Nov. 6, 2021 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Big shout out to Jay and the Americans right there to open up the program tonight.
Jay Black, the voice of Jay and the Americans, passing away just a few days ago at the age of 82.
Jay and the Americans were led by a singer named Jay Traynor.
They had a modest hit with a song called She Cried.
And then for whatever reason, Jay Traynor left the group.
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And the rest is rock and roll history.
Well, the voice was silenced this week, but some great songs in there.
And I've been revisiting some of those this week.
Welcome to the show, everybody.
It's James Edwards in the Political Cesspool this Saturday evening, November the 6th.
So we're going to pick up tonight where we spent a lot of time last week, and that is coverage of the Charlottesville trial.
Also this evening, we'll be weighing in with Keith Alexander on the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, also the Ahmaud Arbery trial in Georgia.
I think it is absolutely uncanny that Charlottesville, Arbery, and Rittenhouse, the trials for these separate cases, are all taking place concurrently.
And in fact, they all started at nearly the same time, even though they were separated by years in terms of the dates of these events.
So anyway, we'll be talking about that and the Virginia election results.
Is that a good outcome or bad for our people?
We'll weigh in on both sides of that argument.
That's all coming up this evening with some special guests as well interspersed throughout the night.
Well, let's go back to Charlottesville first.
This is certainly a trial because we know so many of the co-defendants that we're going to be covering more than the other two that I just mentioned, and we're going to be covering them heavily.
I believe we're about halfway through the trial now.
And let me first say this.
If you missed last week's coverage, we spent two hours last week breaking down the Charlottesville trial in terms of the lead up to it, breaking down the different players for the plaintiffs and the defense, the judge, and going into what happened during that first week in court.
Obviously, everything I said last week is still very relevant and still very germane to the topic.
If you're tuning in tonight and you didn't listen to last week's show, you may think I'm leaving something out.
Well, I promise you, we probably covered it last week.
It was an extensive treatment that if you are interested in this trial and you missed last week's show, you really need to go back and visit it because I don't want to replow too much of that ground.
Let's just continue on now with what I have heard during the second week of the trial.
Now, I have listened every day.
We mentioned last week there is a listen line you can go to, a teleconference line.
You put in your access code and you're there in the courtroom, in a matter of speaking.
And I have listened to, I think, in excess of 90% of the trial this week.
There's a few minutes I missed here and there, but I think 90% would be a pretty good estimate of how much I've caught.
So I got a pretty good handle on it.
Now, the prosecution is still at bat.
The defense has not had its time to come up and present the evidence that I think will certainly exonerate the co-defendants, or at least many of them.
Right now, it's still a shelling, a rhetorical bombardment coming in from the prosecution.
Now, it does get a little confusing because some of the witnesses that the prosecution is calling to testify are the co-defendants themselves, and then their attorneys get to cross-examine them, even though it's still not there at bat, if that makes any sense.
But I think one lesson I want to begin with today, one lesson that I have said time and time again over my career as an activist is I've said it publicly.
I've said it privately at different functions.
Do not say anything, no matter even if it's done in jest that you don't want read back to you in a courtroom.
Now, I didn't come up with that.
That's cliche, but it's certainly worth remembering.
And so this is a big part of the prosecution's case here.
I don't think in any way whatsoever they can realistically prove that there was a conspiracy.
There was not.
There was not a conspiracy by the co-defendants to engage in or a premeditated plan to go into Charlottesville for the express purpose of committing violence and engaging in unlawful activities up to and including the physical abuse of other people that might have been there to protest them.
Obviously, if the anti-fun BLM demonstrators had not shown up, there wouldn't have been the conflict.
If the police had done their job, let everybody show up, there wouldn't have been a conflict.
Really, the people that fault here, and I said this last week, if the prosecution really cared for their plaintiffs, and some of them were injured, they would be going after the city of Charlottesville, Charlottesville, the city of Charlottesville, the law enforcement of Charlottesville, the state of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, all of those.
Those should be the people on trial this week.
But it doesn't help the cause of some of the plaintiffs to have recordings and text messages played back in front of the jury where they're saying things like, we need to kill Jews instead of cockroaches, quote unquote, gas the kikes, allegedly.
Okay, these things were said.
