Nov. 19, 2022 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Saturday evening, November the 19th, we are live.
This is TPC.
I'm your host, James Edwards, along with Keith Alexander.
And what are we going to talk about tonight?
The Trump announcement.
That's one of the things we're going to talk about tonight, and that's for sure.
Donald Trump is running for president again.
Between our last show and tonight, he has officially made the announcement.
We watched it.
We watched it all.
Maybe you did too.
We'll share with you our reaction to it.
Also, coming up this evening, another first-time guest, and we're really looking forward to having Patrick Martin on the broadcast in this, our first hour.
He's a columnist for Identity Dixie, but he's a lot more than that.
And we'll introduce him to you.
He's going to make his debut on the program this evening to share his thoughts on not just the Trump announcement, but the idea of Trump versus DeSantis in the Republican Party primaries, that question.
Everybody's talking about it, and he's got an interesting take on it.
So we'll get to that in just a moment.
A little later on in the program, this is the weekend of the annual American Renaissance Conference.
All of our friends up there at Amrin are, as we speak, eating and enjoying what will soon be their dinner banquet speaker.
We're going to take an Amrin live look.
We're going to go live to the scene with three different correspondents.
We'll be taking a segment apiece in the second hour to share with you their observations, takeaways, paint a picture of what we're all missing tonight up there at Amrin.
So we look forward to that.
Also, nationwide protests in Brazil.
We're going to have our friend from Brazil calling in later tonight, acting as a correspondent, in fact.
So we look forward to all of that and much, much more representatives from Antelope Hill Publishing in the third hour.
We're going to have company the whole show tonight, except for this first segment.
So let's just get right down to it.
Keith, you and I both watched the Trump announcement.
It truly did, to me, fall a little flat.
I know a lot of people have panned it as low energy.
It definitely didn't bring about all of that tingling that we felt in 15 when he was so wonderfully refreshing and something you hadn't seen before.
And I think that's the way I would paint this.
I mean, we have all seen this before.
And sometimes when something comes back a second time, it comes back as a farce.
I'm not saying I wouldn't support Donald Trump.
Listen, I stand by what I said the other day.
And again, what I said was Trump is the candidate that would most raise the political stress level and create additional instability in this country.
And I think that's what we need.
I think that's better than returning to the status quo.
We'll talk about Ron DeSantis and where he figures into that particular picture.
But overall, I mean, the speech was okay.
He once again failed to mention white Americans.
He went back to talking about how great his administration was for African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans.
Failed to mention the people who actually voted for him, of course.
A lot of the things he said he wouldn't ever be able to do, but I liked it.
I mean, executing drug dealers, you know, give them a 24-hour trial and, you know, things like that.
I mean, that was fun.
It just didn't capture the essence and the spirit of the first go-around.
But again, hey, one thing you got to remember, folks, is between now and Election Day 2024, anything could happen.
And I mean, anything up to and including a full-on economic depression or even World War III.
So new opportunities may become viable as the United States continues to fracture along racial and religious lines.
So keep the faith there.
As far as Trump goes, all we can do is wait and see what happens.
But the speech was non-plussing to me.
I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for him.
Certainly, we'll see how the primaries go, and I plan to, but you see the ultimate answer.
I mean, he never was.
No, but on the other hand, he's the guy with seniority.
Plus, he's the guy that has enough money and staying power and the confrontational attitude necessary to basically irritate the bejeebers out of the deep state and the Democrats in particular, and also the deep straight Republicans.
So he serves very useful purpose.
I think it would be a mistake for people to split the Republican Party by being a, let's say, a DeSantis supporter versus a Trump supporter.
We need to get Trump behind him and then just see what happens.
I think circumstances are going to take care of themselves.
What the Democrats have done now, a couple of days after he announced, they've announced they're starting an investigation.
They're going to hector Trump through his second term if he gets it just as long and through the election cycle to try to take his eyes off the ball.
And of course, they're going to bring this suit in a very favorable venue, either New York or Washington, where a conviction is.
But before you go forward, I mean, that's something that's happened even since he announced a couple of days ago.
Now you have Merrick Garland and his Department of Social Justice.
They have appointed a special counsel now to move forward.
Also known as Merrick Garfinkel, okay?
Yeah, that's his real name.
But see, he has ears that look like two radar receptors or something.
Now, your guess was, I was saying, well, look, if all they wanted to do was go after Trump, why didn't they go after him before?
