Dec. 11, 2021 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to tonight's live broadcast of TPC.
I'm your host, James Edwards.
This Saturday evening, December the 11th, and we've got a fantastic show for you and one of the most fascinating guests we've ever featured.
And this is, again, going back 17 years now, making his second appearance on the program tonight after debuting with us last year, not too long ago, back in September of 2020.
But it's the one and only David Cole.
David is a documentary filmmaker, a journalist, an author of a best-selling book, Republican Party Animal.
He's appeared on, well, I'll tell you in just a second, but let me tell you, his weekly column can be read at Taki's Magazine.
It's always must-read content.
And again, it's going to be an in-depth discussion about his fascinating life and career tonight.
The one and only David Cole back with us live right now.
David, how are you?
It's great to be back, my friend.
Thank you for having me on again.
Well, you're very welcome.
And I was so riveted by your first appearance that when we were talking about what we would talk about tonight, I said, well, why don't we just kind of go through it again, a little bit similarly to what we did the first time, and then we'll depart a little bit later on this hour.
But you're in your early 20s at the time, a man in his 20s, and you're receiving interview requests and getting coverage on shows like 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, the Phil Donahue Show, quite famously.
Why was that?
Well, you know, funny thing is, James, a lot of people don't believe me when I tell them this, but this is 100% true.
In 53 years of life, and so that would be, you know, 30-something years of adult life, I've never once solicited an interview.
All that stuff I did in the early 90s, they came after me.
I mean, they came wanting to talk to me, and it was mainly because it was a brief period that I don't think we'll ever see again, but it was a brief period from roughly, I'd say, about 1988 through 1994.
1994 is definitely when it ended.
But it was a period when there was a legitimate interest in revisionist historical views of what happened to the Jews in World War II.
There were books that were somewhat mainstream, and there were historians who were somewhat mainstream who were talking about this.
And me being a young guy, I had no reputation to destroy in 1990, so I had nothing to guard.
So I kind of launched into this field and did a lot of research in Europe, in Poland, and in Germany and in Austria, and came up with what I thought at the time, and still do, with some very interesting information that Was not in any way Holocaust, what they call now Holocaust denial.
They didn't have that term 32 years ago.
That term came up somewhere around 94, 95.
But what I did back then was not bad at all.
It was mainly a matter of taking advantage of the dissolution of the old Soviet Union and the freedom to travel and the freedom to research and looking at some of the evidence to see if everything that we thought we knew about the Holocaust, everything that we thought we knew about everything that had happened to the Jews during World War II, if it was accurate or if perhaps some of it was not accurate.
And because the media was actually interested in that topic at that time, shows like Phil Donahue, 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, The Montel Williams Show, Jerry Springer.
Although I will add that Jerry Springer, and some of your listeners may remember him, some of them may not, but Jerry Springer was the worst of the worst.
He was the guy who kind of single-handedly took daytime talk show TV away from being news-oriented and made it more about UFOs kidnapping lesbians and things like that.
And Jerry Springer had invited me in 93, either late 92 or early 93, I can't remember.
He had invited me on the show.
They were taping in Chicago.
And I was canceled at the last minute.
They gave me no reason as to why, but they canceled me.
And I don't know, maybe two or three years later, Jerry Springer was giving an interview where the interview I asked him, I said, have you ever canceled a guest?
Has a guest ever been so repulsive to you, so horrific, that you were like, I just can't have this person on the show.
And Springer said, yes, two times in my years on the air, I have canceled a guest.
One was this horrible Holocaust revisionist guy, and the other was a necrophiliac.
So that's the company that I'm in there.
At least the first one.
Yeah, I was considered as bad as a necrophiliac.
But I will tell you, James, that was the kind of thing that I don't want to say it helped me, but people who knew me and knew my work, when they would hear that kind of defamation, that kind of over-the-top libel or slander, where somebody would say, oh, David Cole, he's as bad as a necrophiliac.
Why?
Well, he asks some questions about history.
It would actually reflect better on me than on the people making the defamation, uttering the defamation, because when the defamation gets to be that over the top, I might have brought this up on the show I did with you last year, but the Detroit Jewish News, which at that time, in 1994, was the biggest circulation Jewish weekly in the United States, and the Detroit Jewish News had a headline,
I think in January or February, 94, and the headline was, Hitler, Hussein, Arafat, and Cole.
