Sept. 2, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
We'll see you in September, ladies and gentlemen, and we'll see you now, as a matter of fact, because here we are this Saturday evening.
See you in September.
You remember that old song, don't you?
Saturday night, September the 2nd.
I'm James Edwards here.
Summer, with the Labor Day weekend now upon us, is just about in the rearview mirror.
So it's a good thing for all of us that TPC is a show for all seasons.
But still, I wonder how quickly, where and how quickly did that summer go?
It was without a doubt a blistering one.
It was a fast-paced one.
We've spent a lot of it on the road this summer.
It's been hot.
I have visited since April the 1st when we went for the launch of the Honorable Cause in South Carolina.
I have visited for either speaking engagements or book signings.
Spent time, at least, I should say, in nine of the 13 Confederate states from April until a couple of weeks ago when Jared and I visited Montgomery, Wetumpka, and Selma, Alabama.
It's been so good, ladies and gentlemen, to see and meet so many of you, see people we've haven't seen in a while and make new friends as well at some of these engagements.
And it's just been wonderful, and it's wonderful to be here with you tonight.
Let's take care of some very quick business.
Let's get the business out of the way and settled.
And then I'll tell you who's coming up and who's on deck tonight as we begin to look forward to fall, which is, of course, our third quarter of broadcasting, which brings, of course, our third quarter newsletter update and fundraising appeal.
The third quarter fundraiser is now underway.
We actually mailed it off a few days early because of how Labor Day fell on the first, obviously the first Monday.
It was going to basically push us back.
We were either going to have to send out the third quarter fundraising appeal a week early or a week late.
And what do you think we chose?
We went with a week early.
So you've probably already got it.
So you probably already know.
If you're not a regular listener or maybe you're just a donor from time to time, now you all know we've been on the road a lot and we've got an excellent incentive, I believe, for you.
It's going to be a gift that keeps on giving to our third quarter donors, and that is a gift subscription to the American Free Press.
So that is the only place where you can now find my exclusive column and commentaries in the pages of the American Free Press.
We started that back up back in June and it's gotten a really good reception and it's been great to hear from so many readers.
So that's what we're offering to people who donate at the appropriate level before September 30th.
You're going to get a gift subscription to the American Free Press that will run through the rest of the year.
You'll be getting it all the way through Christmas and slightly beyond that.
So that's a gift that keeps on giving.
I think it's one that you're going to be very much appreciative of, one that you will enjoy.
That's just something that we do around here.
We have that never say die attitude coupled with your generous support over all these years.
And together we make it stick, do we not?
And that's one of the things that happens.
And I've made mention of this before a couple of times this year already.
When I get canceled from something, it motivates me to dial things up another notch.
You ban me from Amazon.
You're not going to let my 13-year-old book sell.
Then I'm going to write an opening chapter to a new book, which has just the reaction and reception of this book critically.
And when we go and we meet people, every copy always sells out wherever I go and however many I take.
As a matter of fact, when we were in Alabama a couple of weeks ago, we sold more than we had, and we've had to mail out copies this week as we got them in.
We had to order more ourselves.
So it's just really exceeded my wildest expectations.
You banned me from Twitter.
I'm going to start up a column in a national print newspaper.
That's what we're doing.
We're just not going to let you get the better of us because we are cresting right now.
I mean, we are riding a crest here, I think, here on TPC.
And our cause at large is just doing wonderful things.
I mean, band the ADL was trending on Twitter.
People are getting it now.
People are getting it now.
And people are doing and saying things now that they haven't done or said at any point during my lifetime.
And it just makes me so proud, ladies and gentlemen, that you and I, we have been here.
We were really one of the ones that really laid a cornerstone, especially in terms of pro-white media, going back now nearly 20 years.
And so to be ahead of all of that, well, that's something that makes me proud.
It's easy to sort of get in the lane when things are free-flowing and going good.
And I'm not saying things are going good overall, but they are going good in terms of more and more and more people.
I've been speaking about this all summer.
More and more and more people are certainly beginning to draw our conclusions and come around to our way of thought.
People that perhaps even a few years ago we thought would never come around.
Here they are.
And so that's why I say this one of the things I'm really proud about with regards to the work of this program is how we have been able, as I wrote in the newsletter that went out last week that hopefully so many of you have already received and have been able to take a look at.
