
And so I thought that was a lot of fun.
What we learned too about Europe is that people identify with their national identity and not just as white people as you do in America.
Yes, much more so.
Well, I think you described it well, Jonas.
I mean, there is just an all-inspiring natural beauty to Estonia.
People haven't ever at least even looked at pictures, you know, certainly do that.
But those nations that were behind the Iron Curtain were inoculated.
They were protected from the poisons of Western liberalism.
It's like the southern United States.
It's good to be backward.
Well, but at the same time, as Jonas said, they may be 30 or 40 years stunted, but they're trying to catch up.
And that is not a good thing.
Or at least some of them are trying to catch up.
And some of them, of course, know that they're in a better position.
Well, anyway, very interesting.
Past 2 a.m. as we broadcast live tonight.
It's a quarter past 2 a.m. and Jonas stayed up.
He said it reminded him of being in college again, staying up and pulling one of these all-nighters to be on here with us.
But the reason we brought Jonas back to the show tonight, I did want to check in and just see what the situation was in Estonia.
I know it's cold there tonight, but above and beyond that, that was a little interesting treatment.
But we brought Jonas back on the program tonight to talk about a book that he has put together, Arania, Building the Nation.
Yes, we're going to shift our focus to South Africa, where Jonas has had such a great impact and focus on himself.
And Simon Roche will be joining us here in just a few minutes as well.
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Let us tell you now a little bit more about our featured guest, this hour, Jonas Nielsen.
In addition to being a good friend of ours, I had the chance to meet Jonas at a conference in Chattanooga two or three years ago.
Maybe it was four or five.
They all burned together.
That was a few years ago anyway.
And we just instantly hit it off.
He's a great guy, staying in touch.
He's a political scientist, author, and documentary filmmaker.
He holds a bachelor's degree in political science, and he left before earning his master's to found Palaestra Media in 2018.
Now, Jonas is best known for producing the documentary South Africa a reversed apartheid in 2018, which highlights the precarious situation of the white minority in South Africa.
He has since followed up that feature with other projects such as the Boer Project, which includes interviews and other documentaries.
He has since produced the documentary, the series, Why is Sweden Multicultural and The Powers You Never Chose?
As an author, Jonas has also written, among other things, When Migration Becomes Conflict, Political Group Dynamics, which focuses on the conflicts that arise in multiculturalism from a demographic in a multicultural society from a demographic perspective.
So that's a little bit about his background.
And we will, well, my goodness, I just turned off the entire studio computer.
But thankfully, not the one we're using, so we'll fire that one back up.
But anyway, Jonas, you have written the book.
Well, if you can even call it that, it's much more than that.
Irania Building a Nation.
Excuse me, I just got corrected.
Irania.
It's a short A. Irania Building a Nation.
This is really something.
Just give me a quick answer on what this book is, and then I'm going to read a little bit from the preface, if you don't mind.
The short answer would be that it's an inspiration for our future.
It is.
Well, that is a short answer.
But it is in fact a perfect one.
This is from the preface now.
And by us, you mean white people, right?
Yes.
Irania Building a Nation.
Sorry, continue.
Yeah.
Well, just from the preface, and I'll turn it back over to you.
You are, in fact, the author.
But welcome to a book, it reads, that challenges conventional notions of what a book can be.
This work is a hybrid.
And folks, it truly is, as I hold it in my hand here in the studio.
It's a visual journey in the form of a photo book.
And I'm talking about the sharpest, clearest, most high-definition photos you could ever imagine that show the people and the landscape of South Africa and life in Irania.
It is an in-depth exploration of political dynamics and a cultural commentary.
It might be best described as an ethnological analysis with immediate contemporary relevance.
Despite operating under far more challenging conditions than we do in Sweden, Jonas writes, the people of Irania have managed to build a degree of autonomy and cohesion from which we can draw concrete lessons.
In a direct conversation I had with the chairman of the Irania movement, he told me, quote, it's either about focusing on saving something or losing everything, unquote.
This insight compels us to reflect on our own priorities and strategies.
Jonas, with that, I toss it back to you.
Yes, and that quote is so powerful, especially for lots of people that have been working for a better Sweden or better German or a better wherever we are and fighting this kind of like globalist influences with this multicultural world.