And again, you go, you get that over the top.
I mean, I was just a 23 or 24-year-old Jewish kid living in an apartment in the Mar Vista area of Los Angeles, and you're comparing me to Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Yasser Arafat, guys who have commanded armies and guys who have killed people, and I'm literally just sitting there getting KFC On their dollar menu for my lunch, and there I am with a headline comparing me to those guys.
Well, if you, if you well, if I could interject very quickly, David, just to bring people up to speed in case they're having a hard time following, which they shouldn't, and they should be already familiar with your work.
But what we're talking about here is David Cole, who at the time, and in this period of time in the 90s, is in his early to mid-20s, and he's going out and he's doing this research and the study of these taboo topics, and he comes up with findings.
And at a time when there was a little bit more freedom in the press than we certainly enjoy now, he was getting all of these major interviews, but certainly major attacks as well.
And I actually had that pulled up: this headline comparing you to Hitler Hussein and Arafat, and also one of the former associate directors of the Simon Wiesenthal Center wrote, I can't think of any other Jew who has gone so far in aiding and abetting the enemies of the Jewish people, end quote.
Well, that particular gentleman is our guest right now, David Cole.
And if you think what we've covered so far is interesting, and it is, wait till you hear the rest of this hour.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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Well, that's one from one of David Cole's neighbors, the Beach Boys, David Cole, live with us this evening from Los Angeles, California.
And again, folks, this is a guy we could go two hours, really the whole show with.
And I'm trying to move it along as speedily as I can because we want to cover each act, if you will, of David's life.
We're about to move into act two.
But first, David, I want to just give you the opportunity to wrap up anything you'd like to share with the audience about this era of your life and times and career.
We talked about your work as a revisionist historian, as a documentary filmmaker, which you did, of course, make a film that covered some of your findings as you explored Europe and some of these purported camps.
And not only did it make you a very hot commodity, even if you were cast as the villain, you received worldwide media coverage, but you also received worldwide attack.
And that includes a very bona fide death threat.
And I'm not talking about an email from somebody saying they're going to come get you, but something that was actually covered in the press, something that was not just hearsay.
And that was a threat that I believe was issued by the Jewish Defense League, in which it implied that, quote, it was prepared to take immediate, possibly violent action in order to get rid of coal.
Yeah, and that was that happened in 97, the Jewish Defense League, which no longer exists, thankfully.
Its two leaders are long dead, and they never reformed because there was a lawsuit between one of the widows, one of the leaders, and people who wanted to take over the name.
But the bottom line is the Jewish Defense League 1997 put out a $25,000 bounty on me.
And at that point, I'm still, at that point, I'm still a young enough man, still in my 20s, that I decided it was really not worth it to get killed over this stuff because the Jewish Defense League had a history of killing people.
This is not like what you get today when people say, I'm getting death threats on Twitter or YouTube.
You know, you get death threats on Twitter or YouTube for doing anything.
You can put a video of a puppy breaking wind on YouTube and somebody will say, I hope you die.
That's just par for the course and it's meaningless blather.
But the Jewish Defense League actually was an FBI-recognized terrorist organization in the 1970s and 80s, and they had killed people.
So when that $25,000 bounty was put on my head, and I knew that I had people in my life who'd want to collect that, which is a sad thing to say and not a great reflection on my choice in friends.
But I decided at that point that I was simply going to drop out.
I became David Stein.
I plucked that name right out of thin air.
One of the few instances of a Jew choosing a more Jewish name from trading in a less Jewish one from more Jewish name.
think that Stein's my birth name.
No, I'm David Cole, David Cole from birth.
That is my birth certificate.
I chose Stein because I wanted a Jewish name, but one that young women could pronounce because being a young man, I was Randy in those days.
I didn't want to come up with a name like Wertiszitzki or something like that, where they'd be like, how do you spell that?
Like Stein, real simple.
So I became David Stein, and I started doing legitimate Holocaust work and documentaries, just making a living and keeping my head down.
Except that's not where the story ends as you sort of went underground in a way to protect yourself.
You didn't resurface like Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad, where he comes back working at a Cinnabon in a mall.