One of the things I'm really proud about TPC is our ability to work well with others and to have constructed a cooperative network of partnerships with others in our ranks.
I think we are well respected and we give that respect back to everybody we have on this program.
We try to cheerlead and promote everybody who's doing good work and a lot of people who are doing good work have been able to help and support us as well.
So I think indeed there must be room in this country.
There's no room in the society for this kind of language.
So the ADL and the SBLT tells me, but no, there must be room in this country for a nexus such as this that has always been unreservedly devoted to the interest of our people.
We need your support to keep it going, ladies and gentlemen.
That's just all there is to it.
We don't exist.
We're 100% listener supportive.
We don't do it without you.
We've never been able to do it without you.
And I am a little bit apprehensious because the economy's taking a toll.
We had some people that came in late in the second quarter and really shored us up.
That one was looking pretty dicey.
First quarter was a little bit down.
So I am mildly concerned, not in the faith and the trust that you have in us, but just in terms of the economic realities of what people are able to do right now.
I get it.
I mean, we're all feeling this.
We're all in this together.
So I would ask that you continue to support us at whatever level you can.
$5, $10, believe me, we've kept going with contributions like that.
And I hope that you will consider it to be a small sacrifice to continue to contribute to a radio outlet, a talk radio media outlet dedicated to the proposition that, and I believe it, folks, the 21st century will not be our winner, but our springtime.
I believe that it can be.
I believe that it will be.
And when it is, and when you do see that, you will have played a part in it in our collaborative effort here and our collective will have played a part in it.
That's it.
Bottom line, you're a regular donor.
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That said, business out of the way now.
What do we have coming up for you tonight?
A true trifecta.
Been traveling so much.
Some of the things we would have covered a week or two ago, we've had to push, but I'm excited to get back to it tonight.
Donald Trump's arrest in Georgia.
Well, we've got Sam Dixon, the second most interviewed guest, behind only Jared Taylor himself.
And Sam's gaining on him.
Sam's actually got more appearances these last year.
I'm not going to say Sam can't beat him before the end of it all.
But you can't go wrong.
1A, 1B.
Anyway, Donald Trump arrested in Atlanta, Georgia, surrendering, getting that mugshot at the Fulton County jail there in the metro Atlanta area.
And we've got Sam right there in Atlanta, and he's going to tell us all about it.
He's been keeping his ear to the ground.
He's joining me right after this first commercial break.
And we're going to talk to him about that Donald Trump arrest and what it portends.
Then in the second hour, Virginia Aberdathy, another dear good friend, an old friend, Virginia Aberdathy, is going to be back.
She's going to be teasing the publication of her forthcoming autobiography.
And she's going to share with us her research and conclusions about the direction in which America is headed.
And then making his debut appearance in the third hour, Mark Time.
He wrote the book, The Man in the Mirror, which you can get at antelopehillpublishing.com.
We're going to hear from Mark Tom, and we're going to talk to you about so much more.
Those are the guests, but those are not all of the topics.
We're going to start taking them down one by one right after this.
Stay tuned, everybody.
Great to have you with us tonight.
Can't wait to get to the rest of the program.
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Why don't we say to the government writ large that they have to spend a little bit less?
Anyone ever had less money this year than you had last?
Anybody better have a 1% pay cut?
You deal with it.
That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut.
If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
Who are they?
Republicans.
Who are they?
Democrats.
Who are they?
Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money.
So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere.
The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning.
What's the day of reckoning?
The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, as you may have noticed, we have some classic production items here in Kew tonight, some you haven't heard in a while, and some classic commercials, vintage, maybe let's use that word vintage commercials tonight or spots, because we have, I don't know if you know the behind-the-scenes workings here on the Liberty News Radio Network.
There is a network hub in Utah and a network hub in Florida, and both can do the production work.
But most of the production for the last couple of years has been switched over to the Florida studio.
Of course, we're here locally in Memphis at the local station.
But nevertheless, the Florida studio that had been doing so much of the production work the last couple of years got walloped by the hurricane.
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We got some vintage stuff here.
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Sam, are you there?
I am.
Hello.
Good evening.
Wonderful to hear your voice.
I feel like I don't go a week without seeing you or talking to you this year.
It's just been one of those years where our paths have crossed, and I'm all the better for it.
It's great to have you back tonight.
I don't even think you need an introduction.