Now, you said what you thought was the quid pro quo was, you don't run again, we won't put you in jail.
But if you run again, we're going to come after you.
And then lo and behold, within, what, 48, 72 hours of the announcement, they've escalated this so-called investigation.
See, they may take him out under the Espionage Act.
If they get a conviction under the Espionage Act, they will argue that that disqualifies him from any federal job, including president.
Everybody else was saying he's running to stave that off.
You're saying he welcomed it by announcing.
Yeah, well, basically, what he did was he let the other shoe drop.
This is the other shoe dropping.
And they're going to bring this in New York or in Washington, D.C., where they're assured of getting a conviction, which means he will have to appeal it.
And they're hoping that by the time the election rolls around, the appeal will not be resolved.
And therefore, you know, he could be elected president, put into and installed as president, and then have the rug pulled out from under him.
And see, under those circumstances, we need to have a good backup candidate.
And that's who DeSantis would be.
But you call him the halfway house between Trumpism and Conservative Incorporated.
I wonder if he's that good.
There are a lot of things I like about DeSantis.
I certainly, out of the people who could possibly nab the nomination, I mean, he's the only other guy that I would even look at.
I mean, you know, you've got people like Paul Gozer in the House, but he's not a national guy that's going to take the nomination.
People would be somebody like Nikki Haley or Mike Pence or Jeb Bush, which are totally unacceptable to me.
I'd sit out the election before I'd vote for those people.
But on the other hand, DeSantis is a little more savvy than Trump on how to get things done through the government.
We're going to be talking with Patrick about that.
Trump had a, you know, candidate Trump was much better than President Trump.
He brought up all the right topics as the candidate, but as president, he didn't know how to get it done.
He relied on the deep state and the deep state was to be able to get to the point.
That's what we talked about at the pre-show supper.
I said, you know, one of the things I was hoping to see from Trump, I didn't expect an apology.
I didn't want an apology.
But what I was hoping I might have seen was, hey, guys, you know what?
I made a lot of mistakes.
I made a lot of bad appointments.
I learned a lesson and that's not going to happen again.
Something like that.
But I didn't see anything that led us to believe that he did anything other than all the right moves that he did.
I mean, he had some horrible appointments.
Look, that's Trump's personality.
He never.
That's not apologizing to say, I'm going to, I know what I did wrong, and that's not going to happen again.
Humility is not his greatest virtue, okay?
He is often in error, but never in doubt.
But on the other hand, what he does do, he did get the economy in better shape humming around along than it has been in decades.
And, you know, let's say that he wasn't able to serve as president.
I would like DeSantis to be the president and appoint him chief economic advisor.
Well, you'd have to have DeSantis, I guess, as a running mate.
But anyway, I know DeSantis would have to, yeah, we'll have to see.
Got to take a break.
But I tell you, one of the things he could run on is, and he mentioned it, I will keep America out of foolish wars, explicitly running against the funding of the war criminal and the puppet Zelensky would be a winning issue for Trump.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
I mean, it's so far away, my God.
I mean, we're a week, two weeks past the midterm.
We'll be back with Patrick Martin.
Stay tuned.
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Why does the left lie constantly?
Because they get spiritual power from lying.
The lies come from Satan, the father of lies.
John 8, 44.
Here's how the political lying process works.
Satan provides the beast with a lie.
Then the more they use the lie, the more spiritual power they get.
Look, the media is a lie multiplier, and this multiplication gives more evil spiritual power to the beast.
And that can overwhelm and even deceive the body of Christ, especially when the body is being disobedient to the head.
The churches today are incorporated, so they're subordinate to human government.
They obey the beast and do nothing to restore our national relationship with God.
And the government shall be on his shoulders.
Isaiah 9, 6.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the program, and let's get to our featured guest of the evening.
Joining this conversation in progress is Patrick Martin.
He is a devout Christian and dedicated Southern nationalist.
He's an author and a podcaster for Identity Dixie.
Be sure to check them out at identitydixie.com.
He's a southern nationalist, which is a southern nationalist confederation of content producers.
Patrick holds a master's degree in Islamic law and studies, an MBA in international finance, and he has traveled to 78 countries on behalf of the American Empire before it turned on him.
Today, Patrick and his wife own four companies on two different continents that employ doxed dissidents in several states and countries.
He and his family reside in the sunshine state of Florida.