It's stupid and it's immature.
Now, and I do think it muddies the water with the juries to an extent.
It certainly makes the defendants look unsympathetic.
Some of them, again, not all of them.
You've got to remember there's a couple of dozen different defendants here.
And some of them, in many cases, didn't even know one another, much less were engaging in collusion with one another.
But it does make them look unsympathetic.
Now, I am not throwing shade here.
I am not virtue signaling or counter signaling.
I fully stand with all of the defendants.
I am sure the very worst of the defendants are better than the very best of the prosecution.
I have no doubt about that.
I would say they're probably more honorable, more honest, whatever you want to do to judge, whatever the measuring stick is, okay?
So I'm defending them.
I know the truth, but will the jury?
So I'm on their side and certainly feel as though they should be found not guilty here because this whole thing was, did they conspire to commit violence?
That's the only thing.
Not if they said things that were offensive, not if they said things that you disagree with.
But there was, in some cases, a lack of discipline, a lack of leadership, a lack of good judgment from some of the players in this case.
Don't shoot your mouth off in an attempt to impress partygoers with tough talk, especially when you don't have any wins under your belt, especially when you haven't been tempered by years of productive activism and exhibited an ability to become sharpened by the attacks of our opponents.
Some of these people, this was really some of their first activism.
Now, I can critique here because I've done that.
I've done it.
We've had events that have drawn hundreds of people.
We've had families and responsible people come out.
Not to mention the nearly two decades of fighting with the media that we've done here and all assortments, all sorts of assorted foes.
So we've earned the right to critique here.
And if you haven't earned it, you really can't do it.
But we'll continue with that.
That, I think, is something that needed to be said just as a teachable moment.
Just as a teachable moment for anybody out there going forward, be careful what you say.
It can come back to hurt you.
We'll be right.
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As a teenager, I gave my first public speech in my church.
My hand shook, my heart pounded.
I thought to myself, I can't do this, but somehow I did.
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But I think you want to be wise to refrain in over-the-top rhetoric.
This is something that plaintiffs' attorneys or prosecuting attorneys in a case such as this, they really want to be able to sink their teeth into and able to what they hope will be something that can hurt you.
So it was, at the end of the day, though, let me develop my full point.
It was just irreverent behavior and nothing more.
It shouldn't have been taken seriously.
These people were not criminals.
These were not people that were going in there to inflict violence.
But you see how those who hate the defendants are being able to use this now, though, right?
That's the point.
And I think one of the defendants, Asmodor, talking about taking portable ovens, for instance, to Charlottesville.
Okay, you know, obviously that's rhetorical.
I think it was presented in court as if perhaps that was something that they were actually talking about doing, which is ridiculous.
But the rubber's going to hit the road.
We've talked enough about that.
The rubber's going to hit the road when the defendants get to testify.
And I hope we'll be able to produce video evidence that will completely and entirely show beyond any shadow of doubt who started the fighting.
And that's what it's all about.
That's the name of the game.
I hope the Heathy report, which we talked about extensively last week, we don't have the time to revisit that tonight.
But I hope the Heathy report will be a central exhibit in the defendants' cases.
And of course, you have many different defendants with many different attorneys.
Okay, so it's not just one attorney representing all of the defendants.
We talked about this last week, so you got to go back and listen to last week.
Now, with regard to some of the things that some of the defendants were saying, yes, BLM and Antifa say all of that and worse.
And in fact, they do worse.
They actually do burn down cities and sack police stations and do all of these things.
And we know that they did some of the same things at this very event itself.
So of course there's a double standard.
We know that.
But we are the ones that have to be above reproach.
They can do whatever they want.
They can threaten whomever they want.
They can loot.
They can vandalize.
They can commit arson, whatever, because of that double standard.
And I think that the defense attorneys are going to very easily be able to prove some of these defendants were up to no good.
In fact, some of that already happened in court just this week.
It already happened.
They went there with the intentions of, let's just say, mixing it up.
Okay.
So there was a couple of witnesses for the plaintiffs that went up today, and they were just there, you know, just to be there and to oppose racism.
Well, you know, but the evidence shows that they were linking arms and blocking the entrance to the rally.
So, of course, that was a provocation.
All right.
