May 2, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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It's great to be back on with you.
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But thank you very much.
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Mark, you wrote a very interesting article for IHR a few weeks ago.
We haven't yet had the chance to cover it, but that's where you're coming on for tonight, in part.
The U.S. government's groundless, quote-unquote, terrorism designation of a little-known Russian group.
Could you please write down that story for us?
Well, it's an incident that's not a big headline maker.
It's relatively unimportant in itself, but it says something about America, about the Trump administration, and about priorities here in the United States.
There's a small group in Russia called the Russian Imperial Movement.
It doesn't have any large membership, but it's active.
It has a website.
It puts out a periodical.
And this little organization was just recently designated as a terrorist organization by the Trump administration, by the Secretary of State.
Now, the Trump administration has been criticized a lot because lots of organizations have been called terrorist organizations by the U.S. government.
But Pompeo and the State Department gave themselves a big pat on the back because this organization, they said, is especially important to designate this way because it's the first, what they call, white supremacist organization to be so-called, designated as a terrorist group.
And Now, it's not, again, the United States government throws around this label pretty loosely, but it was especially reckless, I think, and I think to any listener, pretty obviously groundless, as I say, to designate this particular group.
Now, this is, again, a small group.
It's a Christian group.
Their website, their interviews, and so forth, and you can find more about it on our article about that on our website.
It's very openly in favor of a Russian Orthodox Christian Russian state.
They want a restoration of the monarchy, like many people in other European countries have also been in favor, and they say they're a nationalist group.
They don't mention anything about race.
Europeans don't really talk in racial terms, whether it's in Russia or France, Germany, or whatever.
The nationalism is tied up with their racial consciousness, and the consciousness is not really racial.
It's a national one, and that's the way they are.
But Pompeo issued a formal statement, and the State Department issued a video by a State Department spokesman making a big deal about how they designated this group as a terrorist group and the first white supremacist group.
Well, anyone, again, I wasn't going to pay a lot of attention to it, but nobody else really seems to care about the stupidity and recklessness of this designation, so I wrote up something about it, and I gave some thought to the thing.
But in the statement designating it, Pompeo called this little group a terrorist group and says he's designating it because, and this is his words, this group that threatens the national security and foreign policy of the United States.
Well, on that basis alone, this is a groundless and even absurd designation.
This is a small group.
It's not considered an illegal or harmful group, even in Russia or by any other country in the world.
Only the United States of America has designated this group a terrorist group.
Well, that leads to the $64,000 question, Mark.
What of the totems of political correctness did these people violate to get on Pompeo's radar screen?
I mean, we can only speculate, but my own guess, probably, is that Ivanka or Jared Kushner or somebody on the staff of the White House was telling him, Mr. President, you know, you're called a white nationalist.
You're called all sorts of names.
So we've got to put somebody on the terrorism list of the supremacist group.
So we've got to find someone so you can say that you're also against those bad white supremacists.
And I can only imagine that Trump might have said, oh, sure, I'll be glad to do that.
Just give me a group.
Give me one and I'll put it on there.
And so they dug around and dug around and they weren't able to find any group in the United States.
They weren't able to find any group in Western Europe.
And they found this obscure little group in Russia.
Now, so this is, I suppose, why this obscure organization is elevated from obscurity to prominence to be designated this way.
But we don't know.
It's pretty absurd just on the face of it.
But it goes on.
Pompeo says that this organization, they do have a training class.
They provide, they have a gun club, and it says it provides paramilitary style training to neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and it plays a prominent role in trying to rally like-minded Europeans and Americans into a common front against their perceived enemies.
Well, yeah, it provides training to people, but it's open to the public.
It provides training to everybody.
Whatever.
They don't ask their political or ideological outlook when they have these clubs and they lift weights and they teach people how to shoot guns.
That's what all sorts of, that's what every gun club in the United States does.
That's what all organizations do.
And as for rallying like-minded people against perceived enemies, well, that's what every organization does.
That's what presidents of the United States do.
That's what the U.S. Army does.
That's what, I mean, that's what every great fighter throughout history of freedom and justice and so forth tries to do.
They try to rally like-minded people against perceived enemies.
But here we are.
Where's the white supremacism in all this, Mark?
Is this pro-Are they pro-czarist?
What's that?
Mark, hold on right there.
Mark, let me just say this.
You are nailing it, as you always do, which always justifies the repeat appearances.
