Aug. 1, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The political cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
In recent months, as everyone knows, millions of so-called woke protesters, cheered on by much of the mainstream media, have been loudly calling for racial, fundamental changes in American life, radical changes.
They want the oppressive police abolished.
They demand an end to racism in American society.
They want entrenched, systematic racial inequality rooted out.
They insist on ending hierarchical privilege.
They demand an end once and for all to the gaping, persistent disparity between America's whites and blacks in living standard, educational achievement, quality of life, crime levels, so on and so forth.
And they want it now.
No justice, no peace, they chant.
Calls for radical change might be more strident and insistent than ever before in our country's history.
But these demands, says our featured guest this evening, Mark Weber, are not new.
In fact, radical regimes in other countries, he'll explain, have voiced these and similar slogans, issued solemn promises of fundamental change, and launched ambitious, far-reaching governmental and societal programs to achieve racial and socio-economic equality.
Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review, believes that we can and should learn from these records of past so-called progressive governments that tried hard to achieve those supposedly noble and lofty goals.
Mark, it is great to have you back tonight.
This is a conversation that I've been waiting to have for a few weeks now.
How are you?
Thank you, James.
As always, I'm very happy to be with you.
Thank you for the introduction.
No, I think it's very important.
And I try to stay in touch with people of the most wide diverse views about what's going on because we're going through a really historic time in American life.
And I ask people, whether they're liberal, conservative, and so forth, about all these questions.
And one question I ask to people who are basically supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement is this question.
Is this realistic?
Are these goals realistic?
And it's amazing how very few people have even considered that question.
They think we have to press ahead with these goals because they're good.
They're the right thing to do.
And they do not care or haven't really thought, as our leaders in America generally do, well, what's the record of people who've tried to achieve these goals in the past?
What's the record of progressive governments that have tried to bring about the equality that millions of Americans are demanding?
And in fact, which even Republican presidents and leaders and so-called conservatives have been saying we should try to achieve.
And so I think it's very important to try to look, as I always say we should, from a historical perspective.
What's the record?
Let's look at the record.
And on issue after issue, it's very illuminating, very enlightening to see what the actual track record is of governments and societies that have tried to bring about these goals.
One of the biggest calls that we've been hearing in recent words is weeks is to defund the police.
Basically, they say the police is so inherently oppressive, so inherently bad, so oppressive, so bad, so unfair that we have to abolish it and start all over again.
So we talk about defunding the police.
Well, very few people realize that's been tried before.
That's been done before.
In one important country, the police were considered so inherently oppressive and unjust that when a progressive government took power, one of the very first things it did was to abolish it.
Even the name police was considered offensive.
Now, what?
You say, well, when did that happen?
How was that?
That was in 1917 in Russia.
But after the Tsar abdicated in Russia in 1917, the first government that came in afterwards was the so-called provisional government.
It was a big progressive government.
And one of the first things it did was abolish the police.
They said the people should police themselves.
Power should be in the hands of the people.
And they set up, instead of the police, they set up something called the People's Militia to try to enforce law.
Then a few months later, the provisional government was overthrown by the Bolsheviks.
And the new Soviet government, it even hammered down on this.
They wanted to eliminate the last vestiges of the old bourgeois police.
And it set up what was called the Workers and Peasants Militia.
And that was the new agency that was set up.
But throughout the entire Soviet period, that's what we have.
Well, what happened, of course, is that the new militia or militia, militia in Russian, that's been in power was every bit even more oppressive, if anything, than the old Tsarist police.
But this fantasy that we can eliminate oppression and hierarchy and create this real equality is a delusional myth that millions of people have been prompted and encouraged to embrace because our leaders for years have been telling us this is what we can and should try to achieve.
And I'll have more to say, I think, about some of the track record that we can see from other countries and other societies that have tried to bring about the very goals that huge crowds are now demanding here in our country.
Well, as I said, ladies and gentlemen, I have been looking forward to this particular conversation with Mark Weber of IHR.org for at least a couple of weeks.
We've been putting it together now for about two weeks, but this is something that I think really needs to be discussed, and that is the cycles that history presents us with.
