Nov. 20, 2021 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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Welcome to tonight's live broadcast of TPC this Saturday evening, November the 20th, our last time together before Thanksgiving.
And we hope each and every one of you tonight will have safe travels and warm fellowship with friends and family in the coming week.
But first, we've got a powerhouse broadcast coming your way this evening.
Kyle Rittenhouse has been found not guilty and jury deliberation is underway in the Charlottesville trial.
Guest commentators Warren Bailaug and Ramsey Paul will be joining me to break down all the courtroom drama as these important cases rapidly draw to a close.
And to kick things off this evening, we will start, as we have been doing over the course of the last month, leading with Charlottesville and helping me break apart what's been going on there over the course of the last week is the aforementioned Warren Bailaw making his first appearance on this program, one that I hope will be followed by many others.
Warren, how are you?
I'm doing great, James, and it's an honor to finally be on here.
Yeah, I got to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, Warren and I knew each other through reputation only until, what was it, about a couple of months ago.
We were at an event that I had a hand in organizing, and we just hit it straight off, as you would expect.
And there was something that was just really interesting that Warren shared with me.
Warren, do you want to tell them the story that I'm talking about?
Yeah, we discovered that we were both cut our teeth politically in the Buchanan campaign of the summer of 2000, actually the whole year of 2000.
And you were also a delegate, as I was to the convention in Long Beach when Buchanan kind of wrested control of the Reform Party from what turned out to be the former like kind of the Perot faction holdovers.
But that was an amazing experience.
I wish it's funny, James, like, you know what I'm talking about, but nobody else knows about what a crazy thing that convention was.
But yeah, I was 18 years old, right out of high school.
And I was a delegate for, we had six delegates from the state of West Virginia.
And there had been a very contentious battle for control of the Reform Party because there was a lot of, there was about $12.5 million in federal matching funds that were at stake there that were left over from the previous Perot run.
And so there was an incredibly contentious battle to take who was going to be the nominee.
And the Perot faction ended up going with a man named John Hagelin.
And all the Pat Buchanan people all sort of marshaled their forces from around the country.
I went there with my father, and he has a long history.
He already 30 years in politics, but he'd sort of stepped away.
And he had been more in what you would call the radical right.
My father was active with William Pierce at the Alliance many years ago and the NSWPP before that.
And also with David Duke's campaign.
He was real active in 1988 when David Duke ran for president.
But I was, you know, I was born in 1982, so that was all before my adulthood.
And when I was a kid, my dad really was not that politically involved.
But in high school, I took an interest in politics as well.
And we talked a lot and we got into things together.
And when the Buchanan campaign came up, we were both just like, let's do what we can.
And we went to a convention in West Virginia when the Buchanan people, Pat was actually there.
I met him for the first time.
We didn't know he was going to be there.
And there was a battle for control of West Virginia.
And then I spent the whole summer.
I think you did too, doing ballot access petitioning, which, boy, what a lesson.
What a lesson.
That's a lesson in how democracy works in America that I will never forget.
And then it culminated with us being delegates for the Long Beach Convention.
So, yeah, it was just amazing to find out that you were there, that you were part of that.
And I think also we were, you organized the one in, there was one in Tennessee, wasn't there?
There was one in, I think, in Nashville.
Yeah, that's right.
It was the one in 2001 at the Nashville Renaissance that I had a hand.
I mean, the Tennessee Reform Party at that time was the host state delegate.
I was there as well.
We did it.
Yeah.
So this is just so interesting to me.
I mean, this is insider baseball, I guess, to people who weren't there and wouldn't remember the name John Hangland or the ballot access requirements and going out and getting.
But it's just amazing.
So I turned 20 years old in the summer of 2000.
I've told the story many, many times on the air.
But that year changed the trajectory of my life.
Getting involved in that campaign, it whetted my appetite for activism.
And I was looking for ways after all of that ended to continue to apply myself.
And it led into my own campaign and then, of course, into radio and the rest is history.
But it was just amazing having, again, known Warren through reputation, through his work.
