Nov. 18, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just never know who you're going to hear on TPC week to week.
I don't even know, and I didn't know about tonight's show until earlier this afternoon.
But boy, do we have a very interesting hour of talk radio coming your way starting right now?
Welcome to the program.
James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander, this Saturday evening, November the 18th, year of our Lord 2023, we're coming up on Thanksgiving in the Christmas season, so it's going to be a festive time.
And to help kick all of that off tonight is former United States Representative Steve Stockman of Texas.
I had the chance to talk with Steve the last today and yesterday, and his story, truly unbelievable.
It's an incredible and inspiring story.
He has served in Congress twice on two separate occasions, nearly two decades apart and in two different districts.
And there's enough in between those two times and what's happened since to fill a book.
And we'll do the best we can to give you the Cliff's notes right now.
Congressman Steve Stockman out of Texas, our guest.
Good evening, Congressman.
How are you?
Thank you for having me on.
It was a beautiful day here.
So I don't know what it's like where everybody else is listening, but we had a wonderful day here.
Same here, my friend.
Same as well.
A great time of year.
And again, bringing family close.
And it's just a real honor to be able to talk to you tonight.
So I want to talk a little bit about your career, some of the issues we were talking about yesterday.
And I mean, for the amount of time you were in Congress, you were there on two separate occasions for some really eventful occurrences, I guess you could say.
But let's first talk about that.
As I mentioned, elected in two separate districts, nearly 20 years in between terms, your first victory in 1994 was a major upset.
I want folks to try to wrap their minds around this.
You were 38 years old at the time.
You ran your campaign out of your garage and you defeated a 42-year-old Democratic incumbent.
So this guy you were running against had been in Congress four years older, four years longer than you had even been alive.
And as you shared with me, he had been in Congress at the time for one-third the amount of time that Texas had been a state.
You were not supposed to win that race.
No, no.
In fact, I had some moderate Republicans come down and George Bush was running at the time.
And they said, you, Ryan's going to really ruin everything.
You're going to turn out the Democrat vote by running.
And they tried to talk me out of it.
And I almost got talked out of it.
But then I had a Vietnam veteran who later I found out was highly decorated came and he said, you can't let these guys push you around.
This is what you're fighting against.
I thought he's right.
So I ran and then we won.
But we really won because of the ideas and beliefs that I promoted.
And it was really, I think we had 2,200 to 2,500 people helping us.
So we had a lot of opportunities.
And you got outspent about 2,500 to 1 as well, right?
Yeah, well, 12 to 1, yeah.
And it was really amazing because we couldn't afford postage, so we delivered all our campaign literature by hand.
I I told you today I was pleasantly surprised.
I can't say shocked.
I mean, we have a listening audience through the internet all over the country.
But when I sent out an email this morning to the list saying that you were going to be on the program tonight, I was really excited to see how many people were themselves very excited to have you on and how many people who had shared stories about you, especially listeners in Texas, some of whom had voted and supported you.
One gentleman said that in 1994, he remembers you holding up pictures of aborted babies against your Democratic opponent and doing real clever things with a newspaper, a newspaper campaign.
Tell us about that.
Well, it's Republicans never know how to frame an issue.
In fact, we're losing an abortion because, frankly, 15 weeks, 90% of the abortions happen within 15 weeks.
It's the same as Paris.
I mean, it's France, and it's actually longer than Portugal.
And yet you have Republicans saying this is a pro-life bill.
It's really not.
It's very deceiving.
It's deceiving.
And I think that if you're going to go ahead and do that, which I disagree with, is that you should then at least frame it and say, look, we're the same as Paris, France.
We're advocating the same.
They don't know how to frame an issue.
Republicans are horrible at messaging.
And we were fortunate.
We did some really great messaging and we had a lot of fun doing it.
And it was, I mean, I could take the whole hour just talking about how we did campaigns.
Exactly.
I mean, pardon me, go ahead.
No, one thing we did is my opponent voted for pedophiles.
Is it back?
People got to realize all this stuff happened before what were happening.
We're kind of a precursor.
We were the canary in the mine.
And he voted for pedophiles.
So we got in trouble for this, but we cut out little things about his votes and what he did, and we put it in the trick-or-treat bags.
Well, see, this is the kind of clever stuff that I've heard about you, clever campaign tactics, and it was effective.
Now, we were talking as well.
Each of the questions that I was talking with you about in our pre-interview, you said could have filled a book.
And I want to move as quickly as we can.
I'm already starting to sweat a little bit.
I'm looking at the clock.
We're already 15 minutes into the hour, so we've got to make haste here.