Historical cycles, the ebb and flow of radicalism versus whatever it is that we're up against now and traditionalism and so on and so forth.
We'll flesh that out over the course of this hour, but I think this is going to be a fascinating hour of radio.
Again, one that I have been really looking forward to because I think, I hope you will leave this hour with some hope instilled upon you, knowing that the change may not occur in our lifetimes.
It may not occur in our children or our grandchildren's lifetimes, but there is nothing new under the sun.
And the mistakes that America is currently making are mistakes that have been made before.
There will be a reckoning.
There will be a balance.
There will be a counterbalance to the way the pendulum is shifting right now.
Mark, do you believe that?
Do you believe that what we're seeing now, and I'll read something, we have some great content to dive into this hour, but the current trend cannot persist indefinitely into the future.
It has to swing back at some point, does it not?
Nothing ever remains static forever.
In one sense, there's no swinging back because the default of human society is a permanent one.
The very nature of all human, enduring, healthy human societies has been fundamentally hierarchical, not egalitarian.
The great challenge of every age is not to create equality across the board, but to make sure that those people who are in the elite, and we all want elites, people most obviously want elites when it comes to their sports.
They want their team to be the best.
We should have the very best.
We should have the best in our government, in our business life, economic life, and in our political life.
But the great challenge is to make sure that the people who hold political power are far-sighted, courageous, intelligent, aware, and not just pandering to the temporary whims of people at the time or only telling people what they want to hear.
Leaders have a responsibility.
Good leaders have a responsibility to do and say not just what people want to hear, but what's true and right.
Mark Weber, a radio pro.
We're coming up on the music, our first break of the hour.
Much more to come with the director of the Institute for Historical Review when we return in three minutes.
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Ladies and gentlemen, our featured guest this evening is a mainstay, Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review.
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Mark, of course, is an accomplished historian, a lecturer, a current affairs analyst, and author.
He was educated in the United States and Europe and holds a master's degree in modern European history.
And we are talking to him tonight, wouldn't you know it, about the history of past regimes who have embarked upon the ill-fated course that America now seems destined to trod.
But Mark, I want to read this to you very quickly, if I may.
It was written by a friend of mine this week, and I would like to read it.
It's just a couple of short paragraphs and then see if you agree or disagree and how it may apply to our conversation that we're having right now.
And this is what he writes.
All complex human societies go through short and long-term historical cycles and oscillate between integrative and disintegrative phases.
Periodically, complex societies go through these natural periods of radicalization and combustion.
This is also true of the United States.
There is no such thing as American exceptionalism in historical dynamics.
Why are there long periods of peace, moderation, and contentment, which are inevitably followed by nasty periods of war division, dissatisfaction, and strife?
Why do radicals suddenly begin to gain traction in some historical periods, but not in others?
Why is history punctuated by these periodic crises?
It never seems to have occurred to progressive liberals that this could be a natural process like plate tectonics.
In light of what we know about history, why on earth would the future be the eternal perpetuation of the present?
Are we to believe that the American empire will continue to dominate the world indefinitely?
Isn't it more likely that it will decline and collapse like all of its predecessors?
In light of all that has happened over the last six months, why should the world look to the United States, which has been convulsed by destructive riots?
We are clearly in decline, but we must have the decay before we can have the renewal.
Mark, your response?
Yes, well, his basic point is a valid one.
The laws of history, the laws of and the nature of human beings does not change over time.
But the question, I think, I mean, it's a valuable point he makes, but the question is, why do we have this decline now?
Why have some societies endured more or less stably for centuries?
There are records of societies that have endured for a long time without much change.
China, ancient Egypt, Roman Empire, in many ways, at least for a long time, it endured for centuries more or less as the same.
But America is a much more dynamic society, and the modern world is much more dynamic.
But there are several things that have to be kept in mind, and it goes counter to the prevailing wisdom.
One is the most stable, orderly, prosperous societies tend to be unitary.
They're cohesive.
They're characterized by a single ethnic or racial group, by a single religious idea.
They're unitary.
And the slogan that Bill Clinton proclaimed in one of his State of the Union addresses and has been proclaimed for years by the Anti-Defamation League, that diversity is a strength, is ludicrous.