You have another entirely different round of fame.
No, you come back and get involved as a mainstream conservative columnist and pundit, and you're getting cited and interviewed all over the place.
You become a very hot commodity in conservative politics.
And with you being based in the West Coast, in California, in Los Angeles, you become ingratiated with the right-wing, so-called, of Hollywood and become a Hollywood partygoer with some A-list celebrities.
Yeah, what I found, James, is that that whole keeping your head down thing is not in my DNA.
I was able to do that for a couple of years.
I was actually able to just stay out of the spotlight and not do anything that mattered to anyone for a couple of years.
And then when Obama was nominated to run for president, I started to get more and more involved in the political scene out here in LA on the conservative side.
And before you know it, I'm helping to run the organization Friends of Abe, which was the organization of Hollywood conservatives and Republicans founded by Gary Sinise and Clint Eastwood and John Voigt, a bunch of other similar people.
And all of a sudden, I'm helping to run this thing.
And there was a point where I said, my gosh, wasn't I supposed to be keeping my head down?
Especially considering that I have one of the most recognizable, irritating voices known to man.
So it's not exactly like I can blend in like a lot of other people.
I'm fairly unique looking.
I have a unique voice and a unique manner of speaking.
So the period of trying to stay out of the limelight did not last very long.
And as you said, before I knew it, I'm being published in Breitbart and Front Page Mac and The Blaze and Fox News website and all those things.
And completely unbeknownst to any of them that you were the notorious David Cole just a few years earlier.
Yeah, and the thing that makes that very funny, James, is that at that time, now we're going back now to 2007, 2008, 2009, at that time YouTube was not censoring videos like they do now.
So at that time, all of those videos that I did in the early 90s, I don't own them anymore, but people were putting them on YouTube, and there was probably about 100 million views of my old videos.
So I was very much, I was being very cavalier with my new identity because at the same time I'm doing all these things as David Stein on YouTube, the only thing preventing people from seeing my old work was that they didn't know the Cole name.
But if they had, they could have gone back and seen everything.
Well, that's interesting because here you are with, again, you just listed three of the names, but you're in the inner circle of conservative Hollywood to the extent that Hollywood can be conservative.
But there are some that are more right-of-center than others, to be sure.
And you're right there in the middle of it, organizing, networking with these people and having parties and shindigs and get togethers.
And again, totally oblivious to the fact that you.
Yeah.
Yeah, let me tell you, Jim, there are more than you'd think because one of the most important terms that's used in Hollywood, above the line versus below-the-line.
Above-the-line credits, those are the people whose names are on the opening credits, the stars, the director, the producers.
Below-the-line credits are all the people who are in the end credits, the special effects guys, the stunt men, the drivers, the gaffers, the grips, the blue-collar guys.
The below-the-line people, the blue-collar guys, there's tons of conservative below-the line guys.
At one point, at our height, Friends of Abe had about 2,800 members.
Now, for an industry-only organization, that's a lot.
That's quite a bit for something that is just based on one particular locality in one particular industry.
So, we had some amazingly big events.
We got speakers from Dick Cheney to John Boehner.
John Boehner came out to thank us about two weeks after he claimed the speakership.
We were a big deal at that time, but this was before the days of Trump.
And I don't think that glory of Rome could ever be recaptured because there was a detente at that time between the neocons and all the other factions, and that just doesn't exist at the moment.
Again, ladies and gentlemen, absolutely engrossing.
So, you've already heard now at least a snapshot of two incredible parts of this man's life that would be enough to fill the life of any normal person.
But he's not done yet, and he's working on more projects.
We're going to get to that, but we're going to say a little bit more about his Republican Party animal days when we come back to it.
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Great to have David Cole back with us.
We're going to get all of his contact information where you can follow him, read his columns, support his work before the end of this hour.
Great to have him back at any time, but especially at this most festive time of year.
And I mean, what a guy.
So again, young man goes and asks historically oriented questions that you're not supposed to ask and comes to his own conclusions and receives worldwide recognition for that, even if it was mostly negative.
I mean, my God, I can relate to that.
But then, as a result of death threats, he reinvents himself as David Stein.
But because he has talent as a writer and as a commentator, he quickly gets picked up by some of the leading conservative institutions in the country.