And we're going to have him back on.
Now he is, believe it or not, on tonight to talk about Charlottesville.
And we're going to get to that after the break and stay there for the rest of the hour.
And we're going to have Warren back on to talk a little bit more about his personal life and his activism in a subsequent episode.
But yes, when we met, same age, both have beautiful wives, both cut our teeth with Pat Buchanan.
And then here we are now in something that transcends time and space 20 years later, two decades later, back and back in the same orbit and working together again.
And I'm really looking forward to it, Warren.
And, you know, Pat just turned 83 years old a couple of weeks ago.
So, you know, it's funny something to think about.
I'll tell you, I mean, there's a million funny stories that I could tell.
You would probably find more of them more interesting than your audience would, so we won't waste too much time.
But one that is interesting is when we went, I said to, I think it was 1999 in Flatwoods, West Virginia, which is the geographic center of West Virginia.
That's where there was going to be this state reform party convention to decide who the nominee was going to be.
And as I told you, we went and we found that Pat Buchanan himself was there.
But prior to when he walked in the room, there was a contentious battle for control of it, as I said.
And there was a man there, I can say his name, Jerry Heineman, who my dad had known when we walked in.
My dad said that's Jerry Heineman.
Well, apparently, my dad's first bit of activism that he did when he was 18 years old.
Actually, I'm sorry, he was like 16 years old.
He went, or 17, he went down to join a demonstration with the NSWPP, the National Socialist White People's Party.
This was during the real contentious battles of the 70s, the early 70s, like 72, 73.
And the very first demonstration he went on, there were members of the National States Rights Party there, and the man who answered the door was Jerry Heineman.
So all those years later, he meets Jerry again at the Reform Party in West Virginia.
So, you know, people tend to stay in this stuff for a long time.
I tell you what, and if time has passed, just stick with it long enough.
You'll meet everybody and come around.
It's just amazing to me.
Warren and I were in that convention together, never met each other at the time.
20 years later, we finally met and didn't know we were there together.
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Boy, wish I could have been there for that one.
But we are now shifting gears to the Charlottesville trial with Warren Baylock, who, like Trey Garrison last week and like some of the other commentators we have brought on, including Jason Kessler and Michael Hill over the course of the last month, everybody that we're having on to talk about Charlottesville has either been there or been in court or has listened to just about every minute of it.
And Warren has done that, as have I.
So let's go back to what's happened over the course of this week, Warren, if we can.
And again, folks, I just really wanted to share that story.
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My dad's actually texted me.
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Warren mentioned his father was there.
My father went with me as well.
And we were there and now we're here still fighting.
But this week, Warren, on November the 15th at 11.02 a.m., the 17th day of the trial, the plaintiffs rested their case.
After the lunchtime recess or the dinner recess, as we would call it in the South, the defense attorneys, one after another, began to present their cases.
And I was thinking, okay, this will last probably a couple of weeks, perhaps not quite as long as the plaintiff's attorneys, but, you know, a lot of people, a lot of different defendants there, a lot of different attorneys.
I'd say a week or two, right?
A day, a day, really half of the afternoon on the 15th and the morning of the 16th, and then it went to closing arguments.
Let's start there, Warren.
Did that surprise you that the defense counsels collectively had such a short time or took a short, such a short time at bat?
How do you think they did?
And just break down this week's action in Charlottesville for those who weren't tuned in via audio as we were every day.
Yeah, I feel that that came as a lot of, that came as a surprise to a lot of people.
I don't want to criticize the defense too much because they're operating under very difficult circumstances and they have their reasons for doing what they did.
I know, for example, I mean, just like I thought it was going to go a lot longer too, but to play devil's advocate here, the strategy, I believe, was one, they didn't want to waste the time of the jurors any more than the plaintiffs already had, and they had gotten in most of their counterpoints and their arguments in the cross-examinations of plaintiffs' witnesses in when they themselves took the stand.
So like, for instance, when Chris Cantwell was on the stand.
So a lot of those arguments had already been made.