It's historically untrue.
It's basically a lie because a group like the Anti-Defamation League doesn't believe that that slogan and that motto applies to Israel.
But it's crazy to think that a society that has six languages is stronger than a society with only one.
No, the most stable societies are like that.
But America is particularly subject to these problems today because it's divided in every possible way, religiously, ethnically, racially, and so forth.
And even basic understanding about very simple things is very hard to reach.
Basic agreement is very hard to reach when people have very different premises about even what the very identity of the society is or should be.
Now, the big basic point he makes, which is an important one, is that human nature does not change.
The laws of society, nature, and life don't change for America.
And this idea that America is just going to permanently be good and great because we're just great, a tautology, is stupid.
And that idea, that delusion, has been one that has been promoted by politicians of both parties for years to the detriment.
It means just putting off real grip, coming to grips with real problems that need to be dealt with.
Well, Mark, how much do you think that timing plays into everything?
I mean, you know, timing plays into meeting the person you marry.
Timing plays into historical aspects of historical nature as well.
I mean, as we know, what is right now was right yesterday and will be right tomorrow.
But again, it comes down to timing.
Again, if it's the person you mate with or leading a successful movement, timing is an essential recipe for that success.
The timing has to be just right.
I mean, here we are speaking these truths, but until society is ready to accept it, we are merely stoking the embers, which is still an important task.
But I think I understand where you're coming from, James.
The basic problem is that for 50, 60 years, Americans have been educated, trained, induced, persuaded to believe some basically false things about society.
They believe, well, there are fundamental beliefs that are just wrong, and they've been in place for a long time, and it's a wonder we haven't had even more problems more quickly.
Well, anyway, that's my short answer to that.
And, well, that's, yeah, that's my basically short response to that.
I mean, people don't want to hear difficult things because if we're right, it means that we have to rethink how we've been looking at how Americans have been looking at things for the last 40, 50 years, or 100 years, or even longer.
It means completely reassessing assumptions that have been in place for a long time, and that's very difficult for any society to do.
Well, Mark, just to add a little bit to that, and this is a continuation from what I'm reading actually from an article that Brad Griffin had posted at Occidental Dissent, which was, I think, quite good and timely in terms of the conversation that we're having tonight.
I found it this week, and oh, wow, this sort of parallels with what I'm going to be talking with Mark about.
But he continues, if you go back to any previous point in history, you will find that the status quo never persists indefinitely.
Eventually, the social mood always changes.
It's obvious that generational turnover is a key driver of this process.
Also, it's worth noting that every previous post-war era is also a pre-war era.
That is why I'm a happy warrior, he writes.
I don't despair.
Times are dark.
We face enormous challenges.
We have been pushed to the brink of collapse.
It is always dark at the end of an era.
How must it have felt during the depths of the crises as massive as the American Revolution, the Civil War, World War I, the Great Depression, or World War II?
If you think we have a bad now, what was it like to fight in the trenches of the Great War?
Darkness is what gives meaning to light.
Despair is what gives meaning to euphoria.
And I'd like to go back to what he said a moment ago in that reading is that the social mood always changes.
Is there something that we can find a little bit of hope in that fact, Mark?
Will the social mood one day change at some indeterminate point in the future?
Back to our way of thinking, the right way of thinking?
It's not just a pendulum that goes back and forth.
There are objective reasons why people think what they do and why things are the way they are.
Look, I'll go to one, just one point.
Why is it, well, okay, I'll put it another way.
Millions of Americans, especially Trump supporters, baby boomers, they keep wanting to have America the way it was back in the 1950s and 60s.
America was the number one economic, financial, military power unquestioned in the world in the years after the Second World War.
American economy was, well, it was the number one creditor nation in the world.
That began changing during the Reagan years when America changed it from being the number one creditor to the number one debtor nation in the world.
But America's prosperity in the 50s and the 60s and the 40s was not due to any sort of magic leadership.
It was due to the objective fact that the rest of the world had been destroyed basically in the Second World War.
Japan was destroyed.
China was destroyed and still in war.