And all those manpowers that we have put into this struggle.
I've been into the nationalist movement since 1999.
And the only thing I can see is that we have worn out a lot of people who have not been able to bear the all those hours with nothing to show for.
And I think Uronia is a really good example of where you can actually sh show off some improvement not just for yourself, your family and the direct community of the people who live there because the people who are living there are so much better off than the people who live in Pretoria, Cape Town or Johannesburg or anywhere else in South Africa.
And with that foothold they are being able to create something magnificent and they take this aim for self-determination and nations of their own.
But regardless of that, even if you don't aim that much, just that thought process of community building that instead of focusing so much on the big questions like the major national politics or even go even further about talking about the big international relations and the big globalist themes and we just get soaked up into that work.
So we forgot about what can we really change with our own two hands and together with our neighbors and with our family that will actually increase the level of safety for our direct descendants and being able to live off a better Sweden for our children than the Sweden that we got ourselves.
I want to get the information on how people can learn more about the book or in fact purchase it before we bring Simon on in just a few minutes.
But just to go through the table of contents, you have chapters on building a nation, rolling up our sleeves, demography is destiny, financial freedom, the power of narrative.
A chapter on the Cape Dutch economic strength and sovereignty.
So you're certainly going to learn the who, what, where, when, and why about Irania from reading this book, but the photos, John is Jonas, this is the this is the definitive photo journal of South Africa of Orania and South Africa perhaps itself.
It really captures just the essence and the spirit of these people and their surroundings.
The photos alone are worth the purchase.
And it is, I just, folks, it's just hard for me, with my meager abilities, to paint a verbal picture of what I'm looking at as I flip through this book right now.
It is just what made you decide to include that?
Or was that the purpose all along?
That was the purpose all along.
And I think when I'm always thinking about the next project, I'm thinking what I bring to the table.
And being a filmmaker, I'm also a photographer in some sense because I'm building up these scenes through composition, even though it's like completely to a different profession, but they overlap in this way.
And the challenge with photography is that you need to build up this entire scene that you can do in a documentary where you work with 24 frames a second.
And here you only have one frame to not just capture a moment but to capture an emotion because that's what most visuals are when you look at the movie or look at the picture, you're absorbing the emotions from that moment.
And that is a big challenge.
And that's like the one sentence description of the book that it is an inspiration for white people that are stuck in this demographic challenge.
It's way too nicely to put it in the situation we're in.
It's to be an inspirational product, it needs to evoke emotions.
And I think just the text work need that help to get this like full-on emotional journey to understand what the Urania community is all about and the lessons that we can take from that community and apply to our own circumstances.
Well, South Africa generally is a cautionary tale to the white nations of the world about what comes from succumbing to the relentless pressure of liberalism and particularly liberalism from without.
Other nations and other movements trying to get you to change your society are always assured like the South Africans were that things are going to turn out all right and they've turned out anything but all right.
And Irania's attempt to gum back to what South Africa used to be, I guess.
Would you what does that sum it up or what how what would you add to that?
No, no definitely.
Urania is Europe and South Africa used to be Europe.
It's not anymore.
But Urania or Europe is wherever our people are, whether it's South Africa, whether it's wherever they rule.
New Zealand.
Well, that's one of South Africa.
But right, you know, we're not there alone, unfortunately.
We're in Memphis, too, but there's some similarities.
Jonas, give us the information on where people can find this book.
The book is on Amazon, or if you're in the U.S., Lulu.com also supplied the book.
Or you can get it through my page, SouthAfricainsight.substack.com.
We will remind everybody of that a couple of times before the hour concludes.
Irania Building a Nation at Amazon.com, a photo journal and all the information you would want to know about Irania and its people.
Irania Building a Nation by Jonas Nielsen.
We'll be right back.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, if you're betting on who's going to get a white Christmas this year, I think Jonas has higher odds than Simon or even us here in the Confederacy.
It's hit or miss.
Normally miss.
At least one good snow a year is about all we can depend on.
That's right.
And I do remember a white Christmas here, probably when I was a teenager, maybe in my early to mid-20s.
And we do get snow, but only, you know, but if it ever gets below freezing on a cloudy day, they shut down the entire city for like a week.