Patrick, thank you for being on with us tonight.
It is great to have you on.
Thank you very much for the invitation.
I greatly appreciate being on your show.
I've been a longtime fan.
Thank you.
Well, as we have of your writing, and in fact, we just got a comment from a listener in Kentucky who said, great to have Patrick on tonight.
I've been following him for a long time.
So your reputation precedes you, sir.
So let's get down to it.
You wrote an article entitled The Real Problem with Trump.
I want to ask you to share your thoughts or share your takeaways from that article with the audience.
But first, any reactions to Trump's announcement speech that you'd like to share?
Yes.
As far as Trump is concerned, it was for his style of speech.
I thought it was a little bit on the lower side of energy.
I think he was trying to be measured.
I think there's been some pushback over the course of the last week regarding some of the lower blows that he did towards Ron DeSantis, towards Glenn Young.
And I think he may have gotten some feedback on that.
So it looked like he tried to avoid some of those more personal attacks on the Republican side of the house.
He stuck to a script in many ways, which is rare for Trump.
And by sticking that script, I think it kind of pulled down his energy level a little bit.
He tends to do a little bit better when he's off the cuff and really goes off of the rails and certain things.
I did think that some of the stuff was a rehash of what he did well, where Biden is failing.
I think he did very well on that.
He did great in identifying where there's a stark contrast between Trump and Biden in general, where I think he kind of gets off the mark a bit here.
And you can see this is where the scripted part comes in.
Around the midway point, maybe a little bit early in the midway point, he goes back to some of the tired conversations about record low black, Hispanic unemployment, et cetera, et cetera.
I know he's got to play the whole suit, I guess, so to speak, in terms of trying to appeal to as many people as possible.
But the statistics continue to show that that's never going to be his group.
He didn't win a majority of black voters.
He really needs to hone in on strengthening on where his strengths were, which was the Rust Belt and the South, which did very well under the Trump economy.
And that's really, those are his voters.
That's who he should be looking towards are those white, working class, middle-class voters who have been completely abandoned by both political parties over the last, really, two decades, but especially the last decade.
So that's where I kind of, it's one of those, like, you kind of cringe a little bit and say, Trump, your voter class doesn't really care about this stuff.
But again, it sounded to me like somebody had written a large portion of that script.
And that's why I came across a little bit lower energy than his normal up-tempo type of freestyle of speech.
Okay, and those are good observations.
And again, good analysis.
And I think we all saw that.
And that is a takeaway that seems to be shared by many.
And I don't think you're going to keep Trump contained like that throughout the course of a primary season and certainly a general election.
But as far as all we can do is talk about what's happened thus far, and that was it.
And that was last week.
Now, big discussion about Trump and DeSantis.
Now, I know it is ridiculously a long way away.
Anything can and will change before then, but it is the topic that other people are batting around.
So let's talk about it.
You are in Florida, and I think you've already got a horse in this race, right?
What's the problem with Trump as you see it?
So the problem with Trump versus DeSantis, and again, I wrote on this article, The Big Red Flop on Ideni Dixie, was what you see with Trump is that Trump is very good at communicating, and he has a communication style that does speak to the working class base.
That part's, there's no question about it.
He's one of the better communicators in that regard.
He's also very good at picking candidates who can also speak to that base.
Where Trump fails is that Trump doesn't really care about the minutiae of doing things.
Now, one of the readers pointed out, and it was a really good point out, he's been in real estate for so long.
Real estate developers tend to outsource just about everything.
They outsource carpentry, they outsource plumbing, electrical, you name it.
Everything is outsourced out.
He's the big vision guy.
He's very good at being the big vision guy.
But the problem for Trump is going to be, and it continues to be this.
If he doesn't get support for his folks that get out the vote support, that's where they fail.
During 2020, which I do believe the election was stolen from him, there was a major get out the vote operation largely because...
You're talking about micro politics now as opposed to the macro that you said he excels in.
Go ahead.
100%, 100%.
He's great at the macro stuff.
When you're talking about a midterm election, when you're talking about that minutiae of electioneering, that's when he fails.
He needs those people.
He should have fold-out tables and teams that are doing the same type of ballot harvesting that's happening in Michigan, that's happening in Arizona, that's happening in California.
Those should be out in gun shows.
Those should be right outside or maybe a block away, because I know the Johnson Amendment doesn't allow this, a block away from the local evangelical church, the Baptist church.
