Oct. 30, 2021 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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Well, happy Halloween weekend, everybody out there.
And that is actually, in fact, what we're going to be covering in the next hour of tonight's live broadcast, the Saturday evening, October the 30th.
Halloween, of course, is a European cultural holiday rich in tradition.
We're going to be discussing Halloween history, the history of Halloween in tonight's third hour.
But first, we are continuing now in the second hour where we left off in the first.
And that is discussing the Science versus Kessler civil trial in Charlottesville.
That is, in layman's terms, the Charlottesville trial.
And it is a huge one.
And the impacts that it would could potentially have on the freedom of speech and association and the freedom of assembly are very profound and wide-ranging.
I was going to comment based on what you were saying before the break, that if you look back, most of these trials like this, Trayvon Martin, Darren Brown, Freddie Gray, have been wins for our side.
But that doesn't seem to slow up the onslaught at all.
Well, when you say our side, Keith, not to correct you, this isn't a correction, but when you say our side, our side is, in this case, truth, common sense, reason, logic.
Law and order.
Law and order.
Thank you.
That's it.
Law and order is what it is.
We're on the side of law and order.
Law and order was violated at the behest of the governing authorities of Virginia and in particular the city of Charlottesville here.
But it doesn't matter.
We're being what we call in the legal profession money whipped.
The defendants in this case are having to, you know, if they win this case, they're still going to be ruined financially by this because there is no NAACP, no National Lawyers Guild, no ACLU backing them up and defending them.
They're going to have to foot their own bill, tote their own note, as they say, at the used car lots.
And as a result of that, this is a violation of that basically what they're doing, they're conspiring to suppress the exercise of the defendants' First Amendment rights.
There is a lawsuit that you can bring that was basically invented during the Civil Rights Movement in what's called a 1983 action, where if somebody conspires to deprive you of your constitutional rights, you can bring a suit.
This is what needs to happen because there needs to be a cost paid by the left and reimbursement for people on the right that have to go through these Stalinist show trials, as you so aptly put it, time and time again.
Every time that we have anything like this come up, the left has battalions of lawyers well financed by Jewish power and influence to come after us.
Now, what we don't have that.
We do not, well, you know, we have people that show up thinking that somehow they have an inherent right to protest, and they're finding out that they don't.
And we need to protect, these people need to be protected.
There needs to be recourse for this because it doesn't matter how many times we win.
If you read the Washington Post, New York Times, listen to ABC, NBC, CBS, whatever, it doesn't affect them at all.
They're continuing with the onslaught, and people are actually being discouraged from exercising their constitutional rights by this onslaught of litigation.
I want to remind you, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to know what really happened in Charlottesville on that day, there's a book out, and it just came out about a month ago.
We've been plugging it quite extensively, Charlottesville Untold Inside Unite the Right.
It was written by Ann Wilson Smith, who's a homeschooling mother.
This isn't an author, although you wouldn't know it if you've read the book.
You would think she'd been writing all of her life as a profession.
But she has meticulously gone through the facts and interviewed, as we have done on this show, interviewed dozens of people who were participants that day in Charlottesville on August 12th, 2017.
So we're talking firsthand eyewitness information here, and the book is chocked full of it.
She is the daughter of Clyde Wilson, the noted scholar from the University of South Carolina.
So she definitely has the background, and she's used it well.
This is very well researched, very well footnoted.
Everything that she says, she's not drawing from the hip on any of this.
And you can find it at shotwellpublishing.com.
If you want the e-book, Amazon.com, if you want the hard copy, I know a lot of you have already received it.
And I'm hearing good things about it.
Of course, I've read it as well and have a copy here on my desk even.
So that's something you want to read if you're interested in this case.
And don't forget, don't forget, if you go to Jason Kessler's Twitter page at the Mad Dimension, or if that's too much for you to remember, just go to my feed at James Edwards TPC, scroll down just a little bit, donate to the Charlottesville Defense.
There are still things that can happen, even though the trial is already underway, that you can impact.
That is like serving notices and doing different things that they need their attorneys to be able to do.
Obviously, they are not lavishly funded like the opposition, and they need your help.
And I have donated to that.
I want you to do it as well.
If you've donated already, do it again.