So we're going to have more of that come up when the defense gets its turn at bat.
It's a real courtroom dogfight.
I don't want to say it's entertaining because it is so serious.
I don't want to say it's entertaining because so many of my friends are involved.
I said last week, what happens in real court didn't like an episode of Law and Order, except for this has been absolutely enthralling.
Truly, it has.
And, you know, we'll see.
We'll see.
I think it could go either way.
I think, you know, obviously we talked last week about the tremendous pressure that the media is putting on the jury to come up with a verdict that will please the media, lest there be, and of course, we talked about what happened in jury selection last week as well.
I keep referencing last week's show for good reason, but the jury selection process was entirely eye-opening.
How many jurors during the jury selection process talked about anti-white racism and anti-white hatred and how that's the true problem we have.
I think that happened on more than a couple of occasions, a handful of occasions.
Has the climate changed since 2017?
You know, in 2017, this might have been a little more of a slam dunk for the prosecution or for the plaintiff's attorneys.
That was before the year of St. George.
That was before the contentious election.
That was before January 6th.
That was before what happened in Virginia's elections last week, which again, we'll be talking about.
And again, all it takes is one juror.
It has to be unanimous.
But, you know, again, it all comes down to the case is all about a conspiracy to commit violence.
These co-defendants, everyone from Richard Spencer to Jason Kessler, obviously Jason Kessler, the lead defendant here.
This is Signs versus Kessler, Elizabeth Signs et al. versus Jason Kessler et al.
Jason Kessler is the main guy in this thing.
Jason and Michael Hill, who testified this week, and he was absolutely inspiring, I got to say.
I don't know if he did himselves any favors by being so bold, but for all the people who have ever written in to say they have drawn inspiration and consider us to be heroes for what we've done with this program over the years, I will tell you that Michael Hill and I called him up, contacted him after he testified, and I said, you know, listen, I was inspired and I'm proud to be your friend.
He really took it all like a man should.
And so we'll see.
Again, it only takes one juror, though.
Just if you haven't listened to it, obviously what I'm talking about here isn't going to be as impactful.
Chris Cantwell, along with Richard Spencer, are the two pro se attorneys, which means they are representing themselves.
Pro se defendants means they're acting as their own attorney.
Thank you, Keith.
Chris Cantwell has been, I think, the star of the show so far.
He has been the star of the entire trial.
He is actually so good and so convincing.
And as, you know, I'm not saying he's been infallible, but to have never had any experience doing this, I think he has, he's playing the part as if he were a trained actor playing an attorney in a courtroom drama.
It's just, I think he's done a really good job of getting the points across.
He's cross-examining some of these witnesses.
I mean, well, really all of them.
It's just, it's been something to behold.
I mean, this whole thing, Matt Heimbach testified this week, very nimble and quick on his feet as well, I thought.
Deborah Lipstadt testified this week.
And, you know, that was interesting because she had nothing to do whatsoever with what happened in Charlottesville or the events in question.
They brought her on as an expert in anti-Semitism, and they wanted to see if she detected any anti-Semitism in Charlottesville.
And you'll be surprised to know that she did.
I agree with what Jason Kessler said, that she was a trap, a trap witness, hoping that I think some of the defendants' counsel would go after her, and they didn't take the bait.
So she went up there and she said how anti-Semitic.
But again, being anti-Semitic, whatever that means, being a white supremacist, whatever that means, that's not illegal.
That's not against the law.
And that has no bearing on the ultimate question.
And again, that question is: was there a conspiracy amongst the defendants to engage in violent activity in Charlottesville?
No, there was not.
Richard Spencer was hectored for eight hours on the stand this week.
I mean, this thing was just so ridiculous.
It was literally, and I don't have an exact transcript in front of me, but I'll give you a paraphrase.
Richard, do you, Mr. Spencer, do you remember saying something offensive on May of 2015?
And Richard would say something, well, not particularly.
Well, let me refresh your memory.
And then they'll read some text message he sent out to somebody.
And again, not illegal.
And then if Richard couldn't remember something word for word that he said in a deposition, they would read back the deposition.
There would be a couple of words mixed up, but it would ultimately be him saying the exact same thing.
But as if that proves he was a liar, this has been the prosecution's case so far.