Mark Weber of IHR.org, we are going to dive deeper into this one.
This is something that needs to have a few layers peeled off.
Great opening, salvo, Mark Weber.
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Well, we are back indeed, ladies and gentlemen, with one of our all-time favorite guests, a long-time friend of mine.
He's been appearing on this program for well over a decade, Mark Weber, director of the Institute for Historical Review, IHR.org.
When we brought Mark back on tonight, I said we would tackle a couple of different headlines.
But we'll see.
We'll see where the hour goes.
But I think there is enough here to really take a comprehensive and deep dive.
I know, Keith, you're chomping at the bit to get after it.
I've got a lot of follow-up questions, but my first take was exactly how Mark put it.
You know, when asking why this group, why this little-known Russian group?
And I think it's as simple as what Mark said.
They needed Trump to be able to say, hey, you know, I'm not a white supremacist.
Look, I would name this white supremacist group.
They're a terrorist group.
It's just, you know, it was a, have you ever seen the movie Wag the Dog?
It's a good movie.
It's an entertaining movie with Dustin Hoffman and Robert De Niro.
And it basically goes something like this.
They're trying to get the president out of a pickle.
And so they make up this whole story and they pick a standoff group that appears obscure or whatever.
Anyway, that's what's going on here.
Mark said it perfectly.
There's nothing I can add.
Keith, very quickly.
Well, what is it besides the fact that most of the members of this organization are white that makes them white supremacists?
Are they pro-Czarists?
Are they pro-Russian Orthodox?
I guess they sound like they're the Russian equivalent of the Kiwanis Club.
What is it that's triggering the monarchy?
Millions of Russians do.
You know, the Russian Orthodox Church has declared Tsar Nicholas II, who was murdered by the Bolsheviks after the First World War in Russia as a prisoner, as a martyr.
He's a martyr of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The vast majority of Russians have a deep regard for their heritage, and for centuries, their heritage was a monarchy.
I'm not in favor of monarchy.
That's not even an issue for us here, really, or for anybody I know of.
But it's important for Russians, and it's important for British, and it's important for Dutch, and it's important for the Danes.
Those countries all have monarchies.
So what?
They're called, the one excuse that was given was because two persons from Sweden who had gone to some attendant, this is a Pompeo's word, who had attended one of their sessions, later set off some bombs in Sweden.
They were arrested and they were tried and convicted in Sweden.
They had gone to this training there, and that was considered a reason to show how dangerous it was.
Well, of course, as the leader of the organization later explained, they didn't check.
They didn't have any idea what these people would do when they went back to Sweden.
They don't ask those kinds of questions.
And neither the Swedish government nor the Russian government said that the Russian imperial movement, this small organization, is somehow a terrorist group for having done that.
If being trained by an organization and then going and doing something criminal is a reason to characterize the organization as criminal, well, you could characterize the U.S. Army that way.
All sorts of people who've been trained by the U.S., criminals who have carried out criminal actions may have done so being trained in the U.S. Army.
But nobody would say that the U.S. Army is responsible for that.
A more specific case is the Israeli military trained an American named Baruch Goldstein who in 1994 carried out a mass killing of worshipers at a mosque in Israel.
And he was killed in the attack.
And he apparently got his training for doing that in the Israeli army.
But it would be quite a stretch then to say, although a more plausible one, to say, well, therefore, the Israeli army should be designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization.
But see, this is, and of course, none of these groups in Russia or so forth, they talk about supremacy.
There's not, as the leader of the organization said, there's nothing, absolutely nothing on their website or in any other publications about race.
They don't think in those terms.
Well, I think I have an idea, though, now.
I'm beginning to see something here.
Tsarist Russia was a trigger for one group of people, Jews, okay?
They loved Russia when it was the Soviet Union, but they hated the Tsar, and they hated Tsarist Russia.
In fact, that's why the communists, which was a Jewish invention, came into being to depose the Tsar.
So if they're pro-Tsar, that may be triggering some Jewish people in the Trump administration, like Jared and Ivanka, and they're finding a way to link them up with other bogey men in the kind of Jewish understanding of Russia.
So, you know, I've picked up on that recently, that basically the Tsar and Tsarist Russia were, you know, the ultimate evil or the consummate evil for Jews, probably because of pogroms and things like this in the 19th century.
And if these people are pro-czarist, then that's something they think they can hang on to possibly.