But I just covering quickly your first win was a major upset in 1994.
You defeated Congressman Jack Brooks.
He'd been in there for 42 years.
He was the chairman of the very powerful House Judiciary Committee, which oversaw the, which still oversees the DOJ and the FBI.
And anyway, so you get elected.
And during your first tenure in Congress, which was from 1995 until 1997, remember, ladies and gentlemen, he went to Congress twice in two separate districts, two decades apart.
But during his first stint there, you were there during the Waco siege.
And this is something that still captivates the public.
You were very vocally critical of the Clinton administration's handling of that event.
What do you remember about it?
And what were your complaints?
Well, as I pointed out, by the way, Jack Brooks was the first of many people to threaten to kill me.
And I told him it wasn't a good way to treat your constituents.
If you killed all your constituents, you couldn't win the election.
This was the guy you were running against, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.
Now that you defeated him.
He goes, I control the DOJ and FBI.
I'm going to get you.
And you won't know I did it.
And then I was like, whoa, that's not a nice thing to say.
And ironically, now his daughter sometimes runs a Republican, which I felt a little bit odd.
She's probably no more a Republican than I'm a Democrat.
But no, the thing is, is that I was upset because to me, it really looked like the DOJ under Janet Rena was trying to push the agenda.
In fact, they do this frequently.
They'll do something, and uh, Obama did this too.
Where he took Sandy Hook and turned it into a political thing, which is really sad because people get killed all over the world, and you don't want to turn it into a politicizing, and that's exactly why they went in there.
Uh, David Koresh went into town all the time by himself, and if they wanted to get him, all they had to do was arrest him in a store.
They knew all this, and yet they went in there with this big show, they thought they were gonna have a TV show, and it frightened the people inside.
And it also made uh look like Koresh was right.
And uh, but but there should have never been that decision made to Reno's decision, and um, it cost lots of life, and then there were other people, of course, that saw that and really got angry at the government.
So, we need to, everybody needs to tone it down a little bit.
But right now, the DOJ, as you know, is running full board wild arresting any Obama's or Biden's political opponents, including me.
And we're going to get to that in just a moment.
But one of the things you said about the Waco siege that really struck home with me was that this was just a naked exhibition of state power.
It was an attack on the right of Americans to self-defense and an attempt to take away their Second Amendment rights.
And that was something that was so key.
What you just said, that David Koresh would go into town all the time.
Any FBI agent could have picked up at any time.
They didn't have to roll tanks through this building and firebomb all of these families.
And you said that this way they have politicized law enforcement is never a pathway to freedom, and it certainly hasn't abated since then.
No, in fact, what people don't understand, our friend in the talk radio keeps saying, Oh, it's the only the top guys.
I can personally tell you that's not true.
They changed the policy.
People don't realize they don't hire the people that you see, you know, like you used to see in the old TV show like Dragnet or FBI or whatever.
They change your policy in hiring what's called diversity and soft science.
So, people that are from women's studies, the woman that came to my door was like her degree was like in socialism or social, uh, social work.
She belonged to the National Socialist Party.
She her parents were from India.
She was very aloof to the principles of our founding fathers and really to the whole thing.
So, when you do that kind of hiring, I told someone it's like you have an NPR working the Justice Department.
And it's really, really frightening what they're able to do.
And they're just telling these people to go do it, and they think it's in their job to do it.
And the judges are obviously picked as far radical judges.
You can't indict a president with 90 felonies, you know, within a very short period of time for the election.
And that Jack Smith, by the way, the same one that went after me, and also one after our friend, which I hope all your listeners will write him.
His name is Senator John Woods.
He's in Bass Drop.
And if you could drop him a line, that'd be great.
But he's also wrong.
And he's also there with some J Sixers, too, by the way.
We're going to get into all of that because, as you said, I mean, maybe I don't know if it started at Waco.
Waco was certainly a catalyst, but the way that law enforcement has been politicized is certainly very concerning.
And they seem to only be turning up the dial.
You see all these indictments.
It looks like only conservative Republicans are the ones that ever violate any sort of campaign finance laws.
Or Donald Trump surely was the only corrupt president we've ever had.
I'm not saying he was corrupt, but I mean, what they're saying, he's the only one that's ever sort of gotten this kind of treatment.
But I'm a congressman, and we got to see classified documents, but it's called a skiff.
You couldn't take it out of the skiff.
Yet, Biden, as a senator, had those boxes and he didn't turn them over for years.
And he's not even supposed to have them.
And he didn't have them secure.
They keep talking, oh, well, Trump didn't have secure.