Europe was destroyed.
Russia had been ruined by the war.
War, Americans talk about the difficulty of World War II, but they completely failed to understand that World War II for America was nothing compared to pursuing liberty, using the Constitution as our guide.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, a fascinating and riveting discussion with Mark Weber this evening, as it always is when Mark appears, and we have been very fortunate in calendar year 2020 with all of the negative and bad things that are happening.
Mark has been a more frequent guest, even than usual, and he is a very regular guest even in previous years, but even more so this year, much to our benefit.
I know that I'm not sounding as crisp and clear as I normally do.
I am out of town tonight, the last little family vacation I'll be able to take with my wife now seven months pregnant, expecting our third child.
And she's about to go on bed rest to ride the last couple of months out.
So we went on a little trip this week.
And so I'm called into the studio tonight rather than being in the studio.
But I know you're hearing every word, and the content is making up for us being at 90% instead of 100.
Mark Weber always is a guest that can make that happen.
Mark, I want to read one more thing.
Again, I know we're talking about historical cycles and things of that nature, along with, of course, everything else you're bringing to the table tonight.
But just to conclude this article from Brad Griffin, we've been breaking it up into three parts.
He writes, every civilization in the history of the world has gone through decadent periods.
Everything organic decays and dies, including human societies.
Generation is the loss of order.
The collapse of order clears away the rubbish of dying social orders.
It stimulates the demand for a new order, which leads to regeneration.
Regeneration leads back to a new cycle of growth.
And he takes a parenthetical departure talking about the so-called age of anti-racism, the zeitgeist of the entire post-World War II era being self-hatred.
And he concludes by putting out the opinion that the West is now suffering from exactly the opposite problem that it had during World War II when it was too fierce.
And he uses the word pendulum, which we've been discussing tonight.
The pendulum must swing back to a healthy balance and away from the extremes of so-called anti-racism.
We must regenerate our identity, our will, and our spirit and reconnect with our roots.
Again, Mark, again, without getting into whether history swings on a pendulum back and forth, must there be an end to this indeterminate course that we have chartered ourselves on to the hatred of whites, the hatred of traditionalism, the hatred of all of the things that we deem to be natural and healthy.
It has to end, whether it swings back or whatever, come what may, it will not continue this way forever.
Nothing in history ever does.
Right, right.
Yeah, look, I think I understand your point.
For seven years, communism was the prevailing ideology and the Soviet system was the prevailing power in Russia.
It emerged in the chaos of the First World War.
Soviets took power, and it fell apart in late 80s and early 1990, 91.
The whole thing collapsed.
And the Soviet Union, when it broke down, it broke down along national lines.
But Russians and Ukrainians or Estonians and Georgians and so forth had something to fall back on.
They had a long heritage before the Soviet period.
That's not comparable with the United States.
The United States doesn't have the same kind of identity going back centuries before the United States was founded.
This is a very different kind of country because it was founded by people with a very strong sense of individualism.
People migrated to the United States from Europe and from other countries, not because they wanted to build America or because they were especially loyal to the United States, but because it was beneficial to them and their families.
It was individually beneficial.
This individualism is a very big characteristic of American society and life, and it's basically a point that almost all Americans, whether they call themselves conservative or liberal, agree with.
And the trajectory of American history has been to emphasize ever more individual rights.
I mean, when the founding fathers set up the United States, there were many, many restrictions that got changed over a period of time.
Women got the right to vote.
Blacks got to vote.
Property qualifications were done away with.
Voting became more expanded.
Nowadays, both Republicans and Democrats believe that voting is a right, even a God-given right, you'll hear some people say.
No, because the trajectory of America has been in that direction based on all sorts of objective factors.
It's very difficult.
Any swinging back is going to be only after a great crash, a big change fundamentally.
I don't think the American state can even survive given the premises that even conservatives say they believe in.
They believe in individualism.
And you'll hear many, many conservatives, they will oppose the identity politics that's very much in place by saying, well, why can't we all just be individuals?
Well, no healthy, enduring society is just a collection of individuals.
It has to have something, cultural, racial, ethnic, religious, something to hold it together other than just what's in it for me, just what's good for me.