So we had a caller from Illinois, a listener from Illinois, rather, that called in during the break, and I was able to talk to him in queue without putting him on the air.
And he asked to know, let's talk about the players in this thing.
Let's talk about the plaintiffs and the defendants.
And we're going to name them.
I think we covered jury selection quite well.
And so let's move to opening arguments.
It took two days for the jury selection, really two days and change for the jury selection to run its course.
And then on Wednesday of this week, opening arguments began.
I think we'll come back to that at the top of the next segment because I don't want to get into this just with just a minute before break and then have to stop.
But when we come back at the top of the next break, we will do it all the time you can.
No, no, no, no.
Well, I got something else I want to say.
So I'll work that in very quickly.
We'll mention to you the plaintiffs and the defendants, okay?
And we'll mention the representation of each group.
And I would say again, of the plaintiffs, a great disservice was done to them by their attorneys, who I think, this is just my opinion, are blinded by their unadulterated hatred for the defendants that rather than doing right by their clients and suing the city of Charlottesville, who was truly to blame for the violence that day.
Well, them along with the anti-fun BLM terrorist, of course.
But if you're going to sue anybody, you got to sue, you got to sue Charlottesville.
You know, you don't sue people that don't have any money to give.
If this was not an ideological lawsuit, it's what you would have done because the city of Charlottesville has the deep pocket.
They can actually pay damages.
These defendants can't.
That's right.
So it's an ideological thing to stop and stifle the ability for these people to speak and even live.
They have to exercise their constitutional rights.
All right, we'll tell you the players.
I'm not going to name the plaintiffs, but I will tell you who is representing them.
And I will name the defendants when we come back.
And then we'll talk about what I've heard during the arguments.
Stay tuned.
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There's a light in the fireplace.
There's a light light in the darkness of everybody's lying.
Okay, well, let's get down to it, ladies and gentlemen.
The players here in Signs versus Kessler.
You're not going to know the plaintiffs.
These aren't people that cast a big shadow or have a profile in any sort of a public way, but they are residents of Charlottesville.
Obviously, some of them affiliated with Black Lives Matter and Antifa, who in some ways were injured, whether it be physically or ostensibly mentally or psychologically damaged.
And these were not just random people that were injured.
You know, these are left-wing ideologues or they wouldn't have been chosen for this.
Well, of course.
I mean, if they weren't that, they wouldn't have been there as part of the opposition.
and they'd have been there as part of the people who were permitted to be there.
And they are represented by, now the case is named for the lead plaintiff, who is, her last name is Signs, who is a law student at the University of Virginia at the time of the rally.
Now, the plaintiffs are backed by a nonprofit group called Integrity First for America.
We will withhold commentary on that, but somebody called wanting to know who the players are.
Now, let's go to the players for the defense.
As Signs is the lead plaintiff, the lead defendant is Jason Kessler.
So, of course, he is one of the defendants, along with Andrew Anglin, Augustus Invictus, Chris Cantwell, the East Coast Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
I wonder if this is a real organization that I don't know.
Elliott Klein, aka Eli Mosley, the fraternal order of Alt Knights, never heard of them either.
Identity Europa, which is now defunct.
Obviously, James Fields, Jeff Shoup, the League of the South, loyal knights of the Ku Klux Klan, again, dubious, but maybe.
Probably all the members are FBI agents.
The two Mats, Matt Heinbach and Matt Parrott, Mike Enoch, Michael Hill, Michael Tubbs, both of the League of the South, Michael, a little good friend of mine.
Moonbase Holdings LLC, never heard of that one.
Nathan Damago, formerly of Identity Europa, the National Socialist Movement, if that exists, I guess.
Nationalist Front, Richard Spencer, of course, we know Richard.
Robert Asmodor Ray, the Traditionalist Worker Party, and Vanguard America.
A lot of these organizations are gone now.
I know, I don't know, I guess about, well, at least a third of the defendants, some of them good friends of mine.
And it is very surreal as I was listening to opening arguments.
So what happens here is you had the opening arguments for the plaintiffs, and then you had the opening arguments for the defense.
But the defense, all of those organizations and individuals that I just read, they are not represented by a single attorney.
Some of them are representing themselves.
People like Richard Spencer and Christopher Cantwell are their own attorneys.
And then some of the other individuals and organizations have their own attorneys.
