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	You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
	The political cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
	And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to tonight's live broadcast this Saturday evening, October the 10th.
	It is an embarrassment of riches tonight on TPC from one Titan to the next.
	We go.
	Jared Taylor in the first hour.
	Peter Brimilow now back with us for the second hour.
	Peter Brimelow, of course, is the editor of VDAIR.com and the author of the best-selling book, Alien Nation, Common Sense about America's Immigration Disaster Immigration will be on the docket this hour.
	Peter, welcome back.
	Great to have you.
	Thank you for having me, James.
	Appreciate it.
	Well, we were talking earlier, and we'll ask the question again, with Election Day now less than four weeks away.
	If you were advising the president, what must Trump do now to best ensure his chances for re-election?
	Ha.
	Well, you know, it's always the same for us at VDARE.com, James.
	You know, we've said that he ought to just emphasize the need to maintain the immigration moratorium, which he has in fact enacted through immunity methods.
	But he also has to campaign on it.
	For example, when the Democrats are asking a debate, the Democratic candidates are asked to debate about healthcare.
	He should immediately say, well, you've said you're going to extend free health care to the 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants who you're going to amnesty in.
	And who's going to pay for this?
	American taxpayer.
	But I mean, we know that Trump's not going to do that.
	He appears to be in the grip of the Kushnero of Axis and they want to keep immigration out of the debate.
	But it is extraordinary because he has actually done this.
	I mean, as I was saying earlier, they have succeeded through immersive methods and dramatically reducing the legal immigrant inflow.
	And the immigrant population, the immigrant worldfrost population in the U.S., has been falling now for 13 months.
	Of course, it could easily be reversed if the executive branch changes hands.
	But he has done it.
	The funny thing is he's not campaigning on it.
	And that, as much as any issue, perhaps more than any issue, is what catapulted him into the White House four years ago.
	And so that's the thing.
	I mean, that's extraordinary if you think about it, you know.
	I mean, and people don't think about it because they don't want to think about it.
	But all he did was, he said in his announcement speech, he was critical of Mexican illegal immigration.
	And at that point, he took the lead in the polls, and he never looked back.
	And yet, that's just simply not been assimilated by the political tax.
	They don't really well, exactly.
	I mean, you would think you would go back to what worked before.
	But, I mean, as you mentioned, Peter, I mean, V-Dair has been talking about it for years and years.
	It's the bread and butter there.
	And rightly so.
	I was talking with Pat Buchanan on this very show over a decade ago.
	And he was saying the key to electoral success for the Republicans is to, in his own words, on this very program, go hunting where the ducks are.
	So Vidair has published information to this effect that the Republicans can actually compete well into the mid-century mark if they would just up their percentage of the white vote.
	And that is really what's been so maddening.
	I was talking with Jared about this in the first hour.
	What's so maddening about covering the Trump administration or President Trump himself is that he has such high highs.
	He does things that no other elected official would do, all the way down to dog catcher.
	He does it as the sitting president of the United States.
	And then he does something as entirely nonsensical as this platinum plan to try to pull his black vote totals up out of the single digits.
	Going hunting where the ducks are, competing into the mid-century.
	Why won't Trump do that?
	You're completely correct.
	I mean, we started looking at this question in 2000, just about the same time that VDA was founded.
	At that stage, there was this tremendous conventional wisdom, which the Republicans, of course, bought, that they had to appeal to minority outreach.
	Well, we looked at the numbers and we found that the problem is that the public had is that they simply won't get behind getting a high enough white share.
	And so you'd hear people say, for example, that California is now out of reach for Republicans because of immigration.
	When you look at the numbers, you found that the Republican presidential candidates were not getting a majority of the white vote in California.
	The demographics of California are not that much different from Texas.
	But what happens in Texas is that the whites vote heavily Republican, not as heavily Republicans in the deep south, but they do vote heavily Republican.
	And for some reason, they weren't able to do that in California, largely because they don't make an explicit appeal to the white vote.
	So for about 20 years, well, 15 years, we were saying this.
	And Steve Shaley, in particular, who was written for the law, was arguing that the real targets of opportunities were in the Midwest and so on.
	And then suddenly Trump comes along and does this.