And now that worked for a long time in American society, not because America is wonderful, but because we were blessed with far greater opportunities and resources by geography and reality than any other society.
That's the basic fact of American life that made possible this huge expansion and development in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries that made it as prosperous and as powerful as it was compared to other countries.
But that's why Jefferson and John Adams, in their tremendous correspondence, saw that America would have maybe a century, maybe a century and a half of a good run before some hard realities would start to come into play.
And we're seeing that now in America.
All right, so, Mark, I guess, I mean, your oracle probably works as good as mine does, but where do we go from here?
I mean, looking forward, I think probably it gets worse before it gets better.
I do think it gets better.
I think it has to get better.
I think the one thing that we have on our side is truth and decency and reason and logic and science.
And I don't think that this, well, we'll talk about madness.
I just finished reading another book about the fall of the Roman Empire.
Sure.
And there's a lot of instructive things and parallels.
There are parallels to be drawn with that.
As the Roman Empire was falling apart, all sort of perceptive people could see the signs in the second, third century, and fourth century, especially fourth century, third century AD, that the Roman Empire was much weaker, much less internally cohesive and strong than it used to be.
And yet, even as it's falling apart, there were many, many people in the Roman Empire who said, all we have to do is believe in Rome even stronger.
There was a slogan, Rome eternal and unconquerable.
Eternal, unconquerable Rome.
And people believed it because for a long time it was true.
For a long time, Rome was this tremendous edifice, this tremendous thing in the world.
But even as it's falling apart, many people responded by just embracing even more slogans of the past without taking any real action that was required.
In fact, long past due, and it was too late by that time.
And America today, I see the statues coming down, of course, the mobs do it, the politicians respond to the mobs.
I see very few people out there fighting to keep them in place.
They themselves are out.
Well, they don't want to get hurt.
They don't want to risk anything themselves.
I mean, it's very hard to stop a mob that's in place, as it were, whereas in America today, when there's not much resistance to it.
There's not much fight back.
And in fact, many people who are very unhappy about the developments that are happening, well, they're just sort of hoping that somehow they can vote for somebody better or something will happen without any too difficult sacrifices on their part.
But that's not how history is.
People that don't fight for these symbols of their heritage, they'll lose it.
They'll lose it.
And they are losing it.
They've already have lost it.
We've allowed the situation to get so bad over the past 50 years, it's very hard to see how the, as you put it, the pendulum can swing back.
We're like a patient who 50 years ago, the doctor told him, you know, you've got cancer.
You've got to change your lifestyle and you've got to undergo surgery.
And the patient said, well, I feel fine.
I'm just going to ignore it.
Well, today we can't ignore it.
The cancer has spread.
And now it's starting to affect critical organs.
It's metastasized.
And what people are reacting to now is the spread of a cancer that was already in place quite a while ago and which people preferred to ignore.
Ladies and gentlemen, these are the discussions that they should be having on Fox News, on CNN, on MS. Well, of course, they'll never have it on those places.
But we are lucky and fortunate to be able to have these conversations here on the Liberty News Radio Network, on TBC.
Lucky to be able to have guests with the insight of Mark Weber.
And again, what we're going through, other societies have gone through.
That's the point of tonight's interview.
This is, it's new to us because our time on this temporal plane is so short.
But there are other parallels from which we can draw and learn from, and that's what we're trying to do this evening.
And we'll continue this conversation the next section.
Thank you.
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I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.
The press has created a rigged system.
They even want to try and rig the election.
Well, I tell you what, it helps in Ohio that we got Democrats in charge of the machines.
And poisoned the mind of so many of our voters.
At the polling booth, where so many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is all too common.
And then they say, oh, there's no voter fraud in our country.
I come from Chicago.
So, I want to be honest.
It's not as if it's just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past.
Sometimes Democrats have to.
You know, whenever people are in power, they have this tendency to try to tilt things in their direction.
There's no voter fraud.
You start whining before the game's even over.
Whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else.
And you don't have what it takes to be in this job.
Get on the show.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, one more segment with the incomparable Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review, ihr.org.