I don't know.
It's really kind of a bizarre.
If admiring the Russian, Tsar Nicholas II and the Russian monarchy is somehow reprehensible, well, then the Russian Orthodox Church should be prescribed and denigrated in the same way.
Putin himself, all Russians.
Well, they do not like Putin.
There's no doubt about that.
Yeah, they don't like him either.
Well, they don't like any country which is going to put their own heritage, their own identity ahead of that of, in other words, any other country that has a Russia first or China first or French first policy is one the United States doesn't like.
There's only one exception to that rule, of course, and that is Israel.
Israel openly declares that it's a state for the interests and the heritage of one particular people, a Jewish people.
That's considered all right in the United States of America.
But that same principle is denounced as supremacism and all sorts of other bad names when it's carried out by any other people in any other nation.
But anyway, I don't want to get in the larger point.
My bigger point is this is a very dangerous thing because if merely providing training or openness in athletics or in guns to people who are quote a white supremacist is somehow bad, well then the logic of that is that those principles should be applied here in the United States.
And that means, I suppose, that some sort of law should be passed to making every gun club, every training organization, and even the U.S. Army should not open its doors to people who are designated that way.
Now, that's absurd.
Not just, obviously, here in the United States of America.
But on that basis, George Washington would not qualify for any kind of place.
See that's the other part, too.
Any heritage group, like a Southern heritage group or a founding fathers group that venerated them.
See, they do not like that.
In fact, I dare say, it was a two-fold thing that they thought that they would be giving Trump some insulation on.
And I agree again with Mark's assessment in the first segment of this hour as to why this group, why now.
It gives Trump a record of saying, hey, we put whites on this terrorist list too, even though as absurd as it is.
And it also insulates him from the charges that he has colluded with Russia and Russia is his big ally, and as they should be, frankly, they certainly should be a great ally of this country.
But now he has gone to battle against a Russian group.
You see, a Russian extremist group.
He's not pro-Russian.
He is, you know.
And, of course, that fits right in with Jewish power and influence today in America because they do not like the present manifestation of Russia, which is not communist.
Which actually goes back to the re-embrace of orthodoxy and some of the faith-based matters that this group— and, again, I hadn't heard of this group until this had happened and until reading Mark's great article about it at IHR.org.
Well, we've had a lot of correspondence already this hour from members, if you can believe it, of the Russian Orthodox Church.
And we'll share that with Mark when we come back.
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Well, this is really a fascinating discovery with Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review, always a favorite guest of ours, longtime friend, ihr.org.
But the title of his article, the U.S. Government's Groundless Terrorism Designation of a Little Known Russian Group.
And we've been talking about our hypothesis as to what the reason may have been.
And I think that hypothesis will stand up to scrutiny.
But Mark, you mentioned it in passing before, and it's a question that must be asked again.
What was the Russian government's reaction to this group itself?
Probably next to nothing.
A spokesman for the Russian government was asked about this after the State Department issued its designation.
And he says, well, we don't know much about the group.
It's a legal group, and we're looking into it.
But that was the end of it.
I mean, it's as if a small group in, I don't know, any part of the United States suddenly was elevated to prominence because China had designated it a terrorist organization.
Okay, that's a great analogy.
They'd scratch their head and wonder, well, how did this happen?
What's going on here?
Look, the organization's been around, as the leader pointed out afterwards in an interview that appeared in the London Telegraph, everything they do is legal.
All their activities are entirely legal.
Yeah, they train people.
They have marches.
They give help to charitable organizations.
They have religious services.
Everything they do is entirely legal.
And if it's legal in Russia, well, you can imagine it's not going to be, the government there isn't going to regard it as harmful to the public good.
Otherwise, they would have done something about it.
But an organization that not even it's it's actually they they're critical of Putin and and the Russian government now because they don't believe it's sufficiently pro-Christian and monarchist.
That's the difference they have.
But the point is, if not even in Sweden or Russia or Poland or any other country, this small organization is considered any kind of threat, for the United States government to declare it's a threat to the national security of the U.S. is absurd.
And this is a bigger point.
Absurd.
The readiness, the ease with which our leaders make statements that are just palpably, obviously untrue, and nobody really cares.
We've just become so used to our leaders making these kinds of statements and nobody seems to care.
But this has consequences over the long run.