That's where he needs to be.
He needs to have teams that are able to do that and fight fire with fire.
And he's just not that guy.
He doesn't think along those lines.
That's where DeSantis does.
DeSantis' get out the vote operation, DeSantis' political engineering is much stronger.
And granted, it's on a state level.
But with the money and the presence that Trump has, by 2022, especially after 2020 fell apart, by 2022, Trump should have had a team that was ready to support people like Perry Lake, support folks like Oz up in Pennsylvania, Bulldock in New Hampshire.
That's really where he fails.
And that's the unfortunate part because we saw in 2022, this was kind of a wimpy Republican victory.
And I got some thoughts on that too.
But overall, if you're going to go into 2024 and none of these electoral changes have been fixed, then you've got to be ready to fight fire or fire.
And that's where Trump's going to fail.
Patrick, this is Keith.
Hi, Keith.
The way I've always put it is a candidate Trump was far preferable to President Trump.
I agree.
You know, he knows what topics turn the electorate on, the part that is going to respond and vote for a Republican candidate.
On the other hand, DeSantis is more savvy on how government operates.
He is better equipped to get things done.
At least that's my opinion.
Does that correspond with your outlook on this?
It does, yes.
So one of the things that a lot of folks outside of Florida don't know that DeSantis did, when DeSantis came in as governor, I mean, he barely won the election.
We almost had ourselves a crack-smoking bisexual black fella from Tallahassee.
And God stepped out to intervene.
Thank the Lord.
And Trump did have a big hand in stopping that.
He did.
And where I think, well, of course, because you did have the FBI investigating, by the way, Gillum at the time, for a number of fraud issues that ultimately didn't go forward because the Biden team came in and quietly squashed some of that stuff.
But it was definitely there.
There were definitely fraud allegations of Gillam in Tallahassee when he was mayor of Tallahassee.
Gillum was never really the chosen candidate in that year anyway in 2018.
They had a couple of other candidates that they had hoped to be able to push forward.
So DeSantis barely wins.
Now, what's interesting here is the most powerful office in the state of Florida is the Secretary of Agriculture, not necessarily the governorship.
Secretary of Agriculture has a lot of power.
There's a lot of reasons for that.
It goes back to the old Dixiecrat movement that occurred in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s, where a lot of Florida Democrats, Dixiecrats, were afraid of Yankee transplants coming in and destroying Florida.
And so they realigned districts to take away some of the power.
from these new urban transplants that came in.
And it held until very recently when the demographic shift, you had this urban expansion coming out of these cities.
And that was starting to erode some of those, it was called the Pork Chop Gang, began to erode some of those gains.
What DeSantis did really well to make sure he did not have a repeat of 2018 was that he very quietly sat down with power brokers, both left and right, and talked them into redistricting certain locations.
And he did so in such a way that largely disarmed them.
And when you're talking about power brokers who are from the rural areas, that's fine.
He had them in the bag already.
When you're talking about power brokers in heavily Jewish concentrations in Southeast Florida, urban areas like Orlando, urban areas like Tampa, you have to do a few things differently to try to win their trust.
And he was able to successfully get them to effectively surrender their power.
And then once they did that, he was able to get a legislature that was more amenable to his goals in 2020.
So when Trump loses the election, again, I do believe it was stolen.
You see this now.
DeSantis now has a much more powerful base in the Florida legislature, do whatever he wants.
So if I call it, hold on right there.
He gets hurt.
Let's take a quick break.
When we come back, more opinion analysis and commentary by Patrick Martin of Identity Dixie.
Hey, folks, are you enjoying his appearance so far?
I sure am.
And I think we're going to make him a regular.
You'll hear a lot more from Padrick as the months go on.
You'll hear more from him in about three minutes as well.
Stay tuned.
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Ladies and gentlemen, in the next hour, we're going to go to three correspondents live from the American Renaissance Conference taking place this evening near Nashville.
Our guest this hour, Patrick Martin of identitydixie.com, want to move pretty quickly here.
Of course, we're talking about the Trump announcement.
And, you know, as far as it goes, the speech was fine in terms of its content.
It just seemed as though we had seen it before.
It's like the sequel to the movie isn't quite as fresh as the original and, you know, a little bit poorer imitation.
What he said in the speech, though, most of it I agreed with, things like the government is being run by radical leftists and third world countries can count voters faster than America does.
No men on sports teams.