So there's all of that going on.
But anyway, documentary filmmaker, really talented artist, whether it be with the lens of a camera camera or a movie-making camera, Jonas Nielsen is just a real talent, and I'm glad that he's on our side.
Now, also joining us is Simon Roach, the spokesman, international spokesman for the Sightlanders and Emergency Plan Initiative, officially founded in 2006 to prepare Protestant Christian South African minority for a coming violent revolution.
Now, not one of their own making, but this is a civil defense and peaceful organization, not aggressive and legal in their preparation, constituted lawfully under the Geneva Convention, with a particular reference to Protocols 1 and 2 of the protocols additional for the protection of non-combatant civilian Afrikaners, women, children, and the elderly, and the non-abled-bodied in the event of a civil war in Mandela's multicultural wonderland.
Simon, it is great to have you on tonight in this joint appearance with Jonas Nielsen.
How are you tonight, my friend?
Good to talk to you again.
Yeah, I'm very well.
Thank you very much for having Saint London's back on your show, James.
Hello, Keith.
Hello.
How are you, sir?
Well, thanks.
And you.
Doing great, too.
But I tell you what, I don't think there's any doubt now that multicultural experiment in South Africa has not turned out well.
Well, it's not turning out well here either.
And we're going to get Jonas and Simon in conversation in just a moment.
But before we do, I would just remind everybody that, of course, Simon was on with us most recently.
Jonas was on with us back in our March Around the World series.
But Simon was on most recently with us just last month at a live broadcast from the League of the South event that he and I had the honor of addressing.
And he has been touring America.
Simon, catch us up on what we've missed and what you've seen since we last spoke with you the first weekend in November.
Well, since then, I drove up to Madison, Wisconsin, after Tennessee.
In Tennessee, I had the great privilege of being invited to visit T-Rex Arms after I last spoke to you.
And I addressed the Southern National Congress after the League of the South event.
I went up to Madison, Wisconsin, and spent a few days with Professor Jim Fetzer.
We held three meetings, three fantastic dinners over three days.
Absolutely splendid.
I've learned a lot from him.
He's a great mind.
And from there, I drove along I-80 and I-90 to northeastern Washington State, where I held a terrific meeting with a very man who may have some tremendous, tremendous input into your own crises as it develops further and further.
I can't give his identity.
And then I met, I had the great privilege of meeting James Wesley Rawls, the man who wrote the Patriots books and who has been an inspiration across the world to preppers and survivalists, particularly Christians who anticipate that the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
And after that meeting, I drove back here to Pennsylvania.
So I've done 8,815 miles from the time that I left Pennsylvania on, I think it was the 4th of October, until I got back three days ago.
8,815 miles.
I got to see a lot of the country.
The Dakotas were, well, they were flat, but in their own way, I thoroughly enjoyed the drive across the Dakotas.
Montana, magnificent.
Idaho, possibly my favorite.
Northeast Washington State.
You certainly have been everywhere.
Glorious.
That is a lot of traveling in a two-month period.
And of course.
We've seen more of America than you have, Jane.
But this is, yeah, it's something here because it is such a vast expanse of a continent that the diversity isn't quite as concentrated as it is in South Africa.
You can still run away from it to some extent.
Of course, we're suffering mightily in some of the urban areas and some states more than others.
Before we bring Jonas back into this conversation, because I really wanted, basically what I wanted to do, and what we will do here in just a minute, is Keith and I are just going to kind of step aside and let the two of you who share such a viewpoint on South Africa.
Exactly.
Thank you, Keith.
To converse with one another.
But Simon, you said when we were having supper together in Tennessee a few weeks ago that if you had an unlimited war chest, you would stay here through next year's presidential election.
What are you seeing here from the perspective of a South African?
What are you seeing taking place here in America and what makes it so interesting?
Well, I've repeated that.
The first time I said it was to you, and I've since repeated it umpteen dozen times to people.
It's not something that is feasible, but there surely won't be a more interesting place in the world and possibly hasn't been for many, many years than there will be in the USA over the forthcoming twelve months.
There's so much happening.
I'll give you one pretty random example among dozens that you could mention.