	He did somehow implicitly appeal to the white vote.
	And that's why he won in 2016.
	Now, the really weird thing is, having done that, he doesn't seem to be continuing it.
	He certainly made, I mean, he's done nothing on a legislative front on immigration.
	He's not cut immigration back legislatively.
	He's not, you know, he endorsed the Rays Act, which are half legal immigration, but they made no effort to force it through.
	He's done nothing about birthright citizenship.
	He didn't abolish the refugee statutes, which bring, you know, which allow people to import vast numbers of expedients, substituted legal and politically favored legal immigrants.
	Now, he has, you know, this is typical of him.
	He has dramatically reduced the refugee inflow.
	Obama's plan to have 120,000 in his last year, and Trump was going down to 10,000.
	And that has a very dramatic effect because it's basically defunding a large area of the right left.
	But all these various leftist NGOs, you know, no government, non-government entities, which were in the business of importing refugees, dumping on the local welfare system, and then leaving, paying themselves vast amounts of money in the process.
	And they've been completely defunded and devastated by this development.
	But still, it could be reversed.
	The statue wasn't attacked.
	And, you know, that's a very distressing thing.
	Well, for any faults that the president might have when compared to his exhilarating candidacy, I think we can all agree, certainly, that he is the far superior choice to Joe Biden.
	Now, we're coming up very nearly on our first break of the hour, but we'll try to shoehorn this in and we can certainly continue it after the break.
	But a Biden presidency, Peter, and correct me if I'm wrong, the way I see it would equate to unlimited immigration.
	You know, we've heard the thing about there's room here for 1 billion Americans, and what that means presumably is that the balance between the number of our population now and 1 billion will become exclusively from the third world.
	Are we looking at a complete immigration apocalypse if Joe Biden wins?
	Yeah, it's an immigration.
	It's an immigration surge.
	They will increase legal immigration.
	There will amnesty in 1120 million.
	Well, and right on cue, there is the music.
	We'll repose this question to you when we come back so you can have a little more time to answer it before we continue on what will be a riveting hour of talk radio.
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	Before the break, Peter, we were talking about the contrast between Trump and Biden with any disappointment we might have with Trump when compared to the alternative, we better pray that he pulls another rabbit out of the hat and wins re-election.
	Or what will happen with regards to the immigration question, which to me, to me, is the question, the most important question.
	Demographics is destiny.
	We all know that.
	What happens if Biden's elected on that issue?
	I mean, what they'll do is what they'll plan to do in 2016, they'll just swamp out the historic American nation.
	They'll bring in enormous numbers of immigrants who they are confident will vote Democratic through amnesty, which of course will trigger a lot of further wave immigration because of the family reunification farce and through those relaxed controls of the border and they'll increase legal immigration and they'll also dramatically increase refugee settlements,
	which is very useful for them because they can plant these refugees in American areas as they have done, for example, in Maine.
	They've converted Lewiston, Maine into a Somali enclave.
	And that's what they're doing well.
	They'll simply target American communities all around the country and dump these third world refugees on them.
	So they're going to try and not knock the U.S., not knock the U.S., the historic American nation out.
	And they have lots of others plans as well.
	For example, they want to carve out new states in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands and so on to make sure that they can institutionalize the leftist majority.
	Well, Peter, you and I were also talking earlier today, pre-show, about the whole gambit of making DC a state so they can sneak in two more Democratic senators.
	And you had a pretty good response to that.
	Well, you know, one thing that really is about American political debate, James, is that, you know, we're not allowed to have ideas.
	They get to have ideas about all kinds of all the things they want to do to us, such as, for example, packing the Supreme Court or impeaching justices all the wrong way.
	I think we're proposing to do the time of Obama.
	We don't get to have new ideas.
	But I have a lot of new ideas.
	I mean, one of them is, I think all of these states bounders should be redrawn to carve out American majorities.
	And one of them is we should settle this question of DC by simply putting it into Maryland or into Northern Virginia or something, you know, carve out a new state.
	And Puerto Rico should be thrown out of the union.
	Make it be independent the way the Czechs through the Slovaks out of the Union or the Malayans, Malaysians through Singapore out of their federation.
	You know, let's settle this question once and for all.
