Sept. 3, 2022 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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ladies and gentlemen.
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Three hours coming your way this evening here on TPC.
I'm your host, James Edwards, and welcome to September.
Fall is right around the corner.
Summer in the rearview mirror.
And I can't wait to take it into the last four months of what is been, what is and what has been perhaps our best broadcasting year to date.
I know we say that every year, but every year we do want to get a little bit better.
And this has been another year where we have synthesized the mainstay guests along with guests who are making debut appearances on the program, some special broadcasts from the road again.
And speaking of some of those first-time guests, how about Jose Niño last week?
And then earlier in August, a little apostate.
We have had some great time with the first-timers as well as those you hear per annum.
And we've got three of those coming your way this evening, ladies and gentlemen, as we turn that corner and head into autumn.
I want to make the last four months of this year unforgettable as we power into the future here on TPC.
So here's what's coming up tonight.
Allow me to set the stage for you, if I could.
Joining us on the program this evening, in fact, in the very next segment, is the one and only California State Professor Emeritus, Dr. Kevin McDonald.
He's back on the show to discuss the psychology of self-hating whites.
Now, we love Kevin McDonald, and as we inch ever more closely to our 20th year anniversary, we've been talking about, now that's coming up in 2024, so it's not next year, but it's close enough now to where it's on my radar.
And we've been talking the last couple of months.
You've heard us mention some of the top five guys, the people who have vlogged, the men who have logged the most appearances, those five men.
And you heard from one last week, Sam Dixon, tonight, Kevin McDonald, he's another one, to have been appearing on this program so consistently over the course of nearly two decades.
That is a wonderful fraternity, and we're so thankful to guests like that who provide us with their talents and continue to appear to this audience.
And they've, of course, become so much more than guests over this time that we toil in these vineyards together.
They are, in fact, very close and dear friends.
But Kevin McDonald's coming up in just a moment.
In the second hour, Ramsey Paul will be with us to break down Joe Biden's speech.
What was that all about?
Did Joe Biden just declare war on Middle America?
We'll talk to Ramsey Paul about that.
And then I'm really looking forward to a conversation we're going to be having in the third hour with international corporate attorney Bill Johnson.
He's going to be on from Los Angeles to discuss what a geopolitical Russian alliance with China and Japan might mean for the West.
Now, if you don't know this about Bill, Bill has been a lifer in our cause, but you may not know that he is a corporate attorney with interest, a great deal of interest in Japanese clients and in Japan, and he is fluent in Japanese.
And I heard him on a live stream earlier this year in which he was talking about this question, and I put it in the back of my mind, and I said, the next time we have a chance to get Bill on, I want to talk to him about this.
And that was several months ago, but we're going to take care of that tonight.
And so that's the three that we've got coming your way.
Kevin McDonald, Ramsey Paul, and Bill Johnson.
Some great guests coming up throughout September.
A terrible night for Keith Alexander to miss.
So Keith Alexander, well, look, folks, I'll just level with you.
It's Old Miss's home opener.
So Keith is down in Oxford.
But there were some stories in the news that were absolutely tailor-made for Keith, including the fact that Jackson, Mississippi, which now has this black nationalist mayor, he's been in charge for a while now.
Well, we know that they built the pyramids, of course, but they can't keep running water in cities that they administer here in the United States.
And so Keith was just, boy, could he have sunk his teeth into that.
We had to put that on ice.
We'll get it next time.
Keith's on.
The Bank of America thing, where Bank of America is giving you zero down and zero closing costs if you're black.
That's not racist or race-based discrimination at all, naturally, because whites are the victims, so therefore it can't be.
And then Frodie Midyard, I had the opportunity to appear with Frodie on his film festival that he does, his annual film festival.
And last year, we talked about the film Predator, and of course, Sunnyland, one of the stars in that movie, was a big friend of ours and a regular guest in his own right until his untimely passing a few years back.
But Frodie has just done a review of A Time to Kill.