And I want to hit Mark with one more thing of historical relevance and then one thing that's happening more contemporarily.
But Mark, I read now an excerpt from a separate article which reads, the LA Times recently published an article with the title, White Tribalism is Under Assault from White People.
That's an amazing development.
That's the title of the article.
The person who is issuing the opinion here continues, it's unclear if the author or the editorial staff of the paper are being deliberately deceptive or if they are truly just clueless.
But the entire history of the West from the 18th century to today has been marked by a series of conflicts in which utopian whites have been at war with white traditionalists.
This has been the cause of the French Revolution, the American Civil War, the Russian Revolution, and World War II, just to name a few historical events of which the staff at the times should have been aware.
The perverted desire to revolt against the natural order, coupled with the natural genius of whites, has produced the most destructive force in human history.
The bloodiest revolutions and wars have been fought because white utopians desire to remake the world in their own image.
They have learned nothing from their past failures and are always ready to plunge the world into greater suffering.
We should keep this in mind when attempting to heal society.
Mark, do you think that that plays into anything that we're witnessing now, currently here in America with the riots and the insurrections and the lawlessness?
Well, I don't understand quite his point, but I mean, I guess he's trying to say that what?
I mean, first of all, white America for many years, at least since World War II, has insisted that whites don't represent whites.
White Americans, the European, represent European Americans.
They represent everybody.
This is a society for everybody.
This has been the dominant theme of American political life during and since World War II.
The United States was fighting the Second World War, it said, not for West civilization or for anything specific.
It was fighting it for a universal ideal, equality.
During the Second World War, America's political objective during the war, the president said, was a world in which there would never again be war, in which even want and fear would be abolished in the world.
I mean, this wasn't exactly what most white Americans or most Americans signed off for, but that was the proclaimed goal.
And anyway, I'm not quite sure what the author is.
No, I think you're actually hitting it on the head.
I mean, he's saying that the great deciders in history have been, it hasn't been the other versus us, or so-called.
It has been whites versus white.
I mean, you can look at it up in Portland, in your native stomping grounds up in Oregon.
I mean, Ted Wheeler, they're marching with the insurrectionists.
That would be, I guess.
Yeah, no, but I don't want to interrupt you, but we don't have much time.
But yes, that's true.
But they are marching for the fulfillment of the pledges that we've been told by even white conservatives we all are supposed to strive for.
Remember, it was even white conservatives.
It was Donald Reagan that made Martin Luther King Day a national holiday.
That's right.
You're right.
For 50 years that equality, not merely of opportunity, but even outcome, is a goal that we have to be fighting for.
And when young Americans are joining in the millions, at least hundreds of thousands, these demonstrations, they're demanding the fulfillment of pledges that have been in place for 50, 60 years.
Remember, it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who first introduced so-called affirmative action.
That is discrimination against whites because on the basis that whites collectively have this great guilt or legacy to overcome as a race in order to create this utopian equality.
This has been in place for a long time, so it's understandable that young people are asking for the fulfillment finally of the pledges that both Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals have said we're all supposed to be striving for.
Mark, you know, I sent you via email yesterday or the day before an article written by Gregory Hood for American Renaissance that I think also parallels our discussion tonight.
And you read it, I read it.
But one of the things that he mentions in that, well, he doesn't mention this exact book, but he mentions a book similar to this, which was written by Charles McKay.
And one of our listeners in the United Kingdom sent me, put me wise of this book some time ago.
And I think it goes a long way to breaking down what's happening right now.
The name of the book is Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
But yeah, go ahead, Mark.
Yes.
No, exactly right.
The basic point is we've seen this before, and this is a point I made at the beginning of the show.
All this has happened before.
Huge demands for a utopian and delusional equality.
The French Revolution, the cultural revolution in China in 1966 and 1976.
And he talks about the peasant uprising in the 16th century in Germany.
We've seen similar things also in England in the 1600s as well.
The so-called levelers or diggers demanding this kind of utopian equality.
That's not how society ever has, any enduring human society has been ever organized.
There's been no record of a successful, enduring, egalitarian society as people are now demanding.