And I know that they also had a lot that they wanted to say in their closing arguments.
So I think I understand what the logic there was.
It's just a shame, though, because you know that if the defense had $20 million and the top trial lawyers in the country on their side, it would have gone longer for a day.
But I chalk it up to the limited resources that they have at their disposal.
This is a real David Goliath.
Oh, no, you're not.
Oh, it absolutely is.
And I'm not saying that in criticism.
I'm not litigating this case.
I'm listening to it as an interested observer, as you are, as are so many people.
I wasn't saying that as if it's a good or a bad thing.
Just it was a remarkable thing, and it was certainly interesting and worthy of our mentioning tonight.
Another thing that I found very interesting this week, really bizarrely so, was the legal definition of a conspiracy.
I heard with my own ears the judge say, you can be part of a conspiracy, even if it's unbeknownst to you.
You can be part of a conspiracy if you set foot at the place where a conspiracy is occurring.
By that loose and very wide-ranging definition, anybody could be part of a conspiracy at any time.
Apparently.
Yeah, it seems like the, first of all, it seems like the jury instructions, we all thought that Judge Moon was doing a surprisingly fair job during this trial, especially.
I did too.
I did too.
Pardon the interruption, Warren, at least from the bench.
There are some behind-the-scenes things that are very peculiar.
Maybe we'll get to that later.
But from the bench, with regards to how he handled each side, I thought he was fair and even-handed.
He seemed to be, but I think it really, I mean, we know that they wanted this menu for a reason.
We know that they wanted Judge Moon for a reason.
We know that all the Charlottesville cases have been going to Judge Moon and that Judge Moon had, and I know you talked about it, I think, with Trey last week, how Judge Moon had two clerks on his, two out of three of his clerks were personal friends with Elizabeth Signs, who's the chief plaintiff in this case, and were antifa or antifa sympathizers.
And one clerk had been actually an Israeli citizen or worked for the Israeli government.
So very, very, very, I mean, Judge Moon should have recused himself from this trial.
Absolutely.
Let me say something about that because Sam Dixon is, I've talked to him behind the scenes a lot about this.
Obviously, we're both close friends and following this case as interested parties.
But this was something that Chris Cantwell most excellently brought out in the trial.
He was questioning, cross-examining missed signs.
And she's calling out to someone named Josh, Josh, we may need to come to your house.
And he asked, who's Josh?
And of course, the plaintiff's attorneys instantly objected to that.
It was sustained by Judge Moon.
But Josh, of course, was one of the clerks of Judge Moon.
And Judge Moon's 85 years old.
Now, this is purely speculation on my part, but I wonder how much of the pre-trial decisions were written by him and not his clerks.
That's just speculation.
Just the appearance of that impropriety.
First of all, Judge Moon should have disclosed that.
You know, he said when Jason Kessler filed, when his attorney filed a motion to have them recuse themselves, why didn't Judge Moon go ahead and he claimed that they came to him and recused themselves at the beginning of this whole thing and that they told him about the conflict of interest.
Why did he not say that?
Why didn't he tell the defense, oh, by the way, before we even get started here, two of my clerks are friends of the plaintiffs and they have recused themselves.
Why did it take a motion from all this Sherlock Holmes work on Facebook to try to find these connections?
Why did it take that?
And why did it take a motion from Kessler and his lawyer before Judge Moon disclosed this to the other side?
It's very suspicious.
I don't know if you know, James, but Greg Conte and I, we are together suing the city of Charlottesville, and we're suing Governor Terry McGonale.
We have our own lawsuit that's pending from Charlotte.
Wow, I didn't know Greg.
That's a whole nother hour in conversation.
I did not know that, but I would love to learn more.
We have not really been publicizing it mainly because we haven't been trying to really fundraise for it because we're doing it pro se and all the money that can be fundraised we thought should be going to people that are political prisoners.
There's not unlimited money out there, and we did not want to take away from the people who were fighting to stay out of prison, the Ram guys and others, the people who were involved in the Deanda Harris incident in the garage who are trying to stay out of prison.