He calls it Hollywood's most blatant piece of anti-white propaganda.
And Keith actually went to law school, I think, with John Grisham.
So he knows a little bit about that story.
And that was a true story.
Did you know that that was a true story in A Time to Kill?
The only thing that they got mixed up was the races were reversed.
It was, in fact, a black-on-white crime rather than a white-on-black as portrayed in the movie.
Well, Frodie just did a review on that.
And Keith, we're going to try to get Frodie on.
We're going to try to get Frodie on this month so he and Keith can break that down.
And Brother Nathaniel's lined up for this month.
I haven't talked to him in about a year.
He's going to be on September 17th.
So a lot of things coming on.
Now, I want to tell you one more thing.
We're going to go to the break.
And I understand Mr. Producer just told me that Kevin McDonald is already waiting.
So we're testing out a new system, a new guest system that we've used primarily for international guests.
But then we discovered, hey, why not use it for domestic guests as well?
It's a hands-free deal.
So then I'll just hold the phone to their ear for an hour.
And Kevin is already there.
So we're going to get to Kevin directly after this break.
But I just want to let you know one more thing.
I tried to paint this verbal picture for you last week, ladies and gentlemen, and we just ran out of time.
But if you've been to the mailbox this week, you'll know that TPC's third quarter fundraising initiative is underway.
And the details of this particular drive and its incentive are in the mail if you're a regular donor to the program.
And we had a great time, as we always do, putting these things together.
So what was going on in the Edwards home about a week and a half ago, my wife and I were sitting at the coffee table.
We were folding the letters.
And then we would hand them to our one-year-old.
She'll be two in October.
And she was ferrying the letters over to my brother, who was putting the labels and the stamps on the envelopes.
And then they were passed over to my cousin, who was dealing with the stuffing and sealing of the envelopes.
Was a full family operation as it always is, and as it always has been for these last 18 years, to get the quarterly newsletter and fundraising appeal out.
And I think we've got a wonderful incentive gift for you, ladies and gentlemen.
If I do say so myself, and we didn't want to let the cat out of the bag last week, but now that we're officially underway, for those who want to hear more good news, why we should be optimistic, reasons for optimism.
Well, you can get that.
If you donate at the level that triggers the fundraising incentive, you're going to receive a DVD video and you'll receive a copy of this DVD that includes not one but two uplifting and informative speeches.
Yes, indeed, folks, it is a TPC double feature.
Now, these speeches took place at the League of the South's annual conference a little bit earlier this summer.
And wouldn't you know, the two speakers that we chose that we selected for you are two of TPC's top five guys: Sam Dixon's recent speech, Why We Should Be Optimistic, and the aforementioned Dr. Kevin McDonald and his speech, Confronting Jewish Power.
We'll be back with Dr. McDonald right after this.
Here we go.
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Why does the left lie constantly?
Because they get spiritual power from lying.
The lies come from Satan, the father of lies.
John 8:44.
Here's how the political lying process works: Satan provides the beast with a lie.
Then, the more they use the lie, the more spiritual power they get.
Look, the media is a lie multiplier, and this multiplication gives more evil spiritual power to the beast.
And that can overwhelm and even deceive the body of Christ, especially when the body is being disobedient to the head.
The churches today are incorporated, so they're subordinate to human government.
They obey the beast and do nothing to restore our national relationship with God.
And the government shall be on his shoulders.
Isaiah 9:6.
That verse is not for the present-day church.
Rather, it is for the end time church, the body of the line of Judah.
A message from Christ's Kingdom Ministries.
Well, folks, as I was just telling you, we promise you a September to remember here on this radio broadcast.
And I can't think of a guest any better to kick off any given month than Dr. Kevin McDonald, a former professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, the author of several books we've talked about over the many years he's been appearing.
Cultural insurrections and individualism and the Western liberal tradition are among them.
And he's back tonight to talk with us primarily about the psychology of self-hating whites.
And we'll get to that in just a moment.
