Aug. 5, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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Welcome to TPC.
James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander, this Saturday evening, August the 5th, Year of Our Lord 2023.
We are doing our Charlottesville retrospective tonight, six years after the fact.
We don't always do a Charlottesville anniversary show.
I think we've done it once, maybe twice over the course of the past six years, but tonight we're doing it because, well, it's back in the news.
Peaceful protesters are once again being arrested for exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights of free speech and assembly six years after the fact.
And for that reason, among others, we're going to, we are going to look back on the anniversary of that historic and fateful day with the man who organized it himself, Mr. Jason Kessler.
Later on in the program tonight, you'll hear from Dr. Michael Hill, who was also there, and Ann Wilson Smith, who literally wrote the book about it, the author of Charlottesville Untold Inside Unite the Right.
Dr. Hill and Ann Smith will join the conversation in our second hour.
But first, let's say hello again to our friend and journalist, Jason Kessler.
Jason, how are you?
I'm doing great.
Great to be back on the program.
Thanks for having me.
It's always good to talk to you, and it's great to have you here tonight.
Now, we all know about what happened at Charlottesville on August the 12th, 2017.
We know what happened that day, what happened in the immediate aftermath, and in the prolonged aftermath, things that are still happening as we speak this evening.
But I'd like to go back, if I could, Jason, to six years ago tonight.
Six years ago tonight.
Let's focus on where things stood for you and the event itself on the evening of August the 5th, 2017, exactly one year prior to the event.
That was right around the time you made your first appearance on the political cesspool.
What were you doing six years ago tonight?
What were you expecting?
Well, if I can remember this correctly, I believe we had a number of things going on.
The one that the public was most aware of was our First Amendment fight, because right in the days leading up to the event itself, the city of Charlottesville tried to cancel the permit.
You know, and so it was just a hasty, speedy scramble to find an attorney.
I remember a number of people, Richard Spencer, for instance, suggesting I reach out to the ACLU.
And I did that.
I reached out to them on Twitter and a direct message.
And they got back to me and were willing to take the case.
I was also working with the movement attorney Kyle Bristow and also Sam Dixon informally.
And yeah, that was the scramble.
We had our organization online and Discord chat room.
And I remember there, you know, these are important lessons, really, for anybody who'd want to organize in the right.
But, you know, I mean, it was not so united the whole time.
There were lots of people fighting for different reasons.
And so it was putting out fires like that.
You know, the media has depicted the event as being like a Nuremberg rally or something.
But, you know, the way that I was trying to conceive of it was very, very optical.
And, you know, so a lot of it was trying to get people to, you know, have good streamlined messaging.
And Jason, you had a big legal victory literally in the 11th hour and 59th minute of the event right before the day itself.
The courts came through for you, astonishingly so, and with an assist from the ACLU.
Yeah, maybe one of the last big civil rights, quote unquote, victories that the true right will ever get in this country.
I think that once they pulled the rug out from under us on that, you know, they decided they would never do it again.
But at the time, yeah, it was a huge victory, and it seemed like we were being set up to really take the right wing to a new level of exposure and power within the country to give unprecedented visibility for what you could call a white civil rights movement and for bringing light to the fact that our European American history was under attack.
Jason, let me ask you one thing.
And I want to get Keith involved in this.
He's ready with the question.
But just for the audience, for the people who are unaware, what did the court or the judge decide in that last moment before the morning of the event?
Well, they decided that our civil rights had been violated, that the city of Charlottesville was refusing to grant us a permit for the assembly purely based on the content of our speech.
And the reasoning of the judge was basically that the city of Charlottesville had denied us our permit, and yet they granted a permit for Antifa and far left demonstrators in a park that used to be called Jackson Park after Stonewall Jackson.
They changed it to Justice Park, but they granted the permit for Justice Park.
Same scenario, just the political beliefs were different.
So for this judge, it couldn't have been any clearer that the only discrepancy was our political beliefs and the numerous statements that the black vice mayor and the Jewish mayor had made hostile to our events couldn't have made it any clearer.
Jason, this is Keith.
See, I'm old enough.