And that is I listened to an economist, a very dry guy of no political stripe, I'm pretty sure of that, give an assessment of US debt.
And as we all know, it's crept up to $33 odd trillion dollars.
And Janet Yellen has promised that it will be almost 35 by the 31st of March.
And this guy said the thing that nobody is talking about is that the year 2024 is the kind of black swan year for debt in the USA.
By absolute coincidence, well, it may have been planned, but apparently, by coincidence, $7 trillion of the 35 will mature next year.
And so he said, there is no magic to be made.
It means that by the end of next year, if Janet Yellen doesn't incur one more dollar's debt after the 31st of March, the US debt will be $42 trillion because they're going to have to raise money to pay off the $7 trillion that matures because there's a massive budget deficit, as we all know, of $1.7 trillion.
Now, that's happening just at the time that, as everybody knows by now, in the last two bond auctions, the Chinese and Japanese and major institutions all across the world, investment bank, pension funds, and so on, didn't buy US debt.
It was, you know, people were absolutely blown away by this unprecedented development.
They simply refused to do so.
So there's going to be a lot happening.
No two ways about it.
Donald Trump, the elections, the war going to war potentially is going to be the most fantastic twelve months.
You've got so much political stress.
You've got so much tension.
Two sides diametrically opposed to the other.
No national cohesion.
You've got the economic problems with the inflation.
$20 to get a Big Mac.
You've got the potential for world wars to break out.
You got Trump going to prison most likely.
Humpty Dumpty is going to fall.
And South Africa is a cautionary tale.
So let's now, we're going to skip the final break of this hour because I don't want to waste the time of our two esteemed guests.
How about having a South African and a Sweden, a Swedish man from Sweden, a Swede and a South African Swede now in Estonia.
From Estonia, Jonas Nilsson is still with us up very late.
And of course, Jonas, you have worked with Simon.
Remind everybody how that came about.
No, actually, I met with the Seidelanders the first time in 2008.
So I've been familiar with the Seidlanders project for a very, very long time.
And I think they do a very good job in informing the public of the necessary means of action to prepare themselves for a very horrible future that we can see within the horizon.
And being been living in South Africa over pretty long periods of time over the years, I noticed more and more a discrepancy from the Swedish public in the major of what's actually happening in South Africa.
Because back during this time 2008, 2010 the Swedish public opinion of South Africa were that this was still this successful rainbow nation and, of course, the Swedish public were emotional commitment, committed to this narrative and to the story, because we played a crucial role, not maybe for the power shift within South Africa,
but we played a crucial role for the international recognition of the ANC being labeled as a terrorist party of the most, most of the Western world.
And what did we have here?
Yeah, the Swedish prime minister, were the first one to acknowledge ANC as a non-terrorist organization back in the 60s and 70s and were the first country to invite the ANC representative over after this power shift to give them this big international recognition, which would make it easier for them to diminish those crimes of that they committed during during the apartheid years.
Yes, and I would, I'm gonna toss a jump ball up, and then I would just like, for the remainder of the hour, for you two, esteemed gentlemen, to just converse with one another about, about these issues, but first I would like to point again people to the incredibly well done documentary.
It's not just that, it's, it's.
It's conveying the truth.
It's conveying the truth in a way that sells the message.
Because packaging and presentation is so important, let it.
I mean you can have all of the facts, but if you, if it's, you know, on a typewriter and you know you're doing flyers, it's not the same as a professional well-done, high definition movie.
South Africa reversed apartheid was just an incredible breakthrough for Jonas back in 2018, and I will eat my hat.
I will be thoroughly embarrassed if I am wrong about this, but it's been a while since I've seen it.
But Simon, you appeared in that, did you not?
I never watch or listen to or read anything that I might be in.
It's just one of those you know, strange childish things.
So I never saw the final cut.
Jonas would be better qualified to to say what was included.
I just it's a, it's a religious habit.
I never ever, ever watch.
I see, I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I'll be thoroughly embarrassed if I'm not.
Lauren Southern and Simon were both in that, correct Jonas?
Yes, Lauren Sutter were down there and did her documentary at the same time and I did a interview with her, but that was independently published outside from the actual documentary.
So she, she's not in the documentary, but we, we were down there at the same time doing the same kind of work, which was quite the accident.