Kevin, how are you doing tonight?
I know we had Kevin just there.
I'm sorry.
I muted the microphone.
Sorry.
There you go.
No, no problem.
And listen, you're coming in with crystal clear audio clarity, my friend.
How are you?
Okay, good, good.
Sorry about that.
No, no problem.
Well, listen, I want to get to it all, but first, do you have a take on Biden's speech?
That certainly seems to be the talk of the town and of our ranks as well.
Yeah, I mean, it was very intensely negative about Trump voters, which, of course, are almost all white.
And I think it's because Biden, the Democrats, really don't have any big issues to run on.
I mean, they can't run on inflation, the economy, crime in the cities, the border, any of these things.
And so what they're trying to do is scare the hell out of people.
And, you know, people, if you take what Biden's saying seriously, you know, you, oh, geez, if you vote Republican, fascism's around the corner, you know, horrible things.
So, yeah, I think it's a fear campaign.
And I think that's their message for the midterms, sadly.
Kevin, I think you're exactly right.
And as a matter of fact, I had this thought in mind that I booked Mark, and I need to put this up on Twitter before I forget it.
But I saw through this.
I mean, this was a transparent ruse.
This was you have no issues, so you need to make the midterm elections about anything other than the economy and the rampant inflation and the cost of gas and the cost of groceries and of what the Republicans won on a couple of years ago, critical race theory and transgenderism and all of that.
So if you sort of recalibrate this whole thing with, of course, the controlled press as serving as your mouthpiece, and you make it, hey, if you don't vote for us, your rights and liberties and blah, blah, blah are going to be taken away.
And they give the Republicans way too much credit.
The Republicans aren't nearly cool enough for any of that.
But that's what it's all about at the end of the day, politically speaking.
And that will actually segue into what we brought you on to talk about.
But yes, I think you and I are in agreement on that.
Yeah, I think, you know, it's a fear campaign.
And, you know, they're well aware that the COVID fear campaign totally worked.
And they can, you know, gin up this panic.
In this case, it's what you call a moral panic.
You know, it's a panic that, oh, my gosh, you know, if this happens, it's the end of the world.
We've got the second coming of Hitler.
And, you know, it's just the end of everything.
If you take a look at these Republicans, it ain't going to happen that way.
But, you know, that's the pitch.
And, you know, sadly, I look on sort of liberal Twitter accounts and they buy it totally.
I mean, totally buy it.
And you see some op-eds now saying, yes, it is fascism.
And that's really what it is.
And so we have to.
But yeah, the entire establishment's been in complete meltdown since Trump got elected.
I mean, you've had investigation after investigation.
And it's really motivated, I think, by his comments on immigration and the effects of immigration, that Brussels is in Brussels anymore.
And things New Mexico's not sending their best and really cutting down and wanting to cutting down on illegal immigration.
I think that is just, that's a dagger to the heart of the establishment.
They can't, you know, that's just the end of the world.
And so they have pulled out all the stops.
And now with this document thing with Mar-a-Lago, but it's one thing after another.
And I do think that if they didn't have that, they'd have something else.
And they'll keep going.
They just can't have him running.
They can't have him winning again.
That would be, that really would be, you wouldn't believe the anger, the hostility, and the absolute trauma that would cause on the left.
I think the best case scenario fantasy for us was that they would be so apoplectic that they would be the ones to secede and save us the trouble of it all.
Please.
That's probably wishful thinking on our part.
But hey, you never know.
History is still unwritten as the cliché goes.
But yes, I mean, going back to Trump when he first got in there with the Russia Gate hoax and then the three impeachments in January 6th, the Mar-a-Lago, and now all middle-American Trump voters or Hitler.
I mean, it's just, it's entirely fanciful, but that's what they want the discussion to be about rather than, again, the economy is stupid.
But we'll talk more about that with Ramsey Paul in the second hour.
But right now, let's talk about the whites who cheered Biden's speech, Kevin.