I remember the run-up to the Martin Luther King march in Memphis that preceded his assassination.
I remember how the civil rights lawyers for the black protesters at that time went to the federal court.
The city's officials went, put on their case, and there is a decision.
And there was never any idea that somehow they would disregard what the court said or try to come in there at the last minute and pull the rug out, which is what happened to you guys.
Let me ask you this.
Did you think that this was going to be just like the civil rights movement and that you were going to be able to protest without the media and the government basically doing everything they could to prevent you from exercising your First Amendment rights?
Well, at the time, I was a total neophyte to right-wing politics.
I didn't know about the revisionist history on different things, including the so-called civil rights era, World War II.
And I, you know, I came from a mainstream public education background.
And I was told that we didn't pay attention to the color of people's skin.
And, you know, I saw all this, these attacks on white people.
And I thought, well, the stuff that Martin Luther King and these other civil rights leaders were doing in the 60s should apply to us.
It is a logic and it is a morality that all Americans have accepted.
So if we do this event, Unite the Right, you know, when it's so clear that there is anti-white racism in the country behind the removal of these statues, then, you know, the public will embrace us and the law will uphold our rights.
And I think that one of the most important things about Charlottesville that people should understand is, you know, like it was a loss of innocence for the right wing because I was not the only one who believed that our rights still mattered in America.
This was a tidal shift in how the law is applied to right-wing dissidents.
Not only because the ACLU backed away from defending people like us after Charlottesville, but because the courts have become even more prejudiced and hostile.
We can't seem to get a civil rights or a free speech victory anywhere to save our lives now.
And so the whole legacy of the quote-unquote civil rights movement has been exposed as a fraud and a lie.
Absolutely.
That is a great point.
Great question and great point.
Jason, well, listen, folks, it's not every show that we get to talk with someone who is living and currently in the history books.
I mean, the event that Jason planned, the Unite the Right, August the 12th, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, is an event that is in the history books.
So we, you know, that's that cannot be overstated.
But I want to ask you two quick questions and as quickly as you can answer them, because we have a lot of things to talk about.
We are skipping the floater breaks this hour.
We're going to take the hard break at the bottom of the hour, but we're trying to maximize our time with Jason on the six-year anniversary of Charlottesville.
We need to speed up and get to where things stand now with the latest arrest.
But Jason, two questions, and I'll ask them both at once.
You take one after the other.
Number one, what did you hope to accomplish with that event in Charlottesville?
And how did you think the day would ultimately go?
Well, I wanted to start a white civil rights movement.
And I feel like with the energy that was there at the time with Trump and the growing awakening of white Americans as a discrete voting bloc in the United States, that that was a possibility.
People were becoming more aware of the hostility directed against white people and their need to organize as a group.
And I feel like if the government had not used such draconian repressive measures to shut that event down, we would have succeeded.
It would have been the start of something amazing.
And what was the second question?
How did you think the day would ultimately go?
I mean, obviously, no one could have foreseen what ultimately happened.
We're going to talk about that next.
So don't get into what happened, but how did you think the day would go as you woke up on that morning?
Well, I thought the police were going to show up and escort us and do their job.
I mean, a federal judge had ordered them to do that and that we were all going to give our speeches.
And it was going to be glorious because as the United States Constitution, you know, says, the people who didn't want to hear us would have to stay there and listen to it, whether they liked it or not.
And so that would have been glorious to have these crybabies have to listen to our what they call quote unquote hate speech.
As we know, unfortunately, that's not the way it turned out.
Now, you planned this whole event in response to the planned removal of the majestic equestrian monument to the great Confederate General Robert E. Lee.
Now, was that just a reason to get together for a grander cause or how much did that actually play into what you wanted to accomplish that day to make people reconsider to thrust that conversation into the national debate?
Yeah, I mean, obviously, it was the Confederate monument first.
First, they came for the Confederate monuments.
But also, you know, on August 11th, the night before, we marched to the statue of Thomas Jefferson.
And, you know, like people are now familiar with this iconic, you know, statue of Robert E. Lee that is now being violated by this black history, this black cultural center in Charlottesville, which is melting it down.