This has been it.
Trying to paint the defendants as unlikable, trying to bring up things that they've said in moments of upsettedness, like Richard, right after the law enforcement of Charlottesville completely failed to uphold its duty for this completely lawfully permitted rally in defense of the Robert E. Lee Monument to take place.
Yes, he said some things, and we talked about this last week as well.
You say things when you're mad that you don't mean you get cut off in traffic and saying, oh, I wish he would die.
Well, you don't mean it.
You don't go to jail for that.
This is the prosecution's entire case.
And again, I must remind you: facts are facts.
We've got to remember video evidence is forthcoming.
Hopefully, the Heathy report is forthcoming.
The defense has not yet had their at-bat.
We are nearing the halfway mark.
They are still expecting this trial to wrap up before or right around Thanksgiving.
So still a lot to go.
The plaintiff's attorneys have not yet rested, and the defense has not yet had a crack at this thing.
But wow.
Hey, let me give you a surprise.
We got a surprise guest coming up in the next segment by the name of Jason Kessler.
Are you ready for that?
We're going to see.
We're going to take you right into the belly of the beast itself.
But the man at the heart of this whole thing, the man who obtained the permit to hold what would have been a peaceful and legally permitted rally until it all went awry.
Jason Kessler, surprise guest coming next.
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It really is a real pleasure to be able to talk with Jason Kessler tonight, who's in the middle of this gargantuan trial that I think strikes at the very heart of our freedoms of speech and association and assembly on the public square here in the United States of America.
This could be, I said it last week, perhaps one of the biggest judgments and one of the biggest trials in the last 50 or 60 years here pertaining to our freedoms as Americans.
So Jason, thank you for coming on.
I know we only have you for two segments tonight, and I have several questions for you that have come in from an attorney who is interested in this case.
He's not involved in this case, but he's interested in it.
But before we get to those, I'd like to ask you, if you listened to what I said in the earlier parts of this hour, to feel free to correct anything that I said that was an era as you tell us how you think it's going so far.
Hey, James, good to be with you.
Yeah, I did listen, and I 100% agree.
I think you have to have the courage of your convictions to criticize your own side when they screw up.
And most of the things that you were saying came from the one individual that you named as Mador, although he was not the only one that was using this rhetoric that was over the line.
But yeah, I don't think that the things he was saying were appropriate.
And what people need to understand, though, is that we're not just some blob.
You know, you can stand up for the Unite the Right rally and the civil rights of the protesters and still understand that there might have been bad actors, not only on the other side, but also on our side.
The nature of the conspiracy case, and this has been instructed to the jury many times, is that you have to judge each defendant individually.
Just because one person crosses the line doesn't mean that you should assume that somebody else has.
The plaintiffs have the burden to prove that for each defendant.
Well, and that's right, Jason.
And again, I'm not throwing anybody under the bus here.
I'm just saying you got to be, you got to understand that saying things like that may not, in fact, help your cause or our shared cause.
And just be careful what you say, because if it wasn't for that, I don't think the prosecution has a case at all.
I think they're leaning on these sort of over-the-top comments to poison what they will hope will poison the minds of the jurors.
But let's get to that because, again, so many questions, so little time.
Could you describe for our audience what you've seen from the plaintiffs' attorneys, how they seem to be reacting to how the trial is going.
And well, let's just start with there before we go to the defense counsel.
Well, I don't think that things are going for them like they thought they were going to.
For me, their demeanor is very aggressive.
It's very surly.
It's totally humorless.
And contrasted to a number of the defendants who seem relaxed.
They seem like they're not really ashamed of their constitutionally protected beliefs.
They're kind of loose.
I've heard some very funny exchanges about the zombie apocalypse and whether we call it dinner or supper in the South.
And I think those kinds of things relate to the jury members, you know.
Whereas these attorneys for the plaintiffs are slick, elite New Yorkers who are coming down south and thinking that everybody is going to be like the people who live in the city of Charlottesville.
But as you've talked about on last week's broadcast, you have people from all over the Western District of Virginia.
Yes, and that was something I was going to bring up again.
This is not just city of Charlottesville people.
Not that everybody in the city of Charlottesville's of this particular mindset that might be conducive to a victory for the plaintiff's counsel.