And because he's based out in the Los Angeles area, he gets quickly ingratiated in the Hollywood conservative spectrum.
This is The Guardian writing here.
And I quote, David Stein, this is the name he chose, brought right-wing congressmen, celebrities, writers, and entertainment industry figures together for Shindig's close to outsiders, where they could scorn liberals and proclaim their true beliefs.
Over the course of five years, Stein's organization, Republican Party Animals, drew hundreds to regular events in and around Los Angeles, making him a darling of conservative blogs and talk shows.
So you hit gold lightning struck twice in your life, David.
But again, as we mentioned in the previous segment, they did not know you as David Cole and did not know your history.
And then the day came when the jig was up.
Yeah, well, I'm a sentimental man, and when I am, when I have been in a relationship with a young lady, I don't like to keep secrets, and I like to be very upfront and very honest.
So the young lady I had been with for five years, she knew all about my past, my history.
I probably should have been a lot more cagey about that stuff.
But I don't like dishonesty in a relationship, so she knew everything.
And of course, once you do that, James, once somebody in your life who you may one day break up with knows your big secret, well, you just, you know, you've lit a fuse on a ticking bomb.
Although, I think I've mixed my metaphors there.
A ticking bomb would not actually have a fuse, would it?
But either way, you have either set off a bomb or lit a fuse or something.
Because when we broke up, she went right to the papers.
And I was very fortunate that The Guardian caught the story first because it was really a very fair piece.
And the journalist who wrote it and I would end up becoming friends.
But once that happened, I was canceled before people were using the term canceled.
I was canceled from the GOP in April 2013, and nobody was using the term back then.
So I was canceled before there was even a word for it.
But man, was I canceled.
I lost every writing gig and every speaking gig and friends of Abe and Gary Sinise and all those guys sent me a cease and desist notice.
Do not come to our events.
Do not ever again represent yourself as being part of us.
And it looked very bleak at that point because I was older at this point.
And you start to doubt your ability to come back.
I mean, this was my second life that was now ended.
So basically, I've been through two lives, and now I'm thinking to myself, do I have it in me?
Does anyone have it in them to come up with a third one?
So it was very bleak, and it also coincided with the time that my mother got very ill and passed after an illness of about a year and a half.
So it was a very bleak time.
And during it all, though, I tried to maintain the confidence that I could have at least maybe one more life in me.
Well, and we'll get to that.
And you certainly did.
And then some.
But let me ask you this.
And I didn't ask this of you the last time.
But to me, if I could hang my hat on one virtue that I'd like to be known for, it's loyalty and loyalty to a friend.
If someone proves themselves to me personally, I'll go all out for them.
Did you feel a sense of betrayal that these people that you knew, these people who knew you, weren't willing to walk through a little fire and media condemnation to stand with somebody who they had known quite well over a period of several years?
There were a few people who stood by me, hell or high water, and they will always be my friends, and they will always be dear to my heart.
But I also tried to be empathetic to the people who were all of a sudden stuck in a very difficult position where they've been working with me for five, six years, and then the Guardian comes out with all this information.
I didn't want to add any burden or any pain to people who I felt were struggling with something that they had nothing to do with.
They were put into a situation.
I always, my first sympathy is always to the person who is not doing anything and just has something done to them.
Like, that's why in terms of criminal justice politics, my sympathy is with the crime victim and not with the criminal.
I don't care what you say that the criminal had a bad childhood or that the criminal was on drugs.
The old lady walking to the market who's not doing anything to anybody will always get my sympathy.
So the fact that some of the people I had been working with for so long, they had no blame in this.
All of a sudden they just wake up and they're in the newspapers is me and they're being tarred with association to me.
So I was very sympathetic to them and I gave them time.
And frankly, James, almost all of them have come back.
It took about a year or two.
But by now, the number of people, even though friends of Abe, as a group doesn't exist anymore.
It hasn't existed since 2016.
The people who were my friends in that period, 90% of them are my friends again.
And there's just a hardcore, the hardcore 10%, though, that will hate me to the grave.
And they will still do everything they can to try to get me pulled from social media or similar things.
But the majority of people, I just needed to give them a little time, and I was willing to do it because I understood that this was not a situation of their making.
And, you know, that's quite remarkable of you.