Everybody should know you are an orator, an attorney by trade, but an orator is how most people know you in this cause of ours.
And it's great to have you back.
They've probably seen my picture up in the post office.
That's why I thought they did a good job on that most wanted poster of yours this week, looking fit and young.
But no, anyway, hey, Sam, I got to say, this thing, I tell this story now.
It's already become a story to tell.
You were on with us the last show of, well, you're on with us a lot, but I'm speaking specifically of the last show of 2022.
It was our year in review show.
It was actually on New Year's Eve, which made it memorable.
And you said at that time, and even as recently as New Year's Eve, I said, no, that sounds fantastic.
That just doesn't sound like something that we'll really see.
You were talking about what was coming up in Georgia, even as early as New Year's Eve.
And I remember responding to you saying, well, Sam, if that happens, you're saying Donald Trump might go to prison.
And you said he is going to prison, James.
He is going to prison.
And now just, what, nine months later, it's all begun to crystallize.
What happened in your town, Atlanta, just a couple of days ago?
Well, Trump turned himself in, and they got the mugshot of him, and they're all jubilant over that.
The sheriff, before that happened, was gloating about it.
And it's all going along.
Everybody's come in now and been arrested.
I think they're all out on bond.
But the media is just lapping it up.
The district attorney, Fonnie Willis, is just the celebrity of the hour and a star.
And they cannot say enough about her that is good.
And it's rocking along.
She's trying to get it tried early.
The defendants want more time, which seems reasonable.
Some defendants are trying to move it to federal court, which also seems reasonable and certainly would give a fairer jury.
And Fonnie Willis is opposing moving it to federal court for obvious reasons.
She wants trial in her court, and she wants a jury drawn from a county that voted over three to one for Biden.
All right, Sam, let's right, that's what we all saw.
And you can give us the rest of the story.
Good job of recapping that because that's what I asked for.
But you're right there on the ground.
And not that you necessarily, just because you live in Atlanta, you would know, but you are an attorney.
You go to these courthouses.
You kind of keep your ear to the ground.
What exactly was Donald Trump charged with in the Fulton County case?
It's a state-based RICO law.
It's not the federal RICO racketeering influence, racketeer influenced in corrupt organizations.
And this is the RICO law is one of these things that, again, the Coppoline Every Block conservatives passed as a substitute for dealing with the racial reality of crime.
And it's very, very vague.
It's very expensive.
It's very easy to be dragged into court under it.
And Fonnie Willis has used this before.
And it's a perfect weapon for unscrupulous district attorneys.
I know one of the things they're really hanging their hat on is the statement that Trump was alleged to have made.
Can you find me some more votes?
Or are there another 20,000 votes out there or something like this?
I mean, I think that can be interpreted many different ways.
He's not necessarily saying, I mean, if you're a Trump supporter, you're saying he's not necessarily saying go and fabricate these votes or cheat these votes.
No, he never asked him to fabricate votes or steal votes.
His whole position was that he thought the election was being stolen from him.
And as you said, the statement is capable of different interpretations.
It's like if somebody said, you know, what do you do with your wife?
And you said, I'm taking care of her.
Well, you have to be in the mob and I'm taking care of her.
It can mean you're bumping her off, or you can be a loving husband and say, I'm taking care of her.
So it's a statement that if somebody is determined to come up with a claim that you're a criminal, they can say, well, James Edwards said he was taking care of his wife and he was killing her.
But no.
And district attorneys are not supposed to, you know, people are not supposed to be charged with crimes when it's a 50-50 toss of the coin.
That's not supposed to be what it works.
The district attorney is supposed to feel confident that this person can be convicted based on lawful evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt.
But there's another aspect of this which illustrates just how rotten the system of America is.
And that is they have cast their nets wide to catch many fish.
And they have indicted people with very tangential connections to all this stuff.
And to indict somebody under the RICO law, you have to have what they call predicate acts.
Somebody has to do something.
You and I can sit around and discuss World War III, but we have to take some kind of step to set off World War III before we can be accused of plotting to set off World War III.
And the predicate acts of some of these people are just really, really preposterous.
One of them, his predicate act was that Trump asked him to find someone's telephone number.
And he tried to get the telephone.
This is pretty thin soup.