Trump had Secret Service in a very protective house.
He had them in the garage, classified documents.
And now they're saying, well, he didn't do anything wrong because Trump tried to block it.
That's just such nonsense.
It's so clearly political.
And Biden is guilty of sin of that.
I mean, and it's pretty clear he's selling those documents to Chinese or whoever the higher bidder was.
Let me ask you this, Congressman.
And this is, again, something that's a current issue, but an issue that you dealt with as well.
As I said, the four years you were in Congress, there was a lot going on that people can relate to now.
So you've got certainly an informed opinion.
The so-called government shutdowns, this is something that you see in the news all the time now.
Government shutdown, the risk of government shutdown, we're kicking the can.
We're going to do a 30-day continuance and so on and so forth.
But there was that, as the press made it out, to be a very infamous government shutdown in 1995 to 96.
And you were a member of Congress at that time.
You can tell the audience exactly what a government shutdown is and isn't.
What's really going on when they talk about this?
They don't shut down government.
I'll tell you what was more frightening is when the government shut down businesses.
It is a much more dramatic effect on the people lost their jobs.
People got sick.
They had high alcoholism.
They had high suicide rates.
And even people don't know this, but India, they had 200 to 300 million people.
You know, they have over a billion, but we started going to, we were short on food and stuff.
This is something that we should have been concerned about when the government exercised that kind of power.
Yet, when it's the government shut down, they lose their minds.
And my wife works at NASA.
None of she's never lost her job.
She's never lost a paycheck during the government shutdown.
So this is just hair on fire for no reason.
I can't remember the percentage, but it's, I think, above 90%.
So the government doesn't shut down.
It stays open.
So it's really a media manufactured exaggeration.
And I loved what you just did.
You're talking about, hey, I'm more concerned when the government shuts down businesses.
You're talking about COVID, yes?
Absolutely.
They abused that.
They took it upon themselves.
You know, you give a thimble full of power to a bureaucrat.
Next thing you know, he's declared himself king and starts exercising as such.
I mean, they didn't want to give it up either, particularly in California.
Newsom just didn't want to give up that power.
And he continued to exercise the power of forcing people to do things.
I'm just shocked at how in California they just accept the authoritarians, you know, just like, so what?
You couldn't help but notice the difference in how COVID, you know, that two-year period, that very bizarre two-year period from March of 2020 through, well, I don't know if it was quite two years, 2021 for sure, maybe nearly two years, yes.
Certainly, it was navigated very differently between the red and the blue states, was it not?
Yeah, and then, of course, NPR and those kind of guys try to make it go, oh, Republican states, more people died.
Well, that's just an absolute lie.
New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, not only did they die at a higher rate, they were putting sick people, elderly people, in non-infected elderly homes in which they should have been charged with a crime because it's actually germ warfare.
They should have gone to prison for that.
And no one was ever held accountable.
And it was a big lie when the New York governor said, oh, you know, we didn't have any room.
Trump, if people recall, offered a huge ship with, I think, a thousand beds or something on the ship.
He never, the governor, Coma, never used that ship.
He could have put all the elderly people that were sick into that room.
And they did, I mean, out of that ship, and they never did.
That's a great point.
Now, I want to circle back very quickly to this talk of shutdown.
You compared, hey, the government's so concerned about shutting down, but we're more concerned about businesses being shut down, not the bureaucracy.
You wrote both times you shut down churches, but they kept trip clubs open.
And you're certainly getting more hands-on, pardon the James is here every night, five and seven.
Tip your waitress on the way out.
But you did write that.
We try to have a good time too here.
Anyway, but both times you were in Congress, you told me that the so-called government shutdowns, you were there in 95 and 96, and again in the mid-2000s when there was another so-called shutdown.
But you told me that all essential government activities continued and checks to people on government benefits continued.
No government bureaucrats lost jobs or wages as a result of the shutdowns.
And most of the government continues to operate when it is quote unquote shut down.
So all this stuff about shutdowns is just clickbait media.
By the way, people don't realize that it shuts down every weekend.
And we live through the weekend without the government.
You know, actually, we're in such dire shape financially that they should actually just lay all those.
You know, I hate say this, but even my wife would be laid off.
But all these people, a lot of these people, we could cut back.
You know, corporations have to do that.
I don't care.
You know, even Facebook, which has a very minimal amount of effort to keep that website going.
And yet they had they cut back.
Our government has never really cut back.
And you need to do it.
You need to trim the waste and abuse and fraud.
And you got to do it.
It's just natural that you need that.
And that's why free enterprise works because it wrings out the waste and the fraud and everything.