And that's what we're here to talk about, the psychology of white self-hatred, those who would cheer it.
I mean, you literally practically wrote the book and coined the term as far as I'm concerned with regards to pathological altruism.
Let's take a quick refresher's course, maybe 60 seconds or less.
Give us the definition of pathological altruism and how it applies to those who are cheering Biden's attack on their own people.
Yeah, pathological altruism is when you do things that help other people that also hurt yourself.
So it's altruism, but it's pathological when it gets to the point that it really starts to harm your vital self-interest.
And so, you know, there's experimental data on this sort of thing where you have, you know, say the wife of an alcoholic husband and he beats her and he just can't, and she just feels, well, I have to take care of him or something.
And it just keeps happening.
And so you see these people.
But I think it is sort of a mass phenomenon among whites now that they feel they need to do this.
And they're very willing to punish other white people.
And it's one of the things that experimental data has shown that individualists, we Westerners are individualists, we are willing to punish other people, even at cost to ourselves, if they violate moral norms.
And so these people are, you know, they're happy to have us locked up or done anything because we have transgressed these absolutely sanctified moral precepts regarding how you talk about race, how you talk about immigration, how you talk about these basic issues.
So that's pathological.
It's cathological because in the long run, this will result in absolute disaster for white people.
And they don't see that.
It's already happening to their children.
They can't get into a junior college university they want to.
They're going to be passed over for promotions and for getting jobs.
And it's already happening for sure.
But these people, they don't mind punishing whites, other whites, even innocent whites, because of the past supposed sins of racism.
Well, they don't even mind punishing their own children and helping facilitate and go about creating a world that will absolutely hate and seek to destroy their own children.
You know, we were talking a moment ago that the fundraising incentive for our third quarter drive is this double-featured DVD featuring remarks delivered by both you and Sam Dixon.
I can remember something Sam Dixon said on this program maybe back in 2005, 2006, and I've never forgotten that he was quoting a Greek maxim that said, all things in moderation, nothing in excess.
So that means, of course, even something that's virtuous, like being kind and charitable and philanthropic when taken to an illogical extreme, it can become harmful.
And that's what we've got here.
These are very nice people.
And they want to do the right thing, but they're willing to throw common sense out the window and punish people like themselves for, you know, because of what they hear in the media and what they establish as this moral community.
I mean, that's really the base of white society, the moral society is these moral communities.
We don't operate on the basis of kinship anywhere near like other people.
That's what individualism is all about.
But, you know, so our social glue are these moral communities.
And if you get outside it, anything goes.
You know, if you look at even the old Icelandic communities, if you, you know, if you commit a serious transgression, you are going to die.
They're not going to let you back in.
They will execute you or they will simply not let you back in to the group.
And so it's an evolutionary dead end.
And so it's a very, very serious thing.
And it's pervasive in our culture and no other culture, by the way.
Well, I actually want to pick up with you on that, by the way, already, just one segment in.
Another fascinating and absolutely riveting discussion with Kevin McDonald.
I've got some, what I think are some very good questions for him and questions worthy of someone of his intellect and talent and ability.
We will get to them, but I want to pick up right after these words, right where we're leaving off.
Why have whites been so susceptible to this condition in ways that other races have not been?
We'll get his answer on that, and then we'll keep on trucking.
The great Dr. Kevin McDonald, a national treasure he is.
It's back right after this.
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The Biden administration wants Congress to approve an arms deal that is worth more than $1 billion to Taiwan.
It's due to increased tensions with China over the island nation's status.
The State Department has signed off on three separate proposed deals on Friday.
If approved by Congress, the deals will send contractor logistics support for Taiwan's surveillance radar program, plus missiles, along with related equipment.
A spokesperson for the State Department says the U.S. being able to provide defense weapons to Taiwan quickly is essential to the island's security.
The Russian-controlled Zaporizhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine has been disconnected to its last external power line.
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Back with Kevin McDonald.