But, you know, people are so aware of it as an iconic thing.
But for me, it was very real.
Like, I went to the library next to this statue for years and would pick up books and sit under the shade of the tree and look at this statue.
And, you know, as racially charged as everything surrounding this event and the statue is now, there were people, you know, all the racial groups that lived in Charlottesville would go through this park.
And it was not a lightning rod until the left started to put their hate onto this poor statue of Robert E. Lee.
Now, let me ask you this.
We're going to bring Keith back on.
Keith, I believe you can testify to that as well.
We had not just the equestrian monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest here in Memphis, but also the grave of the general himself, which is now being just ghoulish, ghoulish.
But it never caused problems.
It was an entirely manufactured media crisis.
But Jason, now we proceed to the day itself.
When did you know that the powers that be, the local and state politicians and law enforcement had set you up to fail, that you were walking into a trap?
What were the first signs of trouble?
They weren't going to play fair.
It happened so fast that I really didn't truly comprehend what had happened until it was over with.
But there were two key moments.
Number one, we showed up at a nearby park where the police were supposed to meet us, where we were going to get our escort, and there were no police in sight whatsoever.
And ominously, there were empty prison buses all around.
Like they were about to, you know, they were prepared to just load us all up and throw us in prison.
And then when we went to the site anyway, you know, to the permitted protest area around Lee Park in downtown Charlottesville, you know, I didn't see any police separating the protesters and the counterprotesters.
And that was, you know, gasoline and fire together.
That was the one thing that they had to prevent to keep violence from breaking out.
And when I saw that that wasn't happening, you know, all bets were off.
I mean, God knows.
I mean, I'd put these combustible elements together for the intention of creating a spectacle, a controversial spectacle.
But it was predicated on the fact that we live in a society with responsible adults, their police departments and government officials that aren't going to let people get hurt.
But they did, they did it on purpose because they hated our beliefs and our speech that badly.
Well, what they did, Jason, I remember covering it and we called it a kill box.
They basically had one way in and one way out for you, and both ways were through a mob of anti-fug fugs.
Now, I can remember back at the Selma Bridge where the highway patrol was trying to block the protesters from coming out across the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
But what people don't realize about that is that the authorities, the courts, had said that they didn't have permission to go down there further.
See, this is what is, you guys had, you know, the authority and the permission of the courts to be there, and you were expecting the police to protect you the way that the police protected civil rights workers back in the civil rights era.
But that was not in the cards.
All of that, that shows that the whole civil rights movement was a fraud.
It was based on the lawfulness of the people who were opposing the civil rights protesters to follow the law.
There are no principles, I don't think, nowadays that the left is willing to acknowledge or to honor that would allow their opponents to have a peaceful protest.
They will do anything within their power, including defying the courts or coming in, you know, at the last minute and getting the rescission of an order.
There's nothing that the left won't do to win.
They're totally without principle, I think, now.
Well, I don't think I don't.
Yeah, you're thinking right, Keith.
And it's no illusion.
And I scoffed at, not scoffed, but I chuckled listening to you speak because this is something we're going to cover.
We were originally going to spend the entire three hours talking with people who were there on the ground that day, but we had to carve out one hour.
Our third hour is going to be dedicated to the most recent indictment and arrest of Donald Trump.
I mean, they're doing it to the president of the United States now.
They've come a long way in six years.
But Jason, comment on anything you heard Keith say that you'd like to speak to.
Well, I think that just for a second, the charges against Trump are directly related to what happened in Charlottesville.
I agree.
I agree.
Arrests, you know, the left has totally weaponized the courts.
They don't give a care at all for the good of the country because presidents break the law all the time, you know?
Absolutely.
They let them slide on little things because they don't want to destroy the fabric of the society.
And for a similar reason, free speech rights have been sacrosanct.
The safety of the public has been sacrosanct.
And they threw that out the window.
It's really an incredible situation that we have right now.
And in my view, the Justice Department is cracking down on us in a way which is very much like a communist nation.
And not just the courts, but the law enforcement agencies themselves, Keith.