He condemned what he called gender insanity and critical race theory, keeping America out of foreign wars.
I mean, again, I said, yeah, that's right.
The low-hanging fruit.
If he did run on withholding funding from Zelensky, I think that's a winning issue.
And then there were some things that he said that he won't be able to do, of course, like the death penalty for drug dealers within the first, you know, 24 hours.
And, you know, he mentioned using the military to crush BLM and antifone.
Well, I wish he would have done that when he actually had the power.
And getting rid of early voting.
Now, that's the thing, Patrick, that I think is that it's something that has to be looked at very seriously.
You look at all the data is in now.
We've had two weeks to pour over everything.
The Republicans actually won the nationwide popular vote aside from Generation Z.
And aside from Generation Z, they gained in every demographic group, including urban blacks, Hispanics, and women.
But the Dem still managed to squeak by.
If the Republicans don't address mail-in and drop box balloting, I don't see how they ever win a national election again because the whole national election, you can forget campaigning in 45 states.
45 states are either dark red or dark blue.
The whole thing comes down to about five states.
Yes.
Yeah, that is absolutely right.
I think, again, when you talk about Generation Z, by the way, one of the things that's been pointed out by Generation Z, Generation Z is no longer the legacy American Heritage American demographic anymore.
It's changed a lot.
So when you look at Generation Z from its white Christian base now, they're going about 55% voting.
So when you have ballot harvesting available, when you have mail-in ballots available, again, you could set up a shop.
You set up a table somewhere in an area that's heavily trafficked, that has a heavy traffic of Generation Z, other demographic types, and get their votes versus asking them to come to a polling place or asking them to draw, even buy a stamp and mail their ballot in, you could do it for them.
So you're making it a lot easier for them.
I think the problem you're going to have here is that the southern states have it right.
They've been able to control their legislatures, control their voting type, their referenda and so forth.
But these other states within these United States, these leftists are not about to go change the rules.
So if you're not going to get those rules changed, Michigan, for instance, for the first time since 1984, I believe, has a total supermajority of Democrat control from top to bottom.
Well, Trump doesn't win 2024 without Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Minnesota.
One of those, two of those four.
So from an electoral perspective, if you want to fight that, you've got to be ready to show up with your fold-out table to go to your demographics and really begin to press this issue because they're not changing mail-in ballots.
And you can't do it from federal law because you're restricted constitutionally from doing so.
So as a result, the only way you're going to be able to do this is you've got to fight fire of fire.
You've got to build that game that's capable of doing that.
Patrick, Keith Alexander, again.
The mail-in ballots and these expand and these early voting periods, this is all a product of the Voting Rights Act of 65.
And what has happened is that because voting is a phenomenon that is controlled by state law, and thank goodness it is, because if it's federal law, we wouldn't have a prayer.
But it seems that the only states that we can depend on fair play in will be red states, purple states and blue states.
If you have Democrats in charge of counting the votes, what was it that Stalin said, who votes doesn't matter.
Who counts the votes is what matter.
And that's what we keep running into.
I think the last two elections have been stolen from the Republicans.
I'm not at all shy about saying that.
And the way they do it is sometime after the polls close, what they do is they tally up the votes and they say, how far are we the Democrats behind?
And then when they find out how much, they look in the black voter precincts and say, who hasn't voted?
And they draw them up and say, now they voted and they voted for the Democrat.
This is a long-term phenomenon here in the South, particularly in a place like Memphis that has a majority black population.
They've always been doing this.
They say, if you don't believe in life after death, come to Memphis on election.
All right, well, so that's probably, see, that's what, so the point I'm trying to make is, do you really think there's any chance without basically taking the voter fraud head on to stop another election from being stolen and that basically people that are wringing their hands about Trump or any other Republican are just whistling Dixie?
It's not going to happen.
Well, two points on that.
One, I do think there's a chance, only because you've got to have a chance, right?
So first of all, I think that the country itself is so badly flawed now, there really is no fixing the system.
There's no fixing these United States at this stage.
The South has got it right because the South has committed itself to constitutional principles, which, by the way, were not supposed to be democracies.
This is supposed to be a republic.
It was supposed to be, voting was supposed to be done by a very sober mind, somebody who was willing to study the electoral issues that were local that affected that individual, would show up to the ballot and put their vote in.
Now they've expanded voting because democracies have always failed.
Democracies are the way in which you can get the majority to overrun the minority.