I'll say that.
And I, again, I give it.
I don't always expect it back.
It's easier to give than to receive when it comes to loyalty that will cost somebody something.
But it's good to know that in the end, this has a somewhat happy ending.
And folks, if you want to read about this time in David Cole's life, he wrote a book about it.
It was a bestseller.
Republican Party Animal, the Bad Boy of Holocaust history, blows the lid off Hollywood's secret right-wing underground.
And it's hard to find.
It's out of publication.
We'll see if it comes back one day.
But if you can get one on the black market, please do.
And if you do, let me know.
I called Mark Weber one time, and he said he had it, but he said, I can't give it to you.
Anyway.
Let me interrupt just briefly to say not only is it out of print, but when I was on your show last year, it was out of print.
It's worse now.
Earlier this year, it was banned from Amazon.
The sitcom actress Deborah Messing, a very left-wing Hollywood celebrity who I've never met.
And she never met me.
She's never read the book, but she wanted a one-woman Twitter crusade with her 800,000 followers to get the book banned from Amazon.
So not only is it out of print, but you can't even sell a used copy on Amazon.
Just about the only place you can find it now is occasionally people will put it on eBay.
And so far it has not been pulled from eBay.
But my God, the copies are like $300 a copy.
You know, this was a $20, $29 book.
Well, there's got to be something in there they don't want you to read, ladies and gentlemen.
Think of it that way.
Well, we're waiting for the next one.
Maybe you can write another edition or an updated edition.
We'll wait with bated breath.
But anyway.
Hey, David, I'm coming up on another break.
Okay, sure.
Just quickly, I just want to add that Ann Coulter has been on Twitter.
She has been tweeting like crazy to get people to support getting another edition of my book out because Ann's one of my best friends.
And it's just great that she's really pushing that.
So there may be another version of the book out, another edition.
Well, when that happens, you'll be back here with us, I hope.
And I hope you'll be back with us before then as well.
But let me tell you, we're coming up on a break, and we're going to shift gears to, I think, what will be a familiar topic to you in this fourth and final segment that we have this hour.
But before the music starts to play, give us your contact information.
Obviously, you're with TalkieMag.
You've got a weekly column there that's must-read every week.
Where can people find and learn more about you?
Yeah, TalkieMag.com and also Twitter, David Colestein.
So hashtag or Twitter handle, David Colestein.
My DMs are always open.
I like hearing from people.
So you can direct message me, and then that's fine.
If you insult me, I may or may not respond.
But I don't think any of your listeners would do that, James.
So Twitter at David Colestein, and feel free to DM me, and I'm always happy to answer questions or help out with any information people need.
And if that's too hard for you to commit to memory, ladies and gentlemen, just go to the top of our Twitter feed at James Edwards TPC.
There at the very top is tonight's promo featuring, of course, our conversation with David Cole that we're having right now.
So you can link over to him from there on Twitter and then at TalkieMag.
Always great stuff there.
So when we come back, we're going to roll the clock back now to the year of 2004.
Mel Gibson is beginning to promote his movie, The Passion of the Christ, which was just a runaway blockbuster hit.
I mean, of unprecedented success.
And David Cole decides to inquire about the availability of Mel's father, Hutton Gibson, who is no stranger to listeners of this audience.
He's made a string of appearances on this program that received quite a bit of publicity in their own right.
And we're going to find out how that went and what's going on.
That is still a project that is in the works, if you can believe it, after all these years.
And there's good reason for that.
And David Cole himself will tell you all about it in three minutes.
So stay tuned.
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The solution to so many of our problems at all times and in all places is to fall in love, get married, and have some kids.
If the COVID-19 shot is safe and effective, then why are 20% of healthcare workers refusing to get it?
If the COVID-19 injection is safe and effective, then why is big tech silencing anyone who opposes it?
If the COVID injection is safe and effective, then why is our federal government's reporting system recording over 14,000 deaths from the vaccine and an additional 650,000 plus serious adverse reactions?
If the COVID shot is safe and effective, then why did Dr. Gert von den Bosch, recognized as one of the world's chief vaccine experts, risk his entire career and his reputation to plead with the medical community to immediately halt all COVID-19 vaccinations, calling mass COVID vaccinations an uncontrollable monster?