For one thing, it reduces the credibility of our leaders, and that's illustrated by numerous polls that show unprecedented levels increasing over the last 10, 20 years of distrust in our political leaders, in our Congress, in our media.
That's a trend that's been going on in the United States for some time.
And this is just one more example of the ease with which our political leaders and our government make statements that are just palpably untrue.
Mark, hold on right there if you don't mind, my friend.
We actually have a caller right now who has called in, who is a member of the Russian Orthodox Church, who may be able to provide, if I'm not mistaken, some insight on this group in question.
Caller, take it away.
Hi, James.
How you doing?
It's great.
I'm doing great.
Great to hear from you.
I'm vaguely acquainted with the Russian imperial movement.
And they, Mark's right, they're a perfectly legal group in Russia.
So their outlook is basically just a traditional Orthodox Christian worldview.
I mean, that's all it is.
But the world hates traditional Christianity, and especially Orthodoxy is in their crosshairs as the only church pretty much, especially the Russian church, standing up to globalist ambitions, internationalist ambitions.
So obviously, judging from your accent, you're a member of the Russian Orthodox Church abroad.
You're an American.
Yes, yes.
Yes.
But you are vaguely.
Well, the Russian church abroad, ironically, as you're talking about czarists, we were the czar's church.
I mean, we were the church that went into exile when the Bolsheviks took over.
And we are the pro-white Russian church.
We are the monarchist church.
And that's what they don't like.
It certainly sounds like you're following God's commandments to keep your quiver full because I hear a baby in the background.
Well, am I right, man?
Basically, there seems to be this.
It does seem to be A theme that I have detected in American foreign policy and in, you know, the Jewish segment of the American population that somehow everything associated with czarist Russia pre-revolutionary,
pre-Bolshevik revolution Russia is bad, and that would include the Russian Orthodox Church, and everything associated with post-Bolshevik revolution Russia up until the fall of the Soviet Union is good, like that movie from the mid-60s, the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming that basically mocked Americans that were anti-Russian in the 60s because then Russia was being run by the Bolshevik communists.
All right, hold on right there, Keith, and caller.
Caller, if you, obviously, Mark Weber, our featured guest, I know you called in to share some of your insight and association with him.
What would you like Mark to know?
And then we'll toss it back to him.
Oh, what would I like Mark to know?
Yes.
Well, he pretty much, he already pretty much hit the nail on the head.
The reason why he hit the nail on the head that they're a legal group in Russia.
They're legitimate.
Like, so they're not illegal in Russia, so why are we calling them terrorists?
And that they're czarists.
And he's also right about how Europeans see race.
A Russian's a Russian.
Like, they know what a Russian is, right?
Like, white, you know, our terms for race is because that's a new world thing, you know, because people from all different nationalities came here.
And, you know, so you had to designate it a little different.
But they're getting called white supremacists.
I mean, they're just Russian.
I mean, they're Russians that have a Russian identity.
And so I guess that makes them like a lot of people.
Of course I identify with them.
Absolutely.
And if I'm not mistaken, you do have, at least you are in contact or know some of the members of this particular organization?
Well, yeah, I was familiar with a few of them on social media.
Like they invited, you know, they used to have big, what they would call national conservative conferences in Europe and stuff where they would try to get, you know, people from all around the world to go to these things.
Non-whites, too.
I mean, that's the funny part.
Like, I think there was a – They're nationalists.
I think they even invited like – They're nationalists.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, I got it.
Yeah.
Yeah, different kinds of nationalists from everywhere.
Well, nationalists, conservatives.
And, I mean, all of us.
Basically, all right.
Thank you so much for the call.
I want to toss it back to Mark now before we come up on this next break.
And then, of course, Mark will be with us for the next segment.
But thank you so much for your testimony for calling in and saying, hey, I know some of these people, and they're all right guys.
Mark, that's a testimony from one of our listeners who seems to be familiar with the organization.
Your reaction to what you just heard.
Well, yeah, I don't want to get into details, but after the Bolsheviks took over, the Russian Orthodox Church was very brutally suppressed.
And Orthodox Russians around the world formed the Russian Orthodox Church abroad, which kept alive the flame, you might say, of traditional Russian Orthodox Christianity for decades and for during the whole Soviet period.
The Russian Orthodox Church abroad, before the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia itself, was the first to declare Nicholas II a martyr.
He wasn't killed just because he was a leader of Russia.