	And I have a lot of interesting ideas as well, for example.
	I think we should not only institute, but abolish both of our citizenship, the ability of people born in the U.S. from illegal immigrant parents remotely immediately count as citizens.
	We should abolish that, of course.
	And Trump talked about it, but hasn't actually done it.
	But it should be done retroactively.
	I mean, let's go back to 1965 and say anybody who was born here after illegal immigrant parents is no longer a citizen.
	Why not?
	They would do this.
	Why can't we do it?
	Similarly, I don't see any reason why we can't extend the period of the waiting period for citizenship.
	Why does it have to be five years?
	Why can't it be 20 years?
	It was briefly 15 years, I believe, during the in the late 18th century.
	Go ahead, I'm sorry.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're the guest, so by all means, you take the floor.
	But I was just going to say, and I posed this rhetorical question to you earlier, that is, of course, the overlords of our society are the practitioners of diversity, but they don't value diversity of opinion.
	And in fact, they punish diversity of opinion.
	And as we know all too well.
	But I wanted to ask you this with regards to the immigration question.
	We all know, of course, demographics is a racial headcount by and large.
	But this is something that not a lot of people are talking about.
	I had the opportunity at almost exactly this time four years ago.
	I believe it was the second week of October in 2016.
	So it would be about two weeks prior to Election Day 2016.
	I was actually up in Michigan.
	I was there to give a speech, and I also appeared on a television program in Michigan.
	Trump won Michigan that year by 10,000 votes, Peter.
	And I'm trying to find my numbers here.
	And this was from one of the ubiquitous Twitter commentators.
	But this is an underappreciated senior voter dynamic.
	Four million senior citizens die every single year in America.
	So by Election Day 2020, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Trump 2016 senior voters will be dead.
	He won Michigan by 10,000 votes.
	Similar swing states hang by such a razor-thin margin.
	How many of those seniors who might have passed away?
	How does that factor in with the demographic and immigration question?
	And does Trump even stand a numerical chance of winning when you factored that in?
	You know, I think, well, all of that will be swamped if you can just simply increase his share of the white vote.
	Trump's share of the white vote in 2016 was not actually all that great.
	It was like 567%, I believe.
	Now, there were two third parties won in that year, who took predominantly white votes.
	So the Democrats share the white vote was very low.
	In fact, for the first time, I believe, a majority of voters for the Democrat presidential candidate were non-white.
	And that's a dramatic development.
	And to explain the peculiar course that their politics have taken, why have they got Camera Harris, who is a very weak presidential candidate?
	Why was she shoehorned in by the Democratic establishment?
	Because they feel the need to hold on to this non-white vote, which they don't really understand.
	Well, they know that the no is there.
	So, as I say, the issue that Trump's got is why can't he please share the Y-Vote?
	I'm afraid the reason for this is that he's simply not done enough to do it.
	And of course, that means on the one hand, we should have had to fight for the last four years on whether or not he was going to cut legal immigration, whether or not he was going to, by statutory methods, abolish birthright citizenship.
	And he just didn't do it.
	Now, it's part because the Senate Republicans, the congressional Republicans, didn't want to do it.
	But of course, he could have forced them to do it.
	He could have made it an issue.
	And he's not made it an issue.
	And therefore, he's not resonating as much as I think he should have done.
	He could have done with the white population in America.
	That's to say, the American population in America.
	And that's very, very unfortunate.
	Based upon the current trajectory, Peter, can he win in four weeks?
	Can he win?
	You know, I've given up trying to predict these things, James, you know, after Brexit, I think, after Trump in 2016, and actually even after Boris Johnson's re-election.
	Yes, I think he can win.
	It's looking increasingly difficult, and he's not helping himself.
	I think this stupid platinum plan, which was an utterly ridiculous appeal, attempt to appeal to blind votes who aren't going to vote for him anyway.
	All for that much, I don't think he helped himself by disavowing Proud Boys on Sean Hans last Friday.
	I mean, we should talk about it.
	Well, all I have to say was, you know, the Proud Boys, whatever else they are, they're a multiracial group.
	Hold on right there, Peter Brimelow.
	I will tell you this: Peter Brimilow and I shared the stage at Amrin in 2016, and I predicted in the spring of that year that Trump would win in an electoral landslide.