So there's a contingent of about a dozen different attorneys and pro se participants there who have to get up and make their opening statements.
And then when a witness was called, the first witness was called yesterday.
It's the witnesses for the plaintiffs right now that are going up, not the witnesses for the defense.
And the plaintiff's attorneys will interview their witness.
And then each of the different actors in the defense will go up.
So, for instance, James Kalinich is representing Jason Kessler.
So he goes up.
And then Richard Spencer goes up.
And it's very surreal listening to Richard.
A man I've known for some time.
It's got to be a very unwieldy trial because there are so many.
It's convoluted.
It's convoluted.
And here Richard acting as his own attorney.
And he did a fine job.
I mean, he didn't do a bad job.
He actually caught one of the witnesses in an outright falsehood, an absolutely factual falsehood.
But then you have Brian Jones, for instance, who's representing the League of the South, and on and on.
So they all have to take a turn.
And then the next witness comes up.
The plaintiff's attorneys interview them.
And then one after the other, the defendants and their attorneys go up, And of course, the plaintiffs have the same right.
We have all of these plaintiffs, and all of them have an attorney, or at least I have no idea.
Some attorneys are representing more than one defendant.
Some defendants are their own attorneys, and some attorneys are representing only one entity or other.
What about plaintiffs?
The plaintiffs all under one group, the Roberta Kaplan team.
Yes, so they think.
How many attorneys are there on the Roberta Kaplan?
God only knows.
But lavishly funded.
I don't know how many are actually making appearances in court, but in terms of the amount of attorneys and secretaries and who helps an attorney in a case, what would you call that?
You would have an associate attorney or a paralegal.
Paralegal.
That's what I'm talking about.
God only knows how many they have, and they're lavishly funded to the tune of millions of dollars, I'm sure.
So you wonder, you know, is this like Nuremberg?
You know, very much like Nuremberg.
Is it like Nuremberg?
Well, not in the way that you think.
Is it like Nuremberg?
Is it all are guilty or none are guilty?
No.
Now, this is something I've been talking to other attorneys this week.
It can be like Nuremberg, and this is what I meant by asking the question where some people can be found guilty, some defendants can be found guilty, or some defendants can have a judgment visited upon them, and some can be found not guilty.
The only difference is nobody can be hung in this trial as unlike Nuremberg.
Right.
So, but like Nuremberg, and that's the reason I brought it up.
Not to make, you know, maybe I could have come up with a better comparison, but that's one that everybody will recognize.
The reason I brought it up is it's not all or nothing.
It's not everybody's innocent or nobody's guilty.
Every defendant rises or falls based on the merits of their case, their particular case.
That's absolutely right.
So you could have an instance where the jurors, when they go into deliberation, and again, it does have to be unanimous with the jury.
They could say, well, we find these people at fault and liable and these people are not.
And even deals could be struck in the jury room.
Well, hey, you could have a holdout to say, hey, you know, I don't think these guys did it.
And yet they say, well, you give us these guys and we'll let these guys go.
And that happens in court.
Well, what should happen in this is that they say, here are the allegations, the torts supposedly committed by one Jason Kessler, two Richard Spencer, this, that, and the other.
They're supposed to decide the guilt or innocence of each one of them or the liability or non-liability of each of them with a separate judgment.
You know, they're not having one judgment against all of these people.
That's right.
And it's interesting when no antiphor on trial.
I mean, you mentioned, I mean, you got to get through this before you can seek counterclockwise.
They could have brought counterclaims had they wanted to, but they apparently decided for strategic reasons not to.
Well, again, according to the city of Charlottesville's own investigator, a former federal prosecutor, the people at fault were the people that are the plaintiffs in this case, and the defendants were the predominantly innocent party.
It's just interesting, though, that they could lie about this to the extent that they have.
Look, forget the media.
I mean, we know the media is an echo chamber.
They're writing these stories for each other.
It's completely controlled.
They speak with one voice.
White supremacist, Nazi, you know, ad nauseum.
Every article is going to have that.
But that's not law.
That shouldn't have.
I mean, they're hoping that it will have an effect to put pressure on these jurors, but they're lying about it all.
And it's going to be interesting to see when the evidence comes out in this court.
You know, the photographic evidence, the video evidence, the video evidence.