I was listening to the news break there just a moment ago.
That's another topic of conversation we'll probably have.
We don't have time to have it tonight, but next week, this whole thing with NASA, I mean, we should have been colonizing the stars by now.
The height of the American space program came with Warner von Braun.
And I mean, after we substituted the pursuit of excellence for the pursuit of equality, it's just been all downhill.
And it's just a joke now.
But anyway, back to the topic at hand with the esteemed Dr. McDonald.
You know, Kevin, it was going very well for whites for a very long time up until the early part of the 20th century, certainly in the 19th century, whites pretty much dominated the globe.
And then all of the sudden, around the middle of the last century, we started running in pace and running on a treadmill and in fact going backwards.
So I know that this condition we're talking about, this mental illness, this pathological altruism, the psychology of white self-hatred, it had not been afflicting us up until the last couple, three generations.
But the question still remains, why have whites been susceptible to this condition in ways that other races have not been?
And why did it manifest itself when it did and not earlier?
Well, it's certainly a cultural phenomenon.
As you say, this is not something that has characterized white people forever.
When I was growing up, I have to say I was quite proud of being white.
I wasn't really conscious of it up in Wisconsin there, but I certainly was.
And I don't think it really was, you know, it's been accelerating lately.
Probably beginning the Obama administration really taking off.
But it's been going on a long time, a lot longer than that.
So we have to have a cultural explanation.
But at the same time, we have to think of why white people.
We are unique.
And my view, I wrote a book, Individualism in the Western Liberal Tradition, that it's really about individualism.
As I said before, individualism is unique among all the peoples of the world.
Other people are far more involved in kinship relationships and that sort of thing.
White people are much more individualistic, and our moral sense is within a group.
But, you know, we have these moral communities.
And, you know, this evolved in the far north of Europe, especially in the far north of Europe.
And the idea was that there were very small groups, family groups.
They didn't have a lot of, they didn't have extended kinship groups like you see in the Middle East where everybody sort of knows their place in the big kinship picture and people marry their cousins and all that.
In Northern Europe, people married on the basis of personal attraction.
What's your personality?
What's your intelligence?
Are you a good person?
Can I live with you?
That kind of thing is going to be, those kinds of things are going to be important for Mary's choice.
So it's a very different ballgame.
And in my book, I really emphasize family structure.
We are prototypical family structures, nuclear family, mom, dad, and the kids, separated from the wider kinship group.
So it's very different.
But part of that, you know, again, the emphasis on moral communities.
And the idea is that individualism is associated with low ethnocentrism.
So we are the least ethnocentric people in the world.
And we're paying for that now, I guess.
It's not working out now.
Why is it not working out?
Because what's happened is that the culture has been taken over by people who hate us, frankly.
And, you know, that's my whole writing on Jewish activism.
So what we see, you know, beginning, really, the gradual taking over of almost all the media.
Beginning in the 1920s and 30s, Hollywood studios were completely Jewish, still are.
Whatever the ownership is, the people running Hollywood are still Jewish.
And so the messages coming out of Hollywood are things that Jews approve of or not, at least do not radically disapprove of.
But it went down when I was growing up.
We had three TV networks.
All of them were owned by Jews.
The big newspapers, New York Times, was Jewish.
In those days, the Washington Post was owned by a Jew.
And so the media was taken over.
And so what happens is that humans are very different from animals.
We have some very evolved tendencies.
Ethnocentrism is one.
And, you know, fear and other emotions are sort of hardwired in us.
But humans, far more than any other animal, we have what we call top-down processing.
We get information from the environment.
It goes through the higher brain centers, the prefrontal cortex.
And then the prefrontal cortex has inhibitory connections to the lower part of the brain.
So you can inhibit these more primitive, fundamental, evolved emotions, like ethnocentrism.
And they've actually done studies of that, where you have people, you have experimental subjects, white people, white college students, and you tell them they have to make some choices about black people.
And it depends on how long it takes them to decide this.