But what's done, and I can't speak from the district attorney Phoney Willis, but I know that district attorneys do this all the time, is they will indict people against whom they really don't have a case with the intent of that they believe that they can get pressure this person and hammer them and make them come up with testimony that the DA needs against other people.
And I suspect that's what's going on here.
And to me, this is just a completely immoral thing that shouldn't be allowed under American law.
A district attorney who indicts somebody against whom he or she doesn't have a case should be disbarred.
All right, so this is this is key, I think.
And you made this point, which I thought was very interesting in an email exchange that you and I had a few days ago.
And you're talking about Trump's 18 co-defendants here.
And you've certainly got some very small fries in this net, as you put it.
Trump's Moby Dick.
You got some people we've never heard of before.
And you've got some bigger fish too.
You got Rudy Giuliani.
You got Mark Meadows, former chief of staff, Jenna Ellis, some of the names you know, some of the people on down the list.
You know, who are these people?
And I think what you're saying is, Sam, that hypothetically, a corrupt district attorney would arrest all of these people in the hopes that one of them will cop a plea or a deal and roll over and say things that aren't necessarily true so they can get the bigger fish.
Is that hypothetically what could happen in a situation like this?
Yeah, that's what I was just talking about.
Exactly.
And, you know, a lot of the conservatives have a very skewed idea of the criminal system.
You know, they think that criminals are being let loose.
There's no exception they are, but it's far more likely innocent people will go to jail than the guilty will get off.
And you don't win a criminal case.
If you get acquitted, you haven't won the case because that happens after you spend a year or two living in nightly terror that at some point you're going to go to jail and you probably had to pay $75,000 to $150,000 on attorney fee.
That's not a victory most people would sign up for.
And they know that these people are facing these colossal financial burdens.
Music coming in hot there.
Hang on right there, my friend.
We are going to take a quick break.
And we'll let this be the last break of the hour.
Let's skip that third segment break so we can take the last half hour with Sam uninterrupted because we're going to cut to the chase here.
We've sort of given you a review of what's happened in recent days in Fulton County, Georgia, Atlanta.
I'm going to tell you what it could lead to next.
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Well, I guess most of you listening probably didn't need to hear from us that Donald Trump had been arrested, indicted in Atlanta.
But I think Sam did an excellent job of sort of recapping what happened a couple of weeks ago to bring us back, to bring this back into focus.
And now we're going to get into, over the course of the next 30 minutes, where this may be going.
But before we do, Sam, I got to ask you this, because I said this in an email, to say that I'm a layman when it comes to the law is a disservice to laymen.
You obviously haven't spent a career as a practicing attorney, know much more about the ebbs and flows of schedules than I do.
But there was a case in Memphis back in 2019.
A Memphis fireman was arrested and charged with repeated rape of a minor, a young girl, over the course of a decade.
And he was arrested in 2019 and made local news because he was a fireman.
2019, his trial started this month.
And they said, well, you know, COVID slowed things down in 2020 and 2021, but his trial started this month.
That's four years later.
And even in my very inconsequential libel case, where we were roundly defeated at every turn as quickly as possible, it took a year and a half to flush through the system.
And so I'm looking at this thing in Georgia with Fonnie Willis.
And the day that Trump got his mug shot taken, she was saying that she wanted the trial to start a month later.
I mean, is that common?
No, it's not common at all.
And it doesn't give time to the defense attorneys to prepare their cases.
I think it's pretty clear what her fear is, is that somebody else will get the first bite at the apple.
Whichever one of these four pending trials goes first is going to be the one that's going to get massive publicity.
If you're the second or third person being, you know, handling these cases, you're not going to get publicity.
The big deal is going to be, oh, Trump convicted in D.C. or Trump convicted in Atlanta.
After that, it's going to be an afterthought.
And so she wants to get, she probably wants to be first to try the case.
Okay, so that explains it.
But I mean, is it even possible?
I mean, you're not talking.
I mean, it's not even just Trump.
You got all of these other co-defendants.
And I don't know if they all have to go together like the Nuremberg trial or if they'll take it one by one or how that works.
But it just go ahead.
She says she's going to try all 19 at the same time.
So it's going to be like Nuremberg.
How do you do it?
It's going to be very difficult.
You can imagine 19 separate defendants sitting in a courtroom.
The courtrooms are not colossal, but you know, things.
Each one is going to have to be sitting with his or her own lawyer or maybe two lawyers or a lawyer and a paralegal.