	That was before anyone thought he would.
	And I was right about that.
	I do not feel, Peter just alluded to it, as confident this time.
	So much more to talk about.
	And we will continue this conversation.
	We'll pick up with the Proud Boys when we come back.
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	We were talking about with Peter, the founding editor of VDARE.com, the author of Alien Nation, about the Proud Boys before the last break.
	You know, that was an interesting thing, Peter, with the first and perhaps only debate it's going.
	Who knows?
	Trump, it was a classic moment.
	He sidestepped the gotcha question in the two-on-one debate with Chris Wallace and Joe Biden about the Proud Boys.
	Well, really, it was a question about the phantom spectra of white supremacy.
	And when he asked, who are we talking about here?
	And in so many words, Biden offered the Proud Boys.
	So the Proud Boys have become the personification or the manifestation of white supremacy on this continent.
	And, you know, as you mentioned before the break, they are a multi-racial group.
	I am generally in favor of the Proud Boys, but I'll tell you this.
	They are so-called Western chauvinists.
	They, as it was offered by someone earlier this week, they would embrace literally any identity as part of Western civilization save one.
	And we both know which one that is.
	And it's the only one, the one that far and away matters the most, whether it's homosexuality or whatever.
	They would say, yes, that's a part of Western civilization.
	There is one component of Western civilization, though, that is a third rail to them.
	They will not touch it.
	So it was interesting to me that that group, it's sort of like to me, and you, by all means, feel free to disagree with me.
	To me, it's the Tea Party with guns.
	If that's what white supremacy means in this day and age the proud boys, I don't think they carry guns.
	All they do is they will physically confront Antifa.
	And of course, that's what they want that to happen because it wants to use Antifa as a club to beat down all opposition.
	You know what?
	You're right about that.
	I was just going to say very, very quickly, I was mistaking them with the oath keepers with regard to that.
	So you're correct.
	Continue.
	Well, I've known Gavin for more than 20 years, and he actually was with Vice, and he's a very successful entrepreneur in this kind of hipster genre that he had and magazine.
	And he actually reached out to me because he was interested in bdare.com and he started writing for us.
	It upset his colleagues so much that they actually had intervention with him to stop writing for B-Dare.
	Because, you know, of course, we're not actually an extremist that we were just in favor of immigration reduction.
	And eventually they forced him out of Vice, and they had to pay him off the money to do that.
	And he went off into other entrepreneurial endeavors with their own problems.
	But the thing about the Proud Boys is, he explicitly set the Proud Boys up as a multiracial group.
	He explicitly disavowed, you know, more hardline groups or groups that was alleged to hard line.
	He wouldn't let his people go to the Charlottesville, Charlottesville.
	You know, and it didn't do him no good at all.
	No good at all.
	He's still regarded as a white supremacist.
	And the goddamn press couldn't even defend him.
	You know, I mean, I just don't understand what Trump was thinking of in including them when he was on Sean Harvey.
	White supremacist.
	That's the thing.
	No, I was just going to say very, very quickly, Peter, that's the thing.
	I mean, Trump appointed himself, I think, quite well during the debate, which was viewed by upwards of 80 million people.
	He sidestepped the question in classic Trump fashion, as he did so many times back in 2015 and 16.
	But then he offered the very tepid, almost tongue-in-cheek in a way.
	He said, I disavow the Proud Boys.
	I know nothing about them, almost nothing, but I disavow them anyway.
	I mean, it's sort of a Trump-esque way.
	Right.
	But it was certainly.
	Well, you know, if you look at one of the things about the Trump administration, it's totally full of no-goodness.
	You know, the Jews called no-goodness.
	People are useless and terrible.
	And so, for example, after he said this in the debate, immediately various Trump aides started to undercut him.
	And in particular, this juke, Hogan Gidley, who was a part of the press for the entire campaign, actually said it on camera that the Proud Boys are a reprehensible group.
	It's undercutting the present there.
	So the present is entirely surrounded by people who are just absolutely no good.
	And exactly the same thing happened to Charlottesville.
	If you read the books when published, Fire and Fury and so on, about Charlottesville, Trump instinctively knew that the narrative about Charlottesville was all wrong.