And so when they first do it, they do it very quickly.
But then the experimenter tells them, on the basis of this, you're a racist.
You're kind of a racist.
Well, that sort of shames them.
Oh, God, horrible.
And so then they do it again.
And what happens is that the people doing this experiment slow way down and they are able to inhibit those responses.
And that's really what's happening here.
Is that you get these messages and we're getting them now 24-7, whether you turn on the television for the ads, whether you go to school, kindergarten all the way through to university, whether if you're working at a company that will do diversity seminars and bring in critical race theory and all about white privilege and all of that.
And the other aspect of individualism is that we are prone to guilt more than other cultures, way more than other cultures.
Some people, Peter Frost, who's a professor at Canadian University, he argues persuasively, as far as I can see, that guilt is unique among Europeans, among Western Europeans, that other cultures will operate on the basis of shame.
That is, they're concerned what other people think, that they're not going to look good in the community.
But guilt is internal.
You are guilty no matter if anyone's around.
You did it, and nobody saw you do it, but you still feel horrible about it.
You feel guilty.
That's interesting.
And we are very prone to that.
And I think that's really what the self-hatred comes in.
I mean, we're getting wall-to-wall propaganda.
And it's because of these media messages, it interacts with our evolved psychology.
That is the psychology of top-down processing, being able to inhibit our emotions.
I mean, humans are able to, you know, you have a situation where you have some kind of reward, you know, and you can say the experimenter says, well, if you wait 20 minutes, half hour, I'll give you twice as much.
And you do this with children.
Well, kids who can really delay that, you know, and what they call delay gratification, you know, that means they're inhibiting this impulse.
The impulse is to go for it right now.
And impulsivity is one of the big drawbacks in our culture.
And of course, black people are much higher in impulsivity than white people.
And what that means is, you know, you don't have any money.
You're going by past this liquor store and you say, I'm going in there and getting some money.
You know, and you don't think about the long term here, that you're going to be caught on camera.
The cops are going to come up, you know, and all this.
So you don't think about the future.
It's what they call time discounting.
You're not interested in something that's going to happen five years from now.
It doesn't even get on your radar.
But, you know, for a good middle-class person, you have to be thinking what's going to be happening five years, 10 years, 30 years down the line.
You get a mortgage for your house.
I'm thinking 30 generations from now, you know?
I mean, I think our past, our present, and our future.
I mean, that's what we're doing.
That's what you and I and our guests tonight and the people who listen to this program are doing.
But we have just seconds before the next break.
I want to ask you a quick question.
With regards to pathological altruism versus outright self-hatred.
So the elementary definition of self-hatred is the extreme criticism of oneself.
Self-hate can feel like a person following you around all day, every day, criticizing you and pointing out every flaw or shaming you for every mistake.
And this is what whites do to themselves.
Is absolute self-hatred an advanced form, an advanced stage of pathological altruism, or is it just a blurry line?
Well, I think it's far more normal than truly pathological altruism.
Well, it produces it, shall we say.
I mean, one of the things about white people is that we are willing to punish other white people, even at cost to ourselves.
And we see that over and over again.
It's a big theme in my book.
I mean, they talk about the Civil War, where people were willing to make huge sacrifices for a moral ideal.
And we're seeing that now with Ukraine.
I was just tweeting something today, you know, that Europe is going to go through this horrible winter.
Are they going to freeze?
Are they going to start?
And it's all Putin.
But it's, you know, I actually read this in the Telegraph, the British newspaper.
You know, it's good what we're doing because it's the moral thing to do.
But that's it.
That's it.
Kevin, the music just started.
We got you for one more segment.
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So I know, I know, I know, and I don't want to limit your answers because they've been so wonderful, but let's, if we can, five minutes, five questions, ten minutes, two minutes apiece.
Can we do that?
Let's give it a shot.
Here's what we got.
So let me ask you this.
With regards to pathological altruism, is that a condition that is heritable?