We don't want to distract from them.
But if this, depending on how this Charlottesville trial goes, and if Kessler, because Kessler has a similar lawsuit, it's not the same.
He's suing Charlottesville, but he's not suing Governor Terry McGaliff.
We are.
But depending on how his case goes, they're waiting to make a ruling on something to do with our case until his case is heard.
And I think the Fourth Circuit, Greg knows more of the details of it.
But the bottom line is that we submitted a motion for Judge Moon to recuse himself from this.
And he denied us.
I mean, he turned it down.
But we put in there that one of the reasons why that he should recuse himself is the fact that he did not put this out there.
That two of his clerks were friends with Elizabeth Signs and that he had anti-fa clerks.
So the fact that he did not disclose that until he was forced to is very suspicious.
So to bring it back to the events of this week, I think that Judge Moon is absolutely, you know, I don't want to say it too much, but I think that there's a reason why the plaintiffs chose him and why they chose his court and why they wanted to have it in Charlottesville.
Just the fact that they're having it in Charlottesville is unbelievably prejudicial to the case because of so much of the heated emotions in the city of Charlottesville.
And that the jurors are going to be going back to their friends and neighbors and they're going to have to answer for whatever decision they make.
So just that alone, you would think that this wouldn't have gone to trial or it would have been changed venue.
To play devil's advocate, and I'm asking this just as a member of the audience, if not in Charlottesville where the event occurred, where would they or could they have had it?
Oh, I don't, you know, I know when there's a trial like that, you know, when there's an incident like that in a town, you move it out of the locale because the local emotions are too strong.
You know, there's too many, everybody's polarized, and people can't look at it objectively and unbiasedly because they've been.
It's a good observation.
It's a fantastic observation there.
We're going to take a break.
We've got Warren for the remainder of the hour.
He's going to be joined now, though, by a man who testified in Charlottesville this week.
We're going to expand the roundtable to three when we come back.
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Well ladies and gentlemen, Rich Hamblin is joining the call now, a dear friend of ours here at TPC, longtime friend of the family.
He and his wife are really part of the family.
And he showed us the way this week by going up to Charlottesville.
And I got to say this about Rich, and I said it earlier this week with Sam Bushman.
I was on Sam's show a couple of times this week to break down the trial out in Utah.
Rich, to my knowledge, was the only person who was not either a plaintiff or a defendant or a so-called expert witness.
And the planet's attorneys really redefined the word expert over the course of this trial.
But Rich was the only person to go up there who was accosted by Antifa, who was attacked by Antifa, physically attacked by Antifa, who went up there to testify on behalf of the defense.
Everybody else was too scared to be doxxed, too scared to be pulled back into it.
Rich was the only one with the stones to go up there.
And he lived out of the jurisdiction.
He lived beyond 150-mile radius of Charlottesville.
They could not subpoena him to come.
They could not compel him to come.
He went on his own volition.
He drove a day up there and a day back to have an hour on the stand.
And he's going to tell us about it right now.
And then he's going to join the discussion in progress with Warren Baylock and what a great job Warren's doing tonight.
But Rich, well, hey, listen, for the people who have and have not been listening to this trial as we have, tell us what it was like to be in that court with all of these different people that we've been listening to to sit right there by the judge and to face the jury and to tell your story.
Take us there.
Well, as you know, it's not the first time I've been in a federal courtroom, but this one was a little different.
It was like going through, I don't know, TFA times 10 to just get into the court.
It's kind of funny.
I met my attorney, or I met the league attorney, Brian Jones, at his office.
We went over things.
And then we went over to the courthouse.
And at the front door, there was lo and behold, Matt Parrott.
You know, and he goes, hey, it's been a long time.
And I said, yeah, I think I was sitting on the front steps of the police station last time I saw you, you know, just after the trial.
Well, because this was your first time, this was your first time to go back since the day of the event, of course.
So, yeah, I mean, like going back to Charlottesville.
Well, it was quite different.
It was much calmer.