The have-nots can overrun the haves.
So we have to figure out a way to win.
If you really do want to fix this issue, we know that the Democrats are not going to give up that power easily.
We know that.
So staying within the union in general is an issue.
Now we're going to be there.
That's there.
Well, that's the thing, Padrick.
I mean, this was something we mentioned last week.
I mean, it's not been a novel idea on this program.
We've been talking about it for years.
Kevin McDonald was on the show last week.
He wrote an article, and this is just one quick excerpt from that article in terms of Trump running again.
Kevin writes, quote, would be good simply because it would further polarize the country if that's possible.
Trump's everlasting contribution was to upend the comfortable neocon chamber of commerce Republican establishment that would have forever given us unending Jeb versus Hillary type elections.
We need polarization, hopefully leading to a divorce.
And that's the thing.
I mean, that's the thing we're looking at.
Yes, we vote right now because that's where the game is played.
But almost certainly and almost without question, the time for voting ourselves out of the situation has passed.
We need to explore alternatives like secession.
And meanwhile, though, however, again, the system does seem to genuinely be opposed to Trump, and he can be counted on to further that divide.
So for that reason, I'm glad he's running.
We need these fissures to widen a China shape in order to have a future on this continent.
I mean, that's the way I see it.
I think what you, I agree with you, by the way, on everything you're saying.
I think the one issue where I would disagree, we're not going to fight our way out.
Now, this is not going to be a rehash of 1861, 1865.
And of course, if it was, I'm pretty sure the South would win this one.
I mean, I've seen what's sitting up north, and our boys are winning.
But with that said, when you look at it from secession, in order to make that occur, because I do believe that's the path we're on our way.
I do believe balkanization is the future of these United States.
And if you're going to go with balkanization, you have to have the political capacity to pull that off.
We're going to have to have the legislatures who say, you know what, it is in our best interest to break away from California rule, break away from New York rule.
And now it's time for us to carve out our own path.
And you are beginning to see that.
I think Kemp was an excellent example of someone who took Georgia and ran it as he felt it.
Now, I do believe Kemp also played a role in stealing the election in 2020 from Trump.
That's a whole other side angle there.
But he has built a political machine internally in Georgia that is very strong and is very loyal to Trump, to Kemp, excuse me.
And DeSantis is doing the same.
Ivy's doing something like that in Alabama.
Abbott did that in Texas.
So if we are going to secede, we need to begin looking at southern governors within those states who can build these kinds of legislatures that ultimately turn around and say, this rest of this union is not working for us.
We need to break away from this.
And if Trump winds up being the catalyst to that, if they steal the election in 2024 again, which they will, if Trump's a candidate, I guarantee they will, if that happens, we need to have the kind of political leadership and ground game that's capable of saying, enough is enough.
It's time for us to go.
We've always had the opinion, Patrick, that basically we've got to somehow trick the blue states into seceding from us.
That's the, you know, something like Cal Exit would be wonderful for us.
And because, you know, I look back at the Civil War and everything since then, basically, psychologically, the New England Yankees just could not forego or give up the exquisite pleasure they got from bending us to their will.
And that same mindset is still alive in the Democratic Party.
All right, hold on right there.
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Their majorities, their supermajorities increased during the midterm.
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I could have really used one more segment with Patrick Barton tonight.
I sure could have.
It feels as though we're running a little bit out of time before I have covered everything I wanted to cover.
So Patrick, if we could, I really have to cover two segments worth of this one segment with you.
I want to talk with you about DeSantis, but most importantly, I want to talk with you about what happened in the South on the night of the midterm elections and why.
But first, very quickly on DeSantis.
So Keith and I were talking about, Keith called him the halfway house between Trumpism, the best things we like about Trump, and, you know, maybe conservatism incorporated.
So on one hand, in best case, Ron DeSantis is what we like about Trump, but with the ability to get things done.
The worst case would be he is a guy that will slowly.
He's a Trojan horse.
Well, I don't really think that's the realistic.
It's that he would be a guy that would either purposefully or inadvertently pump the brakes and lead us back into traditional Republican versus Democratic politics.
In 60 seconds or less, which of those two scenarios do you think is most likely?
I think DeSantis is very far hard right.
Okay, so you do believe that that's all real?
You think that that's real?
Let me ask you real quickly.
Yes, sir.
I was just going to say, how many Congress people do you have in Florida?