Many diseases and pathologies are.
There's always a discussion of nature versus nurture.
But is this an inherent weakness that can be transmitted from parents?
And we just talked in the last segment.
This is something that didn't manifest itself until the last 50, 75 years.
But is this something that is heritable, do you think?
Yeah, I mean, as I mentioned before, I mean, this really has not occurred in the vacuum.
It's because of our cultural context.
But yes, it would be heritable.
Pretty much every trait that psychologists have ever studied is heritable to some extent.
And for example, pathological altruism is linked to the personality system of nurture and love.
Where in the high end, you're really prone to being nurturant and loving.
On the low end, you're prone to being a sociopath, and you don't have any guilt or anything.
But at the high end, you are prone to guilt.
And as I said, you're a nice person.
You're a very loving person.
You're dependent on other people.
But, you know, it can get too much.
And again, even apart from self-hating whites, we do see pathological altruism.
It's in the clinical literature that there are people who harm themselves by helping others way too much for their own self-interest.
And so, yeah, it's heritable for sure.
Interesting.
Interesting.
So I wonder what inoculated people like us from having this condition.
Well, you know, that actually leads into my next question, keeping these tight questions and answers.
If scientific investigation was still a serious discipline, what research or studies would you like to see commissioned?
Just related to, you know, why aren't you and I that way?
Well, I think, in my case, and I think both of us, right, we're prone to these things, but when I say heritable, I don't mean like it's a sure thing.
You know, most of these traits are heritable.
The heritability coefficient is like 0.5 at most.
And that means only half the variation is genetic, half the variation is environmental.
So there's plenty of room for environmental input.
And you could take, I mean, I wonder what I'd be like now if I started out in kindergarten the way it is now.
I just wonder.
Oh, me too.
Sure.
Well, you know, this is the thing.
This is the thing.
I tell this story.
I went to a private Christian school, and in our elementary years, we would pledge allegiance to the flag, and then we would sing Dixie.
That would never happen at any school now, including the Christian, the all-white Christian schools.
And so, yes, I mean, if I had come up in this day and age without parents who love me enough to tell me the truth, I mean, nature and nurture, again, who knows?
And I don't want to find out.
Yeah, and it's very hard.
I mean, I know when I was at CLT University and I'm getting harassed and I was getting all these hateful email messages from other faculty members in the university, you know, it was hard for me.
I mean, I felt guilty.
I felt terrible.
You know, people call me anti-Semite or a racist or something like that.
And you just want to go into a corner or something and, you know, not socialize with anyone.
Of course, they wouldn't socialize with me anyway.
But the point is that, you know, it's hard for someone like me anyway to do this.
And I don't think that's true of everyone.
I think some people are pretty immune to that.
The person who comes to almost comes to mind when I think about this is Phil Rushton, who did all the research on black, white IQ differences and everything.
It didn't bother him.
You could scream at him, racist, whatever.
It didn't do anything.
I would say certainly it has to affect everyone to some extent to varying degrees.
I mean, some people spoil for a plan a little more than others.
But I don't think anybody could say, you know what, I enjoy this, but it does help when you have a community and we have a community and you're part of the community, of course, Kevin, of peers who have these beliefs.
And all of that helps.
All of that helps indeed.
But I would, but this is fascinating.
So you were talking just a second ago about how half of it may be heritable, half of it may be due to environment.
So that leads me into this next question.
Are self-hating whites redeemable?
And I draw a line of distinction between whites who go along to get along.
They parrot the narrative because they haven't really given it much thought.
They're concerned with looking out for number one, putting food on the table.
They don't immerse themselves in politics or culture or discussions or anything like that.
That's a different thing.
And I think those people will always just go along with the prevailing trends.
So when our hands are on the livers of power, they'll fall right back in line to our way of thinking.
There's a difference between people like that versus those who take to the streets and unify with the other to advance their own and our own destruction.
So those are the people I'm talking about.