There was, didn't see any antifar.
I think when we walked into the courthouse, there was maybe one reporter out on the street doing a, you know, doing a, not an interview, but he was doing a piece.
No protesters, none of that kind of stuff.
The word I heard was that they were being kind of quiet because they thought it would look bad if they tried to attack anybody.
But Seaville Fash Watch did make up a wanted poster, pretty much, for me and Matt Parrott.
But I was already out of town by the time it got posted on the internet.
But yeah, they were mighty agitated that I had the nerve to come back, I guess.
And especially, gotta say again, the only guy who went back up there who was physically assaulted by a so-called counter-protester.
And we tip our hat to you, sir, for that.
And of course, yeah, to be in the courtroom had to be quite a thing to be there in the presence of the pro se counsel, the defense counsel that we've been listening to, obviously the plaintiff's counsel.
And I heard you tell that they were scowling throughout your entire recollection of the day's events.
And Rich was also featured in a manner of speaking in the Netflix documentary.
I don't know if it was made for Netflix, but you can certainly find it there.
Alt-write the Age of Raid.
You can actually watch Rich's interaction with Antifa close and personal in that documentary that I think was presented at Conn's and some of these other major film festivals.
So a true celebrity on our hands now.
But of course, Rich, I know you are an admirer of Warren.
And in fact, when you heard that Warren was going to be on the show tonight, you asked if you could join the conversation with him because you wanted to speak personally with him.
So he's been listening to this as we have.
I'm going to turn it over to both you and him now.
What would you like to say to Warren?
Well, it's a pleasure to meet you on the phone.
I've watched some of your presentations on the internet, and I know you're an expert on somewhat on Hungarian politics and all that kind of stuff.
But actually, I knew of Emily before I heard of Warren because I used to, she used to be on Red Ice back in the day.
And what was she?
The Peanut Lady at the Phillies game.
So I remember Emily well, and I'm glad that you two are a couple.
Thank you very much, sir.
Yeah, and that's fantastic.
Like I said, until James mentioned it, I didn't know I had missed When you were there, because I wasn't listening the whole week, you know.
But let me ask you, because I'm very curious, what was your perception of the jury, or did you have a chance to just see the types of people?
I've heard that there seems to be a lot of working class people, which gives me some hope.
Yeah, you know, I couldn't really tell.
I didn't listen.
I didn't start listening to the trial until the arguments were starting, began to be made.
So I didn't listen to any of the jury selection.
I know that Kessler thinks that there was about four guys or four people on the jury that were well disposed.
I know that one got dismissed Friday for the one young man that had had a bad experience and was attacked for being white in Hawaii when he was growing up.
I know he was dismissed because his children had been exposed to COVID at school and they were in quarantine, so he was quarantined too.
Everybody in the courtroom was wearing a mask.
So it's really difficult to get a read on anybody.
Plus, the jury was not in the jury box.
They were scattered out in the gallery, you know, and they're six feet apart and all that kind of stuff.
I only really got a look at one of them when I was on the way out.
He was an older white gentleman, looks like probably 60, maybe even 70, retired guy.
He certainly looked the working class to me for sure.
But to look at the jury, I had to look over the defense, I mean, the plaintiff's table, and they were an ugly bunch, and their attitudes weren't all that good.
My experience when I was there, you know, I got maced.
Well, I didn't get maced.
I got hit with pepper spray by the Charlottesville police pretty badly.
And with the combination of the sunburn, because I'd been out, I didn't put any, I didn't have any kind of protection on.
And there was a medic tent there, and I just went to get checked out because I was breathing really heavy and I have high blood pressure and I was having a bad time.
And there was a medic tent right there.
So I went and got checked out.
And while I was in there, I'm really glad that happened because while I was in there, there were two guys that were injured from our side.
And all the nurses there were local women.
You know, and I grew up in Pocahontas County, West Virginia, which is not, it's right across the border from Virginia.
It's similar culture to southwest Virginia, which Charlottesville isn't really in that southwest Virginia, but it's just the kind of people down there are similar to the people that I grew up around.