And I just, I marvel that the government always continues to grow.
You never, you know, what's the old joke?
It says it's never nothing so permanent as a temporary government job.
You know, there was a guy in the back of the car.
I guess that's not funny.
It's true.
Yeah.
And there was a guy in the back of a cab that just came to DC for the first time.
He was looking up all the buildings and he goes, wow, there's so many buildings.
He goes, how many people work there?
And the cab driver goes, about half.
Yeah, Steve, this is Keith Alexander.
I'm intrigued about government shutdowns.
Is there any real fear behind the left's response to the possibility of shutting down the government?
Is there part of it that they are afraid of, or is it all just a tempest in a teapot?
A you know, alarmism that they're trying to whip up.
Well, I'll give you.
And Steve, as you answer that, pardon?
I was just going to say, as you answer that question, I'll tell you this: the Republicans in the caucus, their main concern was on a shutdown, you know, where I can get re-elected.
And that just is false.
It's never borne out.
If you go back, by the way, someone says every time you go to office, talk when the government shuts down and go, oh, quit blowing me kisses.
Thank you so much.
But if you go back to those years, we didn't lose the seats they predicted.
It was all angst for nothing.
But that's the problem.
You have a lot of guys up there worried about the press.
The press is never going to be on our side.
You know, it's not going to happen.
So you need to quit worrying about the press and do the right thing.
And I said good policy is good politics.
Yeah, exactly.
That was actually the question I was trying to think you did.
And I was going to ask you the fear that the Republicans have of losing, and you went right into that anyway.
But that was a great question, Keith.
And the other thing that struck me about what you said so far is how they're getting a different type of person into federal law enforcement.
And a corollary to that is the military.
You know, you've got people in the military that are just not traditional candidates at all.
No, in fact, trouble now trying to get people in.
Yeah, in fact, the person that was really instrumental in doing that and getting rid of people because it's very easy for the president or hierarchy to get rid of someone all of this says unfit for command.
You don't, you know, that definition is pretty broad.
And what happened is 1,100, I think it was 1,100 under Obama, top people that were very good professionals got eliminated.
And under Biden, it's just about as many.
And it was really sad.
This one guy, and he got, they fired him.
I'm trying to remember which base it was.
And his wife was working there, and she objected, so they fired her, too.
And they had like 38 years, I think, of service, and they were just godly conservatives.
And that's why they got hired.
I mean, they wouldn't go on the explanation why they got rid of him.
And it's quite clear they want.
Well, I'll let you go.
Hey, listen, this guy, this guy, he's a congressman, former congressman.
Don't stop unless we tell you to.
No, listen.
Yes, please.
But he knows how media works.
You hear the music?
And we don't even know.
We've been on the air 20 years.
We don't know to stop talking when the music starts.
Hey, listen, we're going to take a quick break.
We are halfway through a riveting, spellbinding interview with former Congressman Steve Stockman, and we'll continue it right after this.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's nights like this that remind me why we do what we do here.
And this is just a fascinating interview.
I'm fascinated by it.
I think you will be and are as well.
Former United States Congressman Steve Stockman out of Texas.
So we spent the first half hour, and I'm looking at the clock again.
And we've got to make haste because I'm a little less than half of what I wanted to cover through what I want to cover with Steve.
And we're a little more than halfway out of time.
So, but just to recap, an historic upset.
Now, I'm not saying it's historic because he was an underdog.
Underdogs win from time to time.
But a 38-year-old beating a 42-year-old Democratic incumbent, that's something.
And so we've talked a little bit about his first election.
He was in Congress during the Waco siege during a so-called shutdown.
He gave us a little bit of information about that.
And I want to move forward now into his second term in office.
But before I do, we established, Steve, that, look, you were a conservative who got into Congress, you stood up, you spoke out, and you didn't back down.
And as a result, during your first term, or maybe not as a result, maybe it was a coincidence.
People can draw their own conclusions.
But nevertheless, during your first term, a federal court ordered the boundaries of 13 Texas House districts to be redrawn, and you ended up losing your re-election in a squeaker 53 to 47.
And then 20 years later, though, you get re-elected.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, but I'm back on that real quick.
It was three districts, but it impacted 13, and the suit had been going on for 10 years.
And the thing is, is that we won in November, and then the voter fraud was so horrendous in the runoff, it was really appalling that we lost in the runoff.
And even then, it was hard for them to steal that much.
So you're right.
Go ahead.
I apologize.
Go ahead.
No, another thing I was going to say, Steve, is that voter fraud has been around for a long time.
In fact, that was the purpose of the Voting Rights Act of 65 to allow that type of thing to happen.