We didn't know of Each other that we were done doing this work.
So it was really showing something about that.
It was like this perfect storm of actually highlight the situation in South Africa there.
And all our documentaries, mine, Lauren Sadden, and the British lady, Kate, working for Rebel Media, they also did a documentary, and all those three were released the same years.
And I think all three of those were a major breakthrough and definitely helped share a new because it's like what you say, people don't listen to reason or evidence or facts.
They listen to a good story.
And we have an obligation.
Yeah, and we have an obligation to provide a better story than what the establishment do.
And it's quite easy to do because a story needs to be like true for the humans to really adhere to that story.
It does.
But it also has to be presented in a way that it looks as though it's the real deal, which of course our message is, but it cannot be a substandard product.
It cannot be anything less.
And in fact, it needs to be more than what they're getting out of the major studios.
And Jonas, you've had an ability to do that.
So before this hour ends, I'm going to get everybody to plug their contact information again for sightlanders.
Of course, Simon, you were just on with us for an hour last month.
Be sure to revisit that in our broadcast archives, folks.
We're talking about the book here that Jonas has recently wrapped, this photojournalistic book, Irania Building a Nation.
I'm going to read this and toss it over to you for the remainder, gentlemen, and you just take it in any which direction you want.
Once again, from this new book that our friend Jonas Nilsson has made available, we find ourselves in the midst of a transformative demographic shift, not just in Sweden, but across the Western world.
It's a time when we face challenges that demand both understanding and creative solutions.
Here's where this book comes into play.
By turning our gaze towards South Africa, we offer an opportunity to explore worst-case scenarios, thereby crystallizing potential solutions for our own context, our own nations.
So again, a Swedish filmmaker joining us tonight from Estonia, a South African currently in America.
Gentlemen, where does it all intersect?
Simon, let's start with you.
Talk about South Africa.
Direct your comments towards Jonas.
And let's get this conversation for the last 10 minutes going.
What do we need to learn?
What are the takeaways?
And where is the off-ramp?
What are the solutions?
Go.
Well, I don't know.
I'd be interested to hear Jonas's take.
I think that, you know, the title of this tour is The Crisis of Christendom, because we see it as a sort of holistic onslaught on everything that is Western, everything that is conservative, everything that is Caucasian.
It is ultimately an onslaught on the West.
You know, the greatest harm done by the pandemic was in the West.
The greatest harm done by the clock shots, as proved by Dr. Lee Merit, is on Caucasians because of our unique ACE2 receptor pathways.
The greatest economic harm being done in the world now is certainly on the West.
And so the LGBTQ, I mean, that's a Western focused thing.
It's not being discussed all that heavily in Peru and Kazakhstan.
We really, and you know, just as a matter of interest to you, I've been doing a lot of research recently in certain circles in certain environments.
And our most implacable foe, our foe of 2,000 years, is saying exactly the same thing.
They're saying we are getting it right to destroy Edom once and for all time.
And you can find this not just on obscure, in obscure locations, but on YouTube.
I mean, it's just unbelievable how they're crowing about it so haughtily.
That's my 10 cents worth.
I'm dead keen.
Jonas, it's lovely to talk to you again, by the way.
Yeah, likewise.
Hope to see you next time around in South Africa.
Please, I live very, very near to Orania.
So if you're in that region, it would be wonderful to see you.
I'd love to host you at my home and have a cry and what have you and bring out a whole lot of state-owned people to host you with me.
But as I say, I'd like to hear your opinion.
I think you speak the truth with the Christian faith, and that's something that was a bit not shocking, but a little bit strange for me when I traveled down to South Africa for the first time, because that's something that has really gone lost in Sweden as well as a big secular state these days.
People might call themselves Christians, but they wouldn't even know what a Bible is, really.
And I also saw that people had this strength within themselves that I believe comes from the good old religion that we were missing back home.
And I think the biggest lessons that we can, as Swedes, can take from South Africa, if I'm going to tie up to what I said earlier about our so-called help to you guys back in the 60s, is that then we were in a position of not knowing the consequences or the actual real politics within South Africa,
what constituted South Africa as a multi-tribal state and the measure that were taking place and why those measures were in place and what would happen if we removed those measures.