And the sense I got at the time was that the local people completely were on our side.
It was more the town, you know, the people with money, liberals with money, affluent liberals in the town itself that were all on the side of the antifung and wanting to pull the statue down.
But the sense I got is people in the surrounding area were totally sympathetic to us and to wanting to keep the lease statue up.
And I wonder if you if you thought the same.
I mean, it just seemed like good, solid, you know, Virginia people.
That's probably true.
I mean, we had a little bit of interaction with the 15 or 20 cops that sat around and did nothing while I was getting knocked to the ground there in front of a police station.
And I was, you know, one of them was kind enough to pick me up and walk me over to the side and said, look, you're too old to be doing this sort of thing.
So we, after the upward died down, you know, I was talking to one of them.
I said, hey, look, all this overtime you're getting.
And he said, man, I'd rather be anywhere else except here.
So I kind of got that feeling.
You got to understand that UVA is probably the biggest thing in Charlottesville.
And of course, like any other college around the country, it's full of communists, communists, and shitlibs and whatever you want to call them.
That's just a culture.
And they're the ones that have taken over.
My wife and I, my ex-wife and I passed through there about, oh, I don't know, around 2000 or 2001 when we were taking our son up to school at the University of Pennsylvania and we stopped in there because she was a former Spanish teacher in a local prep school and she wanted to stop by, you know, and see where one of her students was, you know, living.
So we drove through there and it just looked like a, you know, it looked like a quiet, peaceful college town, you know, with peace joints and all that kind of paraphernalia.
When we arrived in Charlottesville on a Friday afternoon, we took a, even though our quarters, the place we were staying, the retreat center was outside of Charlotte or Charlottesville in a place called Madison, we took a drive through, you know, through the town and see what it was like.
And I did not get the same vibe then.
Yeah.
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I want to move very hastily because we have far too little time for what I want to cover.
I want to thank again Warren Bailaug.
We'll have him back on to talk more about his activism, and he's doing a lot.
He's got his own live stream.
He's obviously working with a political party, and we're going to have him back on to tell us all about that once these cases are settled.
But I want to say this again about Rich Hamblin.
Going up there, he was solid.
He was poised.
He was steady under fire.
Proud to know him.
We talked, he mentioned very briefly, I should probably follow up on this about the juror who was dismissed.
We did get to listen to the jury selection process.
This was juror number 210.
Juror number 210.
They had asked these racially charged questions in the jury selection process, and he had answered that the only racism I have ever experienced was being attacked because I was white.
And I think he had some not-so-kind things to say about the Black Lives Matter movement.
He was able to get on the jury, but between the time that closing arguments ended and jury deliberations began, I guess it's just bad luck that his kid got exposed to COVID at school.
And through that, he was exposed.
I don't want to get off into black helicopters or anything like that, but that's unfortunate because he was one that, you know, obviously you would think might be sympathetic.
So that one was lost.
This is a civil trial, not a criminal trial.
So 11 jurors, you don't have to have an alternate.
On they go.
So anyway, that's the update on that.
But they are still in deliberation.
This thing went into deliberation very early in the morning on Friday.
Who knows when you're reading tea leaves what that means?
Is it good or bad that they are still in deliberation and didn't start handing out jackpots on Friday?
Who knows?
We'll find out.
I bet you this thing will end on Monday, though.
So stay tuned.
Our next show will give you the summation.
But it's all over but the shouting, that's for sure.
I want to read something very quickly.
Was that you?
Yeah, go ahead, Warren.
Yeah, I just wanted to interject because I don't want to let our 10 minutes go by without saying what I wanted most to say, which is that Christopher Camwell did an incredible job in his closing arguments.
He did well.
He did amazing.
The whole trial, he did great.
In the closing arguments, I felt the best ones were, I felt that, actually the only ones that were any good of the closing arguments, because I heard Karen Dunn, who is a horrible person, but she's one of the top trial lawyers in the country, and she is a very, very aggressive person.