We only have nine in Tennessee.
What do you have down there?
29.
We see game hits.
How many Democratic seats, how many seats did the Democrats get in this last election?
I believe it was eight, if I recall.
I think it was eight that they won.
Might have been, I'm pretty sure it was eight.
Okay.
I'm trying to remember exactly because he stole the rephrase that I was about to say stolen.
He was able to reduce the number of Democrat seats by a total of four and give them to the Republican Party, including taking away two traditionally black congressional districts through, again, what I was talking about before, the redistricting work that he did, taking away an all-black district in Florida 5 and Florida 10, which is in the Orlando area.
Florida 5 is Jacksonville, Tallahassee.
It ran about 165 miles of one thin strip.
And so he was able to change that up.
But I believe it was eight, if I'm not mistaken, in terms of how many Democrats were there.
See, here in Tennessee, we have nine, and there's only one black.
There's only one majority black place in Tennessee City, and that is Memphis because it was part of the Delta.
What the Republican legislature, which is like 90% of the state legislature, could have done is steamroll the Democrats and taken that one away.
And it seems like the way things are playing out, that the Republicans are going to need every single congressional seat they can get, because I don't see us getting any in the future in those blue states.
Well, a couple of them in New York.
New York flipped a couple.
But I want to ask you this real quick because I don't really have the time to continue on with this standard, but I wanted to ask you one thing.
People said, and rightly so, they marveled at the spread in Florida.
How did he do that?
Wow, how did that happen?
You actually wrote an article that detailed how he was able to do that, and it was pretty impressive.
So folks, check that out at identitydixie.com.
We actually reposted it last week, the week of the elections.
We re-posted that at thepolitical cesspool.org.
It's worth a read.
One thing, though, that I saw that raised my eyebrows, I saw a headline on CNN, CNN.com.
It was an op-ed written by David Axelrod, of course, the longtime anti-Christ, anti-white Democratic operative.
He wrote that the midterm elections were a blessing in disguise for Republicans.
I was like, what's this guy talking about?
And he said it was a blessing because this will usher in the DeSantis era of the Republican Party.
And it will, you know, he's such a better can.
I was like, well, why is this guy being so helpful?
Why is he being so helpful?
Why is he helping us so much?
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
Well, Keith said his take was that he's just trying to foment a Republican Civil War.
I think he wants to split the Republican vote between Trump and DeSantis.
And either way that falls, then you're going to have a disaffected one half of the Republican Party.
You think that's what he was up to?
Yeah, and I think that the thing to do is let Trump play his hand.
I think that they're going to take him out with this prosecution under the Espionage Act, and they're going to argue that that disqualifies him from being president.
And then DeSantis could step in without having his fingerprints on, you know, the fate of Trump.
All right.
Anyway, we're all in agreement here.
Ultimately, new ideas are going to have to be our salvation.
I'm a secessionist, but right now the game is being played by voting, so we participate in that.
We'll throw the kitchen sink at this thing.
We'll try anything, and we'll try everything.
But I will tell you one thing that was interesting amidst all of this news was how the South broke on election night last week, Padrig.
And Brad Griffin, who was on the show a couple of weeks ago for the preview show, immediately before the elections, he has come up with a post-mortem here with regards to the South.
And the South, you know, for all the talk that the abortion issue was going to kill the Republicans, it only strengthened them in the South.
The South now has Republicans, have absolute power in the South, a biased grip.
Break down that article for us because I know you found it interesting as well.
I did.
First of all, Brad's a fantastic writer.
I've always liked his content, even though he and I have occasionally disagreed on certain things.
He is a fantastic writer, and he really puts it quite succinctly.
Really, what boils down to that Brad points out is that the South is a cultural, is culturally different.
It's distinct.
And as a result, with all these other, there's a lot of white noise.
What I got out of his article was simply this.
There's a lot of white noise regarding the election because I think there's so many Trump candidates playing out in other races like Pennsylvania, like Arizona, that was taking away a lot of the national headlines.
But the South stayed true to its own.
It stayed true to its culture.
It drilled down.
Our norms are held together stronger than ever before.
Abortion wound up being a positive for us in that we finally are protecting the right of children to live, that we are pushing against these transgender, ridiculous policies and all this other stuff.
Culture, I think he points out in the beginning of his articles, culture is king.
And he's right.
And the South, unlike all this other white noise going on around us, the South was true to itself.