He was also killed because he was a Christian leader.
This is something that Russians and people around the world who take their religion and their nationality seriously understand.
And the way in which a kind of ideological self-righteousness has taken hold in this country is just one more example of the kind of arrogance that is expressed in this designation by Pompeo.
You know, it was Russian, it was the czarist Russia that was supporter of the United States and had been.
It was on good terms with the United States for years.
The only first atheist government in the world, first atheist regime, was the Soviet Union.
And the Soviet Union was the first government to come to power in the modern world that openly said the only leaders had to be atheists.
And that was, during World War II, America's number one military ally, Stalinist Soviet Russia.
And those people who, like Pompeo and so forth, their interpretation of American history is World War II was the good war.
That was the great high point of American righteousness.
And we should always see that as the model.
Well, it was a complete distortion of American traditional values because we were allied with a very repressive, expansionist government led by the determined to stamp out religion everywhere in the world.
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I have done a lot of radio over the course of the last 16 years on this broadcast.
And it's always great to welcome Mark Weber to the AM Airwaves.
And this has been a very fascinating hour.
This is interesting of what we're talking about tonight.
Mark, I've got a couple of follow-up questions for you, but very, very quickly before I get to the first, IHR.org, obviously the Institute for Historical Review.
Tell us about your work there, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and how people can support that work.
Well, of course, our work is overwhelmingly supported by donations from people around the world, but especially here in the United States who appreciate what we do.
It's a big struggle.
It's educational.
And because it's educational, it doesn't make headlines very often in the same way that a political organization will or one that's involved in day-to-day things.
But I believe very strongly that if we're going to have a future, we have to have a very solid and realistic understanding of the past.
And there's enormous distortion of history and especially of American history here in the United States here in our country.
As you know, we get accused of rewriting history and that they say we're changing the way people look at things.
But the biggest revision of history that's taking place is taking place right here in the United States in our lifetimes.
We've seen Americans who have been honored and revered for many, many years, now considered terrible people.
And any nation that has that kind of contempt for its own ancestors and its own history is doomed.
And I think that's absolutely essential that those people who are leaders in the future, if we're going to have a future, are people with a solid understanding of our history and world history and realize that we cannot have a future unless we have a firm understanding of the past as well.
Well, Keith Alexander, my co-host, the esteemed attorney, was shaking his head during the last commercial break and said, basically, now it's gotten to the point where our government is designating as a terrorist group anyone who waxes nostalgic about pre-Bolshevik Russia, which I thought was a great way to sort of put an exclamation point on the entire conversation we've had thus far this hour, Mark.
But let's talk about the ramifications.
I mean, so many of us have been labeled quote-unquote hate groups, so-called hate groups by these left-wing, truly hate groups.
I mean, that is the irony in that.
The people who call us that are actually that themselves.
But would there be any ramifications That could stem from the United States government now being officially on the record as designating this, for lack of a better term, this white organization, a terrorist group.
Could that trickle down to those of us here in the States?
Or is this just total political?
The bigger problem is that this is only one example of a tendency in America to judge every nation, every leader, in terms of their ideology and whether it conforms to the prevailing ideology here in America.
This is very arrogant.
It's dangerous.
It means that the American presidents and the American people for most of the history of this country held views and thoughts which today are considered not merely wrong-headed, but even evil.
Everything is seen through the prism of political correctness now.
Well, political correctness, and people use it in different ways.
It's an absolutely arrogant way of looking at the past.
It assumes that we've got it right.
We figured it out.
We're smarter than our parents and our grandparents and our ancestors.
In all healthy societies, people have a high regard, even a reverence for ancestors.
That's true of all healthy societies.
I mean, this was the view of the ancient Greeks.
Confucius laid this out.
It's true of all healthy societies.
And it's been replaced by a self-important view that, well, we're right and all those other people were just not as smart and as good and as insightful as we are.
That is just a tremendous arrogance.
In fact, they were downright evil.
That's right.
And we're better.
We're not only smarter, we're better than all those other people.
That is very, very dangerous.
And that attitude in the world is one of the reasons why the United States increasingly has looked upon with fear, with contempt, because of this, the way that this ideology has taken hold, of which this designation by Pompeo of this little group in Russia is just one war manifestation.
Mark, Mr. Jackman Spirit.
Mark, I've got a question that just came in from Sam Dixon for you.