And this is really, you know, it's nothing unusual.
But I wonder, you know, where was the judiciary?
Were they endorsing all this, redistricting you out of a position?
Well, you got to remember I defeated the chairman of the decision committee.
When they arrested me, for real, I should back up a second.
They threatened me to throw me in prison back in 96, I believe it was.
And then when they finally arrested me, they were so happy.
The guy says, he comes out saying, I hate the wall.
And the guy in the front seat said, you defeated my dad's friend.
And I was like, wait a minute, this is supposed to be a criminal case.
You guys are talking politics.
And I joked with him and I said, so after this fellow, is he going to go arrest Hillary?
And they didn't respond.
Well, there was something about that that I wanted to bring up because you were on the Whitewater Banking Investigations Committee.
If anybody can remember that far back in the mid-90s, and you were investigating Bill and Hillary, and you said they answered the favor.
Not only were your district lines redrawn, they added more Democrats to your district.
You lost in a runoff by a couple of points, but they were bringing in all kinds of operatives into your district there.
Oh, they did.
And by the way, I was just going to ask you, continue with your thought, but you were on a plane back in during that time in the mid-90s.
And on the plane back to your district, you ran into James Carville on the plane, and you asked him a question.
What did he say?
Well, it was funny.
We call him Serpent Head.
In fact, his wife calls him that, as you know, she was a Republican consultant.
He's a Democrat.
And I said, well, James, what are you doing here?
I'm here to defeat you.
That's why I'm here.
I'm going to defeat you.
That's a good impersonation.
Lizard Man.
Sounds just like it.
Yeah.
And I say, well, James, that's really flattering that you would take the time out to come see me.
That's a bit passive to the Clintons.
I'm a bit of a, huh?
Well, the Clintons didn't forget about you.
They sent their top guy down there.
A lot of other people as well.
Your lines got redrawn, and then there he was.
And there they were.
So you lose by a scant margin.
Yeah, and Bill Clinton wrote a book in one of his books.
He talked about how I was his nemesis.
And then the Hill said I was Obama's number one nemesis.
So I think they got kind of tired of me.
That's so unusual, too, James.
In his Wikipedia article, it doesn't say anything about his servicing government.
Well, it gets to it, but it doesn't matter.
It starts off just saying that you're a convicted felon.
Right.
I mean, it starts with the stuff that, yeah, of course.
Well, that's Wikipedia.
I mean, imagine you've got a by the way, do you know, people aren't aware of this, but there's bots on those Wikipedia things.
Oh, it's awful.
Yeah, I had a friend who kept changing it, and the guy that was that's a, he's a far leftist in actually in New Orleans.
We dug it up and found out who he was.
And he gets, he got, he would get text to his phone saying that stuff changes.
He'd go in there and change it right back.
So Wikipedia is.
Exactly.
We know.
Wikipedia.
Wikipedia.
There you go.
All right.
So you mentioned being a nemesis and not just one that opposed their policies, but one that was targeted by both the Clintons and Obama.
So let's fast forward.
I'm surprised you're alive.
Well, we'll talk about that in a second.
I mean, that was certainly on the table, I think.
But fast forwarding to your first term in office is 1995 to 1997.
You got elected in November of 1994.
Everybody gets sworn in in January of 97.
So then the lines get redrawn.
All of this stuff's going on.
Some vote fraud.
You lose very narrowly re-election after the lines are redrawn and some more Democrats are dumped in your district.
But then almost 20 years later, you return to Congress in 2013.
How does that happen?
Connect the knots.
We really got to move quickly here.
But that is fascinating.
I mean, number one, to be elected twice in separate times, but you almost went in separate generations and in two different districts.
You're back in Congress in 2013.
How did that happen?
Well, again, we had just godly great people.
And the problem is we, as Republicans, never organize.
And my wife says, I have a gift for organizing.
And so we organized, again, a real big team.
And we were outspent by one multi-multi-millionaire.
And then we also defeated the dean of the Senate.
And yeah, State Senate, I'm sorry.
And the expenditures against us were phenomenal.
And again, they said, hey, you can't win.
We didn't live in the district.
You don't have a campaign manager.
You don't have a campaign consultant.
And they went on the whole reason why I couldn't win.
And then the headline said, I got re-elected.
It was really by the grace of God and good hard work.
And I think more Republicans can win in Democrat districts, but they don't frame the issues right.
And we're getting killed on this abortion stuff.
And we need a good message.
And I think there's a way to counter it.
And we're just not doing it.
We're going to get in just a moment.
Well, you won.