But yes, this is from the whole Western District of Virginia.
It's very much red state and even more so this week than it was last week, apparently, if you look at those election results.
So you mentioned the defense counsel for some of the various co-defendants.
Do you believe, and again, they haven't had their at-bat yet, but do you think they have succeeded even in cross-examining some of these witnesses and punching holes in the theory of a massive conspiracy between you and everybody else that are there in the docket?
Yeah, I think there's been a lot of very effective cross-examination.
And you're seeing a stark contrast between some of the actual attorneys that some folks in the audience don't understand.
You know, they're just there to protect their client.
So if there's something that's being argued about, they're not there to defend the entire rally and every single person who was there, just their client.
Whereas you see some of the pro se litigants are in a lot of ways much more entertaining to listen to, like in particular, Christopher Cantwell, because he's really rolling up his sleeves and he wants to defend the entire event and he's going to fight for every inch when he's cross-examining every witness.
So you have two different approaches there.
I couldn't believe my ears.
I was laughing as you were at some of the distinctions between supper and dinner and some of the things that we're saying.
I mean, it is entertaining.
If it wasn't so serious, it would be entirely entertaining.
But Cantwell, as I said a moment ago, it seems as though he's an actor playing the role of an attorney in a courtroom drama.
For a guy who's never done this before, I think he's been effective.
And as you said, this was something that was a question that I had for you.
He seems to be perhaps maybe the only counselor so far.
Well, he's not a counselor.
He's pro se, but the only member of the defense so far to really go all out trying to vindicate the entire rally.
And I think, at least in my mind, now, of course, I'm biased, but it's come across as effective.
Yeah, I mean, he won't be the only one.
Obviously, that's also my sure, sure, sure.
I will be doing that.
But I haven't been called to testify yet.
And I'm sure that Cantwell will have a lot of questions for me as well.
Yes, that's right.
You have not been called to testify yet.
Well, let's just get back to the timing of this whole thing before we have this first break.
And then when you come back, we've got some more questions.
And then, of course, I want to be able to give you the opportunity to plug how people can still help financially.
There is still a reason and very much a need for people to support the defense, even as this thing is rolling out in real time.
And we'll talk about that in the next segment.
But this thing is still scheduled, at least, to wrap up at or around Thanksgiving.
But, of course, the plaintiff's attorneys have not yet rested.
I was calling them prosecutors.
They're actually, I think, in a civil trial.
They're technically plaintiff's attorneys have not yet rested.
And the defense has not yet had its opportunity to go and really eviscerate the argument here.
But will you be called up as a witness by the plaintiff's attorneys?
Yeah, I would think so.
I mean, I am Kessler and Science v. Kessler.
I think that it's got to be their intention to try and wrap me up as the mafia don of their imagined conspiracy.
But I don't know when they will call me.
Hopefully it will be this coming week because I'm ready to go.
Well, now, if they call you, will you still be called by your own counsel when the defense gets its turn?
Yes.
So we'll put on our own case as well, if that's even necessary.
I mean, I don't know that they've proven their case at this point.
So they're going to have to do a little bit better than what they've done so far.
Well, that's certainly the way I see it.
But again, I can't see it through the eyes of a juror who hasn't been engaged in the struggle as you have and as I have to, you know, a completely separate and in many ways lesser extent.
So I don't know how a normie, and to use the parlance of our times, might be hearing this on the jury, but I thought again, Jason, that the entire jury selection process was pretty interesting.
By the way, folks, Jason is live tweeting this thing from as this trial unfolds.
And be sure to follow him at the Mad Dimension.
You were on Twitter, you were talking about the jury selection process.
Were you surprised to hear the number of jurors who kind of pushed back on some of these questions in a way that would very much be in line with anything we might have said?
Yeah, I was really surprised and I was heartened by that.
I mean, it's something that my attorneys have been telling me all along is, you know, because I was really scared and nervous about the jury selection, but they kept telling me it's not just Charlottesville.
It's the whole Western District of Virginia.
But I didn't know just how awesome so many of the country people are that are in Virginia.
I mean, when you're so used to being on Twitter and getting your news from the mainstream media, it's like you think that there's just a tiny number of people who think like you, but there's so many people who don't pay attention to the media, aren't really abreast of current events, but they support the monuments.