Well, just imagine if six years after the fact, the Justice Department was arresting protesters at the Selma Civil Rights March or at the Memphis Civil Rights March or at the one in Oxford, Mississippi.
You never saw that type of retribution being visited upon the other side.
So it's we're playing a game where the rules are heads I win, tails you lose.
But we need to remember these rules now, the rules that have been enacted against us and if and when.
And I believe we are heading towards an event that may reshuffle the deck here in America.
And if and when that day comes, we should remember the rules that they set for us and we should apply them when the shoe is on the other foot once again, Jason.
The really evil thing, the most insidious thing is when an innocent person is convicted of something that they didn't do, when somebody lies.
That's right.
Send that person to prison.
And so it's even worse than these people set a trap for us.
What they did, and their lying friends in the media helped them with it, is they covered up the evidence.
They were like dirty cops, you know, hiding a gun, planting a fingerprint because they hid all evidence of the Antifa attacking us.
They hit all evidence that we had a permit.
You know, when they hid all the evidence that we repeatedly asked the police to separate protesters, and that's the reason there was violence there.
But then they want to go back and having hidden all those things, say the violence was because the right-wing people were bloodthirsty and wanted to attack innocent people.
And then they start rounding them up and putting them in jail over this lie.
And they even made up events, just like they did with World War II when they're trying to create this narrative about how evil the Germans were.
They invented whole cloth things like counter-protesters or protesters with torches surrounding a church, which is full of like left-wing preachers and Jewish rabbis and stuff.
Did not happen.
Totally fake.
And newspapers ran with stuff like that.
Well, you know, after Charlottesville, they had a similar type of protest in Shelbyville, Tennessee, where the police actually did separate the two groups, the protesters and the anti-protesters, and it went off without a hitch.
That's exactly what would have happened at Charlottesville if the police had done their job, if the governmental authorities had done their job.
We're coming up on the one break that we have to take this hour.
We normally have four breaks per hour, four segments, but we're going to take a break right now.
And when we come back, we're going to pick up right there with the law enforcement or lack thereof at Charlottesville as we remember that event with the man who planned it.
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We're back, ladies and gentlemen, with Jason Kessler himself.
Jason is known by history as the man who organized the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia on August the 12th, 2007.
The people who really organized it all were the mayor and the police chief who worked behind the scenes to basically frustrate any efforts made by the protesters to have their protest be a peaceful, ordinary protest.
Certainly took advantage of it, but he was the one who organized the event that they took advantage of and that they subverted.
But he's much more than just the organizer of Unite the Right.
He is a journalist.
You can find his bylines all over the place, including V-Dare.
He's also an honest man and my friend.
And I do believe in closing ranks and standing shoulder to shoulder with the people who have suffered these injustices by the system.
In fact, people who have suffered such injustice, it makes me want to stand by them all the more.
Jason, it's hard to imagine now.
Well, first of all, let me just say this very quickly.
We've gotten a few emails.
Why not cover this on August the 12th?
That was the anniversary of Charlottesville, and next Saturday happens to be August the 12th.
Well, the reason we're doing it a week early, for those of you who have asked, is because we'll be at Amrin next week and doing the live broadcast from there.
So we're doing it tonight.
Jason, hard to imagine, though, now that white dissidents could have ever believed that we could exercise our constitutionally protected rights of speech and assembly on the public square with the permit, as anyone in this country is supposed to be able to do.
It's hard to imagine that now, but six years ago tonight, it hadn't happened yet because Charlottesville was an unprecedented situation.
Hope Springs Eternal.
Well, what was your—we were talking about this before the break.
The complete disregard of their duty by the law enforcement.
What is your reaction as you're standing there?
You're watching this whole thing unravel.
You're watching police officers stand by and allow anti-fun BLM terrorists to waylay into the people who were permitted to be there.
I mean, that had to be an astonishing thing to witness.
Yeah, I mean, I did not believe that it was happening until the moment we were kicked out of the park.
Went into the park myself and there were state police, Virginia State Police around the speaking area and since I was the permit holder and one of the speakers, I thought I would be entitled to go into the speaking area.
And so I went up to the um, you know Virginia State Police, and I said hey, let me in.