I mean, you won twice being certainly an outsider, someone who was definitely pushing against the system and its narrative.
And you won twice.
And during your second tenure in Congress, 2013 to 2015, this was at the time, the first time was at the time of Waco.
The second time was at the time of Sandy Hook.
And you responded, you introduced a bill called the Safe Schools Act or the Safe School Acts, which would have repealed the Gun-Free Zones Act.
And you were quoted at the time as having said, and I quote, by disarming qualified citizens and officials in schools, we have created a dangerous situation for our children.
And so, and then again, you fast forward now.
You have the Covenant School shooting here earlier this year in Nashville.
You were ahead of this thing.
You were right at the time, even in the face of Sandy Hook, when it seemed like gun control, gun control, or what they call gun control.
You know, obviously it's an attack on grabbing.
Yeah, that attack on the Second Amendment is what it really is and our constitutional freedoms and liberties.
But you were tenacity to come out and introduce a bill like this, even at that time when there was such a hysteria surrounding guns.
Yeah, and I did, too.
We knew we got word that President Obama was going to make Sandy Hook his vehicle.
So we figured out a way, again, how to frame the issue.
And so we invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union, and it just sucked the oxygen out of Obama's plant.
That guy is a motor city madman.
He was amazing.
People don't know this.
All the Democrats are criticizing.
They'd come in and get their picture taken with them.
It was so hilarious.
He's been on this show.
He's larger than life.
Yeah.
He is.
And he goes, you know how long.
Now, first of all, people probably don't know this.
He may have changed, but he had not drank or smoked or did drugs.
And that guy was, I guess he was in his 70s.
I don't know how Ted Oak Nugent is now, but he went for 13 hours nonstop without eating or anything.
And at the very end, it was late at night and MSNBC comes in there and the guy is horrendous, starts calling him a child molester and everything.
And Ted did what I always wanted to do, but could never do.
He goes, this is live on TV.
He goes, I'm going to whoop your blankety blank, blankety blanket.
And his wife goes, honey, I think we need to go now.
But it was just so marvelous.
I don't tell you.
You brought him to the party.
Well, he's great on guns.
I mean, I like Ted Nugent a lot.
Yeah, but it's all over his message, Biden, Obama's message.
It was great.
It worked.
Well, another message that you shared, and I'd like to share it with the audience now, is that you point out, and this is such a critical thing with the issue of the Second Amendment.
You told me that there is little coverage or data collected on the situations during which guns protect and save lives.
The criminal, for instance, who runs off when a gun is pulled is not documented in any statistics, and such incidents are certainly not covered by the media.
So anytime you have a gun incident, the issue is always guns.
We've got to take away the guns, even though criminals who are going to commit murder certainly aren't going to be concerned about an extra gun law on the books.
The only people who are going to be giving up their guns are law-abiding citizens.
But that's key.
I mean, the times that guns save lives, you don't see any data on that, and certainly no coverage.
If you take the Democrat cities run by Democrats and you take those statistics out and do the rest of countries, you know, you see a map where it's all red, which I think really we should have gave the Democrats.
We should have been blue.
The rest around the world, blue is conservative.
But anyhow, if you take that data out where they're Democrat cities with the most gun control, we have some of the most peaceful, nonviolent cities in the world.
And yet they distort, they bend the statistics through their outrageous taking away guns from innocent people and allowing the criminals.
The criminal is not going to say, well, I'm going to commit murder, but I better not use a gun.
I'm better follow that law.
If you're committing murder, their gun laws are meaningless.
And you don't ever see those statistics broken out like that.
And John Lott, who's God bless him, I don't know if you had it on your show, but he's just an amazing guy.
I believe he's been on, yes.
Yeah, he's an amazing guy.
And the reason we perish is because we have lack of knowledge.
And they want the society to be stupid because they want to leave them around with the ring in their nose.
Well, I want to just, I don't want to dwell on this because we are getting short on time.
And I want to cover a couple of other things.
I mean, obviously, this is building up to the crescendo, but we mentioned the Nashville shooting.
You know, again, if the principal law-abiding citizen has a gun, how many people get killed there that day?
I mean, that's a question.
But the person who happened to be the shooter in that situation was a so-called trans person.
And you were full.
Yeah, they won't release his full manifesto, by the way.
Well, thanks to Stephen Crowder, we have what snippets we've got, and I don't know how he got it.
Two or three pages.
Just two or three pages.
But you know, it's interesting that law enforcement is more concerned about how Stephen Crowder got that than the fact that it was, you know, because if it's somebody motivated to shoot him.
Exactly.