White antifa, whites who go out and march with Black Lives Matter terrorists.
Are they redeemable?
And would you want these mentally flawed individuals in a hypothetical ethno-state?
Well, it's interesting.
I think, you know, Ed Dutton, an evolutionary psychologist, I don't know if you've had him on, but he's a very smart guy.
And he's got this theory about mutant, spiteful mutants.
That is, because of all the medical advances, young children don't die from heritable diseases as you used to.
And so these bad mutations accumulate.
And if you look at these antifa, I mean, they got their purple hair and they're out of shape and they look terrible.
And, you know, they're mutants.
And a lot of them, I think, have this hatred towards normal people in normal society that they've been excluded from for one reason or another.
They're the kind of person who couldn't get a date or couldn't make it as a heterosexual.
And so they become trans.
And you see these, I mean, there's a very high percentage relative to the population as a whole of transsexual people, transgender people.
So there's something wrong with a lot of these people that I think is independent of all that.
But our problem is basically, I told you that basically this revolution has been accomplished as a top-down kind of thing from control of the media and the educational system.
Well, that's what we don't have.
And if we had that, you know, imagine Jared Taylor or you reading the evening news on a big major network.
I think the world would change pretty fast because these are messages that people would naturally react with.
And they wouldn't feel, oh, you know, I'm an evil person for believing this.
Because after all, it's coming from CBS evening news or something.
That's right.
I mean, that's the thing.
And you talk about it, I agree.
There's a lot of white people who the sort of politician types and all they're trying to do is get reelected and they don't really care about anything else.
Or they're just trying to live a life and go on vacation and have fun in various ways.
And so they just score to conform and they don't want to rock the boat because there are all these costs.
I mean, and they're raising the costs all the time.
You get online and you can lose your job.
You lose your friends.
You lose your family.
And it's very, very hard.
So, yeah, I mean, all the incentives, just pure incentives on the side opposed to us.
And that's what happens when you grab the culture from the top and, you know, you mold it.
And that's why they were so afraid of Trump, because as a president, you have a sort of bully par pulpit.
You can talk, you can make policies, and you can, you know, really change things.
But, you know, we're in trouble.
In some ways, and in some ways, we're better off than we were five years ago.
We've talked about the different trends.
We'll talk more about this with Ramsey Paul in the next hour.
But, I mean, you know, Trump gave, this is what you're talking about, though.
Trump gave people safe cover to share these things amongst their company with regards to being called a white supremacist and a Nazi and a racist or whatever they call him or whatever they call us.
Trump sort of absorbed that.
And hey, if they're going to call the sitting president of the United States that, then he's just saying things that we agree with.
And people need the safe cover.
Everybody needs to be led.
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Kevin, we got a minute left, and I'm going to ask you this question if we can squeeze it in.
And this has been another wonderful interview with you, and I appreciate it, and I can't wait for the next one already.
But you were a scholar who was interested in pursuing truth.
Science used to be considered a search for truth.
The data and the findings were to supersede beliefs and narratives that ran contrary to the facts.
One minute remaining, what has science become now?
Oh, gosh.
You know, I would hate to be a young professor in the social sciences now because, you know, you cannot publish anything that goes against the sort of narrative now.
You know, try to get a grant that would study black, white, IQ differences.
It'll never happen.
And if you got it, if you did that research, say you got funding or whatever, it would never get published in any kind of reputable journal.
And so it's gone really bad.
And, you know, it's very sad to see these professors, you know, which is in a profession that sort of prided itself on, you know, going against the grain.
That's right.
Well, I tell you what, I'll tell you this only because we're running out of time and not to cut you off.
But thank you for setting an example for others to follow.
A man who pursued truth no matter what they threw at him, a man who serves as an example for all of us and a man upon whose shoulders we stand.
Kevin, I really appreciate and respect the hell out of your brother.
And thanks for coming back with us tonight.
We'll talk to you again very soon.
Ramsey Paul's on deck and he's up next as this show continues.