I have watched counts hours of chronological video evidence, and it's just, it shows beyond shadow of a doubt what was going on here.
Now, again, did some of the people get out of hand for the United Right people?
Probably so.
I don't know.
I don't know everybody there, but I know that the defendants didn't.
I didn't see Richard Spencer get out of hand.
I didn't see Jason Kessler get out of hand.
I didn't see them instigating violence.
It's a very, very tenuous suit here.
And the plaintiffs have got the hope that the societal pressure being placed on the jury is going to lead them to a big exposure.
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The darkness must go down the river of night's dreaming.
In tonight, over the Frankenstein grave.
But in the fireplace, there's a light in the darkness of everybody.
Folks, don't take our word for it.
Listen to the trial for yourself, and we've given you the information on how you can do just that.
And boy, I'm telling you, I remember my grandmother watching court TV so much and for so long that when we would change the channel from the O.J. Simpson trial, the court TV logo would still be emblazoned on those big, bulbous big screen TVs they used to make back in the 90s.
And if I could watch that, if I could watch this one, I sure would, but I can listen to it, and I am, and you should too.
Just keep before you comment: it looks as though the plaintiffs have untold millions at their disposal.
We'll see if facts and evidence can derail them.
And another participant at the United Right rally texting me right now saying all the violence I saw was defense or retaliatory coming from the Unite the Right attendees.
Very quickly, Keith, we got too much to cover and only two segments to go tonight.
Hold on.
Yeah, go, Yeah, you're good.
Okay.
No, you're not good.
Something's up.
Okay, let's see what's going on.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Hold it like that.
Here's the situation.
If you can't beat them with brilliance, baffle them with BS, okay?
The left has so many different players and so many different defendants and so many different counts, I'm sure, against each one of them, that this thing is going to be a conundrum wrapped in a mystery and everything else.
It is just basically going to wear out the jury.
The jury, the people that are watching it are going to all be begging for relief before it's all over with.
And that's, you know, I think that's probably part of the plan of the plaintiffs.
Want people to just basically start tuning out all of this stuff and say, let's get to the very end of it because this trial could go on for months and months and probably will.
And what is planned, one sure result is going to be it's going to bankrupt these defendants, and it would bankrupt virtually any American citizen.
And this is the best way to suppress people from exercising their First Amendment rights.
Make it so.
That's what's going on.
That's exactly what's going on.
If you want to be dragged from pillar to post, beaten, worn out, this is the way to do it.
Basically, get a permit, try to follow the law, try to exercise your constitutional rights, and this is what will happen to you.
This is unfortunately what American justice has come to today.
So, again, it was self-defense or retaliatory from the United Right participants, according to the eyewitness accounting of who we've got here informing us right now.
So, one thing I will say, and again, we're trying to be as fair and balanced as we can about this, which is a novelty I know in media.
One of the things that I think hurt the defendants is the fact that in the opening arguments for the plaintiffs, they were able to put forth some text messages and some discussion form comments, and even in the case of Richard Spencer, an ill-tempered ranting in the moments after the events of August 12th, 2017.
And I think when Richard was at the height of his emotions, he was saying, you know, we need to go back to Charlottesville.
We need to burn the town down.
Well, that is constitutionally defended free speech, by the way.
And there is, I was talking with Sam Dixon earlier this week.
There is a precedent for things like that.
That's called hyperbole, if you don't know.
That does not show proof of a conspiracy or proof that you intended harm or had basically shows proof that you lost your temper.
That's exactly right, Keith.
And it doesn't show proof of a premeditated plan to go there and cause violence or of course that was not acted upon.
Nobody did any of those things in Charlotte.
Everybody does that, by the way.
I mean, who, you know, when you're cut off in traffic and you scream, you know, I wish I could kill that guy for that.
I mean, you don't really mean it.
If somebody in a sport beats your team at the last second, you say, oh, I wish he'd die.
Well, you don't mean that.
That's hyperbole.
But this is what I think.
This is a big thing.
This was their first thing out of the gate.
They led with this because this is the hardest evidence they've got.
And it's nothing.
Everybody says, by the way, I mean, for God's sake.
And is that a conspiracy?
That is one actor making a comment.
That's not.