But this was something that you were heading to.
I was a Democrat.
But you exposed the Kinsey study, which advocated for the abuse of children.
And this was something that laid the groundwork for today's sexualization and mutilization of it.
And this was something you were talking about in the mid-2000s in Congress.
Well, actually, in the 90s, I talked about it.
We're on the front page of the London Times.
And the argument was that that was too long ago.
We shouldn't talk about it, which is ironic because they're tearing down statues, which were longer, long before the Kinsey study.
And the thing is, I recommend if anybody can still get a copy of it, it's from the 90s.
It's called the Children of Table 34.
That is a total explanation why we are right today.
And I tried to stop it, and I wanted to expose it.
And I got attacked not just by Democrats, but by a lot of my fellow Republicans.
But I never backed down.
And to this day, I know I'm right on that issue.
And if you watch that video, it's very compelling.
And I don't know if you guys could do a show on that, but that would be really amazing.
I'm certainly going to look into it.
I saw that you had written, and I hadn't heard of it before.
I'm embarrassed to say, but we are going to look into it.
He mentioned Keith, he knew he was right.
What did Davy Crockett say about that?
Davey Crockett said, I leave these words for others when I'm dead.
Be always sure you're right, and then go ahead.
In other words, don't worry about the political fallout.
But of course, there can be some very major repercussions as Congressman.
Well, you guys from Tennessee, I got to tell you the rest of the story.
He said, basically, I screw you guys up moving to Texas.
And then Tennessee said, you know, to hell with you.
He goes to hell with you guys.
He goes, I'm going to Texas.
And then Tennessean guy said, well, if you're going to Texas, you will be in hell.
I think, well, you know, he's a great hero of ours here in Tennessee.
And there is that Tennessee to Texas connection with Davey Crockett, who was a Western Tennessean, I might add.
And he, of course, made his stand, a famous stand at the Alamo.
What was it exactly that he said, y'all go to hell?
He told the members of Congress, fellow members of Congress.
What it was, the people in his car said, this is disgraceful.
Yeah, he lost the election, and he bailed out early.
And they said, you need to explain yourself to the people of Tennessee why you're leaving them unrepresented.
And he said, well, the reason is I'm going to Texas and you all can go to hell.
Well, we need more people like that.
That's for sure.
A true American hero.
People used to revere people like that as recently as the 50s and 60s.
Disney's, that was who Disney was promoting, the Disney Company.
But anyway, we digress.
Steve Disney.
We've got about two minutes remaining.
Steve is grave.
Oh, ain't that the truth?
I mean, he was an American hero.
Yeah, very conservative.
A lot of times you think of heroes as war heroes or maybe even political heroes.
You know, what was.
He's a cultural hero.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, he really was a wholesome, he was all-American, all Mr. Americana, Walt Disney.
But we're really running late on time here, and I've got to get to this.
So we're talking about your second time in office now as a member of Congress, the second district you've represented, nearly 20 years apart.
We fast-forwarded now to the years of 2013 to 2015.
Sandy Hook happened.
Also, the Affordable Care Act.
Now, this is key.
So the first time you were in office, they redrew district lines, and you ended up losing in a runoff by a couple of points.
This time, it got off more seriously.
Right, right.
But that was back in the 90s.
But now we're into, I said mid-2000s earlier, it was the mid-2010s, I guess is what you would call it, the 20 teens.
But you opposed the so-called Affordable Care Act and threatened to file articles of impeachment against Barack Obama in response to his executive orders to restrict gun ownership.
And that is when I think.
Now, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
This is just me as a political pundit and commentator and observer saying that, hey, in response to that, you're threatening to file articles of impeachment against Obama.
We're not going to redraw his lines this time.
We're just going to send him to prison.
And they alleged that you had violated campaign finance laws.
They sentenced you and then you get sentenced to 10 years.
Tell us what happened there.
Well, actually, I got convicted for 283 years, and I told my wife I was only going to do half the time.
Well, how did it get paired down to 10?
Well, it's because they have a sentencing guidelines and stuff, and even 10 years is a long time.
I'd still be in prison if it wasn't for my wife and God and our great supporters.
But he really entrapped us just like he's doing Trump.
It took him four grand juries, $22 million.
I mean, it was just horrendous.
They never let up.
And I didn't know this until I went through the process.
But they can do 100 grand juries, you know, and they just improved each time.
They didn't invite people back that didn't help their case.
And then so they practiced the trial is basically the fifth grand jury in a way because they had it so practiced down the art of deception.
And Jack Smith doesn't change.
If you notice on the guy that did the Bitcoin stuff, they kept dropping charges.