It continues to grow a conservative majority.
And as it continues to grow a conservative majority, it's not just any conservative majority.
And again, this goes back to secession now.
If we're going to be looking at a political solution to secession, which I do believe will happen in the next 10 years, if we're going to look at that, you need to look at how these political races are happening at the local level, at the state level, your country's level.
And Brad does a great job breaking down each one of the states and what they did to win, to really break out and create a Southern Republican bloc.
Okay, now, you talked about secession.
How seriously do you think a Southern state will get about secession?
We have talked many times about the fact that, and this is a fact, and that's why we repeat it so much, the Republican Party of Texas put secession in as an official plank in their platform.
Do you think we will live to see the day when a Republican-controlled state in the South, not people from the outside, not outliers and commentators and people working in dissident organizations like South Government, but people from the inside actually move forward with that question?
I do.
I think it's pretty realistic.
And here's what I think is going to happen.
You talk about the blue states.
Keith, you were saying that the blue states need to secede first, Caleagux, and so forth.
I think what's going to happen is something a little bit different.
The South continues to be a stumbling block for this Marxist conclusions being pushed by Washington, D.C.
And as it continues to be a stumbling block, as it continues to be a supermajority type region that stays Republican and gets more conservative, by the way, along with having SCODIS at 6-3.
And as long as that can stay where even Roberts is really more of a kind of left side, my personal opinion.
But that said, there is going to come a point of time in which there will be blue states that will be frustrated, that they cannot get through their climate agenda.
They cannot get through their sacrifice stamolic type stuff with regard to abortions, with regard to transgender sensitivity, all sorts of stuff.
So they are going to, they're going to get sick and tired of the South being that stumbling block, and they're going to want the South out.
And if we continue to focus at a very local level in terms of secession, pushing forward the agenda, do these United States work for us?
Is it more important for you to preserve a constitutional republic or a union?
Is the constitutional principles worth more than a union?
And if those constitutional principles are more important to you, such as your right to free speech, your right to own guns, your right to freedom of religion, et cetera, then you really should be thinking about this, Southern man.
It's time to go because the rest of that union is not invested in the same constitutional principles you are.
And if we can get those legislatures and we can get those individuals thinking along those lines, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those blue states want to kick out the South.
And now it's a matter of just playing the game and saying, we agree.
It's time to go.
I want Keith to have a word on this, but Patrick, what you're talking about right now reminds me of the very simple and obvious point is that in order to be an independent nation, you have to have a culture that is entirely separate from that of your geographic surroundings.
And boy, I mean, again, the fissures only widened last week.
I mean, now more than ever, the different and separate entities that exist.
It's as we said last week, I think we have many nations that exist within two blocks on this continent.
And those blocks right now are the Democrats and the Republicans.
But go, Keith.
Well, here's a $64,000 question, Patrick.
If we had a plebiscite like they had in Scotland where they said, do you want to be independent or do you want to stay?
Do you think that the South would vote at this time to break off?
I think Southern whites would.
I think the biggest stumbling block for Southern secession will be the approximately 20 to 30% on average per state black vote that would not want to leave a federal architecture.
That's where it winds up becoming a little bit of a challenge.
The two challenges you have are Yankee transplants that are invested in a American empire type.
And when I say American, I'm talking about America as defined by New England Empire.
And you have black voters who have always viewed states' rights as a euphemism for some form of their oppression.
And so you would have to get past that.
So I think if it was a plebiscite that was white Southerners, I think there's no question it would go smoothly.
I think you'd see about 65, 70% vote to leave the union as it is currently configured.
However, we would win the plebiscite, yes, sir.
I do think, however, there's going to have to be some work done to ensure that either those transplants are somewhat mitigated or minimized in terms of their voice and or work to ensure that there's some level of maybe black separatism, something along those lines that gives a sort of a bone to the other side of the argument to say things can be better for you if we separate the two sides.
Ladies and gentlemen, do yourself a favor.
Go to identitydixie.com and check out any content written, verbal or otherwise, produced by Patrick Martin.
What a grand first and debut appearance on the program tonight, Patrick.
We will stay in touch with you.
I know you've got a book coming out soon on Charlottesville, a brand new book on Charlottesville.
We'll have you back on in the coming weeks to talk about that.
And of course, Confederate History Month next spring and hopefully many more times to come.
Thank you so much, Patrick, for informing our conversation tonight.