	As you and I both know, what happened to Charlottesville was a purpose, a peaceful demonstration attacked by Antifa.
	And the police refused to defend it.
	The mainstream media lied about it.
	And it was a disaster.
	And he knew that instinctively.
	He didn't want to condemn both sides.
	But everybody in the White House was desperately condemned both sides.
	They just wanted to run for cover.
	So, you know, Trump, you have to give him credit for his instincts, but he doesn't follow through on them.
	And whether that's going to be exactly right now.
	That's the maddening thing.
	I mean, I want to root for the guy.
	I do root for the guy.
	I'm voting for him.
	I mean, I have made it clear now in certain terms.
	We endorse him.
	We need his re-election.
	I think we need to buy the time.
	It's certainly better than the alternative.
	It has been maddening, though.
	I think his instincts are there, but the follow-through lacks.
	Right.
	You know, I was very struck by this book, Team of Vipers, by this Alabama that got himself into the Republican, into the Trump campaign.
	I've forgotten his name now.
	I could look at us in a second.
	But he said that all of the White House Trump was in New Jersey at the time of Charlottesville at the United Right rally.
	Steve Bannon was already off the train.
	He wasn't invited to New Jersey.
	He was already off the train.
	But this guy said that nobody in the White House had the least idea that something was going to happen in Charlottesville.
	They were taken completely by surprise by it.
	Now, we at V Dair, we weren't invited to go to Charlottesville.
	We didn't attend.
	We didn't go to Charlottesville.
	We weren't invited to speak.
	We didn't go.
	We didn't publicize it.
	You know, we were completely out of that loop.
	Not that it made the least difference.
	We would still be platformed by PayPal and so on.
	But we knew something was going to happen.
	Everyone knew something was going to happen.
	I was actually honest to be perfectly frank.
	Oh, Chris Sims is the guy's name.
	He works for Yellow Hammer.
	He invented this Yellow Hammer website in Alabama.
	I mean, we all knew that it was going to go.
	Something was going to happen.
	And we told our friends not to go because we thought for reasons which I don't necessarily need to go into right now, it was going to be a disaster.
	You know, but they didn't know.
	Well, they're in the White House, for God's sake.
	I mean, they're supposed to be watching right-wing politics.
	But, you know, I forget now, James, were you there?
	No, I wasn't there, but we did.
	I was not there, but we covered it.
	And we covered it.
	We had live reports from the scene the day of the event.
	We broadcast live on Saturday night.
	So we had people there calling in.
	It was probably our best show ever.
	You know, what we did was we started to be there.
	We started covering after it happened.
	And we said that this whole thing is a setup and, you know, basically, you know, feels quite obvious.
	You should never have been convicted.
	And the whole thing was a mainstream media ramp, which is what Trump instinctively knew.
	It was a racket by the mainstream media.
	But you know what?
	Dicey was a dry run for what they're doing now.
	They've been able to completely suppress what is actually happening in these 200 cities, these 600 riots.
	And it's actually been by communist vigilantes, many of whom are actually related to Democrats.
	I mean, if you remember, the son of Kane, the vice presidential nominee, Clinton's vice presidential nominee, was actually arrested for being involved in an anti-far riot.
	And of course, he was given probation and nothing was done to him.
	The child, the daughter of the mayor of New York, children of the mayor of Minneapolis and the governor of Minnesota, have all been arrested for being involved in the anti-far riots.
	There are these people intimately, integrally involved with the Democratic elite, and that's why the Democratic elite won't condemn them.
	Now, my question, of course, is why do I have to point this out?
	Why isn't the Trump campaign pointing this out?
	Well, is that a rhetorical question, or would you like to answer it?
	What do you think?
	Probably rhetoric.
	Well, I can go into any number of levels of weeds and answer that for you.
	But it is an interesting question, nonetheless.
	I mean, my favorite explanation, my favourite explanation, frankly, James, is stupidity.
	I mean, there's an awful lot of people in this little professional Republicans who are just brain dead.
	And they actually do.
	We were all at the announcement.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to, we were all at the inauguration.
	You know, you were there, I was there, Jared was there, you know, all of the people on the air tonight were there.