That is people who lost their temper after what was without question a conspiracy, a true conspiracy between the state of Virginia, the law enforcement, and city government of Charlottesville to ensure that violence took place there.
You had people who lost their temper after that and said some things that, of course, now looks bad in hindsight now that they're in court.
But I think I saw just this week, just this week, a professor.
Oh, God, let me find this thing.
It was a professor at Rutgers that said something about all white people needing to be killed or die or something along the line.
I have it in front of you.
I'm not a white professor of black studies.
They say that stuff all the time.
You know, why didn't she on trial?
Then if that's the best you've got, Antifa BLM does this incessantly.
And they're not on trial.
But it is a convoluted trial with the different defendants.
They were saying, well, Jason Kessler said, let's bring an army to Charlottesville.
Okay, again, rhetorical hyperbole.
Let's put Pat Buchanan on trial.
You remember Pat, our good friend, who's made many appearances on this show, who gave me my start in politics?
Pat Buchanan was the leader of the Buchanan Brigades, and we were going to take the Buchanan Brigades and we were going to march on Washington.
Did he really mean that we were going to sack Washington?
Was he asking for an armed revolt?
Of course.
That's the thing.
You're taking an army.
That is political rhetoric that everybody in every campaign uses.
And that's, but again, that's the biggest thing that they've got in terms of the plaintiffs, to the best of my knowledge, at least that I've seen so far.
And so that's interesting.
But again, all of that is constitutionally protected free speech.
Losing your temper, losing your cool, and saying things in the heat of the moment after a great injustice was visited upon you.
That doesn't mean that you actually meant to go there and cause harm.
And saying we're going to take an army to Charlottesville, you better put on every candidate that's ever run for elections.
The army means a lot of people.
That's exactly right.
And again, remember, this thing has to be unanimous with the jury.
So stay tuned and we'll see where it goes.
Now, you want to chime in on anything, Keith?
Well, what I'd like to say is this: what is happening here is that people cannot exercise their First Amendment rights.
Brad Griffin said that now, because of not only can you not, you know, have anything to do with violence, you can't even have anything to do with peaceful protest anymore.
They're basically trying to suppress any expression of opposition to the leftist agenda that they have in mind for America.
And it's a crazy, unhinged agenda that they're trying to force on the American people against their will.
Now, we don't need to react in any way.
I think Brad Griffin said the best activism at the current time is no activism.
The left is praying for another Emmett Till.
They're praying for another Dylan Roof.
But white people are not cooperating.
So they tried to turn the police into Dylan Roof.
And it's not working.
The people of America know that the police are not hunting down black people wantonly and killing them, even though a lot of black people have had unpleasant experiences with the police.
Now, whatever you do, don't fall for their trap.
This is what the left is trying to do.
But on the other hand, it is an outrage that people on the right cannot express protest to government policies like taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee.
That's what the Unite the Right protest was about.
If you can't do that, my goodness, you know, that see, we've lost all sense of perspective with this.
And we're treating people that have a perfectly legitimate right to protest a perfectly extreme position on the left be treated as if they are common criminals.
It's crazy.
We're going to take a break.
We'll talk about the judge in this case, and we'll wrap up our coverage with that for tonight.
We're going to continue to cover this every week.
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Anyone ever had less money this year than you had last?
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That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut.
If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
Who are they?
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Who are they?
Democrats.
Who are they?
Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money.
So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere.
The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning.
What's the day of reckoning?
The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar.
When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.
You know where the solution can be found, Mr. President?
In churches, in wedding chapels, in maternity wards across the country and around the world.
More babies will mean forward-looking adults, the sort we need to tackle long-term, large-scale problems.
American babies in particular are likely going to be wealthier, better educated, and more conservation-minded than children raised in still industrializing countries.
As economist Tyler Cowan recently wrote, quote, by having more children, you're making your nation more populous, thus boosting its capacity to solve climate change.
The planet does not need for us to think globally and act locally so much as it needs us to think family and act personally.
The solution to so many of our problems at all times and in all places is to fall in love, get married, and have some kids.
It's not turned me to make the grass tune ready.
And put booty hair on ground the ball head.
He made the moon back up.
He even pushed back time.
He took the TV out of the field.
Freeman Jay Hawkins with a little demon here on this Halloween Eve.