You're going to have 50 or 60 people who are actually involved in the presentation of the trial sitting in that room, plus the spectators.
And yeah, it's going to be very, very difficult.
Well, Trump will have got 19 separate defense attorneys making objections, you know, or it just wouldn't be a tremendous thing.
I don't know how they allocate the strikes either.
Under Georgia law, I'll say quite properly, conservatives have tried to change it for a long time.
Under Georgia law, the defense gets twice as many strikes as the district attorney.
But they don't get 19 strikes.
And so I don't know whether, you know, will Trump, because he's president, will he get half of them or only one of them or no strikes?
Anyway, there's some sort of practice that allows them to do this.
And I imagine the defense attorneys would get together and liaise together.
But the whole thing is like the January 6th committee.
I mean, we've gone beyond real government and these sort of Nero Stalin type show trials.
And in January 6th, the committee presentation was they hired Hollywood experts to help put on the thing.
They had this big screen behind them.
And, you know, it was just a giant extravaganza.
It wasn't a legitimate investigation or the conduct of government.
It was a spectacle, a show, a show trial, like what you expect under Stalin.
And that's what this has a lot of markings of the same thing.
Well, you wrote this in an email.
The country is morally sick.
And this is in response to the situation in Georgia, I think, specifically.
But in general, this is a comment that flies as well.
You write that the country's vomiting its guts out in the gutter in front of the homeless shelter.
The rot runs deep.
American society and culture is rotten in the very marrow of its bones.
I mean, here I think you have Fonnie Willis, who's not even trying to pretend that this is legitimate.
I mean, you know, 19, Trump himself will have a phalanx of attorneys in there.
As you said, 19 all at once, they're going to try to flush this through in the next couple of months.
I don't see how you could possibly do this even before the election of 2024.
Well, it doesn't matter.
And I hasten to say, I'm not saying that Tony Willis doesn't think she has a case.
I mean, she probably does think she has a case.
But, you know, for the citizens at large, you know, that this kind of case has never been brought against other people who've done the same thing.
That shows you right there what's going on.
You can have a system of laws, you know, which we theoretically have in America.
It's never meant much.
And it certainly has meant very little in our lifetimes, as you saw with your defamation suit.
But, you know, when you have a network of laws, a set of laws, but they're not applied evenly, you know, you can maintain all, then you've got a problem.
You can maintain all the appearances that the law is in place, but not have the actual spirit of the law because you're being highly selective and who's prosecuted and who's not.
Montesquieu described this kind of situation as the cruelest tyranny, a tyranny in which the appearances of the law are maintained, but not the reality.
So you've got people being prosecuted now who did really nothing.
You've also got people who did nothing more than Hillary Clinton did.
And nothing was ever done to her.
Well, we're going to get to that.
I want to get to that in just a you go ahead, Sam, please.
It sprays over into the First Amendment, too.
They're predicate acts that are included in her indictments, include things like appearing before legislative committees, holding hearings in Georgia, and giving testimony.
I mean, that's just fantastic.
You can turn that into a criminal charge.
I guess there could be circumstances.
You could accuse somebody of perjury, like the Biden's friends, when he was involved in the massive violation of the Fourth Amendment that Edward Snowden told us about.
And he had his people, when he was vice president with Obama, they had their people perjuring themselves before Congress, claiming the program didn't exist.
And you could go back to them for perjury.
Of course, not one of them ever saw the inside of the grand jury room, which just tells you how this system works.
I mean, it's just completely selective.
And they choose people based upon political considerations.
And the average American is lulled asleep.
And you hear people saying things on NPR like, this shows that no one is above the law.
Well, no, Hunter Biden shows that people are above the law.
The people that Biden is working with, when he was illegally tapping all involved in a program, he was illegally copying every email that American citizens sent or received.
You know, he was above the law.
All the people lying to Congress, you know, in his program, they were all above the law.
I said that.
I said that.
Yeah, in my American Renaissance speech, I said the only thing that matters now when you're in a court is what side you're on.
And we're going to get to that.
And I think that's going to be the most important part of this conversation we're having right now in just a few minutes.
And I don't want to spend much more time on this.