I'm Jason Kessler, my name is on the permit.
And they wouldn't allow it.
They said only the Charlottesville police can authorize that.
And I looked around and I said there are no Charlottesville police anywhere.
That's the problem.
And so I I was just left in the lurch trying to figure out what was going on, and the moment we saw the cowardly Charlottesville police show up, they marched in a column with their megaphone and said this, uh, this site has been declared an unlawful assembly.
I couldn't.
I couldn't believe it.
I was just in shock because we've come from the high of this federal court victory we were on the precipice of creating.
Literally the night before, right Jason, literally the night before the court says, literally the night before this victory came through, that they were bound to uh, bound by, and they complete.
So obviously they're.
I mean, this is a true conspiracy that all of these law enforcement agencies had received their marching orders from someone.
Now did the federal court that had granted you permission earlier?
Were they the ones that rescinded it?
The same judge or someone different?
It never got rescinded.
No, it never got rescinded.
It's just that they there was no enforcement mechanism, as incredible as that sounds, you know, because that's yeah, our attorneys dropped us, the ACLU dropped us, refused to, you know, support us uh, so that we could file something in court to to get some kind of payback for what they'd done.
And I spent years spending my own money, tens of thousands of dollars, to try and punish these people in court and uphold our rights.
And in the end that, you know, I learned that apparently, judges can just decide whatever they want they can.
One judge can say, yeah, you know, police can't stand there and watch as people get beaten up and then use that as an excuse to disband a lawfully permitted rally, you know.
And then another judge, like the one that's in Charlottesville, for instance, can say yes, they can.
The police have no duty whatsoever to uphold free speech.
Of course, injected himself into that well, the original judge I don't recall his name, he was a George Uh W Bush appointee and then the.
The guy who refused to uphold our rights after the fact was uh judge Norman Moon, the Bill Clinton appointee, who was also the judge in uh, the Signs v Kessler case.
This, this uh Democrat appointee was basically brought in to just screw us over in every single case uh, you know, determining the aftermath of Charlottesville.
See, that's another thing that never happened in the civil rights movement.
You never had one federal judge overruling another in this.
All right, let me ask you this.
Let's speed things up as we move deeper into this hour.
Well, let me ask you this very quickly, Jason.
Just what were your personal eyewitness recollections as we are now to this point in the day where you are informed that even though a court order has come in, the law enforcement officials, the Virginia State troopers and the city of Charlottesville law enforcement, amongst other agencies, I presume, are not going to abide by the court order.
They are moving you out.
This was all orchestrated by someone, whether it be then Governor Terry McCullough or the Charlottesville locals or who knows, or perhaps all of them, and then some.
But what did you see after the mayhem ensued?
I mean, because we have talked to so many people over the years who had been beaten and throttled and witnessed all sorts of horrors.
What did you personally witness as you tried to then exit the area?
I marched in a column of people.
I had my blinders on partly because I was concerned about getting people out of there to safety.
Because once the police had made that determination, I knew that it wasn't lawful for us to be there anymore.
I know some people, like Eric Stryker, you know, had a tactic of civil disobedience and wanted to stay there.
And, you know, like I can understand why people would want to do that too.
But I felt like we were in the right legally and that we would eventually be vindicated in court.
I didn't want people to get arrested.
So I was encouraging people, let's get out of here.
Let's go to McIntyre Park.
I remember people in cars in Charlottesville just slowing down and stopping to heckle us.
And one car was so focused on us and yelling out the windows at us, they rear-ended somebody in front of them.
It was just absolute chaos.
It felt like the sacking of a city or something.
The energy was just electric and people, you know, people had lost touch with their senses on that day.
Well, I think you can look at it now and say pretty clearly they didn't want any sort of spark to be lit.
They wanted to shut down any form of righteous protest.
They wanted to allow violence to happen and then allow the victims to be blamed for the violence.
They wanted to teach people on our side that you cannot depend on the same safeguards that the people prosecuting the civil rights movement had depended upon.
And if, yeah, and if you do depend on that, then we will bankrupt you.
We may even send you to jail or prison for years.
Might even kill you.
How has Charlottesville been used, Jason, by the system?