Now, Sam Dixon was over in Russia a couple of years ago, and if I do say so myself, one of the most fun, enlightening, entertaining shows I've done over the course of the last couple of years was a two-part series we had with Sam that documented his trip to Russia.
I believe it was the 100th anniversary of the murder of Tsar Nicholas, and they had this great ⁇ it was really a celebration is what it was of Russia coming back together, and it was led by the patriarch.
And anyway, Sam was over there.
It was a fascinating listen to hear Sam break down his observances on that particular trip.
But he asked a question that would have escaped me otherwise.
Why has Trump not declared Antifa a terrorist organization?
That's also a very good question.
I think he's afraid of designating, of course, any group here in the United States as a terrorist group because this would start to become a legal case.
There would be lawsuits.
And the United States government would be forced to put up or shut up here in the United States.
But yes, Antifa is undeniably a terrorist, a violent, illegal, it carries out illegal activities, but it's tolerated in the United States by the people that have power, especially in cities like Portland, Oregon, my hometown, where its activities have been criminal but tolerated because the assumption is, well, their intentions are good.
They don't like the guys we like.
And so they tolerate them, and they're also afraid of pushing the button on this.
But yeah, that deserves to be really hammered and dealt with in the same way we would.
But our leaders are afraid to do that.
But that's typical of the United States.
Well, the thing is, I think they're secretly on the side of Antifa.
Well, at least there are people in the Trump administration and certainly in governments like in Charlottesville, Virginia, and the state of Virginia that do actually admire secretly or even not so secretly the politics and principles of a group like Antifa.
Well, it's a great question.
If you're going to start throwing around these labels willy-nilly, then certainly there's one right here in the United States that undoubtedly has a great chance to be added if you're being serious, which, of course, there's no evidence thereof.
But, Mark, I said we would have you on tonight to talk about a myriad of topics, a lot of different headlines, but this one has just been a real deep dive, and we're now at the bottom of the hour, just three minutes remaining.
Share with us any thoughts that you have that we have not yet covered that you'd like to express to the audience.
Well, I'm always sort of tongue-tied when you ask that question.
Yeah, every time I ask it.
Yeah, I mean, this designation, of course, is absurd in its face, but this is part of a larger problem.
And it's not just, of course, the important thing is it's not just confined to one political party.
This runs like a core throughout our whole political process.
Both of our, the leaders of both of our parties, continually say things like this that are untrue.
They know they're untrue.
They're lies.
And these have terrible consequences.
And there's many, many examples of that, especially in foreign policy, where we send troops off to kill or take over other countries or act in a way.
All that's not only illegal, but it's justified on the basis of pretexts that just don't stand up.
The American public doesn't have the same intimate interest in foreign affairs as it does things here at home.
And that's unfortunate because the consequences in terms of billions and hundreds of billions of dollars wasted and squandered and lives of young Americans killed and the lives, of course, of many, many others in these countries that are killed, those have terrible consequences.
But nobody's held accountable.
George W. Bush, by any objective standard, lied to the American public as the administration to justify a terrible war.
And he just plays golf as life goes on.
Nobody's held accountable.
That's a very strong indictment of our system.
Mark Weber, always great to have you.
And what a great privilege it is to have a question presented to you from the great Sam Dixon who's listening tonight.
And Sam, a longtime friend, one of my best, in fact, always good to have good people come together.
And I guess that's why the SPLC called us the nexus of radio hate.
We just have all of these hate-filled people.
Well, talk about a hate group or, you know, if the SPLC doesn't qualify, the whole concept is totally meaningful.
Well, it's all tongue-in-cheek.
You have to have a laugh about some of the things that are said about one.
But at the end of the day, we have the very best that I've ever met on this program, the very best that America has to offer.
I certainly include Sam Dixon and Mark Weber.
And, of course, I'm very pleased with our staff here as well.
Yours truly and Keith Alexander.
And anyway, Mark, it's great to have you back.
Always good.
We look forward to the next time already.
If it's not too soon.
Thank you very much, James and Keith.
Great being on with you, and all the best.
All right.
Good to see you, my friend.
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We had the Confederate History Month series in April.
We had the March Around the World tour in March with guests like Nick Griffin and Zelchko Glaznovich, this Croatian former Major General, now a member of parliament there in Croatia.
It was a great series.
We've just had what a great year of radio.
Speaking of Sam Dixon, he was on for our very first show of the year back in January.