But you wrote, and I think quite rightly, and by the way, I mean, are people oblivious to the fact you look at where Trump's being indicted, Washington, D.C., with this black female judge native to Jamaica, obviously Alvin Bragg and that Letitia James in New York, and then now here, Fonnie Willison, if I'm pronouncing his name right, Patrick Sheriff, Patrick Labot and Fulton County, Georgia.
I mean, these are all blacks.
And just 30 seconds on this, Sam, and then we're going to move to, I think, again, what I think will be the most important part, but the behavior here that we're seeing here.
In Fulton County, especially, Jared and Brad Griffin were on with me two weeks ago in Alabama for that remote broadcast.
And they talked about how it seemed as though the law, the so-called law enforcement officials there in Atlanta were celebrating in the end zone, cracking jokes.
I mean, no sense of decorum at all.
This is the former president.
I mean, they're laughing.
They're gloating.
It just shows what the system is.
And this is what America is.
Americans, real Americans like you and me and our families, need to understand this is what America is.
And we have to go beyond this.
We cannot redeem this system.
You can't clean it up.
You can't have a first world country with a third world population.
When you have a third world population, you're a third world country.
That's what you've got.
And we need to get out of the third world country and get our own country.
It's a first world country.
You can't do it within the system.
You have to let the system destroy itself and move on.
Psychologically, you have to disconnect from the system.
That's where we are now, objuring the realm, building parallel societies.
That's all we can do up until a point where the simmer comes to a boil.
And you had just again today, Sam, as we transition on to what all of this may be leading to, you had just today.
I've never even heard of this guy.
His name is Ethan Nordine.
Apparently, he was associated in some capacity with the Proud Boys.
He was at January 6th.
You have video of him walking through the Capitol on January 6th.
He's walking past police officers.
They're not telling him to leave.
They're certainly not forcibly trying to remove him and him in opposition to that.
It looks like nothing's going on.
He's kind of milling around.
He got 18 years in prison today by a judge Tim Kelly, whoever that is, and wherever that is.
But you're seeing this kind of stuff all the time.
These people getting, I mean, how many 18-year cycles do you have in life?
That's either a half or two-thirds or a third.
That's a lot.
Every minute he's in jail, he has to be tense because he's going to be a target for the kind of people that are in the jails.
So it's going to be a study.
Our jails are going to be a disgrace to most countries on the face of the earth.
Here again, conservatives like country club jails.
I've never been in the country club jail.
Our jails are horrible.
Our jails are just terrible.
Jesus said, I was in prison and you visited.
Is he going to come to America and say, I was in prison and you sodomized me?
Most of Americans know what's going on in the jails.
They know that there's no relief given to white prisoners.
That's the kind of country we live in.
That's why it's rotten Marley to the very marrow of its bones.
Well, Sam, this is Keith.
To elaborate on your earlier point, you can't have a first world jail with a third world population.
That's exactly a jail population.
That's what we have in America now.
Let's face it, that's who is populating the jails.
That's why the jails in places like Atlanta and Washington, D.C. are not safe places for white people to be.
I had to adjust Keith's levels there.
Keith actually just got into the studio.
He was coming in from the old Miss Home Opener today.
So he's a little late to work tonight, but he is here now, and he was listening on the radio as he drove in.
But Sam, let me ask you this.
Okay, so Trump is facing.
We just talked about this anonymous guy who was there on January 6th, getting 18 years.
By the way, the judge in the Trump case in D.C., she's like the hanging judge as far as J-Sixers are concerned.
She's presided over several of these trials.
They've all gotten at least as much as the prosecution was asking for, if not more.
And so Trump is facing 700 years in prison if you tally it all up.
That's the truth.
That's not an exaggeration.
So here's the thing.
Is the establishment, is the system entirely out of touch with what this may do?
Or are they banking and are they correctly banking on the fact that there is no wall?
There is nowhere they can't go where the country won't acquiesce.
Are they misjudging this or are they playing it right?
I think that these are very committed people.
I think there are lots of these people.
You see them through the news media who would very happily put a bullet in the back of our heads.
They would happily herd farmers onto the train cars like Stalin and then send them to the gulag and steal their land.
They would happily take people out in the Katim Woods like they did the Polish Officer Corps and put bullets in the back of the head.
We are dealing with a large number of people who are essentially communists.
They're Marxists.
They may not even understand that themselves.
They don't have to have a membership card and a party, but their moral system is one that condones all kinds of horrible things.
These are very immoral and very wicked people.
And they are.