	And it was nothing else with it.
	Well, no.
	But he, right after that, or perhaps even immediately before, began to surround himself and insulate himself with these people who have led him down this path to, you know, perhaps destruction here in just a couple of weeks.
	Well, anyway, ladies and gentlemen, we got one more segment.
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	But I am proud to have once been called the worst person in the world by Keith Olbermann back when he was still a commentator on MSNBC some years ago.
	Peter, this is Keith Olbermann just this week.
	Let's take a quick listen.
	Trump can be and must be expunged.
	The hate he has triggered, the Pandora's box he has opened, they will not be so easily destroyed.
	So let us brace ourselves.
	The task is twofold.
	The terrorist Trump must be defeated, must be destroyed, must be devoured at the ballot box.
	And then he and his enablers and his supporters and his collaborators and the Mike Lees and the William Barr's and the Sean Hannity's and the Mike Pence's and the Rudy Giulianis and the Kyle Rittenhouses and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and to rebuild the world Trump has nearly destroyed.
	All right, Peter, that is, you know, you expect commentary like that from the most radical and most unhinged of left-wing blogs.
	That is a man who is establishment media.
	That is an establishment liberal.
	We are completely untethered from any semblance of societal cohesion, which, frankly, becomes the fate of any multi-ethnic or multicultural population.
	But in light of this rhetoric and rhetoric like it, which we see so often now in the media, how bad are things likely to get regardless of whom wins this election?
	Oh, James, you know, I think the future of the union is extremely dark.
	I'm just looking at, I'm just looking right now while we're talking, you know, there's been a Patriot Prayer member shot and killed in Denver.
	So this third lethal assault on there was, I think, another patient prayer member killed in Portland a couple of weeks ago.
	And then at his funeral, one of these anti-far ran down and ran down, drove his car right into and knocked down one of the mourners.
	And he was in hospital with these serious brain injuries, America didn't die.
	His name has not appeared in the New York Times.
	There's no effort to follow up on what he did.
	I don't even know.
	I'm going to have to ask him to find out if the purpose is in custody.
	So, I mean, there's a low-level civil war already underway.
	The only problem is it's one way.
	All the aggression is kind of left.
	Rich and House, for example, was clearly my client trying to defend himself.
	So, so was James Fields.
	He was trying to get home and his car was blocked and attacked by an anti-farm mobile who should not have been there because the police were supposed to have cleared them out.
	It was supposed to, I mean, it's you know, it's scandalous, uh, scandalous what happened there.
	And there are many other cases.
	Uh, so, so, uh, now, the only reason I hesitate in painting a portrait of complete darkness is you know, James, uh, at all.
	And uh, I remember the Cold War.
	I remember meeting with Bill Rush, who was in the publisher's National Review, uh, in his offices in Manhattan in, I guess, 1974, 1975, uh, when he was trying to persuade Bill Reagan and Ronald Reagan to run as a third party candidate.
	And he said to me after the interview, when he realized we were on the same side, he said to me, you know, confidentially, I think all is lost, and the red flag will one day wave over the world.
	So the last opportunity of turning it all around was in 1968 when Reagan ran against Nixon for the presidency.
	And it came much closer than people realized in the convention of that year.
	And John Thurmond was the guy who delivered it to Nixon.
	In any case, but Bill said, you know, we persevere because on the one hand, you never know what's going to happen there.
	And that actually is a principal clause of his, you know, the Prussian military theorist.
	You actually never know what's going on the other side of the hill.
	The other side may just be as desperate and chaotic as you are.
	And secondly, Bill Rush has said, you know, there's theological injunctions against despair.
	And it actually did turn around.
	I mean, just four years later, Reagan was elected.
	And I'm not alive.
	It was the.
	I was born in 1980.
	I was born.
	I was.
	Thank you for asking.
	I was born in June of 1980.
	So yes, I was around.
	Well, you can't believe this turnaround, you know.
	I mean, you really can't believe the turnaround.
	And we, between 1975 and 1980, the Conservative movement in the U.S. really did think that the end had come.
	And yet, Reagan turns around very, very quickly.
	I'm not all those people who think Reagan didn't do it.
	He did a great deal.