But if they don't like you, they start adding charges.
And that's what I wanted to warn Trump because he had only a few charges.
And I was like, no, no, no, Jack Smith doesn't work like that.
And then they gagged me just like they try to gag Trump.
I couldn't talk about it.
And it was just a really unfair fight in so many ways.
They denied witnesses.
They didn't turn over sculptory evidence.
It goes on and on and on.
And it's quite funny.
It seems like you were a stalking horse for Donald Trump.
You know, they were trying out everything they came against him for is you.
And let me ask you this, in light of that.
What have we got to look forward to in the next year?
Oh, my God.
That's another hour.
Oh, I know.
This guy has experience.
Yeah, Jack Smith is extremely dangerous.
There's Mark to tell you about how he went over to Europe right after Trump got like that.
I think he was fleeing because he thought he was going to get in trouble when people started reading the stuff he did.
But no one paid attention to what he was doing.
And I think he's going to, he's a very dirty player.
His wife is dear friends with Michelle Obama.
In fact, his wife made a movie with Michelle.
And he's just an outright political.
I told Patty Henry VII, which is a long time ago, had a lawyer who did the same thing for Henry VII.
He prosecuted individuals.
And then Stalin had one guy who said, show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
And these kind of guys throughout history are just really evil individuals.
And he fits that category.
He's an enforcer.
He's dear friends with Obama.
He's dear friends with the former Attorney General, Democrat Attorney General.
And so you're going to see him exercise continued persecution on Trump.
And we really need to orchestrate a comeback to that.
And I really wanted to help Trump do that.
But they're not.
I wish they would only do that.
I tell you.
Jack Smith is his hatchet, man.
You need to be Trump's hatchet.
Well, you've got the experience.
You know what Trump is facing.
And I'll tell you what, I would love, Congressman, to have you back on in short order, perhaps right after Christmas or maybe even before then.
But certainly no later than the new year to give people a sort of forecast of what they're going to see next year.
Totally unprecedented for the successor president to send his weaponized DOJ after his predecessor.
Trump's facing like a thousand years in prison and all of that coming up next year in an election year where he is currently the frontrunner, not just for the Republican nomination, but he's beaten Biden.
I was going to say Obama, but what's the difference?
He's beating Biden in all of these swing states as well.
But so we'll revisit that.
But so here's the thing.
Two terms in Congress in the mid-90s and in the mid-2010s or 20 teens.
First time they redraw your district, second time they put you in prison.
Trump commuted your sentence in December of 2020.
That's less than a month before Biden's inauguration.
You get your sentence commuted by President Trump.
And thank God for that.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking tonight.
But I got to ask you this.
You know, we were talking earlier today about our mutual friend Steve King, and you probably know him better than I, but he's been on our show several times, and I consider him at this point a friend.
And he made his first appearance a year ago this week in November of 2020.
And he was most recently on last month.
But he told me, and he broke down for the audience how we never seem to get anywhere with elected officials.
And people always say, well, we try to vote right and we send these people into Congress that we think are going to represent us and it never seems to work out.
And he laid down exactly what happens when you go to Congress.
And I, you know, you went to prison, Travigan went to prison and then ended up running over himself while he was mowing the grass on his own tractor by himself.
I mean, so it could have been worse.
Sonny Bono ran into a tree and died, but I guess that was on the table as well.
But with two minutes remaining, what could you tell us about the sort of obstacles people who want to do the right thing face when they get elected to Congress?
Because you sure ran up against it.
Well, I think, well, there's two things.
One, I think you need to recruit activists and then defend them.
Carl Rove, anytime an activist gets the nomination, he actually undermines them and takes their money and trashes them and everything.
He has a loyalty to Bush and to what's his name in Kentucky McConnell.
And he just undermines our candidates and he has great stroke at Fox News.
And it's really alarming how much power he has.
But I would recommend we just flood the zone and keep getting activists elected.
This is what the Democrats do.
You look through all of the Democrats.
What I was going to say is, what about that law that they had back in the 90s, I believe it was, that was proposed or where the government would finance everybody's campaign and there wouldn't be private financing.
Would that have been a good idea?
That's an idiotic thing.
That means the government would make the decisions and government is horrible at making decisions.
We love you guys.
Keep up the great work.
You guys are awesome.
You're a light in the dark.
Hey, listen, I thought I liked you an hour ago, but I like you a lot more now.
And that was a fantastic interview.
I have to apologize to a friend of mine.
I told him I would ask you about your Obama barf bag campaign swag that you had.
Also, this clever newspaper that was a campaign mailer.