Let me ask you this.
Turn about is fair play.
Should we, if by an outside chance, Trump is elected or some Republican is elected, should we be going after them the way they've gone after us?
Should we go after the Black Lives Matter people and put them in jail for 700 years?
Well, that's a good question because these things should have been done before.
I mean, you've got the civil rights movement.
We should have gotten Jesse Jackson and John Lewis and put them in jail.
You had Antifa attacking Trump rallies in 2016 all over the country.
They attacked Trump's rally three times in Atlanta, Georgia.
None of them went to jail.
You had a so-called police system for a so-called system that was winking at organized violence from coast to coast toward the candidate of one of the two major parties in the country.
If Putin did this kind of thing, they'd be having hysterical reports on national public radio and the New York Times.
But when they do it, they like it.
They back it.
They embrace it.
They make it part of themselves.
They bring it into their souls.
And these are the things we're dealing with.
This is the point.
I think this is, again, the key to the whole conversation right now, because, gentlemen, you're both hitting on something here.
Here you have this anonymous proud boy.
He milled around in the Capitol for a short amount of time on January the 6th, no violence, 18 years in prison.
And you have, obviously, Black Lives Matter and Antifa, literal terrorist who, do you know how bad you would have to be to get arrested?
Because so many of them weren't, but to be arrested, and they're getting not only have their records been cleansed, they're getting millions of dollars in payouts.
That just goes to show the same system of government and of so-called justice, 18 years in prison on one hand, and for people who truly did engage in violence and acts of terrorism, they're getting paid.
They're getting paid by the same courts.
So that's where we're at.
And that's the question, Sam.
Going ahead, if Trump indeed, and this is still as unbelievable as it was, I think, to me and so many others to hear you say back in December of last year that Trump was going to go to prison.
Now I think we're accepting that, but it's still a little hard.
Well, it's hard to believe.
It's hard to fathom what reaction, if any, his base will have.
We've gone beyond that now, James.
We're not only reconciled to his going to jail.
We hope now that they won't kill him, that they won't assassinate him.
Well, that's what Tucker Carlson said, that they are going to assassinate him.
We'll see.
I mean, but it is true what Tucker Carlson said.
They went through all of this stuff, all of the phony impeachments, all of the different, all of that, and then this, and then maybe beyond.
But I mean, that's the thing, Sam.
I guess that's the question.
I mean, long story short, I'm bloviating now.
But is there anything that they can do that conservatives won't accept, or will conservatives reach a limit?
I think people, you gave an optimistic speech, and you're right.
I'm very pleased.
I mean, I remember back in the 50s and 60s, everybody believed the government.
Everybody believed people should, you know, they all loved the IRS.
They loved the FBI.
They loved the CIA.
You know, you know, there are tens of millions, maybe over 100 million people who now know that the FBI is simply a bunch of political thugs who go around bullying people for the people in the political faction of the establishment power structure that the FBI serves as their bodyguards.
This is a great step forward.
But as I've also said, we're never going to overthrow the system.
Our hope is the system is going to overthrow itself.
And when it does, there needs to be a tremendous reckoning with these people.
They do not belong in our new ethno-state.
I know people who are willing to wave them.
Hi, Heidi Byron.
Well, you're white, too.
Come right on in.
Well, Sam, let me say this about that.
Okay.
This may be the way, the path out of the woods for us.
Let's do to them.
They have shown us we have learned now from the masters what we ought to do when we gain control.
We know what the rules are.
Yeah, right.
So consequently, we start sending them to jail the way they send the proud boys to jail.
They will go berserk.
They will want to secede from the union and we'll tell them, don't let the door hit you in the ass when you're doing it.
Well, maybe they will, maybe they won't.
But I run afoul, Sam, of some of our friends with this.
If I had total control, if I was your benevolent dictator, yeah, they're all gone from social media.
There's no appeal.
There's no record.
They're just no, it's everything they did.
They have chosen the rules.
They have chosen the rules.
When you deal with somebody, unfortunately, the reality is that I know, hey, I've been to church.
I grew up in the church.
I know about returning good for evil.
I'm sorry, in the real world, that doesn't really work.
If you're walking in downtown, if you're walking in downtown and eight of these urban youths jump you intending to kill you, you don't fight with the urban youths the way you did it in boxing class in 10th grade with another 15-year-old that you're going to be eating lunch with and an hour in the school cafeteria.