They know what they see with their own eyes when there's this discrimination towards white people out there.
And they're not going to let some coastal media person tell them differently.
Well, that was apparently the case.
And again, I don't know how much the left has shot itself in the foot with these over-the-top, we talk about over-the-top rhetoric.
It's been nothing compared to what the left has been trying to pull in the media and everything else.
And people see this and people have certainly seen it.
You do have a very, we mentioned this last week, a very racially and ideologically diverse jury.
Okay.
So it's not just like everybody is of one mind or one anything.
So you do have that diversity on the jury in any way you can slice it.
But that's okay, too.
I think that's okay in a case like this because you're never going to be able to avoid that number one.
But you do have some that may be a little more ideologically in line with the way we see things, which I think is the way normal right-thinking people who have an ability to practice logic and reason see things.
We see things the way they are.
Anyway, we got to take a quick break.
And we're back with Jason Kessler for one more segment when we come back.
And we're going to let you know how you can still play a positive role in this ongoing trial.
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Okay, just a little reminder here, everybody.
The last time Jason Kessler was on this program, it was for our 4th of July extravaganza.
and Sam Dixon, an attorney, our good friend, everybody knows Sam.
I don't need to tell you who he is.
They appeared in tandem for that 4th of July broadcast where, of course, this case was prominently featured.
This was in the run-up to where we are now with this trial now being ongoing.
But it was a highly productive session.
And during that session, we made mention of the fact that there is a Charlottesville Legal Defense Fund that you can contribute to.
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Jason, just very quickly, because we have some more important questions that I have to get to, but tell them why, even as this trial is in progress, why that's necessary and why it's needed.
Well, the trial costs are, first of all, more than we've raised so far.
But this thing is really the cost of keeping the attorneys there for four weeks.
It could even go an extra week, as you were saying.
The daily transcripts cost thousands of dollars.
We're still behind the scenes serving people with subpoenas for witnesses.
We're paying an archival company to archive evidence.
And not only that, but we have our offensive suit against the city of Charlottesville that's still up on appeal.
This is just one battle, although it's an important battle in a larger war.
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Jason, you said something that I think is very important, and it should be repeated.
If free speech doesn't protect offensive speech, vulgar speech, whatever, then it's worthless.
And again, I think the prosecution is heavily leaning on some of these outlandish comments that some of the co-defendants have made in order to prove that everybody in the lot is a bad guy worthy of judgment visited upon them by the jury.
Again, we have to remind people that none of that's illegal.
It doesn't prove conspiracy, and that's the name of the game.
There was something else, Jason, that we read last week, and I'd like to read it again.
This was something that made the hair on my neck stand up when I read it last week, even when I first saw it.
You posted a scripture verse, Psalm 43, verses 1 and 2.
Vindicate me, O God, and defend my cause against an ungodly people.
From the deceitful and unjust man, deliver me.
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That being said, Jason, this was something that was very interesting.
And you can tell me if this is, in fact, accurate or inaccurate, because I don't know it to be a fact.
But I believe that one of the defendants' counsel accused the plaintiffs of bad faith because they never intended to negotiate a settlement in advance of the trial as instructed by the court.
I believe, in fact, the plaintiff's attorneys bragged in public interviews that we don't negotiate with Nazis, which is, of course, libelous to begin with, but we won't dwell on that.
Is that true?
Well, that's an ongoing dispute: is that one of the attorneys, Josh Smith, for the traditionalist worker party, had asked to be compensated for attorneys' fees because there was a settlement conference that the judge ordered people to negotiate in in good faith.
And various attorneys, including Mr. Smith, you know, dedicated his time that he could have been working and making money elsewhere to try and settle with these plaintiffs.
And then this article comes out, which is just like a slap and a spit in the face to those attorneys who dedicated their time and money to this settlement conference, where the you know, the plaintiffs are saying they don't settle with Nazis.
So that's that might be a good reason that they have to compensate Mr. Smith for his time.
That's very interesting.
And that's, well, what more can you say about that?
We'll see where that goes.
Now, when it comes time for the defense to muster its defense, will the Hefe report feature is it admissible?
Will the video evidence be admissible?