What's its fallout and legacy as we stand tonight?
Well, of course, it's always going to continue to be used to attack Trump, and it's used as this scary, quasi-religious event for the left wing, you know, in the same way that they pick their personages to turn into Satan characters.
Like, you cannot discuss Adolf Hitler in any kind of rational way as a historical personage.
You know, you have to immediately declare your hatred for him because, you know, he was evil incarnate.
In a similar way, you know, anytime Charlottesville is brought up, it's like people have to immediately espouse how angry and offended they are about it.
You know, those people who went there were just terrible, you know, and it's and it's almost like such an extreme reaction that it's used as a rationale for why true free speech cannot be allowed because, oh, then you're going to get people like Charlottesville, you know.
But, of course, what happened in Charlottesville is a myth.
It's a total myth.
You know, everything about it from the fact that there were a bunch of peaceful students surrounding the Thomas Jefferson statue on August 11th when it was radical Antifa.
I mean, you had a guy, Paul Minton, who was convicted, not charged, convicted, abuse of a corpse for hiding the body of a murder victim.
You had a convicted domestic terrorist, Brent Betterly, there, who planned to bomb the home of Rahm Emmanuel during a WHO meeting.
You know, it's very dangerous.
To your point, to your point, to your point, that it wasn't the Unite the Right side, the people who were going there to defend the Lee Monument, a true American hero from being disgraced and dishonored and taken down.
It wasn't them.
It was the other side, the side that the media has claimed to be the peaceful protesters that was responsible for the violence, that was responsible for the violence.
And don't take our word for it.
Jason, two words, you tell me what it is and why it's significant.
The two words are Heathy report.
Yeah, this was a supposedly, you know, an unbiased report that the city of Charlottesville commissioned from former federal prosecutor Tim Hefe.
And he was going to look at all the evidence, all the documents, all the communications, including stuff that the public has never been able to see because basically these public officials wiped their hard drives after the fact, which doesn't speak well to their innocence in these matters.
But, you know, he concluded that this was a guy, a former federal prosecutor that the city, the city hired.
This was their guy.
And he came back with honest findings, the likes of which you very rarely see.
But let's let Jason indicting the government of bad faith.
I mean, it wasn't like this was our, it wasn't like, okay, we hired a guy or one of our friends wrote a report.
No, this was the city of Charlottesville guy.
But pardon the interruption, Jason.
Continue on with his findings.
Yeah, absolutely.
And this guy is a Democrat.
There's no two ways about it.
But he, and the Democrats hired him again after this to work on a J6 report.
So he's one of their guys.
But even so, he found that the city had failed in their obligations to keep the peace and uphold free speech rights.
And I think he did an admirable job in that report.
But of course, the media just covered it up.
It was part of the cover-up, the bloodline.
People who went to this event.
You have probably perhaps the last living honest liberal in the world.
And he gives this report, which is like manna from heaven, really a modern-day miracle.
It's totally disregarding.
Modern day miracle.
Yeah, Keith.
It's a modern day miracle.
It doesn't fit the narrative.
And so it's memory hold.
But my God, had he written what they wanted him to write, this fictitious version and accounting of events, it would have been the thing used to hang everybody.
But, you know, even though you had this report from their guy, which is supposed to be the definitive settling of accounts, it hasn't stopped them.
It hasn't stopped them from going after people.
Now, six years after the fact, you're seeing arrests.
And it should be reminded of people that lighting a tiki torch wasn't against the law in Charlottesville in 2017.
Marching on public property, a public university, wasn't against the law.
But now, six years later, and I know you've had a changing of the guard.
got a new DA in and he promised he ran a campaign promising to go after the people who were at the Unite the Right.
But why now, in your opinion, Jason, six years later, are you seeing arrests that didn't happen six days, six weeks, six months ago?
When you had nothing similar to that happen to the protesters at Selma or Memphis back in the civil rights era.
Well, I think we get why that is.
You had honest people in charge of things back then.
You have dishonest people now.
It's a totally, it's apples and oranges.
But why now, Jason, six years, these people facing five years in prison for, I don't even know, they're going back to arcane laws, antiquated laws, lighting an object with the intent to intimidate.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
But you're the guest.