And now we are in a state in Sweden where we can't deny that anymore because we are actually living that.
Sweden is becoming this multi-tribal state itself with a tremendous problem with parallel structures where big immigrant groups tie together based on ethnicity, based on religion and create what could be almost labeled as a state within the state.
And I think the biggest challenge here, and I think this is a hard pillow to swallow for a lot of people, and that is that Sweden might never be what Sweden once were, at least not in our lifetime.
And I think we need to start to think about this struggle as intergenerational.
And I think that has been a big problem during this last 50, 60 years that we all focus on trying to find this golden opportunity to have this decisive metaphorical battle that will change everything for the better.
And maybe that decisive battle will never happen and things just go on.
And how will we work with our situation in Sweden if things just go on?
And I think South Africa and even Rhodesia transmission to Zimbabwe, that there's so much knowledge that is compressed in such a short period of time, which it is there because it's such an extreme situation.
So we can look at that and we can stretch it out and we will see where we will be if we do nothing.
And then I would want to end off by quoting Just Stridem, the chairman of the Orania movement, that it's better for us to focus our energy to try to save something than to rather lose everything.
Before you answer, Simon, and I know Keith has one final answer.
I want both of you gentlemen, we have to make sure that we give the contact information with only minutes remaining.
We really could have gone three hours with this one.
But, Jonas, you mentioned your new book, this piece of photojournalism packed with impactful content as well with the written word, Irania Building a Nation, can be found on Amazon.com.
And I can testify that it's true because I'm on Amazon.com right now.
I typed in Irania Building a Nation, and it's the first return.
So there's that.
Jonas, where can, very quickly, a quick answer, where can people find your documentary, South Africa reversed apartheid?
People really need to see this.
Yeah, it was taken down on YouTube, but it's been uploaded by, I think, several other channels on YouTube.
So you can search on the title on YouTube.
And of course, their algorithm will make you scroll down a little bit.
And then it's also on the video platform Odyssey.
All right.
And so there's that on those third-party or I don't want to say second-tier and the truth-loving video sharing platforms.
You can still find it.
Of course, Simon's organization is Sightlanders.
That's spelled S-U-I-D-L-A-N-D-E-R-S.org.
S-U-I-D-L-A-N-D-E-R-S dot org to learn more about his organization for which he serves as such a capable spokesman and champion.
Keith, you got a question?
Yeah, I have been doing some research for this show, and I was looking into South Africa's situation.
South Africa and Memphis have something in common.
Our problem is black people.
How big of a problem are black people in Sweden, Jonas?
Are they a big party?
You got a question?
I would say that, and I think that's actually a good thing that it's black people that are the problem because then it's so obvious between the lines of our people and their people.
So I think in this regard, Sweden is in a more of like a challenging state of surviving over time because that area between these two groups is so dimmed out.
It's like in the Swedish 70s, if you were from southern Europe, you were considered to be like we have a saying that is like a blackhead.
Of course, it sounds like someone from Africa.
And that saying has like changed from referring to southern Europeans to Middle Easterns or even Africans.
So we are by not having that situation that you have, we are almost like erasing out those strict lines where our group begins and their group, our group ends and their group begins, which can be quite dangerous over a long period of time.
Check out South Africa reversed apartheid on the video sharing sites, IraniaBuilding a Nation on Amazon.com.
Simon, my friend, final word to you, the South African himself.
My last word is to say may the God of the Christ, the God of Western Europe, bless Jonas for the work that he has done for our folk.
He is truly, truly, he's made very, very great sacrifices and placed himself at great risk for our people.
And I want to say thank you on behalf of our people.
May our God bless you, Jonah.
Thank you, Simon.
God bless you.
God bless you all, and to our listening audience, you know, we've been called.
And as Tiny Tim said, God bless us, everyone.
Amen.
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, what an honor it is to be able to bring these men together.
We've been called the nexus of a lot of things.
But to be able to connect men like this on a program such as this, it is all made possible, ladies and gentlemen, by the listeners.
And we want it to continue.
We want it to continue longer.
We have, as Robert Frost once wrote, Promises to keep and miles to go before we sleep.
Jonas Nilson, Simon Roach, we'll be right back with a second hour.