She's the only one of all the attorneys, I think, for the plaintiffs that is not Jewish.
And by Jewish, I mean like an absolute caricature of a New York Jew.
She's the only one that appears to be non-Jewish, but she was very aggressive.
And I noticed she led the opening and closing arguments.
She carried the most weight with it.
And she's worked for some of the top corporations in the country.
So it's a very big guns to go up against.
And I felt Richard Spencer actually did a surprisingly good job in his closing arguments.
Josh Smith, the TWP lawyer, who didn't have a lot of time to prepare for this trial, and he doesn't have a lot of experience as a trial lawyer.
From what I know, certainly nothing like the other side.
He did well.
Jones, the league attorney, did phenomenal.
He did great.
I feel like he's the only one of the defense attorneys that really, Josh Smith also, but he especially earned his paycheck.
But Cantwell came out and gave, I mean, I wish I'd had a recording of that.
And I think that was the reaction across the board.
Cantwell is the hero of this trial, and he will emerge that way no matter what.
Yeah, let me make some comments on Cantwell.
He turned himself into the true leader.
He was there for everybody.
Here, here, and he even helped salvage some of the idiotic stuff that Spencer said.
And when I was the last.
I was the next to last witness.
I think Newberry came on after me, and I didn't get to hear him because I was going out of the courtroom when he testified.
But after Jones examined me for 30 minutes, and then the learned elder Levine got up and tried to tear me apart for the next 30 minutes.
And then Cantwell and Josh Smith got up, and both of them drew attention to the helmet, the helmet that Rachel Miles was wearing and asking me if I recognized the symbol that was on it.
And during the course of this, they had to put the part of the videotape up where I'm getting pummeled on the ground showing the side of her head.
And Cantwell and Edward asked if I knew what that meant.
I said, well, I didn't really know what it was until I hadn't heard of it until the trial.
And they said, what does it look like?
I said, well, it looks like three lines.
They said, could it be arrows?
I said, well, yeah, sure.
But the point of that was it was the last thing the jury saw after my cross-examination from Levine.
So, I mean, it brought up the fact that, yeah, I got knocked to the pavement and hit four or five times.
Unprovoked.
I mean, it's got to be said.
It's got to be said unprovoked.
You were trying to get to your car.
You were trying to get out of there as you were instructing.
Yeah, they tried to steal my flag.
I resisted.
And three of them turned on me.
And we wrestled around.
I was just trying to get away from them.
And she ended up kicking my legs out from under me.
And all this is in front of about 15 or 20 Charlottesville cops and deputies.
I mean, they're all squaring over there too.
You can swatch for yourself.
They were out for blood that day, man.
They were out for blood.
I got hit in the arm from behind as we were being pushed out of the park by a black guy who was wearing a mask.
And I remember that because it really stuck in my mind.
They had made such a thing about how they were not going to let anybody wear masks, the Charlottesville police.
He hit me with a club in the elbow, and it was very minor.
I lost feeling in my arm for like an hour or two, and there was a big bruise.
It wasn't that bad.
But what happened to you, I mean, there were so many people that had worse than when I was in that medical tent.
There were people with bandages, blood running down their face, big head wounds.
I mean, we had medics there.
There were women that were there.
There were a lot of women that were on our side that were there that were helping out, helping people with wounds.
There were a lot of injuries that went unreported, but it was just so disgusting.
And I'm sure it was for you too, Rich, to hear Levine and Kaplan and these people make it talk about Joyous, the Joyous celebrating counter-demonstration.
They were just peaceful students and everything.
I mean, they are such filthy liars, and they know they're lying.
They know that they are lying.
And it really is, there were times when I just had white knuckles listening to some of this testimony and the lies coming out of these lawyers.
I can tell you they know they're lying because they accuse all the witnesses on our side of lying.
Yes.
You know, it's a typical projection.
You know, that whole thing.
Yeah, he made a great point about how our side was the one that's almost trying to show you the full clip in context.
They're the ones trying to show you the title of the.
Yeah, Jones did that.