The way the fight is conducted drops to the lowest common denominator.
You have to fight the urban youths the way they are fighting you.
And these people have chosen to take themselves out of civil society.
They started long ago with groups like the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
The express purpose of these groups was to prevent ideas from being heard, to choke off debate, to strangle civic debate, to control what people right there.
They should have been DOA with decent people.
Dead on arrival.
If somebody showed up in some right-wing group in 1955 and said, we want to prevent anybody from reading books.
We want to prevent anybody from hearing other people's ideas.
I think most people say, well, you're out of your damn mind.
Get out of the room.
But all these people, Mary Louise Kelly and Anderson Cooper, the district and the U.S. Attorney General, they are all keen.
They like this idea.
They've chosen it.
They've chosen to put people in jail for 18 years for ending the capital building while not prosecuting the feminists who interrupted and took over the room with Kavanaugh in the Kavanaugh hearing.
None of them went to jail.
So they've chosen the rules.
Doing to others as you should have them doing to you is not some kind of mystical thing.
It's the way life works.
And when people deal with you in this way, you deal with them back the way they deal with you.
Fair play.
You have a sense of fair play and they don't.
You're going to lose every time.
Keith, very quickly, I got to ask Sam to close with a powerful statement that he had.
Here's what I would say: okay, there's no marquee of Queensbury rules anymore in this fight.
It's like Oscar Wilde said in the 19th century, he said, in the real world, goodness isn't rewarded and evil isn't punished.
Instead, victory goes to the strong and defeat is thrust upon the weak.
Right?
That's right.
That's correct.
Sam, you said something in your American Renaissance speech that I took a blind stab in the dark at a couple of weeks ago to recreate.
And I'm sure I didn't do it justice.
But you were talking about how I don't know if it was the Spanish Civil War when they asked, when did you know that Civil War was inevitable?
And you tell us.
How did they know?
I saw an interview with a soldier who had supported the nationalists against the communists in the Spanish Civil War.
And the interviewer asked him, at what point do you think that things moved away from the norm into the posture of civil war?
And the soldier old man's replied, it was when I looked at these other people and I no longer saw them as fellow Spaniards.
Yes.
Even though they had a common ancestry.
I don't look at Heidi Byrish and see a fellow American.
Well, Heidi Byerke had something in common with those people that they were looking at, too, which seems to be a taboo topic.
But it was really true that these were not fellow Spanish citizens.
Sam, there's one more thing that you say, and we have only a minute remaining.
I don't look at the journalists on National Public Radio as fellow Americans.
That's right.
I mean, white or Jewish, there's a lot of white people without Jewish ancestry that we don't see as fellow Americans.
And that, that, that's, but Jewish ancestry seems to be driving it all.
Well, I mean, listen, I mean, well, that's a whole nother topic.
I got a lot of problem with whites that have, that have gone along with all of this more than the others, in fact.
But Sam, I don't even know if we have time with a minute remaining.
You have a talk about the bankruptcy of America, how it will be more bankrupt than any nation that's ever existed.
Can you give us the minute treatment on that?
I'll do my best.
This is what a Hungarian count has told me that Americans have lost everything except their money.
They've lost their families.
They've lost their religion.
They've lost their churches.
They've lost their race.
They've lost their literature.
They've lost their music.
They've lost their culture.
So the only thing that Americans have left is their money.
Whereas the only thing she said she had lost by having to flee the communists was her money.
She had everything else left.
And she said, when Americans lose their money, which is going to inevitably happen, should Americans be the most bankrupt people in human history.
And it may take that before we turn and face what needs to be done.
But nevertheless, it is something to remember.
And another great hour with Sam Dixon.
What's going to happen over the course of the next year?
Could you even take a gander at it, Sam?
I mean, where are we at a year from now?
I think Trump's not going to be elected president.
I don't think he could be anyway, because the demographics are sort of just moving steadily against anyone of any decency being elected.
But he couldn't be elected even if the elections were fair, and I don't think they are.
And, you know, so he's not going to, he's not going to be president.
And I don't think the Republicans are never going to do anything.
Even if a Republican gets elected, we've seen they never do anything.
We've never had a fair election since the passage of the 65 Voting Rights Act.
Well, no matter what happens, the good news is we won't have to wait a year from now to talk to Sam again.