Tell us.
You know, I could only make an educated guess, but two things that come to the top of my head.
First of all, they probably have more names of people now because, you know, these people on the other side, the leftists, the Antifa, and the government officials who are doing the prosecutions, they're obsessed with the people who went to Charlottesville.
They cannot let it go.
There are people who solicit donations on Patreon and whatnot.
This is all they focus on every single day.
And they've doxed and identified all these people who went to Charlottesville.
And the dangerous thing about these Antifa is that they work hand in glove with people in the FBI and these local prosecution offices.
And I'm pretty confident that somebody who is an admirer of some of these Antifa who are doing the doxing, you know, is in the DA's office because their level of knowledge of some of these people who are not movement leaders.
They're just normal people who showed up to a protest.
And they have this obsessive knowledge of these people that they would only get from the people who are obsessed with it.
And that's Antifa.
The other thing is, I think that they are inspired by the J6 prosecutions where the government basically cast this extremely wide net and decided we are not just going to go after a few bad offenders like somebody who punched a cop.
We're going to go after completely nonviolent protesters and we are going to throw the book at them and we're going to create a sense of terror in people.
We want them to be afraid because even if they were nonviolent, even if it's years later and they've moved on with their life, it doesn't matter if they apologize.
It doesn't matter.
We're going to track them down and we want them all to know and see it.
So this guy saw this happening to J6 and he thought, well, that's a wonderful idea.
I want to create terror in these people that I hate.
And so I'm going to track them down, regardless of whether they were a nonviolent protester or not, regardless of whether the law is clear or not.
This is a ridiculous interpretation of a law.
It's supposed to be of an AKK law for burning a critical statute.
Basically, it says you can't.
They have facial recognition.
They have facial recognition hardware now, and they can look at all of these things.
And you're right.
They decided they've done such a job of basically terrorizing everybody that had anything to do with the J6 event that they're going to do the same thing with the Tiki Torch march that preceded the Charlottesville melee that they had on August 12th of 2017.
They basically sending the message out to all right wingers, do not participate in any type of peaceful protest because if you do, we will film the whole thing.
We will eventually track you down to the ends of the earth.
It's like, you know, Dr. Frankenstein being followed by the Frankenstein's monster all the way to the North Pole and whatnot in the that Mary Shelley novel.
See, they've basically, see, nothing like this happened to people in the 60s that were protesting for civil rights.
This is just, you know, this is such a so-called, yeah, this is just such an about face and a lack of equal justice and fair play that people need to bring that up and they need to say, you know, this is, you know, the left does not play fair.
Let's get that determined, right?
You know, that should be number one on everybody's agenda.
You don't play fair.
If they don't play fair, then there are no rules.
Well, I think we know they don't, but I don't think anybody needs to be reminded of that.
After Charlotte.
Well, the thing is, it's just like a Trump.
Yeah, they're just, look, nothing like that ever happened.
The right never did anything like that to other people.
Now, I think you could say, Jason, that certainly they're going after these people now to stifle dissent.
But yeah, go ahead.
First of all, I think that if somebody is listening to this who went to Charlottesville, keep your morale.
Be proud.
Do not focus on what is happening at this moment.
Think about what is going to happen in 20, 50, 100 years from now when your ancestors, other white people are looking back at this period, which is the most awful period for our people that has ever existed.
And they look at the cowardice and the retreating.
Who stood up for them?
It was the people in Charlottesville.
That is abundantly clear that they stood up without retreat, you know, without any kind of fear for what the establishment was going to do to them, unapologetically.
And so we can be proud of that.
But second, it's not even about the civil rights thing.
That was a mistake.
It was a smokescreen because we thought we had civil rights.
We never did.
As far as the left is concerned, this is war.
Why is it war?
It's because they're taking political prisoners.
And that's what you do to a dissident group that you are at war with.
And so people should not feel like they did something wrong or that they're bad people if they end up being the victim of a political prosecution because the people who are punishing you and trying to make you feel bad about yourself are evil people.
They're breaking their own rules.