Doesn't sound very safe and effective.
Maybe it's time to call a spade a spade.
At no time in history have the people forcing others into compliance been the good guys.
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All right, everybody.
Welcome back.
One more segment with David Cole in an hour that is going by far too quickly.
And we teased it right before the last break.
And we'll take you back to that time in February of 2004.
And I'm reading from David's own writing right here.
Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ was opening worldwide.
And the media, always hungry for a scandal, zeroed in on Mel's father, Hutton.
Hutton Gibson was vilified by the press as a racist, a bigot, an anti-Semite, and a Holocaust denier.
He was condemned by the so-called journalist who had never met or interviewed him.
And Mel himself was attacked for not denouncing his father.
The media hysteria and vitriol led many people to ask the question, who is Hutton Gibson?
And that, David, was a question you wanted to answer.
Yeah, absolutely.
And in fact, I found out at that time from my friends at the Institute for Historical Review that Hutton Gibson was aware of my Holocaust work.
So I thought because I had been through my first cancellation, the one, the Holocaust one, that I would reach out to him to see if, just mainly just to correspond to chat.
And it turned out that he really wanted to put his thoughts into a documentary film.
He wanted to be interviewed.
He trusted me because he knew my work and he knew that even though religiously we were not always on the same page, but he trusted me to do a fair job and to reflect his views fairly and accurately.
So he invited me out at the time he was living in Tombaugh, Texas, near Houston.
And he invited me out there.
So I traveled to Houston with a cameraman and a couple of cameras.
We set up, we did a two-day shoot in his house.
And there were quite a few Gibsons who lived in that neighborhood.
So we had some wonderful dinners with the Gibson family is very large.
So there's never a shortage of Gibsons.
There's plenty of them wherever they are living.
They always like to be around each other.
And Hutton, he was the patriarch.
So it was wonderful watching the family having, just going about their daily lives and having dinner with them.
And it was really a wonderful experience.
Hutton was one of the most gracious, good-humored, and intelligent people I've ever interviewed.
He was just ceaselessly good-humored and smart.
And we talked, and he was in his 80s already.
Now, obviously, back then, we didn't know he'd lived to be about 103.
The man was amazing, and his mind was so sharp.
When he was about like 82 or 83, when I interviewed him, his mind was so incredibly sharp, and we covered every topic that he wanted to, from theology to politics to the relationship between men and women, and husband and wife, and the Holocaust, and pretty much everything.
I just let him talk.
There's really not a lot of me in the documentary because the documentary is not about me.
It's just me having him talk.
And so this was in 2004.
And then Hutton moved out to Southern California to live with Mel.
And that was when he asked me to not release the footage until after he passed.
And of course, that was his wish.
I was absolutely willing to grant it.
The project was never about me turning a quick profit on it.
It was about what he wanted, what Hutton Gibson wanted.
So when he asked me to not do anything until he passed away, I just kind of sat on it.
I just sort of put it in a closet.
And of course, God bless the man.
He lived a long time after.
Now that he has passed, I have been working on that film.
And we are at the point now where we have a distributor who is going to release it nationally.
However, the distributor wants to release it around the time that Mel's sequel to The Passion of the Christ comes out.
Mel has not set a date on that yet, which is why I can't give a date for the release of the documentary.
But it does make sense on a very logical film distribution level to release it around that time.
And people will say to me, well, my gosh, that might be, what, six, seven months from now, that might be how.
And I'm like, I shot the thing in 2004.
I've waited 18 years.
I can wait another six or seven months.
Sometimes the key to making a good documentary is patience.
And I've certainly had more than enough patience on this, so I can have a little bit more.
And I think people are going to love what they see.
And just a week ago, James, there was that article in The Atlantic from an actor.
Yeah, Joshua Molina, who was like, we should cancel Mel.
Why is Mel not canceled?
Why is this man not banished?
This is why Hutton's interview is so important, because Hutton talks about Mel quite a bit.
He talks about Mel growing up.
He talks about the family and their beliefs.
This is a very humanizing thing.
When this guy, who's obviously never met Mel, goes to the Atlantic and talks about, we need to cancel him, ruin him, destroy him.