Because I can remember watching countless hours of unedited and video evidence that didn't have any sort of commentary from the establishment media added to it.
And I said, my God, what case could they possibly have?
Obviously, I mean, in the Heefe report backs up what I saw with my own eyes.
It goes back to the old saying, who are you going to believe?
The media or your lying eyes?
Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?
But I think Hefey report certainly backs up what I've seen with regard to the video evidence.
Video evidence, Heefe report, is that going to be something that's allowed?
Well, these are legal questions that are still outstanding.
And, you know, for the defendants, we want more evidence.
The more, the better.
The plaintiffs are trying to narrow it down to little cherry-picked comments on the internet that they can use to insinuate horrible things about us.
But with us, you know, we want that Heefi report in.
For them, they're trying to bar us from bringing it into court.
And Jason, part of the interruption.
Part of the interruption, my friend.
I just got to say this for point of emphasis.
So, again, and we talked about this at length last week.
The Hefe report, Timothy Hefey, is a was the former federal prosecutor.
Yes, thank you, Jason.
That's what I was reaching for.
The former federal prosecutor.
Thank you.
That was selected by the city of Charlottesville itself to come to an unbiased conclusion on what happened on the events and what took place at Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally of, of course, August 12th, 2017.
So this was their guy.
This was their guy.
And what he came up with was devastating to the narrative, to the narrative that we've all been subjected to.
If you've read any mainstream media report on this case, how in the world, Jason, would that not be admissible?
This is the city of Charlottesville's own report.
Well, what they're trying to say is that it's hearsay.
And Judge Moon has ruled that we can't bring in the Hefe report in its entirety.
Although my attorney has argued for its admissibility in a different way that Judge Moon didn't shoot down, and he's saying there are only sections out of that that we really need.
And some of those things, they shouldn't qualify or they should be an exception to hearsay.
For instance, because they shed light on the defendant's mindset at the time.
So when there's segments that talk about how the police were warning that there were corroborated threats that Antifa was going to fill soda bottles with concrete and throw them at the rallygoers heads, that's relevant because it comes to our state of mind of why we thought that we might need to defend ourselves.
But it's not just the Hefey report that they're trying to attack, that they're trying to keep from the jury.
You know, another incredibly important witness is Corporal Steve Young, who is the Charlottesville police officer who did the James Fields homicide investigation.
And he's already testified under oath at deposition that he looked very hard for any kind of communication that James Fields might have had with the organizers of the rally, for any conspiracy that he might have had with another individual that might have been relevant to the homicide case he was working on.
Neither he nor the FBI found evidence of any communication or conspiracy with any of the other defendants.
So what they're trying to do is muzzle him from giving that testimony because they know how powerful it will be for the jury.
And that's another outstanding question.
Well, very interesting.
When does that get decided?
I mean, this thing is obviously reaching full tilt.
Well, I think Moon said that he was going to do it at the time.
So I guess we'll find out when he's actually called to the stand.
I think that the idea is that he hasn't ruled on it and the plaintiffs can make their objections at the time to his testimony.
And our defense counsel hopefully will be able to rebut that.
But yeah, it's going to be one of the really critical moments of this trial, I think.
Is Heefe going to be called as a witness?
He could be potentially.
And then we have other folks that we're interested in calling.
We have the former mayor of Charlottesville, Dave Norris, who was deposed in a defamation case regarding Alex Jones in Charlottesville.
And he testified that it was the leftists that were starting the violence.
He saw that.
We also have an incredibly powerful training video from the head medical technician, the head EMT at Charlottesville.
And he has a whole presentation about how the leftists felt like they had been humiliated at Berkeley, California at free speech events earlier in the year.
And we're looking for a big event, a big stage to really get revenge against the political right and show that they were back.
And so this guy, George Lindbeck, is going to be another powerful witness that the plaintiffs are trying to stop from testifying.
So incredible witnesses.
It would seem as though if Deborah Lipstock could be admitted as a witness, surely these people could.
Yes, we're hoping that we'll bring them in eventually.
All right, well, I'm going to get the donations that we've been able to serve these people with subpoenas because we had to track down.
It's not so easy to find people with this COVID stuff.
No one's at work right now.
Hey, well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
And that's all the time we've got.
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