They're changing the law to lock people up for things that weren't illegal when it happened.
It's naked abuse of power.
And so I say, keep your head up.
You did the right thing and you should be proud of yourself.
Well, see, they're trying to chill the expression of First Amendment rights by people on the right.
That's the whole purpose of it.
And it reminds me of the Italian socialist Vilfredo Predo's famous quote back in the 19th century.
He said, when I am weak, I ask for justice and equality from you because those are your principles.
When I am strong, I deny fairness and equality to you because that is my principle.
All right.
Let me ask you this, Jason.
Couple of questions that have come in from listeners, including one of our friends from Nashville who was there with you on that day.
We'll ask these just very quick, 30-second answers if you don't mind.
Going back to the Hefey report, which I don't think, any interview or any conversation about Charlottesville, no matter what the venue, no matter who the guest, is complete without a mention of the hepat.
But the question is, how about judge Moon calling the Hefey report inadmissible hearsay at the civil trial?
Yeah, not only that, but let me add one other thing is that they disallowed the testimony of detective Steve Young, who did the investigation in the uh James Field homicide case, which found that there was not only uh, no communication whatsoever between James Field and any of the organizers.
You know that no one even knew him.
No one knew him.
And yet they disallowed that because they want to uh jury rig the perception that there was some kind of conspiracy to run people over.
And and if you polled the American public, because of the effectiveness of propaganda, that's probably what the majority of just normal people think is that the people went to Charlottesville to run people over.
We've got all of these arrests now happening, where people are facing five years in prison for lighting a tiki torch with the intent to intimidate, apparently.
So that's all happening in real time.
It's going to take a while to sort that out and for it to go through the courts.
I mean, of course uh, not too long ago we covered extensively, we spent a whole month of programming covering the Charlottesville civil trial, had a chance to listen uh, in the court every day on the media listen line.
I listened to every word that was said as um, as part of that trial.
That civil trial is something we haven't really touched on with Jason tonight, but that was certainly something.
I'm sure most of you are familiar with, that if you're regular listeners.
But Jason, let me ask you this, as we begin to run out of time only two minutes left.
I want to thank you again for coming on with us tonight, especially this time of year, especially for this conversation.
But what is the way forward?
What is the way forward uh, for dissidents?
Uh, in this day and age we're now, should we not have public protests or what can we do to safeguard another Charlottesville?
We don't want that to happen again.
We don't want people to be tormented and uh, you know, hunted down, but we also don't want to be silenced.
We don't want to be silenced and we don't want to be beaten.
So what is the way forward now, especially this age where Donald Trump is going to be going to prison for about 400 years here, probably in the next year?
It's a complicated question.
You know, it's often been said that you know who control, who controls the streets, controls the nation, and uh, I I think that there is something uh true to that.
That doesn't necessarily mean we need to do protests in a way that is going to entrap us.
But I think that meeting in close-knit groups where we can speak outside of the Internet and outside of public is really important because right now we're putting ourselves at a strategic disadvantage by doing so much online where, first of all, I mean, you can't speak freely when, you know, you're being watched by Antifa and the ADL.
and maybe Mossad, the FBI.
You know, even if you're speaking, big brother is watching you every time you're on the internet.
Yes, even if you're speaking about a hundred percent illegal.
Yeah, I mean, all of that's right.
I mean this whole thing.
I talked about it with Brad Griffin.
I believe it in my heart.
This whole thing, not because of anything necessarily we're gonna do or not do, and I certainly don't think anybody should go out and do anything illegal or advocate for it.
I say that every show, this whole system is gonna fall apart, and certainly within our lifetimes, I believe, but perhaps within the next couple of years.
I mean we're entering into, with the blue state putting Trump in prison, the red state president, we're entering into an era of American history that is absolutely unprecedented, has no parallel and Jason, I do believe what you said earlier.
It all started, by and large and to a certain extent, in Charlottesville.
Thank you for being on with us tonight, Jason.
It's always good to talk to you.
And we'll talk to you again soon, I hope.
We have Dr. Michael Hill in the next hour, along with Ann Wilson-Smith, author of the book Charlottesville Untold Inside United Right.