Welcome back to the show.
One more segment on our coverage of the first week of the Charlottesville trial.
And we will continue this coverage until the trial is over.
Okay, no matter how it ends, we will continue this coverage.
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Let's talk a little bit about the judge.
No, no, no, let's not do that.
Let's first share this.
This is something that Jason Kessler posted this week, and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up with, just swelled with pride, really.
I mean, if you are a decent, honest, law-abiding citizen, you got to be standing with these guys.
This is what Jason Kessler, the scripture he quoted, and it's Psalms chapter 43, verses 1 and 2: Vindicate me, O God, and defend my cause against an ungodly people.
From the deceitful and unjust man, deliver me, for you are the God in whom I take refuge.
And yes, indeed, we all stand together behind that, that's for sure.
The judge that's going to have a hand in this deliverance, well, to the extent that a judge can have a hand in a civil case like this, I guess.
But I mean, no more, no less than any other case.
Well, they can have a lot.
Well, but certainly, you know, it's a little bit different than my libel case where it was determined by a panel of judges and it never went before a jury.
This is a jury case.
I have a motion to dismiss.
It was your case.
We have a jury trial here, but believe me, the judges' biases against one side or for another can have a great, great effect on the results in the case.
So, with that being said, and I've listened to this trial nearly in its entirety for the first week, and I think the judge has been even-handed.
Now, I'm a layman.
What I heard as a layman may have been heard very differently by a veteran trial attorney.
But what I heard sounded even-handed and fair.
He has a very aristocratic Virginia-type accent.
So, I was struck by his accent, so much so that I looked him up.
And the name of the judge in this case is Norman Moon.
I was about to say Warren Moon.
That was the Warren Moon.
No, but Norman Moon.
And he is the senior trial judge for the Western District of Virginia, this federal court jurisdiction.
He's 85 years old, all right, and he is a Clinton appointee from 1997.
So, an old Southern Democrat, I guess you could say, not necessarily in terms of ideology, but he's an old Southern Democrat.
I mean, literally.
And the first thing that I found out about this judge was that he ran afoul of the Southern Poverty Law Center in a decision that he made involving a case in the mid-2000s pertaining to Kevin Strom, who was formerly with, I believe, it was National Alliance or National Vanguard or both.
So, anyway, I don't know.
I mean, again, that's like reading tea leaves and putting your finger in your mouth and testing the winds.
But that's what we've got there.
He seems to be respectful and likable based upon what I've heard.
I think he's treated both sides fairly.
And that's really, I guess, all you could ask for a judge is to stick to procedure and stick to law and let the chips fall where they may.
Believe me, the acid test will be what evidence he allows to get in and whether he lets a as you call it, he he or he report to come in in one way or another.
I think, though, Keith, even more than that, and I think he will do that.
I would be shocked if he didn't.
But More than the judge and more than any evidence, I think that the defendants' attorneys will have a pretty easy time proving that there was no conspiracy by the defendants to commit violence or to inflict harm upon that day.
I mean, there have been so many rallies in defense of Southern Heritage monuments and flags and things like that across the South.
Never before until Charlottesville, until Antifund BLM descended upon this particular demonstration, was there ever anything like this.
But I think what it's going to come down.
I don't think any of that is going to come in.
Well, what it's going to come down to is this, and this is just a matter of fact, and I'm sure everybody knows this.
It's going to come down to the societal pressure aided and abetted by the media and the threats of violence that the jury or some particular individual jurors may be concerned about.
I remember we said at the very beginning that these people aren't sequestered, so somebody can call them up in the middle of the night and make a threat.
All right, so that's the thing.
And they're going to have to know.
I mean, I think this is a little bit different than the Chauvin case.
That's criminal.
This is civil.
That dealt with a death.
This is a little bit different.
I mean, I guess, yes, you could say Heather Heyer died.
I think she died because the city of Charlottesville didn't make sure that the people dispersed.
I think if anybody was responsible for her death, it was certainly not Jason Kessler, Jason Kessler, for legally obtaining a permit to defend the monument of the greatest American, Robert E. Lee, in my opinion, the greatest American.
If anybody was responsible for Heather Heyer's death, it was number one, Heather Heyer, for going there.
I'm sorry that she died.
It's a tragedy.