And I have to make another point.
Yeah, Jones did it.
And I have to make another point because this is really infuriating.
This is what's called a slap lawsuit, strategic lawsuit against public participation.
Yeah, everyone brings that up.
Yeah, and it is in every single story in the news media.
There's a paragraph where the liberal press is saying, oh, the purpose of this lawsuit, according to the plaintiff's lawyers, is to bankrupt these organizations so they're not able to function anymore as political organizations.
Over and over and over again, they say that's what the purpose of it is.
Yet when Richard tried to bring that point up, and when Cantwell and others have tried to put it up, Kaplan objects, Judge Moon shuts them down.
You're not allowed to talk about anything in your decision.
That's right.
I mean, it's like everywhere out of the court.
And you know, and this is what I said on my telegram, that if they get what they want out of this, every single interview for the rest of her life, Kaplan is going to be bragging about how this hopefully cripples the ability of our guys, groups like the League of the South, to go out there and politically organize.
So before the trial, during the trial, as long as it's not in the courtroom, and after the trial, they're bragging about it to how it's a slap lawsuit.
But when Judge Moon, when you try to bring it up in his courtroom, he shuts you down.
Guys, it's a great radio interview when I feel as though we haven't covered half of it and it's flown by and we only have a couple of minutes left and this has just been amazing.
We are going to have, listen, again, Ramsey Paul's in the second hour.
We're going to talk about Rittenhouse.
That's big news, too.
And then in the third hour, Rich and I are going to team back up to give a final assessment of Charlottesville.
So stay tuned for the whole three hours tonight.
You don't want to miss it.
But Warren, you wrote this.
If you don't think Charlottesville case of signs versus Kessler matters, or if you are against or indifferent towards the defendants because you have a disagreement with some of them politically, I would challenge you to consider this.
If the Bolsheviks have their way, it sets a precedent that the right of free speech and self-defense can summarily be stripped from you without even a rubber stamp of judicial review based merely on your unpopularity in the eyes of the far left.
Let's finish with that.
And my God, guys, it's gone by.
I say again too quickly.
We have about a minute left.
Warren, final word to you.
Rich, you'll be back with me in the third hour.
But the effects of free speech and free assembly in this country and how this case weighs in on that.
Yeah, well, that's what the purpose of it is, is to shut down free speech.
They say that's what it's for.
If you try to bring it up, you can't bring it up in Judge Moon's courtroom.
Hopefully the jury sees through that.
I'm praying to God that that jury, that there's some common sense or some fairness or some decency there, that these people see through this.
And I can't go, James, without saying how delighted I am about Kyle Rittenhouse and how that shows that it is possible for truth to prevail and for the good guys to win.
It doesn't happen often, but it still is possible as long as you stay in the fight.
You keep your chin up.
You keep optimistic.
You don't give an inch to these people.
You know, you keep doing what you've been doing since the Reform Party.
You keep fighting, keep speaking up, and eventually we have some victories.
And Kyle Rittenhouse gives me hope.
Hopefully it'll, that's a good port.
That's a good omen of things to come with both the Charlottesville trial and the McMichaels trial down there.
That's another one that we all need to start paying attention to right now because conservatives don't want to touch it, the Republicans.
But it's something that we all have.
You know, I said that, Warren, too.
If the races had been reversed with regards to those who had been shot, the conservatives would have been for the McMichaels and they would have left Ritten out to hang.
And I think that's the only thing that saved Rittenhouse.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope that the same justice is served in Georgia and, of course, in Charlottesville as well.
But I was glad that the establishment conservatives gave Rittenhouse the support that he deserved.
And I'm so glad that that kid got off.
I got to admit, I teared up watching his reaction to the verdict.
Me too.
But I don't think conservatives would have touched him from a mile away if those people had been black.
And anyway, that's where we'll leave it.
Warren Bailog, thank you so much.
Thank you for your work and your leadership.
We'll talk to you again soon about other matters in a more wide-ranging political talk.
Rich, we'll talk to you again in a couple of hours.