But more to the point, more to the point is it's delusional, I think, to believe that a equality in outcome, in living standards and so forth, quality of life between whites and blacks can be achieved.
There's no record of that, even in societies that try very hard to create it.
That's the important thing.
I mean, the best example I can think of is that for 60 years, a dedicated egalitarian party has been in power in Cuba, where the population is about 20% black.
And it was dedicated to eliminate the racial gap in that country.
And that's a serious party.
One party, not a Republicans, not Democrats, not wishy-washy, and they've been unable to do it.
The gap is as great as it was 60, 50 years ago.
And in America, in spite of tremendous programs and policies that have been placed for 50, 60 years, study after study, including just a recent article in the New York Times, made the point that the gap in living standards and quality of life between whites and blacks is as great as it was in 1950.
I mean, only a fool, as they say, keeps digging in the hole when he's in a hole.
He's still digging.
And the demand of these crowds, of these crowds, is we've got to press on even more fervently, more energetically, for this goal of which there's no evidence that it's achievable.
American leaders have warned about this.
Thomas Jefferson said this in 1821.
He said, yeah, it's nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate that the blacks will be free one day.
That is slavery land.
But nothing is also more certainly written than that this race, blacks and whites, cannot live together on the basis of equality in the same society.
They always leave off that last part, don't they, Mark?
They leave off that level.
They leave off that.
But see, I mean, he's not the only one.
Abraham Lincoln said the same thing.
I mean, this has been, this is so obvious.
A study of history or reality should make that clear.
And in spite of the efforts for 50 years to try to create this equality, we're back at the level of 1950.
Now, no other goal is really presented or considered even tolerable.
The views of Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln are now called hate speech.
And all of our leaders, all of our leaders tell us there's no place in American society for hate.
Well, that means there's no, it's not hate to say what Thomas Jefferson said.
It's not hate to say what Abraham Lincoln said.
But that's how it's characterized in our society, which is another astonishingly arrogant thing to assume that we know the motives of people.
No, that's not true.
But there's almost no platform given to people even able to say basic truths and speak in terms of reality about American life and our day.
Such people shut up.
It goes back to Orwell, 1984.
I mean, the truth tellers are the ones who are maligned.
But yes, I mean, the whole thing about madness and the power of crowds.
I mean, that was another thing that Gregory Hood put forth in the Amrin piece, was that the crowd draws power from itself.
And he drew the parallels to the 1600s and the Salem witch trials.
Listen, I believe more that there would have been witches in the 1600s in Massachusetts than the whole equality thing and the whole thing that the blacks are oppressed and being murdered by racist police officers.
This whole thing they're trying to make us believe now is much more unbelievable in the age of affirmative action and set-asides and quotas.
Much more unbelievable than Salem Witch trials.
Yes.
Yeah, the bad thing is at the time of the Salem Witch trials, they're so remarkable precisely because they were so exceptional.
We live in a society, the equivalent of rich is a mass media telling us over and over, we've got to get the witches.
We have a mass media.
This message is hammered by Hollywood, by our politicians, by CNN constantly.
The witches are the so-called white supremacists who we are told are so entrenched, we don't even see them in power, but they're everywhere.
They're so powerful that their power is so great, we can't even identify them as individuals, but they're certainly there.
It's so ingrained and systemic, they tell us, that we have to be constantly on the alert.
You know, the hypocrisy of media is extraordinary.
They have these demonstrations in which people are violent, but they'll say the CNN will constantly, the media will constantly say a mostly peaceful demonstration.
Well, mostly peaceful.
Yeah, you could say that about the Charlottesville, but that's not the way the Charlottesville demonstration was presented by the media.
You know, the Babylon Bee.
I'm sorry, Mark.
I know we're about to run out of time, but the Babylon Bee, the satire site, said the orcs made a mostly peaceful protest at Minas Tirith, you know, from the Lord of the Ring movement when they try to destroy the entirety.
So we have the equivalent of lunatics not only temporarily their voices heard, it's hammered away in the mass media constantly.
Mark, I'll tell you, you've been on countless times on this program.
Countless more to come, I hope.
This has been one of the fastest appearances, the fastest hours we've ever had.