Anytime somebody dies, it's a tragedy.
But she infused herself in that situation.
It wasn't as though she was just standing on the sidewalk minding her own business.
She got to go.
She chose.
Well, no, no, look.
She chose to go to the protest.
Okay, so that's one thing.
She knew that it was going to be flared tempers and all of that.
And this was hours after the club.
Nobody should have known that this thing would devolve into the well.
By then, she knew that, though, because this was a couple of hours after the police had declared, or rather, the state of Virginia had declared a state of emergency that they had dispersed the crowds.
This was a long time after the rally was called off.
She still chose to be there and stay there.
If anybody's responsible for that, besides, you know, the driver of the car, it's the police force of the city of Charlottesville.
And I'm sorry that she died, and I don't make light of her death, but that's the truth.
That's the people that are responsible for that.
The people that are the defendants here, they're being accused of a conspiracy.
All they did, if they did anything, was defend themselves against unwarranted and unprovoked violence.
And I think that the defense attorneys have so much evidence of violence being visited upon the plaintiffs, or excuse me, visited upon themselves by not necessarily the plaintiffs individually, but the anti-fund, the BLM.
And so it's going to come down, though, I think, to this societal.
I mean, society expects a decision against the defendants, and they expect massive judgments against the defendants.
So they're going to have to hope.
Hope.
That's right.
That's right.
The media that speaks for society.
Not necessarily the people, but the solons of society.
And the jury's going to know that.
And they're going to know that if they buck the media and if they buck the system, they buck the regime, that there's going to be some threats there.
And there's going to be some risks taken there.
We have to hope that they have so seen over the course of the last couple of years all of this mostly peaceful protesting where the type of people who are being represented by the plaintiffs have burned down city after city, Portland, Oregon, the anarchy in Portland and Seattle, Chaz and CHOP and all that.
There has to be one person on that jury that's going to, at least one, that stands strong.
Whites can easily be bowled over.
We've seen whites cape time and time again.
And even for honest African Americans or non-whites on the jury, they still have to go back home to their neighborhoods.
Hey, were you one of the ones that voted not to put a $50 billion judgment against Jason Kessler?
Well, yeah, the facts didn't add up.
No, they still have to leave in this community.
So there is pressure upon these people.
We have to hope.
We have to hope that they're honest enough to do the right thing here.
Well, basically, what this whole lawsuit is about is demoralizing peaceful protests against the leftist agenda.
That's what it all is about.
They want to show these defendants and saying, look what happened to these people when they tried to stand up against leftist tyranny and leftist authoritarianism.
And basically, the conclusion they want all law-abiding Americans to draw is that I don't want any part of that.
I'm going to keep my head and not do that.
I mean, they're bringing up like everybody who was there was a white supremacist, a neo-Nazi, whatever these terms mean, okay?
Racist, bigot, homophobe.
I know that there were homeschooling mothers there.
I know there were retired military, retired Marines.
I mean, really good people who were there.
Trump spoke the truth in that regard.
Well, exactly.
If anything, he laid it low.
He played it soft.
He said on both sides, but let me tell you, on the other side.
On the right-wing side, there were plenty of good people, plenty of honest, law-abiding Americans who basically were victimized because the authorities of Charlottesville and Virginia did not do their jobs.
So the first week of this trial is over.
And by the way, this is interesting to show where the current political climate may be in the state of Virginia.
The state of Virginia has gone blue the last couple of presidential election cycles, but it looks like the Republican nominee for governor is going to beat Terry McAuliffe, who had a hand in this conspiracy in Charlottesville, what I think and believe to be a conspiracy, and to deny the constitutional rights of the permit holders, Jason Kessler.
This is what the left has done, James.
They have overplayed their hands.
It's so much better that Trump did not win this election, that we allowed the left to win, that we let the great pretender, Joe Biden, become the president and let the nation see just exactly what these people have in mind for America.
All right, well, listen, we're going to pause it right there because we're going to get into in the third hour the history of Halloween.
Stay tuned for that.
Courtney from Alabama, our good friend's going to be with us, and we're going to have a good time.
It can't be all news like this all the time.
You have to have a little moment of levity and fellowship and good, you know, good-natured conversation.
But we will continue to cover this trial wherever it goes for as long as it goes here on TPC.