	He defeated Russians in the Cold War and he ended inflation, which was a major threat that the economy faced, which they wanted to deal with.
	The left wanted to deal with price and wage controls, nationalization, and so on.
	So, you know, in other words, miracles happen quite often in politics.
	And maybe we'll get it.
	But we need it.
	You're so right about that, Peter.
	And we, earlier this year, we had a special series entitled Our March Around the World.
	And during the month of March, we interviewed different leaders from different European nations.
	That was our march around the world.
	And we had a former member of European Parliament on during that particular series who said something quite poignant.
	And I'll never forget it.
	Even after all these years and all these shows, he said, our ability to vote ourselves out of the current situation may have passed, but our people have not passed.
	And, you know, even to cite that now, to repeat that, elicits a great deal of emotion with me.
	I say this so often when I'm giving interviews to other hosts, when I'm not on this program and I'm giving interviews elsewhere, I just believe it, Peter, in the marrow of my bones, that even though I can't tell you exactly when it will happen, even though I can't tell you what the catalyst might be, I just don't see our people, a people so magnificent.
	Don't see us walking off the stage of history like it looks like we might right now.
	I just see us turning.
	I see us, I see us remembering who we are.
	I see that happening.
	I don't know why I see it happening.
	I don't know why I believe it, but I tell you the truth, my friend.
	I, I believe it with everything that I am, and I don't know when it'll happen, but I think it will.
	And um there's, there's hope to be had in that there, that there is hope, there should always be hope.
	I, I just believe we're going to turn it around.
	Uh, and you, you mentioned Russia.
	I mean, who could have ever imagined, in the darkest days of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, where dissidents were getting a bullet to the back of the skull wherever they were found, who would have ever believed that Russia would have the turnaround that it had?
	Who would have ever believed that dawn would ever break again in Russia?
	And yet, here they are now, perhaps the key to our survival, of our people?
	Um, it can happen, I can tell you.
	You know, in the late 80s I interviewed uh engineer, a Columbia professor called So, And Viala about about, uh Sovietologist.
	Nobody had the least idea, not the least idea on the right or the left that the Soviet thing was going to collapse uh, and yet it did collapse.
	I mean, people were taken totally by surprise by that.
	Everybody was taken by surprise by it, and and, and.
	So you know, as I say, miracles happen quite often in politics.
	We just need one and, and one can be delivered here.
	If it can happen there, it can happen here, and.
	But our people do need to rise up.
	Our people don't need to be afraid.
	Our people can't be afraid to speak their name and to be proud of who they are.
	It's the most natural and healthy thing any person uh can, can do, be proud of who you are.
	Now Peter, with uh only a minute or two remaining.
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	Columbus Days on monday, Peter.
	What does that mean to you?
	Well, we're going to run a long article about how, how you know there's this fantastic effort to extirpate Columbus, which of course, means basically extirpating extirpating uh, White America, and uh uh, as you, as you know, for more, more than 20 years 25 years, i've been in fact, it's one of my few claims to claims to fame, Wikipedia i've been always into this war against Christmas and we always said, the war against Christmas, the war against the west.
	And guess what?
	It's a war against the west and this is this.
	They'll take down Washington, then they'll change the name of Washing Dc, they intend to totally extirpate us uh, but they're not going to do it uh, not without, they're not going to do it while i'm around.
	I mean, the thing is, you know, you and we, we have.
	We, you and I both have young children, even at my incredibly advanced age and and that's really the issue, what kind of wars we're leaving to them?
	Well, it's a very fractured world right now, but the most we can do and I mentioned this at the very top of the program, I know that you are are well aware that my third child was welcomed into this world just earlier this week, baby Caroline and my second daughter, my third child.
	I will fight for her, I will defend her, I will protect her, I will raise her right.
	That's all any of us can do and we will do it and we will do it until um whatever may come comes.
	But I am hopeful, I am optimistic and with the work of people like you, champions like you, as I mentioned it earlier in our promotional uh broadcast tonight, you are a champion of the west and you have been your entire life.
	Thank you for coming on tonight.
	Thank you for the example you set, the family life you lead.
	we certainly will we look forward to the next time already ladies and gentlemen peterbrow vdair.com To wrap things up in the third hour right now.

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