The antidote to that, because obviously we can't all, not everybody can, I mean, nobody can meet Hutton anymore because he's passed and nobody, you know, you can't just go and meet Mel and have lunch with him.
This interview with Hutton Gibson shows the human side of the Gibson family and their beliefs.
And it's a great antidote to the hatred that comes from people like this guy in The Atlantic, who is just talking about Mel as if he's like the new Hitler.
And you have to realize it's a human being.
And Hutton so eloquently expresses that in the interview that I did with him.
And I think, and I'm hoping that that's, because the hatred now, you know, from this Atlantic guy, is nothing compared to the hatred that is going to ramp up when the sequel to The Passion is about to come out.
That's when you're going to see the ADL, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and New York Times and all the usual suspects are going to be piling on.
And that's why our distributor wants to hit the marketplace at that point so that the film is not cold by then.
If you release the film seven months later, almost every film has gone cold.
So they want to release it hot when that hatred is boiling over because it is, this interview with Hutton is the antidote to that hatred.
And it shows what the Gibson family and their beliefs are all about.
And it reminds you, these are human beings.
And Hutton is such, he's just such a great guy to listen to, just the way his anecdotes that he tells.
And you can see the intelligence, and he's a funny guy, and just charming.
And I think that's the thing that's going to come, even people who don't agree with him on half the things he says or he says or even more, they're going to come away saying, but it's a nice guy, this is smart guy, and a nice guy.
And so the attacks on the Gibson family are unwarranted.
And I'm hoping that's what people will come away with.
You know, as I mentioned, we got to know Hutton relatively well, I guess, relatively compared to your average man on the street.
And interestingly, we also were able to interview Lieutenant General Hal Moore back in the early 2000s on this program.
And of course, Mel played his character in the movie We Were Soldiers, which I actually just went and re-watched just this week.
And Hal Moore was from Alabama originally, I believe.
And you can see a scene at the end of the film where Madeline Stowe's coming down.
Mel Gibson's character is coming home from Vietnam, and Madeline Stowe's coming down the staircase.
You can see a portrait of Robert E. Lee in his home.
By all accounts, I say that to say this, by all accounts, and I don't know Mel.
I've never talked to Mel Gibson, but he seems to be a stand-up guy.
And the hatred that is thrust upon him because he made the movie about Jesus Christ and because of a couple of comments he said over the course of a full lifetime is really incredible.
And so the fact that you've got this, and of course, ladies and gentlemen, you received a letter in the mail if you're a regular contributor to this program.
An incredible offer David Cole has made available exclusively to TPC supporters over the course of the month of December.
And we thank you, David, for that.
But with a minute remaining, what would you say is the driving force of the hatred of Hutton and Mel Gibson by Hollywood and by the media at large?
They're people of faith.
They're men of faith, and they stick to their principles.
Hollywood is not big on faith unless your faith is some kind of woke 21st century BS.
But if you believe in God and you are a person of true faith and sincere faith, and you stick by your faith and it means something to you, you live it, it's a real thing to you, Hollywood is not going to treat you well.
And in Mel's case, everybody takes every opportunity they can to take a shot at the guy.
And primarily it always comes down to, we don't like what he believes.
And that's just one of those things where the intolerance of the left is in all corners of society, James.
Academia, just as much as Hollywood, big tech.
It's everywhere.
So, you know, it's par for the course.
You stand up for your faith.
You're going to get hit.
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And David, again, thank you for that.
Anything else you want to share with the audience before we send you back into that Los Angeles evening and wait for your next appearance with us?
Hey, all I'd like to say is Merry Christmas to you, James, and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to your listeners.
Well, thank you for that.
And Merry Christmas to you as well.
And we appreciate you.
And thank you for your work.
And we'll be staying in touch with you and hopefully working with you and certainly waiting for updates on the release of that film and anything we can do to help.
You know, we're always a phone call away.
And we look forward to it, David.
And thank you again.
And that said, ladies and gentlemen, Keith Alexander will be with us, my co-host and good friend, integral part, a pillar of this program, a foundational support.
We'll be with us for the next two hours.
And we're going to cover all the latest news.
And there's a lot in the news this week that has become of interest to us.
And we think we'll give it a treatment that'll be of interest to you.
So stay tuned for that.
Just James and Keith for the next two hours one-on-one with you covering the news.